Opinions needed - BtB revamp

[Anonymous No.9428051]

Hi. I'm the one who posted the first secret of this week about making a new version of BtB and I would like to have your opinions.

First of all, I'm not associated with BtB's admin and mods. I didn't contact them and I don't care what they're thinking about all this because imho, they're stuck in stone age with the LJ platform.

Why I'm doing it? Because I'm fucking tired of how shitty LJ is. I wanna enjoy secrets with a modern website, not a web 2.0 old mess.

1. Do you want the new website have the same name or a new one? Suggestions welcomed.
2. What do you expect with the website? New rules? New features?

Just to be clear, I'm doing a new platform to post secrets, not a lolita fashion portal or something.

[Anonymous No.9428056]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

[Anonymous No.9428058]

>>9428051
What's wrong with how btb is now? I've never had a problem with the interface and I think the system is just fine.

[Anonymous No.9428060]

>>9428056
>>9428058
Yeah, it works, but it can be improved.

[Anonymous No.9428063]

I'm confused, what's wrong with LJ specifically? Your complaint is too vague. LJ allows anonymous commenting and I've never had an issue with images not loading/the site breaking/etc.

[Anonymous No.9428072]

>>9428060
>it can be improved
Girl if you can't even start out with listing specifically HOW it can be improved and have to go fishing on 4chan, maybe this isn't your ideal project.

[Anonymous No.9428084]

>>9428063
Anonymous commenting is like the easiest thing to do. We don't need LJ for that.
My main concern is the 2 feet long blog post not optimized at all for displaying secrets and related comments.
Also, I personally don't like the fact the secrets are published weekly. Everyone should be able to post whenever they want and read the new secrets throughout the week.

>I've never had an issue with images not loading
Pretty normal since all images are hosted on imgur. lol

>>9428072
We're not in 2010 anymore. LJ is not a modern website. Nowadays we have another way to browse websites and new features. Social network introduced new ways to use internet and I would like to make a more user-friendly website than what's existing.

[Anonymous No.9428090]

>>9428084
Anon do you have some sort of background in web development or the money to pay someone to make a website for you? Otherwise, just forget it

[Anonymous No.9428097]

They still use livejournal because it's a free website, allows anon replies, there's no programming required, and it's a well know site that people have been using for years. Nobody wants to make a new btb site because nobody wants to pony up the money to try to build a new site for it. Maybe when we get a decent enough free alternate platform, then maybe we'll see a new btb site.

"if it's not broke don't fix it" comes to mind.

[Anonymous No.9428103]

>>9428090
A bachelor degree in IT and another one in web development is enough?

[Anonymous No.9428107]

>>9428097
Bless myself for willing to do it for free then.

[Anonymous No.9428114]

>>9428084
>My main concern is the 2 feet long blog post not optimized at all for displaying secrets and related comments.
I mean, yes, it's a minor inconvenience, but the secret image is linked in the comments so you can easily refresh your memory. Or is opening in a new tab too hard?

>Everyone should be able to post whenever they want
This is a recipe for disaster and will result in the vendetta secrets increasing exponentially, and most will be uncensored.

>Pretty normal since all images are hosted on imgur. lol
No shit sherlock, the point is that there's nothing inherently wrong with the current platform.

>>9428097
This basically.

[Anonymous No.9428121]

Why can't you let secrets die along with everything else from that era? I don't even get why we HAVE secrets.

People are happy with how it is now so just leave it.

[Anonymous No.9428141]

>>9428121
What you're talking about anon.
Secrets and drama is what make the community lively and thing fun.

>Secrets are love. Secrets are life.

[Anonymous No.9428148]

>>9428058
besides the fact that it's on a completely obsolete platform and has no traffic? am I taking crazy pills in here, how is everyone defending keeping btb on LJ right now, I'm so baffled.

[Anonymous No.9428150]

>>9428148
Because you don't need to fix something that isn't broken

[Anonymous No.9428151]

I'm guessing OP is new to the community and is also a part of all the unfunny newbie secrets that have been getting submitted en masse recently.
Get over it. Creating a whole website for this is retarded.

[Anonymous No.9428157]

Secrets aren't dying because of LJ, secrets are dying because nobody cares about them anymore. If you want drama to feed of go to the local comm threads.

[Anonymous No.9428162]

>>9428157
Yeah, this. They're entertaining occasionally but hardly an important part of any community. People just come here to dish the juicy comm gossip anyway.

>>9428103
>>9428107
I think it's cool that you have the chops to make this anon but there are much better investments for your time and education.

[Anonymous No.9428165]

>>9428072
Yeah, I'm not seeing how this chick plans to improve it. I get the impression that because nobody really cared about her secret she's trying to drum up a response now.

[Anonymous No.9428180]

>>9428162
>there are much better investments for your time and education
For example? Give me ideas, anon, don't be shy.
Don't worry about my time. I have plenty.
I never found a good job in my field because here where I live everyone is retarded and don't wanna employ someone in their company to do the IT stuff and prefer to spend thousands in subcontracts. Those IT companies are scamming everyone. It's a shame.

>>9428165
Don't wanna be able to bookmark your favorite secrets into your personal account? What about some tags on the secrets to make it easier to find something posted before?
The possibilities are endless. Tell me what you wanna see and I'll make it happen if I think it's relevant.

[Anonymous No.9428187]

>>9428180
If I think a secret is funny I just save it onto my phone in my lolita folder.
I don't think btb warrants an upheaval because it's just not really popular anymore, if you're IT and want to help the lolita community with websites please help out Lolibrary

[Anonymous No.9428189]

>>9428180
Just curious, what programming language do you know? Do you have other interests aside of lolita?

[Anonymous No.9428192]

>>9428187
>please help out Lolibrary
Holy shit, this.

>captcha: please select all vehicles
>literally a photo of freeway traffic
>fuck you captcha

[Anonymous No.9428198]

>i am new to this and i don't know how the community works at all but i still want to show off and start a huge ass project

[Anonymous No.9428199]

>>9428180

I wish people would remember that the whole reason these "secrets" communities started was due to post secret on LJ in the early thousands.

Keep it where it is, leave it the way it is, it doesn't need to be web 2.0'd. The beauty in BTB is it's simplicity

[Anonymous No.9428207]

>>9428187
>>9428192
>please help out Lolibrary
I don't like the direction they took about that new site.
Maybe I'll do my own Lolibrary site in the future. lol

>>9428189
>programming language
php, js, html, css, sql
But don't worry, I'm not doing it from scratch. I'm using a framework to make everything more secure and easy to code.
I know other language but it's relevant here unless you want a windows phone app.

>>9428198
Stop talking nonsense. It's not that big of a project. I crafted web apps bigger than this in the past.

>>9428199
Don't mix up simplicity with obsolescence. LJ is old and I don't understand why this shit is still up and used.
I like secrets and would like to have something more enjoyable to use.

[Anonymous No.9428215]

>>9428207

php is a shit language and you should feel bad, and nothing runs on sql anymore unless it's a dinosaur.

>I crafted web apps

ok, please go back to the 6 week bootcamp course you just go out of and try again.

also you probably haven't been in the comm long enough to remember the twenty or so secret communities that sprung up on tumblr that posted every day and had everything that you mentioned above. they all died.

[Anonymous No.9428216]

>>9428051
LJ's TOS change recently makes me feel that we should move from it. The "you cannot post anything political" thing is dodgy af

[Anonymous No.9428228]

>>9428215
Say what you want. I'm confident in my skills and qualifications.

>>9428216
LJ is owned by Russian after all.

[Anonymous No.9428233]

Anyway, nobody has a good name to suggest? I don't wanna call it BtB if it's to see the admin and mods vendetta my ass right after.

Is a gull nice enough to draw a logo? That would be sweet.
I may know how to code and do a good layout but I don't know how to draw for the life of me.

[Anonymous No.9428251]

>>9428233
I think if you're really serious about this there are a few things you could do.

First, make a visual mockup of the site you'd like to see and make some notes on the features it would have. That way you can dispel skepticism.

Second, contact the current BTB mods and tell them you're serious about making a better site, and offer them moderatorship on the new site (under your own admin status of course). This would help prevent unnecessary drama.

[Anonymous No.9428272]

>>9428251
Here is a preview of what I have right now.
Top is the main page. Bottom is the comment section underneath a secret. Shitty test data blurred just because.
Are people taking me seriously now?

>contact the current BTB mods and offer them moderatorship on the new site
I guess I'll do that once the site it's almost finished because I know I can't moderate all this shit by myself.
If they want to help or have a precise request for a feature or something, they're free to post this here.

[Anonymous No.9428278]

>>9428150
It doesn't matter if it's functional if not active and on a severely dated platform. With that argument, you could say people should still be actively posting to daily_lolita and egl_sales_comm. They're not active anymore because other platforms like closet of frills and lace market, better functioning and more updated platforms replaced it. Why cling to something from 10 years ago when you could do better?

[Anonymous No.9428285]

>>9428278
Finally someone understands my point. Bless you anon.

[Anonymous No.9428361]

>>9428285
Like i seriously can't actually believe this is the response, everyone has been talking about how dead LJ is for years, and no, drama is not dead, go look at the COF thread or local comm thread. I
would definitely say overall we're in a different mindset as a collective, but I think a new secrets site would do well if done right.

That being said, on a side note, someone mentioned a better or updated lolibrary, I would be much more interested in that personally

[Anonymous No.9428409]

>>9428272
I like secrets published once a week, and not because it's tradition.

Everyone knows secrets are released on Saturdays, so people all go to BtB to read secrets and (more importantly) comment on them/reply to others at the end of the week. My favorite part of BtB is the drama that happens in the comments, and there are more likely to be participants in the conversation if everyone's checking the site and commenting on secrets around the same time.

If they're released as they come in or are queued on a more frequent basis (like 1-2 times a day), I don't think as many people would comment on them. I also don't think, right now, there are enough secrets made every week to warrant more frequent publishing. If more people do use the site, though, my opinion would change. I think it'd be easier to move from once-a-week publishing to published-as-they-come than vice versa.

[Anonymous No.9428446]

get over yourself newfriend.
no one cares about your opinion. you've been shilling your hate for LJ in the past few generals like your family neglects you or something. we know you posted that secret and your inability to let it go is embarrassing as fuck.
calm down, stop being so eager, and try relaxing into the community instead of being an annoying shit.

[Anonymous No.9428452]

>>9428207
>css and html
>programming

this is an 18+ website

[Anonymous No.9428459]

>>9428051
we could just have a secrets thread on cgl

[Anonymous No.9428464]

>>9428051
Are you the same girl that got super angry because haenuli requested her secrets to be removed? I don't want an uncensored btb, people are already scared to post their coords.

[Anonymous No.9428482]

>>9428121
This. I'm always amazed when people still get excited about secrets. It's just a platform for anonymous bitching and misplaced valentines. Isn't that what we have cgl for?

[Anonymous No.9428570]

>>9428452
And what do you think your browser is interpreting, you genius. Some magic shit from Wonderland? It's not because it's an old language it's not used anymore. Servers are still sending html code for the browsers. Plus, those languages evolved quite well. It's easy to do some good shit with the last versions.

[Anonymous No.9428575]

>>9428464
No, that's not me. NGL it was my first secret I submit to BtB even tho I browse this site since years.

[Anonymous No.9428580]

>>9428459
I guess? But not everyone wanna come to one of the darkest places of the internet.

[Anonymous No.9428599]

>>9428103
You might think about a refund bb

[Anonymous No.9428603]

>>9428599
HA

[Anonymous No.9428604]

>>9428272
...That looks *exactly* like the current LJ version except with horizontal rows of images.

This is your brilliant Web 3.0 improvement?

[Anonymous No.9428607]

So anyone know what's the story with the salty OP? Seems like some posters are saying it's tried this stunt before.

[Anonymous No.9428611]

>>9428121
I think secrets are a good indicator of how well the community is doing. If BTB starts to die, that'd worry me more here in the west than Kera/GLB going.

[Anonymous No.9428618]

https://boingboing.net/2017/04/08/six-to-end.html

Lj to follow Russia's LGBT policy. It might be better to move.

[Anonymous No.9428646]

>>9428103
>BA in IT
kek

[Anonymous No.9428648]

>>9428192
>>9428187

Is Lolibrary looking for help? I'm a programmer and I'd love to help them where they need it.

[Anonymous No.9428673]

>>9428409
This. But I do like the idea of having a better site anon. But please don't add fucking "likes" for secrets. It just causes people to comment less.

[Anonymous No.9428688]

>>9428272
Speaking as a current mod of BtB. I have no desire to mod on a new platform. 90% of modding is just posting the secrets every 5th week so there wouldn't be much to do on an automated platform. Also you sound like a twat so even if you got it up, I wouldn't trust you to keep it up and maintained so I would not do anything to help move secrets over to your platform. I know LJ won't rage-quit out of nowhere leaving BtB as pieces in the wind to be picked up again. That said, do what you want. If you become the new BtB platform then fine, but I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

This is not an AMA so I won't be responding to responses. There is a comments section on each secret post to communicate with mods.

[Anonymous No.9428743]

>>9428604
>big photo album with implemented comments and vote system
>each week, multiple secrets in one fucking blog post and all the related comments, all in the same section
How those two can be alike?

[[e-mail] No.9428746]

Maybe someone wanna contact me directly.

[OP No.9428754]

Well, what I'm really getting at is that I'm sick and tired of being posted.
Online bullying isn't just "lol get off your computer" like it was in 2010, it follows you everywhere now.
We need to move past LJ and everything from it's era, anonymous bullying included.

[[e-mail] No.9428772]

>>9428754
What the fuck are you talking about, anon?

[Anonymous No.9428775]

I don't really have much to contribute other than to say I would really like to see lolita secrets on a different platform. I really miss the days of having 100+ secrets a week, and I would like to think part of the reason it died down so much is because LJ is so outdated now.

inb4 "you just like drama", I actually really prefer the funny / harmless secrets and meme trash

Even when I've been posted to BtB I still appreciate the platform as a whole

[Anonymous No.9428788]

>>9428754
Many famous and long lived social media websites got their start because someone got their feelings hurt, stomped their feet and whined, "I'm going to take my toys and go home!" Facebook famously began after some guy got called a douchebag on MySpace, and everyone knows Tinder got its started after some guy got kicked off Craigslist for being too much of a serial killer.

So how much money did you spend getting that imaginary IT degree, anyway?

[Anonymous No.9428793]

>>9428754
What the shit does that have to do with LJ? If LJ is outdated it's because it still gives people the anonymity of screen names, whereas most modern social media is connected by way of real name- Facebook, Twitter, even Instagram can be linked to your Facebook.

How stupid are you, exactly?

[Anonymous No.9428798]

>>9428754

>implying Tumblr isn't a centre for bullying often in the name of 'social justice'
>implying FB can't be possible grounds for bullying despite the fact that there are many accounts of people being bullied and stalked on FB and the transparency of having real names can make doxxing easier
>implying the new amino platform isn't a ground ripe for online bullying

You are either astoundingly naive, or this is bait.

[Anonymous No.9428804]

>>9428775
Agreed, I like secrets but LJ is shit. It'd be best if you could get the BtB mods to agree to move platforms, but seems like one's already salty af about it, so who knows.

The worst part about BtB is that it's annoying to navigate on mobile (which *might* not be the case if you download LJ mobile, but yeah fucking right).

[Anonymous No.9428816]

OP I hear what you're saying but I don't really think that anyone cares enough to want to go through a whole thing for this. Yeah LJ is a poopy platform but it's workable. I don't think there's enough demand to have a different, automatically updating website.

>>9428459
let me know how that goes for you after your ban lifts

[Anonymous No.9428818]

>>9428804

Why would having the BtB mods agree to anything matter, though? Let anon build her platform, gulls will visit, and if they like it enough, they'll stay.

It's not like we need to port over secrets from BtB or anything, and it's not really fair to demand BtB mods take up 24/7 modding jobs instead of posting secrets once a week just because some anon decided to build a platform. You don't even know any of these people, anon could be the hero we need or she could be a flake, the BtB mod could be a bitch or she could be sick/ill/busy/studying and has no time to babysit a live forum.

Just build the platform and start using it. What else do you need?

[Anonymous No.9428822]

If you want comments on individual secrets just make a deviantart postsecret like everyone else did in 2005.

[[e-mail] No.9428831]

>>9428822
Thanks for the laugh anon.

[Anonymous No.9428876]

all im getting from this is some anon that probably makes custom tumblr layouts and old myspace layouts thinking they have the gonads to say they are educated in the trade. If you cant get a job with you degree ( probably from a cereal box from what im getting) you would have a job. But it appears your skills are out of date and or not what companies desire to actually hire you. Maybe your portfolio is less then desirable. I dunno. I work in the field and got a job nearly at three places by the time I was done with college. It's not a hard degree in the least to get but its a hard degree to actually use when you flubbed your way though college. But make the site if you want. People will check it out and if it fails anon, it fails. You simply can't expect people to just flock to your new site when the site we use isn't broken. Just dated but it works. You don't get rid of your refrigerator that works just because it has a newer model that looks better.

All I would want is a platform that is more friendly to use on the phone and that I can post in the comments of multiple secrets without having to refresh and reset the captcha. But it's such a small problem that I don't think you need to jump ship to a newer boat because it looks nice. You're going the same direction on something with the same base only more bells and whistles.

[Anonymous No.9428880]

>>9428876
>you would have a job by now blablabla
Do you know where I live? You have no fucking idea how things works in my area so shut up please.

>make the site if you want. People will check it out and if it fails anon, it fails.
That's what I'm gonna do. I know I can't force people to join if they don't like it. But that's what make things more interesting. What a great challenge.

>All I would want is a platform that is more friendly to use on the phone
Thank goodness I'm jumping on the responsive design bandwagon then.

[Anonymous No.9428893]

Honestly all I see from this if it actually materializes is a shit show. As previous anons said we hardly need more shitty noob vendetta secrets. Yeah it was part of the old community but it's something that is ok to let die off. People are terrified of lolita dying, so why would you want to fester more negativity in the community? That's why people turn lone lolitas that don't post their daily casual coords. There are so many of us but people just don't want to get into drama. Also the lolita population has aged and (hopefully) matured. We don't need more of this . Most of the time it's newbies that start talking trash.

If you want to make something for the community that includes secrets, like a new Livejournal that would be way more beneficial. Many of us are dying for a place that has good specific Taobao reviews and discussions that don't disappear into the abyss and are not random haul vids. You can't search for a specific Taobao brand review when each video is called "Xx Taobao haul".

Livejournal is loved because it preserved so much information that is searchable. It's a lot harder to search for specific new information these days through FB, cgl archives and YouTube. That's why we always see people asking "how's X brand quality?" "Is this site legit?" on Rufflechat and cgl.


If you really want to out your skills to good use for the lolita community instead of just drama shit stirring, then please, please, think of making a good lolita platform that would let us have a lot of information, good discussion, even secrets if you so desire.

[Anonymous No.9428908]

>>9428893
>a place that has good specific Taobao reviews and discussions
That's actually a very good idea. Wouldn't that be epic to have reviews on lolibrary? That's what I immediately envisioned. I don't know if they plan to add that feature but if they don't, I may really create my own lolita fashion database.
Not gonna link this to the secrets tho. I don't think this is a good idea. Let's dissociate the drama from the serious useful stuff.

[Anonymous No.9428915]

>>9428908
I know Lolibrary used to have a comment section for each item, but I almost never saw anyone actually use it. Maybe I should message them and ask about making that an option since the database already exists and they are already working on improving it.

[Anonymous No.9428938]

>>9428893
>>9428915
I just check the waybackmachine and there were indeed comments on each item page. Dunno why I forgot about that. There were probably something off about it since not a lot of gulls used it as you said.

[Anonymous No.9428958]

>>9428580
>thinking we're the one of the darkest places on the internet

oh child, we're the tip of the iceberg

[Anonymous No.9429129]

op sounds like a boss
beat the russians at their own game
kill 8080/443, go decentralized server p2p.
get some blockchain in ur seekrets for prewfs
<3

[Anonymous No.9429148]

>>9428103
>IT
lmao, that's the degree that compsci dropouts get. have fun being expendable

[Anonymous No.9429153]

>>9429148
You guys are giving me doubts now. That's not how we say it in English?
Since I'm not from the US or an English speaking country, I'm not sure what is the equivalent of my diplomas.
I studied 3 years in a public university and learnt algorithmic, data management, server administration, a few languages like assembly, java, python, Internet and computer sciences related rights, and many other stuff that I don't remember because that was like 10 years ago.
I then studied 1 year to have a second degree in web development and community management. I worked in a company part of the time so I didn't do much expect learning MVC and frameworks.

[Anonymous No.9429156]

>>9429153
It's okay OP. Cgl assumes everyone is from the US. Go ahead and try to make your website, I'd still like to see it. I also hate livejournal and would love to see it replaced.

[Anonymous No.9429157]

>>9429153
yeah, that's IT and webdev. i was mostly just pulling your leg. get off of /cgl/ and actually put your skills to the test, you're not going to find any valuable opinions here.

[Anonymous No.9429160]

>>9429157
I already code for about 6 hours today. I'm taking a break.
Also, having 2 screens help to lurk here while I work.

[Anonymous No.9429199]

>>9428618
I'm not leaving lj as long as ohnotheydidnt is still there

[Anonymous No.9429450]

I just want this to happen to see a clearly unstable and whiny admin have regular breakdowns whenever things don't go exactly how they want.

[Anonymous No.9429708]

>>9428084
I like being able to have secrets be a once a week thing. Its convenient for moderating, and something entertaining to do Saturday afternoon with a cup of tea.

[Anonymous No.9429726]

>>9429708
I like things to be more spread throughout the week. Maybe it's because I really like social media and have a lot of time idk.
I'll do it my way first and see if I can convince all of you. If you all really want to go back to a weekly release, I'll do it then.

[Anonymous No.9429748]

> Wants to make a platform
> Starts by making a secret and a shit post on cgl
Did they teach this in business 101?

[Anonymous No.9429752]

>>9429748
BtB is just an excuse for me to start coding again. It's an easy project which will not take too much time hopefully.
If there's no progress on Lolibrary by the time I finish my BtB (damn, this need a name badly), it will be my next project.

[Anonymous No.9429755]

Revamping BTB is fine, but there's just not as many people using it anymore and not just because it's LJ. People have gone from posting secrets about people they don't like to passive aggressively commenting about people they don't like. Drama still exists, but it's not going to take form the way it used to on BTB. Look at all the XXX-secrets tumblrs for jfashions on tumblr; plenty of lolitas use tumblr but these blogs come and go quickly because the audience for it has all but died out.

Also, if you've got the skills to make something good, make something good. Some people already said great ideas like >>9428893.

[Anonymous No.9429817]

>>9429199
right, I'm still there to this day. How have they not moved? I think they're the only large comm left

[Anonymous No.9430093]

>>9429752
I don't think any of the "wehhh I'll make a new lolibrary with blackjack, and hookers!" cunts realise that the hard part about making a rival is maintaining the accuracy of the database, not coding the platform. Yeah people whine about lolibrary, but building a workable alternative that actually had the relevant items on it would take a ridiculous amount of tedious work, even if you just stole the stock photos and details from everything Lolibrary have built over the years.

[Anonymous No.9430178]

>>9430093
If the people who are posting on Lolita Updates post on Lolibrary, the problem is solved, no?
And for past releases, it will depends on the community. One person can't manage that much data by himself.

[Anonymous No.9430406]

>OP is a fucktard without a proper job.

[Anonymous No.9430418]

>>9430093
Well lolibrary used the info and photos of hellolace and other places, and a lot of people contributed regularly

[Anonymous No.9430420]

>>9429817
There are a lot of active fandom and subbing comm's too but they're hard to find/join because they illegally share dvds and such

[Anonymous No.9430422]

>>9428880
Anon is right, you would have a job if your portfolio had anything of merit. No matter where your at you would have work if it was worth hiring. Your just as cringy as HWC op. You get triggered soo easily when 4chan is being 4chan. You want us to be all " yeah do it. BtBs sucks. It's got horrible rules and soo laggy". But you didn't get what you wanted and are now playing the " in better then you but I'll throw a Mozart tantrum and bang on your keys because someone's doesn't like you. Grow up anon. You could have just made it and put it out there without a whole thread about this. Good luck surviving 4chan with your attitude

[Anonymous No.9430427]

>>9430406
Op doesn't have a job read the thread new fag

[Anonymous No.9430436]

>>9428880
lol, thanks for confirming that IT is full of pissbabies. if you were any good, you'd have a job no matter where you are. should have gone compsci or nothing at all

[Anonymous No.9430443]

>>9430422
Say what you want, I couldn't care less.

I created this thread only because it wasn't easy to keep track of everything in the comment section of this week's secrets.
I also wanted to have your suggestions for features in case I was missing something. And a fucking name. I can't buy a domain name otherwise.
Looks like I ask too much since I had only a few constructive answers.

>>9430436
Why you all having the same fucking thing to say. Get creative already.

[Anonymous No.9430445]

>>9430443
abloobloobloo! regretting your crackerjacks degree now? honestly if you got your degree 10-something years ago, i'm not surprised that you aren't getting any jobs. maybe try keeping up with the times in a constantly evolving field? or are you too stupid to figure that out

[Anonymous No.9430447]

>>9430443
Do you still intend on making just another version of BtB or something more like LJ for the community, since reading the suggestions?

If you decide on the latter and need more suggestions please keep the threads going. We really need a more centralized and better archived place for the online community than fb groups and cgl.

[Anonymous No.9430456]

>>9430445
I know you're just trolling. Someone with a normally functioning brain would think a little and realize they know absolutely nothing about me, my past and my situation.
Keep posting that shit if you want. Looks like you need that to be entertained or something.

>>9430447
Like I said previously, I would prefer dissociate the secrets from the actual serious/useful things.
I totally agree with you, it would be great to have a different platform to store all the informations : past and new releases, reviews, wishlists, wardrobes, coords, brands and stores info, etc...
I'm still wondering if it's Lolibrary new aim tho. We only know they'll add new features soon but nothing more.

[Anonymous No.9430549]

>>9430443
You've made a secret, a shit post on cgl, and your next step is a name? After that are you going to make a sandwich, grab a coke, and clean your stove before you think about sitting down and actually working on this new site?

[Anonymous No.9430560]

>>9430456
Then I still really don't see the point and I don't think this is something the community really needs especially at a time when people are freaking out over lolita dying.

I'm just curious, why are you so against making something actually productive? Why do you want to waste so much time, energy and money on a shit posting site. Can you even really use it in your portfolio? It would be kind of embarrassing .

[Anonymous No.9430620]

>>9430447
people have tried introducing new platforms to lolita, like Lacebook a few months back. It failed, like most other platforms intended for community interaction, because Facebook is just so convenient - most of us are on it all day anyway and don't have to look at another platform to see our gossip, photos and lolita news.

Unless OP has some really fucking amazing ideas, nobody will use the new platform for long. Unless everyone moves at the same time, it's just not worth the hassle of looking at both so you don't miss anything.

[Anonymous No.9430661]

>>9430620
That might have been the case a few years ago but now I know that most lolitss, myself included, only keep their Facebook purely for lolita purposes. It has become a cesspool of old people, dumb shit and dumb politics. Everyone wants out but Rufflechat, Lolita Updates , sales groups and Meetup events keep us there. I doubt any of us would use FB if it didn't have lolita content. Hell, I barely even see any non jfashions friends post or even be active on FB. It's a dying platform for grandparents.

[Anonymous No.9430672]

>>9428446
+1

[Anonymous No.9430674]

>>9428754
>waah! anonymous bullying!1
>browses cgl

[Anonymous No.9430765]

>>9428207
All those languages are horseshit ahahaha good luck.

[Anonymous No.9430838]

wait, is THIS the anon who was bitching about how they could run lolibrary better than the people doing it right now? the whininess is so familiar. if it is, lmfao. even more of an idiot than i thought you were.

[Anonymous No.9430954]

>>9430765
Different anon here.

While some of those languages are outdated, knowledge of them shows that OP has the capability to learn new shit.

Your post as of now oozes the sweaty neckbeard IT guy vibe.

[Anonymous No.9430987]

>>9430661
Fucking THIS.

[Anonymous No.9431012]

>>9430661
>every lolitas use Facebook
>it's a dying platform
So, why staying there?

>>9430620
>Lacebook
ngl, I never used it because I don't like feeling forced to register. Why did they blocked the content for anons?

[Anonymous No.9431036]

Different BtB mod here. all I have to say is that if you are this bitched up about this, put your money where your mouth is and just do it already.
This thread is just all sorts of cringe with you trying to justify yourself with nothing to back it up on.

[Anonymous No.9431093]

>>9430443
>>9430456
There you go playing the "I'm greater then you pesants" attitude. Have fun with your site with that attitude.

[Anonymous No.9431100]

My guess is that OP will be really gung-ho about this, going "I'll show those meany 4chan assholes that doubted me!" and hell we might even get the new site. It'll be moderated for a good few months, maybe up to a year before OP either gets a job or is too bored and no one cares enough to help mod the thing, because unlike BTB which is 15 minutes of work a week (I'm guessing), this sounds like much more work for basically shit talking. Not everyone wants to volunteer for something like that. I personally wouldn't feel very good about myself volunteering my time on a site that regularly makes fun of people. I browse them, but that a different matter.

I personally liked a platform like LJ, "outdated" be damned. It's the only major platform that still uses usernames AND has the ability for anon, so you have the chance of move on with your own life if your interests change or if you fuck up (harder to do on facebook with your real name, or least that's how it feels. I almost never post because of needing to use your name bs), not have comments being a shit show like tumblr, a way to organize past information, and have posts with word counts that matter (this includes not having the computer version not work like ass and/or being mobile only, which I hate to no end). For all this new fangled websites, they can't even do ALL this shit correctly on one platform and Lj did. It pisses me off desu. Especially since Lj, while you could "repost" information, it encouraged new information to be made, not just sharing everyone else's shit, but that's starting to get a little off-topic

I'm on the field of it isn't broken, don't fix it, but do what you want anon. You're a big kid.

[Anonymous No.9431109]

>>9428207
>> CSS, HTML
Anon that's not programming but nice try.

>> calling secrets a web app
Sigh...

[Anonymous No.9431131]

>>9428051
Idiots. Just make a general lolita dramu thread at the farm and be done with it

[Anonymous No.9431132]

>>9428580
>But not everyone wanna come to one of the darkest places of the internet.

You must be at least 18 to post on this site.

[Anonymous No.9431138]

>>9431131
this, secrets are lame honestly and there hasn't been a substantial lolita drama thread there in a minute. it'd be fun.

[Anonymous No.9431147]

>>9431131
This. I've tried starting one before and nothing comes from it.
>>9428051
Secrets are old and before anon boards. Just get with the times and post the dirt on farm instead of passive aggressive secrets with faces covered and saying shit like ">:( you're mean and I hate you brandwhore". I don't care about your vague, tiny comm drama. A farm thread will let you get into names and bitch as much as you want about anything.

[Anonymous No.9431163]

Alright, I'm old: What's farm?

[Anonymous No.9431204]

>>9430178
>>9430418
Past releases are the main thing lolibrary is useful for, you can search updates for info on very recent things. And yes, lots of people helped adding stuff to lolibrary, myself included, but that doesn't mean they'll be willing to spend more time on tedious data entry unpaid when it's essentially redundant and is duplicating stuff they've done before. You honestly sound very new - do you have any idea how many items are on lolibrary, or how many people actually contribute regularly rather than once in a blue moon? There are literally tens of thousands of items with data entry required for each and you think you'll get it all done for free fast enough for people to not just abandon your platform? Before they switched layout you used to see the same few names adding stuff all the time, it's more a core of dedicated people working over years than a massive anon project - most lolitas jus can't be arsee contributing.

Lolibrary took years to get the way it did, and any alternative that's missing most releases will be functionally useless.

[Anonymous No.9431206]

>>9431163
>hint: farms have cows

[Anonymous No.9431215]

>>9428051
YAGNI

[Anonymous No.9431218]

>>9428141
Then go to lolcow

[Anonymous No.9431225]

>>9431012
>every lolitas use Facebook
>it's a dying platform

>So, why staying there?

It's like you completely missed the whole point of the post. It's a dying platform that gets shittier by the week (fuck real names, fuck stories, etc). I think it's safe to say we all hate it and do want out. No one in the age group (18~29) uses it besides for lolita or cosplay shit (not a cosplayer but I'm assuming since my other friends are). I don't see normies of the same age group post much of anything worthwhile at all and most have jumped ship because it's an information selling POS. The fact that our online and local community is the way to get updates and info on events is what is holding lolitas hostage on Facebook. We are all sick of it. But we can't get out unless there is at the very least a new consent source of sharing updates and releases and local community planning. My comm has discussed this several times because we all hate Facebook but there isn't really an alternative with the content. The only things I see on my feed anymore is retarded "viral" videos, grandma far right crap, and lolita/cosplay.

My point is that we all want out, but OP would prefer to use their world class education to create a shit stirring site.

Lacebook was a fail because of the exclusivity or whatever and then it died down. Also it's when people were still content with Facebook so there wasn't a big need for something else. Then it just fizzled out. It would be a lot easier to have a mass migration to a new platform now, especially if the creator gets the Lolita Updates people on board and a good way to organize local comms and events. Everything else will follow.

[Anonymous No.9431242]

>facebook is for grandparents
It very much depends on where you live and which social circles you frequent. Where I am, Facebook is still used heavily by people in their twenties, and not just by lolitas. Don't generalize here, the social internet is not the same for everyone. I am annoyed by many of FB's new developments as well, but there just isn't a useful alternative. Even if the perfect lolita platform suddenly sprang into existence and all lolitas migrated, I'd still check Facebook to see what my normie friends and party buddies are up to.

[Anonymous No.9431244]

>>9431225
>no one uses it except for cosplay/lolita shit

No disagreeing with you that facebook is a POS, but I find for me it's the opposite. I for the post part DON'T want post my lolita and weeb shit in general because I don't want my normie facebook friends (which has accumulated over the yers of university, co-workers etc.) to find out about my hobbies to a huge extent, so I keep posting to a minimum about it. I know a lot of lolita groups are closed but some of my other hobbies things groups are open and that damn sidebar let people know if you post something there. But at the same time, I don't want people in my hobbies to know my real name either. It's a shit situation and facebook's platform is to blame for this. I keep it open, but for me and for a lot of people they talk to, they keep it around because they treat it like a modern day msn messenger and is the easiest way to talk to people they actually know online. Texting doesn't work in all situations or people.

On another note, you do have a point about facebooks feed is getting more and more retarded. I have blocked the worse of my shit stirring friends, but it's still a shit show of as you said "viral videos", useless quotes, clickbait, or someones sensationalized political views (left or right, they are both bad for this), implying that they think anyone gives a damn about their opinion. People making physical posts about their life is getting more rare. I usually can scroll down about 10 posts before getting annoyed. I am in a bunch of lolita pages and it's still not apparently enough.

I would jump ship if I could but I'm like many people trapped there because of lack of better alternative, and its the only way to actually talk to some of my irl friends.

[Anonymous No.9431246]

>>9431242
>>9431244
Those are all really good points as well and also great reasons that we really do need to migrate away from FB. I totally get the struggle of trying to separate jfash/cosplay from normal people/jobs/professionalism, and keeping two profiles is annoying and exhausting. Sounds like all the more reasons to create something more productive for the community rather than drama.

Even if some of us will still keep our FBs, it would still be a huge relief to not be trapped on it because of lolita, and also once again have a good source of information that is searchable.

[Anonymous No.9431293]

>>9431206
And cows give milk

[Anonymous No.9431327]

Dammit. Now I'm really considering making a lolita social network.

[Anonymous No.9431370]

OP, do you want to be a Lolita-hero?

DO THIS!! >>9428893

Would be great to have a platform to easily upload your own reviews with tags and dress names, and then have a good search engine to look for them.
Also including worn photos.
Maybe even build up on previous reviews, as in Lolibrary.


"Misty Sky
-user 1: I love it, it fits me
-user 2: too short for me, see photo
- user 3: the pink color is terrible, see photo"

and include stock photos at the header

[Anonymous No.9431374]

>>9431204
>There are literally tens of thousands of items
Right now? On lolibrary? I've only found 42 pages of results which makes 1048 entries.
Quite weird that the paginator shows 1971 pages btw. So many dead links.

>>9431370
>OP, do you want to be a Lolita-hero?
No, I don't. I just want to find a way to enjoy the secrets more because now I'm tired of LJ's garbage.

[Anonymous No.9431376]

>>9431370
That wasn't a popular feature of lolibrary tough, I don't pay attention to AP but I've never seen an actual review there

[Anonymous No.9431382]

I just want a livejournal community with a good app and a working captcha

[Anonymous No.9431432]

>>9431246
you completely misunderstood me here - I like FB because it is all my social circles on one platform. I do not keep any of my identities secret and only use one profile, but I use the group function to filter which posts are visible to which friends. It''s easy and effective.

[Anonymous No.9431883]

>>9431163
https://kiwifarms.net/forums/beauty-parlour.80/

[Anonymous No.9431900]

>>9431374
you could fetch the secrets from LJ and pipe them to a smarter app with a more user friendly interface

[Anonymous No.9432356]

>>9431900
That may work but it will not solve the new LJ TOS issue tho.

[Anonymous No.9436797]

>>9428051
>>9428893
>>9431225
>>9431246
>>9431327
>>9431370
>>9431382
Um.....Not to resurrect an unpopular thread from near certain death or anything but...

I'm not the thread's OP, but I'm actually interested in some of the ideas that came up in this thread regarding what other lolitas want in a social website/app/whatever as a replacement for unpopular or no longer utilized websites like LJ.

1. Is there an actual community-wide demand/desire for a new social website, like something similar to the EGL community was at the best of times? Or was that a sort of contextual dinosaur that the community has evolved away from?

2. If there is a demand for such a thing, then why do the other social websites, like LJ, Reddit, Amino, Lacebook, etc not meet that demand?

3. What worked about those websites, and what didn't work? Why did/didn't it work?

I'm full of questions about this and I think it needs to be discussed, I'd like to see something that works for the community's needs.
However, maybe this isn't the thread to discuss it in, or best place to discuss it, just tell me.

Thank you <3

[Anonymous No.9436827]

>>9436797
Thanks for resurrecting my thread anon.

All of these are really good questions and I'm looking forward for the answers.

[Anonymous No.9436853]

>>9431374
They're still trying to transfer the database from the old site I think, and the 42 pages of results are just the new arrivals, not the whole thing. I can't believe you think there are only 1048 entries on there, you must be new. On the old site, when you filtered by brand, it told you how many entries there were for each brand. Some brands had ridiculous numbers like 15000, most had at least 1-5k.

[Anonymous No.9436854]

>>9431432
You can only properly control the security settings your own posts. If you comment on any other lolita's post and their profile is set to "friends of friends" or "public" other people on your friends list will be able to see what you've just put. There's no way to tell whether a friend's status is set to friends or friends of friends AFAIK.

[Anonymous No.9436876]

>>9436827
You're welcome, Anon!

To be honest though, I'm biased because I'd really enjoy it if there was a more centralized lolita community website/app/whatever, and I'd use it myself if there was.

Not to get ultra serious here, but as someone who was previously stalked by an ex-boyfriend, I think I'd prefer to have a more separate lolita website/etc away from Facebook. I hesitate to use Facebook almost all let alone for online stuff/hobbies/interests/etc so I'd prefer a Facebook alternative that was less connected to my real life and real people, like elderly relatives or other vulnerable people in my life.

What do you think? I know everyone has their own preferences and ways of using the internet for socializing, what would you like to see for a lolita social website/app/etc?

[Anonymous No.9436880]

>>9436876
* use Facebook almost at all
Typo :P sorry

[Anonymous No.9436944]

>>9436876
I don't know if my personal experience is representative since I'm a lonelita living in the middle of nowhere . I don't mind posting on Facebook. I only have a few close friends and family there who don't really care what I'm doing.
That's why it's really interesting for me to have other point of views on that matter. Just to see if it's a viable project to consider or not.

[Anonymous No.9436948]

>>9436880
>:P
Please someone kill the summerfags

[Anonymous No.9437070]

>>9436797
You could have all the gadgets and gizmos every one on here asks for but if it doesn't gain a mass following and a following that stays for more than a couple weeks then it's not going to last. That's been the problem with a lot of the social sites that aren't FB or Insta. You need to not only build a desirable site but also a site that creates a preference over alternatives and a lasting preference.

[Anonymous No.9437111]

>>9436876
I want exactly the same as livejournal but with a better app and no gaptcha. Especially the friends-lock is important.

[Anonymous No.9437143]

I'm curious as fuck

[Anonymous No.9437611]

LJ is essentially a blog platform why didn't everyone go to overblog or something? What makes LJ that different?

[Anonymous No.9437828]

>>9428272
this looks like shit. use a more modern typeface, make the secrets a more readable size, not taking you seriously because anybody who took a shitty html/css/java course on codeacademy could throw this together

[Anonymous No.9437951]

>>9428097
Wordpress literally does all of those things

[Anonymous No.9437967]

>>9437611
With livejournal you can share things from your own blog to the community and lock it whenever you want, this is really important to people who share downloads, translations and scans

[Anonymous No.9437978]

>>9437828
>make the secrets a more readable size
Not taking you seriously because it looks like you can't read.

>Top is the main page. Bottom is the comment section underneath a secret.
I didn't share how the secret is display on it's own page. How can you judge that?

[Anonymous No.9438010]

>>9437978
aww, poor baby doesn't like constructive criticism. i hope to god you don't plan on moderating this thing yourself, the last thing we need is another pissbaby moderator.

[Anonymous No.9438102]

>>9438010
Constructive criticism? lol
You're LITERALLY judging something you didn't see and that's supposed to be constructive? You're not even logical in your trolling anon.

[Anonymous No.9438181]

>>9438102
>abloobloobloo, somebody didn't like my shitty webpage!!!!

[Anonymous No.9440532]

>>9428688
>dont respond to me
>no one did
AHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.9440566]

>>9428754
Ah, so you want to make your own Btb and take away the anonymity and be admin so you can monitor vendettas against you and secretly punish offenders. That's like starting an internet bullying support group and using it to collect info from victims to use for blackmail or defamation later.

[Anonymous No.9440595]

I'm not the OP but I am interested in making a new community website (just grabbed in domain lolita.community just in case). Like >>9436876 and >>9431246 I really dislike using Facebook for lolita stuff. I don't really have an interest in adding a "secrets" functionality but I am a fan of anonymous posting/commenting.

I think the review idea sounds great but I think duplicating Lolibrary functionality is a bad idea. Did they remove the comment system because nobody used it?

[Anonymous No.9440601]

>>9440595
I think it would be really good if you called it egl or rorita instead, less ageplayers would try to join. Remember when we thought facebook was deleting groups with the word lolita in it and everyone changed it to egl? My comm never changed the name back to lolita because less creeps try to join.

[Anonymous No.9440621]

>>9440601
I'm not settled on a name (I collect stupid domains) and I'm totally ok with changing it or working with the other people trying to make a new not-secrets website. I'm more interested in what kind of features people think would be useful. You have to keep in mind it would start out small scale and likely fail so anything that requires lots of people to register (like features for local lolita communities) would be useless.

[Anonymous No.9440845]

It's funny how everyone now want to make their own website after OP pretending to make a new secrets platform. If there's so much web developer in the community, then why no one made something useful earlier to replace LJ and FB?

[Anonymous No.9440881]

Personally what I'm missing in the Lolita community is two things. A place for our online community (facebook just isn't good for resources and discussion) and people who actually bring in useful things, like magazine scans, blogs about how the fashion changes, and translations.

[Anonymous No.9442076]

>>9440881
Do you mean you would prefer a forum like interface for sharing things and discuss?

[Anonymous No.9445206]

>>9428051
I'm just glad someone's still using Livejournal. It makes me all nostalgic.

[Anonymous No.9445221]

Is there any way to archive all the livejournal entries on egl, btb and other communities? The Wayback Machine is barely working on LJ anymore and it would be horrible to loose that part of lolita history after Livejournal shuts down.

[Anonymous No.9445224]

>>9440845
because people who actually have decent webdev/IT/compsci skills have real jobs and are too busy to focus on stupid projects like this. i bet that most of the people who claim to have the abilities here are just exaggerating.

[Anonymous No.9445325]

>>9445221
Screencaps and dedication I guess

[Anonymous No.9445601]

>>9445221
I wonder if Httrack would work with LJ.

[Anonymous No.9446438]

>>9445221
Have you tried http://archive.is/ ??

[Anonymous No.9446454]

>>9445224
Also because the ones that do work on lolibrary and lacemarket.

But honestly, if I remember right, you can just download an archive to export posts and you can run an importer plugin for wordpress, throw in a nice template and you're good to go. (just make backups) If LJ even still has an export feature. i remember importing all my old blog posts from 1999 onwards to LJ before I closed a bunch of my domains but that was awhile ago.

[Anonymous No.9450320]

>>9428072
i mean, lj is a dead platform. Why would someone bother getting the app if btb is its only use? Why bother pinning it to the bookmark? Also lj isn't very user friendly to people born after '97 which are like 19 now... I don't think the layout or the system itself is the problem but the fact that the site isn't multifunctional or popular in the slightest is. I wouldn't mind seeing btb keel over but if anyone has any interest in keeping it alive a revamp on another site wouldn't be a bad idea.
Honestly the amount of reservations about this tells me the mods are here and got their bloomers in a bunch.

[Anonymous No.9450323]

>>9450320
You can access it in browser instead of in-app and you don't need an account to comment because BtB is anonymous.

[Anonymous No.9450325]

>>9428097
why not reddit?

[Anonymous No.9450367]

>>9450323
can't deny that the browser version is miserable to use on smartphone and making an account isn't a big deal as long as it isn't connected to your fb or phone contacts.