Actual J-fashion in Tokyo

[Anonymous No.8372975]

sorry if I didn't include your fave subgenre. its probably in the "other" category with less than 1% visibility in Tokyo.

[Anonymous No.8372990]

lol what's the point of this? you can't possibly think that you have any idea what the percentage of these really is? all of them should be 1% or less realistically you retard. what are you trying to prove? that you don't know how to survey?

[Anonymous No.8373008]

>>8372975
I can't find examples of Borderline dolly on google. Anon, do you have any to drop? Is it actually called something else, but borderline dolly is just the translation?

[Anonymous No.8373023]

>>8372990
>muh style wasn't in this waaaaaaah
>I don't get to live in Japan waaaaah

[Anonymous No.8373033]

my shitty survey was 2 hours in omotesando and then meiji dori and shibuya, with a japanese friend to help explain/ask questions. the numbers are out of my ass but the "kpop style" is REALLY popular and people just call that "gyaru" now. also that dolly-like style, i just called it borderline dolly because I saw some girls like it coming out of "grimoire" and I could imagine they are kind of dolly style for parties but look more traditionally "fashionable" in the day. gothloli is probably less than 1 but like I said I included all the vaguely related gothloli styles as one group. what really stood out is that in magazines you see tons of bright decora or cosplay type styles as if that is "typical ja-fashion" but it was almost zero, much lower than full-on "gothloli" even.

[Anonymous No.8373046]

>>8372975
>referring to lolita as gothloli
how new are you?

[Anonymous No.8373058]

>>8373033

[Anonymous No.8373061]

>>8373023
nice bait, really though, this is comedy gold.

[Anonymous No.8373067]

I'm not really into lolita fashion so I don't know the "correct" terms. I'm more interested in the small individual high-fashion type designers like Backlash or Ifsixwasnine.

[Anonymous No.8373076]

>>8372975
Not surprised that decora is literally just the same 10 or 20 people every week, it's always just the same few in street snaps. Much less variety than in lolita street snaps even.

[Anonymous No.8373084]

OP, I suggest you learn how to reply to people before posting next time. Also, stop being so Korean, no one likes racist Koreans.

[Anonymous No.8373104]

>>8373084
sorry. new here.
English actually. I was honestly a bit disappointed in all the Kpop style, not my thing at all. I'm just learning about the fashion industry and was surprised to see the difference between what I had been told in the media and what I saw on the streets. No need to be hostile.

[Anonymous No.8373124]

>>8373104
>No need to be hostile.
Why are you even here? You not only sound like an idiot, but a weeb in general. I really don't know why you think anything you posted is relevant, useful or even interesting, because it isn't. I hope you're ready to be laughed off the site because this is laughably pathetic.

[Anonymous No.8373141]

>>8373124
I'm here because I'm learning pattern cutting and fashion design at college and doing a year in Japan now to learn some techniques here. Came to cgl expecting some insights on Japanese fashion. Found everyone posting about 90's Fruits magazine style pastel decora and 10-year-out of date kogyaru as if that was Japanese fashion. Got confused. I'll leave now so don't worry. Seriously though, there are really good Japanese fashion designers that people actually wear here. But I have never seen even one of them mentioned on this board. This board is not "J-fashion" its "western fashion based on a sterotype of harajuku"

[Anonymous No.8373153]

>>8373141
>>8373141
This board isn't j-fashion anyways, it's Cosplay and Lolita.

No one here cares about normalfag Japanese fashions, youth and subculture fashions are much more interesting than the culturally starved lot of 'high' fashion, which is just a copy-paste of shitty and uninspired OTT french couture no matter where you go.

>90's Fruits magazine style pastel decora
kek

[Anonymous No.8373170]

ITT butthurt ~fashunista~ bawws about how no one cares about REAL jfashion and everyone is just out of date ita whores!111!

[Anonymous No.8373173]

>>8373141
I... anon, why would anyone interested in generic high fashion shit be on some internet forum that's mostly about anime and weebshit? We don't give a fuck what girls in Japan are wearing or what's trendy, if we did we'd just wear our own country's trendy clothing. We like this stuff because it's an anomaly, not because everyone else is doing it.

[Anonymous No.8373178]

>alt fashions having a low popularity rate in japan

you don't fucking say! i had no idea that in a place like japan these alt fashions wouldn't have a huge huge amount of people wearing them. shock and awe!

[Anonymous No.8373186]

>>8373153
But lolita and decora and all that stuff you see in street snaps ISN'T representative of "Japanese subculture", it's what Japanese subculture was many years ago, but because it conforms to the "kawaii" stereotype people think that's still all there is. The kind-of-dolly style whatever the hell it is, is way more current as a real steet style now.

[Anonymous No.8373188]

>>8373153
>culturally starved 'high' fashion
>copy paste of french couture
lmao I bet you think you sound smart
>implying lolita isn't a copy paste of 18th century shitty and uninspired french couture
>implying lolita isn't shitty OTT

[Anonymous No.8373189]

>>8373153
I hate to be pedantic on 4chan, but it actually is for cosplay and j-fashion.

[Anonymous No.8373192]

>>8373186
It was said earlier that no one is trying to go with what's popular, and if you are I feel bad for you but it explains your closemindedness.

[Anonymous No.8373203]

>>8372975
So does that mean we can have threads for casual fashion from Japan here? Probably not but I'd enjoy those and god knows they wouldn't thrive on /fa/

[Anonymous No.8373205]

>>8373188
>implying lolita isn't a copy paste of 18th century shitty and uninspired french couture

not that anon but no, it's not. you sound like you're trying to sound smart. sorry you're so butthurt that no one cares about boring shit but you're in the wrong place.

[Anonymous No.8373207]

>>8373192
Nobody should care about what is popular, I agree. I don't think everyone should wear the H&M or Uniqlo style that is so popular. But I also don't think styles that have been dead for 10 years and only show a very one-sided view of Japan should be held up as an example of the exuberance of J-fashion, when there are actual up-and-coming fashions in Japan.

[Anonymous No.8373237]

>>8373207


I'll actually give you a real response even though I know you're just going to be stubborn.

People in the west will never have enough info about anything going on in Japan, and even you as a gaijin there(yes even you will never be as in as any Japanese people because they simply do not care about you enough) won't be.

A lot of the info about fashions from Japan coming to the west are, like most things, concentrated on things that are different and interesting. That's just what people want to see. It may not be indicative of anything, but it's relevant to the inquiring weeb minds.

Another thing is that people on /cgl/ in particular care more about nostalgia than they do about trends of the time. Many of these fashions were popular in our younger years and while they may not be now, we are now old enough to afford to wear them. There's also the nature of most of these fashion's histories. Pretty much all of them were created in order to satisfy a conformist youth's desire for individuality and self expression, in some cases to rebel against standards of beauty and even gender roles.

That being said, fashions today don't really hold the same interest that older, fonder remembered ones do, be it nostaligia or just the fact that they're not that interesting.

I love the fact that we're still helping to keep these old fashions alive and while new ones may appear, these are not dead and gone, just dwindling, and that's fine.

Moving on to the next big thing is how fads work, and it lacks the brand and fashion loyalty that many of these fashions thrived on in their heyday, so I don't think jumping bandwagons is the way to go either.

You have a genuine interest in the fashions you are seeing become popular now, and that's great, but you'll likely become the same nostalgia-filled loyalist in a few years that most of us are now, even though you're chiding us for it.

[Anonymous No.8373241]

>>8373207
People do have threads about more current jfashion styles all the time though? General casual jfashion, dolly kei, cult party kei, etc. If you want Japanese high fashion go to /fa/, they're all fucking over Demobaza and Yohji Yamamoto.

[Anonymous No.8373248]

>>8373207
>stop liking what i don't like
there's no exemple, people just post about stuff they like, and nobody but you cares if it's dead either. i actually think contempt for dead fashion is the stupidest attitude anyone who cares about it could ever have.

but if you want to talk about all the great "actual up-and-coming fashions in Japan", go ahead, i'm sure noone will stop you. i seriously would be interested, but honestly it looks like you're all talk...

[Anonymous No.8373264]

>>8373203
id love it too, I like how youthful Asian fashions look compared to the sexy professional or edgy vibe western stuff has and I'm curious about trendy casual j fash.

[Anonymous No.8373289]

>>8373248

That wasn't actually me who said that, but you are right. I should just post stuff I like and see what people make of it. I'm sorry for being stuck-up. Probably not enough coffee. It's 8AM here and I have insomnia...that's kind of why I'm on the board at all....

[Anonymous No.8373299]

I'm just going to point out that if this survey was done in summer, the number of lolitas is going to be a lot smaller. Most lolita is not at all warm weather friendly.

Anyway, these are -subcultures-, they're not meant to be popular and that's where a lot of the appeal is. As far as it being a significant thing in Japan now, who cares? Lolita in the west is booming now, and has its own fads and trends that it developed. Hell we've hopped on trends in the Chinese community a lot lately. But some of us are nostalgic for bygone trends, and we like to talk about it. That's the way most things are. >>8373237 is pretty much spot on in their analysis.

For a dying fashion, there's a remarkable number of brands, events, communities, and publications being supported all over the world.

Honestly, you're saying "lol get with the times, these fashions are so out of date" which is really off putting. /CGL/ is for all fashions originating in Japan, so if people want to post cute and casual jfash, or designer jfash this is the place for it. Yes, lolita makes up the bulk of it, but you can still post. Plenty of us like more than one style.

[Anonymous No.8373309]

>>8373299
I did see some "Chinese lolita" by a young Taiwanese designer which was nice. I don't hate lolita, don't get me wrong. Ahh. this thread is a train wreck and it's all my fault... Can I blame the coffee...really?

[Anonymous No.8373318]

>>8373309
Not talking about lolita based on traditional Chinese clothes (qi lolita, which is older than the hills), I'm talking about trends among the girls in China who wear lolita. The long underskirts that are trendy right now were popularized by the Chinese community.

[Anonymous No.8373321]

>>8373289
>>8373309
don't worry too much, this is the saltiest board on 4chan, we thrive on drama and confrontation.

but if you want to make a fresh start, you could always make another thread, starting with the stuff that interest you this time...

[Anonymous No.8373325]

>>8373067
Hey! Do you have any more recs or links to some brands? I googled ifsixwasnine and the stuff is so cool looking.

Actually, can we just turn this into a thread about casual fashion and interesting brands that other people don't know about since that seems for the best? I remember watching a documentary type of show one time that focused on very small indie designers in Japan and I LOVED what I saw in it!

[Anonymous No.8373331]

>>8373321
...but honestly, it seems this one isn't doing too bad now

[Anonymous No.8373336]

>>8373321
cgl so salty we shit pearls

[Anonymous No.8373337]

>>8373325
Just create a new thread, the beauty of being anon is that you can start afresh. People who aren't already in the thread won't know what this has been turned into and will ignore it.

[Anonymous No.8373339]

>>8373325
>flash site
jesus christ people still use these?

[Anonymous No.8373345]

>>8373325

ifsixwasnine is great for casual look but with super detailed fabric and modelled patterns. Expensive though (like, 2000 bucks for a jacket).

Le Grand Bleu does some similar things a little cheaper.

One place I've heard of but not been yet is "Abilletage", originally a corset specialist but now doing a full range of adult and sexy but very feminine clothes for what I supose you would call "post-lolita". That might have some crossover with the daytime dolly-kei girls I saw in Shibuya but with just a little touch of fetish. They are really famous for "corset tights" which lots of other brands have copied but nowhere near to the same quality.

[Anonymous No.8373363]

>>8373345
>post lolita

Alright, stop it. I was fine with you sharing your info but that is just so fucking stupid sounding.

Get over yourself.

[Anonymous No.8373369]

>>8373345
the last one looks more like straight up goth to me than any kind of lolita, or at least like the kind of small brands with elaborate pieces that gravitate around the goth scene in every country that has one

[Anonymous No.8373370]

>>8373345
Thank you!! I'm going to check those brands out.

Also, you keep saying Dolly fashion but is it possibly Larme-Kei that you keep seeing? The Larme Magazine is really popular in Japan, I heard since it has a alternative flair but can also be really simple. Though It takes a lot of inspiration from the Lolita novel, it seems...

[Anonymous No.8373379]

>>8373345
I've heard Abilletage mentioned on lolita blogs in the past, forget where though.

Also, so that's where all those eBay replica tights come from.

[Anonymous No.8373398]

>>8373369
no, it's really not "goth" although I can see goths would like it. lots of lighter colors, things like soft cute cardigans and so on too. more like a sexier fetishy jane marple maybe? also sorry about "post lolita". everyone at fashion school talks like that. my bad. Once I heard "post Gaultier" to describe... Gaultiers designs for Hermes lol

[Anonymous No.8373469]

>>8373398
i dunno dude, what i'm seeing looks absolutely nothing like jane marple or even fetishy otome.

it just looks like the burlesque kind of goth. if anything it's more pre-lolita than post-lolita.

[Anonymous No.8373499]

>>8373469
that one is very burlesque goth, yes. and very nice too. but here is a snap of the staff in the shop, all items same brand. much more cute and girly.

[Anonymous No.8373515]

>>8373398
This is definitely what Japanese consider goth. From what I've seen it looks like a combination of western romantic goth and sakizou drawing elements mishmashed together.

[Anonymous No.8373562]

>>8373499
still more goth than lolita, dolly or otome to me. look at the design of the website and the place itself, it's clearly going for that feel. btw, goth isn't always black...

[Anonymous No.8373564]

>>8373515
quite a wide range though

[Anonymous No.8373571]

>>8373339
>what is axes femme

[Anonymous No.8373575]

>>8373205
>no, it's not
yes, it is, moreso than what modern Japanese couture designers take from the French. Honestly, you sound like you haven't seen a single Japanese fashion show in your life from the way you talk.

[Anonymous No.8373586]

>>8373299
>Honestly, you're saying "lol get with the times, these fashions are so out of date" which is really off putting. /CGL/ is for all fashions originating in Japan, so if people want to post cute and casual jfash, or designer jfash this is the place for it. Yes, lolita makes up the bulk of it, but you can still post. Plenty of us like more than one style.
Not that anon but I really, really want to make a casual jfash thread. However, I just know that I'd be banned and then told to post it on /fa/.

[Anonymous No.8373599]

>>8373564
>>8373499
either way, no matter what it is or isn't, this brand makes some really nice clothes but it's nothing we haven't seen before, and i doubt it could spawn a distinctive fashion like the shit we talk about on here, dead or not.

[Anonymous No.8373602]

>>8373586
well, here's your time to shine anon... there's already a thread, so nobody would know...

[Anonymous No.8373607]

>>8373575
kek

[Anonymous No.8373641]

>>8373602
a-alright...
Well, what casual Japanese fashion magazines (CanCam and the like) does everyone read, if any?
I'll post some scans I suppose

[Anonymous No.8373650]

>>8373641

[Anonymous No.8373653]

>>8373650

[Anonymous No.8374254]

>>8373586
>However, I just know that I'd be banned and then told to post it on /fa/.
how new are you, exactly? we've had threads for casual jfash many times. or did i miss some kerfluffle where people were told not to post jfash on the jfash board?

the only shit i have seen shooed off to /fa/ is the fucking stupid tumblr trend stuff that has nothing to do with Japan.