/ck/ - Food & Cooking

a good diet if you like getting kidney stones and spending time on reddit

>>10133846

I'd recommend eating a bullet.

>>10133846
Be prepared to feel like dogshit for a week straight anon.
And everyone recommending fucking weird baked goods that's 50% almond flour.
Not worth it.

I find it's a good diet. Just hard to hit your macro ratios sometimes. Don't be dissuaded by the meme stance /ck/ has taken on keto.

>>10134106

>taking on a meme stance to a meme diet

What did he mean by this?

Diabetic here, don't do it. it's designed for us, and it's pure shit. Just cut down your carbs to 1-2 bread items a day and you'll be fine. Cutting out carbs entirely will have ill effects on a body so used to them. My mom went on a keto diet several years ago and kept it up for 4 months solid. She decided to have a sandwich one night and the next morning she was running a 608 BS and in urgent care. Don't do it.

>>10134027
10/10

>>10134147
There aren't actually blood sugar spikes when stopping keto. They just return to normal. Granted, if you're diabetic, that might happen.

>>10133846
meme diet for memers

>>10134195
>if it's popular it's bad
Must be tiring being a hipster.

>>10133846
it's great just don't go full keto cold turkey. Start limiting the amount of carbs gradually, starting with no more pastry shit. Then after a week start limiting your toast/bread/potato intake. Feel like making a sandwich? Use a small loaf instead of a bun, eventually cut that loaf down to half. Continue as you feel comfortable, you should see weight loss as soon as week 3.

>>10134027
Why would Keto give you kidney stones?

>>10134200
small loaf = small slice of a loaf of bread

>>10134200
This is a good idea if you feel like you can't give things up easily. Weight loss can actually happen within days of starting though, in the form of water weight. After that, it'll slow down a lot and you'll see slight drops every so often. Don't expect instant results.

>>10134208
Not him, but it's not uncommon if you aren't careful. Just get your electrolytes and you'll avoid 98% of the negative effects of keto.

>>10134200
Why even bother with keto? Just stick with half a sandwich of 1/4th cup of pasta in a salad if you want to lose weight. Cutting it out entirely is pointless if you just limit it and keep it limited.

>already talking about his diet before he even does it

Ketoniggers are worse than vegans

>>10134273
Because grains and carbs from grains are fucking terrible for you

>>10133846
>going Keto
bad move.

>>10134273
Because keto forces your body into ketosis, and helps burn fat even faster than it would just eating with a calorie deficit.

For ketosis, you need to eat no more than 20 net carbs. You also need to keep protein at a moderate level to avoid gluconeogenisis, which kicks your body out of ketosis. For me, that's the hardest part of keto. I find it easier to get protein than fat.

>>10134279
Except they aren't. Over-abundance of grains is. A sandwich a day isnt going to make you fat when controlled and proper wheat bread is used. Not to mention Semolina's Glycemic index is among the best out there.

>>10134290
>and helps burn fat even faster than it would just eating with a calorie deficit.
And what exactly is the rush again? Are you 300 pounds and have to somehow regain your honor and image? You're literally putting your body through undue stress and pain just to shave a few pounds faster? You're going to pay for that later in life when your body starts quiting on you out of abuse. Just enjoy yourself and take your time man.

>>10134290
Sounds like it would be terrible for someone who lives an active life, who need carbs for high intensity training/activity and protein for recovery.

Pass.

Fun fact: Toothpaste may have carbs. Or it may not. I dunno. Just some random shit that I thought of right now.

>>10134290
why not supplement with protein shake?

>>10134294
Wrong

>>10134310
> he doesn't wanna be lean as possible
Not everyone enjoys being a fat fuck. I've never felt better since doing keto. I'm about 7 months in. Mg energy is better, skin is better.

>>10134320
First week is hard but I'm totally used to it and I've been able to make gains at the gym.

>>10134320
i did keto and p90x at the same time. yes, there were times i felt tired, but it got me fit.

also
>eating toothpaste
ishiggydiggy

>>10134330
Nothing wrong about it. You're just ignorant and probably got roped into the ketosis meme out of desperation. Might as well tried weight watchers.

>>10134330
>If you're not lean you're fat
Go away /fit/ nobody cares.about you meatheads

>>10134310
Why do you assume there's suffering? People on keto eat tremendously well when done right. It's the people who do it wrong who you see piling cheese on top of cheese on top of bacon and smearing butter on it for every meal.

Keto isn't for long term anyways. Regardless, doctors recommend it and there are countless success stories on it, so it can't be too bad. Granted, health issues could arise later on as a result of the strain you're putting on your body.

I personally just used keto to get to a weight where working out wasn't going to literally give me a heart attack.

>>10134357
>Granted, health issues could arise later on as a result of the strain you're putting on your body.


There is no granted. It's going to happen. The body will not take that kind of starvation and abuse lightly. Whether its now or 20 years, you're going to destroy yourself on keto. Doctors recommend it because its trendy, and has positive results NOW. Give it ten years and watch all the patients sue doctors for ruining their lives, and everybody blaming keto for their health issues in 2030

>>10134365
>starvation
Please research keto before assuming shit. You aren't starving yourself at all. Also, it's been around since the 1920's. Started off for epilepsy, gained traction for weight loss.

Try telling someone that the path to better health starts with eliminating your intake of fruits and vegetables with a straight face.

>>10134451
>eliminating vegetables
You can still have most vegetables on keto, dipshit.

>>10134290
>20 net carbs

Literally one apple. Yet you guys have no problem with cooking your food in butter. What a fucking meme diet.

>is my meme diet a good diet ?

Fact : no diet is a good diet.

>>10133846
My girlfriend went full keto and I’ve been eating the same since I do all the cooking. It hasn’t been hard for me to adhere to, but I was already cutting back on carbs in general. I feel fine and I’ve been losing weight. I’ve found good substitutes for most of what I usually cook.

>>10134200
I tried this when I started keto 2 years ago. If anything I just had carb cravings all the time until I went all in. I would just start with buying some low carb wraps and shirataki noodles and using them to replace carbs when you're starting out and have massive cravings.

>>10134273
The energy boost you get from keto is insane, especially if you're the type of person who feels lethargic all the time. I wasn't overweight when I started keto, I just wanted to shave off 15 pounds and become a little leaner. 4 months into keto I realized I didn't feel tired 24/7 anymore. I also started pooping regularly for the first time ever--before that I used to poop once a week. Eventually ended up dropping 30 lbs with no exercise.

>>10134090
This, don't fall for all the weird fake-carb recipes its always;
A) Disgusting
B) Specific and expensive ingredients
C) Just makes you miss carby shit all the more
Its much better to just get used to not eating carbs, and eventually you will enjoy the filling sensation from fat and protein over carbs. Those cookbooks by Maria Emmerick are pretty tasty and varied dishes as long as you ignore the desserts. Full-fat coconut milk has changed my fucking life.

>>10134351
Nothing wrong if you enjoy joint and gut inflammation. The exhausting feeling of digesting carbs and wanting to nap. Yea I'll pass. Keep pretending carbs and bread are good tho.

> keto is bad because it's trendy from many people realizing it's the superior way to eat and I'm angry I don't have the will power to stop eating tendies and French fries all day
Literally every fat fuck sperg itt bitching about dieting and health

>>10135586
>keto is good because the internet says so even though there's zero proof it's good for you

>>10135612
There are droves of doctors who have dedicated their lives to studying nutritional science you dense fuck. I think they would know over your dumbass

Keto is probably going in the right direction, grains and fruits are good, but nobody needs any processed flour. Hamburger bun, tendies breading, meatloaf insert, burrito wrap, white or even wheat bread, it's all just savory flavored simple sugars. ditto rice and deep fried potato. There's definitely a happy medium, but 90% of the carbs you eat in a day are just very slightly longer chains of glucose than white sugar. Carbs have their place, but when you remove them from your diet you can adjust to a lifestyle where your carbs carry actual nutritional value along with them, not in bread or breading.

I'm not going keto because if I don't eat carbs in the morning, it takes until the afternoon for my energy to come to me and I am already finished with classes. So I will keep my drugs of choice, caffeine and sugar, thank you very much.

OP might want to try google instead of /ck/.

>>10134027
Do you even know how kidney stones are created? Retard.

>>10134147
>designed for diabetics
bullshit, it was designed for epileptics. diabetics get xenomorph acid blood when they do keto because their digestion process is fubar.

>>10133846
look into Filipino food anon

>>10135636
what about home-made breads?

>>10134027
lmao

Keto seems to work for a lot of people but it made me tired as fuck, like i literally could not make it through the day without nodding off. And I really didn't notice a difference in weight loss on keto vs regular CICO. I lost 4 lbs of water weight on the first week and stalled for the next 6 weeks.

>>10134486
Bullshit anon. I could eat a pound of bacon on keto but not a pound of broccoli. Missing my veggies is part of the reason why I gave it up.

>>10135710
This may be true but diabetics have a diet similar to keto. Mind you, it is similar in the fact that is low carb. I personally eat under 60 net carbs a day and have for years. And to that piss baby that's bitching about eating an apple on keto. Suck a fucking dick. Moderation is better than dieting. To OP, if you want to loose weight do it slowly. Change your habits and "food in reach". Be safe and good luck.

On it for 1.5months so far, works for me I guess.

Lost 8-9 kilo so far. Not feeling as hungry.

>>10135880
What the fuck are you talking about. The keto diet is literally fats, veggies, and meat

>>10135880
Yeah, you can't eat a pound of broccoli. But you can have two or three cups like a normal, functioning adult who can control themselves around food.

You need to include /deenz/ into your diet, my niggrar.

>>10135995
This. Just be careful about your protein intake if you do. I include a can during lunch.

Ever since I went into keto-acidosis i've been eating a lot less food in general. My portions have gone from a large saucer of 3 meats/grains/dairy + 8oz cup of drink, To A small salad saucer of 1-2 meat/veggies/grains + 4oz cup of drink

Yet, I fel far more satisfied and fiilled with that little portion, over the big ones I used to make, which never made me feel full. Its a weird feeling, but I like it. Means i sped less a month in groceries too. My ingreident budget went from $180 to $100 just for the month alone.

>>10136020
>keto-acidosis
Ketosis and ketoacidosis are not the same thing.

>>10136036
I never said they were. I just said I recently got out from it. It is however a reason I will not do keto. because that state fucking sucked and 0 carb means 0 crunching for my insulin, which is outright deadly for me.

>>10135990
>2 or 3 cups

Which weighs approximately one pound you fucking dolt.

>>10136078
>8 cups to a lb
What did he mean by this?

>>10135923
Yeah but way more fat than veggies which I was not cool with. Having to ration normal amounts of vegetables was ridiculous to me.

>>10136083
You are literally retarded. Cups=volume. Pound=weight.

>>10136089
>cups = metric of sound
>pound = metric of weight
What DID he mean by this..???

>>10134027
Keto has been popular on 4chan for a very very long time. Maybe it proves how new you are here.

>>10136074
If you have diabetes type 1, you probably shouldn't yeah. Although you can do a mild version of it at like 50-60 net carbs instead of 20. Seems to me that's what you're doing.

>>10136078
I actually came to that by measuring three cups of broccoli and weighing it. Doesn't come to 1lb. Three cups comes to around 17.4 g carbs. I'd say that's about as much as you should get on a standard keto diet. Though people have gone up to 25-30, so you could probably do two more cups and be fine.

>>10136111
Well i'm being treated as type 1 but I haven't recieved my A1C results yet, so we don't know for sure. Weirdly enough though, is i've been getting lower every morning, I was 61 this morning after my Lantus, which leads me to believe my body may very well be producing minimal amounts at the very least.

If this diet works it sounds perfect for me because I dont really like bread and so forth anyhow. What is the most red pilled website or guide to it? Also it seems like alcohol is the biggest problem with this. I drink at least twice a week and it will kill my social life if I dont. Is booze a big no no with this?

>>10136147
You can actually drink a ton of things. Beer, liqueurs, and I think some wines are not okay on keto. Depending on the brand, Vodka, Tequila, Gin, Whiskey, Rum, Scotch, Brandy, and Cognac are all totally fine.

>>10135990
how does eating a pound of broccoli mean you can't control yourself around food

>>10136164
>how does eating a ton of food mean you can't control yourself around food

>>10136168
I like to roast a big pan of broccoli & carrots for dinner sometimes, so what

>>10134451
I just ate a cup of spinach and have plenty of carbs to spare. You're deluded.

I was reading up on this diet. Seems interesting. However I’m the type to eat whatever the fuck i want so I’ll stick to simply limiting carbs.

>>10136260
At least do intermittent fasting if you're gonna do that.

>>10136242
you know a cup of spinach is literally not even a whole serving of veggies and you're supposed to have 5 servings a day?

>>10135724
If you buy white all-purpose flour from the store, it's the same as what they use in sliced, bagged breads. Even the 'wheat' variety will have the bran and germ removed, be stripped of a lot of the oils, and be enriched with vitamins to make it just a brown-flavored white flour, with a little more protein IIRC. Even ultra seedy bread will have nutritive grains in a glorified cake. Think of cereals as steak cubes, and bread as meatloaf... with much less meat.

>>10136302
Plenty of carbs meaning I could have five more if I really want.

>>10136302
>supposed to
Yeah, sure. Keep telling yourself that fatty. Multivitamins exist, and you get all the fiber you need on keto.

>>10133846
It's an okay diet, but it's far easier to just go Mediterranean/pescetarian
Keto is really for weight-lifters and epileptics, just like gluten free is for celiacs

>>10134136
Exactly what it says on the tin.

I'm eating low carb and while I dont believe that I'm in ketosis its alright.

I can eat something fatty/protein heavy early in the morning and I wont get mega hunger cravings by the time my work is over like with higher carb stuff.

>>10136494
>eat more vegetables
>"shut up fatty"

yeah you're not a complete fucking retard or anything

>>10136560
Unless you're a vegan, or eating soley vegetables for several meals, you don't need five fucking servings to be healthy.

>>10136566
You're right, eating nothing but fatty meat drowned in butter and eggs fried in bacon grease is the way to go.

>>10136575
You're doing keto way wrong if you think that's what the diet entails.

>>10136578
>5% vegetables is an acceptable diet

This is your brain on keto. Eating avocado & chicken with some kale thrown in every day is acceptable but if you think the average ketoer eats like that then you're fucking stupid.

>ITT: Alcoholics and smokers chastise the health habits of other people

>>10136605
>5% of kcal is the same of 5% of the amount of food
Yeah m8, 1kg of butter has as much kcal in it as 1kg of cabbage.

>>10136605
I never said the average ketoer eats like that. I said they're doing it wrong if they aren't. Keto isn't about eating bacon and spoonfuls of butter. It's high fat, moderate protein, and low carb. 75% fat, 20% protein, 5% carbs. How you get those is up to you, but there is still a wrong way and a right way to do it. Common sense dictates that you don't shovel butter onto your pan with eight strips of bacon and call it a meal. It has to be balanced. You need some semblance of balance.

>>10136619
Not sure if that's right. Fat has 9 calories per gram. Carbs and protein have 4 calories per gram.

>tfw been trying to do keto, but don't know how to incorporate vegetables without crashing into carbs.

I want to eat onion, avocado, and spinach, but I feel so lost as to how much I can actually consume. I don't want to keep eating just eggs, turkey, and cheese.

>>10136632
I'm pointing out his retarded reasoning.
On top of that most green veggies arent heavy on carbs in the first place AND they're filled with fiber which reduces the amount of carbs further.

You can fill up your plate with green shit really hard when you're on keto.

>>10136645
get a food scale. know how many carbs are in 100g, 500g and 1kg.

>>10134027
newfag

>>10136646
Oh, yeah. Forgot about that.

Carbs on keto means net carbs. So carbs minus dietary fiber. Also minus certain sugar substitutes, like erythritol.

>>10136645
Try MyFitnessPal and scan before you buy. It's helped my a lot, even when off keto. For chopped spinach, 1 cup is 2 net carbs. A small Hass avocado (200g, with skin and pit) has 1 net carb. One large onion is 11 net carbs, so probably avoid those.

whats so bad about carbs

>>10136690
Nothing inherently. Sugars and such are bad, of course. But carbs are completely fine. It's just that on keto, the goal is to enter ketosis. For that, you need to have a low carb diet.

>>10136690
They make some people crave more

>>10136651
I can measure and/or weigh my foods. The thing that's frustrating is allocating enough of the vegetables I want to eat without consuming too many carbs. It's not like all the eggs, cheese, and meats don't have some carbohydrates too, which further restricts how many vegetables I can eat without capping out on carbs. There's a guacamole dip in my fridge that is in the process of going bad, and I don't know if I can eat it without chumming up in carbs. I prefer whole avocados to dip too, and that can have a lot of carbs as well:

https://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/usda/avocados

>17.5g of carbs in one whole avocado.

So that's 8.75g in a half portion of avocado, if I only eat one half. Maybe I can try to fit it in to the diet, but foods like that make it difficult. I really like crunchy peanut butter, but that's not really an option on keto either, it seems.

>>10136670
I don't see how an avocado has that little amount of carbohydrates in it. Everything else I'm seeing shows them as having multiple times that much, even for small portions.

In regards to MFP, I just downloaded after years of disregarding it, and the UI is really clunky. I've been able to remember perfectly everything I eat for years, but I just need something decent to look up nutritional data with.

http://badges.myfitnesspal.com/nutrition-facts-calories/hass-avocado

So many entries for the same thing. It's going to make me blow my brains out looking for all of my foods like this.

>>10136729
That's why you use the scan function while at the grocery store. It's on the mobile app. Easiest thing in the world.

Also, you're probably not taking into account dietary fiber. http://badges.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/168762614

>>10136745
>>10136729
He isn't. The one he listed has 13.5g of df, so it's only 4 net carbs.
Total Carbohydrate 17.15g 6%
Dietary Fiber 13.5g 54%

What exactly is the point of losing weight for ketosis? I'm seeing people who are like 160-170lbs going OHMYGOD, I CAN LOSE 50 LBS IN 2 MONTHS!, Isn't that a BAD thing? I get it if you're over 200lbs, or higher, and you want to get your life back on track, but whats with all the actual healthy people wanting to starve themselves to anorexia? If you're over 20 and around 150-170 lbs you're perfectly fine. No human being should be under 100 lbs and alive at your age and weight.

>>10136745
>>10136755
>The one he listed has 13.5g of df, so it's only 4 net carbs.
I wasn't even aware that the whole concept was centered around net carbs; subtractions by the dietary fiber. I can't believe I've been trying to eat under unadjusted carb values. My mind is blown right now, holy shit.

I'm going to dig into that guac dip later tonight with my eggs. I'm very grateful for this information. It's really going to help me-- thank you both.

>>10136792
In america they don't substract the fiber. In Germany as an example they do.

Avocado is low carb super high fat

Wait wait wait...

Whats a NET carb? I thought it was by grams, Isn't it only 20g of carb a day?

>>10136801
This wasn't even mentioned in ANY guides or videos I looked into before starting keto. I never knew about it because I never paid much attention to carbs so much as having a high protein, cholesterol, and saturated fat intake.

>>10136820
I just looked it up, and had my mind blown. You might have the same reaction:

Dietary fiber - carbohydrates = remainder carb value. It's a gram for gram subtraction, from what I've read. So if something has 2g of fiber and 5g of carbs, the net carb value is 3g. That's my understanding, at least.

>>10136820
"Net carbohydrates are what you’re left with after subtracting the grams of fiber per serving from the total carbohydrate amount per serving. For example, if an item has 20 grams of carbohydrates and it contains 8 grams of fiber, then the amount of net carbs the item contains is 12 grams."

Things like erythritol are also subtracted.

>>10136835
These are decent sites to look on if you're interested in learning more.
https://www.perfectketo.com/guide/ultimate-start-guide-ketogenic-diet/
https://www.ruled.me/guide-keto-diet

Use ruled.me's keto calculator to determine your needs if you have not already. You don't necessarily have to, but it calculates based off you rather than a generalization.
https://www.ruled.me/keto-calculator/

It can seem like a lot of work, but really that's just the setup. The rest is literally just making sure your ratios are fine.

>>10136858
Thanks for the links, Anon. I've gone ahead and bookmarked them all. Used the calculator to determine my needs too. This is just swell.

>>10136922
Damn son, you must be a huge fatass if that's what you need to eat.

To lose weight I assume.

>>10136928
Not particularly, no. I weigh 160~lb or less at 5'9". Chose a 10% deficit.

>>10136922
Just don't try to put those into MyFitnessPal or anything. Unless you have premium it dicks you into percentages. Not necessarily a bad thing, but carb goals end up never being set where you need them. Usually like 4 above. If you do end up using it, just eyeball the totals. Also use this if using MFP. It adds net carbs and all sorts of stuff https://github.com/Surye/mfp-keto-userscript

>Muh carbs.
>Muh grains.
Literally any moderate diet will work as long as you stick to it

>>10137001
>I only read that keto is low carb and have no idea what that means aside from no grains or carbs

>>10136952
That's a nice script, thank you. Does this look correct to you? This is the page:

http://badges.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/640690213

>>10137032
Yeah, that looks about right.

>>10136690
Nothing at all. Your brain runs on carbs, keto is just glorified calorie restriction.

>>10137032
That should be right, but I'm not entirely sure. I know the script adds to the diary page, and it theoretically affects nutrition pages too.

>>10137046
>I have no idea how ketosis or ketone bodies work

>>10136840
keep in mind that you only do this if you're in the states.
I think most other countries list the net carbs on the label.

>>10136928
2000kcal a day is average for a healthy ~80kg male.

>>10136074
>>10136111
What are you guys talking about? I'm a type 1, and have been in dietary ketosis for years. My A1c is excellent. I use 30% less insulin than I used to. You just have to very carefully lower your basal dosage in stages until you arrive at your true basal dose sans carbohydrates. If you have to abort the mission from hypoglycemia you can just start over again based on your logs. The level of control I have now even surpasses insulin pumps, yet I don't really even have to measure my food. It's fucking rad sailing at 70 mg/dL all day. If you're inexperienced at this, talk to your endo.

>>10137062
>I use dumbfuck fitness vloggers as my nutritional sources

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16685046

>>10136690
I don't think there's anything wrong with complex carbs for most people. The problem is most people eat highly refined carbohydrates like sugars, flours and hulled grains. This robs them of their nutrients. Even when fortified with vitamins during processing, the lack of naturally occurring dietary fiber causes metabolic fuckery like type 2 diabetes, possibly Alzheimer's in old age, and most likely is the cause of most modern heart disease. We are making the carbs bad on an industrial level. All this processed food is utter shit.

>>10137109
Wow, one study that looks at one specific thing. You must know everything about nutrition.

The one thing I miss the most about keto is bread, there are some keto bread alternatives but they all look pretty garbage, I can't imagine it tasting any good. Anyone tried to make their own keto bread or what do anons use as an alternative for bread ?

I like the diet because it's easy to maintain. All I'm eating is meat and veg with cheese. Peanut butter once in a while for cravings.

First 3 months I did it I lost 50lbs, now I'm a month and a half into a 4 month stretch, down 15lbs and looking to lose another 30. Avocados are life, so is metamucil.

I've been suffering from diarrhea ever since I went for low carb high fat/protein.
what could be the case?

>>10137229
fathead is pretty good, add different seasonings to it, whatever you're in the mood for
other recipes i've tried are shit, and all of them are easy to fuck up

>>10137229
I think a lot of people use almond bread. However, you should be getting 400-600 carbs in roughly twice a month on keto (if you are trying to lose weight). Rye, sourdough, and 9-grain are good for those days.

>>10137282
Either not enough fat and too much protein or could be the keto flu.

>>10134320
The opposite is actually true. People with fat-adapted bodies use their carbs more efficiently. There are studies on this I could link. Plus, your body turns fat into glucose.

>>10137282
How much fiber are you getting?

>>10137353
I usually add some cabbage to my food. maybe I should add more.

>>10137365
Yeah that's not anywhere near enough. You should get 20-30 g a day and you're probably getting 5 g or less. Try avocado

>Diet X
>"Eat less carbs"
>Diet Y
>"Eat less carbs"
>Diet Z
>"Eat less carbs"

How long until someone notices Asparthame is super destructive for your health? It's like a saving grace for eating sweet shit without getting much carbs.

You know, instead of carbs (4 kcal/g) you could be cutting fat (9 kcal/g) and that would let you it healthier and more.

>>10137340
Yes, that's why all the endurance athletes go low carb oh wait

>>10137464
That is entirely not the point. CICO is not the goal of a ketogenic diet. It's the forcing of your body into ketosis.

is Greek yogurt fine for keto? (making tzatziki)

>>10137483
Many of the really hardcore guys that do those 100 mile foot races do keto. Muscles only store so much glycogen. Ketosis is where you want to be in a real endurance test where you don't have trainers handing your candy ass gummy bears.

>>10137717
Glancing at it, it's 9 net carbs for 1 cup. Tzatziki sauce it looks like is 1 carb for 2 tbsp. So just be careful and you'll be fine.

Can't be of any more help personally. I never use it.

>>10133846
fucking just eat vegetables, a steak every once in a while, eggs, rice, beans, and fruit.
it's not magic.
fuck keto, just eat healthy. if you don't know what healthy eating is, kys or read a goddamn book. there are zillions of recipes, meal plans, etc. that will not put you on some meme jew diet
keto is good for people with health issues, like neurological disorders, it's not a great idea for normie faggots that are otherwise healthy or just want to lose weight. 90% of people will do this diet wrong anyway. low carbs/high fat, duh pass the fucking butter and sour cream, bitches
please seek christ and just dont fall for bullshit

>>10137785
You're a really angry person. Why is it then whenever something becomes popular, you people have to come out of the woodwork and attack it baselessly? If it was so bad, doctors wouldn't be recommending it and it wouldn't be immensely popular. We would also be seeing 98 years worth of reports about it not being okay.

>>10137739
>Many of the really hardcore guys that do those 100 mile foot races do keto

Name 4.

>>10137659
And what good is this ketosis on its own?
If you're replenishing your fat stores (eating fat tends to do that) faster than you deplete them, you will still gain weight. The only saving there is on the inefficiency of gluconeogenesis to feed your brain.

>>10137483
What does that have to do with anything that I said?

Most athletes use a low-carb diets.

That picture has no value.

>>10137838
Name 4.

>>10137807
>>10137857
I do keto when I'm nutting in your mother, fatty.
Ben Greenfield, Lebron James, Miesha Tate, Mark Munoz, Chris Froome.
http://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/s0026-0495(15)00334-0/abstract
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151117091234.htm
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17461391.2014.959564

>>10137823
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/the-fat-fueled-brain-unnatural-or-advantageous/
Not a great source, but at this point I am too lazy to skim through scholarly sources. I can if you really want me to.

>>10137862
>During races like the Tour de France or hard training sessions, he will of course go back to a higher proportion of carbs in his diet to top off his glycogen reserves and perform at his best

Ok.

>>10137880
That's why I included four others, hotshot.

>keto is muh carbs

stop being normies screaming about nothing.

Read this:
https://www.ruled.me/ketosis-ketones-and-how-it-works/

https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1550-2783-1-2-7

>recalculated my macros because I've started lifting and actively exercising
It's the last value that actually has me worried. Isn't keto supposed to have MODERATE protein? Wouldn't this cause gluconeogenesis and throw me out of keto?

>>10137977
Yes it will, you want probably no more than 50% of your fat as protein

>>10138052
Do you mean calories? If so, I think I can actually get away with those macros considering fat has more calories per gram. Didn't realize that before.

>>10133846
Are you heavily overweight or have specific diseases keto helps against? Then yes. Otherwise no.

>>10137977
Yes Keto is actually rather low in protein, usually not more than 20% calories. Otherwise it will kick you out of ketosis.

>>10137977
>>10138133
Carbs are a limit, protein (especially if you're lifting) is a goal, and fat is how you fill out most of your calories.

>>10137857
dean karnazes
Apolo Ohno
David Zabriske
Grant Hill
and basically every mma fighter.

Make a point maybe.

>>10138161
You literally can't eat high protein and be in ketosis god dammit. Both posts you quoted tell you about the machanism, gluconeogenesis.

>>10138176
I am aware of gluconeogenesis. It depends on your activity level, sorry if I wasn't clear. If you sit on your ass all day and eat 200g of protein it will turn out poorly for you. If you're lifting, and do not eat enough protein, your lifting will not do much for you aside from burn more energy.

>>10138182
I mean keto and lifting for muscle growth inherently do not work well together for more than just that reason. What's the thought process there? If you want to exercise carbs literally are your best friend and keto limits your protein intake.

>>10138198
https://www.ruled.me/mythbusting-training-on-keto-diet/

>>10138198
I don't see how keto would stop you from building muscle. If your body is fat adapted then it uses ketones and stored fat for energy. You don't need carbs to have a great workout. It all comes to calories for energy. Unless I'm missing your point, I think you're fine building muscle on a keto diet.

>>10138198
Lifting for gains and staying in ketosis helps preserve your lean muscle mass. Just because you're eating a lot of fat doesn't mean your body won't turn to lean tissue for energy, even if you ARE in ketosis at the time. And I've personally found that while in ketosis my recovery times are shorter.

>>10137785
Has science gone to far? I guess so if it's a meme and all.

>>10138210
>>10138228
>>10138234
Fuck I wrote a huge post with 1100 words and then accidentally close the thread. Too lazy to write everything again, the site has extremely weak sources, few and very old studies and their own site says that you shouldn't overconsume protein because it kicks you out of ketosis. It's plain wrong to call it a "relatively high protein diet", only compared to a vegan diet or so.

The point is that you are depriving your body of it's primary energy source for explosive exercices (which is like 90% of lifting since you need the stress to build muscles). A diet limiting carbohydrate and protein intake is the worst combination for muscle growth.

Give it a try, maybe you can strive on it but there is an inherent conflict.

>>10137205
Waiting for your peer-reviewed source that is tested for replicability before being published. until then, stop claiming your meme diet has any advantage.

>>10138354
If your body is fat adapted, then you don't need to use carbs for energy. Ketosis allows you to maintain a constant energy level throughout the day with fats. Typically, the ideal time to workout is in the evening and to have your carbs right before. Since your body is fat-adapted it uses glycogen more efficiently, and you don't fatigue like you do on a non-low carb diet. There's also research on fasting for 24 hours, which helps get you back into ketosis fast, and allows for more HGH production at the end. I don't think limiting carbs hurts your gains, and you really don't need much protein to gain muscle. A protein shake will do you fine.

>>10138491
Look, when you make a point and cite something, usually they have to be relevant to each other. You just stated that your brain runs on carbs and then cite something which has to do with low carb vs keto. What's your point? Keto has it's benefits just like any other diet. It's not just simply eating at a caloric deficit.

>>10133846
Zucchini fries (fried in olive oil with paprika, cumin, thyme, and black pepper) with hummus.

>>10134027
you need to go back

>>10134203
>>10135706
One of the four common types of kidney stones is protein-based. Which has nothing to do with whether someone eating a keto diet would develop them, but I guess some retarded vegans feel the need to lie about it to scare people away from eating meat.

>>10134147
> She decided to have a sandwich one night and the next morning she was running a 608 BS and in urgent care. Don't do it.
Bullshit, unless the sandwich was like picrelated.

>>10135710
>diabetics get xenomorph acid blood when they do keto
Only Type 1's, and only if they let their blood glucose level get way out of whack. For Type 2's and Type 1's, the diet makes it easier to keep their blood glucose under control.

>>10135880
>I could eat a pound of bacon on keto but not a pound of broccoli.
Hey guess what, you're wrong. Broccoli has 4.4g of digestible carbohydrates per 100g. There are 454g in a pound. If you'd bothered to do the math, you would find that that means 1lb of broccoli contains 19.976g (approx) of carbohydrates. Which is below your daily limit. So you actually can eat a pound of broccoli, you just can't eat an entire bag of Doritos plus a gallon of chocolate ice cream while on the diet, which is what you're really after you stupid fat fuck.

>>10139060
Yeah broccoli isn't usually a culprit when it comes to the numbers not working. Granted, good luck eating a pound of broccoli every day. Fastest I ever went was a pound every three days.

Keto made me do it.

>>10138568
According to this study guys get big on keto. Gain lean mass and lose fat. Hard to say no.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12077732

>>10133846

Everyone's health is unique and you have to figure out what shit works for you.

For me, Atkins/keto whatever the fuck you want to call it works. This is the only way I can eat at this point.

I do 2 eggs with bacon every morning usually in bacon fat (or butter), and grilled chicken with vegetables and butter for lunch. Dinner varies. Before when I ate like a horse I'd easily cram 4,000 calories a day, now I get about 1,200 in and am completely satisfied.

I haven't tried any of that almond flour shit.

I've had about a dozen people at work stop me and tell me I've lost a shit load of weight (only 6 weeks in), and proceed to ask me how I did it.

>Feels good man.zip

i can do under 100 carbs and still lose weight fast

>>10139925
I think on most diets, if done right, you can get big. I just like the advantages keto gives you for losing fat.

>>10133846
Keto Connect has great stuff. I ate their keto "pancakes" this morning and they're delicious

>>10134658
>before that I used to poop once a week
WHAT THE FUCK DUDE?

>>10140008
I guess when people ask about your weight loss your answer is "I started eating 1200cals a day instead of 4000", since the keto bullshit has little to do with it

>>10141307
>I have no idea what I am talking about
Keto controls cravings. You aren't eating less or just taking in less calories. You're filling yourself on fat and ketosis naturally controls cravings and makes you feel fuller longer.

>Keto is just starving yourself!
Also fuck you if you comment on my fucked up eggs. There was a cat that distracted me.

>mfw Camembert all day

>>10141740
Very good macros. Might have to look into that for strength training. Seems slightly expensive though.
>$13.98/Per pound

>>10141763
pretty expensive. over here its 6€ per kg if I use offbrand (which is perfectly fine).

>>10134290
>helps burn fat even faster
You have to source information like that, bucko. It doesn't "burn fat faster", it just begins using fat as energy. But guess what? You'd have to go through the fat you've eaten through the day to begin burning the fat in your rotund, fat heap you call a stomach. A similar mechanism to someone who eats carbs in a caloric deficit.
tldr; you're dumb

Say I start eating a hardcore keto diet starting tomorrow.

How long until I get into ketosis?

>>10136690
Spikes your insulin and halts the process of your body burning fat

>>10141935
Can happen anywhere from a day to a week later. You'll probably see water weight drop like a sucker punched whore within the first two days, and then it'll take a few more days to kick into the full effect.

>>10134325
if you ingest too much protein compared to fat then your body converts protein to glucose instead of fat

>>10141935
2-3 days. Don't forget to use a little more salt than usual and drink 3-4 liters of water every day. The fast track to dietary ketosis is fasting for 24 hours, followed by the standard 20g daily carb limit. The first time you do this, you may feel sick for a few days. This is fairly typical and can be mitigated with increased salt and water intake. It takes a few weeks to be fully metabolically adapted to using ketones for energy. During this period you may have more difficulty doing intense physical activity. Most people feel great after fully committing to it for a while. Good luck!

>>10141967
>>10141935
DO NOT FORGET TO GET ELECTROLYTES.

Be this from those drops you can get at the store, gummies, or some other way. You NEED your electrolytes or you will get the keto flu regardless of what you do.

>>10141984
Right, so eat a handful of salted nuts, a piece of cheese, a piece of dark chocolate or some avocado along with your fat, protein and green vegetables. It's not difficult. I do understand that a lot of people doing this for weight loss had horrible diets and don't know how to eat nutritious foods outside of vitamin-fortified processed crap, but it's really easy if you sit down and plan it out for a couple hours.

>>10142092
Yeah, but some people don't eat balanced and buy into the meme that you just eat bacon and steak all day. Just want to make sure people are getting them somehow, and know to get them, so they don't come back (like a lot of people) and scream about getting sick.

>>10138491
Not him, but here's one with some serious vigor. Tl;dr: The ketogenic diet's TDEE effect is under 100cal/day

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4962163/#!po=45.0893

I like it because it seems more rigorous than most studies done by nutrition scientists. A lot of studies like this have problems with people not cheating.

"We aimed to avoid this difficulty by confining study volunteers to metabolic wards where they consumed, under supervision, a 4-wk run-in high-carbohydrate baseline diet (BD) followed by an isocaloric low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet (KD) for another 4 wk."

Results:
"The weight-adjusted EEchamberwas 88 ± 13 kcal/d greater during the KD period than during the BD period (Table 2;P< 0.0001). Adjusting the EEchamberdata for body composition changes resulted in the KD period having 96 ± 12 kcal/d greater expenditure than the BD period (Table 2;P< 0.0001)."

Which is within the range of error they establish at 150kcal/d.

In my opinion, I find it really challenging to maintain isocaloric intake when on keto. I end up eating a lot of foods that are more filling and manage to do more with less calories than I would eating carb-rich foods. It's more about not dealing with the hunger pangs throughout my day than just losing some weight. When I started I was over 250lbs and really didnt bother budgeting anything so a super simplified model of counting to 20 worked well for me.

>>10142252
Under 100kcal*
Phoneposting at its best.

>>10142252
Studies have problems with people cheating*
I just finished reading unrelated material for 4 hours, kinda tired.

>>10142252
Aw jeez, they didnt specify if it's net carb and used a ratio of <2% cal/day from carb rather than a hardcap of 20g/day based on some software. Wonder if that's a major source of error...

Veganism for right wing retards

>>10142238
So what are these electrolyte vitamins/gummies? They have potassium and calcium? You ever use them?

>>10143101
I tend to use drops. Two drops in the morning, two drops at night. They're available at most markets next to the water, or in the supplement sections. I use Mio Electrolytes, but there are obviously other brands.

You could also go with gummies, pills, etc. Only thing to worry about is the calorie and carb content in gummies and drinks (like Gatorade).

As far as I know it's just B vitamins, potassium and sodium in what I use. I should probably look into supplementing magnesium and calcium, but as far as I know I get those just fine from my diet.

I was on a meat/greens diet, but I'm pretty sure my protein intake is much higher than my fat intake. What are some good fatty foods to eat so that I can eat less protein. I've tried avocados, but the texture just isn't palatable for me.

>>10143194
Spinach, avocado, pumpkin seeds, cheese and dark chocolate (and meats) are how I do my vitamins and shit. Sodium is a non-issue. I'm still alive after years of this. Kinda curious though. I'll go look for those thingers next time I go shopping.

I've had great success in the past doing Keto (losing ~22lbs in 3 months) and I'm doing it again right now to get in shape for the summer
I'm not really overweight (155lbs @ 5"8) but due to wide hips and all my fat accumulating there I look like a childbearing woman at the moment. I only look decent naked if I'm skinny
I don't think it's magic or anything. After all it's just eating less than you burn. But I love pasta etc. just so much that I overeat. So it's easier to skip carbs entirely than to moderate myself
The lazy way works for me, e.g. don't count any calories, just skip the carbs. I also like to fast most of the day. On weekends, I cheat and eat like a pig

>>10143195
Are you smooshing your avocados? This makes the texture even worse. I like to make a simple salad with them. I coarsely dice them, drizzle some olive oil on it, squeeze some lime juice, throw a little salt on there, and fresh cracked black pepper.

If you select fattier sources of protein like eggs, cheese and fattier cuts of meat it balances itself. Think chicken thighs or pork belly. You can always just eat less protein and balance the ratios by adding more fats. Butter, olive oil, bacon fat, sour cream, etc.

>>10143222
I've been afraid of chocolate on keto. Most of the stuff available where I shop is just carbs on carbs. I do almonds, cheese, and spinach a lot. I eat a lot of fish, chicken and beef as well. Been trying to get avocados in my diet, but every time I shop they're all hard as a rock or way too soft. Sodium is a definite non-issue.

I really need to look into pumpkin seeds, different cheeses, and different types of nuts. My diet is really awkward at the moment.

>>10143267
>I look like a childbearing woman at the moment
This isn't terrible if you're a woman. It is somewhat unfortunate if you are a man.

>>10143195
>avocados
I hate raw avocados.
But make a nice guacemole out of it and I'll smoke that shit
This is my favourite recipe (he's got a newer version too but I prefer this variant)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPJiI7ByMe4

>>10143302
>It is somewhat unfortunate if you are a man
I know :| fucking genetics

>>10143273
I usually have 3 eggs with some cheese and 2 slices of bacon for breakfast, then I usually don't eat lunch, and I have about 6oz chicken breasts with a cup of spinach and cup of broccoli for dinner. I might snack on nuts through out the day. Breakfast is fine, but dinner is killing me. I'm guessing I should switch to thighs since it's fattier, but I'll feel like shit when I wake up. I've been trying to eat more beef.

>>10133846
>I am going Keto tomorrow.
>Is this a good diet?
I am getting this tattoo tomorrow. Is this a good design?

>>10143318
A bit too spiky, and a bit too blue. Round him out and make it red. That is the way to do it.

>>10143325
Like this?

>>10143295
Oh, yeah, pumpkin seeds have a crazy good nutritional profile. For chocolate I do 80-90% cacao. It's nice with a cup of coffee. For avocados, you just gotta buy the unripe ones and wait 3 or 4 days. The Hass variety is the only one easy to find here, but they come in large and small. For a few weeks I was sampling the two sizes by weighing the whole fruits, then weighing each fruit's skin and pit. The smaller ones turned out to be 25-33% less expensive. Shh.

>>10143315
Wait, why will chicken thighs make you feel like shit? Chicken legs are good, too. Don't forget about fatty fish like salmon. Why beef? What cuts are left that aren't retardedly overpriced? Cheeks? Shanks?

>>10143414
I haven't tried thighs, the breasts make me feel like fish. Just trying to add some beef to mix it up a bit, not a fan of fish.

>>10143423
>I haven't tried thighs
Sounds like an opportunity to buy whole chickens and learn how to roast them. It's an essential cooking skill.

>>10137340
>fat-adapted bodies use their carbs more efficiently
One would think the whole "low/no-fat"-diet and products have actually been designed to make/keep people fat!

>>10143471
I totally forgot about that. The sugar industry pushed to point blame on fat, and then people reaped the profits of low-fat shit.

>>10134365
Holy fuck dude how delusional are you? You just cutting out carbs, you're not snorting cyanide

>>10143480
Low/no-fat folks are probably the most brainwashed to their pov too.
I've had better luck talking to fucking vegans of all people about why their diet is shit compared to just being an omnivore and maintaining portion control than with these faggots who blindly believe whatever some (((studies))) said a few decades ago is true.

>>10141307

Actually this is my fault I see you're retarded I should've wrote this in crayon.

When I was hammering carbs, 4k calories a day was no problem. Since switching to keto my appetite has been suppressed so much I don't even think about food much. Today I had about 1,000 calories and am totally satisfied and feel great. Work 12 hours and then hit the gym and then went food shopping, no fatigue.

>>10133846
Make sure you utilize olive and coconut oil. And what little carbs you eat are the ones high in fiber ie berries, other fruits, almonds, etc

>>10137862
hahahahahhah if you genuinely think chris froome is even remotely doing keto at any point ever you are a fucking retard and have been taken round the bend

>mfw someone invented a diet to give retards atherosclerosis

fucking BASED

>>10140008
>dr. atkins had a history of heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension. died obese at 72

damn really makes you THINK?

classic

What happened to simply having a balanced diet?

>>10134027
>kidney stones and spending time on reddit

this is the truth no one wants to admit

>>10144991
he says with reddit spacing

>>10141295
Yeah, as of 4 months ago, my doctor suspects that I might have had an un-diagnosed gluten intolerance my whole life. Makes sense, since I cut out pasta, bread, and a lot of other gluten carbs once I went keto. The other explanation for the increased pooping is that my fiber intake has increased but I doubt that's the case since nearly 50% of my pre-keto diet was leafy green veg already.

>>10144991
feel free to explain how you get kidney stones on keto

>>10144995
who the fuck cares nigger

>>10145040
>caring so hard he took the time to look up an image to post

>>10144802
>dr. atkins had a history of heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension. died obese at 72
>damn really makes you THINK?
No he didn't. He died from slipping on a patch of ice, falling, and hitting his head on the sidewalk. His heart problems were caused by a viral infection that damaged his heart muscle. This is well-documented, you lying vegan sack of shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Atkins_(nutritionist)
> Dr. Fratellone treated Dr. Atkins from 1999 until 2002, and also worked with the doctor at the Atkins Center. He says Atkins suffered from cardiomyopathy, a chronic heart weakness. But this condition, he says, was caused by a virus – not his diet: "I was his attending cardiologist at that time. And I made the statement… When we did his angiogram, I mean, the doctor who performed it, said it's pristine for someone that eats his kind of diet… Pristine, meaning these are very clean arteries. I didn't want people to think that his diet caused his heart muscle – it was definitely a documented viral infection."[12]

>>10134027

>>10145037
Mine cleared up. Actually, a kidney stone was what caused me to go in to the hospital, triggering a long chain of shit that ended up with me going on keto and fixing most of my health problems.

Thanks, keto, I love you.

>>10145521
Same. I had a kidney stone about ten years ago. I have been on a ketogenic diet for years, yet it has not reccured. There's something to be said about a diet in which drinking more water is a priority I suppose.

>>10143194
I went to the grocery store and looked at the whole section of those flavored water drop supplement things. I could not find any that contained potassium or calcium, so there goes 2 out of 3 of the main electrolytes for those things. Most of them featured B12, however. Good to know, but not useful for me. The Wikipedia page on B12 states that type 2 diabetics who take Metformin are often deficient in B12, so that's probably a good solution for those people. Next time I go shopping I'll look at the main vitamins section to see what has potassium and calcium. I'm still a proponent of getting my electrolytes and vitamins from dark green vegetables, avocados, nuts/seeds, cheese, seafood and various meats.

>>10145517
It does make me wonder about the propagation of fallacious information when it's so easy to find the authoritative sources now. I have a feeling that myth latched onto the popular imagination because the story of a famous proponent of low-carb diets dying of a heart attack is so ironic and the reality of an old man just hitting his head and going into a coma is so boring.

>>10140008
>>10144802
>>10145517
Atkins is a bit different from keto, but both operate on a low/no carb start. Keto keeps to it, while Atkins adds them back later. Atkins is also "eat anything as long as there's no/few carbs" while keto has a ratio of 75%, 20%, 5%. It can however go from 60-75% of calories from fat (or even more), 15-30% of calories from protein, and 5-10% of calories from carbs.

>>10142981
How the hell is veganism right wing in any way?

>>10146602
From a vegan website, it looks like they are trying a new tactic where they are trying to make everyone think they're just like them.
>Are right-wing politics and veganism incompatible? No, of course not. It’s just a little barrier that needs breaking down a bit. Some “exposure to documentaries or books on the impact of meat consumption on animals and the environment could help those striving to achieving a vegan diet as their own personal goal” could be all it needs. Just not from some preachy, left-wing, snowflake, virtue signaller… Or whatever.

>>10133846
I tried keto with 20/4 IF and that lasted about a week before i switched to just 20/4 IF and just moderated my carb intake, its so much easier and the results are pretty similar.

>250 replies
>maybe one recipe
good thread

What makes people so eager to play armchair dietician and square off into camps over their particular nutrition deals?

>>10146884
Half of the OP was asking if it was a good diet. Thus people discussed that. Recipes are available all over the place.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/recipes/keto-pesto-chicken-casserole
https://fitmencook.com/low-carb-pizza/
Both sites have hundreds of other recipes. Just be careful to choose the ones that say they are low carb or keto.

>>10137380
>>10137365
Flax and chia seeds, my niggas. Thanks me later.

>>10143267
>pasta
Look into Shirataki Noodles. They're only 1 net carb per serving.

>>10147895
Oh nice
Bet these would go great in homemade ramen, thanks anon

Does anyone know about the carb values in both Danish and Greek feta cheese? I bought 3lb of the former, and I'm worried I may not be able to eat it, as I'm now finding conflicting information about the carb values.

>>10148135
Brand names would help a lot. From what I see, a 1 inch cube, or 100g, contains 1 carb. Can't be sure without knowing the brand though.

>>10148149
I should clarify that both a 1 inch cube and 100g both give 1 carb, though both are different brands. A 3 inch cube of the former is 2 carbs.

>>10148135
Rewriting my reply because I can't into words today.

Danish feta seems to have 1 carb per 25g, while Greek has 1 carb per 100g. I cannot be positive without knowing the brand name though, because this is just general information.

>>10134290
>Because keto forces your body into ketosis, and helps burn fat even faster than it would just eating with a calorie deficit.

This is not true. It's based on a flawed assumption that insulin is the only hormone in the body. Seriously you keto people are so fucking stupid and just because you don't know how to count calories doesn't mean shit. the fact that you aren't holding water doesn't mean you lost fat.

>>10148171
Thank you, Anon. It's from a local deli. I shouldn't have presumed that it would have similar carbs to all my other cheeses. I just love feta so much, Anon. Why does God want 3lb of Danish deli feta to cost around $6, but have 4g of net carbs at 100g?

>>10133846
So basically just cutting out carbs?

Are you a total fucking moron?

"I'm just going to cut humans' most important energy source out of my diet"?

Are you literally braindead? Well, you will be once your body doesn't have enough glucose to keep your brain functioning. Enjoy feeling like shit all the time, you moron!

>>10134147
>bread
What is rice
What are oats
What are cornflakes
What is pasta
Etc, etc.

There are far more sources of carbs than bread, FFS, and you should have a variety. Oats and rice are tremendously good sources of carbs with a low glycemic index.

>>10148192
>he thinks the water weight is counted at all
I'd have lost an instant 30lbs with one dirty trick doctors don't want you to know. No one except the 40% from /b/ thinks keto is about dropping pounds per day.

>increased ketones do nothing for the body
>keto is based off insulin results and nothing else
>keto people are stupid because I say so
How about doing your own research instead of relying on 4chan, then?

>>10148298
>the human body can't adapt
One of the main parts of keto is using fat, a more efficient (slowly burned) energy source than carbs. When entering ketosis, the body starts to use and prefer fat as its source of energy. You're brain dead and know nothing of human biology if you think carbs are that important.

>>10133846
i'm in ketosis and i eat 50 to 100 grams of net carbs a day

>>10148434
How heavy are you? That's an important factor. You can eat up to 75g carbs and sill be in ketosis. The lower you go, the higher your ketones.

>>10148451
201 pounds, 6'1". Eating about 1500 cal a day

>>10148298
>thousands, if not millions of people have seen positive results with a keto diet
>"ur a moron i noe better thn u, u it carbs or u die!!!1111"

Are there people out there that are this ignorant? Must be a troll, right?

>>10148487
Any exercise? How do you know you're in ketosis?

>>10148516
You have to remember that a lot of people were brainwashed into thinking high carb and low fat is the healthiest way of living.

i >>10148522
i piss on the strip; and its purple

>>10148522
about 14k steps in a day

Just this week I've started lifting weights again. I'm thin enough. Going to try to put on 10-15 pounds of muscle on keto. Upped my protein, and got those first nasty workouts out of the way. Much less soreness than lifting in glycolysis, which is pretty cool. I'm still in dietary ketosis. Damn, it's really hard to eat this much now. 2500 calories feels torturous. Have to see if this will work or not.

>>10133846
Why not just count calories and eat what you want?

>>10149008
Because keto controls hunger, and you naturally take in less calories.

>go on keto
>first two weeks was fine
>no side effects
And now this is where the fun begins.
>suddenly yesterday and today notice my breath smells awful, and my mouth tastes terrible
>still there after brushing
I know why this is, but it being unmanageable is going to kill my desire to stay on the diet eventually. Gf and family members don't seem bothered by it, but I know they are.

>>10149617
Do you know really know why it is? That dead carb-dependent bacteria isn't going to rot in your gut forever. Just sit it out.

>/ck/ - Housewife diets

>>10149617
Does it taste and smell like acetone? That's good, it means you're in ketosis

Buy a tongue scraper if it's bothering you

>>10134147
>he thinks carbs are required
>he hasn't heard of fasting
>he thinks he needs insulin shots for life

stay pleb then

>>10136147
learn to drink tea when you're out with your mates

read books by Dr Jason Fung

>>10136578
>keto
>shows a carrot for veggie and recommends root veggies
>thediabetescouncil.com

sounds like they want to keep you sick

>>10136690
they raise your insulin, which causes you to store fat. ketosis is when you don't have insulin spike and your body can retrieve and burn stored fat

protein raises insulin too but not as much
and fat raises insulin very little

>>10137046
>Your brain runs on carbs
carbs are not required for this, your brain runs better on ketones

>>10149008
I *am* eating what I want -- bacon, eggs, steak, salads, cauliflower, cheese, broccoli, tofu, salmon, all sorts of goodies!

It's amazing how much better I feel without eating shitloads of sugar and rice and wheat. Seriously.

>>10148298
>rice
>low glycemic index
Holy fuckballs, it's like you WANT to kill people. Diabetic here, rice is fucking fatal. I can eat a couple of big bread rolls with dinner and it's no problem, but even a small bowl of rice with dinner puts my blood glucose into the 300s.

>>10148192
>This is not true. It's based on a flawed assumption that insulin is the only hormone in the body.
You must be literally retarded. No one is saying that insulin is the only hormone. No one ever *has* said that. Just fuck off back to your vegan circlejerk and post some pics of cute delicious animals while whining about how you want to murder everyone who eats them.

>>10146602
Thanks for proving my point you illiterate shithead

>>10148322
Explain to me exactly how the same amount of calories will cause you to burn more fat if you’re in ketosis. Watching a yet video where someone talks about insulin for 5 minutes doesn’t count. And my point with water weight is that people are mistaking losing water weight and keeping it off for lost fat. Your body is in a constant state of storing and burning fat regardless of your diet, even while you’re gaining weight. Your fat stores move around during weightloss even. A recent study of people who went on crash diets showed that fat around the heart increased quite substantially for a period when the body was adjusting, for instance.

I’ve lost 100 lbs multiple times and monitor my weight fluctuation in relation to macros and salt regularly. Take your mom science somewhere else brain dead ketofag.

>>10150529
No it doesn’t. Its why every single civilization in human history has eaten grains and not shoved gallons of coconut oil down their mouths

>>10145785
It's the "big lie" school of propaganda. Just scream loudly and constantly about something, have all your friends do the same, and people will start to assume there must be some truth to it.

Just look at the whole "Putin hacked the election!" bullshit. So far the only thing that's been even slightly credibly alleged is that the Russians got into election systems to look at the voter rolls -- something that literally anyone can walk into their state election commission's office and buy on a CD-R. I used to be a county chair for the Libertarian Party; I got one every two years, just like every other political group does (unless they buy the data more often).

>>10150997
>he compares his literal pseudoscience to a silly conspiracy theory

Makes me think

Keto is dumb.

>>10145751
>I could not find any that contained potassium or calcium, so there goes 2 out of 3 of the main electrolytes for those things
It's easy to find potassium supplements, either in pill form (e.g., potassium gluconate from NatureMade) or as salt-substitute (potassium chloride, brand names "NoSalt", "Lite Salt", or similar). I just bought some of the tablets last week; I had to check, but "gluconate" isn't a sugar so I guess it's ok. I'd prefer the KCl but can't find it anywhere here.

And as far as calcium, you can get chewable supplements in pretty much any nutrition store; the electrolyte drinks sometimes have it too, but most of them also have sugar "for energy". It looks like there's one called "Hammer Endurolytes" which has a bunch of Ca in it. I can't find a full ingredients list to see if it has sugar too.

>>10151005
I'm comparing "Atkins died from his terrible diet!" to "Putin hacked the election!", dumbass.

But you'd know that if you had the reading ability of a three-year-old. Go back to "See Spot Run."

>>10151041
>his death from a heart related ailment couldnt have possibly anything to do with his diet!

Even more brilliant!

>>10151036
Hm. That seems pretty easy.

>>10151118
Are you one of the people who still think a high fat diet is somehow terrible?

>>10136698
>Sugars and such are bad

>>10151990
>*depending on the source, and type of sugar.

So sugars from fruit are fine, but added sugars and things like HFCS should be outright avoided.

>>10148986
Why do keto diet if you're going to the gym? I'm doing the keto diet because I can't afford to go to the gym and it's too cold out to go on walks/jogs. If I could just exercise I probably wouldn't do the keto diet

>>10152843
depends on how much fruit and shit you eat lol.. too much sugar is too much sugar

>>10151118
>>10151134
> completely ignoring that he died from falling on ice and hitting his head, and not at all from anything related to diet
you assholes

>>10136147
Vodka and Dasani sparkling water is fantastic. You can have it in moderation of course, but it slows down/stalls ketosis to burn off the alcohol then starts up again. Any hard liquor without sugar, any diet soda usually, and like I mentioned the sparkling flavored waters hide the vodka like you wouldn't believe.

Or very dry wines.

>>10136147
I just drink Scotch and dry white wine in moderation
Many other clear liquor works fine as well, but watch out for Rum as many have added sugars

>>10152843
sugar with fiber >>> sugar with fat > sugar with protein >>>>>>> sugar with starches and other shit

And it's still right, sugar is sugar, but you can find much better ways to get it.

Tfw got that energy boost. I feel so much less groggy now during the day and waking up in the morning is no longer a chore. I still have the tired eye feeling, but that's about it. Sex drive is higher too as a result. Keto is pretty great.

>>10133846
Do a PSMF if you are serious about losing weight.

>>10156027
I'm sure Allah/Jehova/Yahweh is very proud of you.

Hello. I adhere a keto diet and fast intermittently at the same time, eating only once a day. As a result, my meals are fairly large and indulgent. I would like to share the meal I cooked today with you all.

P(1/4)

1.5 cups of Spinach as bedding for the meal.

>>10156142
P(2/4)

4 boiled eggs and a .25-.3~ lb chunk of Danish feta cheese.

>>10156146
P(3/4)

1 whole avocado cut in two, and sliced.

>>10156142
Gotta ask. Are you making sure you're hitting your calorie intake and fat/protein? I want to start doing this, but I can't fathom eating the amount I'd need in one sitting. Splitting it up throughout the day is hard enough.

Do you still drink water throughout the day?

>>10156142

>you're the reason why the "white people don't season their food" meme exists

>>10156167
To be fair, none of that needs to be seasoned. It's all flavourful on its own.

>>10156175

>boiled eggs and avocados don't need salt or pepper
>ou

Typical.

>>10156175
I can understand eating boiled eggs without any seasoning on them but when I eat avocado by itself I need to at least put a little lemon juice on it.

Also what the fuck is up with that little bit of avocado on the salmon?

>>10156189
Wasnt aware salt or pepper really counted as seasoning. When I think of seasoning, I think of herbs. Black pepper counts I guess, but still.

>>10156155
P(4/4)

One whole Salmon steak grilled with a mixture of butter, olive oil, and pepper. Remaining juices drizzled over the completed steak, then finished with a dash of creamy avocado at the split.

I sincerely hope you all have enjoyed viewing my pictures.

>>10156156
I believe I have been hitting my calorie/protein/fat intake goals, yes. Should there be any doubt, I can consume a casein/whey protein drink to compensate. I like this powder:

https://us.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/milk-protein-smooth/10852575.html

110 calories, 24 grams of protein, and 2 grams of carbohydrates per portion, making it a solid 220 calories, 48 grams of protein, and 4g of carbs for two large scoops in water. Simple, easy, and very filling. I wouldn't worry about being too full to hit your macros, as you don't have to eat everything in one sitting and wait a full 24 hours to gain benefits from fasting. Many people extend their eating windows, perhaps even up to around four hours or so. You can eat a large meal, then have a protein shake or other meal item an hour or two later, and begin your fast from there.

In regards to water intake, I personally aim for about 6L/1.6 gallons of water daily (more than enough). Really, if you just keep a large container full of water near yourself at all times and take drinks frequently, you'll be well-off.

>>10156200
>what the fuck is up with that little bit of avocado on the salmon?
Take another look. ;^)

>>10153545
I'm kind of committed to it because I have type 1 diabetes. I've gotten much better control of my blood sugar eating like this. The fat loss over time was a side benefit. I've always worked out at home with pretty humble, but effective equipment like dumbbells and a pull up bar. Don't let gym fees stop you from trying to be healthier! I used to exercise a lot more years ago on a higher carbohydrate diet, but now that I've pretty much got the diabetes management on keto nailed I can learn how to combine all three. It's hard for me to make a lot of changes at once. There was thread recently with another type 1 talking about lifting on keto, so I've been reading a lot about it trying to figure out a plan. I said I'd try to do it! This winter is driving me crazy, too. I can't wait to go outside and do stuff again.

I'm a cooklet, can hardly cook basic shit but I wanna try some stuff.

How would you recommend I try cooking hamburger patties? I'm guessing its just ground beef + oil in a fryer but in terms of details, what oil? How long should I cook it on each side and at what temperature?

Any help like that?

>>10157391
I suggest coconut oil, because it has so many benefits that go great with keto. Just be careful with the amount.

>>10152843
no sugar is good for you and no sugar is acceptable if trying for keto diet

>>10156142
that's pretty, but I don't know how you eat that many eggs, whats your eating window?

>>10157507
Actually, sugar is fine on keto. As long as it is naturally occurring or fake zero calorie stuff. The only thing that matters in that regard is keeping your net carbs below a certain amount.

How do you not ruin your ldl cholesterol in keto?

I did it for months and fucked myself up royally, although it did help me control my blood sugar.

>>10157866
You probably did it way wrong. Keto is supposed to regulate that if anything. What was your diet like?

>>10157866
Tell us about what kinds of fats you ate.

>>10157875
>>10157893
I already know what I ate. Tell me what you ate.

I assume I went too hard on beef and cooking oils, because most of the rest of my diet was yogurt in the morning and green salad with chicken for lunch.

>>10158185
You're dodging the question, and that's not a good sign.

What kind of yoghurt did you have? Salad is fine for the most part, depending on if you used dressing or croutons. Highly doubt beef and cooking oil were the culprits, considering those have no trans fat. They actually have saturated fat, which is beneficial.

>>10158185
Ok. I eat a lot of eggs, dairy, fish and chicken. I eat 3 avocados and one pound of bacon a week. I eat a serving of different dark green vegetables and some pumpkin seeds every day. The only cooking fats I use are the bacon fat from the bacon, extra virgin olive oil, and butter.

>>10158498
Since he's giving his I'll give mine. Rotation between spinach, bok choy, and broccoli. Usually at least two per day. Up to 4oz of beef, lamb, pork, or chicken. Usually bacon and eggs in the mornings, three eggs and at most four pieces of bacon. Macadamia nuts, almonds, chia seeds and/or peanuts for a snack. Kielbasa, Italian sausage, canned sardines, or salmon for lunch. Cooking oils include avocado oil, grapeseed oil, and coconut oil as my primary. Usually have at least 2 litres of water a day, but I should really be doing way more. Seasonings/toppings can be either dill, rosemary, basil pesto, hot sauce, butter, or mayonnaise.

Differs weekly usually, but that's about the gist of it. None of it is in any particular order. I also take electrolyte supplements, and have a bag of whey protein on standby for workouts since protein demands are higher on those days.

>>10158624
Oh, and I eat anywhere between an inch cube of Camembert or two slices of mild cheddar a day.

>>10157514
>that's pretty
Thank you.
>I don't know how you eat that many eggs
When you go for such a long period of time without consuming anything, and become used to a single feeding period, it becomes more feasible to consume larger quantities of food at once. The sides of feta cheese and avocado help bring the meal together, and can help with the simple taste/texture of the eggs. I ate everything shown in my pictures in one sitting, with water.
>whats your eating window?
I've shifted it a few times, recently. That said, it's either been an established eating time of 9:30~7 AM, or 6:30~7 PM. I take some supplements 30 minutes before, and immediately after my meals. Then I fast for anywhere between 20 and 24 hours.

>>10157514
>>10158986
One typo:

>it's either been an established eating time of 9:30~7 AM...
Meant to say "9:30~10 AM".

>>10158624
Threads gonna die soon, but why peanuts? I can't do those. Just too many carbs. They're cheap and all, but they're not that good to me compared to all the tree nuts.