Inclusitivity or Exclusitivity?

[Anonymous No.9759687]

So this twitter post from... I dunno who this is, but this brings up interesting question.

As cosplayer, do you prefer inclusive community with high risk or bad apples coming in, or do you want exclusitivity with less risk but the hobby becoming more niche than now?

I guess in more simple term,
"Cosplay is for everyone"
Or
"Cosplay is not for everyone"

[Anonymous No.9759694]

>>9759687
I find the tweet a bit weird because I do believe everyone can or is allowed to cosplay, but I may still dislike people doing sexy cosplays. It's about the subgenre/style of cosplays that I dislike. Not the people. The people can easily switch to a normal cosplay if they wanted.

But Alyson Tabbitha is another one of those high people in the cosplay community who thinks that she can speak for the community.

[Anonymous No.9759696]

>>9759687
No one gives a fuck other than some fat cosplayer/fat lolita who didn't fit in and their other cosplayer got more pics than them. Cosplay however the fuck you like if you don't get as much attention as another MAYBE THINK ABOUT HOW YOU LOOK first and if you actually PAID FUCKING ATTENTION to you cosplay.

Do whatever the fuck you want just realize a 400lbs cosplay Kamina won't probably get the same amount of pics and shit as a 170 fit cosplayer. No one will stop you from doing it just fucking grow up.

[Anonymous No.9759702]

>>9759696
>> Cosplay however the fuck you like
>> if you don't get as much attention as another MAYBE THINK ABOUT HOW YOU LOOK first and if you actually PAID FUCKING ATTENTION to you cosplay

See, that's the problem right there. It's like you're saying cosplay isn't everyone because you're implying (badly) that only fat people care about 'sexy cosplayers', and it's fat people's fault that they don't get photographers to work with them because they're fat and they should feel bad.

[Anonymous No.9759707]

Usually the sexy cosplayers are lazy. It's mostly character wig and whatever you can find in your wardrobe. And because they have good looking face their cosplay get spread all over, even on normie sites, with "Look at this perfect X!" when their costume is shit quality and looks nothing like the character.

I have nothing against if the character has canon sexy costume, but sexifying characters, bikini versions etc are just shit.

[Anonymous No.9759709]

what about cosplay porn

[Anonymous No.9759712]

The problem with 90% of sexy cosplay is that it's lazy. Kinda like what >>9759707 said, it's usually just the wig and some skimpy outfit they bought at Hot Topic or some shit. It's lazy. A lot of the time it borders on unrecognizable as the character--so why say that you're cosplaying in the first place? Just admit that you wanted to dress that way. That's fine. But the minute you try to say, "IT'S COSPLAY!" it becomes lazy.

That said, every now and again, a cosplayer or two will crop up who puts a lot of effort into a sexy cosplay. I have no problems with those, because it can still be identified as cosplay rather than a lazy attempt at """cosplay"""

[Anonymous No.9759715]

There's only one worthwhile sexy cosplay out there and it's this one

[Anonymous No.9759733]

Jesus what a cringy tweet. I guess she' trying to be all ~inclusive~ and laying down some godly words of wisdom but it comes off as uneducated and pompous. It's not about exclusion for christ's sake, it's about protecting the reputation and integrity of the hobby. It's a real thing that narcissist thots are making a mint by putting on a wig and a bikini while being regarded as "professional cosplayers" and other cosplayers, especially females, have to take the fall for it. A lot of guys think cosplayers are sexual deviants due to the most prominent faces of the hobby at the moment a. Alyson is oversimplifying the issue like hell just to get retweets on Twitter and trying to silence people, is she trying to make friends with the top thots, become one of them or what the fuck is her reasoning behind this kind of a retarded brain fart?

[Anonymous No.9759739]

>>9759687
Yes fat people shouldn't be allowed to so anything until they lose weight.

[Anonymous No.9759745]

>>9759715
well... it was kind of unexpected

[Anonymous No.9759758]

>>9759687
I consider myself incredibly inclusive when it comes to cosplay - yet “sexy” cosplays are the one thing I have some issues with.

This is because they DIRECTLY harm the hobby.

Having been in this hobby for several years now, I can say for a fact that there’s a significant portion of the general public who sees cosplay as only some sort of perverse thing. Something that’s purpose is only to arouse others. A sort of fetish. “Sexy” cosplayers are the ones who created this view and the ones who perpetuate it.

As a cosplayer, is this the sort of thing you want to be associated with? After you spend hundreds of hours (and hundreds of dollars) making a costume, do you want to be lumped into the same category as people who use the hobby as jerk-off material? Do you want to be lumped into the same category as people who look like they belong in a fetish magazine?

I want people to see our hobby as something that requires high levels of skill in multiple different areas of crafting. I want people to see our hobby as a social gathering for those of shared interests. Not see it as something for fetishists or something to masturbate to.

That being said, I’m not unreasonable. There’s a difference between trying to accurately portray a somewhat lewd character and intentionally sexualizing a costume for the purpose of arousing people. The latter is the main issue, and has unfortunately gotten out of hand in the past few years.

[Anonymous No.9759763]

Cosplaying for fun is for everyone.
Cosplaying competitively, or as a business, admittedly isn't for everyone.

[Anonymous No.9759767]

exclusivity please.

I liked it better when people exclusively made their own shit.
If you didn't then you just showed up in your favorite show tshirt and called it a day.

Less 5 of the same ebay costume at one con, less only titty cosplay, less lying, less people who didn't get past the 8th episode.

More craftsmanship talk, more in-it-till-the-last-episode fans, more innovation of the same character cosplay therefore spreading new ideas on how to do something, more people in it for cosplay instead of $$$/efame

That's the way l like my hobby.

[Anonymous No.9759769]

>>9759733
It's funny because some of the top thots, especially Momo, either completely ignore or are downright rude to cosplayers who don't get as many likes and Patreonbucks as them.
>come back when you make as much as I make
>you're just jealous I'm popular and you're not
>literally who???
They have no problem silencing smaller cosplayers who aren't up to their standards but as soon as someone vents about what these sex workers are doing to the hobby, it's "Don't exclude! Cosplay is for everyone!!!"
By everyone they just mean themselves. They don't give a fuck about anyone else unless they get something out of the association.

[Anonymous No.9759801]

>>9759758
You said exactly what I wanted to say. I don't mind canonically sexy characters and I would like to not care what other people do, but it twists people's perception and expectations of the hobby. I would like it if "cosplay Is not consent" didn't have to be in every single code of conduct rules for attendees. Don't sexually assault people shouldn't need to be said just like don't stab people, don't steal thing and don't set stuff on fire.

[Anonymous No.9759805]

>>9759687
>Dont be that guy

sexist much? most guys love sexy cosplay, most of the people against sexy cosplay are girls

[Anonymous No.9759836]

>>9759805
Nice reach

[Anonymous No.9759878]

>>9759769
>> By everyone they just mean themselves. They don't give a fuck about anyone else unless they get something out of the association.

BINGO!

[Anonymous No.9759881]

I like Alyson's cosplays, and her makeup tutorials have been really helpful. But this tweet completely misses the fucking point. "Cosplay is for everyone" is about letting everyone cosplay regardless of race, body type, etc. This actually mattered a lot more ten years ago when you had that Asian-obsessed guy running around spamming forums, and people were saying things like Japanese people make the best cosplayers and that black people shouldn't cosplay white characters. I think people of that mindset now are few and far between, which is a benefit to the cosplay community, and I hope those ideas die out completely in the coming years.

Sexy cosplays aren't a body type, they're content. People are complaining what the costume consists of, not who's wearing it. I don't care whose body it's on; I can't fucking stand those shitty armor bustier and loincloth cosplays. I know that's half the female WoW designs but for sure Jessica Nigri made that style explode and now they're fucking everywhere. I think the OC redesigns for those outnumber the people cosplaying real armorsets now, even. And don't get me started on the dumb character lingerie sets that are always half-baked and unoriginal. If a canon costume happens to be sexy and well-made, awesome! But most of this is badly designed OC crap made by people looking for their 15 minutes.

[Anonymous No.9759889]

Inclusive community got us increase in random creepers and wanna-be-models doing cosplay for money only.

Shut the gate down, we might as well make it exclusive before all the good-hearted cosplayers move away from hobby and all we got left is cheap lingerie cosplays.

[Anonymous No.9759892]

>>9759767
All of this. I'm sick of the "cosplay is for everyone" ideology being used to shut people up when they're concerned about the current state of the hobby. There are certain ground rules to cosplay (it should be from a source, an established character and be as true to the original design as possible), otherwise it's just dressing up. There should also be some standards to the hobby ESPECIALLY if you're aiming to coin the title of "professional cosplayer" and the bar should be placed above "I put on a bikini and shoved my ass to the camera lens". People like Momokun are getting so lazy that they're throwing on random party city costumes/etsy designs with a wig and making a lewd photoset with "cosplay" tagged all over it, even when it's not even based on a source. But hey, cosplay is for everyone!! Can't voice any complaints or you're a big old mean bully! My god the cosplay scene is so toxic, I just want to have fun my dudes!!!

>>9759881
>I don't care whose body it's on; I can't fucking stand those shitty armor bustier and loincloth cosplays.
You put it into words perfectly. I'm so fucking sick of seeing that low-effort Blizzard loincloth bra armor over and over again.

[Anonymous No.9759911]

>>9759733
>It's not about exclusion for christ's sake, it's about protecting the reputation and integrity of the hobby.

Uh. The hobby is dressing up as cartoon characters. Calm down. The reputation is and forever will be man and women children dressing up and pretending to be their favorite show.

We're literally one step down from Trekkies. What reputation do you think needs protecting.

[Anonymous No.9759914]

>>9759892
these things don't actually hurt you or the hobby. spend less time being mad and more time on your craft if the "state of the hobby" really bothers you that much.

[Anonymous No.9759915]

Seriously. Nobody cares about cosplay as more than just a bunch of freaks way too into Japanese cartoons.

Don't sweat this nonexistent reputation and just have fun. You'll be a creepy freak no matter what you do.

This bizarre fixation on sexiness being bad for the community is just a really sad reach for "they get more attention than me and it hurts my feelings and it's not fair." Own up to your pettiness and insecurity instead of sounding autistic with "buh buh my nerdy hobbys integrity"

[Anonymous No.9759921]

>>9759911
>>9759914
>>9759915
Nice samefagging. Now get the fuck out thot

[Anonymous No.9759927]

TL;DR, life isn't fair. It doesn't mean I am not annoyed by it, but this is just like anything else. Talent doesn't mean shit. Even looks aren't necessarily the only component.

It is about self-promotion, bullshit, and connections. Oh and having a legion of beta males doesn't hurt too.

[Anonymous No.9759941]

>>9759758
This comment made me sad, and I'm not even a cosplayer. It's sad that your hobby gained this reputation over the years; I hope it's reversible, for your sake. I'd hate to see one of my passions turn into this.
Speaking from my point of view as someone from the gl side of the board, exclusivity is not a bad thing if you take it to mean keeping out people who could harm your hobby or its reputation, or worse, other participants in the hobby. That sort of exclusivity is actually something to aspire to.

[Anonymous No.9759947]

This would not be a problem if people were willing to refer to their subgenre of cosplay, . Ten years ago the definition of "cosplay" was a lot more narrow, but now you can have cosplay models ("sexy" cosplay), craftsmanship-based cosplay, casual/bought/fun cosplay, etc. Everyone's butthurt including my own comes from being lumped in with one of those groups that aren't your own, so using subgenre terms would clear up a lot of this. I've seen the term cosplay model thrown around occasionally, but for the most part everyone just continues to argue over what qualifies as cosplay.

[Anonymous No.9759952]

>>9759927
what prevents you from acquiring a legion of beta males?

[Anonymous No.9759958]

>>9759952
I would guess being either fat and ugly, or being mediocre looking but having a penis.

[Anonymous No.9759965]

>>9759958
the implication of your post is that a mediocre looking non-fat non-ugly girl can easily acquire the aforementioned legion of beta males

beta males are a finite resource though, i think there exists some competition to include them in your legion

[Anonymous No.9759971]

>>9759947

non sexy cosplayers should call their hobby something else

[Anonymous No.9759978]

>>9759971
Agreed but you're never going to get that to happen when they get so much exposure from slapping the word "cosplay" onto it. Genre-division is your next best option.

[Anonymous No.9759980]

>>9759758
>As a cosplayer, is this the sort of thing you want to be associated with? After you spend hundreds of hours (and hundreds of dollars) making a costume, do you want to be lumped into the same category as people who use the hobby as jerk-off material? Do you want to be lumped into the same category as people who look like they belong in a fetish magazine?

who gives a single shit im dressing up as a fucking fictional character to hang out with other people dressed as fictional characters

we have long since leaped over the respectability threshold

[Anonymous No.9759982]

>>9759971
That's literally what the post says should happen. Sexy and nonsexy cosplayers alike should use more defining words the way that lolitas call themselves classic or sweet or whatever.

[Anonymous No.9759989]

>>9759982

they shouldnt use the term cosplay at all
cosplay = sex
need to make up a new word

[Anonymous No.9759993]

>>9759733
>protecting reputation
Oh you mean the one that has existed for like ever? You know, that cosplayers are just a group of sweaty social rejects that like jacking off to comic books?

Having 'sexy' cosplayers, sets the idea that not all nerds are ugly, or socially inept.
The best ways to convey this is usually through conventional 'sexiness.' i.e. Showing skin.

[Anonymous No.9759995]

>>9759989
cosplay is literally just dressing up as a character. the second you try to put a bunch of qualifiers about ~acceptable amounts of sexy~ or ~no low quality/effort~, you turn into the snake biting its own ass for eternity that is fucking lolita

[Anonymous No.9760005]

>>9759941
With lolitas I feel like sissies are similar to what these patreon thots are to us cosplayers. Making the hobby look like a sexual fetish and people calling you bigoted for questioning them.

>>9759993
You're one assblasted fellow, aren't you. Why are you taking it so personally that people don't want to be associated with sluts in a bikini producing softcore porn and simulated blowjob photoshoots? I'd rather be associated with those "greasy weird nerds" than that.

[Anonymous No.9760011]

I think that "sexy cosplay" in particular is ruining this whole subculture activity like it always does with everything that way it touches.
Simply because sex sells so well, way better than doing good at [activity], that in the end the "market" gets flooded with literal shit that got some cleavge tacked on it while everyone and their deceased grandparents (especially nerdy virgins) jump it and the few people who try to get up their feet trough hard work and talent won't get supporters from anywhere.

See also: Streaming Vidia. Same shit different topic. Whores make ten times what a normal streamer would make by basically doing softcore webcam porn. Sometimes not even knowing what the heck they are playing.

And yes, if you sell your body for attention, money, support or whatever you are a whore. Thats the definition of prostitution. Badly masking your sex business with interests or hobbys wont change anything. A stripper in a nurse outfit is still a striper and not a nurse.

This said cosplay is indeed for everyone but the question is what can be rated as cosplay and what is just simple abuse of a hobby or subculture for own personal goals.

[Anonymous No.9760026]

>>9760005
>don't want to be associated with sluts in a bikini

Sounds like someone here is an insecure female who knows their cosplay isn't good enough to get attention on its own, but she's also too ugly to show off her goods.

No one wants to be associated with greasy nerds, lmao. Unless you're so fucking ugly that having them around you makes you look a little less despicable.

[Anonymous No.9760034]

>>9760005
>sissies
True, that's a real problem and it's gotten worse for us in recent years because of dumb tumblr kids demanding everything be inclusive~ uwu but we still fight to keep our fashion's reputation as good as possible. It comes with a price, but imo it's better to be labeled a bitch than a thot.

[Anonymous No.9760051]

>>9759965
I mean, if you're forming a legion you wouldn't really want beta males. Soybois can't fight for shit.

[Anonymous No.9760054]

>>9759687
Funny enough, she bullied smaller cosplayers for years.

[Anonymous No.9760078]

>>9760054
The people who preach this pretentious "cosplay is for everyone guys!" bullshit are usually the worst bitches behind the facade. That's why I never trust anyone who tries to be overly "accepting", like >>9759769 said they're only interested in their own benefit, never the community's.

[Anonymous No.9760079]

>>9759733
Exactly. Especially with it becoming so popular that it forces a false stereotype, like how finally normies have gradually stopped seeing anime as "cartoon porn". Getting tired of people lately who automatically assume someone does nudes or lewds just because they cosplay.

[Anonymous No.9760084]

The fact that people argue over this is hilarious. Literally 90% of the 'cosplay' community are just hot chicks showing as much as possible to make a buck. Maybe 5 or 10 years ago you would go to a con and see nerds in costumes just running around having fun but now its all about profits and sex appeal.

Look at the 2 most well known american cosplayers. Yaya Han and J Nigiri. Jessica is straight sex appeal. Yeah recently shes pulled out some armor builds but theyre all pretty repetitive and as skin baring as possible (not to mention her lewdmas and stuff). Then Yaya Han has built her name on fabrics, patterns & her cosplays but she still makes cosplays to highlight the implants.

There are cosplayers out there who make videos and posts sharing tutorials for craftsmanship and actual useful information for cosplayers but they are barely noticed because all this hobby is about now is "Follow my patreon for exclusive Lewds!"

Dont get me wrong i like jessica and yaya and the others who like to cosplay their own way but for people to still be fighting on this is funny to me.

[Anonymous No.9760085]

inb4 Alyson becomes a patreon thot in a couple of weeks

[Anonymous No.9760087]

>>9760054
This isnt surprising. Literally almost every cosplayer with a bigger following gets their head so far up their own asses that they are awful to lesser knowns. Momo, Alyson, Mango, Byndo - they act so fake positive and "cosplay is for everyone" but then there are countless threads and receipts on their actual awful nature to others. I think Alyson might be better now with her viral fame but who knows

[Anonymous No.9760122]

People defending 'cosplayers' like jessica and momo, what's your end game here??

Do you get off of looking at their picture posters or are you one of those cosplayers that think you can get your cosplay career take off by taking photo inside Katsucon gazebo??

[Anonymous No.9760146]

>>9760122
They're
a.) aspiring thots who want to support the idea of patreon whoring sexy cosplay to defend their own asses trying their luck at the game that will cease to exist if coswhores are shunned
or
b.) whiteknights who want more of patreon whores to maybe gain a sexy cosplay girlfriend if they defend them hard enough.
Nobody genuinely thinks that it's not doing any damage, everyone rallying for "sexy cosplayers" has something to gain from it themselves. They know it's messing up the whole hobby (even JNig has admitted this but still chooses not to care) but they're too selfish to give a shit.

[Anonymous No.9760171]

ITT angry people who can't live off of beta orbiters for whatever reason

[Anonymous No.9760175]

>>9760034
What is a sissy exactly? I tried Googling it but there's no exact definition. Is it just guys wearing lolita?

[Anonymous No.9760176]

>>9760054
How so? I haven’t seen anything weird from her and this has got me curious.

[Anonymous No.9760182]

>>9759947
This. We need to start making established subgenres of cosplay now that it's becoming more popular and cheap store bought cosplays are becoming more accessible. I don't want my painstakingly crafted cosplay lumped together with someone who put on a wig and a bikini and called it cosplay (unless, obviously, the character canonically wears a bikini).

Selfmade, sexy, AU, casual/bought, etc.

[Anonymous No.9760186]

>>9760182
> established subgenres
No. We need to just make them stop calling their softcore porn cosplay. I'm not going to fucking start specifying what "subgenre" of cosplay I represent because cosplay's definition and principles aren't fucking rocket science. They should be booted off the community instead of everyone else shrugging and being "well, I guess I'll just start calling myself a 'costume maker-based cosplayer' now to differentiate myself from a slut". We should be supporting cosplayers who are true to the craft and actually LIKE the source material and bring them to attention. And tell people like Alyson to fuck off with her retarded tweets about "m-muh inclusivity". People need to stop being so shaken by the threat of looking like a "bully" because that's how these costhots always get their way - they yell bullying and everyone backs off. That shit needs to end.

[Anonymous No.9760187]

>>9760175
OT to this thread but it's typically men who get off on being "forced" to wear dresses (either in actuality or just the idea of it), this may or may not include them being forcibly exhibited in public for everyone to see. It's a humiliation fetish that usually features hideous satin raschel lace monster dresses.
It's a part of BDSM and is absolutely not tied to lolita fashion in any way, but these fucks try to infiltrate our comms usually while pretending they have a genuine interest in the fashion to gain the girls' favor, either branding themselves "brolitas" or "trans women"; the latter is the worst because it makes clueless girls defend them against "bullies".

[Anonymous No.9760188]

>>9760175
A sissy is a fetishist who gets off on being humiliated by being dressed in women's or little girls' clothes. They're not real lolitas.

[Anonymous No.9760191]

>>9760186
Considering there are people like Kamui who have openly admitted to cosplaying from games they barely even know its safe to assume the people like Nigiri and all the blonde implant clones of her just choose Overwatch, LoL & WoW characters to strive off of the popularity of said games and the neckbeards that fap to the sexualized orcs or dragons they horribly throw together.

You can literally have these nasty people come to a girl gamer and doubt their expertise in gaming, but if said labelled girl gamer is wearing nipple pasties and a blue wig calling herself some random LoL dragon or something they're all for it and dont question a thing.

[Anonymous No.9760192]

>>9760175
It's guys who get off on humiliation, in particular the humiliation of wearing little girls' clothing as an adult man. Fetish dresses targeted at sissies usually have large puffy sleeves and huge short skirts, like lolita on steroids. They gravitate towards lolita communities because it provides them with a "valid"-seeming way to take their fetish into the public and involve young women without their consent, which they also get off on. Sissies who try to join a lolita comm in obvious fetish dresses are immediately caught out and refused, so the more conniving ones first read up on lolita fashion and buy real lolita dresses.

[Anonymous No.9760205]

>>9759687
No one stops you from cosplaying. Cosplay is for "everyone".

Don't get being criticized for your bad work mixed up with not being allowed to do something. If you're bothered by criticism you just simply just improve.

Sexy cosplay is an issue in this community. I don't have an issue with it on it's own- if the cosplayer's costume is good then that's fine. If you want to do a lingerie version of a character you've already PROPERLY made the real costume for, that's fine. It women who come into this hobby with the intention of getting money & orbiters that are the problem. Not only are you taking advantage of the male part of the community, but you're also causing issues for the females in the community who actually give a shit about cosplay. This issue could be fixed if people just gained a backbone and bullied these users out of the community.

[Anonymous No.9760292]

>>9759921
But they're right tho? You sound mad. And fat.

[Anonymous No.9760392]

>>9760292
Go back to tumblr

[Anonymous No.9760405]

>>9760192
man, males are so cunning and predatory creatures!

[Anonymous No.9760521]

>>9760186
And how do you propose that you do that? Hold a gun to each person's head? You cannot "make" someone stop using the word cosplay, no matter how right you are or how much you complain. The word is too lucrative and it's the reason they label themselves as cosplayers now in the first place. I would rather type out the extra characters to call myself a craftsmanship cosplayer instead of fighting dozens of battles with every other cosplay model out there. Maybe your campaign could have succeeded a few years ago but the word "cosplay" as associated with sexy outfits is far too ingrained to go back now.

[Anonymous No.9760523]

>>9759702
No. You can very well cosplay whatever you want just don't come bitching about with when you put no effort into working out to make your cosplay work for you. I don't care if you want to be a 500 pound Chaika cosplayer, just don't assume because you cosplayed as that everyone will praise you for it.

[Anonymous No.9760533]

>japanese cosplay
>you wanna take pictures of my pantsu, i dont care
>western cosplay
>hurr durr durr

[Anonymous No.9760534]

I don't care if you want to make your cosplay sexy so long as
1. you aren't ruining the outfit/character design for the sake of showing skin
2. You have the body to pull it off without making people gag

[Anonymous No.9760537]

>>9760533
chances are you just can't read japanese or don't browse 2ch if you think japanese cosplayers love slutty cosplays.

[Anonymous No.9760540]

>>9760537
Someone hasn't been to comiket

[Anonymous No.9760544]

>>9760540
if you think the crowd at comiket that gathers around lewd cosplayers represents the entire japanese cosplay community then you're dumb.
It's the same as using the titty cosplays at blizzcon to extrapolate out some dumb shit about the western cosplay community

[Anonymous No.9760546]

>>9760544
It isn't but it's an acceptable thing there compared to other places around the globe. Besides the only ones who complain are the ones who can't pull it off.

[Anonymous No.9760550]

>>9760546
>it's more accepted in japan

>the country that is infinitely more socially conservative and prudish than america
>where showing cleavage is considered to be only for sluts and women need to act like they don't enjoy sex
>lewd cosplay and softcore porn cosplays are the norm

alright anon I think it's clear you have brain damage

[Anonymous No.9760560]

>>9760550
You clearly did not go to C92

[Anonymous No.9760564]

>>9760560
One event is indicative of an entire culture.

[Anonymous No.9760568]

>>9760564
It's literally the LARGEST in the country(600k people?), the cosplay convention in Nagona had the same vibe

[Anonymous No.9760569]

>>9760521
Stop looking for easy answers. These thots didn't ruin cosplay overnight, and cosplay can't be saved overnight. Just keep doing what you do and inspire others. And call costhots out for their shit.

[Anonymous No.9760571]

>>9760560
you clearly do not understand what you're implying if you think a bunch of japanese nerdsd orbiting lewd cosplayers is a sign of anything in the japanese community. I reiterate my previous statement that you probably have no idea about the japanese cosplay scene and just base your assumptions on some pics you saw on /jp/.

[Anonymous No.9760574]

>>9760571
T. never been to japan for comiket or other conventions abroad, anon.

[Anonymous No.9760577]

>>9760574
T. weeb in denial
contrary to what you think anon, japan is not happy anime land. The women there don't jsut flip up their skirts and yell "Kyaaa >_<"

[Anonymous No.9760578]

>>9760577
No shit, not on the streets but for the section at comiket where the cosplay shoots are done it is a completely different scene compared to US/Europe/elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.9760579]

>>9760578
T. never been to blizzcon

[Anonymous No.9760583]

"Cosplay is for everyone" was to help 14 year olds making babby's broadcloth monstrosity and people who would rather buy a sports jersey on tabao and sperg with their fellow fans feel part of the community. there's nothing wrong with that, because they're still in it for fannish reasons. cosplay sluts know nobody likes them and coopted the phrase to cover their own asses. just like the cries of "slut shaming" anytime people object to turning the hobby into professional sexwork.

[Anonymous No.9760665]

>>9760569
On the one hand you have an easy but not ideal solution. On the other, you get to complain indefinitely while nothing gets solved. I know which one I'd prefer.

[Anonymous No.9760697]

>>9759715

[Anonymous No.9760722]

>>9759758
>As a cosplayer, is this the sort of thing you want to be associated with? After you spend hundreds of hours (and hundreds of dollars) making a costume, do you want to be lumped into the same category as people who use the hobby as jerk-off material? Do you want to be lumped into the same category as people who look like they belong in a fetish magazine?

I completely disagree with you, we can't exclude a group from cosplaying just because of what strangers may think. "They" (whoever this means) can associate me with whatever, people who are into cosplay know very well it isn't a fetish for most.

And if you enjoy doing sexy cosplays, by all means do it and be happy.

[Anonymous No.9760764]

>>9759914
>these things don't actually hurt you or the hobby.


Let me just stop you right there.
YES IT DOES.


Because of sexy modeling masquerading as cosplay it's been really hard for people with "skills" other than their genetics & youth to be seen.
Now it's more about your likes, FB page, and videos. Not about whoa look at this epic carving job, or dude she found out how to smelt foam and color it, this soldering iron makes some nice marks on foil fabrics.

Too many assholes now know who Jessica Nigiri is but not who Envel is or nine_tailed or Akurikois are.

Stop pretending that if a sexy cosplayer doesn't cuss you out to your face and slap you personally that they are not harming you.

[Anonymous No.9760769]

normies get out
rrreeeeeee

[Anonymous No.9761022]

>>9760523
>> when you put no effort into working out to make your cosplay work for you

just like how these 'sexy cosplayers' put no effort into actually making a solid cosplay? Oh would you look at that, we have so-called 'cosplay celebrity' complaining about people who speak against them.

[Anonymous No.9761026]

The only problem I have is when sexy cosplayers ask for patreon donations. Bitch, you're one out of 100,000 who are doing the same shit. I'm not giving you money for anything.

[Anonymous No.9761040]

>>9760176
Supposedly she bullied a cosplay beginner. Supposedly serious enough that they tried to kill themselves. But I don’t know anything detailed.

[Anonymous No.9761170]

>>9761026

if you are fapping to us then you should pay for it

[Anonymous No.9761200]

>>9760764
ayrt, and no, sexy cosplayers don't hurt me at all, since you have said they harm specifically me. I still have fun in my hobby with my friends, and I still win craftsmanship awards when I compete. I'm in decent shape because I work out a lot and I have a decent face for the characters I choose to cosplay, but I've personally never done a "sexy" cosplay because it's not really what interests me.

Why does it matter if people see sexy cosplayers and not me? It doesn't hurt me that someone knows who j nigri is but not me. I'm probably not what her audience is looking for and I'm fine with that. (I'm a guy)

I'm not trying to become a "professional cosplayer," so these people do not hurt me at all, and I'm not "pretending" when I say that.

most of the cosplay community seems to be bitching about cosplayers they don't like instead of talking about the ones they do. you at least mentioned a few people you think should be recognized. if people really dislike sexy cosplay so much, why not provide more positive examples? Or be the positive example you want to see? I guess it's easier to complain for most people than to do something to change what they don't like.

[Anonymous No.9761209]

>>9761200
Your personal experience is not the end-all, be-all of what other cosplayers experience. It's frustrating when someone not in the scene finds out that you cosplay, and immediately assumes you pose for softcore porn. That is not a fun conversation to have with relatives, and it's not a fun experience to have when normies and comic cons think that you're a slut who's there for their entertainment. I can and do ignore it because I love this hobby, but don't pretend like we live in a bubble.

[Anonymous No.9761227]

>>9761200
>>9761209 thank you. You hit the nail on the head.


As for you >>9761200
I am the positive example already. I came into this hobby in 1997 and I know what it looked like before people started lingerie cosplay gofundme.

I won't venture it but it's quite possible that as a male, you have no idea what chicks put up with in this hobby. You can be detached because you were not raised and socialized to think your worth was in how much you can attract the opposite sex while trying to prove to everyone that you are talented, innovative, and not just a cute thing to fap to.

I also shower praise on the types of people I mentioned before. But sex sells and people are more than giddy to shove 50 hours of complex sewing out of the way in favor of titty Overwatch lingerie set #32.

[Anonymous No.9761280]

>>9761200
Perhaps you should step out of your comfort box and see the community as it is instead of as you want to see it. Your ideology and reality is vastly different, and it's naive to think 'positive reinforcement' alone will solve what's wrong with this community right now.

[Anonymous No.9761286]

>>9761209
I'm not even a cosplayer but I've seen this conversation play out twice with friends, with them having to explain that no cosplay isn't always fetish related and no they don't hang around convention centers in only a bikini or their underwear. One of them is a butch lesbian and people literally asked her why she even got into cosplay if she's not interested in getting attention from men. I really feel for y'all.

[Anonymous No.9761288]

>>9761227
>As a male in a female dominated hobby you don't understand

It's entirely a different subject but don't pretend like there isn't also a shitload is sexism against men in this community because women seem to think guys are incapable of makeup or sewing or wig styling. Even going out to get fabric, old ladies and people at the store act like you're lost and need help to find what your wife sent you to get.

[Anonymous No.9761294]

>>9759971
Why should actual cosplayers have to be the ones to step out of the way for sexy cosplayers? They're the ones who use the hobby for their own selfish gain in the first place.

[Anonymous No.9761325]

>>9761288
I agree that it's rude for people to assume those things, but it's also based on experience. I don't know a single male cosplayer who wears makeup unless he's competing on stage and most of the guys I know don't style their own wigs (or even wear wigs), either. Like if you see someone asking a ridiculous question about if they can temporarily color their own hair white with baby powder or whatever the fuck it's 100% going to be a man. I've also never met a man outside of cosplay who had any kind of sewing experience, but I DO often see men accompanying their wife or daughter to the fabric store just to help carry stuff. So when people assume you need more help than usual it's based on experience and not meant to be malicious. It's also not nearly as damaging psychologically as being told from puberty onward that your entire worth as a person depends on whether men want to fuck you or not. Just saiyan'.

[Anonymous No.9761367]

>>9759687
She's only saying this is because one - she's trying to get more fame for speaking for everyone, and two - her sister does it.

[Anonymous No.9761371]

>>9761325
if you don't see a single male cosplayer with makeup off stage then you're probably not looking hard enough or are ignoring the more subtle makeup just based oh your own sexist assumptions
I help run a local cosplay group and out of the 15 or so guys doing cosplay, 0 of them compete in masqs, but 12 or so regularly wear makeup and contacts for their cosplays. They don't do advanced techniques like contouring, but most male cosplays outside of crossplay or jojo cosplay don't really require advanced techniques

what I think is you might just be like a good chunk of the community and have a chip on your shoulder about men, so you generalize and make broad assumptions about us. In my opinion, that's just as hurtful to the cosplay community as some cosfamous girl being a bitch to newbies or some slutty girl taking lewds in cosplay.

[Anonymous No.9761380]

Lewd cosplay is soft core porn with a wig. It's not cosplay, it's crossed the line into porn.
Every thot and cosplayer defending it needs to grow the fuck up, admit what they're doing and call it what it is.

[Anonymous No.9761391]

>>9760085
Her craftsmanship is shit. Unprimed Popsicle sticks with visible hot glue painted quickly with acrylic paint. I cringe that her wigs are painted with acrylic paint and hot glued into styles.
This girl seriously cannot fucking win a craftsmanship award. It's embarrassingly bad quality.

[Anonymous No.9761476]

>>9761371
Strange, because as a male cosplayer my group has the same experiences as >>9761325 It's always the guys that think they don't need a wig or they don't need to shave or they don't need to wear contacts. Not to say I haven't seen my fair share of women who weren't great at styling wigs or didn't know how to sew, but most guys as beginners start with zero skills while the women tend to know at least something basic about applying makeup or styling wigs. Also in my group, there is one person who's better at styling wigs and does most of the wigs for the group. There is one person who helps everyone else apply makeup. Assuming that people who do group cosplays aren't assisting each others with their costumes is just ridiculous. This is a generalization, but one based on personal experiences. Your's may differ.

However this is getting a bit off topic. Women dealing with being sexualized is quite a different topic than men. I can walk around with a shirtless cosplay with little concern about being sexually assaulted. Not to say it hasn't happened but I don't freak out about a girl rubbing me or kissing me on the cheek like most women would if a man did the same thing to her. I think most guys are the same on this. This is a topic that honestly goes well beyond the scope of cosplay.

So let's look at those two forms of sexism in the community again
>Guys who do cosplay need help because they don't know basic skills
>Girls who do cosplay have a fetish and are softcore porn models

One stereotype is based on experiences while the other is based on people sharing softcore porn thinly veiled as cosplay through social media.

[Anonymous No.9761480]

>>9761476
>guys need help because they don't ahve any basic skills
that's the sexism right there anon. Just because your friends suck doesn't mean you get to say all guys suck at cosplay
I'm trying to make a better name for myself around cosplay but it's damn near impossible with all this sexist bullshit that women and guys like you keep spouting about how guys don't do makeup or style wigs when we sure as hell do those things.

[Anonymous No.9761510]

>>9760697
I can't stop focusing on all the red lint that fabric is leaving on her legs. Not sexy, I just want to reach for a lint roller.

[Anonymous No.9761537]

>>9761480
Yeah, not being taken seriously in your chosen field sure sucks. I wonder if women have ever had to deal with that?

[Anonymous No.9761543]

>>9761476
>Guys who do cosplay need help because they don’t know basic skills
Yea, fuck off. Your anecdotal evidence doesn’t represent all males in the community. While it’s true there’s a higher percentage of women in the community who can apply makeup and style wigs well, there’s still plenty of men that do so as well. And this is only because women already have more experience doing that, since society tells them it’s okay to style makeup or spend hours on their hair. Meanwhile men get called gay when they try to learn about makeup or hairstyling.

Why don’t we flip the stereotype? “Women can’t make armor” While there are more men interested in foam armor, is it true that women can’t make it? Is it true they just don’t have the “basic skills”?

[Anonymous No.9761557]

>>9761537
no one said it didn't happen to women in male dominated hobbies like gaming, but you pretend like it's completely justified for women in cosplay to be complete sexists to the guys who they share a hobby with

[Anonymous No.9761591]

>>9761480
>>9761543
You seem rather focused on something that I said was a generalization and a stereotype. This part makes it seem like you're actually agreeing with me after telling me to fuck off.

>While it’s true there’s a higher percentage of women in the community who can apply makeup and style wigs well, there’s still plenty of men that do so as well. And this is only because women already have more experience doing that, since society tells them it’s okay to style makeup or spend hours on their hair. Meanwhile men get called gay when they try to learn about makeup or hairstyling.

As a male cosplayer myself, I didn't know anything about makeup or styling wigs and had never sewn anything in my life. I started by buying cosplays and doing simple build/altercations. My first big project I did on my own was a foam armor suit. It wasn't until I had a dozen or so costumes under my belt before I touched on makeup for a certain one. Then I was looking at drag queen makeup tutorials because they're much more informative about putting makeup on a man's face, so that's in my youtube history. It wasn't until I went to a con without my friend who styled all my wigs before that I had to learn to do that on my own, and her work still looks ten times better than mine and she can do it in a quarter of the time. After sewing about a dozen outfits, people can't believe that I actually made my costume, they assume it's either bought or commissioned. As a beginner, I fit the stereotype. Now that I've built up my skill set, it's no longer true.

But none of that is really the point here. The conversation was about how women in cosplay suffer consequences from the popularity of overly sexualized cosplays. This chain only started because a guy essentially said "It doesn't hurt me so I don't see the problem." Then when people tried to explain it to them, someone tried to make it about their problems instead.

[Anonymous No.9761599]

>>9761591
Yeah but stop trying to use your experience to undo what other people are saying. This whole chain started because some girl said guys don't know what it's like to be unfairly descriminated against in this hobby, which is so very wrong

[Anonymous No.9761627]

>>9760171
>angry fatties
FTFY

[Anonymous No.9761663]

>>9761227
>I came into this hobby in 1997 and I know what it looked like before people started lingerie cosplay gofundme.
>Implying there wasn't lingerie cosplay circa 2000

Yeah Imma call BS.

The truth is there's always been sexy cosplay.

But there used to be a lot less autistic guys and chicks frothing at the mouth over someone else getting more attention than them.

Maybe it's the influence of social media, but while cons were for nerds, they were still the regular people kind of nerds who knew how to behave in social situations and who don't have panic attacks over what other people are and aren't wearing.

Then shit like CGL and Tumblr came about and painted cons as this magical safe space for the socially retarded and here we are with people honestly trying to argue that there is some kind of "reputation" and "integrity" to anime conventions and cosplay that is being put at risk because of some girls in bikinis and some guys without their shirts.

You want people to fawn over your craftsmanship then put in the effort and go into theatrical costuming.

You want people to give you attention because you feel remarkably emotionally invested in a fictional character then put in the effort and go to a psychiatrist.

[Anonymous No.9761674]

I think almost everyone who already knows about or is into cosplay know that there is a big distinction to be made between craftmanship cosplay and low effort sexy cosplay.

That being said, normies who don't know anything about cosplay can and do make assumptions about you because sexy cosplay/jerk off material is the kind that gets the most main stream attention.
But hasn't this hobby always been about not giving a shit what other people think? back before it became so mainstream?
Just do what I do and secretly know that you're better than the thots and anyone worth it will know that.

[Anonymous No.9761712]

>>9761663
>The truth is there's always been sexy cosplay.

At conventions? No. Things may differ by region but I remember back in the early 2000s people cosplaying Riku from FFX or Faye from Cowboy Bebop would be asked to leave or change because their costume was too revealing. You didn't have people walking around conventions in Pokémon bikini cosplays. You sure as heck didn't have people walking around in lingerie. Since social media and streaming isn't what it is today, you didn't have 100s of people trying to be cosfamous. Cons didn't even feature "cosplay guests." Comics, anime and video games were still a male-dominated space and conventions reflected that. Very few women attended conventions and even fewer attended without their boyfriend present.

>Maybe it's the influence of social media, but while cons were for nerds, they were still the regular people kind of nerds who knew how to behave in social situations and who don't have panic attacks over what other people are and aren't wearing.

Maybe you don't remember when "Look at what she was wearing" was actually used as a legal defense in sexual assault cases. Guys at cons still tend to forget that the normal rules of society apply, but it has gotten much better over time. When sexy cosplays were being asked to leave, the con security said it was for their own protection. Now they are appropriately removing guys who don't know how to behave. People are still getting removed from cons for not treating female cosplayers with the appropriate respect in 2017.

>Then shit like CGL and Tumblr came about and painted cons as this magical safe space for the socially retarded

News flash, nerdy hobbies have always attracted socially awkward people and people with mental disabilities. People unhappy with their lives are more likely to engage in escapism. Conventions is where people who do this congregate. There has always been codes of conduct to make sure people are treating each other with respect.

[Anonymous No.9761727]

>>9759892
>otherwise it's just dressing up.
That's what it is. That's literally what this hobby is. Who gives a fuck.

[Anonymous No.9761735]

>>9759702
>and it's fat people's fault that they don't get photographers to work with them because they're fat
who's fault is it, if not them?
people like looking at attractive people, photographers like taking pictures of attractive people
unless the photographer is getting paid by the fat cosplayer and the photographer refuses simply because she's fat, i dont really understand what you mean

[Anonymous No.9761754]

>>9761712
We haven't removed anyone for sext cosplay for "their protection"

We remove you and tell you that you are being a straight up thot and we don't let guys dress like that so neither can you.

[Anonymous No.9761781]

>>9761288

You think people thinking that you can't sew or style a wig is equal to women's actual worth being her looks.

Excuse me, I need to go take a breath for how amazing your thought process is. I just....cannot.

Pic is for you.

[Anonymous No.9761785]

>>9761599
>This whole chain started because some girl said guys don't know what it's like to be unfairly descriminated against in this hobby, which is so very wrong

nope.

See
>>9761591
>This chain only started because a guy essentially said "It doesn't hurt me so I don't see the problem."


That's what happened. Some dude said "it doesn't hurt me so..." and then we pointed out to him that his experiences are not the experiences girls have.

And guess what...he pretty much just made that obvious in his follow up post whining that people don't think he can sew or do make up. Somehow that was equal to being thought of a default sex object due to your hobby.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous No.9761790]

>>9761712

Thank you for handling that succinctly. You covered it all.

>>9761663
You've got a lot to learn about what came before you.

[Anonymous No.9761835]

>>9759687
Comiket has pretty strict rules about no underwear showing, but I saw at least two people with their asses hanging out, and one who was so going nuts about getting dat good doujinshi that she didn't notice her tits were escaping from her bodice. Especially for fuyucomi, have some dignity and maybe pass up on the sexy characters or modify your costume to keep your butt, tits, and testicles and peen if necessary under at least one layer of fabric.

[Anonymous No.9761898]

>>9761835
You didn't get a picture?

[Anonymous No.9761934]

>>9759767
Anon I'm with you 100%

If they added restrictions that all cosplays had to be handmade, the fun at cons would go up. You'd have both discussions about the characters/series, but also craftsmanship talk. I'd say the discussions would be even more in-depth since it shows motivation and attention to detail of a character.

I would personally rate someone who made their cosplay with imperfections above a perfect AliExpress thing. The uneven stitches that show the handmade-ness are comfy IMO.

It would cut down on costhots and the the thirsty beta orbiters in one fell swoop. I feel like it would bring back the old cosplay feel before the
commercialization.

Hell, if a costhot can make her cosplay, I'm fine with it too. At least it shows dedication to her thottery.

[Anonymous No.9761948]

>>9761934
>If they added restrictions that all cosplays had to be handmade
I sincerely hope you mean for contests only. Because fuck you if you mean for the entirety of the cons. What, are you gonna stand at the door and tell people to strip and sniff around for a tag of purchase? Are you going to tell someone they should have sewn their entire shirt from scratch when the character's outfit can be bought from a good thrift haul or JC Penny? Pic very well related.

Sewing isn't something you can pick up over the course of a weekend. It's people like you that discourage newbies from even trying regardless of sexy cosplays.

[Anonymous No.9761994]

>>9761934
>At least it shows dedication to her thottery.

Ok I chuckled.

>>9761948
>Sewing isn't something you can pick up over the course of a weekend. It's people like you that discourage newbies from even trying

None of the people good at it came out of the womb knowing how. They sucked at first too.
As long as you're not a total idiot you can get decent at sewing basic pants, skirts, and vests inside of 3 months. Then you can work up to shirts, princess seams, and more complicated things.
If a newb would rather have instant gratification without effort this hobby isn't for them. They'll be hooked on buying it cause it's easier and thus will only be able to buy popular characters and if the costume arrives not fitting they won't have fucking clue on how to fix it.

[Anonymous No.9761995]

>>9761785
that reply was a different person, actually. I haven't replied to this thread since I made my second post starting with "ayrt."

the only reason I brought up my skills or gender in that post was to provide an idea of my position and experience relative to the issue (i.e. someone who is not a sexy cosplayer in competition with non sexy cosplayers) and because someone tried to say that sexy cosplay hurts me as a cosplayer who does not do sexy cosplays. It wasn't to derail the conversation or make it about sexism towards men or whatever. I don't care if people think I can't sew when I walk into a fabric store. That's not really relevant.

It does suck that women are made to feel like the only worth they have is their appearance. By that token, however, referring to sexy cosplayers as "hos" or "thots" is placing value on a woman's "virtue"...or at least her perceived "virtue." Isn't that just as shitty? If you want women to have things less shitty, stop being shitty to them. It starts with you. Or how about being less shitty to people in general?

If someone is a terrible person, that's a completely separate issue, but they should be called out for that, not the type of cosplay they do or their gender in relation to it.

[Anonymous No.9762015]

>>9759687
It's like the concept of free speech. It gives you the right to voice your opinions, but not protection from criticism when you voice unpopular opinions.

You're free to cosplay whatever you want. You're not free from criticism for low skill, low effort, using sex appeal to garner attention from low hanging fruit, etc.

[Anonymous No.9762056]

Holy shit this thread is a fucking riot, I can’t wait to read some choice aloud to the peeps I got coming over, christ. The ‘integrity’ of the ‘hobby’ lmao

[Anonymous No.9762107]

>>9762056
>t. crossboarding normie
disgusting

[Anonymous No.9762110]

>>9761994
>this hobby isn’t for them

I don’t go to cons to show off my craftsmanship because I’m not great at sewing and don’t have much desire to learn more than I do. I almost always buy my cosplay (though I have made before). This hobby is still for me because at the end of the day, I just want to have fun. I’m not entering contests or trying to get social media attention. I just like to have a costume to wear with friends. Not everyone takes it that seriously.

[Anonymous No.9762134]

>>9761367
She is a bully herself.

[Anonymous No.9762161]

>>9762110
It's like a lot of hobbies, when it grows too large people feel like they need to come up with a reason to exclude others.

[Anonymous No.9762177]

>>9761995
The cosplayers who put themselves out there to be treated as fap material are doing to at their own volition and actively encouring sexual objectification to the detriment of the rest of us so no, I don’t feel any kind of solidarity with them. They’re not victims of anything but their own choices.

[Anonymous No.9762229]

Cosplay is soft porn disguised as a chance for betas thinking they have a chance to fuck her just becuase she likes anime/videogames/comics/sci-fi fantasy.

Give her money and thot will say hi

[Anonymous No.9762239]

>>9762229
sounds as a way to earn money, hm...

[Anonymous No.9762308]

All of the girls who offer lewls are bullies. They are the same girls who were popular in school and bullied the nerds.

Now these bitches are infiltrating the same nerd culture they used to make fun of because they failed in their own shit life. They are desperately trying to cling onto anything that gives them back that same attention.

Yes, sexy cosplay has ruined cosplay.

[Anonymous No.9762327]

>>9762308
False. I was bullied in high school and now I finally get to ride the path of being hot shit and I’m gonna enjoy it whether you cry about it or not.

[Anonymous No.9762355]

>>9762327
Okay. But at the end of the day, those attention you get are superficial and they will abandon you once your age runs older.

[Anonymous No.9762381]

>>9762327

You have become what you hate

[Anonymous No.9762387]

>>9762327
Then you're become part of the problem. The people who follow you aren't following you because they necessarily like your cosplay - they're following you because you're showing your tits. I don't know about you but I don't want to have those types of people following me.

[Anonymous No.9762388]

>>9762308
>>9762327

Cosplay girls were never hot enough for Chad so they pretended to like geek culture and resorted to dressing up as lonely nerd's waifus to get the attention they crave

[Anonymous No.9762396]

So you’re saying if someone doesn’t give a shit about what kind of following they cultivate they are somehow less of a person? LMAO. GO OUTSIDE.

[Anonymous No.9762443]

>>9762355
You're right because everyone with any sort of efame is besties with all of their followers!!

[Anonymous No.9762465]

>>9762308
>>9762388
So were costhots the popular girls or were they the ugly girls who couldn't get Chad? Or maybe, people just like attention and 'costhots' are just a wide variety of people who just like being complemented.

[Anonymous No.9762491]

Holy shit, this thread is a shit show.
That being said, the salt of fat nerd's sweat is REAL here.

The only people I know IRL who have issues with "sexy" cosplayers are below average looking women with below average craftsmanship skils. Sorry you got dealt a shit hand, maybe you should work on some self improvement? Hit the gym, brush up on some new armor building skills if you desperately crave attention these so called "costhots" are steeeealing from you?
YOU. Are part of the problem. Support the "non costhot" cosplayers then. A lot of non slutty cosplayers have Patreons to support their hard work where the offer tutorials and actual useful information.... but they aren't very popular. I wonder why? Because the fatties are all on 4chan complaining about visible boobs instead of honing their own craft or supporting supposed "talented" cosplayers. Do you know why? Because jealousy runs rampant. You guys don't care why someone is getting attention.... whether it's because they are sexy or whether they are talented, you don't want to support it, because you are jealous. You just know it's easier to get famous being sexy, so that's what you'll bitch about. Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.9762499]

cosplay is for everyone obviously, which everyone agrees with outside of some people on /cgl/

you can't gate-keep a hobby like this (being mean about people on /cgl/ isn't going to stop anyone), and there's no point in doing so

[Anonymous No.9762519]

>>9762491
Actually, no. You have a pretty hefty misunderstanding of why 'sexy' cosplay has risen to this level of popularity.

Cosplay was a niche hobby until half a decade ago - most attention or support came from other cosplayers inside of the community, which created an echo chamber of what kind of skills were valued. Popular cosplayers were people who had craftsmanship chops or who played the character well.

In the 2010s, normies became aware of cosplay, and this is now who primarily dictates who makes money or who appears in wide-read news. You think that it's cosplayers who are propping up thots' popularity, but that's just not the case. There are exceptions of course for a small handful of cosplayers who are universally known within the community for their skills, but for the most part the cosplayers making mad cash on Patreon are being funded by people who are not actually cosplayers. The normie audience is much larger and much more willing to give money and attention to attractive girls from popular series that appeal to non-nerds.


>The only people I know IRL who have issues with "sexy" cosplayers are below average looking women with below average craftsmanship skils.
And hey, you're also wrong about this. I'm fairly well known in the community with both the skills and looks to back it up, and the direction this hobby has taken lately irks me too. I'm not going to tell anyone they can't cosplay how they want to, but I can definitely sit here and be annoyed by it.

[Anonymous No.9762535]

>>9762519
Nayrt but I'm curious why you waste energy on being annoyed over something so trivial. It's not like cosplay changed overnight, it was a slow and gradual shift and everyone saw it coming. If you want to live back in the day well, efame wasnt a thing back in the day so none of this had really affected you. What bothers you so much? Being associated with these people? Them stealing your hobby for personal gain? Is it stealing if they enjoy the source material but happen to like lewds also? The masses ruin every niche hobby. It's just how things go.

[Anonymous No.9762540]

>>9762110
>I just want to have fun.

Wear the t shirt to your favorite show.

You do not NEED to wear a costume to have fun. You want the attention that comes with it. But you want that attention without skills.
Leave the costumes to people with skill.

[Anonymous No.9762543]

>>9762540
No? I like meeting up with other people in costume because it's more fun than wearing normie clothes. I have friends that do the silly group photoshoots and I like to do that with them. I like to party in my costumes. Your way of thinking is so stupid.

[Anonymous No.9762545]

>>9762540
>Leave the costumes to people with skill.

[Anonymous No.9762565]

>>9762519
>I'm fairly well known in the community with both the skills and looks to back it up, and the direction this hobby has taken lately irks me too.
Seconding this.
I'm known as well. I've got skills just because I've been around for a long while. I'm also nice looking, nice to my peers, and I've been a guest and staff over the years too.

I give a massive eyeroll to bikini patreon cosplay. Just take that elsewhere. Every aspect of our lives in inundated with sex in places it doesn't belong. Yeah sexy cosplay was around before. They were cosplaying already sexy characters AND they had other cosplays they did. It wasn't boudoir set #1, #5, #22 only.
This was an arena for something other than sex being the driving factor. I never appreciated it seeping in. Go be a "model" where models belong. It isn't here.

[Anonymous No.9762571]

>>9762565
According to the normies is it is now. Nothing you say or do will change that.

[Anonymous No.9762576]

>>9762543
>silly group photoshoots and I like to do that with them
>like to party in my costumes


Thank you for confirming you do it for attention.
All I suspected was true.
You do it so you can participate in activities without bothering with the harder aspect.

Hope you know this lovely factoid about yourself and can correct it before you screw up some part of your life with your apathy for putting the work in before you enjoy the benefits.

[Anonymous No.9762578]

>>9762571

You say that as if nothing changes in the world ever.

Cute.

[Anonymous No.9762583]

>>9762576
I don’t care about the harder aspect. Cosplaying isn’t a huge hobby for me. I go to like one or two cons a year if I’m lucky because I have a full-time job that means a lot to me. You are what’s wrong with cosplay. I’m going to keep doing it for fun and I hope it pisses people like you off to no end.

[Anonymous No.9762588]

>mfw this thread
Thot cosplayer here. I buy everything and get all the attention along with beta orbiters. Stay mad fat roasties.

Maybe if you lost 100 lbs and knew how to make up people would ask you for a picture.

[Anonymous No.9762603]

>>9762578
>acknowledging that cosplay is changing
>>nothing ever changes!

Ya no. Everything comes and goes in waves. One day lewd cosplay will come to an end. Right now it's in its peak though so it'll be awhile. Sit tight till then anon and maybe consider being less of a fatty for the next wave.

[Anonymous No.9762605]

>>9762588
Can I support your Paetron

[Anonymous No.9762606]

>>9762576
Do you have friends

[Anonymous No.9762612]

>>9762588
The only roastie here is you anon~

Now choke on my cock because that's all you're good for <3

[Anonymous No.9762626]

>>9762605

Sure you can hon

https://www.patreon.com/verabambi

[Anonymous No.9762628]

>>9762540
>>9762545
>>9762576

>implying anyone gives a fuck about tabao cosplays

they're a dime a dozen at cons and there to take cheap yaoi pics with their friends. they're not important enough to be a problem. you sound like a thot fapping neckbeard trying to discredit the whole argument by equating normie sluts making money off a hobby they dont' care about and buying a costume to drink with friends

Only thots and their supporters use the "EVERYBODY WANTS ATTENTION AND UR JELLY" argument.

[Anonymous No.9762631]

>>9762626
>personality based content

But costhots don't have personalities, that's why they're costhots

[Anonymous No.9762636]

>>9762535
>I'm curious why you waste energy on being annoyed over something so trivial
I think it's pretty normal to wish for the "good old days" as long as you don't take it too far. However if I had to put my finger on what's actually annoying about it, >>9761209 summed it up well.

[Anonymous No.9762707]

Post pics

[Anonymous No.9762750]

>>9762603

Your reading comprehension is shaky. Did you score well on those tests that made you read a long paragraph and then ask you questions about it?

>>9762571
Said it wouldn't change no matter what people say or do.

I said it does change.
Please do think you know what I look like. Because I can certainly tell what you think like and man cognitive skills...need improvement.

[Anonymous No.9762754]

Why are people acting like sexy cosplay is ‘new’?? Literally the first major con in America was a Star Trek Con with Orion dancer cosplayers. So. What. Get over it. Leave cosplayers alone if they aren’t being assholes wtf is wrong just have fun this isn’t curing cancer or a serious business. It’s just costume play.

[Anonymous No.9762755]

>>9762388
Poor intel-Chan throwing his trademark tantrum uwu

[Anonymous No.9762757]

>>9762583
>don’t care about the harder aspect.

Obvious. It may pour over into other aspects of your life. Fix it before it cost you some opportunity.

>Cosplaying isn’t a huge hobby for me.
It's not for a lot of folks. They still bother to try and make their stuff.

Glad you have a good job though. That's important.

Keep on ebaying it up. It will get old just buying things and then you will be gone from the hobby having gained no skills like how to mend torn clothes, fix shoes so they fit, cut your own bangs, rewire a bad light, clean a really bad stain out of a beloved item of clothing.

All you will know how to do is put in a credit card number and wait for someone to fix it for you.
You are what's wrong with the general populace.

Bright side is....at least you have a good job though. That means you can fork over that cash over and over and over again when things break.

Happy you!

[Anonymous No.9762759]

>>9762612
Omfg I wonder how often you contemplate suicide incel-chan. Your mother has to be fascinating.

[Anonymous No.9762772]

>>9762750
Apparently you're the one that can't even understand a short sentence. I said "now" because currently normies have indeed warped cosplay to what it is now. I was also correct in saying nothing anon does will change shit. Throwing a hissy fit behind a keyboard is reaaallll productive.

[Anonymous No.9762797]

>>9761170
lies

[Anonymous No.9762804]

>>9762757
at least half of those still apply even if you're buying your cosplay, get the fuck off your high horse

[Anonymous No.9762812]

>>9762757
I know most of the skills you mentioned bc I mainly am a lolita lmao

[Anonymous No.9762813]

henceforth all cosplay you dislike is known as COSPLAGUE

[Anonymous No.9762843]

>>9759733

Got a source on that?

[Anonymous No.9762845]

>>9762540
or alternatively you could kys

[Anonymous No.9762988]

>>9762759
I see I struck a nerve :^)

[Anonymous No.9763216]

>>9761898
Creeping on these girls when they're potentially clueless that more than they intended is showing ? Let me get right onto that! /s

[Anonymous No.9763239]

>>9762988
Incel-kun omg!!! A face with a nose?? Does this mean incel-kun is in his 40s?? How pathetic my fav!! Does your mama still put out for you when your this old or did she (more than likely) already die cuz her heart gave out cuz she was like 400 lbs and treated you like shit cuz she was a shit mom and yet you STILL wanted to fuck her but now that she’s dead you’re oh so lonely??

Poor incel-kun it’s ok. There’s still masturbation. uvu

[Anonymous No.9763241]

>>9762988
Incel-kun please it’s sosososp important for me to know how your mom is??!

[Anonymous No.9763248]

>>9759687
>that tweets
Yeah, thots are being excluded from this hobby, and so are their pathetic beta orbiters who will throw money at women for having their tits out. What now?

[Anonymous No.9763249]

>>9763248
They're not even being excluded though, some people just expressed opinions that they don't want to hear. Bullying!!!11

[Anonymous No.9763254]

>>9759687
This question is pretty pointless on /cgl/. You already know that the general consensus on here is against inclusivity. People generally hate both overweight AND sexy cosplayers.

[Anonymous No.9763259]

>>9763254
They usually have something in common...coincidence..?

[Anonymous No.9763315]

The spergy anon parroting the bullshit about "there was always sexy cosplay guys!!!!" is either a newfag or intentionally trying to twist the truth or play dumb to pacify the opposing side. Yes, people were cosplaying slutty and sexy characters before. It's true. Nobody fucking denies that. People have been doing slave Leia since forever. But cosplay, as a concept, WAS NOT associated with sexuality back then.

Popular cosplayers were often semi-attractive, but mainly known for their superb craft. That's because their fans were other cosplayers, fans of the characters they cosplayed, or just appreciated their craftsmanship in general. Money was made by selling prints, patterns or commissions. Now that normies come to cosplay for tits and sideswept bangs, a cosplayer can have an audience of hundreds of thousands of people who all come to see them take their clothes off. They're the ones that get a million FB likes that get them invited to conventions as "cosplay guests" as it's a cheap way for a subpar convention to attract their fans to come see their waifu in flesh. This further perpetuates the idea of cosplay being centered around sex appeal and only serving the male gaze with girls in bikini armor/bodysuits from games with a massive male audience.

This creates the phenomenon we see today and most certainly did not exist before 2014. Cosplaying girls were seen just as what they were, girls dressing up as their favourite characters and sex appeal wasn't expected of them. If anything, it was thought to be weird for a person to dress up as a fictional character and even more so if they put actual effort into it. This mindset still exists though, people STILL see you as a weirdo if you cosplay a character that is fully clothed. So cosplay at its core hasn't even become socially acceptable. We've gained nothing from exposing it to the mainstream. It just became worse.

[Anonymous No.9763321]

>>9762631
Anon! Are you implying that the SO random and quirky nerd gurrl with a SEXY side ;) isn't an unique kind of personality? How dare you!

>>9762491
>YOU. Are part of the problem. Support the "non costhot" cosplayers then.
I actually do. I think everyone here does. But alas, we can't outnumber the hundreds of thousands of normies looking for softcore porn. But I still support every cosplayer I truly appreciate, and those fall into the category of "likes the source, has diversity and good craftsmanship skills and a nice personality". Not "thot that slapped a bikini's worth of worbla on the character of the month while stirring up drama on social media".

[Anonymous No.9763332]

>>9763315
>>9763321
This, the problem with "well just support the non-thots then" is that costhots pander to the lowest common denominator and so their supporters eaily outnumber the rest of us. It's depressing.

[Anonymous No.9763370]

>>9763239
>>9763241

are u ok anon

[Anonymous No.9763407]

>>9763321
Speak for yourself, I support plenty of costhots

[Anonymous No.9763413]

>>9763332
That's very true. They're changing the hobby into something it's not. The subgenre idea I thought was a decent bandaid but the problem is that it's a retreat from the hobby. An aggressive idea to take back the hobby is start labeling things as authentic cosplay. That's what people really want is authenticity in the hobby and if they're going to take over the hobby make them feel unauthentic for low effort softcore porn attempts. That will cause a split to allow for thots to cosplay but not really cosplay like they're doing and their beta-orbiters to have their scene and people that actually like to cosplay for the sake of it to be held in higher regard.

[Anonymous No.9763442]

>>9763370
It's just autism anon very sad

[Anonymous No.9763449]

>>9763332
Honestly they shouldn't be called costhots, just thots
it's literally just thot dress-up

>>9763321
>we can't outnumber the hundreds of thousands of normies looking for softcore porn
don't remind me

[Anonymous No.9763458]

>>9763449
Let's call it thotplay.

[Anonymous No.9763483]

>>9763413
I like this idea, but remember that it's a numbers game. As others have mentioned, the non-cosplayer audience who supports thots outnumbers the actual number of cosplayers at this point. It would be impossible for a minority to somehow force the majority into doing something they don't want to do unless you can think of an appealing reason for them to do so. I don't know what that reason would be, but it can't be "call it something else" - no skimpy cosplayer would ever do that unless you either bullied them out of the scene or offered a better alternative.

[Anonymous No.9763488]

>>9763483
This is why I also think subgenres is the best solution I've seen in the thread. It's appealing because it gives thotties' fanboys a more precise search term, which means more exposure. Similarly it separates those people away from non-thottie cosplayers.

[Anonymous No.9763492]

>Support the "non costhot" cosplayers then.
That's going to be a firm no. Most cosplayers are going to take most of their expendable income and put it into their hobby. They aren't going to pay someone else to enjoy their hobby. That's like telling musicians to support each other financially. The people who are financially supporting cosplayers are not cosplayers, they're normies buying porn. It's kind of like fanart. You can spend thousands of hours trying to become a great artist who's work gets recognized, or you could just draw porn of popular characters and get millions of views.

As for the make VS buy stuff, there's nothing wrong with buying a cosplay as long as they aren't claiming they made it or entering contests where bought costumes are against the rules. Some people just aren't into the construction aspect, just like not everyone tries to roleplay the character they cosplay as. People enjoy cosplay for different reasons.

[Anonymous No.9763503]

Probably better for the feels thread but
>vaguely knows girl in local cosplay comm
>is 14 (15?)
>posts sexy-posed lingerie photos on public instagram
>also complains on ig how her mom is strict when she's inactive
>what to do??? don't really know her well enough to confront her that what she's doing is potentially dangerous??

idk feels bad man,, kind of put things into perspective for how this hobby has changed...

[Anonymous No.9763519]

>>9763503
Not your responsibility. People have to learn that stuff the hard way, advice or a warning from you isn’t going to change anything. Unfortunate, but that’s life.

[Anonymous No.9763533]

>>9763458
Gonna pick up that term, anon. Thanks.

>>9763492
>The people who are financially supporting cosplayers are not cosplayers, they're normies buying porn.
That's a perfect way to put it, anon. They're not supporting a cosplayer's hobby, they're buying porn. The whole idea of cosplayers having to have someone pay for their hobby is stupid anyway and the thotplayers have standardized the idea of putting up a patreon to beg for money. It's ridiculous, nobody should expect to be paid for a hobby unless they're providing some sort of substance for people to pay money for.

[Anonymous No.9763880]

>>9759687
Cosplay is for everyone. Cosplay is about the craft and not the clothes. Modeling cosplay is not cosplay. When the only thing you have done in your hobby is buy other people’s creations, you’re a collector. It doesn’t matter how you display them, you collect cosplay.

[Anonymous No.9763887]

>>9763880
Um cosplay is costume play. You do realize that overseas people rarely make their costumes right? So everyone at comiket is not a cosplayer?

[Anonymous No.9763890]

>>9763533
>they're providing some sort of substance for people to pay money for.

Sexy pictures ARE substance.

[Anonymous No.9763903]

>>9763315
>This creates the phenomenon we see today and most certainly did not exist before 2014.
I honestly saw this emerging between 2008 and 2012, with the latter year being the absolute tipping point. That was just my observation. May I ask why you cite 2014 as the year it all went to shit? Just curious

[Anonymous No.9763932]

This seems a lot like a non-issue point people are trying to virtue signal over

It's not like annoyed comments on the internet about sexy cosplay are hurting anyone at all

[Anonymous No.9763933]

>>9763903
Not that anon, but

2010-2011 was when Nigri blew up
2013 is when entertainment industry wanted piece of the pie and put out one of the most half-assed, insincere TV show about cosplay
So 2014 is when the bubble increased due to massive media exposure

[Anonymous No.9763937]

>>9763890
somebody should make a kickstarter for a chain of sexy cosplayers producing soft porn pics on demand, sounds as a good enterprise, those cosplayers in exchange for a cut from the profits will be saved from the hassle with patreon

[Anonymous No.9763964]

>>9763932
>Rolls into thread without reading the last 200 comments debating this point

[Anonymous No.9764034]

>>9763887
overseas cosplayers don't get heavy media exposure like other countries' cosplayers. They're usually low-key in their own countries.

[Anonymous No.9764083]

An inclusive community for purely aesthetic reasons, bad attitudes can fuck right off.

[Anonymous No.9764290]

>>9763903
I've been cosplaying actively since 2005 and this definitely didn't inflate until around 2014. Because that's coincidentally the year when the reality series "Heroes of Cosplay" was airing in full force. For those who are not familiar with it, it was basically Project Runway with overdramatic thots making cosplays for rigged contests. JNig gained momentum sooner than that, sure, but people were still mainly laughing at her tiddy cosplays and treating her as an outlier. After around that time she suddenly gained a reputation as a ~real cosplayer~ when Ryan started making her overkill Zach Fischer armor costumes.

[Anonymous No.9764391]

>>9763413
>They're changing the hobby into something it's not.
That's where you are incorrect. Cosplay itself has remained the same. Attention whores playing dressup can call themselves cosplayers, but they aren't. It doesn't cheapen the hobby when they only appear to be part of it on the surface, and fail miserably at their attempt.

[Anonymous No.9764393]

>>9759687
How is saying that something is ruining something, excluding people?

I'm not a cosplayer, not really. I've done a couple of quick, cheap costumes before, but nothing of note. But I am a fan of cosplay and cosplayers in general. I do think that sexy and sexualized cosplay and cosplayers are ruining the hobby/activity.
That doesn't mean that I think they should all be excluded. It doesn't mean that I think there should be no sexiness and all body parts and limbs should be completely covered. It means that I think there is too much of it and that there is too great a focus on it, to the detriment of other aspects. I think there needs to be less of it, but I don't think it needs to be done away with completely.

Also
>You can't say something is for everyone, then exclude people.
Of course you can. When people say everyone, or everything, they're not actually talking about EVERYone or EVERYthing. They really mean MOST people/things. To take someone saying EVERYone as literal is fucking retarded.

Example
>Cosplay is for EVERYone!
So does that include the creepy unrepentant pedophile?
No?
Then you've excluded someone, meaning you don't actually mean EVERYone.

[Anonymous No.9764406]

>>9762327
>>9762388
>>9762465
Costhots are those who are both kind of hot but obviously fucked and socially retarded/liars/manipulators in highschool. They're that one crazy bitch that has no self awareness and makes everyone hate her with her psychotic antics and attention seeking. I can see exactly why someone would've been bullied in highschool now makes money off sweaty beta nerds on the internet.

[Anonymous No.9764477]

>>9764406
You have the wildest imagination on an incel level. Jfc anon if you legitimately believe this you're the damaged one here and some of the fat on your stomach must be in your brain too.

[Anonymous No.9764482]

>>9764393
>>Cosplay is for EVERYone!
>So does that include the creepy unrepentant pedophile?

it is not how it works, you can't really bring up unrelated crimes or unpleasant kinks when you discuss something

what's next, will you attempt to claim that cosplay is not for terrorists?

>imagins a pedophile cosplaying big bad wolf... or maybe red riding hood

[Anonymous No.9764485]

>>9764482
I think she was being hyperbolic to an effect as you were with the terrorist comment. The point was what is the limit of exclusion?

[Anonymous No.9764493]

>>9764485
depends on the community rules i suppose. outside of a specific community the question doesn't really make much sense, i can easily imagine a community for cosplaying pedophiles and terrorists, even though it would probably need deep web to be hosted

[Anonymous No.9764494]

>>9764493
>Deep web
Lol

[Anonymous No.9764499]

>>9764494
ok, an onion site or a peer to peer application of some kind

[Anonymous No.9764522]

>>9764493
I did not expect for my attempt at furthering the conversation to be considered an argument for refutation via absolute retardation. Tell me if this terrorist cell on the deep web that cosplays is real or merely a hypothetical for shits and giggles.

[Anonymous No.9764536]

>>9764522
let's say, pedo sites with dress-ups exist

it's not what i wanted to say though, i only noted that it makes little sense to discuss exclusion rules if you don't specify a certain community, especially when you are talking about much less creepy things than paedophilia, bringing up those things was silly , i have already told it too

[Anonymous No.9764550]

>>9764493
>cosplaying terrorists

>hey Uftar
>yes Abdul?
>Why the fuck is Mohammed dressed like an infidel schoolgirl?
>It's some thing he found on the deep web, he calls it cosplay
>But why is he dressed so slutty? If he had tits they'd be hanging out. Completely haram.
>Just ignore it and help me pick out stockings that go with my A/P skirt and semtex vest.

[Anonymous No.9764679]

>>9763503
This. All the underage cosplayers suddenly posting “lewds” and getting angry when called out about it has got to stop. Unfortunately you can’t do much to change their minds, but the prevalence of this kind of stuff is pretty disgusting. Especially from the perspective of older girls in the hobby that remember at that age just being excited to throw on a school uniform from a shoujo manga or whatever.

[Anonymous No.9764691]

>>9764679
chimping out at horny teens has literally never done a single damn thing to stop them throughout human history, are you really surprised?

[Anonymous No.9764726]

>>9760026
Nice projection right there

[Anonymous No.9764988]

>>9764477
Do you really find that too hard to believe? Sorry i should've clarified I didn't mean every costhot, I just wouldn't be surprised at all to hear they have been bullied in highschool. The anon who i replied to probably deserved to be bullied as she is most likely crazy, and she seems to believe that she deserves to ruin a hobby because she needs attention and money because of it.

[Anonymous No.9765003]

>>9763315
so did i hallucinate yuffie bunny and franseca dani? sexy cosplayers who had their lewds behind a paywall back in 2007?

>people STILL see you as a weirdo if you cosplay a character that is fully clothed.

literally fucking where? where is anyone being harassed for not wearing a revealing costume?

[Anonymous No.9765020]

>>9765003
Francesca Dani wasn't a fucking lingerie cosplayer. Sure she was an attention whore, but she actually liked the hobby and the characters and most of the time she was fully clothed. Her altfashion modeling was a different field. You know how she became famous? By winning the fucking World Cosplay Summit. The same goes for Yuffie.

And yes, nerd sluts existed even back then. But still pandering to sex-lusting normies buying softcore porn WAS NOT THE FUCKING MAINSTREAM ORIENTATION OF COSPLAY. How fucking hard is it to understand? I swear people could explain it over and over again until the cows come home and there would still be some dense asshole repeating "nu-uh!!! look at this sexy star trek cosplay from the 1970s!!!!".

[Anonymous No.9765051]

This must a week of 'hey let's call out concerned cosplayers to make me and my fanbase look better while I still rake in money for not doing anything'

Who's next to jump into this shallow hypocrisy?

[Anonymous No.9765057]

>>9765020
Oh so now she actually like the hobby and earned her WCS win? Because that was absolutely not the narrative about her on cgl for the last decade and you know it, she was considered a proto-nigri, except more shameless since she actually did more raunchy work.

[Anonymous No.9765083]

>>9765051
Of course she would deflect the blame to craftsmanship cosplayers...

[Anonymous No.9765229]

>>9763315

Thank you. I've tried to explain this to people but they have their hur-dur on and don't listen.

I've been around for 20 years and I remember a few cosplayers had the occasional Naga or Kei/Yuri cosplay but that wasn't their ONLY stuff. They also had 5 or 6 other cosplays that were craft based.

[Anonymous No.9765236]

>>9765083

The blame is to people like you who dont support the craftsmanship cosplayers

Why should people spend hours making elaborate cosplay for no reward when they can stick on a blonde wig and do a "boudoir Samus" in their undies for $$$$?

[Anonymous No.9765245]

>>9765051
How insulated do you have to be to not see you caused the problem that craftsmanship based cosplayers aren't getting funds?

Oh...that insulated.
She has little to no self examination on herself.

[Anonymous No.9765251]

>>9764482
Look up. Just tilt your head back and look up above you.
You might be able to see the point I was making.

Actually it's probably too far up for you to see, so let me dumb it right down for you.
People are not perfect. Words are not perfect. People do not use words perfectly. When people say things they do not necessarily mean that in a 1000% literal way. As such, it is stupid to take everything people say as literal.

Example
Someone says
>Go straight through the roundabout
They don't literally mean that you go STRAIGHT THROUGH the roundabout.
What they actually meant is
>Take the exit directly opposite the one from which you entered, so that on a map it would look like you went straight through.

Another example
Someone tells you
>Every man and his dog in town was at the meeting last night
They don't literally mean that every single male who lives in town and owns a dog attended that meeting and brought said dog with them.
What they mean uss
>There were a lot of people at the meeting last night.

Therefore when someone says "Cosplay is for Everyone" they don't really mean everyone...
Alysons Tabitha, assumedly supports "Cosplay is for EVERYONE". But at a guess, I'd say she'd happily exclude anyone that she considers a elitist or bully. So she probably doesn't mean EVERYONE.
That's the point I was making. Stop taking words so fucking literal.

[Anonymous No.9765304]

>>9765051
>>9765236
We've been over this point already, see >>9763492

But at this point it's more about the dishonesty of how they're making money than anything else. Calling yourself a "sexy cosplayer" sounds better than telling people you're a "softcore porn model who cosplays." Not everyone who does a sexy cosplay also strips for a camera to make money. Remember Anna Kournikova? Most people would say, "She was that famous tennis player." Well, she was a professional tennis player but she became rich and famous as a bikini model. Meanwhile Venus Williams, a tennis player that regularly won world tounaments, was widely unknown.

I don't have a problem with sexy cosplays. I don't have a problem with undwear/bikini models. I don't have a problem with models that like to cosplay. I have a problem that people who are making money by taking pictures without their clothes on are calling themselves cosplayers.

[Anonymous No.9765309]

Still ITT angry fatties unable to pull betas NEETbucks

[Anonymous No.9765447]

>>9764726
>projection
It's funny how basic child psychology is considered, "projecting." This board is filled with immature girls that have issues with their self-image. They compete and compete, and bash other to make up for the lack of attention and social interaction they get in the physical world.
Tl;dr this board is made up of adult-children, grow up.

[Anonymous No.9765568]

>>9759758

I agree with you. If Lolita's who are covered up and show less skin than most sexy cosplay (I say most because Panther from Persona 5 is covered and yet lays around with her butt in the air when shes knocked out) and yet I've known of Lolita wearers who have had people of the general public come up to them and ask if its a fetish thing. So if they're fucked then we've got an impossible deal from the start and the sexy cosplayers aren't helping.

I don't care if people want to cosplay characters who have a sexy air about them within the series, sometimes it's part of their charm. But it's when people go out of their way to take Love Live characters, or any other underaged or schoolgirl characters and make bunny girl groups, lingerie shoots etc.
Heck, Sagiri from Eromanga Sensei is 14 and I still see people giving it the green card for lewd photoshoots simply because the character can draw it, when in actuality the character is incredibly innocent and wouldn't be caught dead doing suggestive poses unless its for the sake of art (which she then gets other people in to do for her later on)

Nowadays we just have people who will buy a cosplay, wear it once and sell it immediately before it's gotten cold from their body heat. Sometimes they just bought it on a whim because it was flavour of the month and sell it off in its packaging because it took to long to arrive and is no longer relevant. I'm sick of it.

[Anonymous No.9765578]

>>9765447
Thank you anon. You are so helpful you even provided an example.

[Anonymous No.9765587]

>>9765051
Pretty much >>9765245 . Lisa Lou Who has the craftsmanship chops and gets my respect for that, but a big reason she's so popular is because of how many sexy or boob-centric cosplays she makes in addition to that. Once again, most of her followers and supporters aren't cosplayers, they're thirsty guys. It's really short-sighted to put the onus on the cosplay community to match and exceed the amount of cash you're receiving from a larger normie audience.

[Anonymous No.9765592]

>>9765236

Why should anyone have to support anybody fiscally though? Sure, go and give them likes and share their page, but no one should have to put money into someone else's pockets for something which boils down to being a hobby.
This is another thing I hate about what cosplay has become, it's not about how many wins at various comps you have, it's how much cash people will throw at you, and that's part of the problem and cause for more of these skimpy cosplayers. If money wasn't involved at all then this probably wouldn't have happened.

[Anonymous No.9765620]

>>9759965

BETA MALES CONFIRM VALUABLE.

*opens twitch dollars*

[Anonymous No.9765622]

>>9760171

Betaaaaa

[Anonymous No.9765628]

The thirsty beta tribe is responsible for the booming popularity of sexu cosplay.

The beta uprising cannot he stopped.

[Anonymous No.9765853]

>>9765309
still ITT lonely beta boys who wants to defend their fetish to their parents by yelling 'SEE MOM? ANIME IS REAL!'

[Anonymous No.9766416]

>>9765304
>But at this point it's more about the dishonesty of how they're making money than anything else. Calling yourself a "sexy cosplayer" sounds better than telling people you're a "softcore porn model who cosplays." Not everyone who does a sexy cosplay also strips for a camera to make money.
I'd rather know they do softcore porn while wearing costumes, so that way I know what to look for when I want a quick fap.


>Remember Anna Kournikova? Most people would say, "She was that famous tennis player." Well, she was a professional tennis player but she became rich and famous as a bikini model. Meanwhile Venus Williams, a tennis player that regularly won world tounaments, was widely unknown.
Anna Kournikova is a name that you can say aloud to myself and any of my friends and coworkers, and we all know her as a bikini model. Nobody cares that she played tennis at some point. Venus Williams, on the other hand, is known for her tennis career. Your logic fails....

[Anonymous No.9767012]

>>9765003
>literally fucking where? where is anyone being harassed for not wearing a revealing costume?


My friends get this shit on their facebook pages all the time. Guys try to argue that they are wearing too much clothing. It's gotten to the point where they are being harassed constantly about it and they've the most modest cosplayers I know.

You wouldn't know because you're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.9767019]

>>9767012
>Guys try to argue that they are wearing too much clothing. It's gotten to the point where they are being harassed constantly about it and they've the most modest cosplayers I know.
So, things that have never happened? People online are bold, but this doesn't happen unless they did porn at some point. Or you're blowing it out proportion. Like saying "HE NEARLY YANKED MY ARM OFF" to a gentle tug at the shoulder.

[Anonymous No.9767202]

>>9767019
You wouldn't know because you're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.9767714]

The thing that drives me the craziest are the big name cosplayers of the past that skulk around looking for criticisms against cosplay thots so they can jump in and get all the attention for being such an inclusive sexually liberated hero sempai. Jessie Pridemore is extra bad for this and I always suspect that she's in these threads; she makes the "I've been around for years and sexy cosplay has allllllllways been around" argument constantly.

[Anonymous No.9767757]

>>9767019
>People online are bold, but this doesn't happen unless they did porn at some point.
I think every semi-famous female cosplayer with an online presence has gotten a random solicitation for a nude photoshoot even if they don't do sexy cosplay. Even a polite reply such as "no, I don't do that sort of thing" will get something like "fuck you too bitch" in response. I know of one cosplayer who indulged someone's foot fetish by doing a barefoot photoshoot because she didn't think it was a big deal. After that she was getting all kinds of weird and creepy requests.

At conventions, people are no where near as aggressive as they are online, but that doesn't mean you won't have the occasional photographer invite you to their room for a boudoir photoshoot. Or someone suggesting that you do a skimpy cosplay because "you have the body for it" when you're fully clothed.

Are you denying that stuff like this ever happens or do you think "all the time" doesn't apply unless it happens to every woman multiple times per hour?

On a side note, why do you get so offended when women tell you this stuff does happen to them? No one is accusing you personally of doing it.

[Anonymous No.9768034]

>>9765051
This bitch needs to be slapped.

>>9765245
The absolutely most heinous thing is that these costhots love to throw around their social media/patreon numbers pull the "see how much money I make??? that must mean I'M the better cosplayer!!" move every single time. It's not a fucking indicator of your skill and professionalism, it means you pander to a larger audience, i.e. thirsty normie men looking for porn. LouWho's tweet was massively offensive towards anyone who ever put effort into their craft-based hobby, she KNOWS what's the core issue and still chooses to act like a cunt about it.
>No it's not my fault, even if I brought in the normies with my softcore porn and ruined cosplay's reputation for everyone by redefining it as camgirling! It's because the small audience of this hobby who sincerely appreciate cosplay as an art form just don't ~care~ enough because they can't reach the headcount of pornhub viewer base!
Most cosplayers don't even WANT to make money off their fanbase outside of commissions because it poisons the whole hobby like these thots have showcased time and time again.

[Anonymous No.9768040]

>>9767714
>The thing that drives me the craziest are the big name cosplayers of the past that skulk around looking for criticisms against cosplay thots so they can jump in and get all the attention for being such an inclusive sexually liberated hero sempai.
THIS.
God I'm so thankful I'm not the only one who has noticed all these washed up past cosplay celebrities trying to rekindle their flame by sucking up to these thots or worse yet, trying to imitate them. It's cringey as hell and makes me go fucking nuts.

[Anonymous No.9768063]

I'd appreciate sexy cosplayers more if they put out stuff worth fapping to. If you're going to try and make me donate to your Patreon then you better be putting out more than those stupid pseudo nude photos. Link up with another cosplayer and make a tribadism video or do some oil wrestling.

They always do the absolute bare minimum.

[Anonymous No.9768905]

>>9768034

I like you. I want to subscribe to your newsletter.
I wish we could say this stuff out loud to get these people to wise up on their lack of awareness. I am so tired of them having this asininely stupid hollow perspective that doesn't hold water as soon as you squint at it.

Being a selfish narrow minded low effort human keeps them from seeing their actions have consequences outside of themselves.

>>9768063
>They always do the absolute bare minimum.

That is the kind of person who does this. They aren't deep. If they were they wouldn't be doing lewds and nudes for money.

[Anonymous No.9768970]

>>9759707
>>9759712
this
If you're going to be lazy, make it funny, not sexy
If you're going to be sexy, make sure the character is actually recognizable within a few seconds

[Anonymous No.9772843]

The cognitive dissonance here is amazing. You guys say that cosplaying for attention is bad yet you claim that not getting attention from strangers ruins cosplaying for you.

[Anonymous No.9772846]

>>9767757
I'm not even remotely well known but even I get messages like that, mostly telling me to cosplay certain AU/fanart versions of characters I've already done a canon outfit of. Then I look up the AU/fanart and surprise, it's extremely skimpy. I've never even done cleavage or midriff so why do these guys think I'd be interested in a costume where my entire ass is hanging out? Oh right, because female cosplayers exist for their sexual gratification.
>Even a polite reply such as "no, I don't do that sort of thing" will get something like "fuck you too bitch" in response
Every fucking time.

>>9772843
You realize that attention comes in different forms, right?

[Anonymous No.9772872]

>>9759687
i think people worry too much about whether they're """valid""" or not and it's all just useless pomo crap

[Anonymous No.9773166]

>>9760085
>>9760085
>>9760085


well shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or4WEWLj46E

[Anonymous No.9773200]

>>9767757
>>9767757
I've had the "you should do a cosplay that shows more skin because you have the body for it" line said to me a couple times. Looking back at it I'm not sure if they knew I was crossplaying.

[Anonymous No.9773233]

>>9773166
Am I the only one who thinks she’s overrated and feels like her friendliness is fake?

[Anonymous No.9773312]

>>9773166
Anyone can use photoshop to look like somebody else.

[Anonymous No.9773331]

>>9773233
yes, just like every other patreonized 'adult cosplayers'. They don't care about cosplay, they just want money.

[Anonymous No.9773582]

>>9772846
>You realize that attention comes in different forms, right?
Who cares? If how how many neckbeard bucks and facebook likes someone else gets makes you enjoy the hobby less you're in it for the wrong reasons.

[Anonymous No.9774249]

>>9773166
Well, that most certainly explains everything. Saw it kinda coming.

>>9773233
No, I think this is what everyone with a brain realizes.

[Anonymous No.9774298]

Why are people acting like Alyson created the concept of taking a picture in and out of cosplay?
That shit has been around for ages. She’s even showcasing people who do it to show it’s her thing.

I think all the publicity has really gotten to her head.

[Anonymous No.9774919]

Face it, if you're upset by attractive people getting more attention for their cosplays it just means your a bitter fatty who makes excuses. Put down the fork and maybe you'll get more attention you weak-willed skanks

[Anonymous No.9774988]

>>9774919
Hi Alyson

[Anonymous No.9774993]

>>9774988
Nah, just a /fit/izen :^)

[Anonymous No.9775029]

>>9759687
Only cosplayers I don't like are the landwhales who are cosplaying as a character who is 1/3rd their weight.

[Anonymous No.9775067]

>>9759687
Cosplay is for everyone
Judging people is also for everyone.

[Anonymous No.9775081]

>>9774919
>>9774993
Silly /fit/, thots aren't people.
Now post gains or GTFO.

[Anonymous No.9775085]

Why is it a zero sum game? Why does the cosplay community has accept every toxic individual or else we are not being inclusive. A community can be welcoming and have behaviors that are shunned because they harm the group as a whole. In the U.S. anyone can start a business but if you are a tax cheat that behavior is shunned because it hurts the whole community. This is no different. If you are a cosplayer that profits off of the community through lewd cosplay you are profitting off of the collective good will of the community, and injecting toxic people into the community who purchase your material. They bring their toxic expectations into the community. Why should the community put up with those consequences or the source of the problem in the name of being welcoming. Being welcoming and having underlying ethics is essential for any self substantiating community.

[Anonymous No.9775095]

>>9775085
lmao okay let's just shun and excommunicate all the people who are "toxic" because they showed a titty. Because "ethics"

[Anonymous No.9775096]

>>9775095
Yeah, why don't we just turn anime cons into brothels right bro haha

[Anonymous No.9775372]

>>9775096
Better ban anyone who likes hentai too. Don’t want cons turning into the AVNs.

[Anonymous No.9775380]

>>9775095
No, how about we shun someone because she bullied a bunch of teenage cosplayers for being new and unknown

[Anonymous No.9775400]

>Don't give slutty cosplays attention
>Give ME attention

Choose one
In the end you just want attention whether it is for sex appeal or not.

Also remember there are PLENTY of "revealing" cosplays ....but the ones that are actually "steal attention" are the good-looking people wearing them.

For example just a regular school uniform with a short skirt is going to look more "OMG SLUT" on a fit pretty girl with a nice rack...than you know ..a fat gross pig wearing the same outfit.

[Anonymous No.9775416]

>>9775085
Geek Social Fallacies. Ostracising someone is always wrong, even if that person is a bully who makes others miserable.

[Anonymous No.9775431]

>>9761781
This is such a ridiculous strawman. As a bystander to this conversation to looks like you are intentional mistaking this guy's point.

[Anonymous No.9775434]

>>9775431
That's what people on here do whenever they realize someone's male. That's why I usually keep it to myself. Reveal that you're a guy and any point you make is gonna be taken way it if context and as far away from what you meant as possible

[Anonymous No.9775437]

>>9775380
Except the conversation is clearly about sexy cosplay, not bullying.

[Anonymous No.9775439]

>>9762308
>All of the girls who offer lewds are bullies. They are the same girls who were popular in school and bullied the nerds.

False
Please shove this down your dirty cunt
I take lewd pictures now, I don't sell them but I like to dress that way now since my body is different, I'm 26,

I didn't go to prom at all, my last 2 years in highschool I walked around the cafeteria during lunch because even the anime fags didn't want me near (to me they were the most social, they always talk to each other and were so loud) sometimes I would get a seat there but usually I would be asked to leave to make room for a more important guest.

I was a stick figure and was flat chested, not until my mid-20s I started to fill out well,
"nerds" are just as cruel as Chad and Stacy normies. If you had two or even one friend to sit with at lunch don't try and be on this "bullied" level, you didn't have to sit in the bathroom until lunch period was over. If you were in high school and lunch was your favorite time of the day fuck off with this oppressed garbage.

Times are probably much different now, I graduated in 2010.

[Anonymous No.9775467]

>>9775439
What is up with people on /cgl/ posting their life stories
Nobody gives a shit, man

[Anonymous No.9775493]

>>9775439
You can see the same thing if you look at any group if male nerdy friends
One usually tried to be the alpha nerd and picks in or two people to pick on over and over

[Anonymous No.9775573]

>>9761781
You're fucking braindead.

[Anonymous No.9775576]

>>9775439
No one gives a shit. Stop ruining this hobby to satisfy your fragile ego.

[Anonymous No.9775586]

>>9775400
>you can't be a fatass AND a coswhore
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.9775588]

>>9764034
That doesn't change the fact that it's cosplay still? This doesn't make sense. That's like saying if no one sees your cosplay posted online, you never cosplayed in the first place.

[Anonymous No.9775596]

>>9775439
You poor baby, here's 3 million karma and upboats for your sad leddit story.

Also, your fault for choosing not to go to prom. Proms nowadays are 75% women anyway, men now are such cucks that they stay home and play vidya or fap instead of trying to find a date or go with friends.

[Anonymous No.9775616]

>>9775596
Go to prom with who?
By myself?
I had no friends you mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.9775622]

>>9775586
I would unironically marry PT

[Anonymous No.9775630]

What does everyone think of this?

[Anonymous No.9775638]

>>9775630
Sounds like they're trying to draw attention away from the fact that they don't have any real skills, just a set of tits.

[Anonymous No.9775640]

>>9775630
>Spoiler more people on the planet like boobs than your shitty halo suit.

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.9775642]

>>9775630
it's true but it shouldn't be
there's no skill in having tits and doing the same porn makeup in every cosplay

there is skill in making your own cosplays and varying up your skills and techniques every time
I blame the thirsty retards over on /v/ and /a/ who this tits = good cosplay

[Anonymous No.9775644]

>>9775085
But, they're not hurting the community.

[Anonymous No.9775659]

>>9759687
imo, cosplay is for everyone. That doesn't mean the community has to like you, or acknowledge you, or let you into events, but nobody is stopping you from looking like a shitty goku or whatever. That's kind of the original spirit of cosplay

[Anonymous No.9775667]

>>9775630
I don't really give a fuck that they get more social media likes because magical internet numbers mean NOTHING to me. I care about being labeled a cheap sex worker because these thots are driving cosplay to have just that reputation. Because these cunts are social media whores they think everyone wants to be one and that's why they're so against their "profession". Not everyone is a narcissist piece of shit. Some people in this hobby genuinely care about the community.

[Anonymous No.9775670]

>>9775667
>Some people in this hobby genuinely care about the community.

The community was always shit, full of drama and bitching. Remember Usagi Kou?

If anything it's better now, the thotsplayers cause less drama than the old school.

[Anonymous No.9775672]

I’m really skeptical of the “all the normies think I’m a prostitue” stories. Please, someone tell me how a typical conversation in that scenario goes down.

[Anonymous No.9775679]

>>9775672
"My main hobby is cosplay."
"Oh..."
"Oh, are you interested/know anything about it?"
"Wait, is that not a sex thing?/Nah, I'm not into kink stuff/So do you sell photos or do cam stuff?"
It's a conversational thread I've been a part of many times, which is especially annoying to me since I do almost exclusively (ftm) crossplay.

[Anonymous No.9775695]

>>9761754
>i didn't personally do it therefore it didn't happen
are you retarded? you're the reason people still claim catcallers don't exist

[Anonymous No.9775944]

>>9775670
>Wahhhh the hobby hundreds of thousands of people around the world practice had a few american crazies shitting it up with drama so that means it was always worthless and should be demeaned into a fetish!
I'm getting really sick of this "COSPLAY WAS ALWAYS SHIT LMAOOO" stuff. Just because the community had flaws it doesn't mean it's applicable to be completely wrecked. If anything, we should work towards improving it. And allowing in toxic thots trying to make money definitely isn't doing that.

>>9775679
This. A lot of my friends have also received messages asking if they'd be up for nude/boudoir shoots because "that's what cosplayers do right??". And at conventions men definitely are more aggressive with pushing themselves onto women as they think cosplayers genuinely are there just for the male gaze.

[Anonymous No.9776135]

>>9775944
You’re seriously blaming sexy cosplayers for cosplay creeps that have been around since the beginning of time? And maybe without sexy cosplay the guys wouldn’t have that specific “let’s shoot some boudoir” line but they’d just find another way to ask you to fuck because all women with an audience over a certain size gets creepy messages from dudes trying to get nudes/sex.

[Anonymous No.9776151]

People who do sexy cosplays will always say its okay and not bad for the hobby etc. etc. Its a repetitive speech they go on. Its the same as people with over 20k followers going "numbers arent important!" its just them trying to make themselves feel better or asspat for what they do/have.

[Anonymous No.9776245]

>>9775630
I can smell the desperation so much

[Anonymous No.9776256]

>>9774298
She’s so gross and self absorbed

[Anonymous No.9776272]

I saw Alyson in person at a convention last year and there was nothing that set her apart from anyone else in the crowd other than the giant banner of her face she was standing next to. At first i nearly walked right past her.

Shes definitely a queen of making her costumes look better in photos for instagram than they look in real life.

[Anonymous No.9776377]

>>9776135
You and your ilk keep claiming that nobody should complain because "cosplay has always been sexy or had sexy cosplayers". I'm pretty sure everyone who says this was not actually involved in the cosplay community as a cosplayer ten years ago because this statement is just straight up wrong. Sexy cosplayers existed but sexy cosplay was NOT the norm and saying the word "cosplay" to non-cosplayers didn't mean they assumed you were into softcore porn. Many people have said this but you keep not listening.

[Anonymous No.9776521]

If non-cosplayers actually think all cosplay is porn it’s probably because porn sites have had cosplay as a category since even the oldest of these patreon girls were in high school.

[Anonymous No.9776625]

>>9776377
I've been in this community for 15 years and while sexy cosplays have always existed - because sexy characters have always existed - sexy cosplayers were not a thing. people dressed up as a character they liked from a show they liked, because they wanted to socialize with other fans, and sometimes those characters were wearing a bikini.

"professional" thots deliberately picking the sluttiest designs they can find or creating AU designs that are nothing but wigs and lingerie, and ONLY doing those costumes, when they haven't watched half the source material - those are new. those are fucking up the community.

[Anonymous No.9777108]

>people unironically calling others thots accusing others of being toxic

[Anonymous No.9777209]

>>9776135
That's. The fucking point. The entire core of the issue. These thots are BRINGING IN THOSE THIRSTY GUYS. They're the ones enabling their behavior. How often do you see these cunts call out all the guys throwing inappropriate comments in their photos? Never because if anything they encourage the guys to act like that. And it's going to affect every female cosplayer. These thots are the ones giving these creeps the idea that cosplaying girls are there to be objectified and hit on. Just making a half-hearted "cosplay isn't consent!!! uwu" lipservice post once a year while wholeheartedly supplying the thirsty normies with validation every other time doesn't count.

God these cunts and their whiteknights are impossible to reason with because they entirely and intentionally dance around the subject and play dumb like they're not seeing it, when in actuality they know what's up but admitting it would hurt their business. Fucking CHRIST. I hope you enjoy those magical social media numbers built on demolishing a hobby that used to be about so much more than cheap amateur porn.

[Anonymous No.9777459]

>>9777209
Their audience is guys who are already into conventions/anime/games/cosplay communities anyway. They aren’t massively importing “normies”.

And if you think that they’re training guys to treat girls like shit you might as well throw the same accusation at non-cosplay patreon lewd girls and pornstars.

And it’s funny you bring up “cosplay is not consent,” because I seem to remember that coming out long before patreon and social media made the sexy cosplay industry boom. It’s almost as if the creeps were always there...

[Anonymous No.9777564]

>>9775431
Nope. That's literally what dude did.

Women are like, "These tittie cosplayers are making everyone think we are all tittie cosplayers. Thus this is becoming ANOTHER thing where our looks are all anyone cares about anymore."

Dude here is like, "Well everyone keeps assuming I can't sew which makes me feel bad."


Both of these things stem from some patriarchy bullshit. But only one of them has an overarching history of making sure you'll never get where you should have in life.

A dude is allowed to persevere inside of something traditionally feminine and be celebrated for it. A chick's looks play far too much of a role in where she ends up. Enough that if she didn't win the genetic lottery no one will celebrate her no matter what she accomplishes because.....ugly or plain.

[Anonymous No.9777750]

Since the rise of SEXY COSPLAY more and more cosplayers have been getting sexually harassed or raped.

Cosplay is not Consent started because of sexy cosplay.

[Anonymous No.9777751]

>>9777459
>“cosplay is not consent,” because I seem to remember that coming out long before patreon and social media made the sexy cosplay industry boom.

Yep, you're a fucking idiot who obviously doesn't know anything.

[Anonymous No.9780338]

>>9777750
>sexy cosplayers are responsible for girls getting raped at conventions

You have truly gone off the deep end.