ITT: Lolita coords with gothic makeup and/or hair

[Anonymous No.9238607]

You ever see a coord and suspect the lolita is a goth outside of lolita because of how she does her face and hair? No matter how sweet she dresses, you know she'd rather be swaying madly to Siouxsie or stomping her heels off to Combichrist? The comm member who looks like a vampire in gothic even when she's not dressing for a convention or Halloween meetup?

Post looks that, no matter the coord, have that Western goth, "I can't wait for my yearly pilgrimage to WGT" kind of face. Even or especially if the coord is NOT gothic.

[Anonymous No.9238610]

>>9238607

[Anonymous No.9238612]

>>9238607
>leaving in your facial piercings while wearing Lolita

garbage

[Anonymous No.9238613]

>>9238610

[Anonymous No.9238614]

>>9238610
This isn't even Lolita.

[Anonymous No.9238615]

>>9238613

[Anonymous No.9238617]

>>9238615

>>9238612
The thing is, goths expect/enjoy soliciting that reaction.

>>9238614
It is commonly posted to punk lolita threads

[Anonymous No.9238621]

>>9238617
>visible tattoos
She has inhaled clove cigarette smoke, at the very least second-hand.

[Anonymous No.9238623]

>>9238621

[Anonymous No.9238626]

>>9238617
Punk Lolita isn't actual Lolita, it's just frilly punk.

Also, didn't know goths actively enjoyed people insulting them. Good to know you enjoy it when I say you are trashy.

[Anonymous No.9238629]

>>9238623

[Anonymous No.9238632]

>>9238629

[Anonymous No.9238633]

>>9238632
Baby faced goths take note from pic related's skills

[Anonymous No.9238637]

>>9238633

>>9238626
I think non-gothgoth lolitas can learn a thing or two about resilience from goths. Lolitas seem more afraid of public disapproval and talk about how to manage their image when encountering normies, especially when the name of the fashion comes up because of the negative connotations. Goths react to the negative connotations of their lifestyle, the trashy-devil-worshipping-school-shooter assumptions of the public, a lot differently.

[Anonymous No.9238639]

>>9238637

[Anonymous No.9238640]

>>9238639

[Anonymous No.9238641]

>>9238637
I've been a sweet Lolita for many a year and I've never really cared what people think, but it's trashy to have a face full of metal in Lolita.

gothic Lolita is beautiful and you're just ruining it by looking like a goddamn $5 whore.

[Anonymous No.9238642]

>>9238640
>blunt bangs
>pencil-thin brows

She does not drink...wine.

[Anonymous No.9238646]

>>9238642

[Anonymous No.9238649]

>>9238646

>>9238641
Well that's just like your opinion man

[Anonymous No.9238650]

>>9238646
I'll give her this, she must be very confident to have THAT nose and get it pierced.

One would think she'd want to draw attention away from it.

[Anonymous No.9238651]

>>9238649

[Anonymous No.9238652]

>>9238651

[Anonymous No.9238653]

>>9238652

[Anonymous No.9238654]

>>9238653

[Anonymous No.9238655]

>>9238654
i fucking love this coord and forgot saving it

[Anonymous No.9238656]

>>9238655
Well, not as nice as the thumbnail showed but props for looking goth as fuck without black.

[Anonymous No.9238658]

>>9238656

[Anonymous No.9238662]

>>9238658
ending for now with someone who has probably spent at least an hour arguing that while Marilyn Manson's music is fun, it is essentially pop music, not goth.

[Anonymous No.9238676]

>>9238641
>gothic Lolita is beautiful and you're just ruining it by looking like a goddamn $5 whore.
Which is a funny thing to say considering that Goth Loli evolved out of VK.

[Anonymous No.9238677]

>>9238676
>Goth Loli
>Loli

Newfag pls go

[Anonymous No.9238679]

>>9238677
>not knowing that it's called Goth Loli in Japan
>calling someone newfag
Oh you.

[Anonymous No.9238680]

>>9238677
>using the newfag excuse
You are free to go

[Anonymous No.9238683]

>>9238679
>not knowing it's frowned upon to call it loli in the west
>using the "lol but japan does it!" excuse

Fucking newfag AND a weeb.

>>9238680
Spotted the newfag.

[Anonymous No.9238691]

It just isn't a goth thread without bickering over terminology

[Anonymous No.9238692]

>>9238683
I'm chinese but sorry that I don't know what happens in your little circlejerk.

[Anonymous No.9238702]

>>9238692
#triggered

also

>Chinese
>comes to a website that's based on a Japanese image board and to the board about Japanese fashion


Are you a masochist?

[Anonymous No.9238716]

>>9238626
>Punk Lolita isn't actual Lolita, it's just frilly punk
Oh I forgot you started lolita and that you make up the rules for the fashion.

[Anonymous No.9238719]

>>9238716
#triggered

[Anonymous No.9238720]

>needing to troll image dump threads
>HURR STOP USING THE BOARD FOR WHAT ITS FOR ITS FOR SHITPOSTING HURR GOTHS

OP, I want to contribute to counteract the troll but I just realized I'm not entirely sure what gothic makeup is as opposed to lolita gothic makeup...

[Anonymous No.9238724]

Why are all cgl trolls the same? Why do they just say the same shit over and over again? is it a bot maybe?

[Anonymous No.9238725]

>>9238702
You shouldn't have Weibo threads then.

[Anonymous No.9238728]

>TRIGGERED NEWFAG TRIGGERED NEWFAG
it's like a parrot or something.

[Anonymous No.9238729]

>>9238702
Yet half of the stuff posted on this board features clothes from Taobao and chinese ebay sellers, try again.

[Anonymous No.9238730]

>>9238720
>>9238728


#triggered

[Anonymous No.9238733]

>>9238729
This. Taobao hate and "ew she's wearing something cheap" is like the weirdest thing posted to this board as of late. Like do we have ebay, taobao and ali threads for no reason? It's gotta just be stupid trolling efforts...

[Anonymous No.9238738]

OP, this is a lovely thread idea, I love your descriptions and what you posted, I've been chuckling to myself.
I don't really have much to contribute except for this potato-quality picture of the Lady of the Manners, whom, probably whilst not trying to dress Lolita as in "prim-and-proper-within-the-rules", nails it.

[Anonymous No.9238771]

>>9238615
wtc these tights tho

[Anonymous No.9238777]

>>9238771
>wtc
what up /fa/

you can find similar ones on ebay. I've seen the black version several times. Not sure about white though.

[Anonymous No.9238833]

>>9238720
the left could be gothic (Western) makeup, but the right looks too clean, fresh, not "alternative." i am unsure how to explain.

from what is shown here >>9238728, this also looks more like lolita makeup (gothic lolita sure) than Western makeup that grew out of goth scene/music festival/club trends.

the hair is also key, like >>9238738's real hair in an alternative style. in pic related, the tiny bangs help give the "I shit bats" impression.

i can't really explain it well though, and ultimately it is subjective. especially when the lolita emulates a visual kei look, which has plenty of potential for crossover with western goth beauty styles. if someone could succinctly describe the distinguishing features of Western gothic, Visual kei gothc, and the softer/cleaner Gothic lolita makeup styles, i would sacrifice an ita to Mana and a mallgoth to Siouxsie to ask for blessings upon that anon.

[Anonymous No.9238837]

>>9238833
other elements often (not always, don't even start ya trolls) present in Western Gothic makeup are sharp lines, angular contour, tiny or nonexistent or whack-ass eyebrows, and a mature or subversive vibe.

Black Friday used to be into lolita, and she incorporated the youthful, round-eyed look into her style, but ultimately favors the unnatural and even spooky look to the soft, not-too-unnatural, girlish gothic lolita style. she's somewhere in the middle of East versus West while also being OTT.

[Anonymous No.9238843]

>>9238837
and then pic related is just straight up "pour me a glass of absinthe and shine my nine inch platform boots, peasant" even with pink hair and sweet motifs.

[Anonymous No.9238853]

>>9238843
and then there is Triple Fortune, whose visual kei designers consider the brand to be gothic. they are infamously picky about how their models look. pic related shows a good general "gothic lolita" style of makeup, totally distinct from visual kei. but still bolder than regular lolita makeup.

[Anonymous No.9238858]

>>9238853
here is a better example of "gothic lolita makeup," note how different this Moitie model looks compared to more visual-kei-inspired Moitie lolitas.

[Anonymous No.9238860]

>>9238858
here is visual-kei-influenced Moitie lolita

[Anonymous No.9238864]

>>9238860
***aristocrat

fuck these thumbnails.

and finally, here is a Moitie coord whose wearer looks like she's more of a Bauhaus than a Gazette type of woman

[Anonymous No.9238884]

>>9238843
Oh man, Stella Rose. I remember when she used to post on EGL and people sort of rejected her for having a different approach to the style. I think she still wears lolita sometimes these days, or at least I hope she does; unusual though it is, I like her take on it.

[Anonymous No.9238908]

>>9238777
I only visit cgl and toy, lol. wtc is shorter than having to type sauce/source

[Anonymous No.9238913]

Bonus points for Sweet Lolita?
She's actually a goth/punk irl.

[Anonymous No.9238916]

>>9238913
This really doesn't work. The coord itself, I mean. The bow sits weirdly on her head and neither the cutsew nor the skirt seem to fit well.

[Anonymous No.9238942]

>>9238640
This doesn't read as goth make-up to me this time, more current normie make-up trends.

>>9238637
To be fair, I think being accused of encouraging paedophilia and liking ageplay is pretty much literally the worst thing to be accused of. Satanic panic is easier to laugh at because it's mostly silly and unfounded in reality, but paedophilia is real and incredibly damaging. I do both goth and lolita and the negative assumptions I get made about me in goth are much easier to not give a shit about.

[Anonymous No.9238947]

>>9238662
I love this make-up look.

[Anonymous No.9238948]

>>9238947

More gothic-looking make-up is easy to find in oldschool, but for some GLB pics it's impossible to distinguish whether it's being consciously gothic or whether the model just has thin brows and a dark lip because that was on-trend in Japan in the late 90s and early 00s.

[Anonymous No.9238951]

>>9238948
Can't tell in thumbnail if this is goth or just a strong brow and pale filter.

[Anonymous No.9238953]

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[Anonymous No.9238964]

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[Anonymous No.9238967]

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[Anonymous No.9238969]

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[Anonymous No.9238973]

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[Anonymous No.9238975]

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[Anonymous No.9238984]

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[Anonymous No.9238986]

My everyday hair and makeup is pretty trad goth, but when I wear lolita I usually tone it way down. Some of the examples in this thread make me want to incorporate more western goth elements into my lolita style.

>>9238942
That's a pretty good point. Lolita also seems to attract really delicate/insecure people who are easily intimidated when they get stared at in public. Most of the goths I know don't give a flying fuck about what the public thinks.

[Anonymous No.9238989]

>>9238984

[Anonymous No.9238994]

[Anonymous No.9238995]

[Anonymous No.9238997]

It's easier to find lolita inspired outfits and victorian goths then what you are looking for.

[Anonymous No.9238999]

[Anonymous No.9239002]

The makeup is pretty extreme in this outfit.

[Anonymous No.9239003]

[Anonymous No.9239008]

Cyber goth. So not lolita though.

I don't think I can help you anon.

[Anonymous No.9239009]

[Anonymous No.9239010]

[Anonymous No.9239011]

>>9238986
Goth is really well-known these days, though. I can't imagine a teacher getting fired over wearing goth on their days off, and if they had an incredibly stupid or prejudiced principal they could easily get it overturned. I want to train as an elementary school teacher and I genuinely fear some idiot telling my supervisor or whatever that I wear "adult baby fetish clothes and they're called lolita, you know, like the book". If it was goth, they could google it and see that goth is an incredibly popular and well-known subculture that doesn't equal satanism which doesn't equal sacrificing babies or whatever. Lolita has had so much dodgy reporting and so much stuff based on the other lolita comes up when you search it that I can imagine someone in power refusing to believe that it wasn't a fetish and nobody else knowing enough about it to challenge their decision.

[Anonymous No.9239012]

[Anonymous No.9239018]

[Anonymous No.9239022]

>>9239011
There's also a huge difference in the gothic fashion in America versus Europe.

America is way more toned down.

[Anonymous No.9239026]

Cyber goth isn't really popular in America.

I think Victorian and Steampunk fashion have a bigger following and there's a couple cities that actually have gothic clubs. Sage for off topic, I have nothing more to add to the thread.

[Anonymous No.9239053]

>>9238612
no one cares buddy

[Anonymous No.9239079]

>>9239026
I thought cybergoth was just less popular nowadays in general? I get the impression that even in Germany it's rare, and the UK seems to have preserved some cyber, raver shit but not cyberGOTH specifically.

The fact that you mentioned only a couple of cities actually have gothic clubs prompted me to search for them outside London here. Oh man is everyone in the club photos of goth nights old. Kind of sad that it's a dying subculture.

[Anonymous No.9239081]

>>9239079
I think it's always been rare, but always almost nonexistent in the U.S.

[Anonymous No.9239082]

I hope this is the kind of thing OP is looking for (red lips, black hair in severe cut, pale skin, and "regular" lolita coord)

>>9238637
Same. A number of my older lolita friends were originally Goths and they still actively wear gothic fashions, have a gothic lifestyle, and attend Goth nights/clubs, whereas there's a trend of people being burnt out in the lolita community. People I used to look up to 5 years ago or even less than that sold their frills and pursued more normie interests.

[Anonymous No.9239083]

I usually think of cyber as goth?

Oh, yeah. Ha, ha. There's a couple.

[Anonymous No.9239086]

>>9239079
I always thought of cyber as goth fashion. It's appropriate to wear to a club.

Yeah, there's a couple in the big cities. Skinny Puppy actually came about an hour away from my town maybe a year ago. Sadly I missed the chance to see them live.

[Anonymous No.9239100]

>>9239079
I wish goth's ageing demographic wasn't such a vicious cycle. Once newer goth become old enough to go to goth clubs, they attend a couple of events, realise they're the youngest person in the room, and stop going. The fact nobody stays for long means that there's never more than a few younger goths in the room at events, meaning none of the people who turn up to try it consider it worth keeping going. There's not much either group can do in this scenario as most people are going to want to hang out with people of a similar age and interests regardless, so it's not just a case of different age groups having to learn to tolerate each other.

People get into the fashion as younger teens and the community is as hostile as usual towards babybats (usually within reason). They get older and enter the scene fully, then realise that the goth community at large still considers them young and annoying. By that point, the rest of society thinks goth is a juvenile phase they really should have gotten over by now, they find no community, and everyone who isn't super fucking dedicated will just quit. In contrast, even though gothic lolita is the least popular of the major substyles, the fact lolita in general has such a large community of people with like-minded interests keeps me sticking around.

I feel like being a lone goth is becoming less easy now that society as a whole is becoming more free in fashion and youth subcultures in general are less of a thing. When I was younger I used to see goth women all the time, going about their lives, and who I could aspire to be like. I see less and less goths in the wild these days, and have only seen two goths in the past two years who weren't tweens or middle-aged.

[Anonymous No.9239104]

>>9239100
There actually use to be a club in my old town ran by a goth couple. They were really nice to all the younger goths and since the club was technically a restaurant, they let those under 18 in until 11. The club featured a 'goth night' in which they played industrial, EBM, and even bands like The Cure. They eventually went out of the business. The building is still for sale.

I'd say everyone is around but scattered all over the place.

[Anonymous No.9239106]

>>9239100
To elaborate on that last point, since it seems weird that society could become more accepting but goths less accepted, I feel like goth is more and more accepted but full-time goth is moreso seen as an immature phase people grow out of? Whereas previously it's people who couldn't stick to one style fulltime that were seen as immature.

I'm not sure if the increased popularity of gothic aesthetics in mainstream fashion helps or makes things worse. One of the things I used to like about gothic lolita was that it's accepted that you might wear lolita one day and other fashions the next, whereas a lot of the goth community a few years ago was very fixed on the idea of "poseurs". There was this pressure to be a goth all the time and really adopt a lifestyle so you weren't just "seeing it as a trend", even though goth never became a mainstream trend at the time. Nowadays the mainstream genuinely IS into gothish aesthetics as a trend, so you can wear a (not Victorian) gothic outfit one day and trendy stuff the next day and people won't bat an eyelid, but if you wore gothic clothes 24/7 people would think that was weird. I feel like the fact the aesthetic is seen as a disposable trend makes people less accepting of goth as something you would want to wear every day, as they think that a "mature" person should have no problem only wearing stuff sometimes, whereas ten or fifteen years ago people couldn't imagine that a goth would only wear goth sometimes. But I guess that's mostly normies conflating "90s witch" aesthetics or whatever with goths and then expecting you to behave like people who would dabble in aesthetics like that.

It's very late and I might be talking out of my arse or making points that only apply to my specific social circle, but I get the impression that this is the way it's going.

[Anonymous No.9239113]

>>9239106
I live in Appalachia. My experience is likely completely different than what you experience with the subculture.

I've actually noticed more people compliment aspects of my outfits as the popularity in mainstream fashion has increased. Middle age women, old ladies, fruity old men, and even kids. I had the cutest 6 year old (You know, cute kid clothes) stare at me during the checkout line for the longest time before exclaiming, I like your outfit! Check out my doll!' She had one of those Monster High Dolls. I told her she should check out the books the dolls and show are based off of.

I think the main thing that perplexes people when the style is worn 24/7 is, 'How the hell do you make a living?'

[Anonymous No.9239142]

To add to the pointless nostalgia blogposting in this thread (this pic is relevant at least), I just really fucking miss when goth was a thing and you saw goths regularly in the wild.

I used to hope lolita would become like that but with the way things are more and more centred around meetups and events less around everyday (not criticizing the new aesthetics, just noticing the trends), I don't think lolita is ever going to be something you often see girls just walking around in, even if it becomes significantly more popular.

I just want the excitement of seeing alt people walking around, looking cool and doing their own thing, but I rarely see it any more. It feels like part of the cultural landscape is being lost.

[Anonymous No.9239191]

[Anonymous No.9239192]

>>9239191

[Anonymous No.9239219]

good conversation ITT but i'm recovering from goth club drinking atm so rather than conribute to discussion here is my continued dump of lolitas with faces and/or hair that screams TO ME EVERY DAY IS HALLOWEEN, I'VE GIVEN UP HIDING AND STARTED TO FIGHT

[Anonymous No.9239220]

>>9239100
This is so true.
I've been goth for a decade but always a lone goth.

At the moment I'm too busy with work to go clubbing but when I have been I have to put up with either 1. A goth/ebm/industrial room in a rock club that actually plays a lot of non goth stuff too (and even rock clubs are getting rarer in my city) 2. The 'indie' room at a mainstream club because they will probably play joy division, the cure and the smiths at some point but the room will be full of drunk gropey student dudes or 3. A monthly goth night where everyone is 15-20 years older than me and in order to be able to enjoy the music I have to put up with women exclaiming about how young I am 'like my daughter' who is usually about 10.

The goth blogging community really helps keep me in the subculture. My only alt friends locally though are lolitas - so I focus more energy on lolita than goth these days. Not sure that's surprising though when I'm already happy with my record collection, my corporate goth wardrobe and my casual clothes but am still building my lolita wardrobe.

[Anonymous No.9239222]

>>9239219
another aristocrat whose face communicates so much Anne Rice consumption

[Anonymous No.9239225]

>>9239222
oh i did not even notice the billion Reznors on the wall, kek

>pic is actual WGT in the GLB dawg

[Anonymous No.9239226]

>>9239225
and an ouji cause wn

[Anonymous No.9239228]

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[Anonymous No.9239231]

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[Anonymous No.9239235]

>>9239231
Pic related's commitment to tattoos and blunt bangs inspires me, not because I like or would have those things, but because of her persistent consistency and integrity of style

[Anonymous No.9239237]

>>9239235
>wondering if it's safe to do a post-choke-and-move-the-fuck-on

[Anonymous No.9239239]

>>9239237

[Anonymous No.9239242]

>>9239239
take a

[Anonymous No.9239246]

>>9239113
I feel like work uniforms are an exception for goth - I work in nursing, so I wear the requisite uniform.

[Anonymous No.9239249]

>>9239242
sorry, meant to erase that thought.

[Anonymous No.9239256]

>>9239249

[Anonymous No.9239259]

>>9239256

[Anonymous No.9239260]

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[Anonymous No.9239262]

>>9238662
this is the shit of my dreams. I need more heavy western goth lolita in my life

[Anonymous No.9239263]

>>9239260

[Anonymous No.9239264]

>>9239263

>>9239262
it needs you

[Anonymous No.9239266]

>>9239264

[Anonymous No.9239272]

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[Anonymous No.9239274]

>>9238617
The thing is piercings look fugly, gg re

[Anonymous No.9239276]

>>9239220
At the moment I'm kind of happy because my city's getting collectives (of mostly students) doing things like non-cheesy 80s music nights or edgy art student dark nights where loads of goth stuff gets played. There are DJs playing really great selections of tracks and even though it's a young crowd of art students who like a e s t h e t i c s, at least everyone seems to enjoy the music and most people are creatively dressed even if they're not goth goth. In the city I live in student nights that don't play cheese have much more respectful guys and safe atmosphere than non-student clubs, so I don't get the groping problem. Both cities I've lived in have had ~2 goth nights a month, but last time I went to one there were only two other person in the room under 25 and most of the room looked to be in their late 30s to mid-50s. Because goth nights cater to a broad crowd the music was actually less cohesive and appealing to me than at some not explicitly goth events, since they have to try to please everybody. There is one shitty rock club that doesn't play goth, and not much else.

Where is this blogging community? Tumblr? I never found that many goths on there but it might just be that, aside from a handful of efamous girls, most people don't post outfit shots which is what I'm really interested in. I know a couple of goths with blogs but most of the blogs I know from Blogspot/Livejournal are dead.

[Anonymous No.9239284]

>>9239276
That sounds like a great scene to me- I'd rather have the good music and the art would be a bonus for me!
Student nights are always gropey where I live- if my non goth friends want to go out I insist we go to a guy club for that reason. Good thing I secretly love 90s cheesy club tunes too!

Most of the goth blogs I read are on blogspot. Coffin kitsch is great for outfits, GIY (goth it yourself) for home decor, the everyday goth. Sadly lots of my old favourites are becoming less active or closing their blogs e.g. sophistique noir, corpgoth, curious professor z.

[Anonymous No.9239286]

>>9239284
The goth night scene is a waste of time because the events usually only have about 30-40 people, as well as the age demographic issues. But I'm super excited about the burgeoning popularity of dark edgy music thanks to hipsters hopping on trends, we had nothing like this last year but we've had several events in the past few months. I never actually see goths here outside of events though, which is why I feel like the scene is dead.

[Anonymous No.9239301]

>>9239142
>I just want the excitement of seeing alt people walking around, looking cool and doing their own thing
I really, really feel this. It's one of the things that motivate me to continue wearing lolita daily, actually. Sure I enjoy wearing it for other reasons too but I feel like if I don't see people wearing alternative fashion "in the wild" on a regular basis, I'm going to be that person myself, you know what I mean?

[Anonymous No.9239652]

>>9239284
*gay club lol - damn autocorrect on my phone.

[Anonymous No.9239767]

>>9239301
>I feel like if I don't see people wearing alternative fashion "in the wild" on a regular basis, I'm going to be that person myself, you know what I mean?
this exactly.

[Anonymous No.9239769]

>>9238637
Those are mainly conlita's or part-time lolita's who worry a lot about what normies think because they are basically normies.

[Anonymous No.9239975]

>>9238864
Where can I get some socks like this? I've tried Taobao and the like.

[Anonymous No.9239991]

>>9239975
a time machine

;_;

[Anonymous No.9239995]

>>9238612
Eh, it can depend on the person

[Anonymous No.9240015]

>>9239975
They look like Meta, but I don't think they have them in stock right now.

I just want moitie to re-release their OTKs. For a company that's in a financially rocky position it's disappointing how they aren't trying to make quick cash by re-releasing popular items or selling more basics.

[Anonymous No.9240252]

>>9239975
>>9240015
Meta has two varieties of knee high socks at the moment, their OTKs are very popular so I imagine they'll restock them at some point.
There's a pair with tulle lace or raschel lace like the one pictured, and both varieties are available in black.

[Anonymous No.9240276]

>>9238612
>>9238607
Iirc this was a stock photo. It was a cute indie shop called Rabbit Heart Shop but she stopped making skirts and moved on to shitty steampunk garters.

[Anonymous No.9240889]

>>9240252
I came back to this thread expecting to be made fun of and found sympathy and answers. Thank you.
>>9240015
That would make too much sense!

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[Anonymous No.9241089]

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[Anonymous No.9243654]

>>9239100

This really hits home for me. I was always interested in things on the "darker" side but only somewhat recently made the effort to really try to immerse myself in the culture. I listen to a bunch of the classics and love them, and whatever else I find on youtube mostly. I don't dress full-time, and I don't really have the expendable income to spend on super lavish outfits, but I'll try to cobble together black clothes, cheap but appropriate jewelry, and do my eyes up. I'm honestly dying for someone to be goth with, preferably someone who's already been in the scene for a while so I can learn from them and graduate from being a babybat, but I know no one. There's no scene here that I am aware of, all of my friends don't care about or like my music, no events nearby I can attend... I don't give up on it because I genuinely like it, but I guess hardcores might call me a poser for not dressing up in the fashion 100% of the time. It really sucks. On the bright side, Peter Murphy is playing an hour away next month and I might be able to persuade my boyfriend to take me... that might be a good opportunity to finally participate in the scene for once. Or I could stick out like a sore thumb and end up disappointed/talk to no one/worst case scenario be ridiculed. My self esteem isn't incredibly low and I wouldn't let myself be pushed around but it'd still hurt if I was rejected in the end by elitists.

[Anonymous No.9243686]

>>9243654
nice blogpost

[Anonymous No.9243892]

>>9243654
>I guess hardcores might call me a poser for not dressing up in the fashion 100% of the time
most reasonable goths do not care about this. save up for festivals and general travel to big city goth events if you can, anon. you will find your people soon.

[Anonymous No.9244413]

>>9238623
What kind of fabric is that skirt made of?

[Anonymous No.9244418]

>>9243654
Don't care so much about what other people think. Concertgoers are there for the music, not to make fun of random strangers.

[Anonymous No.9246518]

I'm not sure if this question relates to the thread, but as I'm building my gothic wardrobe I noticed have an extreme abundance of black velvet things. Dresses, shirts, skirts, scarves, gloves, jackets. Is there such thing as too much velvet? Should I not wear more than one velvet piece at a time?

[Anonymous No.9246655]

>>9246518
There never can be too much velvet.

[Anonymous No.9246917]

>>9246518
I try to avoid having two velvet pieces touching each other unless they can do it in such a way that they'll look like a continuous piece (like, I might wear a velvet dress and velvet shoes, or a velvet skirt and velvet top of the same colour and material together, but I wouldn't wear a chiffon top with a velvet skirt and velvet leggings), but it might just be my lolita matchiness showing.

[Anonymous No.9246947]

>>9239011
I'm in education, and this is a genuine concern of mine... I've mostly been sticking to otome and wearing lolita at cons (so I can claim its a costume, just in case). I hate that lolita is called lolita so much. It causes so many unnecessary problems for everyone.

[Anonymous No.9247546]

>>9246917
>>9246655
Thank you for the advice, friends. I'll keep it in mind.

[Anonymous No.9247551]

>>9246947
If it's a problem, remind them that the book Lolita gets it's name from the main character.

The name was only chosen because Lolita is the diminutive form of Dolores. Lolita/Dolores means 'pain/suffering'.

The book is saying the girl is suffering due to a pedophiliac relationship.

Truth be told, it's only recently that 'lolita' was associated with 'pedophilia'. People were naming their kids 'Lolita' long after the book came out.

[Anonymous No.9247557]

In fact the name itself is one of many Spanish titles for the Virgin Mary. It's origin is with the Virgin Mary, not a fucking book.

[Anonymous No.9251183]

These pics are great, but does anyone have anyone tips/guidelines for achieving this kind of look? What kind of makeup should I be going for if I want to achieve this look?

[Anonymous No.9251186]

>>9238621
... you can smoke cloves?

[Anonymous No.9251332]

>>9247551
>>9247557
I have come to conclusion that the name origins in the book. However, I don't think it was originally chosen by lolitas. Some western sources I have read states that the meaning of lolita is a bit different in a Japan: a girl that's selfish, like people are generally in the age of Lolita. And lolitas are selfish, they only dress for their own sake and spend money on expensive clothes just to please themselves. Perhaps media tried to mock them for selfishness and appearing as non-sexual like a child would. I don't know but the Virgin Mary thing just seems so distant.

[Anonymous No.9251354]

>>9251332
>the Virgin Mary thing just seems so distant
Because it relates more to the name Dolores than Lolita. Her title in Spanish is María de los Dolores, or "Mary of Sorrows".

[Anonymous No.9251400]

>>9251186
clove cigarettes are black and have a distinct smell because there is, indeed, shredded cloves along with the tobacco.

>>9251183
check out gothic beauty tutorials on YouTube?

[Anonymous No.9251433]

>>9251183
there are some tips upthread. blunt, black bangs and thin arched brows like pic related are one way to let your inner goth shine out even in sweet

[Anonymous No.9251434]

>>9251433
>tfw love goth makeup and hair but hate the brows with a passion
I will forever be loyal to my bushy natural brows.

[Anonymous No.9251460]

>>9251434
Same! I can't stand super skinny overly arched brows.

[Anonymous No.9251703]

>>9238738
JILLIAN <3 ngl Gothic Charm School prepared me so much regarding my response to others' reactions in both my normal clothes and in Lolita.

[Anonymous No.9251706]

>>9239011
honestly I can't count the amount of times I've had interviews which have gone really well and I'm well presented (all piercings out, normal office clothes, etc.), only to lose the post to inexperienced people, sometimes with known criminal records, due to how I look outside of a working environment. Small towns suck lad.

[Anonymous No.9251708]

>>9251332
Misako lists the film Lolita in the reference section in the back of her style book on Lolita.

[Anonymous No.9251713]

>>9251434
a large trend in Goth fashion recently was towards more natural, albeit heavily arched, brows. That 'HD brow/instagram brow' shit really works for Gothic makeup! I grow my eyebrows back every summer and let them shine in all their gloriously thick beauty.

[Anonymous No.9257217]

>>9238837
does anyone have blackfridays old outfits saved? i love her so much but have never seen her in lolita!

[Anonymous No.9257220]

>>9238913
selfpost

[Anonymous No.9257224]

>>9257217
not sure if any pics exist. it also would have been long enough ago that the quality may be lower than we might expect now.

[Anonymous No.9257245]

>>9238913
this is so bad

[Anonymous No.9258004]

>>9257224
Her blog has one photo from 2012 but its not much of a lolita outfit and more steampunk ish

[Anonymous No.9258438]

>>9258004
searched her blog and did not find it. posts jump from 2009 to 2014. did you save it by chance?

[Anonymous No.9258451]

>>9258438
this is the only non video post on her blog tagged lolita

[Anonymous No.9258471]

>>9258451
it has a neo-victorian vibe, but not necessarily steampunk. i can see the lolita influence but it seems closer to neo-victorian gothic. the skirt with its double ruffle might be lolita, though; that is not a feature i see outside of lolita brands/knockoffs.

[Anonymous No.9259348]

>>9258471
she tagged it as all of those so

[Anonymous No.9259417]

>>9259348
i can tag your mom lolita but it would not make it so

[Anonymous No.9259419]

>>9259417
#rekt
#savage
#cremated
#annihilated

[Anonymous No.9259493]

>>9238995
This dress is fucking awesome

[Anonymous No.9259532]

>>9238653
This is flawless, she looks like an elegant bjd. Who is she?

[Anonymous No.9259546]

>>9238724
Lol "suspect." She's the queen of all goth and never even tried to hide it

[Anonymous No.9259816]

>>9243686
No need to be a dick.
She was just replying with her thoughts

[Anonymous No.9259875]

>>9259532
She's Kei Lavonne on Facebook, I love her military lolita when she wears it.

[Anonymous No.9259946]

she is my goth queen!

[Anonymous No.9259947]

>>9238637
source of this dress? it's really awesome!

[Anonymous No.9260882]

Some lolita or goth girl want to contact me for a weekly email? [e-mail]

[Anonymous No.9260886]

>>9251332
Lolita is what you would call a young girl or young woman named Dolores at that time.

I'm just saying I could see how people could choose the name, even if from the book, and not relate it directly to pedophilia.

[Anonymous No.9260915]

>>9260882
what

[Anonymous No.9260938]

>>9260882
wat

[Anonymous No.9261002]

>>9260915
>>9260938
To write over email once a week or so

[Anonymous No.9261035]

>>9261002
Like pen pals?

[Anonymous No.9261461]

>>9261035
Yes! That's it. Do it please :3