Monetization of cosplay

[Anonymous No.8325531]

Thoughts on people trying to monetize cosplay for their own gain? Patreon, kickstarter, selling tutorials, selling prints, ect. What do seagulls think of it? Is cosplay ever going to be a viable income?
Pic related, they have a Patreon now.

[Anonymous No.8325540]

>>8325531
I think it's tacky, but I also can't hate if some suckers out there want to pay for someone else's hobby.

Also, who are these girls?

[Anonymous No.8325543]

Unpopular opinion time. I think with the right amount of business savvy you can make cosplay into something more than a hobby. Look at Yaya, she's paying a mortgage with it.

[Anonymous No.8325549]

If you're hot, good at making clothes, have a decent photographer, aren't an asshole and totally fine with the idea of beta males jacking off to your pictures then go for it.

[Anonymous No.8325557]

>>8325540
Lyz Brickley and Darshelle Stevens. Darshelle isn't actually a cosplayer unlike this pic would lead you to believe, she does cosplay photography and had a bunch of drama over a failed kickstarter. Lyz cosplays but I haven't heard any drama about her despite her hanging around a bunch of lolcows like Jnig.

[Anonymous No.8325564]

A lot of cosplayers got into costume design and shit and I find that very respectable.

[Anonymous No.8325571]

>>8325543
>paying a mortgage with cosplay
Top kek

[Anonymous No.8325602]

>>8325531
Their patreon is a joke. $500 to pick Lyz's next cosplay from a list she makes of two choices.

[Anonymous No.8325613]

>>8325602
seriously? cosplayers are fucking delusional.

[Anonymous No.8325630]

>>8325531
https://www.patreon.com/darshelleandlyz
>mfw I wanted to do a similar thing but my photographer flaked.
feelsbad.jpg

[Anonymous No.8326263]

>>8325549
Spoiler alert, "beta males" are jacking off to your pictures regardless if you sell prints or not.

[Anonymous No.8326309]

>>8325557
Can we not derail the thread into another journey beyond discussion? I've had enough BGZ self posts.

[Anonymous No.8326366]

Saw this on my feed today and kinda related. She really misses the point here about crowdfunding and how it's "harmless". It really isn't. Cosplay is a hobby, if you can't afford to make a costume from the beginning, then just don't fucking make it. To be honest even from a business perspective, I hate seeing people come up with ideas and asking for money. It's basically because they know there's a huge risk of it not working, hence why they won't put forward their own money. Don't pull innocent people into your stupid idea, go away and use your brain before you decide you're definitely going to try it out. Also, most of these schemes are a huge scam and most of the money doesn't even go towards the "intended" purpose. I guess it's easy for her to try and justify begging people for money, seeing as that's all she does now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju2Agt943W4

[Anonymous No.8326427]

>>8326366
>Cosplay is a hobby
So fucking this!!!
Everytime i see a Patreon of Kickstarter for cosplays, it makes me puke. Is a totally selfish hobby, and i dont care if you give prints or special photos.

Basically, you are making a costume for you and ask people thier manoey and you offer them... Photos? Okay... What does the people get from giving money? Unless there are special naked pictures to jack off, there is little to no reward cause the cosplayer will end posting their photos in their mandatory Tumblrs, DeviantArts and so on.

So, save yourself your money for cosplays like a lot of people do.

[Anonymous No.8326431]

Patreon really rustles my jimmies for some reason, unless it's helping fund people like webcomic artists who are making free content for consumption. It's just a fancier version of the tacky "donate" button.

Related, do cosplay prints actually sell if they aren't sexytime skimpy outfits aimed at thirsty neckbeards? I've been curious about this, but have no idea what the market is for normal cosplay with nice photography.

[Anonymous No.8326440]

>>8326309
what the fuck happened in summary with that though since no one wants to get into a big discussion about it

[Anonymous No.8326454]

Fuck all the haters. If fucking fan artists can make money drawing and selling fan art, cosplayers who craft costumes and spend more money into the craft vs digital fan artist can do the same.

[Anonymous No.8326457]

>>8326427
>>Cosplay is a hobby
>So fucking this!!!

Maybe to you, but there are many others who do not. Everything can be a hobby or a profession. Get the fuck off your high horse. People can do what the fuck they want.

[Anonymous No.8326462]

>>8326454
This

I don't see anyone bitching about Sakimichan making half a Million dollars a year drawing existing characters.
But this is okay, this world is full of double standards.

[Anonymous No.8326465]

>>8325571
>Massive in denial.

[Anonymous No.8326467]

>>8326462
>I don't see anyone bitching about Sakimichan making half a Million dollars a year drawing hentai of existing characters.
FTFY

[Anonymous No.8326470]

>>8326457
If you want it to be more than a hobby, put in the hard work and money yourself. The expectation that someone else should foot the bill for you going out and living your dream is unbelievably selfish.

[Anonymous No.8326473]

>>8326467
>>8326462
Well that's because you don't frequent /ic/ - plenty of people bitch about how much she makes as an artist

[Anonymous No.8326475]

>>8326470
Then by your point fan artists should stop getting paid for their art because it is their hobby and shouldn't be paid by others.

[Anonymous No.8326483]

>>8325543
>>8325571
>>8326465
I laugh at the salt everytime. I don't like Yaya as a personality, but I won't deny the fact she's got some really good craftsmanship, which is what initially got her noticed. It disappoints me that she chose to start getting her tits out more recently, because she's worth more than that. Most cosplayers of her era probably could have been making the living she has if they'd bothered to continue putting in the work or hadn't just had a mental breakdown.

[Anonymous No.8326488]

>>8326475
Getting paid for working hard at providing a service isn't the same as begging people for money.

[Anonymous No.8326493]

People are butthurt because they can't make the money from their costumes. Sandy vaginas all up in this thread.

[Anonymous No.8326498]

>>8326488
How is cosplay not hard work? You can say it's a hobby all you want but you're setting yourself up to be left in the dust. Sorry you can't deal with change.

[Anonymous No.8326503]

>>8326493

[Anonymous No.8326504]

>>8325571
But she does. This is just a fact. And JNig makes $100,000+ before taxes. Before you try to say she's lying, it's been verified time and time again that her appearance fees range from $6,000-$10,000 and consider how many cons she goes to as a guest or to do promotional work.

Whether people want to admit it or not, there are cosplayers who make a lot of money doing what they do, no matter how much you hate them. That being said, the amount of cosplayers who actually can make a successful career out of it is hardly a fraction of how many want to. It's kind of like wanting to be a professional singer or comic book artist; yeah people do it, but it's incredibly unwise to put all your eggs in that basket.

[Anonymous No.8326530]

>>8326498
Different anon, I've been cosplaying for 6 years now and i'm the only person out of a group of friends who hasn't tried to make money off of it. I've almost stopped talking to them because they gave me so much shit for not doing the same.

>"oh, but it's easy money anon"
>"obviously you're just not good enough"
>"how can you not want to be famous? it's so good!"

I actively chose not to be cosfamous purely because I didn't want to. It didn't appeal to me at all, it didn't provide me with hardly any kind of transferrable skills and I didn't want people I don't even know constantly telling me to do things or giving me hassle for no reason. However, I wouldn't turn around to tell someone else what to do with their life. If someone wants to make money from cosplay, then by all means do it.

But onto the most important part here. Only 1 out of 3 of these people I know have actually achieved to a point where they can make a decent amount of money. The other 2 basically survive on money from their parents or asking people online for donations. To me, that's not really a sustainable life and given the choice, i'd rather go out and work a 9-5 job for cosplay money than rely on other people. It can't be any fun or comfort knowing that your livelihood is basically dependent on other people's generosity. I want to feel sorry for the fact they didn't quite make it, but I can't because it was their active choice to seek it at the expense of a secure job.

tl;dr not everyone who doesn't want to be cosfamous is jelly

[Anonymous No.8326533]

>>8326467
I'd draw cartoon dicks for much less so I don't blame her.

[Anonymous No.8326540]

>>8326530
This has nothing to do with being cosfamous. This is about offering helpful services related to the craft. Not everyone does it as a hobby. Just like any other profession/hobby out there.

[Anonymous No.8326543]

>>8326530
There's no proof that you could have actually been cosfamous, so saying that you simply "didn't want to be" doesn't really mean much. Unless I see some proof otherwise I'm just going to assume jealous fatty.

[Anonymous No.8326545]

>>8326540
There is nothing helpful about the girls in OP's pic.

[Anonymous No.8326547]

>>8326543
>jealous fatty

Stay classy, /cgl/

[Anonymous No.8326558]

>>8326475
You sound like an idiot mate

[Anonymous No.8326562]

>>8326454
>>8326457
>>8326475
>>8326498
>>8326540
>>8326543
You're all missing the point entirely.

[Anonymous No.8326577]

>>8326562
Enlighten us.

[Anonymous No.8326595]

>>8326577
How is someone asking fans for money so they can make a costume providing a service to anyone?

[Anonymous No.8326609]

>>8326595
Who's asking for money to make a costume?

[Anonymous No.8326624]

>>8326609
Different anon, but did you not read the OP or are you just entirely ignorant to the cosplay scene on Kickstarter? It's literally nothing but people asking for hundreds to thousands of dollars to pay for their costumes and convention trips. No one is bitching about the people who make money selling costumes, props, wigs, etc. That's totally legit.

[Anonymous No.8326655]

>>8326595

you get to fap to the finished cosplay

[Anonymous No.8326670]

>>8326624
I don't see where the girls in OP pic are asking for people to pay for their cosplays here >>8325630
I just don't see this as begging for money.

[Anonymous No.8326696]

>>8326670
I think Summer has come early on this board. Either that or blatant selfposting from Darshelle and Lyz.

[Anonymous No.8326725]

>>8326696
>sefposting
Typical response to anyone who disagrees with the popular opinion on here. I had no idea who these two were before this thread, I just know how to use the internet and read.

[Anonymous No.8326740]

>>8326670
Not girls in OP, but people like Ginny McQueen. Just look at these "rewards"

[Anonymous No.8326741]

>>8326454
>fucking fan artists can make money drawing and selling fan ar
THANK YOU.

There's a girl that I used to follow on tumblr that is making money like this and her style is purely basic 2D without shades or anything.

>>8325531
Lyz at least gives you videos of how she makes her stuff, they seem to be really basic but if you don't know much they might work.
Darshelles videos are really stupid, she does the same edit to every photo of her (like Beethy) and she has already videos of how she edited them

[Anonymous No.8326764]

>>8326741
Oh wow yeah, these look exactly the same.
inb4 "hurr durr selfpost" Not Darshelle, but I am a fan of her work.

[Anonymous No.8326769]

>>8326764
All dat shoop

[Anonymous No.8326771]

>>8326740
When was the last time she actually cosplayed?

[Anonymous No.8326794]

>>8326427

most of the Patreons don't even mail out their perks. most of the Patreons put out some rule that you have to donate for a couple of months before you get anything. Donators often don't get anything unless they're donating $20-$100 for 3 months straight. (talking about phyiscal items that the creator promises to ship. Digital content like voice recordings, links to HD images, etc often get through to the donator within a month after they have been charged)

Yeah, Patreon is more about giving than receiving, but don't expect a handwritten letter from a cute girl just because you made a one time donation of $20

[Anonymous No.8326842]

>>8325531
It's a free market; they're providing a service that people are willing to pay for. If you feel you can make money this way, I don't see any problem with it.

[Anonymous No.8327176]

>>8326794
What are you basing these statements on?

[Anonymous No.8327189]

>>8326462
I bitch about her. But tbh I'd rather bitch about Kr0nprinz whom is about 10 times worse because he outright copies art and makes thousands with it.

I don't like her art enough to justify that amount of money since everything she does is the same thing she drew before but it could be worse.

[Anonymous No.8327235]

>>8326545
I'm not even talking about the dumb girls in the OP, I'm talking about other costume makers and cosplayers who take it even farther. These people should not be bunched into the group of shitty people who only want free money.

[Anonymous No.8327240]

>>8327176

donating to multiple people on Patreon and seeing how long it takes for them to send something.

Guys will mostly do things right away. Very few of the girls actually send something within 2 months.

[Anonymous No.8327311]

>>8325613
>>8325613
>>8325613
>>8325613
>>8325613
This is America dimwit...

[Anonymous No.8327364]

>>8326771
How ironic that she's just posted up a new video about her "old" cosplay. Top kek.

[Anonymous No.8327368]

>>8325531
>Thoughts on people trying to monetize cosplay for their own gain?

It's called capitalism ya socialist pig

[Anonymous No.8327377]

>>8325602
>>8327311
>>8325613
>list of two choices
Where are you reading this? I see that it says a list, and they're taking suggestions from peopl of what is on it, but not the number of choices.

[Anonymous No.8327386]

>>8325602

>implying some fedora won't still cough up $500 anyway

[Anonymous No.8327407]

>>8327386
>>implying some fedora won't still cough up $500 anyway

That's loose change to a lot of neckbeards out there. Seen some video of an AA artist auction coughing up $800 for a mere poster print.

[Anonymous No.8327424]

>>8327386
>>8327407
>Not understanding Milestone goals.

[Anonymous No.8327453]

>>8326740

She has gone full tumblr, the only thing she does nowadays is cry about depression and how evil men are

The guys who donate to her are even worse than the beta enablers of other cosplayers. Imagine donating money to a chick just so she can moan at you about how privileged you are.

[Anonymous No.8327563]

As someone whose watched a lot of independent artists and comic writers + artist combos use kick starter to fund printed books and more recently convert to patreon as their preference I don't see the difference in doing the same in cosplay. At the end of the day you're creating content with your skills that someone wants to see. If someone wants to support you (aka give you money), I don't see how that's any different than buying a book because you like the author.

So do I look down on people doing it? Not inherently no. Everyone wants to make their living doing something they enjoy, that's easy and fun. And you're lieing if you say you wouldn't jump at the chance if you could. So what's one small step in that direction really?

But crowd funding for a printed book I get. You get the book, there's usually bonus exclusive content inside. People enjoy having access to that.

But I'm at a loss what rewards are worth providing cosplay wise.

Perhaps having your patrons automatically entered into a raffle to win the costume or prop you've made using the money might be a good one. Whilst releasing exclusive 'this is how I made it' material to patrons as well so everyone gets something.

But 'pick a print' seems a bit silly. If you don't keep that print option exclusive to your patrons then it's kind of cheating them out of their money in my opinion. But then you can't use that print. I think if you're going to do prints you shouldn't offer them as a reward you should just have your print shop.

Another possible reward would be picking your next cosplay and an exclusive shoot location and only your patrons having access to the rewards. But this both limits your use of prints and displaying your work and comes across a bit creepy to me.

I've also seem so many art friends get completely burnt out trying to keep up with promised rewards. It's actually a lot of pressure and not everyone stays nice when they're not getting their monies worth.

[Anonymous No.8327577]

>>8327563
Tl;dr version:

Crowd funded cosplay can work. But to my mind, to really be doing it for your patrons, as opposed to using the easily duped to fund your interests, would mean giving yourself over to their decisions entirely. And would probably take up a hell of a lot of personal time to keep on top of and keep churning out content.

Your sanity and bank account are probably better off with a 9-5 job that pays the rent and has wiggle room for a hobby and do it for yourself and offer prints if you can guarantee a profit per sale.

[Anonymous No.8327884]

>>8327453
How long has she had a Patreon?

[Anonymous No.8327947]

In my honest opinion, I don't believe there is a single thing, tangible or otherwise, which should "not" be for sale. The only people who should be given scrutiny are buyers. If someone wants to make money by selling actual fecal matter, and some retard dumps $3,000 into 10lbs of pure shit, I don't see how I can criticize someone for selling actual shit to someone and making a sum of capital for it.

However, I personally would never put money into looking at one semi-hot girl dressed up as a cartoon character. Especially if she doesn't do anything worthwhile for my money. I'm not so much of a pathetic beta that I need to receive a Skype phone call to believe I am loved by this girl I am donating my hard-earned capital to. If putting money in meant that they were putting on performances or coming up with more varied tutorials for more complicated things, or attempting to fund events at conventions, or hell, even just venturing about, trying to score extremely key locations for cosplay shoots (For example, a flight to London for Hellsing cosplay, or a trip to a Florida space station for JJBA cosplay, etc.). From what I've seen now, I'm not putting a dime down towards any of it, and there are countless people with my sentiment. However, I'm sure in the future, with more variety and markets being grabbed at, we'll see something worth a pretty penny to fund.

[Anonymous No.8327977]

>>8326427
ive been looking for a way to describe cosplay, and selfish hobby is the best way

[Anonymous No.8327982]

>>8326475
They usually pay for their own tools dumbfuck. Fanart or art in general is a service to those who order. Cosplay is done for yourself because you love the character/series. Therefore when you ask for donations, you sound incredibly selfish and stupid. Hence the term, coswhore. Now if you were a commissioner trying to start your own business, like an actual artist, with honest work instead of the Kim Kardashian method with trying to sell an entire book of selfies to your "fans", then maybe you'd get respect.

[Sieg heil !szTe0VDR1w No.8328027]

>>8326764
It is the same shit

Bitch has no talent I wish she would move out of this town and fuck off back to the Midwest

[Anonymous No.8328062]

>>8328027
You know her?

[sieg heil !szTe0VDR1w No.8328117]

>>8328062
met her a few times, guys i went to high school with used her a few times for cheap editing jobs

[Anonymous No.8328120]

>>8325531
People should be allowed to do this stuff and people should have the freedom to contribute to such things.
But a lot of the time the people asking for money like this are ugly autistic fags who want money for nothing without having to work for it.

[Anonymous No.8328138]

Can we have a Patreon to keep fat boy Beethy out of America? Beyond the Journey is the biggest scam and you all fall for his Nigri bait every day.

[sieg heil !szTe0VDR1w No.8328139]

>>8328120
>But a lot of the time the people asking for money like this are ugly autistic fags who want money for nothing without having to work for it.

yeah, im sure you won't find many people like that in a hobby filled with grown men and women dedicated to dressing like their favorite cartoon characters/trying to make a living from it

[Anonymous No.8328143]

Is there a goFundMe for Brea Biaa so she can get new makeup? She looks like Sting.

[Anonymous No.8328448]

>>8326740
Oh lord no. I haven't heard a single positive story of meeting her. She always looks so sad, bored, and sometimes doesn't even comes in cosplay to her own autograph signings.

[Anonymous No.8328454]

>>8328117
What's she like in person? After hearing all the Journey Beyond drama and not much else, I'm really curious.

[sieg heil !szTe0VDR1w No.8328478]

>>8328454
average fake geek/average young white girl

idk what to tell you, she was in a room with a guy who made his living in MMA fighting for a few years, an ex-army ranger, a funny photog and a few dudes who were way the fuck more interesting than some chick we brought on to edit some pics part time

[Anonymous No.8328482]

>>8326366
Crowdfunding is basically the worst thing to happen to the modern business enterprise.

Companies assume a risk when they create a product or service. They're ponying up the money upfront, to create a product (usually) and expect some kind of return for the time and money invested. Obviously, theres an inherent risk involved if the product or service isn't successful.

By crowd funding you eliminate the risk. You've already made your money for your projected sales up front. Theres also virtually no reinforcement to actually deliver. So many kickstarters have failed and the people who put into the crowd funding got burned, where as the guy who got kickstarted can walk away with no accountability.

[Anonymous No.8328494]

>>8327982
Go kill yourself. You completely missed the point.

[Anonymous No.8328519]

I'm still waiting to hear what service these people provide by begging for money over the Internet. They're making a costume for themselves. How does this benefit anyone else? Or do you people arguing for this type of shit not understand the definition of service?

[Anonymous No.8328602]

>>8328519

I have a costume fetish

It benefits me because i fap to their pictures

[Anonymous No.8328605]

>>8328602
But you can do that without paying them a dime. Plenty of free fap material all over the Internet.

[Anonymous No.8328606]

>>8328494
Point of what?

[Anonymous No.8328709]

>>8326454
>>8326462
Yep. Making cosplay is actually more difficult and more expensive than making fan art.

[Anonymous No.8328714]

>>8326488
drawing is incredibly easy and it's fucking free. while learning to sew and making props properly will take you a few decades. have you seen little kids being super pro at cosplaying? no. but you can see a shitton of kids being pro at music or painting because it is far easier.

keep the denial.

[Anonymous No.8328720]

>>8325630
>DARSHELLE STEVENS AND LYZ BRICKLEY IS CREATING COSPLAY AND PHOTOGRAPHY
>is
... did they not pass 1st grade?

[Anonymous No.8328788]

>>8327453
That chick is retarded. She doesn't cosplay anymore. At least the chicks in OP do cosplays with the money they receive and can offer new outfits asked by their fans.

[Anonymous No.8328816]

>>8325630
>Why should you donate to this patreon?
>Because we can give you advice

[Anonymous No.8328838]

>>8328714
Can't tell of bait, but I'll bite anyway.

>drawing is incredibly easy and it's fucking free. while learning to sew and making props properly will take you a few decades.
This is the exact type of shit weebs on dA who think they're amazing artists because they can copy anime art say. Being a great artist takes years of practice, probably more than sewing/props for most people. Only someone who knows jack shit about art would possibly say this. If drawing is so easy, how about you draw us a hyper realistic picture of JNig with a time stamp then tell us it's not legit for an artist to charge money?

>have you seen little kids being super pro at cosplaying? no. but you can see a shitton of kids being pro at music or painting because it is far easier.
lolwut. How many kids do you know who can replicate Da Vinci? I want to meet some of the geniuses you apparently hang out with. As for music, anyone you know at pro level has most likely been doing it for years, unless they're instrument is piano, then it's possible they've just been practicing like crazy for a year.

I definitely think which is easier is a person to person thing, but for me, drawing and music are so much harder than sewing and making props that I literally laughed out loud at this post. The thing with sewing and props are that it's pretty much an entirely technical art. Practice is important, obviously, but it IS 100% possible to make a solid, good quality garment your first time using a sewing machine if you do a shit ton of research before hand and really utilize the internet's countless resources. That's not really the case with drawing and especially music. It doesn't matter how much research you do, if you don't spend hundreds of hours practicing singing or an instrument, you're not going to be good.

[Anonymous No.8328902]

>>8326740

I get hesitant when people put "skype calls" or "meet ups" as their perk. I like these people, but not enough that I have questions for them . Can't force friendships.

[Anonymous No.8328935]

Do you still get a Patreon reward when the girl isn't working on a cosplay that month?

[Anonymous No.8328939]

>>8327884
At least the last year. It's pretty much her only source of income as far as I know, since the split up with her last bf.

[Anonymous No.8328944]

>>8328720
I think that's more to do with Patreon's title script than their bad grammar.

[Anonymous No.8328947]

>>8328935
You can answer that question.

[Anonymous No.8328949]

Anyone here have a Patreon?

I have a question.

Do you still see a donator's address after their payment has gone through and they stopped pledging (one time donators) ?

I donated to a cosplay vlogger, but it's been 4 months and she hasn't sent me my reward. I was thinking that maybe she didn't send it because she doesn't have access to my shipping address anymore since I stopped pledging. I don't want to message her about it because I don't want to sound entitled.

I'm saving up money so I can make monthly donations later on if this is the case. I don't want to do a one time donation and not get anything. If I have to donate for more than 3 months straight for her to see my shipping address then I will do that.

[Anonymous No.8328952]

>>8328947

>girl promises WIP photos and prints of that month's photoshoot
>doesn't do any cosplay or photoshoots for months
>no one gets anything

[Anonymous No.8328964]

>>8326740
The fact she thinks $60 is worth 5 minutes of her time on Skype speaks volumes about her ego. Unless you're like Britney Spears level famous, that's just straight up crazy.

But hey, if someone wants to spend their money on it, I guess more power to her. I sure as fuck would love to make $60 for every beta I talk to for 5 minutes. Hell, I'd be happy to talk to them for an hour for that kind of cash.

[Anonymous No.8328965]

>>8328964

the high price is there to dissuade casuals from making joke donations. If you really want to talk to her, then you pay $60. She is just a college student who probably really busy so the high price is there so only those who are very serious about wanting to talk to her will pay that price. It also gives her less of a workload. If it were any cheaper, she'd have to deal with dozens of people wanting to talk to her on Skype.

[Anonymous No.8329011]

>>8327563
>But I'm at a loss what rewards are worth providing cosplay wise.

You just said it. A printed book. Reika does it and it sells like candy.

[Anonymous No.8329029]

What do you guys actually expect from Patreons?

The rewards are overpriced because the content creator is supposed to get money. You're not paying them for a gift that is actually worth its cash value. They are just little incentives.

[Anonymous No.8329032]

>>8329011
This. I'm pledging $1 to Maridah, and that enters me into her monthly raffle for her saber photobook, which is not available on her storenvy. All pledgers are entered into the raffle. I like her enough that I don't mind doing this even if its a small chance.

[Anonymous No.8329145]

Why dont you try streaming videogames while in cosplay?

[Anonymous No.8329148]

>>8329145

[Anonymous No.8329159]

>>8329145

scared of being doxxed and cyberbullying

[Anonymous No.8329211]

>>8328838
Sorry but no. Sewing like a pro is way harder and more expensive than drawing like a pro in a laptop, it is even more expensive than photography (just search for the price of sergers and an embroidery machine). As I said there are highly gifted kids who are pro at music and painting at age 8-9 but you'll never see anyone sewing like professionals until they reach 30-50 years old, and most of them never, ever reach that level. Even Yaya messes up a lot. You need industrial machines to achieve anything remotely close to professional sewing, which are super expensive. "Tools" for drawing are super cheap or even free and anyone can have them and drawing nice fan arts.

[Anonymous No.8329224]

LOL'd at people who are implying that cosplay needs less work than other art forms when in fact you need to learn those art forms first in order to make one fucking cosplay.

[Anonymous No.8329234]

>>8329211
I feel like Yaya has a lot of skill and potential but she feels the need to churn out 10 new costumes a year so never really has the time to develop new skills or refine old ones. I think of how badly patterned her Super Sonico nurse was and think if she gave herself more time it wouldn't have given her Frankenstein shoulders.

[Anonymous No.8329234,1]

>>8328138
Biggest scam was The Wild Things by Anna Fischer, Journey Beyond didn't raise as much as that kickstarter.

[Anonymous No.8329433]

>>8328965
Hi Ginny. Do you have a timer for your 5 min Skype calls? How awkward are they usually?

[Anonymous No.8329750]

>>8328720
>>8328944
This. No one is that stupid.

[Anonymous No.8329885]

>>8328965
Ginny's no college student; she's in her 30s. She's already had a couple of long-time boyfriends, a husband, a divorce, and a couple of boy-toys after that.

She has health issues exasperated by psychological issues, and no way to pay for care for either. And no real marketable skills. So she trades off her looks without going whole hog and whoring herself out or getting a sugar daddy.

[Anonymous No.8329891]

So why don't these girls just go the escort/courtesan route? $300 to start, 'good' ones $1000 an hour.

I mean, they're already half way to prostituting themselves out, why not do the deed and get ten times the dough?

[sieg heil !szTe0VDR1w No.8329907]

>>8329145
>>8329159
too bad ai_honey was the one who was actually cyber bullying people on here

[Anonymous No.8329952]

>>8326427
Two of my favourite cosplayers have been doing this for a while. They sell CDs and photobooks for $100+ a pop and people actually buy them.

It makes no sense to me at all. Who the hell would buy a CD full of pics for $100?

[Anonymous No.8329964]

>>8329891
You sound fat.

[Anonymous No.8329965]

There's a lot of salt about crowdfunding in this thread, but if people are willing to support artists they like with their own money, I don't know why you should care. Check out Amanda Palmer's Art of Asking.

[Anonymous No.8329975]

>>8329891
you can't see the difference between getting in costume and having sex. what is it like knowing you're going to die never knowing the touch of a woman?

[Anonymous No.8329995]

>>8328478
>>8328027
You sound bitter, sieg. Girl wasn't interested in you?

[Anonymous No.8330006]

>>8329211
... you're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.8330008]

>>8329975
What? They know every guy paying them is jerking off to them. I'm just saying complete the deal for a lot more money.

(And I know the difference between getting into costume and having sex. I've done both, and both together.)

[Anonymous No.8330023]

>>8330008
>paying to jerk off.
Why is this a thing you idiots say? We all know they can jerk off to the same picture online. Why would anyone pay for it?

[Anonymous No.8330028]

>>8330023
I never said I did it, and I have no idea why they would pay for it. But they obviously do.

[Anonymous No.8330035]

>>8325531
This is so dumb. What does them dressed up as Evangelion characters have to do with their Patreon? https://youtu.be/xqGFVthlkhc

[Anonymous No.8330044]

Why the fuck are you all so concerned about how other people want to spend their money? If you don't like what these people are doing, don't give them your money. I can't believe that on this stupid Chinese website, people will pay hundreds of dollars for plastic action figures, brand name frilly clothes, and admission to sweaty autism festivals, but if someone else wants to buy a CD of photos of their cosplay waifu or pay for some of their time, you all lose your shit. Get over yourselves. Honestly /cgl/ is the most pretentious and catty board outside of /lgbt/.

[Anonymous No.8330063]

>>8330044

[Anonymous No.8330064]

Anons complaining which is easier art or cosplay. Both need years of practice before being able to master but the problem here is that coswhores are taking short cuts, and don't even pay for their own tools or materials, most of which is barely needed anyways because the most popular cosplays always end up requiring next to no materials kek. You fucking can't tell me Jnigs hot gluing shit to a bra or a bikini is just as easy as art, if that were the case, she wouldn't be commissioning so much from her personal artist. She'd draw herself, but she can't. Even Yaya gave up years ago. Nice try jelly cunts who can't draw for shit kek. Maybe pick a "career" that isn't solely about selling yourself? Don't try to compare yourself to us, fucking cam whores.

[Anonymous No.8330069]

>>8330044
CD whore detected.

[sieg heil !szTe0VDR1w No.8330100]

>>8329995
you know i am in my late 20's and in a LTR right of 5 years?

[Anonymous No.8330112]

You know what's better about being an artist vs coswhore? You don't need to suck a photographers dick to sell their work kekeke. Without a camera, all your skills are useless unless you take commissions. In which case congratulations, you're better than most efamous cosplayers! However, even that means nothing if you aren't making enough to pay the bills. With how much crowfunding and begging everyone is doing, it doesn't sound very convincing.

[Anonymous No.8330116]

>>8330100
>LTR
Is that why you're so thirsty?

[Anonymous No.8330241]

>>8330100
Alright, so then what did this bitch do to make you so salty?

[Anonymous No.8330243]

>>8330035
>click bait.

[Anonymous No.8330245]

>>8328709
At least with making art you are actually creating something to give to somebody. With cosplay you're just giving to... yourself.

Although I have no fucking clue why a deviantart fanartist deserves $50,000 per month. What the flying fuck.

[Anonymous No.8330292]

>>8330245
looks like she does a lot of tutorial/making of/help stuff which I guess people want to know/see. the prices themselves aren't that bad per month but she has a lot of patrons.

[Anonymous No.8330604]

I cried a bit today.

Today was my birthday. Months ago I made a donation to a cosplayer on Patreon. I was really hoping she'll send me my reward before my birthday so I can look forward to the reward as my birthday present. I'm really lonely and not much goes on in my life. I waited months for her to send me something. That one thing from her was supposed to make me happy. It never came.

[Anonymous No.8330664]

>>8326431
Just from personal experience, the only prints any of my friends have are of tits.
Jnigs tits to be exact.

[Anonymous No.8330699]

>>8330604
I'm not the best artist in the world, but maybe I could draw you something for your birthday after I get off work tomorrow? Name something and I'll give it a try. Happy birthday.

[Anonymous No.8330715]

>>8330604
I would have sent you the reward in a timely manner, anon. We aren't all douchebags. Happy birthday -internet hug-

[Anonymous No.8330721]

>>8328816
do they have advice on dick sucking?

[Anonymous No.8330725]

>>8330721
Personally I prefer to get mine from your mom.

[Anonymous No.8330730]

>>8330604

>>8330604

Do a charge back? Well, technically not fulfilling rewards is against terms of service, so report her.

Also, feel better! Sorry about the shitty birthday news, hopefully things turn up Milhouse.

[Anonymous No.8330736]

>>8330730
This. Also tell us who she is.

[Anonymous No.8330826]

>>8330736
also curious

[Anonymous No.8330829]

>>8330604
Are you the same guy posting this over and over again? Just confront her. A patreon reward is a reward for your payment, you deserve it.

[sieg heil !szTe0VDR1w No.8330843]

>>8330604
happy birthday anon, do you want to play a game together?

[Anonymous No.8330847]

>>8330843
I do if you're serious.

[Anonymous No.8331232]

If a Patreon doesn't send you an reward:

-it probably got lost/destroyed in customs
-the mailing address was wrong and got returned
-your payment did not get confirmed in time or your payment was declined by your bank
-the content creator is unable to see your shipping address because you deleted your pledge

Tips if you want reward:
-DO NOT DONATE big amount for one month if you want something. Once you delete your pledge, they cannot ship you anything
-Donate the smallest amount possible that gets you something you want. DO NOT DELETE your pledge for at least 3 months. Always check the box that says what reward you want

[Anonymous No.8331289]

If Patreons are well-aware of the issue of not seeing mailing address after a pledge is deleted, then they are at fault for not writing the addresses and other info down. Patrons don't pay anything until a few days after a month. Even if someone becomes a Patron during the last week, the Patreon can write down their address and check later on if their payment clears, then they can send the reward.

[Anonymous No.8331297]

>>8328714
>drawing is incredibly easy
>drawing is free

Speaking as someone who've been doing cosplay for four years, maybe, and art for eight...
Nope.

Sure, anyone can draw. Anyone can eyeball a sketch and anyone can open mspaint and scribble something. But knowing how it works and how to do it? Understanding colours and image composition and anatomy and movement, not to mention the specifics of whatever technique you chose as your craft? Not quite as easy.
Money is also more complex of an issue. A pencil sketch on a scrap piecw of paper is pretty much free and I do agree that it is easier to art on a budget than to cosplay on a budget, but as soon as you move on to more serious artistery it gets more expensive. Digital art is pretty cheap, because there's freeware and tablets are a one-time investment, but any traditional art? Ho boy. Let me tell you that I recently bought a brush for something like €12. Admittedly, it was a tad overpriced because of the particular store but I doubt I'd gotten away with anything less than €7.

With that said, the craft that goes into cosplay shouldn't be diminished. I can sew and make props well enough. A pair of pants and a medium sized, non functioning gun isn't a problem. I would never get away with something like a wedding dress, though. Or a mecha suit. But even then that's just more advanced cosplays. You don't have to go with the plugsuit or the gundam or the ballgown, just like you don't have to go with the in depth color study in water colors or the renaissance style oil paintings.

A queen of hearts cosplay is probably worth more than some anime chibi sketch, but a realistic oil portrait sure as hell is worth more than your run of the mill seifuku-and-a-wig cosplay.

[Anonymous No.8331303]

It really best to donate before a content creator has made any new content. You do not get rewards or get charged until the creator has uploaded something. If you made multiple donations and still haven't gotten anything, you had bad luck because you donated after something was uploaded and before the creator could see your pledge.

If you plan on making multiple donations, do not delete pledge ever. Especially during the holidays (Valentine's Day, Christmas). You will miss out on special seasonal perks. Patreons can only care for people that donated for a long time. If you get nothing, keep donating for months on end and only delete your pledge once you get the reward.

If something goes wrong, you cannot message Patreons if you are not donating to them.

[Anonymous No.8331713]

>>8331297
Sorry but you aren't right. Sewing is harder and more expensive than all you said. But because there are very few people who actually do sew in comparison with any other super popular art form, you can't simply know about it. I have played instruments, I have do paintings and I do sew. I can objectively say sewing something well is harder.

[Anonymous No.8331718]

>>8331297
Call me back the day you'll find a highly gifted kid who can sew something in a professional way and we'll talk then.

[Anonymous No.8331748]

>>8331713
>Sewing is harder and more expensive than all you said
this actually depends on the type of artiste you are, if you are a digital one, you can't complain about prices

[Anonymous No.8331796]

>>8331232
This is a really stupid blanket statement. If you pay for something you should get it. Not all patreons make you give them money for several months before you get a reward. I'm a seller and I take responsibility and replace lost or damaged packages because that's just good business. The people not doing this are idiots.

[Anonymous No.8331798]

>>8330035
Well you watched it, didn't you?

[Anonymous No.8331820]

Patreon doesn't really have a good message system. If you currently are not donating to a Patreon, then you cannot message them. Let's say you make a one time donation and delete your pledge once you get charged. A few months past and you didn't get your reward. You want to talk to the Patreon about it, but you cannot message them. There is no way to comment on their page or send them a message. You could have sworn there was an option before, then you realize you only saw the option to contact them while your pledge was active. If you want to message a Patreon, you have to pledge then delete your pledge once they respond. It's a jerky move, but it's the only way you can make contact using the website interface.

Otherwise you have to resort to using Facebook, Instagram, or their public email.

[Anonymous No.8333416]

>>8329211
This is so incorrect I just can't. You're a fucking retard. No 8-9 year old can draw like a pro anymore than they can sew like one.

And expensive tools don't mean a hobby is harder to do, just more expensive. The fact that has to be pointed out to you is mind boggling.

[Anonymous No.8333573]

Sewing being harder than art depends on how and what you're sewing. If you're using commercial patterns then sewing is easier to master. But if you're making your own patterns then it gets more challenging. The hardest would be coming up with an original design and making a pattern for it then sewing it. Making an elaborate evening dress like this one by Dior in pic related is obviously difficult and takes years to master.
Personally I think sewing cosplays is easier to master than art since you're creating something thats already been designed (with the exception super elaborate gowns and armor).
But imo, once you get to the level of high end/haute couture fashion or certain historical fashions then sewing becomes an art form.
>tl;dr: sewing is "harder" than art depending on what and how you're sewing. Sewing cosplays is easier with a few exceptions

[Anonymous No.8333731]

>>8329211
>>8328714
Isabella Rose Taylor would beg to differ. Pic related is an outfit she made that is part of a clothing line she showed at a fashion show in Austin Texas in 2012. She was 11 years old at the time. She also created her firsr clothing line when she was 9 years old and it looked pretty good. She now has a clothing line at Nordstroms and she's only 14.
There's also Moziah Bridges, who started a line of bow ties at 11 yo that got sold in several boutiques; he was on Shark Tank.
And Cecilia Cassini, who started designing at 10 yo and got alot of media attention for her designs. She had a line in a Thailand kids fashion show last year, so she was about 14 or 15

[Anonymous No.8335291]

>>8330100
professional neckbeard, but without the professional part

[Anonymous No.8335296]

>>8331232

See also: typical excuses to lie about not following rules

[Anonymous No.8335334]

>>8328838
>unless they're instrument is piano, then it's possible they've just been practicing like crazy for a year
Even piano takes time to master because, like any other musical instrument, it requires musical maturity. A kid won't play the same way a pro does, even if both might be technically correct. Agreed that it's not the hardest instrument to get right right off the bat though. Also agreed that drawing > sewing in terms of difficulty to master.

[Anonymous No.8335515]

>>8329211
It doesn't matter how much the hobby is, if you're a pro at what you do, it's all good faggot

[Anonymous No.8335526]

>>8333731
There are savants in every field anon. You can't cherry pick what you need for your tailored argument. Also, that fucking flower is repulsive.

[Anonymous No.8335730]

Anytime someone sells their image it's looked down upon, whether it's stripping, cam whoring, coswhoring or straight up prostitution, hell even directors get shit for casting themselves as actors. It comes off as arrogant and egotistical because in order to succeed most become narcissistic. They have to sell themselves like a product. If you don't want to be judged for how you work then this isn't the hobby/"career" for you. It's supposed to be done out of love and dedication, not because someone else paid for your materials, like that sexy peach kickstarter that made over 4k. That's just robbery and nothing like digital artists.

[Anonymous No.8335745]

>>8325531
Is dressing in costumes of your favorite character going to profitable? Absolutely fucking not, the onlynway your going to getb paid is taking your clothes off if your a female.

[Anonymous No.8335854]

>>8325564

This. That's kinda what I aspire to as a male cosplayer.

>>8326530
I feel like contest money should be enough, personally. I mean if you can consistently pull a decent ranking, someone's bound to notice you.

>>8326655
Except you're supposed to feel bad about it, cis-hetero male scum.

>>8329211
>>drawing is incredibly easy and it's fucking free. while learning to sew and making props properly will take you a few decades.
>This is the exact type of shit weebs on dA who think they're amazing artists because they can copy anime art say. Being a great artist takes years of practice, probably more than sewing/props for most people. Only someone who knows jack shit about art would possibly say this. If drawing is so easy, how about you draw us a hyper realistic picture of JNig with a time stamp then tell us it's not legit for an artist to charge money?

>>8329211
Photoshop is a few hundos. A decent stylus + pad can easily run another few hundred dollars. Oh, and also, you have to pay for the computer. 'Drawing like a pro on a laptop' is not free. What do you think most of these guys use, fucking MS Paint and the trackpad?

[Anonymous No.8335870]

>>8335526
Anon above did demand for an example of one though, as if there weren't genius kids in every domain of arts.

[Anonymous No.8336006]

>>8335730
Who are you to say what anything is "supposed " to be? I think unless you're the creator you really have no right to demand something be one way or another. Get over yourself.

[Anonymous No.8336173]

>>8335526
Well anon the examples i listed are the ones that are successful for their ages with sewing and designing that are close to the age that >>8329211 was demanding. I cherry picked from one article because im not about to do a whole fucking research paper on designer prodigies just for this thread.

[Anonymous No.8336178]

>>8335854
Also, photoshop is now has to be paid monthly/yearly, so you you can't just pay a one time fee anymore and they've stopped making and selling all the old versions

[Anonymous No.8336214]

>>8336178
>photoshop is now has to be paid monthly/yearly
>Implying than you can't use it ilegally

[Anonymous No.8336593]

>>8335730
>It's supposed to be done out of love and dedication

So you're saying people who have careers don't do their job out of love and dedication because they're getting paid for it. If you love something you aren't allowed to get money for it.
Get your head out of your ass anon. Making money off of an art form is not wrong. You just have some stick up your ass.

[Anonymous No.8336663]

>>8328964
You could get a 1 hour massage for $60...

[Anonymous No.8336678]

It's stupid, but what do you know, whenever something becomes fashionable there will always be some people who join in to make a fast buck.

I know people who cosplay for absolutely no other reason than because they enjoy cosplay and they kick the shit out of the people who are paid to do it.

But whatever, if trendy wannabe kids want to pay for merchandise of another trendy wannabe kids dressing up in ~nerd outfits~ then let them eat cake. If someone throws the meat, the dogs will always want more.

[Anonymous No.8336832]

Patreon really needs to update their website.

Everyone of a certain category should be able to be searched. Not just the top 10-25 Patreon pages. Patrons should be able to see Patreon pages for a month . It really screws over one time donators.

[Anonymous No.8337001]

>>8333573
>Drawing an already-existing character
>Making costume for an existing character

second one is harder because while first one is 2D to 2D, second one is 2D to 3D

I'm an art student and a cosplayer so I make both, imho sewing > drawing

[Anonymous No.8338627]

>>8337001
Finally, another person who understands what I say. Definitely only people who do both (and other kind of arts) know which is harder and which is easier.

[Anonymous No.8338633]

>>8333731
She's not a little kid and her mother probably did all the work. Kids are unable to sew professionally because as I said, it takes decades to make something remotely decent.

It happens the same within cosplay community. Most cosplayers buy their cosplays or ask a member of their family to sew everything for them. Then claim they did it.

[Anonymous No.8339918]

Hey, MeepyGal has a patreon now!

https://www.patreon.com/meepygal

[Anonymous No.8339955]

>>8339918

Thanks for the heads up. Just pledged $50.

I don't think the $100 is worth it. Other Patreons give out a lot more physical stuff for $100.

[Anonymous No.8340290]

>>8339955
>Thanks for the heads up. Just pledged $50.
Nope, it has the same amount than before. Nice try meepy.

[Anonymous No.8340297]

>>8329159
>my room helped inspire this picture
its this weird fembot pride
"yes, I am disgusting"

[Anonymous No.8340304]

>>8329159
Why is my name in your picture. Spooky.

[Anonymous No.8340305]

>>8339918
this mugshot tho

Most of the shit she cranks out isn't really worth it. All super mediocre.

[Anonymous No.8340312]

>>8339955
Meepy please realize that you're not all that great. The second hand embarrassment is too much for us. Just do something else with your life and move out of that home you're always complaining about. I'm sure you have potential for some other things. This isn't your calling.

meepy pls
i beg u
stahp

[Anonymous No.8340492]

[Anonymous No.8340516]

>>8340492
Why do people even defend people with gofundmes? You know it just makes you look just as bad.

[Anonymous No.8340581]

>>8340516

If you think there's a better use for your money, then donate to those charities. Otherwise, just don't donate to cosplayers.

[Anonymous No.8340602]

>>8340581
I don't but that doesn't change the fact that I think some of those things end up making the cosplayer look bad

[Anonymous No.8344152]

What type of reward system for donation seems respectable cgl? Is there anything as a return of donation services that even seems remotely reasonable?

[Anonymous No.8344158]

>>8344152

blowjobs

[Anonymous No.8344210]

The problem with Patreon is that it's still new and missing tons of useful features. Content Creators aren't even really sure how the site works. There is a huge problem with donators not getting anything and it's not the content creators fault. Content creators like to send out their perks during the first week of a month, but this usually means people have to donate for 2-3 months straight without deleting a pledge inbetween to be noticed by the content creator.

Patreon does not charge you until 3-5 days after a month. Content creators don't see your name or any info until you are charged. Once a one time donator gets charged, they get hasty and delete their pledge. This is a huge mistake. Doing so means that the content creator won't see that you gave them money. They have no way to contact you since content creators can only message those who have donated. Those who donated can only contact those they donated to. Content creators do not see past donators.

If you want to donate to Patreon and want a reward, you either have to be willing to donate for 2-3 months to be noticed or you message them ahead of them and let them know that you are going to be a one time donator. Leave them with your mailing address and proof of purchase.

[Anonymous No.8344224]

>>8344210

top quality system they have there.

[Anonymous No.8347849]

>>8340312
so current

[Anonymous No.8347959]

>>8344210
>If you want to donate to Patreon and want a reward, you either have to be willing to donate for 2-3 months to be noticed or you message them ahead of them and let them know that you are going to be a one time donator. Leave them with your mailing address and proof of purchase.
I actually am a patron to the girls in the OP image ( which is a reason I am reading this thread) and I have been getting my rewards since the first month. So maybe it's just the person you have donated to that is your problem.

[Anonymous No.8347966]

>>8338633
>She's not a little kid and her mother probably did all the work. Kids are unable to sew professionally because as I said, it takes decades to make something remotely decent.
That is fucking stupid. Just accept the fact that you are wrong and anon just presented you proof.

[Anonymous No.8349069]

>>8330112
This is so sad but so true. I motherfucking hate dickish diva photographers who whine about having to shoot for an hour and spend 2 hours on editing photos (that I offer to do myself to no avail) while not getting enough "recognition" and "compensation". Bitch I spent 3 months making this costume and spent hundreds of dollars on it and have to wear it so stop your crying for chrissakes. Go shoot nature photos if you want a client who doesn't need your results.