Old School Thread: Revival Edition

[Anonymous No.9796164]

Who are your favourite "modern" old school lolitas?
Is old school making a comeback?

[Anonymous No.9796171]

>>9796164
>Is old school making a comeback?
It has been for a while now I think. On the one hand I'm happy about it, on the other hand it makes me sad to see new girls going on about old school like it's a costume with very rigid definitions that they need to tick off a list to achieve the look, instead of researching old coords to understand what made them what they are.
I wish people would actually take this opportunity to really express themselves rather than hop on a trend, is what I'm trying to say.

[Anonymous No.9796293]

>>9796171
People are trying to do oldschool lolita with the current lolita mentality. The two concepts just don’t work together.

[Anonymous No.9796300]

>>9796293
That's exactly it. I'm hopeful though, maybe some of these girls will enjoy old school enough to try to really understand it and wear it to express themselves, long after it's no longer the cool thing to do. It's so gorgeous when pulled off correctly, and to answer the OP again,
>Who are your favourite "modern" old school lolitas?
Probably a predictable answer and for good reason, I love Ophelia's style. I'd never be able to imitate what she does but she's still a major source of inspiration for me, barring actual old school street snaps.

[Anonymous No.9796309]

>>9796300
Does she have an Instagram?

[Anonymous No.9796416]

>>9796300
I really like her. She even did some “schemes” to explain how she creates an outfit and from where she takes inspiration every time. I found them very helpful.
>>9796309
Her IG is yetaxa.

[Anonymous No.9796449]

>thinly veiled Ophelia promotion thread

[Anonymous No.9796469]

How do you gulls feel about old school styling with pieces that are very obviously modern? I really love the look of less floof, chunky black shoes, visible bloomers, and the general vibe of old school, but I don't really like the actual pieces much. I feel like if I take my very contemporary looking pieces (I like elaborate prints and chiffon) and style them more old school people are just going to call me ita.

[Anonymous No.9796483]

I love Sable, her coords are always creative and have that authentic old school gothic feel

>>9796469
If you don't call it old school, then I don't see the problem. It's only when people start trying to call coords using modern main pieces old school, it falls flat.

[Anonymous No.9796493]

>>9796483
I'd never call it proper old school, absolutely. I don't have the kind of dedication it takes to pull off old school. (Also I just really really like chiffon.) Would calling it old school-inspired be an issue, so maybe people will see what I'm going for?

[Anonymous No.9796500]

>>9796164
This image made me fall in love with old school. No idea who she is however :(

[Anonymous No.9796502]

>>9796500
Another "modern" old school I have saved in my inspo folder

[Anonymous No.9796517]

>tfw want to try oldschool since i first got into lolita in the early 2000's
>tfw too scared i'll look ita

[Anonymous No.9796518]

>>9796502
sage for ot but i love her nose

>>9796517
just do it u scaredy cat

[Anonymous No.9796520]

>>9796449
Post others then you coconut

[Anonymous No.9796565]

i love his oldschool coord

[Anonymous No.9796566]

>>9796565
*coords
@fisksamlaren on ig

[Anonymous No.9796569]

>>9796483
Wow yeah, her look is really great

[Anonymous No.9796574]

>>9796469
no no and no. This is such a pet peeve with me

[Anonymous No.9796576]

>>9796502
"modern oldschool"
this is just gothic. I can see the "oldschool reference" in the wig, but the rest is so contemporary it's just a good lolita coord to me.

[Anonymous No.9796579]

>>9796517
look at the example down below, anon. It's actually so easy to do a proper oldschool coord. So many people mess it up because they try too hard! All you need is an older, simple piece with simple accessories that match it. I'd say the biggest mistake people make with oldschool is they rely too much on "frills." Choose a simple blouse. Tend toward cotton lace or at least non-raschel and not too MUCH of it. And definitely, definitely get a "chunkier" shoe, don't just rely on tea parties.

[Anonymous No.9796586]

>>9796469
I love this look and have been doing it more lately. If anything, it seems like it’s becoming more of a trend of modern styling. It’s cute, but not old school.

[Anonymous No.9796593]

>>9796483
She's my inspiration

[Anonymous No.9796607]

>>9796300
anyone know what wig/hairpiece is doing those curls

[Anonymous No.9796613]

Tfw I want to wear more old school and I do own an oldschood ap piece that fits, but I’m tall so I can’t get my waist super small and I’m scared to buy more because a lot of it is for a 26” waist and I’m 28”

[Anonymous No.9796625]

>>9796613
Holy run on sentence batman. 28" is really not that big, even for old school. JSKs are likely to fit you fine, OPs will depend on your entire frame (shoulder width, ribcage). Skirts are the only oldschool main piece that will be a 26" waist with any regularity. Even then Meta has been making generously shirred skirts since the dark ages so there are old skirts that'll fit you.

Really since you're tall I'd be more concerned about length since old school can run damn short.

[Anonymous No.9796648]

>>9796483
She really reminds me of Mana-sama and Mihara Mitsuki

[Tim No.9796652]

>>9796518
>his nose

[Anonymous No.9796660]

>>9796607
Iirc it's from the etsy store FancyNancyHairUpdos.

[Anonymous No.9796683]

>>9796625
The one op that I have is kinda short on me but I feel like having thin legs gives the illusion of not showing as much skin. I’d rather not wear an underskirt with old school either since the chiffon wouldn’t match

[Anonymous No.9796690]

>>9796683
bloomers exist for this exact reason in old school

[Anonymous No.9796697]

>>9796164
incoming dump from COF

[Anonymous No.9796698]

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[Anonymous No.9796710]

>>9796706
>when you try so hard to look like a stereotype
>but don't even bother to button up the top button of your blouse

[Anonymous No.9796716]

>>9796710
that's... definitely buttoned up.
are you blind anon?

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[Anonymous No.9796763]

>>9796576
they posted it in the old school group so :/

[Anonymous No.9796797]

>>9796706
what is the name/brand for the jsk??

[Anonymous No.9796804]

>>9796797
she said it was baby

[Anonymous No.9796810]

>>9796576
Aside for the shoes and wig the newest items here (socks and headdress) are from 2007, the rest are 2004-2006. EGA is timeless though and not everyone consider 2007 as oldschool so to each their own I guess

[Anonymous No.9796900]

>>9796164
only good oldschoolers now are ophelia and mandassb... i feel like the tumblr oldschoolers are the most dedicated, they were doing it for a while before the "trend" era started all over again

[Anonymous No.9796901]

>>9796710
this has got to be the samefag that called her stereotypical in the cof thread. look at all the samey coords here, just because her coord is simple and solid you dislike it? or do you just not like her?

[Anonymous No.9796903]

>>9796702
this girl is an ageplayer can we just excommunicate her?

[Anonymous No.9796908]

>>9796903
Proof?

[Anonymous No.9796914]

>>9796901
I'm the anon who originally said her coord looked tryhard and no, that's not me. And almost every old school coord is simple in one way or another, that doesn't mean it has to be samey.

[Anonymous No.9796916]

This thread is so pleasing to look at and the makes me reminisce the days when I was first introduced to lolita, which was over 10 years ago. The look wasn’t a vomit of prints and looking as cute as possible as it is today (not that there something wrong with that or like it, it’s just not my cup of tea), but simplicity and I don’t remember what the word is called. Aesthetic and simplistic?

[Anonymous No.9796917]

What do you think about coords that involve old pieces but don't really look conventionally old school?

>>9796916
Do you mean minimalistic?

[Anonymous No.9796919]

>>9796908
She posted about it on her own instagram and was called out here at one point.
>Her instagram caption went from "daddy is taking me out on a date, i dressed up for nice sir" or some dumb shit like that to using the word "partner," so she probably lurks too.

[Anonymous No.9796930]

>>9796917
Yes, that’s word I was looking for. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.9796934]

>>9796930
where can i find peep toe platform boots like that in this era? fml

[Anonymous No.9796938]

>>9796930
It makes me so sad that these two would be probably called ita these days.

[Anonymous No.9796948]

>>9796919
She used the word Sir once or twice for her boyfriend but that is the worst I ever saw. It didn't even give off an ageplay vibe. She probably stopped when she realized it sounded bad. You keep making this accusation in multiple threads with no proof.

[Anonymous No.9796949]

>>9796916
This photo has always been one of my biggest inspirations. I love how simple and real it is.

[Anonymous No.9796954]

>>9796938
Yeah. Well, even if they were classified as itas, they would be among the best dressed ones and to even refer them as itas feels so wrong. In street snaps people usually tell where their style came from, their inspirations and what not, whereas itas look like their coord was done in impulse and no thought put on it whatsoever.

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[Anonymous No.9796957]

>>9796954
>>9796916
That oldschool bitch face is giving me life. I just love how they don't seem to care at all or are annoyed at having their photo taken.

[Anonymous No.9796979]

>>9796957
Yup.

[Anonymous No.9796990]

What do you think about more obscure old school lolita brands? Do you own anything by them? Why do you think they didn't stand the pass of time?

[Anonymous No.9797000]

>>9796990
>What do you think about more obscure old school lolita brands? I like some of their ideas, the problem is that because they are obscure, closed their business. They are hard to come by, more specifically the pieces you want.
>Do you own anything by them? Nope. But I keep looking once week a second hand brand shop incase something comes up.
>Why do you think they didn't stand the pass of time?
There are many reasons. They didn’t keep up with times. I mean in a way that, lolita fashion evolves troughout the years and they kept doing the same thing instead of changing the formula. Also lack of overseas customer oriented websites (and sizing), when their Japanese customer base wasn’t as profitable in business sense. Or that they weren’t interested in their fashion line anymore. Also the competition is now bigger with indie brands coming along, making lolita fashion accessible to everyone more than ever before. Also the business profits when a customer buys a product first hand. When someone buys an item second hand, the business doesn’t profit from this because the item wasn’t bought from them, but from another seller.

[Anonymous No.9797008]

>>9796990
>What do you think about more obscure old school lolita brands?
I'm incredibly intrigued by them and would love to experience their work.

>Do you own anything by them?
Do Beth, Millefleurs, and Ozz On count? Only one of those is closed, but they other two don't have a large overseas presence.

>Why do you think they didn't stand the pass of time?
I think that some of them still exist, but are dying due to lack of outreach. I think that almost happened to AtePi but they've really reinvented themselves and reached out to the Western Market. I think Physical Drop (which is new but I see as the modern equivalent of one of those old school indie brands) will succeed because the creator is crazy dedicated and makes a huge effort to be accessible and to interact with her fans. Basically, if there's no hype, things don't get bought and brands die.

[Anonymous No.9797069]

>>9796900
Mandassb is also a good inspiration for plus size lolitas. I follow her on tumblr and she seems so friendly and cute.

[Anonymous No.9797143]

>>9796914
>>9796710
>very clearly samefagging
you hate her coord enough to /have/ to say something any time it pops up, I'm calling vendetta

[Anonymous No.9797150]

>>9796753
really cute coord but i have to ask

were the toilet seats and poop emoji plunger in the background intentional?

[Anonymous No.9797158]

>>9797150
Yeah, she likes to take photos in weird places and crack jokes about it

[Anonymous No.9797198]

>>9797143
>hurr everyone who doesn't agree with my taste is a vendetta samefag
Let's not clog the thread up with this type of garbage discussion.

[Anonymous No.9797314]

>>9796919
you realize people can use that word ironically/jokingly, right?
Yall gulls really need to calm your tits and stop screaming ageplayer about every person you happen to dislike for one reason or another, it just makes you seem even dumber than usual.

[Anonymous No.9797318]

>>9797314
ok sorry daddy ill be good now pls no spanking

[Anonymous No.9797466]

>>9796934
Well it says they are Ba-tsu and there was a single pair by this brand sold on fril so... Maybe one day?

[Anonymous No.9797471]

Why do so many people worry about oldschool looking ita? How could anyone possibly construe not looking like a tryhard OTT overdone printvomit as being ita.

[Anonymous No.9797612]

>>9796726
wow this bag. what brand is that bag, anyone know? I'm guessing Mana's...?

[Anonymous No.9797676]

>>9797471
Because people are too concerned about what the community might think about them than about wearing shit they like. It's okay to mess up every now and then, it happens, but girls are so worried about being called ita to their face or otherwise that they're straining themselves to look perfect at all times and end up looking like they're trying way too hard.

[Anonymous No.9797835]

>>9797318
gtfo tard

[Anonymous No.9797955]

>>9797314
She wasn't using the word jokingly you moron she was dead sirious. And with that said, I've seen her use the word 'Sir' before but not 'daddy' at all.

[Anonymous No.9797960]

>>9797955
“Sir” sounds more cringe than ageplay desu

[Anonymous No.9798047]

>>9796919
still no proof. not surprised.
the original accusation from the ita thread said 'sir'
but keep reaching and flinging shit, anon.

[Anonymous No.9798051]

>>9796990
Kazuko Ogawa made wonderful velveteen pieces and I always look out for them secondhand.
their website is still up but yeah they've been gonners.
Marble is still around though! and Chocochip Cookie!!

[Anonymous No.9798209]

http://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/l389863456

Can anyone identify this Meta skirt? Name or at least the year of it's release? I couldn't find anything on lolibrary and ive been a religous follower of Meta since I got into lolita in 2008 and I dont think I'd miss the release of something so beautiful, so it has to be something older then that. I love all of Meta's older stuff. I really wish I had gotten into lolita years before I did.

[Anonymous No.9798226]

>>9797960
Not really

[Anonymous No.9798326]

>>9798209
Margaret/Margarette.

Here's a blue version of the skirt.

Haven't been able to find a date though, sorry. It's definitely older than 2008.

[Anonymous No.9798334]

>>9798326
Definately older. It has an older tag. I bought the same skirt in the same color off of ww a few weeks back.

>>9798326
Damn anon this skirt is so much prettier in blue! Is it up for sale right now or just an older saved image?

[Anonymous No.9798337]

what are your thoughts about brands releasing dresses in an old school recently?
>pic related is from 2014

[Anonymous No.9798348]

>>9798337
Doesn't Metamorphose just do a solid velveteen with white lace release every year? The ones from 2015-2017 were lacking the real old school feel tho, in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.9798353]

>>9798334
Older saved image, sadly!

[Anonymous No.9798390]

>>9798334
They stopped using that tag in 2001; your skirt might be a late 90’s one.

[Anonymous No.9798532]

>>9798226
How? I’ve never seen “sir” used in an ageplay context, but I’ve seen awkward neckbeards use it to sound smart, etc

[Anonymous No.9798541]

>>9798532
How the fuck are neckbeards more cringy than ageplay?

[Anonymous No.9798768]

>>9798541
Where did I say that? All I’m saying is that “sir” isn’t an ageplay term and more just generally cringey

Why are you pushing this so hard? Stop trying to make fetch happen.

[Anonymous No.9798784]

mini dump

[Anonymous No.9798786]

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[Anonymous No.9799074]

>>9797158
okay i figured it had to be

[Anonymous No.9799107]

I find it really interesting that modern old school is so heavily reliant on black x white colorways. On one hand, I know it was a popular colorway for the period and it was very iconic, but on the other hand snaps and magazine from that time were not nearly this monochromatic. Do you think this is a trend that will stick around, or will other colorways become popular as more people get comfortable with the style?

[Anonymous No.9799223]

>>9799107
I do hope to see girls trying things with other colorways and motifs. Some of the more experienced girls use gobelin fabrics and other colors in their coords so it probably does depend on experience and "comfort" in the style.

[Anonymous No.9799228]

>>9798768
Sir is a pretty standart term for your dom in bdsm not just something neckbeards use you moron.

[Anonymous No.9799242]

>>9799228
Since when is bdsm ageplay?

[Anonymous No.9799243]

>>9799242
it's the other way around genius. Ageplay can be a form of BDSM

[Anonymous No.9799249]

>>9798768
>Where did I say that
>more just generally cringey

You literally just said it. And I stand by my opinion that neckbeards are less cringy than ageplay.

[Anonymous No.9799257]

>>9799249
nayrt but maybe learn reading comprehension? she's saying the term is generally cringey to use and used neckbeards who use the term as an example.

for fucks sake you can't actually be this retarded.

[Anonymous No.9799427]

>>9797314
>TFW you work in retail and to address people by Sir/Ma'am

Don't ruin this for me gulls

[Anonymous No.9799480]

>>9799427
Same here. I was always taught to call men Sir.

[Anonymous No.9799538]

>>9799480
>>9799427
it's one thing in retail or business but people get really offended if you call them sir and they aren't like 80 yrs old. I'd be careful

[Anonymous No.9799550]

>>9799538
I rarely notice the men get upset but man the women get pissed if I call them ma'am. Guess that is what I get for being Southern.

[Anonymous No.9799553]

>>9796797
looks like the baby pintuck jsk. although there are a few slight variants and not many pics out there so its hard to tell.

https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-pintuck-jsk-2003

[Campbell No.9800018]

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this is cosplay not lolita. I wish people stopped confusing the two jesus

[Anonymous No.9800020]

>>9800018
sage for bait

[Anonymous No.9800021]

>>9800018
Shut the fuck up and gtfo, faggot.

[Anonymous No.9800216]

>>9800018
I can recommend you some good movie if you're this bored, Pusso. or whatever you name is

[Campbell No.9800355]

>>9800216
oh ya like what

[Anonymous No.9800433]

>>9799538
I've never had this happen to me, then again most of my customers are dirty immigrants

[Anonymous No.9800459]

>>9799538

I work in a fairly hick state and people respond well to Sir. Ma'am is seen as kind of weird though.

[Anonymous No.9800825]

>>9799107
I think it's like a resurgence of black and white....also a lot of newer lolitas can't recognise anything else as being old school

[Anonymous No.9801026]

>>9800018
I can't tell if bad bait or if someone is really this new.

[Anonymous No.9801036]

>>9798532
Where the fuck have you been living that you've only heard the word sir by neckbeards? It's pretty standart way to adress a man where I'm from.

[Anonymous No.9801047]

I post my stuff to CoF specifically to come here and get crit. I know people won't give it on Facebook, and I wouldn't mind if someone gets salty on my outfit as long as someone gives me genuine critique. So far I haven't had any crit or any circlejerking about my coords, even ones I've been super proud of. So I guess I'm average, which is a shame.

[Anonymous No.9801227]

>>9801047
>says comes here for crit
>says being average is a shame
I have a feeling the first one isn't your only reason. I can tell because I do the same and honestly, I like the attention. It's not like you will get super good crit even here if your coord's base is decent and half of the comments will be useless for progress anyway.

Can we just let this thread die and make a new one? This one is such a waste.

[Anonymous No.9801300]

>>9796990
I love more obscure brands, my favorite is Cornet.

[Anonymous No.9801564]

Almost all of the old school sweet street snaps I see use white shoes,but would it be a faux pas to use color coordinated shoes(given that they are an old-school model)?
Also,now that Bodyline is returning,which shoes are your favourite old-school shoes?(apart from the rockinghorses)

[Anonymous No.9801665]

My personal favourite coord using an old-school piece. I know the styling isn't old school but the careful mix of old and new is aesthetically pleasing to me.

[Anonymous No.9801683]

>>9801665
Yeah no. This is a 2014 release there is nothing oldschool about it. Maybe if it was one of the solid black or white rachel lace rereleases, otherwise no. Not even close.

[Anonymous No.9801726]

>>9801227
Maybe don't continue derailing and add something that will bring it back on track, and the thread will stop being a waste?

>>9796916
I adore this photo so much, I just keep coming back to it and staring at it longingly. I feel like red is so underappreciated in the oldschool threads.

[Anonymous No.9801760]

>>9797612
It’s Miho Matsuda x Devil May Cry

[Anonymous No.9802012]

Would any anons be willing to give me some concrit on this old school capsule wardrobe I'm building? This is what I have so far, I'm mostly feeling weak on accessories.
I already plan to add:
-BtSSB Ribbon Heart Bag in red x white
-Maxicimam Very Very Sweet Blouse in black (Same one pictured in white here)
-White drawers
-Black pannier
-Probably white shoes?
I don't particularly need a coat, because I live someplace hot. I appreciate any suggestions you have. Will also post some old school GLB scans shortly as tax.

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>>9802012
this looks more like a regular wardrobe of a person without shopping impulses than a capsule wardrobe. its really nice though, red is a great colour

[Anonymous No.9802218]

>>9802012

If you have long hair, I'd add a few smaller bows, ie- ribbon combs or ribbon hair clips. Useful for twintails, ponytails and braids as alternative hairdos. There's also that one btssb rabbit-eared bonnet that a bunch of girls seemed to go crazy for back in the day, if that's your thing.

I'd also suggest adding a couple of OTKs, since most of these seem to be UTKs and one pair of tights. Not for the period-accuracy, just to have the choice to swap them out if you happen to get a skirt in that's a bit too short or doesn't seem to work with UTKs.

I don't think old school had a lot of lolita-specific jewellery happening, but a pair of wristcuffs to wear with the short-sleeeved stuff works better than bracelets, and if you don't already have them, the blouses that have open necklines could do with some lace chokers.

[Anonymous No.9802295]

i was very happy with this outfit. though i didn't know the shoes are replica. concrit is welcome.

[Anonymous No.9802301]

>>9802295
This is cute. I would add some hair accessories and jewelry, unless it was purposeful to not wear any. Maybe some hair accessories as well

[Anonymous No.9802349]

>>9802295
I love this! The wig color is perfect and I think the skirt and blouse combo suits you well. I would personally swap the shoes for something else, as the skirt is not old old old school you could pick something Baby-style with decorative roses. I like the headdress and rose motifs but I have had that same one and I had to give it away because it matched nothing but it's not distracting here. I have a feeling this could also work with bonnet but I'm not sure - maybe if you want to twist things a bit?

[Anonymous No.9802425]

>>9796900
Same desu. I kinda respect lolitas less who only got into old school in 2016 and later.

[Anonymous No.9802456]

>>9802349
thank you. do you think some necklace or rosary with a long chain will look good with this blouse's neckline?
>>9802301
thank you. i was thinking about this meta shoes, will they do?

[Anonymous No.9802464]

>>9802456
ooo girl yes. get those!
>>9802301
....? you suggest hair accessories twice. did you not see the maxi pad HD? you're drunk anon.

[Anonymous No.9802477]

>>9802425
Not everyone posts their photos online anon. How would you even know? I wear oldschool frequently because it's nice casual wear, but i dont bother posting them. Ive been wearing lolita for years and i think i have only 4 photos of my old school coords in the past 3 years.

[Anonymous No.9802526]

Hey seagulls, there is some beautiful stuff new on Wunderwelt today! I was thinking about buying some old AP florals but they are sold out already. Did anyone here get them?

[Anonymous No.9802573]

>>9802167
Thanks, I like red a lot too. It can be surprisingly versatile!
>>9802218
Thank you, I appreciate the suggestions! Those will help a lot.

[Anonymous No.9802976]

Who else is excited to see Ophelia's video on what to/not to wear in old school? Any points you hope to see or specific themes you want to learn about?

[Anonymous No.9802985]

>>9802976
I've sent in a coord of mine so honestly I'm looking forward to receiving feedback on it, especially concrit. I love my comm but they usually don't offer honest criticism and I'd really like to improve.

[Anonymous No.9802999]

How do you make old school your personal style? I sometimes feel like I'm just copying old snaps (even if it's not the same items). I also think a lot of new old school coords I see online are kind of interchangeable (they look great but don't show the persons individual style)

[Anonymous No.9803002]

>>9802295
>didn't know the shoes are replica
Whenever you see cheap bag or shoes with a cute design, it is a replica.

[Anonymous No.9803010]

>>9802999
Exactly the same way you'd make any style your own: Add your own twist on things; pick a motif or color or theme or something, anything, that you like and add it to your coord to change it a bit; wear things you think are cute in theory, maybe it'll look like shit in practice but don't be afraid to try and make mistakes; think of an idea or feeling or "atmosphere" that you want your coord to have and aim for that.
It's a bit too complex to explain in words but it boils down to wearing things that you like, to express yourself. It's okay to take inspiration from old street snaps but don't feel like you have to stick by them to make your coord genuine. Imo you'll look more genuine if you try to express yourself rather than follow specific patterns or "rules".

[Anonymous No.9803800]

I'd get this, but I hate pink
2003 BtSSB Alice OP - pink x offwhite
https://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/brandear/26151357.html

[Anonymous No.9804294]

>>9802038
the lace on the dress on the right
hnnnnnnnnnngh

[Anonymous No.9804299]

>>9802999
Yeaaa. I just pick out the stuff I like! I'm an oldschooler but I don't like the black and white outfits. A lot of my stuff is gingham and tartan, and I'm an oldschool-country fan. I don't even need to buy black and white! My purchases are few and far between, but I don't mind working years and years to amass a wardrobe I like.

[Anonymous No.9804300]

>>9804294
or wait, edit: I guess it's a blouse!

[Anonymous No.9804541]

>>9802295
Source on the wig? It's really natural!

[Anonymous No.9804554]

>>9804294
>>9804300
No, it's definitely an OP: https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-heart-lace-shirring-op

[Anonymous No.9804610]

>>9804541
it's bodyline in pinkbrown. the color looks nice, but the wig itself is very stiff.

[Anonymous No.9805983]

This thread is my first exposure to Lolita style. Girl world both fascinates and terrifies me.

[Anonymous No.9805986]

>>9805983
>hurr durr i'm a MALE
Get the fuck out, worm.

[Anonymous No.9806050]

>>9805983
Enjoy the ride. Just don't be annoying idiot posting
>male here
everytime you visit.

[Anonymous No.9806121]

>>9802039
Not a doggo person but my fuck is that adorable

[Anonymous No.9807197]

found some old delicious Meta but I'm on a self-imposed spending halt.

https://item.mercari.com/jp/m79659780666/
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m80890884457/
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m93939325226/

>also, AP Note skirt
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m30067983124/

>kazuko ogawa feather bag
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m96541164442/

>b&w Elizabeth op for 45k
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m93420990891/

[Anonymous No.9807273]

>>9802012
I think capsule is usually around 5 or 6 main pieces?? Personally the ivory/ offwhite stuff is throwing the flow of the whole thing for me, it doesn't look right next to the pure whites..??

But mine isn't much better at the moment, so I can't say shit.. Its so hard choosing only a few pieces, but I'm desperately wanting to downsize.. Would also appreciate concrit!

[Anonymous No.9807287]

>>9807273
>that cape
hnnng
I love capes so much lately. They make winter enjoyable. Just bought the one in the picture in black x white a few days ago.

[Anonymous No.9807292]

>MAM gobelin jsk
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m52939401397/

[Jim No.9807315]

Where can I find one of these maid lolita outfit? I want to buy something cheap but nice for my gf. thanks

[Anonymous No.9807319]

>>9807315
I heard milanoo.com as some cheap lolita maid outfits, Jim.

[Jim No.9807322]

>>9807319
>milanoo.com
don't bait me like that ever again. I want something cheap but also authentic JSK Jumperskirts. Something that wold look hot on my gf.

[Anonymous No.9807330]

>>9807322
http://bodyline.co.jp/en/costume598.html

here you go ya piece of shit

[Anonymous No.9807331]

>>9807322
why, what are you going to do about it?
wrong thread, Jimbo.
no one will help you here.
there's no such thing as a maid-style jumperskirt-jumperskirt.

your second mistake is being a cheapass. get her cosplay stuff if she's not a lolita.
only acceptable maid stuff is Milky Ange, but that's high-tier and clearly too rich for your blood.

[Anonymous No.9807333]

>>9807273
The ivory/white thing is intentional; I love how they look together.

If you're looking to downsize, maybe ditch the plastic jewelry? It seems a few years too new compared to the rest of your wardrobe. Everything else looks nicely balanced!

[Anonymous No.9807337]

>>9807273
the only thing i truly hate about this is your shoe choices, they look like cheap cosplay shoes. try to look at some of the brands girls actually wore in old school and go from there

[Anonymous No.9807345]

>>9807322
>don't bait me like that
>Something that wold look hot on my gf
Who is baiting who here? Like the other anon said, fuck off you tasteless pleb.

[Jim No.9807350]

>>9807330
That's not bad but not frilly enough imo. Although the link and site looks authentic, I was thinking maybe a JSK brand lolita outfit since I see people talking about that brand a lot. btw it's rood to call someone names after helping them out so you will not receive a ty from me.
>>9807331
I asked for maid LOLITA not some milky ange cosplay shit you weeb. I'm not spending $400 on a dress just to fudge my gf in ty.

[Anonymous No.9807354]

>>9807350
nah.

[Jim No.9807366]

You know what I'm just going to find an outfit in the dream dress thread. I'm going to make a porno with her in that dress and upload it to a porn site. That way people are going to associate lolita fastion as a fetish. Have fun going to your tea parties now. When you see normies staring at you and your friends you're going to ask yourself. Are they staring at us because of what Jim did?

p.s I'm going to burn the dress when I'm done and upload it to youtube

[Anonymous No.9807369]

>>9807366
LOL youre not the first lolita porn, sorry fucker

[Anonymous No.9807370]

>>9807366
Good luck with that Jim, if you don't even know how to buy from Milky Anges website. Now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.9807371]

>>9807366
you're not going to get far.
I'm dying!

[Anonymous No.9807380]

>>9807322
Lolita is not what you wear to look "hot".
You must be confused.

[Anonymous No.9807389]

>>9807350
JSK is not a brand it's just short for jumperskirt dumb-dumb

[Anonymous No.9807560]

>>9807333
Anon, yes! I mix my white and ivory oldschool pieces.

[Anonymous No.9807681]

>>9807333
Oh thank you! Do you have any recommendation what to replace it with? I'm more meaning to downsize the clothing itself as that is the stuff that no longer fits in my wardrobe

>>9807337
Confession.. they are cheap nasty cosplay shoes. Could you recommend some brands that are still doing oldschool style shoes..? I have been looking at the few that pop up on the auction sites, but every time they do they are either tiny or completely destroyed..

I know Demonia do some usable ones, but I know they also have a reputation for being overpriced and cheaply made.

[Anonymous No.9807709]

>>9807681
Not a lot of stock but these look truly oldschool in every color except red

http://www.babyssb.co.jp/onlinestore/b41sh861/

[Anonymous No.9807713]

>>9807273
Do you know what the op second to last on the first row is called? I own it but I’ve never been able to figure out the name

[Anonymous No.9807759]

>>9807681
ngl, demonias aren't that bad if you take care of them.
Mine were $60CAD and I've had them for 2/3 years and I only had to replace the elastic on one side bc I have a gait problem.

[Anonymous No.9807885]

>>9807681
demonia are actually really great. also try yosuke or take a look at some glbs and see what brands are listed in the rundowns and then try to find them on fril or Y!J

[Anonymous No.9807894]

So does anyone else call her "Our queen, Ophelia, grandmaster of old school. Virtuoso of japanese auctions, and a prodigy of posing for street snaps." or is that just me? /s

[Anonymous No.9807989]

>>9807894
Spot the jealous one.

[Anonymous No.9807990]

>>9807681
If you buy from Taobao check out Angelic Imprint, they do some very nice simple Mary Jane platforms.

[Anonymous No.9808215]

>>9807894
She's just a girl who wears old school style. Don't be a fucking creep.

[Anonymous No.9808430]

>>9807894
Are you trying to shitstir here or something?

Anyways, I like this girl.
She does old school really well, I've been wearing Lolita since 2003 and she made me fall in love with old school all over again when I was at the point of wanting to leave the fashion.

[Anonymous No.9808446]

>>9796483
She always looks like a gothic doll, I love her.

[Anonymous No.9808516]

>>9807709
>>9807759
>>9807885
>>9807990

Thanks! Ill have to check out Angelic Imprint again! I also forgot entirely about Yosuke, I actually own a few non-lolita shoes from them which I love!

>>9807713
Angelic Pretty - Pintuck Ribbon Dress.
2006

[Anonymous No.9808542]

>>9807681
Demonia are hit and miss imo. I have some platform mary janes and platform boots that have been going strong since 2012 (I've had to repaint the patent leather but nothing else) and others where I had to reglue multiple times in the first year of use before I gave up. Weirdly the ones that lasted the best I bought on special...

[Anonymous No.9808732]

>>9808446
right?!? I love reading her blog too. I dream to run into her one of these times I visit the city and just pick her brain about the look and music she likes.
I feel like she'd be a great lolita friend.
either that, or I'm a weirdo admirer. yikes, hope I'm not a weirdo...


speaking of taobao, does anyone else get blocked by an incessant sign-in box anytime you try to view all items (all baby lol) in a shop? I just want to browse to add shoes to my ss cart but the world.taobao makes items invisible unless I sign in.

[Anonymous No.9808822]

>>9808732
>>9808446
I smell selfpost

[Anonymous No.9808833]

>>9808822
then you have no nose anon.
she really pulls out iconic old school gothic with a visual kei flavor that I really like. she also handmakes a lot of her accessories and stuff. I really admire her.

your cynicism is embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.9808859]

>>9796164
Since this is an old-school thread I was wondering if anyone bought these melissa vivienne RHS shoes andif you did could you tell me the fit on them. do they run big or small I have mixed reviews on them.

[Anonymous No.9808895]

>>9808833
Nayrt but sometimes when my fav oldschool lolita gets posted I don't say anything because I'm afraid I'll egg on exactly those types of people

[Anonymous No.9808896]

>>9807894
not just u anon, I just Don't Know How She Does It

[Anonymous No.9808897]

>>9808822
people are allowed to like things.

[Anonymous No.9808914]

>>9796300
this is peak old school replicated, even the filter (?) looks early 90s-mid 00s
>>9796502
this reminds me a lot of mana in old glbs, i love it
>>9796697
I feel like the ringlets need to be spread out more (it looks like she brought them all forward) but otherwise I love
>>9796700
super creative?? has that cool oldschool vampy vibe
>>9796702
headbow doesnt match and it bugs me
>>9796704
not sure how i feel about the ponytail
>>9796706
>>9796705
i love this so much
>>9796709
honestly I hate this, idk what it is
>>9796726
she reminds me of those living dead dolls
>>9796736
I love this girl's coords, I wish she got more love
>>9796742
This has a good oldschool vibe
>>9796753
god i love her
>>9796759
why does no one wear those bonnets anymore?? I love them

[Anonymous No.9808952]

>>9808859

Last time it was brought up someone said the shoes don't really hold to your legs, even the ribbons were kind flimsy, so they were difficult to walk in as the shoes keep falling off. It put me off buying a pair, I might save up for the real deal instead.

[Anonymous No.9808968]

>>9808822
I smell jelly

[Anonymous No.9809072]

>>9807989
>>9808215
was joke but ok

[Anonymous No.9809233]

>>9809072
ok

[Anonymous No.9809236]

>>9809072
If you think saying aomething like that is funny then you're a creepy fuck and no better then the people who scared Milky Fawn away from the fashion.

[Anonymous No.9809325]

>>9796171
>>9796293
A lot of the people in these threads do exactly that. It's like are trying to be the lolitas from the 90s, instead of just wearing the same style but still dressing like themselves.

[Anonymous No.9809354]

>>9809325
I find my oldschool coords turn out better when I have fewer pieces available e.g. I should really do laundry. It forces me to make do with what I have and treat outfits more as creative outlets of self-expression as opposed to picture perfect week long-planned ensembles. Makes lolita as a whole feel way more wearable as well.

[Anonymous No.9809396]

I admire the bright pastels in old school cords, similar to fairy kei. It seems that pale pastels are taking over and it's hard to find 80's bright pastel colors in coords nowadays :/

[Anonymous No.9809429]

>>9808952
>I might save up for the real deal instead.
??
Westwood rhs ARE "the real deal". Im not sure what other brand you could be referring to.

[Anonymous No.9809438]

>>9809429
Pretty sure anon is referring to the original leather RHS; the ones posted upthread are the cheaper rubber Melissa collab version.

[Anonymous No.9809461]

>>9809429
Yup, agree with >>9809438
Pretty sure that's what rhs op meant.
The leather & wood sole version is much more valuable.
These rubber ones are cheaper, but they lack the elegance the leather/wood has imo.
That's why the original sells for so much even 2ndhand.
I don't like the rubber ones much anyway, especially with old school, they just look out of place.

[Anonymous No.9809467]

>>9809461
I want the rubber ones to wear with the Meta PVC dress

[Anonymous No.9809550]

Requesting hair style inspo for rectangle headdress

[Anonymous No.9809585]

>>9809550
I'd dump a bunch but it might be way more fun for you to look through the magazine scans here
>http://www.lolitahistory.com/gallery/index.php?/category/1

[Anonymous No.9809609]

>>9799538
Depends on where you live.

[Anonymous No.9809614]

>>9801726
I have this jsk in the black colourway and it's perfect. The matching headdress is a grail piece I doubt I'll ever find.

[Anonymous No.9809626]

I adore Sable. Her style is fun and fearless!

[Anonymous No.9809633]

>>9808914

[Anonymous No.9809639]

>>9808914
Nobody cares

[Anonymous No.9809859]

Does anyone know where to find shoes like the ones Kana wears here? I already tried antainai but couldn't find them.

[Anonymous No.9810239]

Can any of you go to this? >>9810238

[Anonymous No.9810558]

>>9810239
Shit, I wish. That sounds fascinating. I hope reports of this exhibit surface online at some point.

[Anonymous No.9810630]

>>9810558
If you kept an eye on second hand listings and especially mercari in the last year, there's nothing new to see for you. It's a display of hauls she could barely afford and an excuse to make people fund her wardrobe.

[Anonymous No.9810631]

>>9810630
How do you know? Why are brands and shop supporting her

[Anonymous No.9810679]

>>9810631
I've been following her for a while and recognized her mercari name. She constantly asks for payment plans and reductions on already cheap items in the comments and has a habit of butting in the sales talk of other buyers, then offering to pay more if the seller reserves it for her until the end of the month or another period of time and asking the seller to delete her comments once everything is done. She bought big brand packages and other cheap things on yahoo auctions and then resold them for 3x - 5x.
Brands and shops don't support her, the "museum" is completely crowd funded. Somebody wrote a comment under her project page saying they'd love to donate but they'd like to know how exactly the money is used. She answered she'll state that in a later phase of the project but then deleted both comments a few days later. She also deletes her tweets quite often.

[Anonymous No.9810711]

>>9810679
I was referring to the brands and shops who retweeted her, basically advertising her ''museum''

[Anonymous No.9810718]

>>9810679
>>9810631
>>9810630
Who is it?

[Anonymous No.9810721]

>>9810718
lapis_child, at least that's what in the filename

[Anonymous No.9810735]

>>9810711
They probably don't know about her and just want to support a lolita event. I mean the idea of a lolita museum itself is nice.

>>9810718
りタソプロフ必読 on mercari and lapis_child on twitter but she only recently changed her name. Before that it was a weird random mix of letters and numbers.

[Anonymous No.9811347]

>>9796502
Love this coord by I hate this wig everyone in oldschool has been buying for a ringlet wig lately, it just looks so limp with the loose curls.

[Anonymous No.9811364]

>>9796502
What do you mean by modern old school?

[Anonymous No.9811394]

>>9811347
Combing it out transforms it into a perfect fluff cloud of curls. The fringe didn't have nearly enough hair and it lacked volume in general imo, I cut off the first curls to get more fringe hair
>>9811364
nayrt but I assume anon meant that while the coord is kinda oldschool, the picture is from 2017 making it contemporary
>>9796652
I'm sure you meant well but doing this in literally any other thread on cgl would've opened a can of worms

[Anonymous No.9811610]

>>9811394
That's good to know about the wig, ty!

[Anonymous No.9814089]

>tfw spent too much this month already
Someone please grab this before I do:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-35605

[Soup No.9815232]

where can I buy a maid outfit for my gf to start her lolita collection?

[Anonymous No.9815235]

>>9815232
in hell where you belong

[Soup No.9815265]

>>9815235
rude

[Anonymous No.9815273]

>maid outfit

[Anonymous No.9817290]

Wasn't someone looking for this dress in a previous thread? It's up on WW!

[Anonymous No.9817332]

>>9815232
tired bait
go be cheap & annoying somewhere else. preferably here >>9800954

anyway, I want pic related so badly. I'm worried I'll never find it...

[Soup No.9817347]

>>9817332
Hey that's the cosplay I just got for my gf!! she's going to wear it on our cruise to compliment my luffy cosplay. :0

[Anonymous No.9817348]

>>9817347
fuck off and stop pretending you have a girlfriend

[Anonymous No.9817357]

Will you guys stop eating bait and post coords?

[Anonymous No.9817364]

>>9817357

[Anonymous No.9817368]

>>9817364

[Anonymous No.9817370]

>>9817368

[Anonymous No.9817371]

>>9817370
I personally love the outfit on the right

[Anonymous No.9817373]

>>9817371
End dump

[Anonymous No.9817441]

>>9817371
anyone know the shoes brands? the left look like koji kuga but ive never found anything like the ones on the right

[Anonymous No.9817450]

>>9817441
Left says Barcode, right says Koji Kuga.

[Anonymous No.9817886]

https://item.mercari.com/jp/m89856084477/

[Anonymous No.9817887]

>>9817332
I found a girl wearing this on tumblr and the coord was so meh. I feel you anon, I want this dress bad too. If I see it when I'm broke I'll link it to the dream dress thread anyway so at least one of us gulls gets it

[Anonymous No.9817916]

>>9817887
I actually just saw that and it made me so happy to see it worn. the coord was pretty cute actually. I'm trying to keep calm and think straight but I want it so badly...

I've been looking for it for a few years...and I might have to (politely) fight you for it haha
>nervous laughter

[Anonymous No.9817928]

>>9817373
These don't look too different from modern classic. Cool.

[Anonymous No.9817930]

>>9796752
>mirror images
Why do people do this? It looks ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.9817932]

>>9817373
Anon I think this one must have been an accident because they're definitely not old school, though I do like their coords

[Anonymous No.9817933]

>>9796753
Walmart-kei.

[Anonymous No.9817948]

>>9817930
Outfit shots tend to be long, so mirroring them puts them in a neat square like Instagram prefers. I think they're visually neat, personally.

[Anonymous No.9817951]

>>9800355
Meet the Feebles.

[Anonymous No.9817975]

>>9817948
I can definitely see that. Thanks for the perspective!

[Anonymous No.9818673]

>>9802976
where did she post about making this video? I'd love to contribute in some way/ask her questions if it's not too late.

[Anonymous No.9818889]

>>9817373
Somebody ask jun-nyan what happened to choco-nyan shes my absolute idol I love her so much

[Anonymous No.9818896]

>>9818889
I was gonna do a photo dump but then realized the thread is near death, so maybe next thread.

[Anonymous No.9819088]

Ophelia's video on how to wear oldschool is online!

[Anonymous No.9819109]

>>9819088
I appreciate her effort to define what old school is, despite it being mostly based on a general "feeling"/"vibe" of the aesthetic rather than something specific that can be put into words. I hope to see more dissection of coords in the next part.

[Anonymous No.9819289]

>>9819088
It was ok but I feel like she's actually a little too picky at some points. "I can't recall a plain heart bag, esp one that big". Like...it's clearly the BTSSB heart bag that's backwards? Just think a little critically? She seems very set in, "if it's not in an old photo it shouldn't be in the coord ever", which meh, ofc studying old Fruits is great for inspo, but it's not a law book, man.

[Anonymous No.9819292]

>>9818889
These two remind me of 831acre on Instagram

[Anonymous No.9819333]

>>9819289
She seems incredibly obsessive about it sometimes.

[Anonymous No.9819418]

>>9796708
fuck, this has been my dream dress since I first got into lolita. I really want the black colorway though. SIGH

[Anonymous No.9819520]

>>9796733
I want that bunny bag in both white and black SO MUCH.

[Anonymous No.9819534]

>>9819289
I agree about being picky, it did seem at times that her definition of oldschool is pretty narrow. However, she does disclaim that it's her subjective opinion and other opinions have the right to exist, so? It's not like she's saying everyone who thinks otherwise should go die or something.
I kind of agree with how she suggests making a distinction between modern "post-oldschool" which you can really take in any direction you like, and "true oldschool" which is emulating exactly how lolita was worn back in the old days, in which her method of studying old photos and doing it the way they did it seems completely justified.

I liked the video, even though I don't agree with some of the points made, you gotta admit her approach is working for her, seeing how even her coords she herself criticizes and says she wants to remake still look fucking bomb.

[Anonymous No.9819566]

>>9819534
Ofc it's her subjective opinion and I have no issue with that, but given she's like, a pinnacle of the old school community right now I'm just wary of these rigid standards coming into play. I think the obvious loose rules (gold shoes are a no), and distinction between modern old school inspired lolita vs more authentic emulation are good, useful distinctions to learn, but things like "you would never see this many brooches in old school" are unnecessary distinctions to me as long as they don't detract from the overall feel of the coord. The old GLBs also sometimes play very fast and loose with the rules and lines between lolita and other subgenres fashion. They say in things like art and writing, "once you know the rules you can break them" as in, once you get a good feel for something, then you know when and where you can experiment, and I think that also applies here. IMO there are some coords that aren't 100% authentic that understand the vibe of old school a thousand times better than a coord made entirely of pre-2005 BTSSB items. I would rather see those and not have them cut in this weird distinction of "this isn't 100% authentic". I enjoy the old school community because it's not nearly as nitpicky as other places in my experience, and I don't want that to change, is all.

[Anonymous No.9819570]

>>9819289
Yeah that was actually a mistake on my part, I didn’t realise it was that Baby bag until I’d finished editing and it was too late. My comment actually still stands in reference to a different coord that was submitted and will be in the second part. Small details make a big difference to the overall coord though.

[Anonymous No.9819642]

>>9819570
And? Not saying they don't, it just depends on what the detail is.

[Anonymous No.9819655]

>>9819534
I've been into this fashion since 2004 and honestly it feels weird to have someone so young calling the shots on what details are or aren't possible in old school. While I do agree with a few points (gold shoes), I feel like the video could have been made in a much more constructive way instead of what feels like an unintentional roast. Ultimately Ophelia wasn't around harajuku in the naughties, she wasn't even online back then, she was a kid. She only knows so much from fruits, research and personal experience with the style which is what we have available now besides nostalgia. No one can really call the shots on what is or isn't proper old school to a T, we have a basic knowledge, photos, nostalgia, that's it. That's why I think these types of videos just don't work. Out of all photos and old sites and old dresses, the one thing you can't study is the style mentality of that time and space, which is lost forever because we live in 2018 not 2004.

[Anonymous No.9819660]

>>9819655
I agree. Some strict rules are against the spirit of old school lolita. I’ve been in the fashion since 2006 and my country lived the old school era for a few more years (compared to other countries). If you look at fruits or very old snaps, it looks like people used to choose “randomly” what to wear. Yeah, they followed the basic rules (not always) but the style was more free. Plus, needing a proof from the past for every coord you create shows how Ophelia isn’t confident with the style at all (I’m talking about her last post on cof). That’s why I still refuse to see her as a muse for the old school style.

[Anonymous No.9819665]

>>9819655
>>9819660
To add to both of this, just a few years back she was a raging pastel bodyline ita. I like her coords now, but i dont understand all the hype and its really bizzare shes trying to become an old school guru

[Anonymous No.9819668]

>>9819665
>shes trying to become an old school guru
I agree with everything said above but I honestly think she just tried to be helpful, since people do seem to ask her a lot of questions and treat her like some kind of guru.

[Anonymous No.9819672]

I like almost every substyle of lolita but I get almost frantic about collecting old school pieces because I know we can never return to that/brands will not make things truly of that style ever again. Especially since some of those brands are done-zo and gone.

I kind of dig this idea that old school is basically historical dress.
In this light, I understand the commitment to accuracy. there's plenty room to be creative and experiment, as long as you're using what was available at that time. makes sense.
I remember that Misako video and her presentation of "traditional" style. it spoke to me because it's close to my first exposure to the fashion: a western gothic clothing site that was creating their own lolita pieces in 2005 with a dark, fairy tale, doll sort of foundation. Of course, I thought it was just a substyle of goth and had no idea it was its own named alt fashion in Japan.

This helps me going forward to differentiate my trad style from actually trying for a true old school coord.

[Anonymous No.9819674]

>>9819655
If you really have been around that long, I'm genuinely a lot more curious about what you wear and how you feel "old-school" should look/feel than Ophelia. How can we bring an old school sensibility into our modern style? Is it enough to be less strict and planned about coords and be more casual and comfortable with how we dress if we wear lolita day to day? Or is it more about hunting down genuine pieces and coording them according to what we see in old pictures?

[Anonymous No.9819679]

>>9819655
age has nothing to do with it, anon. she's clearly put the time and energy into the substyle. don't begrudge her of her knowledge.
I think she's very right to suggest looking to old snaps and brand catalogs for what pieces to wear. old school isn't just a style, it's very set in the time. you can't disregard that. I'd look to her about old school, the same way I'd look to gropealope about 17th & 18th century European fashion.
sure, she's clearly a purist, as am I about certain things I'm very passionate about, but I agree with the sentiment to say something isn't old school because of a few off elements.
just like saying a coord isn't pure gothic because of excessive bow accessories & the lace of a main piece has hearts all over it.

do what you like, but be prepared to hear someone give you crit if you post online.

[Anonymous No.9819709]

I don't wear lolita anymore (found it around 2003-2004, quit 2012), But honestly.. just listening visual kei, watching older animes, looking photos of Mary Pickford makes me want to wear old school lolita again. So I think the media we surrounded ourselves with played big role in the 'vibe'. Idk why visual kei isn't mentioned more often, it was crazy popular back then. You don't really get to the old school mood by listening k-pop lol.

[Anonymous No.9819722]

>>9819709
Can confirm, I draw a lot of inspiration for my personal style from visual kei.

[Anonymous No.9819732]

I feel like Ophelia has a good understanding of what makes a good old school coord but she is clearly struggling to get her point accross. I wouldn't be any better in it and it's really hard to put into words but I feel like the video lacked a bit of general advicing and focused too much on nit picking few coords. I would rather hear general advising than crit of coords I would never wear. For example, she went pretty long about the striped socks, when it could have actually been an example of how small details affect on the look and the feel of the whole coordinate rather than a full topic.

I think she made good points though, like the term traditional lolita. But at the same time as someone who has not lived out the old school era it's a bit hard to jump right into the perfect old school mode. It would feel kinda bad to be judged wheter or not I'm enough old school when I think the main point is one is aiming for the look and trying to understand the whole mentality behind it. I already feel like an imposter sometimes allthough I just happen to like older things and styling in older coords.

The video would also benefit from her defining old school. Like what she views as old school. I have seen these threads have a wide range of opinions and some think old school ended as early as 2003 and most 2005-2006. There is a big difference between 2000 and 2005 in, for example, general frumpiness. I'm also often inspired by the advertisements which generally seem a lot neater.

However, I must say I enjoyed the video and got inspired by it. I think I got few good tips to use in my coords and it's always nice to view old school content.

[Anonymous No.9819744]

>>9819732

My program director/boss calls this 'the pornography rule.'

>I can't describe it, but I know it when I see it

and maybe that makes it difficult. That's what this discussion and her video kind of reminds me of.

[Anonymous No.9819750]

>>9819709
Second confirm, listening to vk instantly teleports me back to the feeling I had wearing lolita 11 years ago.

[Anonymous No.9819798]

>>9819732
Can someone post the goddamn video?

[Anonymous No.9819803]

>>9819798
Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c7LIoinvD0

[Anonymous No.9819805]

>>9819732
Isn't the coord with the stripes socks an exact copy of one Ophelia wore? So really she's just nitpickicng someone for not being her and having her exact pieces

[Anonymous No.9819807]

>>9819805
If you watched the entire video, you would have seen that she'd shown the similar coord that she's worn, explained how the same points are applicable to it too, and how she intends to improve it next time.

[Anonymous No.9819862]

>>9819807
I guess I just don't get it, her points seems so confusing. Don't be too perfect but then she obsesses over perfection in stuff

[Anonymous No.9819864]

>>9819807
Although true the coords were not great though. I am just getting tired of how popular oldschool is becoming and that people are obsessed with looking a certain way.
The whole idea of a video on how to look oldschool is crazy

[Anonymous No.9819913]

>>9819864
What makes it crazy? The look has become popular and many people don't quite pull it off, I wouldn't be surprised if Ophelia got requests for a guide like this considering the fact many people love her style.
It's not a perfect guide but it's really not that big a deal.
>I am just getting tired of how popular oldschool is becoming
Imo if many people start wearing old school, I'd be happier to see them actually put an effort into understanding the aesthetic and pull it off, so while this guide isn't perfect, I'm glad it's being done.

[Anonymous No.9820590]

I felt like I basically understood the video. Sometimes, as >>9819744 said, you just know something when you see it. When I think of the overall old school "aesthetic" it follows this rule like 95% of the time. I agree that she did have trouble articulating her points clearly, but youtube isn't easy. She just needs to do it more until she gets better. Watch old peachie or lor videos (the ones they haven't deleted) and you'll get the idea.

[Anonymous No.9820834]

Some anons a thread or two ago said this is pink was their DD, gogogo!
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m77724567410/

[Anonymous No.9820850]

>>9819864
>I am just getting tired of how popular oldschool is becoming
You must be one of those special non-mainstream people who stop liking a thing if it becomes too popular. Stop being stupid and learn to share.

[Anonymous No.9820869]

>>9819665
do u have pics of this tho

[Anonymous No.9820890]

>>9819655
Jeez I wonder how people study ancient cultures, none of them were alive back then!
Claiming you can't "get" the fashion of a certain period because you were too young back then is the dumbest shit. Yeah, we obviously won't nail the mentality of Japanese teenagers from the 80s, but, like, what if we're not trying to? We just want to dress similarly, and there's enough of visual evidence, as well as interviews, articles, videos, etc. in free public access, so if you're willing to do the research (which O. obviously does, regardless of whether we agree with her conclusions or not), you can get a pretty decent understanding of that time period. Plus it's not that far in the past from our modern time, so you don't need to wrap your head around anything too foreign, like idk Ancient Rome.
I agree with many of the criticisms of the video in this thread, I also wish there was more focus on the discussion of the style itself and less on nitpicking 3 coords. But saying "the entire video doesn't work because she's too young to "get" oldschool" is really stupid and pretentious.

[Anonymous No.9820905]

>>9819665
Calm your tits, troll-chan. Comments like this is why we can't have nice things. Whenever someone tries to make anything remotely useful, shits like you jump all over it bitching and complaining about every small thing. I'm not saying the video is perfect in every way because it's not, and she has stressed that it's just her own opinion, but you prefer to ignore those parts, don't you.
>just a few years back she was a raging pastel bodyline ita
It's not like people can learn, grow and improve over the years, I see how that would be a foreign concept to you lol.

[Anonymous No.9820943]

>>9819732
>someone who has not lived out the old school era it's a bit hard to jump right into the perfect old school mode
Nobody in the west has lived it, certainly not her. Imo it's weird to copy the ''messy/not perfect mindset'' of old school. Those lolitas we see in street snaps did want to look perfect, though some people just made do with what they had. They knew where to be for the street snaps, so they didn't dress up ''just to hang out''. Some of them were in Tokyo in the first place to see a visual kei live, and Kera/GLB would go to those places because they knew people dressed up for these special occassions.

[Anonymous No.9820962]

>>9808859
>>9808952
I loved the Melissa RHS so much that I bought two pairs. Maybe that other girl got the size wrong?

[Anonymous No.9822391]

new bread >>9822363

[Anonymous No.9822699]

>>9820850
Nayrt but i understand what thT anon is saying. Its annoying watching something you allready do amd enjoy get supper popular and hyped up because its "in" and have people nitpick it to death instead of jist enjoy it amd do their thing, like how a lot of it seemed to be like back then. On top of that, the prices of older items skyrocket or generally just get snatched up by scalpers to sell fpr a progit rather then someone who actually enjoys it, whivh in my opinion sucks because if i camt have it id rather see someone who does own it wear it amd take cute pictures rather then rotting in some greedy botches closet. There are a lot of things that suck when certain aspects of an allready niche fashion become "popular" or "trendy"

>>9820869
I'll post them in the ita thread where they belong, i wont shit up this thread. I almost feel bad posting them. I remember her first posts on d_l. I was really rooting for her and glad she improved and found her own style. Though the whole "i invented my own fashion style" phase was kind of weird to watch...

[Anonymous No.9824990]

>>9819803
Ophelia deleted the video before I could watch it, anyone got a mirror?