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>ITT: lolita shit that makes you feel old af

Kamikaze Girls is 12 years old (I first saw it when it was only 3)

Sugary Carnival's resale value has been dead for 5 years now

AP clones are now wearing that weird pastel religious style, instead of shit like Sugary Carnival and Milky Planet.

The Meta Nazi scandal was 6 years ago

getoffegl has been dead for years and is never coming back

LJ in general has been dead for years and is never coming back

>> No.9139094
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9139094

>>9139045
>(I first saw it when it was only 3)

>> No.9139097

>>9139045
Are you old enough to be here?

>> No.9139137

>>9139094
that means OP saw it 9 years ago

did you guys somehow think "it" referred to OP and not the movie?

>> No.9139144

Whenever I'm browsing secondhand sites and see Sugary Carnival, Milky Planet or Melty Chocolate going for cheap my first reaction is to snatch it up and scalp it locally, but then I remember that they're actually selling them for what they're worth now.

>> No.9139163

>>9139094
... What? Are you implying it's so unrealistic to see Kamikaze Girls in 2007 that it can't be true?
>>9139097
What about OP makes you assume they're underage? I'm confused.

>> No.9139171

>>9139137
Different person but my brain corrected "it" to "i" because "when i was only ____" is a common speech pattern

>> No.9139177

>>9139171
Same.

>> No.9139209

>>9139045
>Kamikaze Girls is 12 years old
I'm still pissed they chose that as the English name

>> No.9139301

>>9139045
It came out 12 years ago in 2004 and you saw it when you were 3 years old... That would make you 15 at most. Am I wrong?

>> No.9139303

>>9139301
You misread it, anon. Read the thread.

>> No.9139363

>ITT: Why proofreading before you post matters.

>> No.9139367

>>9139045
>The Meta Nazi scandal was 6 years ago
Fuck off no way, that literally feels like last year.

>> No.9139372

>>9139367
Yup, 2010. Feels much more recent than that for me, too.
>>9139363
For real.

>> No.9139420

>>9139163
The film came out 12 years ago and she was 3 when she saw it?

>> No.9139429

>>9139045
> The Meta Nazi scandal was 6 years ago
I still feel guilty when I but meta, even though I only buy it secondhand

>> No.9139432

>>9139045
>lolita lifestyle blogs are dead
>casual lolita is mostly dead (or just a highly discussed topic)
>ifwinterends dissappeared
>egl is dead
>wardrobe posts lose popularity and/or switch to tumblr
>most e-famous lolitas leave the fashion or get shitty
>>milkyfawn left lolita

I feel so nostalgic, I could watch her vids every day.

>> No.9139434

>>9139420
She fist saw it when the FILM was only 3 years old.

>> No.9139478

>>9139045
I remember buying the first Gothic and Lolita bible.
Nobody really cares about that mag anymore, but damn lolita shit was so scarce back in 2001....

>> No.9139482

>>9139045
I remember when Meta started selling shit overseas, them and Kazuko Ozawa, which was actually pretty bad goth stuff, were the only Japanese clothing retailers that shipped to the US for a time. I'm such a fucking geezer...I also remember when there was no local comm and I was the only weirdo who wore this shit. There were no fucking events, and I made or modified crap. Makes me feel old thinking about how my first coordinate I was happy with was something I made. JFC.

>> No.9139488

>>9139432
wasn't milkyfawn only in lolita for like 2-3 years? she's just a blip in the history of lolita fashion

>> No.9139498

>>9139045
OP, you're 15?

>> No.9139506

>>9139367
what??? someone please summarize this.

>> No.9139507

>>9139498
Lrn2read

>> No.9139521

>>9139488
Well, maybe, but she was an inspiration for many and it's scary to see someone just leave the fashion like this.

>> No.9139526
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>>9139506
Oh my sweet summer child...

>tfw most lolitas have only been at it for a year or two and never knew the lj era
>tfw glitter unicorn vomit prints will never happen again
>tfw nobody gives a shit about mana anymore
>tfw feeling

>> No.9139527

>>9139521
What's scary is how many people are still obsessing over her.

>> No.9139532

>ITT: /cgl/ can't read simple English

this says a lot about the average intelligence/comprehension level of the board.

>> No.9139538

>>9139527
Well, I don't get people obsessing over Mana. I'm simply sad she's not around anymore, makes you think if you'll just stop wearing it as well at some point.

>> No.9139550

>>9139538
Mana is a vkei celebrity and a model though. Pretty sure he was somewhat prepared for the worshipers. Milkyfawn on the other hand, was just another lolita. The fact that people would scalp her dresses just because it was once hers is fucking weird and scary.

>> No.9139559

>>9139550
The scalping part was crazy, but it kinda shows that she was definitely popular.
I get that Mana has a certain relevance, but ever since it seems like he was worshipped by all lolitas like "Praying to Mana-sama" and such. Maybe he's more a meme now, but it always annoyed me, becauseas a sweet lolita I thought he was boring.

>> No.9139566

>>9139488
>>9139521
>>9139527
I still don't understand why she was so popular in the first place. Sure she was cute in a girl next door way and had a lot of AP, but really? You could find girls with that description within five second of scrolling through the AP tag on IG. Why do people still care about her so much? Girls leave lolita all the time.

>>9139538
Mana was an integral part in the history of lolita fashion. He coined the term egl, and carried much of the earlier GLB's almost by himself. The praying as >>9139559 mention is just a meme and has been for a decade except for a very small rather nutty group of people, just like not everyone who likes MF wants to stiff her used burando.

>> No.9139589

>newfags don't know what poupee girl was
>daily lolita is also dead
>as well as avant gauche
>they will never know what lolita was like the days before tumblr and facebook
>Vampire Requiem was released 7 years ago
>selling will never be as comfy again as it was on lj
>the excitement about the small things died

just kill me already

Especially the last point hurts so much. I remember when getting into the fashion, that everyone was so much more invested and excited about lolita. And it wasn't bragging, there was a true interest to discover more, simple joy and appreciation of simple coords. Livejournal was the perfect gathering point. I found reading longer posts and replying to others to be enjoyable. With the rise of the other social media and especially smartphones everyone seems to have lost their attention span though. Twitter, instagram and tumblr don't allow any real interaction with each other as a community, which only leaves facebook, which is only slighly better but it will be as it used to be.

>> No.9139604

>>9139589
>poupee girl

No other dress-up game site has successfully filled the void since.

>> No.9139605

>>9139589
>>the excitement about the small things died
God this hits home hard. I feel like we really appreciated the little things, the stuff we made ourselves, the stuff we altered and repurposed, the low-budget-but-trying meetups before we had such easy access to brand. I remember it creeping in, when a few people got well known because they had recent AP releases in 2009.
God I feel old and even still I know people who have been around so much longer.

>And it wasn't bragging, there was a true interest to discover more, simple joy and appreciation of simple coords.
Like, I KNOW there was still a lot of bitchiness, and god were there some edgelords back on egl in the day, but there was definitely less bragging, there was less to brag about.

I mean, the magic hasn't gone a way for me, but it's definitely different.

>> No.9139610

>>9139566
I guess people just need an idol of some sort to latch onto. I remember that anon obsessed with Dakota Rose that kept coming on here, talking about how empty their life felt when they started losing interest in her. They use their preoccupation with that person to fill a void and detach themselves from a life they're probably unsatisfied with.

>>9139538
Mana is a rock star. People worshiping him is creepy, but to be expected in a career as a professional entertainer.
Milkyfawn's efame wasn't part of a career. She was just someone with a hobby whose exposure became too overwhelming.

>> No.9139618

>>9139589
>poupee girl

I'm still mourning the loss of poupee girl

>> No.9139619
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>>9139610
Oh hey it's me you're talking about. What a coincidence.
I lost interest in that and all the drama, barely even check lolcow. Now i'm focusing on my own life. But I still like having "idols" to inspire myself. I personally liked milkyfawn she was funny and had a huge wardrobe but besides that? Just made me feel sad when she said she felt "too old" for lolita.
And just as you said, it's to fill a void. I have depression/anxiety and a chronic illness that stops me from fully living life and transformed me into a bitter,jealous,salty being vicariously living through others. But i'm getting better. Sorry for the blogging tho.

>> No.9139642

>>9139432
>ifwinterends
Did anyone ever find out if she was just a troll?

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>>9139045
>>9139432
>>9139482
>>9139478
>>9139589
>tfw
Just nuke this damn fashion already.

Hellolace is gone and btb will die soon.

>> No.9139645

>>9139619
Hey, it's honestly really good to hear that you're getting better. I know a girl who does nothing but live through kawaii instagrammers, youtubers, and it's all she does and talks about. It's really sad but I think she's starting to realise that she needs to find a balance.

Anyway, to contribute
>Skye's Princess Portal was started 10 years ago this December

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>>9139644
It's ok anon, for every thing that's "dead" another one will come sooner or later. It's sad but there will be new adventures awaiting on the internet

>>9139645
>10 years ago
Oh god no. I was 12 back then and fervently following it, at least i have peace in knowing that now she seems to be living a nice life

>> No.9139850

First, let's take a moment to remember the most glorious of the fallen; snyper_nyan. Still my favorite lolcow ever.

EGL dying is hitting me hard. I know most of the people here weren't around pre-tumblr, but LJ used to be literally the only place with a real lolita presence. It was LJ and then /cgl/ a couple years later, but back then the stigma of a being a seagull was more intense and it was pretty much only drama discussion.

Remembering <2010 /cgl/ makes me feel super old. Honestly, I prefer it now because the drama was pretty ridiculous (we were just a step away from lolcow's level if not at it), but I do get nostalgic for those days.

I still think of Masquerade Theater as super new. I do it more with AatP than any other brand for some reason.

The really dumb debates about shit like whether or not polka dots automatically meant it wasn't lolita, or if Meta counted as brand.

Seeing things in old school threads that everyone used to make fun of for being super ita when it was new.

>> No.9139855

Anyone else remember back in the day when no one gave a shit about replicas because they were uncommon and never as exact as they are now?

>> No.9139860

>>9139855
Replicas have always been debated. You must have lived under a rock.

>> No.9139871

>>9139860
Yeah, but not nearly as intensely as they do these days. The debates were much more civil and "agree to disagree" back when the most egregious replica was Fruits Parlor.

>> No.9139882

>>9139860
There used to be EGL posts if someone found a replica because it was such an uncommon occurrence. It was tolerated because it happened in a time when it was very tricky to get a hold of brand. Shopping services were few, brands didn't ship overseas, so unless you knew someone in Japan or went yourself, you were outta luck. It was, quite literally, a different time in the fashion.
Replica debates started a while after Dream of Lolita (taobao) started churning out replicas (and really bad ones at that) like no tomorrow. Their awful Sugary Carnival replicas are infamous for faded print, custom 500cm bust editions, and being worn by itas trying to badly onto the OTT sweet bandwagon. Then you have people like Oo Jia who charge enough to buy two brand dresses for a knock-off. Buying replicas didn't make sense anymore.
Brand became hugely accessible to the western community and there was no viable excuse to buy knock-offs, but people did for reasons running from "but I don't want to save up I want it now!" to "but replicas are better quality!".

>> No.9139936

I miss seeing meetup photo posts from other comms. I miss the corny requisite shoe picture and hand-star picture in every meetup photo post.

I remember how exciting it was when someone got to go to Japan, or a big event in the States (before there were brand stores here).

I remember drooling over other people's purchases in got_lolita (or whatever it was called) and the drama of getoffegl. Good times.

>> No.9139945

I only started wearing lolita very recently, but I've been observing the community for about 6-7 years and it's really sad to watch the things I always wanted to be a part of slowly die, like EGL and LiveJournal in general.

>> No.9139966

>>9139532
If so many people read it wrong, it probably means the opposite of your post.

>> No.9140015

>>9139642
Lololol

>> No.9140023

>>9139966
Lol no

>> No.9140510

>>9139966
It means that social media and education are working as intended.

>> No.9140515

>>9139871
Speaking of Fruits Parlor

>the time Lil Mama bought it and wore it on the red carpet
>and now Wondefinch owns that dress

>> No.9140589

>>9139882
To add to your post- back then good quality offbrand was extremely hard to come by, and when you found it it was almost always basic as fuck. Bodyline's quality was absolute shit and not tolerated then, so they weren't even an option. So, brand and replicas actually were it, it's not like these days where if someone makes that excuse, they're clearly just being too lazy to do bare minimum research.

That's actually another thing that makes me feel old- I remember when Bodyline was considered a straight up ita brand (since they were) and one of the top suggestions for newbies was not to buy from them. Feels like just last year that everyone was in shock over the dramatic increase in their quality.

>> No.9140600

>>9140515
>and neither of them managed to wear it nicely

>> No.9140604

>>9139882
>"but replicas are better quality!".
I will never understand how someone could possibly delude themselves into actually believing this. I've met very few replica-chans who own even one brand main piece (and when they do, usually it's some ugly ass old AP print that goes for $100 or less because no one wants it) so I'm going to assume the people who say this have never actually examined brand. And even if it were true, it's still not a valid excuse for profiting off of art theft.

>> No.9140637

>>9139432
Why are people so obsessed with milkyfawn? You're a freak

>> No.9140639

>>9139482
How dare you insult KO

>> No.9140643

>>9139550
More than that. He pioneered gothic lolita, the term egl, the bible. And you know, Moitie. If you like gothic then you have Mana to thank for the style. Compare that to some average lol so quirky lolita who wears AP and posts online.

>> No.9140654

>>9140643
Still doesn't mean I care about him one bit.

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>>9140637
>"How dare you like someone's style and miss it when they stop wearing it??"

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>>9140654
Ungrateful peasant

>> No.9140662

>>9140658
I think because of how creepy some of her fans got, people get uncomfortable when anyone says they miss her.

>> No.9140669

>>9140662
Just because that one girl scalped her dress doesn't mean every single one of her fans is a creepy stalker. She was simply a huge inspiration for me, because she wore the pieces I liked, in the colorways I liked and coorded them in the way I would love to. Especially her natural hair + beret style looked so nice to me, because I have the same hair. I have a hard time finding someone I really get inspired by. Most of teh other lolitas I follow wear wigs, mostly OTT or lean to much towards classic for my taste.

>> No.9140672

>>9139642
I don't think she was a troll, she simply had really controversial opinions and was brave enough to voice it. At least there was some debate through her. Whenever someone posted a new topic I was looking forward to her adding some salt to it.

>> No.9140679

>>9140662
Personally I just get slightly irritated when people cry about how much they miss her and she was such an inspiration because IMO she was bland as hell. It makes me wonder how incredibly boring and ita these girls must be to still be pining after a plain blonde chick just because she owned a bunch of AP and managed to coord stuff from the same set together. At least ten years ago it was a lot harder to have brand, so back then it made a bit more sense to idolize whoever owned a bunch of it.

>> No.9140701

>>9140669
It went far beyond that girl. A while after she left, she admitted a huge part of leaving was due to straight up stalkers to the point of anonymous people sending gifts and obsessive notes to her house. Plus, I don't know how much MF discussion you've read on here, but people say some creepy ass shit about her to this day.
>>9140679
Yeah, that's understandable.

>> No.9140705

>>9140672
Wasn't the main reason people hated her because she said Japanese lolitas were way more ita than us?

Because that is just a fact.

>> No.9140708

>>9140679
If your only point is that she was an AP-fangirl and thus not noteworthy then you are bland. Obviously she went beyond just wearing full-sets. But on that note, all of MM or MMM pieces look the same to me. It's always a matter of being involved in the style the person wears.

>> No.9140724

>>9140705
She did insult Japanese lolitas a lot and her main schtick was "I live in Japan, so I know EVERYTHING about Japan". She would say that Japanese lolitas who are out and about tend to be ita by Western standards which I kind of agree with, but she also talked a lot about how Japanese lolitas and shopgirls were so ugly in the face and how she's so much more beautiful.

>> No.9140734

>>9140724
I see, yeah that's pretty dumb. Wasn't she chubby and ugly, though?

>> No.9140745

MF stuff goes there thanks
>>9139608

I watched kamikaze girls the other day for the first time. My eyes just lit up over "why didn't I watch this earlier?" and also how it's less rule-bound
> open toed shoes
> no blouse

I generally miss the vibe of the fashion, community and old school.

>> No.9140997

>>9139642
She was a real person, with a whitey in Japan superiority complex and bragged she was hafu-French. Worked as a maid and had a giant nose and wore pigtails always though she was 30+.
She left Japan for a while and left her clothes with the shady guy she was boning, who sold her wardrobe to a secondhand shop.

>> No.9141003

>>9140745
I love how Momoko doesn't give a shit about any "rules" she literally does whatever she wants with the fashion. I mean obviously her morals are questionable otherwise, but she does a lot of stuff that people would bitch about nowadays and still looks good.
I really want to rewatch the film now (for the umpteenth time). It makes me feel more comfortable about wearing the fashion unconventionally and actually just enjoying it.

>> No.9141035

>>9140745
The no blouse rule is strictly western and I feel like people have been less sandy about it as time goes on.

>> No.9141058

>>9139429
>tfw you will never find Die Walkure secondhand

>> No.9141063

>>9141035
Even brands have advertised stuff without blouses and people still find some way to say "b-but an ad is different! You can't wear it without a blouse!!". It's pathetic and impractical thinking. It's really nice to see that people are starting to calm down about it but there are still people who lose their shit about it even when the coord is really nice.

>> No.9141073

>>9139619
don't tell me you're that anon that sells with the email address that has the word vitasoy in it?

>> No.9141138
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>>9141003
Her self confidence is an inspiration to lone lolitas everywhere.

>> No.9141231

>>9140654
I'm not gothic, but I still appreciate what Mana did for the fashion. I respect him and was sad to hear that they were taking him out.
You don't have to like him, but have a bit of respect and know your history.

>> No.9141394

>>9141073
No, why?

>> No.9141558

>>9140654
Then you are a trashy pleb.

>>9140658
There's a difference between that and being absolutely obsessed with her. So your image is very fitting.

>> No.9141559

>>9140705
Lol, no. Just look at CoF.

>> No.9141572

>>9139526
you done jerking off there? Or did you just not know what the Nazi scandal was?

http://icaughtthefrills.blogspot.com/2013/07/controversial-lolita-clothing-metas.html

is a passable summary

>> No.9141574

>>9139526
are you done jerking off there anon?

>>9139506
http://icaughtthefrills.blogspot.com/2013/07/controversial-lolita-clothing-metas.html this is a passable suimmary of the drama

>> No.9141576

>>9140705
It's not that they're more ita, they're just more casual/toned down. That doesn't mean there aren't itas, but I envy the fact that they can go around without petticoats and wigs and not be judged.

I had more fun wearing it in Japan because it was more relaxed as opposed to wearing it for a meet and stressing about ever little detail about my coord and wondering if people were going to make comments online.

>> No.9141619

>>9141559
JP lolitas who engage in the Western community are typically the especially advanced. Most of them don't bother with us, and a much larger portion than us look terrible. Just look up JP meet up photos.

>> No.9141632

Personal experiences:
>first seeing kamikaze girls at an anime convention
>getting the first American glb as a sophomore
>finding a book at the library by that one cute artist who liked lolita and bjds
>posting terrible sewing projects to some lolita forum that probably doesn't exist anymore

>> No.9141637

>>9141632
I got one of the American GLBs too. I still have it. It makes me feel so old looking through it.

>> No.9141708

>>9140705
Then why do people want to dress like them?
I've never understood this reasoning.

>> No.9141709

>>9141572
>>9141574
What a spazz

>> No.9141717

One of my earlier encounters with lolita was the English GLB. I really wish it could've stuck. Part of me thinks it was just a little before it's time, since lolita is stronger internationally than it ever has been. Sometimes I find myself paging through it just to admire it some of the old English indie stores on it that don't really exist anymore. I just imagine how much more "international" content it could have these days.

>> No.9141724

>PT drama
>moot banning drama threads
>iron gate obsessions/twinning
>crazy Mana-sama fangirls attempting to look like mana

>> No.9141880

>>9141724
My comm had one of those obsessed Mana fangirls. She only wore Moitié and looked pretty good most of the time as long as she didn't mimic his makeup, but she never said a single word during meetups. Just sat there and glared.

I honestly prefer her to the Melanie Martinez fangirls we have now. Loud, dumb and can't dress for shit. Mananasama plz return and inspire these itas to keep their overpainted mouths shut for once

>> No.9141947

Tfw moitie's cathedral was released 9 years ago and yours still has the tags on it from when you bought it in Japan. And bought it in the shop that doesn't exist any more.

And when you remember when Charlotte charms was actually a Lolita annoying every one here about how her mom/aoi/ sugar daddy will buy her all her stuff. Last I heard she was a washed up cam girl spanking it for her next meal. Not sure if this is true since there isn't a Charlotte charms in the cam girl registry.

>> No.9141974

Using Celga to buy from Japan because it was the -only- damn service available, and they hadn't even started doing the lolita side yet.

>> No.9142006

The great BtSSB shoe scandal where some people straight up boycotted them for a while

AP bloodbaths first becoming a thing and poor naive souls still holding out that they would do something in the future to prevent shit from selling out within minutes

Thalia drama oh Thalia my sweet sweet Thalia

Milanoo first being a thing

Realizing years ago that LJ was dying

>>9141974
Oh god Celga no

>> No.9142101

>>9139619
I thought we all agreed that it wasn't anything like her feeling "too old" or whatever for lolita, she simply left her presence on social media because she was uncomfortable with the attention she was garnering from some people. She did sell off a large portion of her wardrobe but then I thought I read that she kept the ones she loved the most and then just refrained from doing lolita shit on social media.

>> No.9142103

>>9141947
You can follow her drama on lolcow still

>> No.9142152

The fact that Frances came back and people didn't know who she was, leading her to be allowed into s couple FB comms. Especially shocking to me that there were peeps here that had never heard of her

>> No.9142160

>>9141947
She is indeed a camwhore, but she makes a surprisingly high amount of money off of it given her looks (when she was doing it really regularly, she was getting like 10k in tips on mfc a month) so it's not the most pathetic part. The most pathetic part is that she's super fat now, which if you recall, she used to fatshame harder than pretty much anyone on 4chan. She seems to have humbled quite a bit from this change, though.

>> No.9142164

>>9142101
She said herself in a blog post that feeling too old was a large contributor. I would post a cap, but her blogs are private now. I'm so sure it's in the archives, though, if you wanna read it yourself.

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>>9142164
>>9142101
Never mind, found it

>> No.9142360

>>9139589
Maybe you need a break, anon? I did something where I got to kind of relive "the old days" and I unintentionally had to do some things exactly as stuff went about 7 years ago.

I was surprised to find out I hated it. I didn't realize how much more convenient literally everything in the fashion is now and how much more accessible things are.

Maybe you're living through rose-tinted lenses of the past and maybe growing up is just feeling hard. There's places for us ancient lolitas, though. Why not make a tumblr or something to archive your experiences from long ago and elaborate on all the things you said? I think it'd help newer lolitas learn their "history" and you could talk all you'd want about these.

>> No.9142485

>>9142166
Lolita is great now that I'm nearing 30. I can afford all the stuff I want due to having a career. Maybe she'll get back into once she has her life together. It sounded like she was unhappy with more than just lolita.