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>>7825140
>>7825212
Both of you have valid points.

The whole cult thing is slightly being hyperbolic, but in regards of it not being for everyone, you're correct, there are just some people that AA doesn't work for.

Personally, I worked all 12 steps in AA and then kinda floundered in NA for a few years. Got clean and learned not to do stupid shit.

Spent a few more years completely abstaining then decided to stop going to meetings every god damn day because I had shit to do.

I enjoyed my time there all in all, though. Helped me get through a rough patch of my life and all the fucking hugs are great.

Big, burly, ex-methhead bikers give the very best hugs.

>tfw you also get to hug the qt3.14s too.

I like the literature from AA more than NA, though. Bill Wilson had a way with words, the NA literature is real dry and sterile - some of the personal stories are cool.

>>5712659
Well yeah.

>>5611596
>In this post: someone who has never been to AA

>because a 95% relapse rate after 6 months is not the mark of success.
Lots off people fall off the wagon with or without AA/NA within 6 months

>Because telling people that they have a "disease" (because diseases can totally be cured by willpower)
AA makes it very clear that the disease of alcoholism is not a matter of lacking willpower. In a metaphorical sense it's comparable to a disease - it has causes (be it environmental or genetic), symptoms and can be treated.

>when they have a substance abuse problem is fucking stupid.
It adds gravity to the situation instead of saying "lol just don't drink, have some backbone"

>Because pushing religion on vulnerable people is an asshole thing to do.
AA and any derivative of it denounces preaching of specific religions - almost every group I've been to will shut people down for going on tangents relating specifically to religion. It's not uncommon at all to have both atheists and agnostics in AA that do well - one of the common examples is to hold one's homegroup as a higher power.

>Because pretending that substance abuse is THE problem as opposed to the symptom is fucking asinine.

If you look into the 12 steps, you'll see that they're meant to at least alleviate some of the underlying conditions that lead people to chronically abuse alcohol or drugs. Your statement is patently inapplicable to AA.

>But mostly because: If you fail and relapse, it's because you are a shitty, weak person who did not want to be sober enough

Also patently wrong. Many established members of a group may be take a less vitriolic view, but after seeing people half-assing the program for so long, it can be difficult to keep from getting jaded. A vast, vast majority of people in groups are effusively supportive and welcoming - even if you relapse every other week and end up in meetings drunk.

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>>5569683
Whoooooooo.

Pic somewhat related.

My record is something like 2 years (mostly did NA).

I'm sorry, but I love whisky too much. Basically as long as I'm not doing *ahem* drugs, I'm perfectly satisfied.

Congrats, though, that's a huge milestone. Why are you posting in a booze thread?

>>5486954
Uh.

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