Old School Thread

[Anonymous No.9425947]

Last thread >>9406873

Recent obsessions? Recent purchases?
What was it that about old school that initially caught your attention? Did it take your eyes time to adjust so to speak?
How often do you go out in old school? Do you think about the philosophy much or is it something you just enjoy wearing?

[Anonymous No.9425958]

I love tartan and hope to fill my wardrobe with it.

for me the thing about oldschool is nostalgia, the way I felt when I started (2009). The past years I felt like 'modern' lolita has strayed away from the true Lolita spirit.

I still think Kamikaze Girls is the go to movie for any new lolita to watch, as IMO it really captures what the fashion is about.

[Anonymous No.9426314]

AP's Cherry Pintuck, continuing from the last thread

[Anonymous No.9426319]

>>9426314

[Anonymous No.9426323]

>>9426319

[Anonymous No.9426363]

It makes me think you probly could have just picked up this fabric yourself during that time.

[Anonymous No.9426388]

>>9426363
Some patterned fabric used in the old school days is just fabric that was widely available. Brands showed their individuality through the way they used the fabric (later on they used screen prints, embroidery, and finally created their own fabric). AP's used this cherry fabric, Meta's used it too, but their dresses and skirts look quite different. Think about Baby's tartan JSKs. AP's used that same tartan fabric, and a classic brand has too but I can't remember which.
To me, it gives old school a sort of "for lolitas, by lolitas" vibe.

[Anonymous No.9426407]

>>9425947
>Recent purchases?
apparently, i have been collecting old school Moitie/Boz without realizing it. i need to confirm the dates they were released, but it turns out my ouji aesthetic is influenced by the old school days of visual kei influence.

has anyone else experienced similar? i have assumed these threads focused on the simpler old school lolita styles, so i have not been keeping up.

[Anonymous No.9426427]

>>9426314
>>9426319
>>9426323
My dude. These are awesome. Where did you find these? I'd love to find one of the skirts in this print.
>>9426388 I agree, you can definitely see the difference between AP's and Meta's pieces.

[Anonymous No.9426440]

Does anyone here have a black detachable collar by baby that they don't want? I would be happy to buy it off you. I really wish I could get my hands on even a plain collar that I would decorate myself.

[Anonymous No.9426467]

>>9426427
Lots and lots of digging through places like Mercari and Fril. Every. Single. Page.

[Anonymous No.9426578]

>>9426440
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m512669891/
Maybe this could work? The design is pretty plain, so you could customize it.

[Anonymous No.9426676]

>>9426578
This is perfect, thank you anon!

[Anonymous No.9426772]

>>9426407
I have bought few items I didn't know were actually old but I guess it happens if your preferences and taste are in line with particular era. I have been thinking about going towards old school goth more lately how is the sizing? I'm 70cm/86cm do I have a change to get into it? Skirts are obviously not for me, I'm looking to shed few kilos but even when I was underweight my waist was 66cm and I'm not going to get there never again honestly.

Sometimes I just feel like I want to sell all my sweet stuff but I end buying even more ffs. I really want to be a gothic old school princess.

[Anonymous No.9426827]

>>9426772
I own a decent amount of old school moitie (mostly ops), it goes to maaaaaaybe 70cm waist for the most part. That would give enough space for petticoats, breathing, and making sure you weren't stressing the seams at all. I'm roughly 66cm waist and I have quite a bit of breathing space.

[Anonymous No.9426829]

>>9426319
Holy fuckernuts this is one of the cutest dresses I've ever seen. Do you happen to have the name?

[Anonymous No.9426843]

>>9426407
Yeah, same here on the Boz pieces. I've found myself gravitating more and more towards the old schoo goth stuff, mainly Boz. Over the last year I've found myself pick up three pieces of Boz from 2008. While not super old, I do like I lot of the releases from around then. I've always had something of a visual kei edge to how I dress, which is a mix of the more mature, 'Aristocrat' end of ouji, and the jgoth pieces I often see labelled in the West as 'femme Aristocrat'. I've also accidentally ended up managing to pick up what I'm guessing is an older piece of Atelier Pierrot by accident that was being sold as Boz. It's gorgeous. I'd love to know what year it's from, and whether it's a named piece, as I've seen it possibly once in a low-res magazine can.

[Anonymous No.9426847]

>>9426843
The magazine scan I found, the dress I'm guessing is mine is the one second one down from the top on the right. If anyone can help translate/identify this piece, I'd be hugely grateful.

[Anonymous No.9426867]

>>9426843
God... It's the kind of clothes a fantasy fan can only dream of
I'm really digging the front lacing

[Anonymous No.9426902]

>>9426867
Thanks. The 'fantasy Medieval' goth vibe of it really is lovely, as it's so simple and not at all ott. It weighs a ton as well, thick, heavy fabric with a gorgeous drape, and it's thick cotton-feeling tape for the lacing. It's not the easiest to match blouses to, but is worth it. I can see why it was mistaken for Boz though, as it does resemble some of the older Boz stuff out there. It makes me want to find more older AtPi with this sort of style.

[Anonymous No.9426941]

>>9426847
This is from Gothic and Lolita Bible 14, so it's from 2004. I can't read the name all the way but sadly like a lot of old school it's a generic name, just "Long [Something] Tuck OP" I believe.

[Anonymous No.9426984]

>>9426941
Wow, thank you! I hadn't expected this to be quite so old. It arrived in near flawless condition as well. It seems I really did luck out on this find, and it wasn't too badly priced either.

[Anonymous No.9427005]

>>9426676
Always happy to help!
>>9426829
Angelic Pretty's Cherry Pintuck OP in red, from 2002.

[Anonymous No.9427091]

I got these during the past month for summer.
So happy.
Old school gives me some strange kind of happiness that newer Lolita doesn't, also different from new dream dresses

[Anonymous No.9427142]

Does anyone else get great pleasure in having secondhand pieces arrive and starting to carefully wash and dry and steam them and the like? Something about it feels so good to me, I feel weirdly...connected? to the clothes, taking care to wash them by hand and the like, somehow it makes me feel really good and makes me love them even more. It's part of buying secondhand that I actually really enjoy, though I've been careful and haven't been the victim of a horror story yet luckily.

[Anonymous No.9427184]

>>9427091
I have that meta jsk, it's so comfortable and easy to coord

[Anonymous No.9427209]

>>9427091
I love that tartan skirt, sauce on it?From the style it looks like AP.

[Anonymous No.9427218]

>>9427091
>Old school gives me some strange kind of happiness that newer Lolita doesn't
This. I wonder why.And I discovered lolita in 2010 when OTT sweet was booming so it's not nostalgia

[Anonymous No.9427306]

>>9427142
I was de-linting the other day and had that feel, like you're brushing someone's hair? I've been wanting to invest in a hand steamer for a while now, do you like the one you have?

[Anonymous No.9427335]

>>9427218
For me I discovered lolita in 2009 and even though it was the start of OTT my local comm still couldn't afford these newer pieces so the girls who would help me out figure myself were oldschool lolitas. Ironically they were saving up and longing to dress modern. I guess it depends on the country, some are more on top of the current trends than others. I ended up dressing modern too because of the internet and magazines and then I found myself missing that time and how deeply I admired the way these girls around me looked, being behind the trends. That's why I love oldschool now.

Oldschool is also iconic to me, when anyone thinks of lolitas, they think of the oldschool look, even when it borders on ita. I feel more lolita when I dress in oldschool, as silly as it sounds. And even the oldschool sweet look has a little bit of a creepy, aged aspect to it that is cute but a little intimidating. Maybe you can relate to these reasons.

[Anonymous No.9427351]

>>9427335
Aged aspect?
But I totally get what you mean.
I think I also like old school better because of the "punk" vibe, that sort of intimidating vibe it had especially in older streetsnaps.
It was as if they were saying "I look cute but I'm not affraid to kick ass". Nowadays it's more about being a kawaii purinsessu and that more "edgy" side of older lolita is gone.

[Anonymous No.9427359]

Some ig finds

[Anonymous No.9427363]

Handomado

[Anonymous No.9427365]

[Anonymous No.9427373]

Belle epoque orthodox tea party, looks like everyone is wearing old school.

[Anonymous No.9427375]

[Anonymous No.9427377]

>>9427351
I meant that the fabric choices aren't as pop, they look more antique without going into classic territory. Like the clothing of old dolls. Lolita used to take a lot of inspiration from lifeless dolls which nowadays some lolitas hate (recently that lovely lor video, I get it, that living doll shit ruined it), but it gives it an edge imo. People are scared of dolls, so even an oldschool sweet lolita has more impact. On the other hand modern classic lolita is inspired by what living people would actually wear, so it's more tame in that sense. It's hard to explain without sounding cringy because it's very subjective.

[Anonymous No.9427379]

So cute!

[Anonymous No.9427381]

[Anonymous No.9427382]

>>9427377
*wore, shit. Have an oldschool misako to not derail any more.

[Anonymous No.9427405]

>>9427359
Oh wow Elizabeth OP needs long bloomers in the worst way, that is not cute as is. Hope she didn't have to go up any escalators

[Anonymous No.9427433]

>>9427377
To be fair, the clothing of antique dolls is also what living people would actually wear, they're usually clothed like Victorian or Edwardian children. But it does feel like some of the scale and proportion of the garments and their detailing bypasses the original inspo and comes straight from dolls.

[Anonymous No.9427456]

>>9427091
I've been eyeing up that black and white dress on Wunderwelt for a while, but I was wavering because the design is so summery but I don't like to wear black in hot weather. I'm glad you got it and I'd love to see any coords you post with it! That heart pocket tartan skirt is adorable too.

>>9427142
I find it frustrating as fuck, ironing ruffles takes so long and my steamer is more trouble than it's worth. I'm also very scared of colour bleeding and lace shrinking, so if a dress smells clean when it arrives I won't wash it.

>>9427335
>Oldschool is also iconic to me, when anyone thinks of lolitas, they think of the oldschool look
Pretty much this. I got into lolita around 2013-2014, when oldschool was unfashionably dead and wasn't enjoying the revival it has now, but I still associate oldschool with my first experiences of the fashion because a lot of the lolita pictures I saw by chance were oldschool. The local comm pages linked to guides like Hello Lace and the Lolita Handbook which featured a lot of oldschool looks as well.

[Anonymous No.9427499]

posted this in the general as well - but has anyone ever seen any coords with these pink old school btssb hoodies? I really love them, as they're pretty versatile but I'm curious about the intended look.

[Anonymous No.9427636]

I'm not sure how unpopular my opinion is, but one thing that I also really really like about old school is the freedom of choice when it comes to petticoats. Don't get me wrong, I love to look like a madafuckin' cupcake, but usually I think of my petticoat as an annoying burden. Like I live in a small apartment, I'll either take my car or public transport which are both not petticoat friendly and shopping in small shops? Ahaha not with a petticoat. I like minimum poof, because it's so much more practical in everyday life. Just like most aspects of oldschool. Oldschool was just ment to be worn on an everyday basis and I can see why there's such a lack of lifestylers nowadays.

[Anonymous No.9427644]

>>9427405
her boobs also take the waist up, so no wonder it's so short. this is the worst worn pic of elisabeth, I'm ashamed

[Anonymous No.9427674]

Speaking of the oldschool feel vs new feel
In the case of these two bonnets, the top one is really old, has the second AP tag, and the bottom one is Holy Lacy doll (new) and even has a veil, which I haven't seen in old scans (if anyone has any veiled pics, please share).
Tbh I like more the bottom one. I think AP nailed better the shape, but still this bonnet is meant to be kind of old school.

In general, are there new pieces that you would consider have that old feel?
(We could of course talk about Baby and their remakes, but I mean new designs in general)

[Anonymous No.9427675]

>>9427674
Dropped pic

[Anonymous No.9427725]

>>9427636
I agree. I only have one deflated petti and even wear it with my modern pieces. pic related

[Anonymous No.9427730]

>>9427209
Indeed, AP

[Anonymous No.9427769]

>>9427674
It's a bit hard to tell but they are not really similar imo? They are both soft and black but that's pretty much it? I have a soft AP bonnet and it would look like these two too because the details are not really visible because contrast is too high. I'm trying to not come accross mean I'm just genuinely curious.

That's actually a good question. I don't think something has to be actually old to fit my style but most of the time the stuff I get tends to be. However, most of the new stuff I have is bags and shoes because those things haven't actually changed that much after brands started to put them out or they are so variable that brands still offer them. Socks must be another thing.

I actually wish more brands would reproduce like Baby does. Old school is starting to boom more and more so maybe other brands will pick up as well? AP in particular has had pretty shoes, hats and bags that I would love to be able to buy. Maybe that kind of things would sell to non-old school fags too?

[Anonymous No.9427800]

>>9427769
I think that that's one of the things I love about Boz. They've got a number of classic staple items that they release year after year, and from time to time they go back to various designs they've brought out, and then release a new take on them. It helps add to their tieless feeling appeal to me. Bringing out new things and experimenting with stuff also keeps them fresh, combined with the new takes on older releses.

[Anonymous No.9427806]

>>9427674
Obviously MMM. Meta too releases some things that are oldschool inspired. They're the brand that tries to diversify their style to appeal to as many different lolitas as possible, including oldschool lolitas. I've noticed brands use the word "classical" to talk about oldschool, not classic lolita. So keep your eyes peeled for that word.

Other than that... Baby's Strawberry Drops maybe? if coordinated well. But the polkadot bows irk me. Nothing from other brands... AP in particular has never acknowledged anything from those very early years. Unlike other brands their golden days were in 2010, and they honestly were the brand that killed oldschool anyways = they introduced a must use of wigs, fake eyelashes, prints... I'd be shocked if they ever tried to target oldschoolers, though they're in a very weird phase right now so who knows.

[Anonymous No.9427851]

>>9427806
Is it just an illusion or were old school pieces more full? As in they have more skirt fabric?

[Anonymous No.9427856]

>>9427851
It completely depends on the piece, some were more full, many were much less full, some were the same level of fullness but appear to have more material because they're being worn with smaller petticoats so the fabric drapes a lot.

[Anonymous No.9427869]

I got into Lolita in 2003 (and even then, my sources were a bit dated) so my idea of what Lolita is is kind of lagging behind. I don't consider 60 % of coords I see these days (especially the OTT stuff, Taobao brands or most Juliette and Juliette and Justine) to be the same Lolita I knew and loved, just 'pretty dresses'. Old school is just so unmistakably iconic and distinctive but sticks out more amongst normie clothes. I wear new school Lolita simply to have something nice to wear for special normie occasions or going to galleries/museums.

[Anonymous No.9427871]

>>9427869
>sticks out more amongst normie clothes
Right - I don't get why people say oldschool is so much more casual, the materials used are so obviously different from mainstream fashion that IMO it sticks out much more than simple prints in modern cuts do.

[Anonymous No.9427885]

>>9427871
I think it's because old school often demands less layers and accessorizing and it's generally easier to wear than modern lolita so it feels more casual in comparison. Not to say that all modern lolita is OTT or that all old school is simple but you know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.9427901]

>>9427885
I wouldn't say more casual necessarily, it's just more simple in many ways, less ott. The focus is less on piling n as many things as possible (be it on the dres or the accessories), and more on specific details.

[Anonymous No.9427907]

>>9427901
Yes, that's exactly what I meant, that's why I said
>it feels more casual in comparison
and not
>it is more casual in comparison
Either way, old school is definitely more wearable than most current trends.

[Anonymous No.9428250]

>>9427636
I usually skip the petti for casual coords , unless I do pics or I attend meets I don't care about petticoats.

[Anonymous No.9428262]

>>9427142
i wish i enjoyed washing my pieces. i have a weird phobia of other peoples smells which i didnt discover until i lend a jsk and blouse to a friend and nearly fainted when i got it back and it smelled like a human. i have a really nice skirt i havent gotten around to steaming and ironing yet because it grosses me out

[Anonymous No.9428266]

>>9427730
I love these old AP labels.

[Anonymous No.9428276]

>>9427869
I got into it around the same time as you, so it's fascinating to see how people regard the dresses from back then now. Ironically, I didn't fall hard for lolita until I discovered VM/MM because I couldn't handle the oldschool bxw lace and such from BtSSB and AP.

I also couldn't get into prints/different materials until around 2014, I still have a bit of a problem with buying stuff other than cotton.

The classical brands haven't evolved nearly as much from how they used to look so I've pretty much stuck with them, but it is definitely nostalgic to look at oldschool now with this distance in place. I like these threads because people actually talk about the clothes and their associations with it rather than all the shitposting at occurs in practically every other lolita thread here.

[Anonymous No.9428358]

>>9428276
>I like these threads because people actually talk about the clothes and their associations with it rather than all the shitposting at occurs in practically every other lolita thread here.
This is so true, I love the warm and welcoming feeling of these threads. It's nice to not having to be afraid to be regognised and shit on. People are also really aknowledged and there is usually no non-lolitas around which is extra nice.

[Anonymous No.9428812]

[Anonymous No.9428819]

>>9428812

[Anonymous No.9428821]

>>9428819

[Anonymous No.9428873]

Reposting from other thread!

Any help with getting an ID for this dress? Can't find it on Lolibrary. I just like knowing the exact details for every dress I own.

[Anonymous No.9428959]

>>9428873
Looks like 2005. Sometimes they are tagged wrong or not at all on Lolibrary so maybe you could check that year.

[Anonymous No.9428979]

>>9428959
Sorry, shit advice. There is not much from that year on Lolibrary. However, 2005-2006 feels accurate.

[Anonymous No.9429333]

>>9425947
Anyone remembers Catherine (the girl on the left)? She was so fucking great!

[Anonymous No.9429360]

>>9428819
I want that so bad!

[Anonymous No.9429685]

https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/products/w-13267

[Anonymous No.9429690]

https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/products/w-12687

[Anonymous No.9429864]

>>9427142
I love washing old pieces for the first time. It feels like I'm purging the evil out of an old dress and giving it new life

[Anonymous No.9430102]

>>9429333
I liked her make-up style, although I always suspected it was one of those things that might photograph well but look OTT IRL.

[Anonymous No.9430260]

what would be some suitable bags for oldschool other than the ribbon heart bag from Baby?

[Anonymous No.9430303]

>>9430260
Depends on style, but a lot of nowaday's bag styles are actually old or atleast similar. Pic related is old AP, so sweet bags are pretty easy to find. Baby has also printed boston bags with florals which imo go pretty well. I also sometimes use more modern boston bags because they are good size and have nice pockets. Plush bags were in style too. Totes with sipmle prints are also fine.

[Anonymous No.9430350]

Any good tips for keeping fancy cluny lace in the right shape? I've had this dress 10 years and have either dry cleaned it or hand washed it, and stretched the lace back into shape after each wash. That takes forever but I hate how it looks crinkly when I don't do it. Any ideas?

[Anonymous No.9430352]

>>9430350
Maybe try starching?

I also hate hand pulling the lace every time, but I'm too lazy to treat it with anything.

[Anonymous No.9430357]

>>9430352
Glad I'm not the only person who does it at least!

[Anonymous No.9430375]

>>9430350
The only way I know of is reshaping it while the garment is wet. Sorry that isn't more helpful; I know it's a total pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.9430378]

>>9430375
Worth it though.

[Anonymous No.9430379]

>>9430350
I just iron it? Btw, that color way is so pretty, I really wish I had it in sax or pink instead of boring ivory.

[Anonymous No.9430444]

>>9430379
It's my fave dress style, I have it in sax, pink, and all black because out was pretty practical when I wore lolita several times a week. I always wanted the red version.

[Anonymous No.9430467]

>>9430444
It's super versatile and cheap too and the lace is so pretty. Not to mention how comfy and long it is. Mine is actually a bit streched out so I have been debating if I should try if someone bigger than me would get more use of it but honestly even as it is it has more value for me since it's not really expensive.

[Anonymous No.9430556]

Was using offbrand a thing in old school lolita? I have many vintage or just fancy thrifted blouses and want to coordinate them

[Anonymous No.9430749]

>>9430102
Yeah I guess it was the same for some of the stuff she made. What happened to her anyways?

[Anonymous No.9430763]

>>9430260
I want to spoonfeed you but geez, this shows so little attempt at prior research that I can't be arsed. Take a look through some old pics and see what kind of bags they're using - if you get answers in this thread without looking at inspo you'll only fuck up the rest of your coord anyway. General points to note include that oldschool used simple printed cloth brand totes a heck of a lot more than people ever do nowadays, most bag shapes are simple, crown-shaped novelty bags and some animal bags existed, and there was some crossover with brands like Vivienne Westwood.

Magazine scans:
http://www.lolitahistory.com/gallery/

Cropped coords:
http://oldschoollolita.tumblr.com/

Assorted images, mostly pictures of dresses saved from second-hand sites but some coords:
http://imgur.com/a/YzGcg

[Anonymous No.9430771]

>>9430556
There was some offbrand and other brands like VW as well as a fair bit of handmade, but you have to make absolutely sure it fits the aesthetic (no chiffon outside of gothic, appropriate lace, etc).

>>9426323
I just stumbled across some pics of the Meta version in the for cgl oldschool album, I reverse image searched to find the source of most of them but this one came up with nothing. Looks like it might be >>9425314 from the last thread?

[Anonymous No.9430773]

>>9430771
http://www.re-ri.net/wordpress/?p=859

[Anonymous No.9430774]

>>9430773

[Anonymous No.9430791]

>>9430774

[Anonymous No.9430825]

>>9430771
This OP has more gingham and less green leaves than Meta's. They do look really similar, though, and the site the photos are from says the OP is Meta, so it's probably just a really similar piece.

I also love that the model is wearing sandals. They're so cute.

[Anonymous No.9431570]

>>9425947
Just got a black Meta skirt from 2004. I think this is the first time I've seen and felt actually good raschel lace. I never knew it could be this nice...
To answer your questions:
My introduction to lolita was old school, I discovered it online before OTT sweet had really gained traction, so it'll always be nostalgic for me. I was a baby bat mallgoth who loved historic fashion, partially due to my family's involvement in regency dances and reenactments. Old school married my love of the kind of frumpy antiqueness and my desire to break away and be edgy. Here I am, a decade later, living my teenage dream and trying to wear it as often as I can. I love the simplicity and sturdiness of old school, I could never get into wearing newer stuff daily without constant worry of snagging the chiffon or lace. Plus, it feels more old-fashioned, when I wear it I feel like I've stepped out of another time. Plus, rectangle headdresses are the absolute best and look so ladylike and beautiful.
>RIP Avant Gauche

[Anonymous No.9431951]

Stupid question, how I can wear a headdress without having it falling from my head all the time?

[Anonymous No.9431982]

>>9431951
Bobby pins.

[Anonymous No.9432205]

Found some old photos

[Anonymous No.9432298]

>>9431951
>>9431982

This pretty much, you should be able to do it in such a way as to hide it. Some headdresses actually have a comb underneath that's been sewn onto it, which is super helpful!

You can clip the sides where the headdress meets the string to tie and hide it with your hair, shouldn't be noticeable at all.

[Anonymous No.9432300]

>>9432205
Wow, are those OPs or bustier jsk's over a blouse? I've never seen anything like them. Dream dress status

[Anonymous No.9432392]

I like how the basic coord thread is 50% old school, that's pretty much what was so great about it.

[Anonymous No.9432400]

>>9431951
>>9432298
Also, you have to tighten it once you have pinned the otherside down and put the strings behind your ears so it won't fall when you bend. It's super awkward when it does.

[Anonymous No.9432571]

>>9425947
Uuuuhuuu this early btssb jsk that's on y!j is gorge. https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w175669857

This is the kind of designs I'd love to see again, I love just simple black with white lace to death.

[Anonymous No.9432672]

>>9432571
That's so gorgerous anon! It would be lovely if this kind of lolita came back to style. We can always wish Baby will release some of the old styles as they have been doing recently.

[Anonymous No.9432816]

>>9432300
Same

[Anonymous No.9433014]

How old school is solid coloured bodyline main pieces?

[Anonymous No.9433033]

>>9433014
Depends on the piece - I've seen oldschool done well with L087 (which is heavily inspired by an old Meta piece IIRC) and it can be done with L348 but a lot of the others are either too modern or kind of ita. L082 would be doable if you really wanted. I never would have expected L218 to look good but angel-bruises uses it a lot.

[Anonymous No.9433044]

>>9433033
They also have useable headdresses and soft bonnets and a couple of blouses that would work, although their blouse material is often bad quality. The blouse L076 is genuinely pretty nice, l075 has a nice old-school design but polyestery material.

Old-school can be so cheap it's almost not worth buying Bodyline piece, but I'm dumping a few examples of Bodyline used well from CoF and tumblr anyway.

Skirt is L218, shoes are also Bodyline but they don't sell that design any more.

[Anonymous No.9433045]

>>9433044
OP is L088 with a blouse under it, headdress is acc832, shoes are also a discontinued Bodyline pair.

[Anonymous No.9433048]

>>9433045
JSK is L348, bonnet and shoes also Bodyline. Would look a lot better with the waist bow removed IMO.

[Anonymous No.9433063]

>>9433048
dropped pic

[Anonymous No.9433071]

>>9432672
Same, esp bc I realistically can't fit into pieces with waists under like 70cm, even if I lose an extra couple of pounds it's just not in my overall body type. I'd love for BTSSB to pick out some older styles to release again like their Karami OP. AP too, oldschool AP was soooo good, so many of us drool over that standing collar cross op.

[Anonymous No.9433072]

>>9433044
Bodyline headdresses are also nice because it's incredibly easy to swap the center ribbon out for another color and it's cheap so you don't have to worry too much. I personally bought a white one and swapped the center ribbon and ribbon ties for a red to match my jsk I had.

[Anonymous No.9433082]

>>9433063
Bodyline JSK (don't know the number), shoes and socks.

>>9433072
Depends on the design, the one with the roses has the ribbons sewn in under the roses so it's impossible to remove without disassembling the entire headdress. Kind of sad since that one has much shinier ribbons than the other one.

[Anonymous No.9433085]

>>9433082
L218 and a Bodyline round headdress (acc1085).

Loads of pictures with acc064 rectangle headdress on her tumblr as well:
http://68.media.tumblr.com/772854eed6f391a60eec02f76a3c8c09/tumblr_nump0hWACV1r1xdxao2_1280.jpg
http://68.media.tumblr.com/6a9fc0796e7824ccd54f096bf99e069e/tumblr_o9y10r1jLc1r1xdxao2_1280.jpg
(same skirt and shoes again)
http://68.media.tumblr.com/5c12604193b03be326f20bef7d4a3377/tumblr_nw0y227cmn1r1xdxao3_1280.jpg

[Anonymous No.9433091]

>>9433085
Bodyline blouse (L076), headdress (acc832), wristcuffs, shoes.

[Anonymous No.9433096]

>>9433091
ffs dropped pic again

[Anonymous No.9433157]

Does anyone know what the light fabric with the woven stripy design Baby used to use? (still does use?) I think what the karami jsk was made of.

[Anonymous No.9433168]

>>9433157
They still use it sometimes, they released a Karami skirt with it a couple of years ago. in 2015 or 2016. I can't find it on lolibrary but I remember seeing it on their webshop a year or so ago.

most releases of the karami skirt aren't lightweight at all though, it has an inbuilt tulle petti and a lot of layers.

[Anonymous No.9433171]

>>9432300
>>9432816
Looking closely at where the bodice and blouse is, it looks like bustier JSKs or a skirt + matching corset over a blouse. They released a lot of designs like that, as well as a lot of underbust and overbust corsets:
https://lolibrary.org/items/millefleurs-rose-lace-corset

>>9431570
Be warned that Meta still use genuinely horrible raschel sometimes, so you've got to look closely at each individual piece you buy if that'll bother you.

[Anonymous No.9433178]

What year do you consider lolita to be not "old school" anymore?

[Anonymous No.9433192]

>>9433178
2006-2007 is pushing it depending on the piece and style of it. 2005 and back is "true" oldschool for me.

[Anonymous No.9433195]

>>9433178
I'd say 2006 is the year where some coords are oldschool yet some are not, I think this Kera scan shows this pretty well.

[Anonymous No.9433197]

>>9433178
Everything pre-2006 is automatically oldschool to me, 2006-2008 still has a lot of girls wearing oldschool and items with oldschool styling being released but there's also a lot of non-oldschool stuff too.

Of course brands often re-release the same pieces and if it fits the aesthetic I'm not going to say that a dress isn't suitable for oldschool even if it's from 2011 or something.

[Anonymous No.9433273]

>>9432298
>>9431982
>>9432400
Thank you anons!

[Anonymous No.9433278]

>>9433168
Yep, that's one reason I want to make one, give it a light lining so it's nice for summer.

[Anonymous No.9433338]

>>9425947
>Recent obsessions? Recent purchases?
I'm buying stupid amounts of casual sweet lately even though I don't know if it'll even suit me, I keep being tempted by that overpriced pinkxwhite Pour Lolita cutsew on auctions.
>What was it that about old school that initially caught your attention? Did it take your eyes time to adjust so to speak?
Blackxwhite and gothic caught my attention first, but it definitely took my eyes time to adjust to the rest. I actually freaked out a bit when I started to get deep into oldschool, since I used to hate oldschool sweet and detachable sleeves and thought gobelin fabrics were absolutely hideous. I got more tolerant over time ("it's nice, but not for me" etc) before I finally got into it, but it's still weird knowing that my past self would think I look disgusting now. One of my old friends said lolita was like a cult or a virus that had taken me over and destroyed my sense of taste.
>How often do you go out in old school?
I've only been out in lolita half a dozen times since January, which is a bit shit. I've been on-and-off ill as well as snowed under with work for months - I made it to four meets but I don't usually wear oldschool to those, and I re-wore old coords to half of them. Kind of sad since I'm still buying oldschool and have a large enough wardrobe to be a lifestyler, I just have no opportunity to wear it. I'm always out during the day, so even though I wear lolita a fair bit at home I rarely post online since I can't get nice photos in natural light.
>Do you think about the philosophy much or is it something you just enjoy wearing?
I'm not rebellious enough these days to connect with the punky side of it, and I have a lot of non-lifestyle interests and hobbies that I can't wear lolita for so I'm not much of a lifestyler, but I love reading pretentious old lolita essays and I'm obsessed with lolita history. I guess I think about the philosophy a lot even though I don't actually personally subscribe to it.

[Anonymous No.9433362]

Can anyone rec super easy DIY tutorials for people that don't have access to a sewing machine and hate hand-sewing? I just tea-dyed a load of offbrand accessories and it was really satisfying, wondering if there's anything else I can do to customize my wardrobe a bit.

[Anonymous No.9433499]

>>9433362
ribbon and a lighter and alligartor clips. i use grosgrain and make careful hairbows in every colour just to have some around
i dont know if you have small pliers but customizing jewellery is fun. i take earrings apart and add the charms to necklces and bracelets and cellphone straps

[Anonymous No.9433787]

[Anonymous No.9434014]

Anons, I need a little help. Just bought this beauty from Wunderwelt. They said it was Innocent World but since lolibrary isn't up and running I've been having trouble tracking down any more info about it. Anyone have a stock pic or street snap? Also if anyone has advice on how I could coord this, that would be greatly appreciated. I'm thinking black shoes and a rectangle headdress but other than that I'm not sure.

[Anonymous No.9434103]

Do you feel like a worse oldschool lolita if you don't wear it regularly? There were some unusually good coords posted in the oldschool group lately and it's making me wish I could dress up. I always look at the tumblrs of girls that wear lolita regularly and feel bad in comparison.

[Anonymous No.9434237]

>>9434014
Does it actually have a label inside? You may want to try looking through glb scans cause taking a quick look through lolibrary I didn't see it. If you're curious do a search for innocent world floral or rose as they are tags. As for coording yeah I'd go with all black, some lace tops, long bloomers maybe, headdress, etc. And I know it's not very old school to suggest, but I feel like a black velvet vest or bustier would look really cute with it.

[Anonymous No.9434245]

>>9434014
I feel that coording this with bordeaux as an accent color will look good as well.

[Anonymous No.9434246]

>>9434014
Seconding >>9434237 to check tags - if it hasn't arrived yet, I'd honestly say don't bother until it does, since they could have mislabelled it. I spent six fruitless hours searching for a piece bought off Wunderwelt and wondering why I couldn't find it, then it arrived and I found it they'd labelled it with the wrong brand. Granted, I've probably bought 30 items off Wunderwelt and it only happened once, but it is possible it's not IW at all, although it does look pretty like IW.

Try something like this as a headpiece perhaps? Touches of colour were used with black in oldschool and I think it might look better than solid black accessories.
https://item.fril.jp/22e01e33d928c49f909a350b68c0994a

[Anonymous No.9434249]

>>9434245
Could do beige/cream legwear, black shoes, black bag, headpiece that incorporates both beige/cream and black.

[Anonymous No.9434440]

>>9434237
>>9434245
>>9434246
They literally listed it today and I snapped it up so I will definitely check the tags once it arrives. I found a different dress on lolibrary that was similarly cut, the fabric was basically the same, and it was from Innocent World but who knows haha.

Currently I'm thinking of pairing it with black platforms, pray to the gods I find matching bordeaux socks (maybe with beige lace tops??), peeking black bloomers, and a black rectangle headdress with dark pink roses. I have a tapestry bag but I'm not sure if it quite matches, although that might be cute in an oldschool way. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.9434457]

>>9434440
A tapestry bag could be really cute, it doesn't have to match perfectly imo as long as it looks good paired with the OP. Bordeaux socks with beige lace are actually easy to find but I'm not entirely sure that will look good with the look you had in mind. The rest sounds fine though.

[Anonymous No.9434467]

>>9434014
It MAY be this? Partial shirring, princess sleeves, long sleeves, came in black floral, but no pic has been added/found yet: https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-rococo-princess-sleeve-op

I feel you, I had a similar Meta dress I bought a while back where all I could find was a vague entry that sounded like it was maybe the dress I'd bought, but no pics.

[Anonymous No.9434484]

>>9433044
Those shoes were the first Lolita shoes I bought back in 2009 and I still have them! They're really beat up, don't think I'll ever find a pair I love as much as those

[Anonymous No.9434516]

>>9434103
Don't worry about that anon. The majority only wears oldschool because it's the flavor of the month right now, so I doubt "regular oldschool lolitas" are a thing anyway.

[Anonymous No.9434894]

>>9434440
Seconding >>9434457 on the bordeaux socks, I don't think they fit the oldschool aesthetic either, colour-scheme wise. I don't think a tapestry bag would need to be an exact match to look cute, especially as too much of the same print could be overwhelming.

>>9434516
IDK anon, angel-embryo seems to wear oldschool and other alt fash twice a week and has been doing for years, although from the pictures she posts it looks like she still lives at home with her parents and so isn't having to do things like cook or clean that she can't wear nice clothes for (I pretty much only wear lolita on some weekends, since I don't want food odours in my clothes and I'm not dedicated enough to the lifestyle to change my entire diet and schedule so I can wear lolita around the house in the evenings). Manda-the-stars-shine-bright has been wearing oldschool regularly for two or three years - she lives near NYC so I guess you could say it's more accepted there, but I have no idea what her living situation is. Same for cryptkasper. I'm sure there are others but those are the prolific ones that spring to mind.

Of course, when I actually looked at the breakdown of lolitas I follow they're mostly still just posting once or twice a week but some of them give off the impression (true or otherwise) that they wear a lot of coords they don't post because they're repeats or boring or part of their daily lives.

[Anonymous No.9434895]

>>9434484
when will Bodyline bring back the good stuff, comfiest pair of heels I've ever owned

[Anonymous No.9434953]

I think someone was asking where to get this in an old thread after seeing it in a street snap?

https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/%EF%BD%97-15752

[Anonymous No.9435005]

>>9434516
In the Facebook group and CoF for sure but other than that not really. I have been wearing it actively for two years now, which is half of the time I have been into lolita. I sometimes wear newer styles but it's more about the style I feel comfy in than actual choice. I don't have to put extra effort into it. You can spot people who do it to get likes or to just experiment because imo old school is not a look which you nail as easily as modern lolita.

[Anonymous No.9435428]

>>9434457
>>9434894
I feel more confident about my bag now, thanks! If not bordeaux socks, what do you suggest? I admit I don't have a lot of full on oldschool coords so I'm at a loss. Would just plain black ones be better?

[Anonymous No.9435439]

>>9435428
Or beige like >>9434249 suggested.

[Anonymous No.9435444]

>>9434894
Why would it be harder to get food smell out of your lolita clothes than your normie clothes? I mostly wear lolita when I'm at home (so cleaning, cooking etc.) because I can't wear it to work..

[Anonymous No.9435543]

>>9435444
Because most of my pieces aren't machine-washable. I have a lot of velvet and a lot of dark pieces with white lace that might colour bleed, or pieces with cotton lace that shrinks unless it's washed at low temperatures and needs re-shaping after each wash. Most of my non-oldschool lolita stuff is brand or Taobao prints, which, again, aren't exactly wash-and-wear. Lolita ironing takes fucking ages as well. Additionally, even if you just wear something cheap like Bodyline to cook in, strong smells like frying onions would also get into items like petticoats that are much harder to wash and re-fluff (I don't have a tumblr drier). You also risk stuff like spitting oil in clothes making stains that are nearly impossible to get out.

Even with my normal clothes, if I cook a batch of curry or similar wearing jeans and a T-shirt and my hair end up stinking and I usually throw all my clothes in the drier and have a shower afterwards. I could change my diet completely so it never involved oil, garlic, spices, onion or anything else that gets a smell into clothes, but I'm not that dedicated.

[Anonymous No.9435552]

>>9435543
Sage for ot but if you don't have a tumble dryer what do you use as a dryer? Never knew there were other types

[Anonymous No.9435556]

>>9435552
not the anon you replied to, but I'd just think they have no dryer at all? It's not that super common everywhere. I've never owned a drier.

[Anonymous No.9435558]

>>9435428
Going to do a mini-dump of black florals to see how they're coorded, pic related is notable because it uses a black headdress with coloured roses like the one suggested above.

>>9435552
Most people in the UK don't have machine driers at all, they line-dry everything or dry it indoors on drying racks. Even people living in flats don't usually have driers, since they're a fire hazard if the lint trap isn't cleaned. I use a rack like the below, turn the heating on and/or use a dehumidifer to avoid condensation building up indoors if it's too cold to open the windows. I also have a clothing rail and often put things like lolita dresses back on their hangers and hang them up on that to dry.
http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/products/laundry-cleaning-products/drying-racks/frost-drying-rack-in-outdoor-white-art-40244831/

It's much gentler on clothes and doesn't take that long unless you never switch the heating on, I was astonished how fast even normie clothes got worn out when I was in university accommodation and had to use their washer and driers because there was no space to hang clothes. Ended up throwing out and replacing most of my T-shirts at the end of the year.

[Anonymous No.9435560]

>>9435558

[Anonymous No.9435562]

>>9435560

[Anonymous No.9435565]

>>9435562
I think RHS like the previous look really cute with dark florals, they're a way of introducing another non-black element without looking matchy-matchy or out of place.

[Anonymous No.9435566]

>>9435565

[Anonymous No.9435572]

>>9435558
It possibly depends on where you live, but most people I know either have separate tumble-dryers or washer-dryer combo machines.

[Anonymous No.9435574]

>>9435566

>>9435572
Are you in London? Because I've genuinely never met anyone with a drier or washer-drier in their house or flat, I have one elderly relative who has one for convenience and that's it.

[Anonymous No.9435575]

>>9435574

[Anonymous No.9435579]

>>9435575

[Anonymous No.9435581]

>>9435579

[Anonymous No.9435582]

>>9435581

[Anonymous No.9435585]

>>9435582
Lot of variety in legwear in these snaps (lace tights, crochet socks, fishnets) but since OP's dress is a heavy OP I think light tights would look a bit weird with it and lace-topped socks are still the best bet.

[Anonymous No.9435589]

>>9435585

[Anonymous No.9435598]

>>9421295
unrelated, but spotted this in my folder as well: how tacky meta/VISIBLE got worn IRL

[Anonymous No.9435613]

>>9435589

[Anonymous No.9435615]

>>9435585
Sauce on the innocent world dress? Im in love

[Anonymous No.9435629]

>>9435615
The picture's from one of the early G&LBs, I think it's in one of the first 5 or 6. Early-00s. Take a scan through and you should be able to spot it pretty quickly.

This looks like the correct lolibrary entry, although there might be others because I remember seeing a less low-res picture of that collar somewhere:
https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-heart-lace-shirring-op

[Anonymous No.9435632]

>>9435556
>>9435558
Well yeah but she said she didn't have a tumble drier and then she said she throws her clothes in the drier so I thought she has a non-tumble dryer

[Anonymous No.9435634]

>>9435574
Nope, not even in a big city. You can't over-generalize things about the whole country just based on your own eperiences. I have friends from all over the country who have dryers of some kind, combined or separate, but also know that some do do line drying as well where possible, as dryers can be expensive to run. However, on the flip side, if you live in a damp part of the country, not drying things in a dryer can leave your place more prone to damp problems. It depends I think on personal preference and circustances. But enough of this, back to discussing lolita.

[Anonymous No.9435650]

>>9435632
Ah fuck that was me. It was a typo, I meant washer.

>>9435634
Yeah, I just checked and apparently 50% of households have one now? I'm really surprised, nobody I knew growing up had one and I've moved around the north a lot and I've only seen a property with one advertised for rent once. Guessing that families and the elderly are more likely to have one than shitty student flats and my sample size is biased because I mainly know 20somethings.

[Anonymous No.9435657]

>>9435629
Thanks so much, Ill get to scanning!

That definitely does look like the right dress though, but ill look to see if it ever came out another year

[Anonymous No.9435676]

>>9435650
You don't see them avertised as included in a rental properly very often. It's fairly standard that outside of student rental properties rentals don't include white goods, you bring your own in. I've seen a mix of things in student properties. Some had their own washer-dryers, some have communal laundrettes for accommodation complexes/campus halls, it entirely depends. I've experienced both while I was at uni.

[Anonymous No.9435679]

>>9435657
It's possible I've got a false memory of seeing it on lolibrary after seeing it on auctions somewhere, IDK. Googling related keywords in Japanese brings up nothing for it though.

[Anonymous No.9435748]

Thought anons might be interested in this from Antique Beast's blog on their 15th anniversary (22nd June 2015):
http://blog.a-beast.net/?eid=1281560

>当初ロリータファッションのブームは世間的にも自分的にも1~2年位だろうと思っていたので、 まさかこんなに続けられるとは全く想像していませんでした。

>ブームと言うか、既に1ジャンルとして存在しているロリータファッション...日本を飛び出して世界へまでも広がるとは。

Google Translation:
>Originally I thought that the boom of Lolita fashion would be around one to two years both internationally and personally, so I never imagined that it could continue so much.
>It says a boom, lolita fashion already exists as one genre... Jump out of Japan and spread to the world as well.

It's interesting knowing that a designer who's been there since the beginning expected lolita to be a short-lived fad at first, like so many other Harajuku fashions of the time.

[Anonymous No.9435833]

I'm curious about all those older pieces you never ever see on second hand websites or at all. Where are they?
Thrown in the garbage because too old/damaged/...? Forgotten at the back of a japanese woman's closet? In a box in the house of a japanese housewive who keeps them as souvenirs or totally forgot she even had them?

[Anonymous No.9435848]

>>9435833
Closet Child and I believe other second-hand shops as well don't put most of their stock on their physical webshop, and the older, more damaged or cheaper an item is the less likely they'll consider it worth photographing and uploading to the website. They have something ridiculous like 20 stores in Japan, I'd bet the online stock isn't even 10% of what they physically have.

[Anonymous No.9435851]

>>9435833
Those other options you listed are probable though, some of them might also be in the hands of Japanese girls/collectors. I'd imagine that a lot of the girls who went to lives and stuff back then were a lot harder on their clothes than people now and some of them may literally have been tossed as worthless. I've also heard that there are mainstream thrift shops in Japan where you can sometimes find lolita items if they're in the right area.

[Anonymous No.9436444]

>>9435558
Thank you for the dump anon! I really appreciate all the inspo.

[Anonymous No.9436467]

>>9435848
>>9435851
This is the dreamiest thing I've ever read on this board.

[Anonymous No.9436747]

Deformed usakumya.

https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20011203111658/http://www.babyssb.co.jp:80/order/ot/125948.html

[Anonymous No.9436759]

>>9436747
Best Usakumya.
I never knew they sold the original Usakumya with pink ribbons. This might be it, but most of the photos I have of this Usakumya don't have any ribbons at all, so it was probably removable.

[Anonymous No.9436764]

Okay, own up. Which of y'all bitches snapped this 2000/2001 Meta bag up? Hoping it was someone from the west so I at least get to see it worn:

https://item.fril.jp/10bcbf29b055b01eeae6b91cab884d42
http://www.lolitahistory.com/gallery/picture.php?/30/category/2

[Anonymous No.9436765]

>>9436747
This is the cutest omg.

[Anonymous No.9436766]

>>9436759
I'm unsure, I posted because I don't think I've ever seen that stock pic among the other old usakumya pictures I've seen floating around.

wayback machine is being really weird for me though and I can't access the capture's of Baby's site after early 2001, bummed because I need to go just after that to ID a piece. Found this on a 2002 homepage but can't find how to access it again.

[Anonymous No.9436769]

>>9436766
Now I'm a bit unsure too, Lolibrary has a page for Usakumya from 2002 and it doesn't have any ribbons.

https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-usakuma-rucksack-2002

[Anonymous No.9436776]

>>9436769
>https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-usakuma-rucksack-2002
I reverse searched the pic and got this cool post. http://tockandphantasmafloria.blogspot.fi/2015/11/a-brief-history-of-the-kumyas.html

[Anonymous No.9436778]

>>9436766
KERA 29 february 2001

[Anonymous No.9436798]

>>9436776
So 2001 Usakumya had ribbons, was just a stuffed animal, cost 8900 yen, while 2002 Usakumya had no ribbons, was a backpack, and cost 21800 yen. The price difference is interesting.

[Anonymous No.9436800]

Meta homepage Feb 2003
http://web.archive.org/web/20030220054038/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/

[Anonymous No.9436802]

>>9436800
Feb 2003

http://web.archive.org/web/20030220054038/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/

[Anonymous No.9436804]

>>9436802
Meta Homepage Jan 2004
http://web.archive.org/web/20040102042236/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/

[Anonymous No.9436807]

>>9436804
Dec 2003
http://web.archive.org/web/20031205004448/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/

[Anonymous No.9436810]

>>9436807
Oct 2003

http://web.archive.org/web/20031025135714/http://metamorphose.gr.jp:80/

[Anonymous No.9436811]

>>9436810
Oct 2003
http://web.archive.org/web/20031015160632/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/

[Anonymous No.9436816]

>>9436811
oct 2003

http://web.archive.org/web/20031009212243/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/

[Anonymous No.9436820]

>>9436816
I've just realised that all these images are based off a randomiser and not tied to the date or URL, ignore me.

[Anonymous No.9436826]

>>9436820
Just for interest, Meta's original English website. I knew they started shipping internationally earlier than the other brands, but I thought it was 2005, not 2002!

http://web.archive.org/web/20021004001731/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/english/metamorphoseeng.html

[Anonymous No.9436830]

>>9436826
http://web.archive.org/web/20040207095529/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-001.htm

[Anonymous No.9436833]

>>9436830
http://web.archive.org/web/20040207095736/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-002.htm

[Anonymous No.9436835]

>>9436833
http://web.archive.org/web/20040207100011/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-003.htm

[Anonymous No.9436837]

>>9436835
http://web.archive.org/web/20040207100157/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-004.htm

[Anonymous No.9436841]

>>9436837
http://web.archive.org/web/20040207100401/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-005.htm

excellent example of casual lolita too

[Anonymous No.9436846]

I love all those not-so-perfect drawings! it feels so fun and rebelious

[Anonymous No.9436851]

>>9436826
More reasons to add to Meta Is Best Burando, thank you anon. (Meta really is my favorite, esp old school Meta. I love how they've never been afraid to do completely tacky and insane stuff.)

[Anonymous No.9436856]

>>9436841
http://web.archive.org/web/20031209055417/http://metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-006.htm

[Anonymous No.9436858]

>>9436856
I can't read Japanese, but is this a rare example of ero?

>>9436851
Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.9436861]

>>9436858
http://web.archive.org/web/20040220040038/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-008.htm

[Anonymous No.9436863]

>>9436861
I think this is normal vs OTT vs casual but I'm not sure. or maybe lolita vs aristo vs punk?

http://web.archive.org/web/20040220040403/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-009.htm

[Anonymous No.9436865]

>>9436863
http://web.archive.org/web/20040220040528/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-010.htm

[Anonymous No.9436868]

>>9436865
http://web.archive.org/web/20040220040604/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-011.htm

[Anonymous No.9436869]

>>9436868
http://web.archive.org/web/20040220060024/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-012.htm

ouji, also I love the coord on the right

[Anonymous No.9436874]

>>9436869
http://web.archive.org/web/20031210021459/http://metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-013.htm

[Anonymous No.9436875]

>>9436874
http://web.archive.org/web/20031210022305/http://metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-014.htm

[Anonymous No.9436878]

>>9436875
http://web.archive.org/web/20040220060707/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-015.htm

[Anonymous No.9436881]

>>9436878
http://web.archive.org/web/20040207012606/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/illustcoord-016.htm

[Anonymous No.9436885]

>>9436881
I think this is showing the same dress coordinated with bloomers vs coordinated with an underskirt, although it might be summer vs winter or old vs new style, IDK. More proof underskirts existed pre-2010.

[Anonymous No.9436889]

>>9436885
ffs dropped pic, that was the last one though.

[Anonymous No.9436892]

>>9436889
http://web.archive.org/web/20040624073025/http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp:80/coordinate/coord-051.htm

[Anonymous No.9436946]

>>9436858
I don't see the word for ero written anywhere here, I think this is actually showing coords for summer when it's very hot. Above the black-haired girl it says "summer-like cami for [something i can't read b/c handwritten kanji are difficult and my japanese is quite basic] summer".

[Anonymous No.9436951]

>>9436946
Wait to note though, in the bottom text they do describe the first look as "sexy", so I guess you can say the intent is obviously there!

[Anonymous No.9437124]

>>9436889
Shit that's so nostalgic, I used to color those images in Photoshop in high school.

[Anonymous No.9437128]

>>9436951
I don't see 'sexy' in the text, it was just talking about how the main coord is doll like?

[Anonymous No.9437620]

>>9434953
And again, red version:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t462669298

[Anonymous No.9439074]

[Anonymous No.9439075]

>>9439074

[Anonymous No.9439077]

>>9439075

[Anonymous No.9439107]

>>9439074
this ain't oldschool, are you trying to trigger me anon

>>9439077
this would be passable oldschool without the bag

[Anonymous No.9439191]

>>9439107
>>9439107
ugh thank you this is my biggest peeve, when someone gets an "old school" dress but coords it modernly but then still tags/calls it old school.

[Anonymous No.9439199]

>>9439107
>>9439191
What's not old school about it? The shoes? Genuinely asking.

[Anonymous No.9439253]

>>9439199
imo old school is as much about feel as it is about the actual pieces, and like any coord, it is about the sum of its parts. the cutsew cuffs or the wristcuffs (i can't tell which) have a black tulle lace that is fairly modern, and that shade of green gives a more modern impression. not that dark green isn't in any old school coords or pieces ever, but I think when you use a more unique color or accessory like that dark green or the beret, you need to think carefully about the other details to give them context. the hair is also a very modern style, as is the necklace. the beret is cute and there were berets used in old school, usually with blazer/skirt sets, but here adds no feel of oldschool, and along with the shoes and necklace and cutsew color and hairstyle, they all read even more modern together. If they were paired a bit differently, they could probably work better, though not the necklace or shoes, and I'd ditch the cutsew if that lace is on the cuffs.

[Anonymous No.9439264]

>>9439253
anon, there's no green in the coord.

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>>9439265

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>>9439199
>>9439253
Agreed on the feeling. Even if the outfit would have been techically able to exist during a certain era it can lack the feel of it. This outfit however has very few old school elements. Parka or cardigan isn't exactly old school style. Paired with the wig, beret, jewerly, sheer thights and tulle lace it simply looses the feeling of old school. If the cardigan was switched to Baby's bunny hood one, she had headbow instead, the jewerly was removed and thights replaced with thick lace top ones this could be a passable old school coord with similar feel.

[Anonymous No.9439269]

>>9439264
oh sorry maybe my phone screen is fucked, the cutsew looks greenish on it then whoops. disregard that then.

[Anonymous No.9439283]

I still have this red Meta bag from when it was for sale originally. I cannot kill this thing, it is so sturdy! It has carried heavy books for years, and taken it like a champ. You go, little guy.

[Anonymous No.9439285]

Lovely piece by Cornet, I believe.

[Anonymous No.9439287]

I wonder if anyone else even remembers Jack Rabbit.

[Anonymous No.9439288]

One of my dream dresses, but likely to be gone forever.

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>>9439297
This is so lovely!

[Anonymous No.9439308]

It's almost summer here so summer inspiration dumb?

[Anonymous No.9439310]

>>9439308

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>>9439310

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>>9439314

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>>9439316

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>>9439317

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>>9439320

[Anonymous No.9439323]

Maybe you guys can help me. I'm searching for a bordeaux or bordeaux x black old school one piece in which I can fit my 95cm boobs *cries* idc care for the brand, I just search for cool suggestions as I still can't deal with the new layout of lolibrary

[Anonymous No.9439324]

>>9439322

[Anonymous No.9439326]

>>9439324

>>9439323
Maybe check Meta? The best way really is to look yourself, there could be more pieces that we can name in this thread.

[Anonymous No.9439327]

>>9439326

[Anonymous No.9439328]

>>9439327

[Anonymous No.9439330]

>>9439328

[Anonymous No.9439331]

>>9439323
90 boob anon here, shirred meta has plenty of room, sometimes it goes up to 105 cm

[Anonymous No.9439332]

>>9439330

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>>9439332

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>>9439335

[Anonymous No.9439337]

>>9439331
Thank you! I can bind mine down/wear the right bra to get them on 87-90cm but more would be too painful. I hope I can find sth. I'm really desperate for such a dress

[Anonymous No.9439338]

>>9439336

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>>9439338

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>>9439339

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>>9439363

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>>9439365

[Anonymous No.9439369]

>>9439367
Missed lots of nice things because my files have something wrong with them. I try to fix them and post coords later.

[Anonymous No.9439388]

>>9439369
Fever starting to rise so I can just continue this.

[Anonymous No.9439389]

>>9439388

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>>9439389

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>>9439390

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>>9439392

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>>9439393

[Anonymous No.9439398]

>>9439395
Image limit reached. Will dumb the rest in the next thread.

[Anonymous No.9439400]

>>9439253
>>9439264

It looks green because of the background plants give some light

[Anonymous No.9439502]

Anons, help! Is it acceptable/would it look ok to wear white accessories (so socks, headdress etc) with a beige dress or should I try to buy beige socks?

[Anonymous No.9439507]

>>9439502
In my opinion it's fine. I have three beige dresses and one beige blouse and I use off white socks and shoes because atleast shoes are pretty impossible to match to Baby's beige. Works fine. Just try to make it look intentional rather than accidental.

[Anonymous No.9439538]

>>9439502
imo as long as you match the sock's whiteness to something, like your headdress or a detachable collar or blouse under a jsk, then it's fine. just remember to balance. my basic starting rule is like, match at least one thing from each "half" of your body, such as the waist up should have one thing the same shade as white as the socks. (you can get away with not doing it, but if you're unsure i think it's a good place to start.) the only exception imo is shoes, black or white shoes don't always need to be matched depending on the coord.

[Anonymous No.9439542]

>>9439502
Yeah, oldschool often mixes white/beige/cream, it was less of a big deal back then. It probably looks best to make it look deliberate, so don't have just one item be a different shade unless that one item is your dress, use a mix throughout.

4chan always thinks blogspot links are spam but if you Google "Old School Lolita Angelically Sweet" it'll come up with a fyeahlolita post about it.

[Anonymous No.9439548]

>>9439502
Think of it as a black/red/pink/whatever dress instead, and make the white pieces go together despite the colour of the dress and it'll look fine.

[Anonymous No.9439551]

>>9439199
For >>9439074, the shoes are modern tea parties, those sheer striped socks are mainstream trend items that only came in in the past year ago and I'd never seen in my life in the 00s, whether in oldschool or not. The parka is obviously more recent AP as well. The beret, wig and make-up are things that she could have gotten away with if the rest of the coord was on point oldschool, but since it isn't it just cements the styling of that oldschool JSK as not being oldschool at all.

For >>9439077, the dress is noticeably Angelic Pretty's Vintage School JSK, which came out in 2012, so it's not even an oldschool main piece. It's got an appropriate enough design that it could have been worn in an oldschool coord if the other elements were oldschool, but everything but the striped socks is pretty standard for more 00s sweet (bear bag, hot pink bracelets and ring) so in the end it doesn't work as oldschool sweet (to be really nitpicky, the RHS are tied with ribbons, which is also a more recent style that oldschool RHS didn't usually have, and the cardigan looks a bit more modern to me even though cardigans were seen in oldschool).

In both cases, if you'd said the pics were "oldschool-inspired" or oldschool dresses with a modern twist I would have acquiesced, since they're not bad coords, but they're def not oldschool.

[Anonymous No.9439602]

>>9439392
>>9439395
These look great! I wish I could find a lacey handbag like in the second one.

[Anonymous No.9439718]

>>9439602
That lacey handbag, I googled because it says "ケレアーズ", (Kureaazu)and I realized I think it's literally Claire's, as in the US store where I'd buy my plush scented NATURAL PRINCESS metallic doorknob hangers and beaded curtains in the early 2000s lmao.

[Anonymous No.9439722]

>>9439718
Oh man, I misread and thought it was Baby and I at least had a chance on auctions. Now I'll never find it.

[Anonymous No.9439809]

>>9426319
>>9426427

Oh! I literally just won this dress in mint last night on auction for ¥1000!

Its horribly wrinkled, but stoked I got it so cheap so hopefully it can be revived.

[Anonymous No.9439827]

>>9439602
I feel like it wouldn't be that hard to DIY if you could get the frame.

[Anonymous No.9441029]

For the anon who was asking about lightweight oldschool clothes for summer, keep an eye out for Baby's Tiered JSK. I just won a listing for it in sax, and I already own another colourway. Lolibrary says it has a polyester lining, and while I can't speak for the 2010 release (distinguishable from having rose lace instead of daisy lace on the bodice), the 2002 version definitely isn't lined. It's comfy, nice and cool, not see-through, and even looks good without a petti (YMMV on the 2010 release since I think that has more material in the skirt).

https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-tiered-jsk-2002
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-tiered-jsk-2010

[Anonymous No.9441645]

strawberry dolly op in black is up on CC right now
>http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/product/115059

[Anonymous No.9441660]

>>9441645
Moitie heels too:
http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/product/126356

[Anonymous No.9441888]

>>9441660
Does someone know if moitie also has an LL size for shoes?

Also
>wtf 79$ for those shoes???
I'd pay 15$ at best. That's plastic for gods sake and it's so walked off not even shoe cream could save this desaster.

[Anonymous No.9442788]

I've seen cherry-embroidered straw bags in oldschool before but I've had no luck finding brand ones second-hand. Do you gulls think this might work if I added some lace? The modern metal clasp makes me think maybe no.

https://www.collectif.co.uk/accessories-c5/cherry-straw-shoulder-bag-p3258

[Anonymous No.9442821]

>>9442788
They had metal in 2002.
I think it's all right, I have the same bag. Don't buy it from there though, you can get it for $9-10 on aliexpress.

[Anonymous No.9443932]

What would you consider a dress from the early 2000's that's from a brand but does not have the look of what we now consider old school? I have the following dress is from 2002 so it was made during the old school period but it's made with chiffon. The cut is also more modern. Would it be considered classic old school?
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-chiffon-doll-op

[Anonymous No.9443935]

>>9443932
Absolutely. It doesn't look too modern imo, plus it's gorgeous!

[Anonymous No.9443997]

>>9443932
Yes - if it's from that era, it's oldschool!

[Anonymous No.9444213]

>>9441029
Thank you so much anon!I hope it would fit me in the waist, I mean the old version.

[Anonymous No.9444406]

>>9443932
Yep, the true devil is gonna be in the details, like hair styling, accessories etc. This VM jsk here is also quite timeless as a design, it's the hair that tells you what time in lolita this is from imo: http://www.lolitahistory.com/gallery/picture.php?/9532/category/36

[Anonymous No.9444814]

>>9434237
>>9434246
The dress arrived today and I checked the tags, it's Innocent World. Thanks for all the amazing advice!!

[Anonymous No.9445118]

>>9444213
It's pretty generously-sized for an unshirred oldschool piece IMO. A lot of oldschool is tight on me at 67cm waist and 89cm bust this is actually kinda loose, especially on the waist (even though non-detachable waist ties kind of bother me, I wouldn't be able to wear it without waist ties). Both listings I bought for it were sold pettiless so I'll post some pic collages once we get a new thread that isn't at image limit.

[Anonymous No.9445489]

>>9445118
That is great, my waist is 71 cm and I struggle to find old school items that would fit, I love when jsks are a bit loose on the waist, thank you anon again for the precious info!