/ck/ - Food & Cooking

ITT: If this is what 30's are like I don't think I want that

>>12607129
>Why do fatties always resort to extreme measures? "Oh I will starve myself for three days"
It's not really "starving himself" if he's 100lb overweight. Really anyone 100lb overweight could easily go many months off water, electrolytes, and *maybe* some vitamins thrown into the mix.
Somewhat speaking from experience (except for the being overweight part): I have Ulcerative Colitis and even as much of a concentration camp wraith I ended up from the disease fucking with me constantly (shitting blood and vomiting, unable to hold down solid food) the hospital staff (doctors, nurses, and the people who work with the diagnostic stuff) were all 100% nonchalant about maintaining me on nothing but sugar water through an IV drip with some electrolytes and vitamins along the way, for very long stretches of time (I remember once we were approaching a full month before they started switching to the full blown parenteral nutrition).
One nurse explained to me when I asked about it that most people grossly overestimate how vital food is to your immediate survival compared to water. You get water, electrolytes, and a little bit of glucose and you're pretty fucking far from starving to death even if you're starting out as a horribly sick underweight mess. Now if you're starting out instead as morbidly obese then you're beyond fine, like potentially lasting well over a full year with no food fine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/pdf/postmedj00315-0056.pdf
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/survive-without-eating-382-days/
This is why NASA wants to send really fat people on long spaceflights.

>>12607129
>Why do fatties always resort to extreme measures? "Oh I will starve myself for three days"
It's not really "starving himself" if he's 100lb overweight. Really anyone 100lb overweight could easily go many months off water, electrolytes, and *maybe* some vitamins thrown into the mix.
Somewhat speaking from experience (except for the being overweight part): I have Ulcerative Colitis and even as much of a concentration camp wraith I ended up from the disease fucking with me constantly (shitting blood and vomiting, unable to hold down solid food) the hospital staff (doctors, nurses, and the people who work with the diagnostic stuff) were all 100% nonchalant about maintaining me on nothing but sugar water through an IV drip with some electrolytes and vitamins along the way, for very long stretches of time (I remember once we were approaching a full month before they started switching to the full blown parenteral nutrition).
One nurse explained to me when I asked about it that most people grossly underestimate how vital food is to your immediate survival compared to water. You get water, electrolytes, and a little bit of glucose and you're pretty fucking far from starving to death even if you're starting out as a horribly sick underweight mess. Now if you're starting out instead as morbidly obese then you're beyond fine, like potentially lasting well over a full year with no food fine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/pdf/postmedj00315-0056.pdf
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/survive-without-eating-382-days/
This is why NASA wants to send really fat people on long spaceflights.

>>12485483
>Perceptions of the Cause of Their IBD
>Perceptions
Anon, this is EXACTLY why "food doesn't cause IBD, it only has the ability to worsen already existing symptoms" is:
>>12485425
>Pretty much what everyone tells you every time you have any sort of formal medical interaction related to inflammatory bowel disease.
Because everyone makes the bad *assumption* food MUST be the culprit just because the autoimmune response is located in the intestines for these particular diseases.
Keep in mind though that with Ulcerative Colitis the autoimmune activity is almost always confined to the large intestine. With Crohn's, the autoimmune activity runs all along the GI tract, including the small intestine and manifestations even higher up than that.
I'm telling you this because if it was food that *caused* IBD, why would the damage be showing up in predictable, very specific limited sections of the GI tract (for Ulcerative Colitis in particular) and not in all the other intestinal tissue, or in the stomach tissue for that matter? Almost 100% of UC patients have perfectly immaculate stomachs. Not the slightest bit of peptic ulcers or gastritis, and unlike with Crohn's, UC isn't associated with stunted growth in younger patients (because the large intestine does handles water and salt absorption unlike the stomach or even the small intestine which take in actual material of nutritional substance).
The reality is everyone WANTS food and diet to be the cause of these things just like how Steve Jobs very badly wanted to believe he could magically cure pancreatic cancer by turning down chemo and eating a retarded fruit only diet. You gotta be a little more skeptical about these things though. There are some really fucked up people who make a living exploiting desperate sick people and their willingness to believe there's an easy fix that doesn't involve drugs with horrible life ruining side effects or intensely invasive surgery that leaves you draining liquid shit into a bag.

>>12310528
>Ketchup is for children
This is one of the strangest forced memes about food I've seen in the past 30 years. Ketchup's an incredibly basic condiment available everywhere and consumed in greater amounts by adults than children. You might as well try to make salt or mayonnaise seem weird.

>>12052167
The need to put ground up animal flesh and plant matter down your throat on a regular basis is easily one of the worst parts of being alive and human. Warm-blooded physiology was a mistake, some reptiles can get by eating just once a month.

>>12039175
If you literally want a total substitute for food, pic related is exactly what that sort of thing will look like. Less memed up options in case you let the /pol/ propaganda get to you would be Boost, Ensure, and Carnation Instant Breakfast. Personally I've never tried Soylent, I tried the Walmart knockoff of Ensure which is called Equate and found it nauseating, and I used to drink Boost all the time and liked it although I understand they changed the formula in recent years to add fiber or probiotics or something and a lot of people who had been using it didn't like that change.
Carnation Instant Breakfast is really good except that you don't realize until you look at the label when you're back from the store that it requires you provide your own milk and add the powder to it. It says right on the fucking label "Complete Nutritional Drink," yet you need to have milk to use it. That's the exact opposite of "complete." I'm still heated about that, it's like if you bought a pack of Reese's peanut butter cups and found out they expect you to add your own peanut butter.

>>11967873
>The fuck is red dwarf?
Zoomers pls leave.

>>11959136
I know that feel, OP. It took me a few times before I finally accepted that post-20s me is physically incapable of eating chicken nuggets or fast food burgers of any sort without getting ridiculously near death grade sick. I think you have some sort of special invulnerability to stomach insult when younger that masks how fucked up and inedible that sort of food really is.

>>11662983
It's not a diagnosis a doctor will give you, but it's also not like doctors deny that varying degrees of permeability in the intestinal epithelial barrier exist (everyone has some permeability, that's how it's supposed to work, but an excessively compromised barrier might be associated with other problems). It's an area of research.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27848962

>>11571208
>you're right because it's worse
^^^This.
I hate soda machines so much. I base who I get uber eats delivery from in large part on the restaurant having an option for actual bottled soda. Paper cup soda is trash. And no:
>>11572557
It's not just about adding more syrup. The syrup *distribution* is all inconsistent and fucked up compared to a bottled soda. I really wanted to like paper cup machine soda a while back before restaurant delivery through phone apps took off because it would have let me re-up on soda by using the fast food place right next to my apartment, but every time I tried it just ended in me throwing it out because it was so off from what a legitimate sealed container of soda would have provided. I wish there were a law against them, only sealed container sodas should be allowed.

>>11552673
Except he was trying to claim meat on its own didn't have a cancer risk. That was the whole point. So saying "here's a couple links that states high temperature cooking creates more of some carcinogenic chemicals, but also fat content in meat increases your cancer risk, and cancer risk for unprocessed meat is limited to red meat while not seen with white meat" defeats that point since you're acknowledging the meat itself in these cases *does* have a cancer risk of its own and it can't be explained away as a cooking problem.

>>11419827
I used to love the whopper and would've picked that easily if it were twenty years ago.
>tfw have overly sensitive old man gut now and if I even eat half of a fast food burger I'm stuck on the toilet for hours alternating between bloated stabbing pain constipation and torrents of diarrhea, probably also vomiting halfway through