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I'm a sucker for black and I honestly love sweet lolita, but I need some more inspiration. Preferably all black, but other accent colors work as well. Prints are okay, I guess, but I prefer non-prints, though for the sake of the thread, I'll take them.

>> No.9952486

>>9952438
Anon if you're making a whole new thread requesting something then you need to dump at least a few images first
Go into the archives, search for kuro/sweet/whatever and pick some up yourself to get the thread started. Heck, fucking Google it

>> No.9952929
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Sorry anon, I don't really have much for you, as most of the images I have saved that are mostly black are not sweet, but here are a few of the more sweet mostly black coords I have saved

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>> No.9952932

inb4 some retard comes in saying these are gothic

>> No.9952934

>>9952932
OP's image is gothic. The rest ITT are sweet.

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>>9952930

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>> No.9952944

>>9952934
Wow, literally one post after and some retard says it

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>> No.9952969

>>9952941
Her buns just make it for me, oh my gosh. It's not a perfect coord, but it's super cute. Ijust with the black on her blouse blended in a bit more with the JSK, unless it's supposed to be a dark navy.

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>> No.9952993

>>9952945
This is a cursed image. I feel like I'm looking at a skinwalker.

>> No.9952995

>>9952438
>makes thread for black sweet coords
>starts off with pic of an old school gothic coord

I can't handle this autism.

>> No.9952996

Literally all but >>9952929 are not fucking sweet and you are retarded if you say they are.

>> No.9953022

>>9952934
I'm glad it's not just me that thought this

>> No.9953024

>>9952930
>>9952929
>>9952940
>>9952942
>>9952948
>>9952953
>>9952961
Look sweet. Feel free to disagree but I'd like to hear why

>> No.9953052

>>9953024
because theyre all black and that makes them gothic. it's not like cut and themes matter

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>> No.9953081

>>9953024
Okay I'll take the bait.

>>9952930
kuro, has a very gothic cross, not sweet, i don't care what kind of shoes she is wearing.

>>9952929
This one is pretty sweet, the only one I would agree on with you.

>>9952940
This is a very gothic dress and shoes.
I don't see what woudl make it sweet. That it has bows?? That she's super cute instead of more dark and brooding?

>>9952942
This is more hime gothic

>>9952945
Straight up gothic, cross and everything. Just because she is wearing tea parties doesn't mean it's sweet.

>>9952948
This is straight up old school kuro shiro. It's quite laughable to call this sweet.

>>9952953
Same as above

>>9952961
Same as above

I shouldn't even have to explain why >>9952971 and>>9952962 are NOT sweet.

I think whoever thinks these are all sweet (except one) really needs to go back to lurking and learn about the ye olden days of lolita.

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>> No.9953145

>>9953081
THANK you anon, I was thinking the same thing but you phrased it much better than I could.

>>9953084
>>9953088
>>9953092
And the bullshit continues, none of these are sweet.

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>>9952944
>implying i didn't intentionally reply just to fuck with gulls who take certain shit too seriously

>> No.9953177

>>9953081
It's not bait, I have trouble with the substyles sometimes. I'll explain my thinking.
There's a lot of different substyles but for the most part they can be classified under the main styles of sweet, classic, and gothic, and are just themes and variations on those.
Most of the ones you say are kuro buyout right, but I'd say they fall under sweet if you had to pick a main category.
>>9952942
Is hime for example but it's sweet Hime.
Most of the ones I tagged, consider if they were in a different color besides black. Most of the details and styling would fall under sweet.
Some of the ones I tagged I wasn't sure of desu.

>> No.9953183

>>9953145

lol. >>9953092 was the test. It's the exact same photo some newb used to start their "gothic" thread and then got bashed by cgl for it.

If you don't remember that thread then maybe you're the one that needs to brush up.

>>9953081 hung one of her critiques entirely on one single necklace accessory being "not sweet enough". I'd think twice about agreeing with them.

>>9953157
Good move, cgl threads seem to be powered by salt nowadays.

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>>9953177
You seem so new. Kuro and shiro can be their own thing just like sailor and hime.

Back in the day before prints brands would release the same dress in multiple colors and sweet vs gothic was mostly in the color.

You say there are motifs and themes but I think you are misunderstanding some of them. Bows don't automatically equal sweet, neither do round toe shoes with bows. Lolita show trends have changed as much as the dresses. The heart shaped purse in >>9953092 transcends all styles depending on the color.

Pic related. Neither of them are sweet.

>> No.9953189

>>9953183
You are basic your "test" photo on dumbass cgl opinions lol. Despite what some people think cgl is 1)not a hivemind and 2) is not an authority on lolita. I read dumb advice / opinions on here as often as I read the smart advice.

The people in that thread who called it sweet were probably the same ones who think all the pics are sweet.

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>>9953183
>Good move, cgl threads seem to be powered by salt nowadays
While I was just being an ass I wish /cgl/ wasn't like that. It's always been a salty board, but lately I feel like it's been straight trash.
>>9953145
I actually disagree that >>9953088 isn't sweet. I definitely think it is. While the jsk isn't the headbow, socks, and hair definitely push it into sweet. Hope you don't mind sharing why you think it isn't sweet.
I don't know if OP wants prints, but here's my contribution.

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>>9953194
Stole a few more from instagram if you don't mind the prints OP.

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>> No.9953207

>>9953194
>salty trash

Yea, at some point it feels like the userbase had a turnover and the new users are much younger, ten times more clueless and think that being rude to everyone somehow makes up for it. I miss the days when you could get into argument but also learn something new from the other person. These days you're basically being hurled insults at while trying to explain simple basic things to someone obviously clueless. I can see why people have stopped coming to cgl altogether, good on you for keeping on trying.

>>9953189

Actually the thread had maybe 10 replies telling OP that she was a dumbass and then people straight up stopped posting and the thread fell off the board. The photo gets posted a lot as a troll pic after that.

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>>9953207
>userbase had a turnover and the new users are much younger
I think crossboarders have been much louder than they used to be. They seem to be here just to troll and shitpost because
>hurr durr female board theres no women on the internet
I do wonder where most girls have moved though. It's definitely not lolcow or crystal cafe. Did they just give up on online salt completely.

>> No.9953219

>>9952948
>>9953081
>old school kuro shiro. It's quite laughable to call this sweet.
Idk how to tell you this but kuro and shiro refer to the color palette, not the substyle. It can be kuro or shiro AND sweet, classic or gothic at the same time. Mind blowing, I know.

>> No.9953235

>>9953219
Right. Same thing with hime and sailor. It's still a subset of something else.
Though I took a closer look at the kuro coord and they're at least right it is not sweet. I just glanced at some of them desu.

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>>9953081
>>9952940
This dress is ap's pompadour op. Angelic pretty, the famous gothic brand.. right.
The pearls are also a giveaway. Here's the same dress in pink.
It's not just bows, it's the cut, silhouette, everything. I've literally never seen this dress and still recognized it as ap right away.

>> No.9953238

>>9953081
you sound literally retarded

>> No.9953240

>>9953237
Nayrt, the coord itself isn't gothic but that black OP could be gothic if coorded right, even if it's AP.
>inb4 b-b-but it has bows on it!!
It's a rococo-style OP and can easily be coorded in a more historical-inspired way, not just sweet or OTT sweet.

>> No.9953242

>>9953240
But it's not coorded right to make it gothic? It's a sweet dress from a sweet brand paired with sweet accessories? Nothing about it is gothic

>> No.9953246

>>9953240
Sure it could but it's not, and it's funny the other anon was so befuddled why someone would think it's sweet.

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>>9953237
>>9953242
>gothic brand
>sweet brand
Wow it's almost like if a brand produces items in a certain style it can absolutely never-ever-ever produce things in other styles. Sure.
The only sweet things about >>9952940 are the headbow and the fact that it's worn by a cute round-faced girly girl. Shoes, socks, makeup and hair have no hints of sweet, the bracelets are just kinda random and don't fit here IMO and it looks like she's wearing chunky metal rings on her left hand which are so typical of sweet, right.

>>9953194
DESU I was a bit on the fence about this one myself, but after some deliberation I decided that for me personally there aren't enough sweet elements. The headbow is more flat and droopy while sweet bows are usually bigger, more vertical and stick up and out more. The hairdo is definitely on the sweet side, but honestly I don't know shit about styling long hair, so I can't say what could've made it read more gothic apart from leaving it as is or the ol' updo.
The socks are overpowered by the shoes which are not sweet however you look at them. Also I feel like bare wrists are the least of all common in sweet. Overall I'd call this coord toned-down almost casual gothic.

>>9953183
>Thinking I read and remember every thread and every instance of someone getting bashed on here
Lol hell no

>> No.9953258

>>9952929
What happened to her btw?

>> No.9953260

>>9953258
She's redone her social media accounts and mostly posts about otome games and other video games now, iirc she's made her own game too. She does wear lolita sometimes but not as often as she used to.

>> No.9953266

>>9953257

Socks are the infamous btssb socks. Y'know, the other famous gothic brand...

Her bracelets match her headbow. I think you just want it to be random because you're trolling but okay.

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>>9953290

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>>9953293
This one is admittedly debatable but I'd like to think of it as gothic through sweet eyes

>> No.9953296

>>9953266
>a garment's style depends on the brand that released it rather than its design
Wew lass. No wonder this fashion is full of idiots who can't dress themselves.

>> No.9953297

>>9953294
oh i really like this coord. tho i personally dislike wigs of that type..

>> No.9953311

>>9953202
It looks inconsistent, the pieces arent tied well

>> No.9953664

So much misinformation in this thread.

I don't understand what is with this new trend of calling gothic coords sweet. It's definitely a new thing that was started 1-2ish years ago.

I'm pretty sure that it is definitely the new lolitas that cause this misinformation because figuring out substyles is not that hard, and also with the recent trends of creepy cute and sweet classic it's just not as important or cut and dry. But for some reason people forgot that it's gothic LOLITA not straight up goth?? So yeah gothic lolita coords can have freaking bows and cuter shoes. Old school gothic lolita and old school is not fucking sweet, it never will be and if you posted that in 2006 people would laugh you out of the fashion.

>> No.9953737

>>9953266
>Socks are the infamous btssb socks. Y'know, the other famous gothic brand
I repead for the stupid ones:
"Wow it's almost like if a brand produces items in a certain style it can absolutely never-ever-ever produce things in other styles. Sure."

Same goes for the socks. Nothing about their design reads as sweet and if you wore them with a sweet coord you'd be nitpicked on this very platform to hell and back.

Bracelet matches the bow - fine, I'll give you that, but it does not negate any of the other points I've made that you seem to be conveniently ignoring.

>> No.9953770

>>9953664
I always thought it was because of that one autist that would go into gothic threads and call almost every coord sweet.

>> No.9953774

>>9953770
Yes exactly. Then noobs read it, take it as fact and will spew it back like it's gospel just because they read it on cgl.

It's exactly why some people still think bittersweet is a thing. Because some uninformed people put it out there. Therefore it exists? Doesn't mean it's true but people will fight you tooth and nail about it.

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You should've just called this thread a kuro thread. It would've saved us all from a lot of the gothic vs sweet bs that's wrecking this thread

>> No.9953810

What defines goth at this point? Just wearing black?

>> No.9953859

>>9953810
Probably would have to do with the styling of the garment and/or the cut, or theme? but like it's also a matter of people thinking you can't be a mixture of any of the sub styles, you can be wearing a coord that's gothic/sweet, classic/sweet, classic/gothic, ect, and that's hard for people to understand for some reason...

>> No.9953896

>>9952936
Gothic

>> No.9953919

>>9953770

Nah, that one was an obvious troll.

The real start was that one girl who started her thread with "Gothic only. I hate sweet" but posted a pic of head-to-toe Angelic Pretty.

Key was she said she HATED sweet. So that started the point where anons would go into gothic threads and point out all the sweet coords, and also >>9953859's thinking that apparently you can't cross sweet with gothic.

Unfortunately with what >>9953664 said, now we're basically back to saying every black AP dress is sweet? Cute bows, check. Ruffles, check. Cute shoes, check.

Then what makes gothic gothic? Nothing? As long as it's black it's gothic?