Post kawaii drag queens

[Anonymous No.9795206]

Kawaii/J-fashion/fairy-kei/decora/Lolita inspired drag.

[Anonymous No.9795207]

>>9795206

[Anonymous No.9795210]

>>9795207

[Anonymous No.9795211]

>>9795206
Is this Kelly Eden?

[Anonymous No.9795213]

>>9795210

[Anonymous No.9795215]

>>9795213

[Anonymous No.9795217]

>>9795211
It’s Trixie Mattel

[Anonymous No.9795218]

>>9795217

[Anonymous No.9795219]

Aja foreva.

[Anonymous No.9795220]

>>9795218

[Anonymous No.9795221]

>>9795219
Yes!!

[Anonymous No.9795223]

>>9795210
>>9795213
>>9795218
>>9795220
Literally using gyaru and lolita as a costume, on top of already using womanhood as a costume

[Anonymous No.9795226]

>>9795223
They are free to do whatever they want anon, there’s female drag queens... chill

[Anonymous No.9795228]

>>9795226
Just because other women who don't mind it or even join them exist, doesn't mean I should accept it

[Anonymous No.9795229]

I don't know why but I find drag queens super off putting. Just seems like it's taking the piss out of femininity and not in a particularly sympathetic way either (not to mention that an actual woman would probably get absolutely slated for looking 'trashy' if she styled herself like >>9795206 for instance, but if a man does it it's okay). Not to mention that all my 'progressive' friends seem to absolutely love this stuff even though nothing about drag seems particularly forward-thinking.

Especially seeing them in lolita stuff like in >>9795220 really turns me off, what I like about lolita is that there's something very sincere about the way it approaches femininity. I don't want to see a 6' tall man put his own 'spin' on it.

Can someone please explain this to me? Every time I've tried to discuss drag with someone irl people were just absolutely incredulous that I don't watch Ru Paul's Drag Race with baited breath.

[Anonymous No.9795236]

>>9795229
http://www.sfu.ca/ipinch/outputs/blog/aotm-drag-queens-and-femininity/

[Anonymous No.9795239]

I like a lot of drag stuff, but combined with jfashion they just look like itas or worse yet, like sissies.

[Anonymous No.9795255]

>>9795229
I did some more searching and found this a reasonable explanation of why she likes the drag shows as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/4zuyrj/rupaul_on_npr_his_idea_of_drag_is_to_fight/d6zcskf/?context=3
I'm really sorry it's on reddit

[Anonymous No.9795262]

>>9795229
Supposedly it's in support of the LGBT community but all the gay men and transwomen I know are super uncomfortable with drag shows, and the only people I know who love it are straight women.

[Anonymous No.9795272]

>>9795262
In my experience they're the same women who also fetishize homosexuality. Sage for OT.

[Anonymous No.9795273]

ITT: Salty over offended tumblr feminists

[Anonymous No.9795275]

>>9795273
tumblr, the place of gay ships, loves drag

[Anonymous No.9795276]

>>9795273
Tumblr "feminists" are the ones always yelling YAAAAAS QUEEN SLAY, anon.

[Anonymous No.9795277]

There is nothing kawaii about any drag queen.

[Anonymous No.9795279]

>>9795276
In my experience, theyre the ones offended over drag queens for reasons stated above.

[Anonymous No.9795284]

>>9795220
This one grosses me out because of the brand.

[Anonymous No.9795288]

>>9795279
I spend a lot of time around tumblr "trans" sjws (for particular reasons) and the vast majority like it.

Also, most of these are fucking hideous. I'm indifferent to normal drag but the lolita ones I don't like because if some normie into drag queens sees these, they'd be her only impression of jfash and lolita.

[Anonymous No.9795292]

>>9795288
I mean the ones Im usually encountering are radfems and terfs anyway, which usually complain about drag queens for apparently appropriating femininity
You seem to have more of that type here then you would think.
Hell, a while ago I had an Anon ree at me for wanting to be a housewife.

[Anonymous No.9795294]

>>9795292
what makes you think people mean radfems/terfs when they complain about tumblr feminists? idiot

[Anonymous No.9795296]

>>9795294
I mean, I was the original ain't on who mentioned it tumblr feminists.
So, yes, that is what I was referring to.

[Anonymous No.9795298]

>>9795229
The same argument could be made for lolita and gyaru. Dressing in lolita and gyaru is an exaggeration of a feminine style. We accentuate a type of female silhouette, style our hair and makeup and add appropriate accessories in order to transform into a lolita or gyaru look.

Men do the same when they drag up, they use padding to obtain a shape and then use outfits and makeup and hair to transform to look like a woman. Men do drag for many reasons, but my understanding is that drag is primarily a performance art. Some men do it because they also enjoy the same things women do and want to participate in that.

If you haven’t done so already, watch Paris is Burning. It’s an old doco about the drag scene but it is still very relevant today. Most of the people interviewed were young, poor gay men who wanted to be someone and expressed this by dressing up in drag at the various events around town.

[Anonymous No.9795299]

>>9795296
Anon not ain't on.

[Anonymous No.9795303]

>>9795296
So when people on 4chan mention tumblr feminists you think they mean radfems? lol I wonder how many others think like you.

[Anonymous No.9795306]

>>9795303
What part of me being the one who brought up Tumblr feminist don't you understand?
You can't keep saying I'm assuming when I'm the one who originally brought it up.
When I, as in me a person specifically, mentioned " ITT Tumblr feminists are offended" I was referring to radfems and terfs.

[Anonymous No.9795309]

>>9795306
It's not really clear which people you mean, since everyone in this thread is offended. I assumed you were referring to the people who do NOT like drag.

[Anonymous No.9795310]

>>9795303
I think people who bring up tumblr feminists are talking about feminists in general, be that terfs or liberal feminists or anything in general, as long as they are stupid feminists that you can find on tumblr.

I remember when feminists on tumblr were hating bronies for "stealing" a cartoon for girls, that's one thing that comes to my mind when people talk about tumblr feminsits.

[Anonymous No.9795317]

Drag Race is a show I enjoy because it's silly, joyful, full of drama, and touches on interesting topics while still being lighthearted. I enjoy it at the end of a busy day. But I think most drag race queens should stay away from lolita and kawaii fashion. Aja and Kim Chi are the only ones who have touched on that aesthetic in a way I like on the show.

[Anonymous No.9795318]

>>9795309
Im referring to the people who are screaming that drag offends them as woman.
>"Using womanhood as a costume"
>"Taking the piss out of feminity"

Which i then clarified that in my experience is what radfems and terfs say against drag queens, which was different than someone who usually envountered sjw "trans" feminists.
>I mean the ones Im usually encountering are radfems and terfs anyway, which usually complain about drag queens for apparently appropriating femininity
The key words are "the ones -i'm- usually encountering."
Emphasis on "i'm" implying personal experience.
I cant beleive this needs to be explained to an adult. Its bsic fucking reading comprehension.
Your bloomers are in such a knot over a tongue in cheek comment.

[Anonymous No.9795319]

>>9795310
when people say tumblr feminists, they mean the (often teenage, but not always) type of feminist that support transtrenders, is against tanning for cosplay, possibly thinks lolita is oppressive because women can wear jeans now, and tries really hard to appear ''woke'' despite being ignorant/not caring about important issues.

[Anonymous No.9795321]

>>9795310
I get being mad about brownies, because it can be so perverse and the amount of grown adults who have turned a kids show into something for them to get their rocks off at is foul. And sure, they're allowed to jerk it to whatever they want, but they are never discreet about it.
But then again that's just my understanding of it. I'm pretty sure drag culture is very deeply rooted with trans culture back in the day, so being mad about that is kind of unnecessary

[Anonymous No.9795325]

>>9795309
>>9795318
As people are trying to explain to you: radical feminists are not tumblr feminists. They can be on tumblr, but that's not what people mean when they say tumblr feminist. They would say radfem.

[Anonymous No.9795326]

>>9795325
Or you know. We all have different perspectives, you myopic bint.

[Anonymous No.9795327]

>>9795326
you can have different perspective about it but it's a meme and people will misunderstand you if you misuse it

[Anonymous No.9795333]

>>9795327
>You can have different perspectives but if it's different than the one I have, it's wrong.
Believe it or not, a lot of other people that I know would have taken it the way that I intended.

[Anonymous No.9795335]

>>9795326
They aren't the same. Tumblr feminists are all about trans trending and hate radfems, who think transgender isn't real and hate men. Think Milo Stewart a year back vs Magdalen Berns. If you wanted to be accurate you could say feminazi but either way you're the one who sounds more triggered than anything

[Anonymous No.9795343]

>>9795223
???
it's funny how you at once try to essentialize gender, but also assert that it's in your clothing
womanhood is not in your clothing, it's in your life.
it isn't possible for a drag queen to wear womanhood. I personally like seeing feminine dress played with.
you just want to see everything as an attack on your identity, when really you're simply a homophobic manhater.
>be honest, anonny

[Anonymous No.9795346]

>>9795333
See, >>9795343 this here is a tumblr feminist.

[Anonymous No.9795352]

>>9795333
for your own sake, just take a few seconds to google tumblr feminism and listen to >>9795319 >>9795346

[Anonymous No.9795470]

>>9795229
Drag is more than clothes, some are performers, others are makeup artists, others design and make their own clothes. There’s some extremely talented people out there and to them it’s not just a hobby, it’s their livelihood.

Drag has contributed to breaking down gender stereotypes, contributed to the arts, dance and fashion and its primarily been a way for gay and effeminate men (and trans women) to express themselves and get paid for it. All you bitches complaining about how it makes you uncomfortable need to sit the fuck down, you down own femininity, gender is dead and live and live.

[Anonymous No.9795631]

Drag is to women what black face is to African Americans. It's disgusting.

[Anonymous No.9795661]

>>9795229
I’m with you anon. The vast majority of them aren’t even talented, no singing, no dancing. There is a shitton of drag in my city and I just do not get the appeal of watching men acting like crazy women walk around on stage and lipsync.

[Anonymous No.9795668]

>>9795631
absofuckinglutely not the same thing lmfao

[Anonymous No.9795672]

>>9795668
>Taking negative steriotypical characteristics of a marginalized group of people
>Creating an over the top character out of those traits
>Passing it off as entertainment

Whatever you say anon

[Anonymous No.9795677]

This whole thread is a mess. It's barely relevant to the board, if at all.

[Anonymous No.9795816]

>>9795672
That’s some serious mental gymnastics desu

Blackface is blatantly racist. Drag is not misogynistic. Not at all the same thing. Drag is a performance art. It’s about blurring the lines of gender or exaggerating it. Talk to any queen and they will mention their appreciation of femininity. Hell many queens find inspiration from the women in their lives. For example Sasha Velour’s style of drag was inspired by her late mother.

[Anonymous No.9795839]

>>9795816

>Performance art
>In 1848, blackfaceminstrelshows were an American national art of the time, translating formal art such as opera into popular terms for a general audience.

>Appreciation for femininity
>"To this day, Whites admire, envy and seek to emulate such supposed innate qualities of Blackness as inherent musicality, natural athleticism, the composure known as 'cool' and superior sexual endowment," a phenomemon he views as part of the history of blackface. For more than a century, when white performers have wanted to appear sexy, (likeElvis); or streetwise, (likeEminem); or hip, (likeMezz Mezzrow); they often have turned to African-American performance styles, stage presence and personas. Pop culture referencing and cultural appropriation of African-American performance and stylistic traditions is a tradition with origins in blackface minstrelsy.

[Anonymous No.9795849]

>>9795211
Don’t insult Trixie like that, fuckbag.

[Anonymous No.9795851]

>>9795219
Aja looks like something tumblr shat out.

[Anonymous No.9795862]

>>9795239
I agree with this and I think it gives more opportunity for lolita to be viewed in a sexual manner. Not saying that drag is “sexual” but it is often associated with the risqué in both appearance and humor.

I think it’s fine for a drag queen to also be interested in lolita fashion or vice versa but it’s more tasteful and just overall more respectful to either community to not let them bleed over into the other.

[Anonymous No.9795870]

>>9795298
Agreed completely.
This documentary is really great, definitely worth a watch if not just for some insight.

[Anonymous No.9795915]

>>9795298
There is a period in history when poor black gay men created a subculture around drag, but that's not how drag started, and that's not what drag is today. Nearly all drag queens I've seen were white. A lot of them also appropriate other cultures when they do drag. Some of them aren't even gay. Women expressing hyper femininity in this age is not even similar to men dressing up as a caricature of women.

[Anonymous No.9795917]

>>9795298
>women wearing hyper-feminine alternative fashion styles that were created by women for women is the same thing as men wearing bastardized versions of these fashions for "entertainment"
>being this delusional

[Anonymous No.9795969]

>>9795631
To be this entitled, fuck your victim complex

[Anonymous No.9795981]

>>9795969
>feeling entitled to womanhood as a woman

[Anonymous No.9795984]

>>9795981
Really anon how dare you not support men parading as a ridiculous, obnoxious stereotype of you? Are you some kind of bigot?

[Anonymous No.9795999]

>>9795984
>>9795981
>>9795917
Thank god I'm not the only one who feels this way. My whole comm is filled with girls obsessed with RPDR who squeal, "YASSS! SLAY QUEEN~!!" all the time.
Those same people will shit on others for blackface and cultural appropriation, then hold up queens on a pedestal.