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So I keep hearing bits and pieces about sissies trying to edge into Lolita fashion. But how big of a problem is this really?
Are they trying to purposely mis identify as brolitas? Are they preying on younger members of the comms? Are they trying to sexualize the fashion and turn it into something else?

I wanna know; I wanna hear it.

>> No.8989779

it is hardly an issue at large. it is an issue in a few local comms. it has no affect on the global community.

it's like scammers or public ageplayers. most people don't even personally know any.

>> No.8989790

Is it just me or do his legs look super disjointed from his upper body? Why is the bear wearing a bra? Why did he think it would be appropriate to pose and take photos in an underwear store?

>> No.8989791

>But how big of a problem is this really?
Hardly a problem at all. There are mostly isolated incidents. The problem is that one sissy, if successful at joining a comm without being suspected, will often bring in friends to do the same (eg: the SF comm apparently had two or three all at once).

>Are they trying to purposely mis identify as brolitas?
Some do. Some don't bother to disguise their intentions from the get-go, but they tend to get booted more quickly. And some don't realise that what they're into is sissy to begin with, just purely because of ignorance, and leave when they figure out that the comm won't provide them with what they're after.

>Are they preying on younger members of the comms?
Most stories of sissies are the ones where they target shy/young/new members in particular. I would say that it's not exactly common, but I've been in multiple comms, and one comm had two separate incidences of a sissy attempting to groom younger members through FB or other social media. Neither was particularly active otherwise, and only one attended a meet-up. Another comm nearby had a member who was a sissy and basically didn't know it. Once he figured out that not everyone in the comm was into dressing up and play-acting the same things he was, he left.

>Are they trying to sexualize the fashion and turn it into something else?
More likely they're confused about what the fashion is, or find it convenient since the communities are larger and less restricted than fetish group sites.

>>8989779
>it has no affect on the global community.
I agree that individual sissies don't have an impact on the global community, but would argue that it makes lolitas overall more suspicious of brolitas in general. I've met lolitas who haven't known a single sissy, who default to the idea that any brolita is one because of gossip they've heard online.

>> No.8989802

>>8989761
Isn't that the, uh... I dunno how to put this politely even though it's so bizarre, but the father which decided to become a 6 year old girl, ditched his family, and moved in with some unrelated older couple who treat him like their granddaughter and even let him play with their real 6 year old granddaughter?

>> No.8989809

More concerned about the double standards in the online community.
Mention Sutiblr and all sjw jump to defend kawaii Asian sissy boi

>> No.8989812

>>8989802
It is indeed, Stef-on-knee.

Also, why are his underpants halfway down?

>> No.8989814

>>8989809
How can you defend this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzGilxXhFkM

>> No.8989820

>>8989814
Ask the sweet Lolita. They got a thread shut down just because he got mentioned

>> No.8989835

i don't really care what anyone does in lolita as long as its respectable. if you're an age player/sissy and going out in public, fine, just behave as a lolita would. if you want to do something disgusting like wear a diaper in public, do it in normie clothes, not lolita, ect ect. keep your fetishes private/in fetish comms and it's fine. or if you're going to post it online at least use shitty, ita dresses and don't even tag it as lolita.

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8989854

>>8989812
>Stef-on-knee.

How fucking terrifying

>> No.8989869 [DELETED] 

>>8989820
>>8989814

Now I know what's going on.

Someone posted a picture of him in the brolita thread without context. I was kind of confused to find relevant sauce pictures mixed with fetish stuff on every damn side when I tried reverse search.

>> No.8989874

>>8989820
Actually, that thread devolved into a long drawn out fight all about him. It was a doomed thread the moment he was posted.

>> No.8989882

>>8989820
>>8989814

Now I see what's going on.

Someone posted a picture of him in the brolita thread without context. I was kind of confused to find relevant sauce pictures mixed with fetish stuff on every damn site when I tried reverse search.

>> No.8989901

>>8989761
>So I keep hearing bits and pieces about sissies trying to edge into Lolita fashion.
This is nothing new, but they definitely try and jump in now randomly more now that Facebook is around.

>But how big of a problem is this really?
Not big so much as a perpetual thorn in every comms side. They also ruin it for genuine brolitas.

>Are they trying to purposely mis identify as brolitas?
I sadly have never met a "genuine" brolita, aka someone who's just male who's in it for pure fashion. They always want to be "xD kawaii traps to get boys~~" and are into that kind of porn. The worst are creepy sissies that want other girls to act out things on them, regardless of age.

>Are they preying on younger members of the comms?
I've seen it happen enough to never trust any man that hints that he may like lolita for sexual related reasons.

>Are they trying to sexualize the fashion and turn it into something else?
They're almost always idiots and itas that think lolita = sissy for girls or something. I wish some lolitas wouldn't skirt around the issue and would tell people off, even meanly. Typically, nothing of value is lost. Using trans, gender issues, or the fact they're male is always an excuse and has always been a shield. Don't let them run over your comm if you feel they're some kind of potential problem or even a potential danger.

>> No.8989969

>>8989901
>They also ruin it for genuine brolitas.
>Using trans, gender issues, or the fact they're male is always an excuse and has always been a shield.
I just happen to be trans and not into lolita (why did I click this thread I don't know I'm bored)

I fucking despise Stefonknee and every degenerate clown of his transtrender ilk for exactly this reason.

This anon is truly sorry that you've had these bad experiences and I just had to express my condolences.

>> No.8989980

>>8989802
>who treat him like their granddaughter
Except also the husband fucks him.

>> No.8990002

We have a few and they're a genuine problem in my comm. One has been banned but still has some supporters and shows up to public meets sometimes. Another has not been banned yet because he's sneaky about his creepiness, but he makes people uncomfortable enough to not want to attend meets anymore, so people have started having mostly private meetups to avoid them. This means that our community has split into two parts, one secret part with all the normal lolitas who just want to hang out in peace and another more visible part full of sissies, itas and unfortunate newbies. I wouldn't be surprised if this arrangement ends up scaring off newbies, because when they join the FB comm the main thing they'll see is sissies and itas.

I really wish our mods would just ban them and stop caring about being 'fair and tolerant'. We're not a government organization, we're allowed to discriminate. If you're making meetups miserable for other people you can gtfo and start your own little ita sissy community, with blackjack and hookers.

>> No.8990005

>>8990002
Yeah this

They can seriously affect individual comms. When we banned ours so many more people started showing up at meets, and it wasn't until then that it became just obvious that pretty much everyone had felt uncomfortable and didn't want to say anything, but the entire comm was affected.

>> No.8990018

>>8989980

WAIT WHAT

>> No.8990021

>>8989790
If the bear's part of the store and not something the weirdo in the OP brought along with him he might be wearing the bra for breast cancer awareness or idk just to be cute since it's in lingerie?

>> No.8990022

>>8989790
Also yes his legs are comically skinny compared to his upper body.

>> No.8990048

>>8990002
>caring about being 'fair and tolerant'

And being completely unfair and intolerant to the needs of newcomers at the same time. Some newbie is going to have their naivety exploited one day and by then it's already going to be too late.

If I were you, I'd be petitioning your mods to get their shit in order because your comm isn't going to grow if the first thing people meet are creepers that are one step away from preying on them.

>> No.8990056

I'm also sick of girls on facebook that keep mentioning their kinks and fetishes and yell kinkshaming whenever people to ask them to keep that to themselves.

>> No.8990090
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8990090

I'm going to share my sissy experience
>new member of the comm, he's young 17-18
>I'm fairly new myself and kinda tumblr teir
>dumb and think brolitas are so "brave" for admiring the fashion and wearing dresses despite all gender stereotypes
>brolita asks for advice in the community FB page
>everyone gives him honest advice
>he doesnt follow it at all, only wears shit lacemonsters
>gloms on to me because i'm the only one accepting of his bullshit
>he hits me up in facebook pms and tells me how much he loves the fashion
>ask him why he doesn't take the advice that the other comm members gave him
>"their advice means nothing, I just asked because I want to fit in. It doesn't matter what I wear, whenever I put on a dress I cum myself.. so I have to wear bloomers underneath"
>NOPE.jpg
>tell comm members about this indecent
>they tell me its my fault for talking to such a creep
>they don't even ban him

fast forward a year later

>shows up to lolita meetup wearing something similar to pic related
>everyone is fine with it, no one says anything while keeping their distance

noped the fuck out of that community. I wonder if he ever got banned.

general rule of thumb is if a boy TRULY cares about the fashion, he'll improve over time. Sissies dont care what shit they're wearing, as long as they feel like a little girl.

>> No.8990094

>>8990090
>knowing he's probably wearing jizz-stained bloomers underneath that thing

Noooooope

>> No.8990097

>>8989761
They steal well known Lolita(s) photos and add sick link stories to them, about how the girl in the photo is a sissy boy with a putt plug and diapers on, shamed in public and forced to wear the dresses.
THAT is a problem!

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>>8990097

>Getting followed by porn blogs on tumblr

Makes me feel weird as fuck. I laughed when one turned into a health supplements blog and kept on trying to sell stuff but the countless other blogs really worry me.

>> No.8990112

>>8990002
what comm is this? it sounds a lot like mine.

we had one guy who seemed determine to not take any advice and apparently followed a couple of girls after a meet. i only met him once but he made me so uncomfortable that i hope i never come across him again.

>> No.8990132
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>>8990112

Adelaide?

>> No.8990133

>>8990097
That happened to me on Flickr. After someone complained to me about a photo I took of them was being used as a caption, I had to start blocking them and put my photos copyrighted. They still find a way somehow.

>> No.8990137

>>8989814
'category: pets & Animals'

>> No.8990143

>>8990132
>look at me, do I look like I belong in the men's restroom?

>> No.8990158

yes. They're subhuman

>> No.8990174

>>8989980
that's not weird and disgusting at all

>> No.8990185

>>8989790
This is the same man who abandoned his like 6 kids and wife to run off and be an ageplaying sissy and tell every media outlet that his family wasn't accepting of him being trans, even though it's all a front for him parading his fetish around. He's tried to make lolitas come to him to join in his fantasy too.

>> No.8990211

>>8989802
>>8989802
No need to be polite about him. He's a horrible shithead who is obsessed with the rape and sexualization of young girls to the point that he has based his entire life on it, he has abused his wife, and worked his way into abused women shelters by virtue of his "trans" status despite being a violent wife-bashing male himself. He helped pass a law that makes this legal in all of Canada, ruining all refuges for battered women in his country. He is scum, seriously.

>> No.8990217

We've had two try to join our comm in the last year, which is really unusual because we'd never had any before. The first one posts pictures on their fake fb, the one they tried joining with, of like diapers and how they like soiling themselves and that kind of stuff, instantly rejected but somehow got into the Old School group, don't know if they're gone yet or not. They also sent a really creepy "I hope all the Lolitas are 18+!" Directly to me before applying to join so fucking nope.jpg

Second one had nothing except a mildly terrifying picture of them in a hot pink twintails wig, no info or anything so they were rejected, they also messaged me on my tumblr with a message like "hope you don't mind a message from a stranger" and a link to them wearing "Lolita", which was just them in a Halloween satin mess, and the image was hosted on a sissy forum.

I feel so bad for brolitas because I'd hate to be mixed up with them or suspected of being a weirdo.

>> No.8990218

>>8989761
It's like letting transgendered people into bathrooms.

The fetishists and perverts will be riding on the coattails of the genuine ones, while screaming bloody murder the minute someone tries to differentiate them.

>> No.8990224

>>8990218
Oh fuck off

>> No.8990225

>>8989901
>I've seen it happen enough to never trust any man that hints that he may like lolita for sexual related reasons.

What about if they're EGA dressing guys who like lolita and not sissys in drag?

>> No.8990229

>>8990224
You telling me you're not seeing this happen in your comm?

>You let him in but not me! Discrimination! Transphobia! Truscum!

>> No.8990242

I'm a male lolita, I used the term brolita about myself when I was younger but I just find the term silly now. There's a brolita group on facebook that is absolute trash, 1/3 sissies, 1/3 male lolitas, 1/3 women. Through that group I got targeted by a man twice my age who had a thing for young men in dresses. Could sissies just keep their kinks to themselves and stop ruining it for us men with a non-sexual fashion interest

>> No.8990249

>>8990229
This is actually happening in my comm. We have one older member who is FtM and another newer person who is MtF, both taking HRT and saving up for surgery, and both universally liked or at least accepted. We also have a few brolitas who are well behaved and dress relatively well.
Every time we've gotten a sissy or other fetishist (yes this has happened multiple times, fml) who makes everyone uncomfortable and is threatened with a ban they and their SJW friends suddenly cry transphobia, homophobia, transmysoginy etc. and shame the mods into giving them another chance or ten. Even after the mods put their foot down and the first one was permabanned, a bunch of his whiteknights accused the entire [area] lolita comm of being transphobic bigoted bullies and ran around slandering us as much as they could. Good riddance mostly but it's still rather upsetting.

I feel bad for our local trans members. We look to them to help us prove that we're not actually bigots and that the guys in question are not really trans, but honestly it shouldn't be their job to be the Trans Police. They just want to wear lolita/EGA in peace and I don't blame them.

>>8990090
This is true as well. Someone actually interested in the fashion will want to build a wardrobe and improve their coordinating ability, whereas fetishists often just have one or two outfits that they wear over and over. It's hard to use this against them though because
>boohoo but I'm poor! Elitism! Income-shaming'

>>8990211
Oh ew ew ew please Canada stop being so nice and kick this guy's ass

>> No.8990290

I am both in the kink community and the lolita community in Toronto. However, neither of these ever mix for, nor do I believe they should. It is completely inappropriate to introduce ones interests in the bedroom to people in a fashion community. I am appauled by stefonknee and honestly a bit worried that one day I may run into him. Involving children and dressing obviously sexual in public like in OP's image, terrible. Never had a sissy or otherwise attend any meet I've gone to though.

>> No.8990301

>>8990056
Im with and agree to them keeping it to themselves when asked because since most lolitas are not into bdsm, they have a right to not feel like their right consent is being walked on. I agree that they should keep it seperate from lolita if possible so others don't feel uncomfortable.

HOWEVER what i think is bullshit, is when I read lolitas bashing the bdsm, dd/lg, etc. When they don't really fully understand THAT community. Hearing the words "degenerate, disqusting, fetishist!" And shit like that.
Dont get pissed off when people bash the lolita community based out of misconceptions and ignorance, but you turn around and do the exact thing to another.

>> No.8990304

>>8990301
BDSM and dd/lg are completely different levels of fucked up. BDSM is probably the most common fetish out there, and there are a lot more non-kinky people comfortable with the idea of BDSM than comfortable with the idea of people pretending to be children having incestuous sex.

>> No.8990308
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8990308

Is he a sissy?

>> No.8990318

>>8990308

Whoaaaa. What is that sick blue plant? I want one!

>> No.8990321
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8990321

There are many brolitas out there that enjoy wearing the fashion, but are actually sissies in their bedroom.

There's a brolita that I am friends with in the Comm and saw the video of him on FetLife getting pegged in frills. He's the Admin in our Comm and I'm a little scared also.

I would not be surprised if many brolitas wear pantsu and pushup bras while wearing lolita. I think they need to seek a therapist and get help.

>> No.8990366

>>8990321
9/10, almost replied. Nice bait.

>> No.8990368

>>8990321
post a censored screencap to BtB

>> No.8990373

>>8990301

I don't care what people do in the bedroom, but honestly, once you bring your kinks to the public, I think you really have no defense against the outrage it might bring. Do you like roleplaying underage girls being taken advantage of by their daddies? Fine, we all have some messed up fantasies. But don't think you're going to be coddled because you're so brave for coming out with a concept that quite frankly grosses a lot of people out.

Just my 2 cents, and it probably shouldn't matter but this is coming from someone who likes her fucked up bedroom shit.

>> No.8990392

>>8990301
Agreed with >>8990304 and >>8990373. I'm not going to hound anyone for what they get up to in the bedroom but you can't expect the public at large to be comfortable with the idea of emulated incestuous child rape. It's just not something that will ever be accepted outside the very niche kink community and IMO it shouldn't be, because normalising something like that would have some really unfortunate implications.

>> No.8990415

>>8990373
>>8990392
Calling your lover "daddy" has been mainstream for at least a hundred years, if not longer.

>> No.8990417

>>8990415
Different anon, but just because something is 'mainstream' does not mean I want to be subjected to it in public or have a hobby of mine seen as going hand in hand with something I personally find disgusting.

>> No.8990426

>>8989980
The poor actual granddaughter.

>> No.8990428

>>8990308
no. MtF, transitioned late. nice enough in person and cares about the fashion.

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8990429

>>8990090
>whenever I put on a dress I cum myself.. so I have to wear bloomers underneath
I feel like this is a mental disorder of some sort.

>>8990097
>add sick link stories to them
I hate this, so much. I somehow stumbled upon a sissy website with forums filled to burst with just that.

>> No.8990433

>>8990211
What Canadian law is this?

>> No.8990437

>>8990308
This is Caroline, right? I've been to smaller meets with her(?) and from what I can tell she's trans and only into lolita for the fashion

>> No.8990438

>>8990415
That doesn't make it any less disgusting.

>> No.8990439
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>>8990415
It has been a thing people do, but not something that is actually socially acceptable in polite company unless you're referring to your husband while talking to your children.

>> No.8990478

>>8989854
>>8989812

Damn. If it weren't for the given situation, this would have been a funny drag name.

>> No.8990504

>>8990218
This. It's already happening.

>> No.8990557

>>8990433
Toby's law

>> No.8990574

>>8989980
>>8989802
>let him play with their actual granddaughter
>treat him like their granddaughter
>the dad fucks him
>TREATS HIM LIKE THEIR GRANDDAUGHTER

SEND
HELP

>> No.8990592

>>8990242
I say the same about myself. I don't like "brolita" because I really don't want to be separated from my friends in my comm. I just call myself a lolita.

>> No.8990659

>>8990225
Not the anon you're responding to but all men (no matter what they personally wear) who "like lolita for sexual related reasons" disgust me.

No one wants your semen all over their burando except those ageplayer chicks who overshare their fetishes and are honestly no better than sissies.

>> No.8990667

Is that Peter Lervold guy a sissy? I always see them commenting... kinda weird sounding stuff on that one Japanese lolita's FB posts.

>> No.8990671

>>8990659
Can't we just hook up the sissies with the oversharing ageplayers and have them fuck off to their own little community seperate from lolita? I don't even care what these people get up to, I just want them to not do it near me.

>> No.8990687

>>8990659
What's wrong with thinking that girls in lolita look sexy?

>> No.8990689

>>8990687
Some girls wear it not only because they like it but to avoid feeling/looking sexy. It's annoying.

>> No.8990699

>>8990687
You can think whatever you want but no one cares what you find sexy, so you don't have to share it with the world

>> No.8990701

>>8989814
>believing he is the person in both types of video
I can't understand why you wouldn't separate these things

>> No.8990706

>>8989814
lol what

>> No.8990717

>>8989980
I thought he just slept in their bed?

>> No.8990848

>>8990097
>>8990133
Tumblr is good about copyright violation removal.

If someone posts using your photo, and it's being used improperly, you can petition them to remove it. It'll show up as a blank image, even for posts that reblogged it (this happens with Sakizo art posts all the time, since she found out about tumblr).

If enough copyright claims are filed against an account, gets deleted.

Can't do much if they're reblogging and then adding the caption, unfortunately. Can try reporting the account for something else, I suppose.

>> No.8990881

>>8990848
Where can you go to petition it? Ive had this happen to me before, and didnt know how to report it

>> No.8990882

>>8990881
https://www.tumblr.com/dmca

>> No.8990885

>>8990881
You can file a DMCA report if someone reposted (rather than reblogged) your image, just go to the Help page and type in "DMCA".

>> No.8990886

>>8990881
>>8990882
And here for misattribution/inappropriate captions on reblogs:
https://www.tumblr.com/abuse/misattrib

>> No.8990887
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8990887

>>8989790
>Is it just me or do his legs look super disjointed from his upper body?
In my experience when men get fat they tend to have fat accumulate in their gut before it journeys to the extremities. Beer guts are hilariously bad.

>> No.8990891

>>8990687
There's a very big difference with admiring them from afar and going out of your way to make them feel very violated. Things like reblogging girls photos with sexual stories attached to them so they will see them or literally creeping on them at meets. Just keep your fetishes to yourself and no one will care.

>> No.8990894

>>8990848
I've seen posts get removed in the interest of protecting the original blogger.

Emii-chan, who posts a lot of Liz Lisa stuff, had a DD/GL blog reblog one of her outfit posts and add some sort of fetishy caption to it about how it's photos of a girl waiting all dressed up for daddy. She contacted tumblr and the gist of it was, she told staff that she did not want her likeness connected with fetish stuff (idk if this is the case for sure but if you google image search, it may come up with the posts with fetishy captions for example. Not to mention the influx of creepy followers she would get). They removed it for her.

Mind you, she contacted the fetishy blog guy first and he pretended to be all ~oh I would totally comply~ ~but I don't even know what post you're talking about~ ~innocent ol' me~ and when tumblr deleted the post he threw a good tantrum over it and called Emii disrespectful and stuff, fun times.

>> No.8990898

>>8990894
Yep, sounds right.

After a bit of poking around, I found a link to >>8990886 on the DMCA page. From the list of items on the page, it sounds like if someone is reposting a non-fetish blog in a fetish context, it's grounds for removal, since the original post is public and not rated for 18+. Failing that, it could possibly fall under their harassment clause?

So there is something that can be done after all.

>> No.8990901

>>8990415
A lot of things have been "mainstream" and going on for hundreds of years, doesn't mean that it's an acceptable thing
Keep your creepy daddy kinks to you and your partner only and don't subject others to it

>> No.8990926

>>8990308
From the wardrobe they have, I would say not.

>> No.8990969

>>8990886

Thank you. I can finally report this guy. Kinda scared it'll make him stalk me more though...

>> No.8990995

>>8990143
this thing does not belong in any restroom

>> No.8991035

I think half of these people are seriously mentally ill. There are plenty of guys who enjoy crossdressing in the privacy of their own homes (often with frills and such); that doesnt mean they have to show it off to everybody.

>> No.8991046

>>8990218
seriously, I don't get that. If you are obviously a dude with a penis, why the fuck use the woman's bathroom? Also, if you have a vag, why go to the men's bathroom?

>> No.8991053

>>8991046
I'm a manager at a fitness club and I'm terrified of what will happen if/when a trans/cd/whatever tries to use the "wrong" locker room.
It's not a question of morals or whatever, I could care less, but paying members are going to freak out and get upset, and sjw will blow it out of proportion.

>> No.8991059

>>8991053
I am convinced, and science backs this up, that being transgender is a symptom of a psychological disorder. So no disrespect, but feeding their delusions is wrong. It's also wrong to bend laws so people can do whatever the fuck they feel like. "Oh I feel like a man today, I'll use the men's bathroom! "Oh I feel like a chick today, I'll use the women's locker room!" "I feel like a 6yo today, let's go to the playground and chat up other 6yo".

>> No.8991062

>>8990132
Yep, Adelaide. I don't think I trust any men in this fashion desu.

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8991064

>>8991062
I hope that you one day meet a brolita who isn't a total asshole, but Adelaide does seem to be stuck with a strangely high proportion of other comms' castoff pervs.

>> No.8991092

>>8991059
back to /pol/ with you, lad

>> No.8991108

>>8991059
Let me guess, you're boycotting target?

There's a difference between someone who's "gender fluid" and someone who is taking hormones to make themselves align with their gender identity. If you're that committed to being a woman your taking hormones that will change your body, i dont mind if you share the bathroom with me.

>> No.8991122

>>8991108
I'd rather mtf trans-women us the womens bathrooms. Its hard to use the urinal when you got a boner.

>> No.8991130

>>8991122
I guess I should clarify. It's hard to use the urinal when you got a boner for the hot lady using the urinal next to you.

>> No.8991175

>>8989835
I agree. As long as you don't look like shit and act like a decent person at meet ups (i.e. not mentioning anything fetish related or focusing on the youngest members specifically) then it shouldn't even come up.
There are probably tons sissies/ageplayers in stealth mode and that's alright. As long as they actually love the fashion and aren't just trying to get off.

>> No.8991176

>>8991130
That's no lady son. It's a man, with a penis. You're getting a boner for penis.

>> No.8991178

>>8990218
I'm curious if the incidents on men faking "trans" so they easily walk into and can creep on women in the bathroom, and lord help us all, a locker room, will increase.

>> No.8991198

>>8990218
Please don't start getting into this.

>> No.8991210

>>8991046
>>8991053
>>8991059
>>8991176
>>8991178
Stay on topic please.

>> No.8991213

>>8991210
That IS on topic.

>> No.8991219

You all asked for this

>> No.8991226

well, i dont know about you all, but those brolita threads do provide some pretty good fapping material. Only reason why I visit from /d/

>> No.8991251

>>8991178
They won't see much because only stalls exist in there.

>> No.8991258

>>8990132
He looks like a super gross version of Nathan Lane in drag. Which is really insulting to Nathan Lane (God bless that man).

>> No.8991259

>>8991251
Seriously. I've never seen another woman's bits in the restroom. I think men just have this fantasy that it's that easy to walk into a women's restroom and creep. Even locker rooms tend to have private changing areas if you want them. A creeper would be easily distinguished from a trans person who just wants to use the toilet. Creepers gonna creep either way. They don't care about laws.

>> No.8991264

>>8989814
I don't understand.
I don't understand anything about this.

>> No.8991272

>>8991259
Any time I go into the locker room at the gym it's like a gauntlet of old wrinkly lady bodies. Every single time. Come on in if you want fake trannies

>> No.8991278

>>8991272
Yup. Every time. I feel like my gym just has a rotating schedule for aquarobics or something, because there's always 80+ year old women getting into or out of swimsuits when I show up.

>> No.8991296

>>8990318
looks like a blown glass sculpture

>> No.8991307

>>8991251
Where do live? I've only ever been in one bathroom before that didn't have those open slits on the stall doors that you can look through pretty easily. Especially if you're standing in front of a mirror with the stalls behind you, making it even easier to look through them at the person in the stall.

>> No.8991362

>>8991064
Oh fun, I didn't know about any creeper incidents, gotta work on improving my perv radar

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>>8990090

>> No.8991385

Sissies should be publicly executed.

>> No.8991393

>>8991226
This is some kind of reality check. People will fap to the fashion...

>>8989761

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html

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>>8991307
Even then it's a slit sized view and people and it's not like any bits show when you're just sitting on the toilet. Most average Target shoppers aren't Jenny McCarthy anything if that's what you're in to. The people pulling the "testing" bits will get bored fast.

>>8991278
Fuck just this morning there was a 60+ year old latina lady with just a towel around her waist and blowdrying her hair while letting her lengthy tits sway in the hot breeze

>> No.8991414

>>8991397
Not your blog, stay on topic

>> No.8991415

>>8991414
different anon, but they are on topic for the discussion. stop getting offended at people discussing things like this.

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>>8990667

>> No.8991439

>>8990667
He's always commenting on Misako's instagram... creepy as fuck.

>> No.8991440

>>8991397
>>8991272
The people into that shit don't care how hot you are, just that they can get into place they shouldn't be and see things the vast majority of men can't. It's a voyeur and power thing not a "let's look at playboy models" thing. Also "they'll get bored quickly" go ask all the women that have been spied on in bathrooms for months and years how quickly they get bored.

>>8991259
Creepers are deterred by laws, hence why creep shots have decreased since Japan required shutter noises on phones and why lolita comms that quickly get rid of creepers don't have problems with them but "accepting" comms do.

They may "easily distinguished" by normal people but without proof they can't be distinguished by law without proof. And sjws had no problem defending stef-on-knee and countless other sissies.

>> No.8991443

>>8991440
>but without proof they can't be distinguished by law without proof

I'm gonna go lay down now.

>> No.8991451

>>8991427
Oh my...the videos...

>> No.8991454

>>8991427
Shit, this guy creeps all over Japanese lolitas, he comments on Misako's posts a lot.

>> No.8991474

>>8990667

He comments on this Korean lolita I'm FB friends with as well.

I think he gets away with it because they never say anything back for one reason or another (language barriers, maybe they think it's too rude to reply?) but I wish he would fuck off.

>> No.8991475

>>8991474
I've reported his Facebook multiple times get he keeps coming back.

>> No.8991547

>>8991108
It's insanity to mutilate your body and subject yourself to hormone therapy to "align" to a certain "gender", because gender is a social construct. What is between your legs is not important. When you're an unhappy male chances are you will be an unhappy female. Your sex is not the problem. It's kind of fucked up really how they're being driven into their delusion. If a black girl wanted to be white or a flat chested girl wants a boob job not everyone is immediately like "YES your BODY is the problem, you'll be much better off going through medical procedures!" No. People, especially peop who love them, would tell them "you're beautiful just as you are." And a sex change is much more traumatic to the body than a boob job plus it's irreversible.
That being said, I don't mind people dressing up the way they like. I don't mind brolitas if they're well dressed and don't make EVERY single subject about being trans.
So if a guy is into the fashion, fine, no prob, go be fab.
If a guy or girl wears it as a kink or to fulfill some sexual fantasy, that really irks me.
And all the girls supporting this bs for the sake of social justice, fuck them.

>> No.8991551

>>8991547
I agree almost completely, but lumping in flat chested with the rest isn't the best example. Saying anything negative about it will get you a bunch of people saying you should definitely get surgery to get rid of your "deformity" both irl and on the net.

>> No.8991558

>>8989814

imo if someone has fucked up fetishes but also wears lolita fashion, just keep the two separate. Of course if lolita IS the fetish to them, gtfo

>> No.8991562

>>8991108
HRT isn't that high of a bar. Some MtFs on hormones will talk about how being referred to as female gives them a boner and feels like a drug high, how sissy porn helped them find their laydee identity, and other MtFs will reassure them by claiming that biological females experience arousal over being female and that autogynephilia is in fact perfectly normal and has nothing to do with their porn addictions. It's fucking gross.

Unless you've already chopped off your dick, don't enter spaces meant for females. If you need to pee/change so badly, use a single-person restroom. But that's not enough since I still see MtFs refusing perfectly safe unisex bathroom options because it doesn't validate their laydee feelz.

>> No.8991568

>>8989814
idk even though I know this is fetish stuff I still think he looks cute af. The reason why I personally can defend him is because this isn't lolita fashion and isn't related to lolita fashion. So what business of ours is it to shun him based on his other hobbies?

>> No.8991574

>>8991551
Not only, but it's also on a much smaller scale. It's one thing to say 'I love myself other than this one thing I want to change ', but wanting to change your entire being because you fancy cosplaying a woman (because a lot of the time they really do act like it's a fetish) is a completely different beast

>> No.8991579

>>8991574
Yeah I definitely agree, I just wanted to point that out before someone else tried to argue that very few people have a problem with boobjobs when a flat chested woman does it so we should be okay when guys do it and insist on being called a woman.

>> No.8991586

>>8991547
Agree with everything you wrote.

>> No.8991589

>>8991547
It makes no sense that boobjobs are seen as a life-saving procedure that must be covered by health insurance for MtFs. No flat-chested woman offed herself because she couldn't get a boobjob.

>> No.8991591

>>8991589
But anon flat chested "women" aren't real women. Don't you know real womyn have curves? /s

>> No.8991592

>>8991589
this is gonna sound strange but I'm in a flat chested group and you'd be suprised how shit we feel about ourselves.

>> No.8991599

>>8991592
There's a world of difference between flat-chested women with severe body image issues and an autogynephile trying to emulate a porn star because that's what he thinks being a woman is all about.

>> No.8991620

>>8991589 see
>>8991592
for a lot of people an aesthetic flaw can be a huge problem. And I can relate, I have definitely more understanding and sympathy for a woman wanting to have a boob job than for the people this anon describes:
>>8991599

Off topic, but fake boobs look bad most of the time so I wouldn't advise girls to get them done, flat chested girls are cuter and more feminine than obese girls with fat flap tits.

On topic again, I do have a problem with brolitas stuffing their bras. Why would you do that?

>> No.8991625

>>8991592
maybe you do.

>> No.8991652

>>8991574
>>8991589
>>8991620
It's more than just an aesthetic problem. I don't wanna get too off topic but unless you're okay with your bf/husband always lusting after someone with just any tits at all and knowing they're never going to be truly satisfied with you you're going to have a hard time finding a bf/hudband. Also non-asian clothing will never fit. Sometimes juniors xxs will only be a little loose in the bust but that's about it. You can only wear literal children's bras, teen training bras are usually too baggy in the bust area.

inb4 a bunch of women saying that isn't true If you aren't a completely flat chested adult woman you don't know what it's like and never will. If you have even half an inch difference between your upper rib cage and your bust you aren't flat chested. Just because one flat girl doesn't care doesn't mean the vast majority do.

>> No.8991655

>>8991652
Anyway to keep it more on-topic >>8958158/#p8973794 I wonder how different the average brolita's reaction to sissies is compared to the average lolita's.

>> No.8991668
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>>8990321
Okay, I know you are in the same comm as me, and I know you've posted about him multiple times on here. He loves the fashion for the fashion. He is truly a brolita. What he does in the bedroom is his business.

You went and searched for him on a fetish website, where he was keeping his fetish separate from all other aspects of his life, and outed him. That's digging deep, it's stalking behavior. This wasn't a person who was flaunting it in the comm, or telling people about his bedroom activities. He wasn't hitting on anyone or acting inappropriately.

If anyone needs to seek a therapist and get help, it's you. You are the one who went digging for information he never brought up. You are the one who wanted to hurt him and his reputation by outing him on here. You are a vicious monster, and if I ever find out who you are, don't expect privacy from that point on.

Here's a cute lolita to try to make up for the buttmad.

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>>8990373
This, this this. I cannot tell you of the heaps of secondhand embarrassment I get when I see people posting themselves doing shit like this in public, or even bragging about it. If you have some sort of fetish involving being in public, go to a fetish convention. There are plenty of them, with multiple flavors! Stay the hell away from people going about their daily lives!

>> No.8991675

>>8991620
>I do have a problem with brolitas stuffing their bras. Why would you do that?
Some bodices are cut for a small bust. Small boobs, yes, but existent ones, not a flat chest. Stuffing a bra makes the dress sit better.

>> No.8991679

>>8991668
If he gets off to degenerate shit in those dresses and started as a sissy, I think it's safe to say he wears those because of the way he feels in those dresses (sexual). You're getting a little too upset over this I think.

>> No.8991685

>>8991547
Lately I have wondered if the rise of rranstrenders is related to some political agenda that benefits the bug pharmaceutical market. Sell more hormones, more people buying them for months if not years.
Maybe linked to the rise of antidepressants
More "support" for trans, more hidden adds in the mass media

>> No.8991689

>>8991679
You're entitled to your opinion about whatever he may do in whatever clothing, but we'll never actually know. Even if he told us what he did/did not do or how he felt/did not feel, the fact that people lie and people don't accept the truth as the truth means we'll never truly know. Like other sissies, he discovered the fashion, didn't know what it was, realized what it was, and made a choice. Many others choose to be a creep, many others choose to leave the fashion after realizing it isn't fetish-related. He chose to actually get into it. He follows releases, he has favorite brands, he knows terminology, he knows what constitutes an ita, he makes coords and takes advice (even if IMO he doesn't need it). To me, that says he actually likes the fashion for the fashion.

>> No.8991692

>>8991679
Also, I am upset. And the reason I'm upset is that a person out for blood invaded a space specifically for fetishists to keep their shit where it belongs, and opened it up for discussion publicly.

I'm upset because I'm a fetishist. I want to keep my stuff where it belongs. I want to be able to talk to other people about it, who are also into it. I don't want it out in the open, I AM in stealth mode. But I can't even do that, because people like the person who outed him exist. People who are just out there to ruin your life will do anything they can to accomplish that.

How can a person say they want fetishists to keep their shit away from the public and stay in their fetish communities, but at the same time say it's okay to invade their space and out them?

So I am upset. Too upset? Possibly. Probably. But it broke a thread of mine.

>> No.8991697

>>8991692
That's a good point.

And raises the question of where to draw the line. Both with fetishy stuff, and with transgender stuff.

With both, it seems impossible to know who's "real" and who's "fetishy" without mindreading abilities.

>> No.8991703

>>8991689
And he fucks in brand

>> No.8991706

>>8991692
>anons wants to keep fetishes away
>posts to internet
>totally don't want to show off fetishes

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>>8991706
Posting on a website made specifically for fetishes makes as much sense as bodybuilders or crafters or lolitas having their own websites and communities. Yes, there is always a chance someone unrelated will see it. But generally, unless you go looking for a specific person, you won't see anyone you know and accidental run-ins are rare.

If you're referring to posting on here, it's because that's what this thread is about. It's on topic.

>> No.8991719

>>8991703
And your point is? I'm a ciswoman lolita and I screw my husband in brand. I don't tell people about it except on anon forums; I certainly wouldn't tell it to other lolitas at meets or on the facebook page, because bedroom activities are neither relevant not appropriate to the place.

>> No.8991721

>>8991717
Internet is public space. Period.

>> No.8991728

>>8991721
Actually according to Fetlife's T&C you are not permitted to share anything from fetlife on other websites, and if you do they can pursue legal action. So no, internet is not public space.

>> No.8991729

>>8991721
I agree, but when I said keeping out of public, I meant in real life or in completely unrelated and open websites. Like, you shouldn't be posting it to FB or on a video game forum or whatever. I should have clarified that.

I think that there's the general, open public, and then semi-public spaces within that. Like strip clubs or fetish bars, or sex conventions. You wouldn't be going to those places unless you were lost or had a reason to. I think the internet mirrors that.

>> No.8991731

>>8991719
I've done the same thing before with my boyfriend. It was an awesome experience, but it's something I don't want to try again since I'm worried it'll ruin my brand. Also the petticoats made things harder.

To the guys who dress up in lolita and put effort in wearing it, I should not matter what's between your legs.

I feel extremely terrible how this thread is turning into. It's a witch-hunt, a red-scare.

>> No.8991750

>>8991721
Depends on which part of the internet.

>>8991728
I was kinda disappointed to go to a kink con and not see a single person in lolita.

>> No.8991756

>>8991750
I went to an "adult expo" (so basically a sex con) in lolita once but that was many years ago. Got a lot of nice compliments and people wanting photos, luckily no creepers either!

>> No.8991761

>>8991756
People seem to be afraid of being a creeper at kink cons. Though I have heard a few horror stories, most involved lady creeps who thought that they could get away with anything because they were girls.

>> No.8991768

>>8991655

Probably the same. Disgust mixed with a little bit of apathy.

The only difference would probably be the feelings of ordinary lolitas vs lone brolitas looking to get into a comm. I know that while there's a comm in my area I certainly am hesitant to join since the whole bad apples situation with brolitas and the comm seems like a strangely and disproportionately attractive magnet for creepers and sissies (as previously mentioned in thread) so their suspicions would be initially well grounded.

How does a guy introduce himself as just wanting to wear sick egl and ega when countless horror stories exist and any comm has probably had a few terrifying experiences? The first few meets alone would be trust earning exercises and doing anything overly nice would be working backwards with how suspicious people in the fashion tend to be. It's an effort which not everyone wants to undertake.

Perhaps I overthink it though. I hope I do. Yet there's no shortage of sissy horror stories mere clicks away that it can be cringey and embarrasing to even mutter that I'm a brolita. Makes me wish I got into something more obscure like strega or kodona hah.

>> No.8991770

>>8991768
To be fair, there's no shortage of horror stories in any fan community. The constant horror threads on /cgl/ are proof enough of that.

>> No.8991778

>>8991768
>kodona
That's an incorrect term, the correct one is ouji. As for how to introduce yourself to your comm: If you're interested in both ega and egl, consider starting off with aristocrat and then gradually move into lolita. I'm sure your local comm will accept you when they see that you're serious about the fashion.

>> No.8991787

>>8991731
Indeed, this is kind of scary. It's one thing if sissies try to act out their fetishes to members of a fashion club instead of a fetish club (it's an issue of consent, and even in the fetish club there are endless discussions of consent). It's another thing if people are accusing and posting brolitas they suspect to be such individuals with zero proof to back up their claims.

>> No.8991788

>>8991768
honestly the comm i was apart of when i was new to the fashion is probably an exception but the one brolita in the group and his best friend who was a girl were the least awful and creepy people in the comm. the ugly girl who was into ott sweet was an age playing lolicon who attempted to molest underage girls irl. i don't want to generalize or give false hope but i feel like there's a bit more wiggle room when it comes to gothic styles because (in my experience) the creepy sissies and age playing lolicons seem more attracted to sweet, and seem to be itas if they are into goth. ive never met a well coordinated gothic lolita OR brolita who's been a disgusting creepy freak but im sure it happens. im speaking from a small comm perspective.

>> No.8991794

>>8991778
Actually Kodona is a correct (western) term, but it's the style that is more akin to looking like a young boy (think Ciel from Kuroshitsuji)

>> No.8991799

>>8991778

Whoops. Yeah ouji is what I meant. My bad. I should probably learn how to pronounce ouji properly as well before I get into it. Whenever I say it I pronounce the ou as 'ow' so it sounds close to 'orgy' as a complete word.

Good idea with the ega into egl idea. I suppose I can do that since I like ega too.

>> No.8991802

>>8991799
Ouji is pronounced like ou-gee. Ou should sound like the O sound in Ole.

>> No.8991810

>>8991802
A "hard O".

>> No.8991813

>>8991692
Have you tried just not being a disgusting fetishist?

>> No.8991814

>>8991802
And ou-gee is what orgy can sound like with certain accents. Listen to the ouji accessory vid to see what I mean.

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>>8991813

>> No.8991828

>>8990415


wtf country are you in that it's mainstream to call your lover Daddy?

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>>8991828
Guess.

>> No.8991831

>>8991794
The term kodona was picked up from an interview with some musician (someone from Plastic Tree I believe) who used it to describe his own personal style, if I remember correctly.
While the term has been used in the western comm to describe the princely equivalent of lolita for a very long while now, it's actually not a thing that exists.

>> No.8991839

>>8991831
Neither is otome but everyone insists that it's a thing for whatever reason.

>> No.8991843

>>8991592
Don't speak for me, I feel great. It's just you.

>> No.8991848

>>8991828

Man. I walked right into troll bait, didn't I.

>> No.8991850

>>8991843
Don't speak for anyone else either. It's definitely not just them.

>> No.8991855

>>8991839

That's because it is a thing, now. While the Japanese girls can go by Emikyu-kei or JM-kei or whatever, and don't really care about meeting other girls who are into what they are into, western girls who are into otome like the entire mix of brands, with each girl normally having a little bit from every brand. What are you going to do, force them to choose one brand to be loyal to, and tell the JM-kei girls not to talk to the Emikyu-kei girls? They gotta refer to the fashion as something, because creating meetups for the "JM-kei x Emikyu-kei x Pepfox-kei x whatever-kei but totally excluding all other jfash groups" is a bit of a mouthful.

Saging for OT.

>> No.8991868

>>8991855
idk here in Japan they just call it lolita. And they hang out with the other more dressed up lolitas.

>> No.8991971

>>8991652
Sorry, but you could make pretty much the same argument about other aesthetic "flaws". Unless you're the ultimate epitome of hotness, and even when you are, your husband/bf could be lusting after other women.

>>8991675
Yes, SOME dresses. Slight padding shoud suffice. But aside from that, I think it's weird.

>> No.8991982

>>8991685
I always makes me think of that one swiss (?) guy who had his own documentary about his assisted suicide. He had fought for the right to die. He wanted to be put down by doctors and the documentary was about him saying goodbye to his family and friend. It was kinda sick desu and I cannot believe that this is what a modern society does to people who are so depressed they want to die: Kill them.
But as you said, I guess it's a business.

>> No.8992018

>>8990308
She is mtf and VERY kind,nice,normal. She is sadly just very ugly, but her calm and friendly personality makes up for that.

>> No.8992065

>>8991971
No I mean that specific trait. It's a complete lack of something, not an uglier version or a less attractive one. It's like the female version of having a 1cm dick. It's not just aesthetic. Again are you literally flat chested? It's easy to say it doesn't matter when you don't have it. You can argue it all you want, as much as I desperately wish it didn't matter it does and you saying otherwise won't change it.

Also yeah the vast majority of lolita dresses will look weird on someone flat chested. If it looks good on girls with a b-cup or above it'll look weird on someone flat chested. Innocent World's S size and some old school are the only clothing I know of that consistently look okay on completely flat chested women.

>> No.8992069

>>8990574
underrated connecting of dots

>> No.8992083

>>8991855
otome doesn't exist just get over it

>> No.8992092

>>8991794
Kodona is a shit term and people who use it are ageplayers

>> No.8992098

>>8991831
>While the term has been used in the western comm to describe the princely equivalent of lolita for a very long while now
adding to this, people have been correcting others about it for a very long while as well. it annoyed people as soon as it was introduced, because ouji has always been the correct term.

>> No.8992100

>>8992092
Not necessarily ageplayers, but definitely weebs.

>> No.8992101

>>8991971
>>8992065
And Innocent World's S size doesn't fit 99% of brolitas. Pretty much all brolitas are going to have a ribcage of a size where it'd be improbable that they wouldn't have boobs. It looks weird if they go flat-chested. B or C-sized fake boobs should suffice.

>> No.8992111

>>8992100
what part of "I want to look like a little boy!" is NOT ageplay though

>> No.8992116

>>8992111
it's about looking like a prince, not a "little boy". you're clearly b8.

>> No.8992123

>>8992098
When I got into Lolita, a lot of people called it kodona. I didn't know better so that's what I called it too. It was a few years before I learned better and to this day I still accidently say "kodona"

>> No.8992130

>>8992116
i think you misread. people who insist on using "kodona" instead of "ouji" say they do not want to look like princes. they want to look like little boys. this is ageplay.

people who use the proper term (ouji) don't usually have the ageplay mindset.

>> No.8992133

>>8992123
the important thing is you're trying

>> No.8992136

>>8992101
I haven't been talking about brolitas at all. It should be clear when I specifically said >Innocent World's S size and some old school are the only clothing I know of that consistently look okay on completely flat chested women.

Again >women
Brolitas and "transwomen" are not actually women.

I've been talking about women like people have been when they've been saying no flat woman has ever cared all that much or had any trouble with it at all. Hence why I said it was offtopic and we should move on before it got brought up again.

>> No.8992178

>>8991768
Most brolitas are disgusted with sissies and want that shit out, because they make it 10x harder to gain people's trust. It's very difficult to participate in the community as a brolita.

In order to not come off as being a weirdo, brolitas should have an A+++ first coord, preferably brand. They should also be able to socialize properly, do their damnest to not appear creepy, know when to keep their mouths shut, and not stir the SJW pot even if people are mean to them. If they do all of this, and repeatedly show up in excellent coords, they'll give their haters no ammunition and have proven that they're serious about the fashion.

>> No.8992213

>>8992018
>calm and friendly
Did you mean bitchy and dramatic? At first I thought she was a drag queen putting on an act with how stereotypically "catty female" she was acting. Agreed that she's not a sissy at all but calm and friendly? Ha!

>> No.8992213,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>8991475
And he will. Over and over and over and over. Until you run out of breath.

>> No.8992213,2 [INTERNAL] 

Big news! Transwomen are women. Deal with it...