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Anonymous Sat Mar 7 08:31:11 2015 No.8166067 [Reply] [Original]

ITT: common shit lolitas (or itas) say that annoy the fuck out of you

I hate how one of the most common points used in a replica debate is illegal downloading. Not only is it not really comparable since no money is being exchanged for the download, but the people using it just blindly assume that everyone does it, including whoever they're having the discussion with. I just went to a meet yesterday where the groups most vocal Replica-chan started an argument about replicas (it went from debate to hostile argument pretty fast because she was ridiculously defensive) and her main point was "Well all of you probably have no problem pirating, so you don't get to say that print replicas are wrong" and she literally wouldn't believe the few of us who informed her that we actually didn't download things illegally, nor would she acknowledge there's a difference since the uploader isn't making money from it. Why is it so hard for some people to believe that maybe, just maaaybe, there are still some people in the world who pay for their music? Not to mention the fact that "well, people do this crime, so it's okay for me to do mine" is an extremely weak argument.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 08:43:24 2015 No.8166076 The downloading point is pretty bad, but at least it's not as awful as "everyone commits crime, think of all the people who jaywalk" There's a reason I have zero tolerance for bitches who buy replicas

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 08:51:26 2015 No.8166086 >frillies >rufflebutts >darlings >sweeties >lolis >dearies Anything that sounds fucking condescending

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 08:57:46 2015 No.8166087 >>8166086 >rufflebutts I have no words to describe how much I despise that abomination of a word. It makes my whole body boil with rage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:00:08 2015 No.8166089 >>8166087 I'm 100% sure "rufflebutts" are a brand of baby diaper covers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:04:58 2015 No.8166094 >>8166089 That's kind of what it makes me think of. That, and it sounds like some kind of sissy thing. It disgusts me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:05:56 2015 No.8166095 >>8166086 I like to think I'm a pretty nice person and that I'm usually down with silly things, but I cannot fucking stand these stupid pet names people try using. Unless they're being ironic, in which case I'll tolerate it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:17:41 2015 No.8166101 Brand whores. It's fine to own a lot of brand and love wearing it but "oh my god I would nevvvver wear homemade clothes!" Is a really fucking rude thing to say when I'm standing right next to you in homemade clothes.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:20:08 2015 No.8166104

Budget lolitas are starting to get on my nerves

>You can totally find secondhand burando for $xx!
>Just pick the less popular stuff!

>Lolita's not expensive!
>So long as you aren't after the latest prints!

It's one thing if they were giving this advice to fellow budget lolitas or newbies, but they're now piping it everywhere like it's some new religion looking for followers. Over in lolita general one chimed in with it when someone said she prefers to buys direct from brand as the stuff she likes is always scalped secondhand. What were they expecting, she'd realise the error of her ways and start buying completely different things?

So what if I like the latest prints and the most popular stuff? I can't just turn my likes on and off, if I'm going to drop $100 on a fancy tea party dress I don't even like, isn't that the real waste of money? I'd rather drop $400 on a dress that I actually like and will actually wear. We're in a fashion that already chooses $100 secondhand dresses over $70 brand new fast fashion dresses, how is it so difficult to understand that some of us want the $400 popular prints instead of the $100 less popular dresses?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:22:42 2015 No.8166108 >>8166101 Are you sure they mean it as a snub at handmade clothes in general and not their own because they suck at sewing?

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:32:13 2015 No.8166120

When my plus sized loli friends say "that's so cute but it would never fit me!" when I show them new purchases or things I want to buy.
Like I'm chubbs too but how am I supposed to respond to comments like that? What's the point of even saying something like that? We're talking about a cute dress not your fat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:33:53 2015 No.8166121 >thights >lolita's >toaboa Ugh

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:40:46 2015 No.8166125

My comm is full of 16-year old tumblrinas who will flip out if something you say isn't 100% PC.
>girl posts to comm facebook page beginning with "hey girls and boys!"
>three of the 16-year old retards go "oh em gee u can't say that, what about the nonbinary ppl1!!!!"

>at meetup, just chatting over tea
>one of the younger girls who isn't a tumblfag retard tells us about her mom being a huge bitch to her over her lolita clothes (threatening to throw them out, grounding her etc.), the rest of us older members try to console her by telling her that our parents didn't understand it when we were young either, it gets better etc.
>retard tumblrfag goes "I totally get what ur saying, my mom won't accept that I'm actually a nonbinary otherkin asexual panromantic and she won't let me change my name to Erin Alexxys Karkat, I hate her!1!!!!1!"

I can't fucking stand how we can't have a normal adult conversation without these fucking kids butting in with their "but anon u can't say that, not everybody has two legs/is a human!!!11!!"

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:42:55 2015 No.8166127 >>8166121 >OOT

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:47:57 2015 No.8166128

>>8166104
This. You don't have to be rich to afford lolita, but it's still a luxury fashion and isn't meant for people with a low budget. Even if you have extremely low standards and strictly stick to Bodyline, you're still looking at $500 before you have a collection solid enough to be called a wardrobe. The girls trying to do it with brand are absolutely ridiculous. It's true that it's possible to find a decent brand piece with minimal or no damage for -$100, but usually it's something at least 5 years old and they don't pop up often enough to rely on for your entire wardrobe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:48:10 2015 No.8166129 >>8166101 To each their own. They are allowed to have an opinion about it you know. Maybe it never even occurred to them that you were wearing something you made yourself.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:53:22 2015 No.8166132

>>8166125
This. This so much. I'm eighteen, but it's so fucking difficult to make friends even at age eighteen. Everyone is so tumblry. I accidentally referred to someone as "she" during a skype call with people I was supposed to be rooming with and they removed me from the skype call. The person who was apparently non-binary made no other attempt to not look as feminine as possible so how the hell was I supposed to know?

I'm also tired of "non binary" people claiming I don't know what it's like to feel oppressed and wahhhh I'll never have to face THEIR oppression. Meanwhile, most of society doesn't even know what the fuck it is and literally doesn't care.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:57:03 2015 No.8166138 >>8166120 Oh my god I hate this so much. Especially if you just post a newly arrived item to Facebook because you're excited. Then along comes a landwhale to complain that it could never fit them and it's like... ...I wasn't offering?

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 09:58:06 2015 No.8166141

>>8166129
>>8166129
Great they're entitled to their opinion but that doesn't mean that voicing it out loud isn't rude. Just like you wouldn't say "oh my god I would never shop at the gap" next to a girl with the word 'gap' on her shirt. It's fine to hate the gap, but sometimes it's rude to say it out loud. And these girls have lolibrary memorized, I'm sure they knew it was handmade, and it's not like I'm making a secret out of it.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:05:09 2015 No.8166148

>>8166128

I don't even have an issue with that, I just want them to stop shoving it everywhere. Good for them if they want to put together a brand outfit for whatever budget they have, just stop preaching it to me like it's something I should be doing too. If I didn't ask for advice on how to lolita on a low budget, don't offer it. Especially if the conversation I'm having doesn't have anything to do with budget or costs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:12:07 2015 No.8166159 >>8166101 My pet peeve is people claiming those brand whores exist. Yes there are many people with almost an all-brand wardrobe, but they never put handmade, offbrand or Bodyline down. People complaining about said brandwhores on the other hand..

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:16:03 2015 No.8166165

>>8166104
This so much. I used to buy many cheap dresses because they were such a good deal, but was never happy with them and ended up selling them. It's not like I only like popular stuff, I love my unpopular IW series to bits as well, but if I want Holy Lantern in red I won't settle for a similar dress just because it's going for $800.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:18:13 2015 No.8166169 >>8166159 brandwhores are boogeymen that itas make up to deflect blame. their coords couldn't POSSIBLY be ita, so those mean brandwhores must hate them just because they're wearing milanoo!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:19:47 2015 No.8166171 >>8166141 Well personally I think you are being far too sensitive about something so insignficant.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:20:48 2015 No.8166172

The people who say a wig is mandatory and will always make you look better, no exceptions. Sorry, honey, that your hair is dull as fuck, but there's no shortage of examples of girls with hair far superior to any wig you will ever own. Stop convincing yourself that everyone in the world has hair lifeless enough to necessitate a wig to make yourself feel better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:22:57 2015 No.8166173 >>8166067 Yeezus. Yeah, no, people still buy music. Why do you think hipsters are obsessed with vinyls?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:24:27 2015 No.8166174 >>8166086 Lovelies. I also hate hearing/seeing "Lolita lover(s)"

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:25:12 2015 No.8166176

>>8166172
I hardly even hear people say a wig is mandatory these days, and it's mostly people bitching about how
>maybe you need a wig, but my hair is full and perfect and lovely
The only people that seem to think you need a wig are cosplay wig itas, and no one is taking them seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:25:28 2015 No.8166177 >>8166171 Not that anon, but I don't see how that's not rude. There is a better way to word something like that, like "I'm not really into handmade" instead of acting like there's something wrong with it when there's not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:28:16 2015 No.8166181 >>8166176 I've heard it mostly from the self-proclaimed elitist types.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:31:57 2015 No.8166183

>>8166176
Look at about every style guide or advice in threads.
I see this shit at least once a week on cgl.
It's always like this:
>"For a good coord you need the following: dress, petti, wig etc"
>"You don't NEED a wig."
>"Yeah sure, but some of us have bad hair!!"
>"But not everyone needs one, some have good hair!"

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:32:41 2015 No.8166186 you have a mental illness, OP

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:32:51 2015 No.8166187

>>8166125
Ohhh my god I'm 22 and I know people like this. On one hand Its really not that hard to just say "hello everyone" but obviously it's not worth making a huge ass out of yourself over. Its like some people never learn to be embarrassed by acting superior. It's always a contest to see who slips up last and the grand prize is making your friends hate you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:47:28 2015 No.8166201 >>8166187 maybe stop surrounding yourself with awful, broken people

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:51:49 2015 No.8166208 >>8166201 When has it ever been worth leaving a comm over? When has anyone found a comm with absolutely no annoying people in it?

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:57:54 2015 No.8166209

>>8166125
>>8166132
>>8166187
The only way to deal with people like this is to just simply not give in to their idiocy. These types were around before Tumblr, it's just gotten a lot worse since. I'm 22 now and have a very "I'm too old for this shit" mentality after 8 years of dealing with these people online and in comms, so I just don't cater to them at all. I don't acknowledge "non binary" as a thing and completely ignore requests to call people retarded pro-nouns like "xe and xer". I also don't cater to obvious fake ftms. If you a lolita tries to tell me to call her "he", I'm going to laugh in her face. I have too much respect for people with real gender identity issues to cater to special snowflakes trying to be cool and unique.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:58:09 2015 No.8166210

>>8166208
okay look I don't know what a 'comm' is but if you're part of a group you're constantly having to step on eggshells around just to be comfortable then it's just not worth it.
i've been out of the dumb anime cosplay etc scene for years now and wanted to see how the most toxic place regarding it (cgl) were still doing and I hate reading stuff like this. Half of you put up with so much unnecessary bullshit it's so depressing. I stopped cosplaying and going to cons due to the awful drama that it's capable of concocting and after being here a few minutes it just seems worse? How can any of you keep doing this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:59:09 2015 No.8166211 >>8166186 But everything OP said was true. That argument is fucking retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:02:15 2015 No.8166212 >>8166211 normal people a) dont care b) dont care if people illegally download things

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:03:10 2015 No.8166213 >>8166210 It's really not that hard to avoid drama in lolita comms and especially anime conventions unless you're a magnet for it yourself or have Super Duper High School Level Bad Luck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:03:46 2015 No.8166214 >>8166211 also i might have read it wrong because i'm not an english teacher grading a high school students sentence structure

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:04:24 2015 No.8166216

>people who argue about stupid replicas at all
Nobody sane cares about this dead horse. Both sides sound rabidly retarded, not sorry.
>"Lolita is a lifestyle and everyone should always be like frilly princessu~"
No, I'm an adult. Not a whimsical sperglord living with my parents. I can do what I want while wearing the clothes that I want.
>"I hate _______ substyle in lolita."
I'm not a fan of OTT classic but it doesn't mean there's never a coord I don't like. People who make these sweeping blanket statements are delusional.
>people who complain about other body types that don't "belong" in lolita
I guess I forgive it more here because, well, it's 4chan. But if I see this irl I judge the shit out of lolitas who do this. Have -some- fucking shame.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:04:31 2015 No.8166217 >>8166210 no one gives a shit about your stupid life story. Quitting a hobby over the same bullshit you'll find any time you have to interact with new people, then coming back to brag about it is just pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:04:56 2015 No.8166218 >>8166213 i got a girlfriend and people didn't like that. at all

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:05:21 2015 No.8166219 >>8166212 normal people don't go on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:06:16 2015 No.8166220 >>8166217 yeah i was totally here to brag about the fact i have no hobbies or interests you braindead clot

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:06:53 2015 No.8166222 >>8166086 I hate the short form "lolis" because it has too many porn associations for me, especially if someone refer to lolita as "loli" in public. I also despise the word "everyloli" as much as I despise "everypony". Just use everyone, jfc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:08:00 2015 No.8166224 >>8166218 I'm sure most people in your comm probably didn't actually care.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:08:31 2015 No.8166226 >>8166216 >People who make these sweeping blanket statements are delusional. Or maybe they just know they hate a substyle because they hate the majority of coords in it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:09:07 2015 No.8166227 >>8166224 keep saying comm it sounds really cool

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:12:03 2015 No.8166231 >>8166214 idk man, if you couldn't read that right the first time, it says a lot about your reading comprehension.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:12:08 2015 No.8166232 >>8166219 +1000

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:12:29 2015 No.8166234 >>8166171 Too sensitive? It's not like I'm crying over it in my room at night or something. The thread was "things that Lolita's say that annoys you" putting down handmade clothes falls into that category for me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:13:05 2015 No.8166236 >>8166231 please don't start a writing career

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:13:33 2015 No.8166237 >>8166227 Kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:13:42 2015 No.8166238 >>8166226 blame the owner not the breed

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:14:06 2015 No.8166241 >>8166237 theres that #epic 4chan humour we all love

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:14:48 2015 No.8166242 >>8166236 Because I'm not a complete retard and can understand the OP just fine, unlike you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:15:54 2015 No.8166245 >>8166242 you must be used to reading paragraphs of meaningless drivel from a 14 year old's tumblr i see

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:17:10 2015 No.8166247 >>8166238 Or maybe they just hate the aesthetic and it has nothing to do with quality? I know there's obviously some really nice country coords out there, but I hate country lolita, I think it's ugly as fuck no matter how well it's done.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:20:50 2015 No.8166252 >>8166245 >you must be used to reading paragraphs of meaningless drivel from a 14 year old's tumblr i see Says the person who types like a 14 year old on Tumblr

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:21:07 2015 No.8166254 >>8166247 okay we get it you're angry and full of hate. case closed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:22:30 2015 No.8166257 >>8166245 No, I just have the ability to read, even if the sentences are mildly run-on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:22:33 2015 No.8166258 >>8166252 i know you are but what am i

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:22:55 2015 No.8166260 File: 98 KB, 374x340, tumblr_inline_mtgv1218Y91qgud98.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8166213 > Super Duper High School Level Bad Luck Kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:24:26 2015 No.8166262 >>8166254 >being this much of an over-sensitive pussy I'm not even the anon you were talking to and if someone not liking a certain substyle bothers you this much, maybe reconsider this hobby.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:25:18 2015 No.8166264 >>8166262 you're still so mad

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:25:33 2015 No.8166265 >>8166258 a faggot that should kill themselves

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:26:44 2015 No.8166266 >>8166264 You'r still an over-sensitive pussy

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:27:40 2015 No.8166267 File: 178 KB, 845x655, QZHSe.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8166265

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:29:44 2015 No.8166271 >>8166266 why do you care about this so much holy shit. I just made one comment ( >>8166238 ) and you got so offended.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:31:10 2015 No.8166273

>>8166128
Wat. That isn't even true. You make it out like budget lolitas are always settling. Hell no. Just patient.

>>8166104
Thanks for posting this. I'm definitely a budget lolita, and sometimes i probably do come off as preachy. This is good to know before i piss somebody off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:31:49 2015 No.8166275 >>8166271 Saying you simply don't like country doesn't sound particularly mad where's "case closed" makes you already sound like a rampant angry tard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:33:46 2015 No.8166277 >>8166275 because getting mad while telling someone else they're over sensitive doesn't make you look unstable at all

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:36:05 2015 No.8166280 >>8166171 Cry more? It wasnt even your problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:39:06 2015 No.8166283 >>8166210 Then why the fuck did you come back to cgl

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:49:21 2015 No.8166293

>>8166220
I'll answer your question genuinely. I think it's because this whole tumblr SJW wave came out of nowhere. What once was a really fun hobby that was invested money and time into has become a playground for children with fake PTSD and gender issues. We've put so much cash and effort into it that it's difficult to quit, so we're waiting it out in hopes that the next wave of autism isn't to be a crybaby.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:50:35 2015 No.8166296

>>8166262
>maybe reconsider this hobby.
THIS is my pet peeve.
Totally butting into your conversation and derailing it, but..
People who actually say this, and "if_____, maybe lolita isn't for you" or "you don't belong in this hobby"

Get off your high horse if you think you can judge or decide what is and isn't for somebody. Some people like lolita and can afford to wear it and enjoy it without dedicating their ENTIRE LIFE to lolita, spending all their savings on lolita, wanting to go to expensive overdone tea parties, wanting to wear huge pettis, and anything they deem as lolitas should be doing, even though the only thing you need to do to wear lolita is wear lolita.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:57:48 2015 No.8166302

>>8166296
The only time I've ever seen this actually used is when people are legitimately not cut out for the hobby. Too poor to afford to wear lolita and also pay their bills and buy food, in which case, no, it's really not the hobby for them. If you're overly sensitive to other peoples' opinions, it's not for you. Nobody is saying that you can't wear it, but you're an idiot for wearing it if such insignificant shit bothers you. If you can't deal with it here on the internet, you'll never be able to deal with real-life people criticizing you and making rude comments to you face, which is bound to happen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 12:07:00 2015 No.8166312 File: 410 KB, 406x536, 1388604436126.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Love y'all bitches.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 12:17:37 2015 No.8166321 >>8166086 I question why one of the comms in my area have this name so hardcore all the time.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 12:27:07 2015 No.8166332

>>8166125
>oh look this person I just met is pretty cool
>follow them on tumblr
>first post: someone was filling out their health insurance forms and when asked 'is your biological sex male or female?' they just made their own box and wrote 'genderqueer'
>YAY GO YOU FOR SMASHING THE PATRIARCHY
>immediately unfollow

>if you have PIV sex for the first time and it hurts it's because he doesn't care about you and you're not aroused and it's basically rape!!!1!
>reblogged by the most outspoken lesbian I have ever met
>unfollow

I hate life

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 12:32:57 2015 No.8166338 >>8166076 I don't know about you guys but in certain parts of my city people jaywalk across busy streets, pushing strollers, nowhere near the crosswalk and just expect people to slow down for them.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 12:36:22 2015 No.8166340

>>8166101
Eh. More often I meet the people who are aghast at the idea of wearing used clothes. Not necessarily just lolitas, mostly a lot of ladies my mom works with. With us it makes a little more sense because the secondhand market can be such a tossup.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 12:50:42 2015 No.8166349

>>8166125
Wow, sorry for that.
I know we have a few trans/nonbinary people in our comm but I've only found out after I asked for their (personal) tumblr and we got a bit closer. I've never seen them post any shit about muh pronouns and muh oppression and no one flipps their shit when someone post "Hey girls!" as an introduction. Even our Brolitas are cool and well dressed. Guess we got the very few rational normal people in our comm...

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 12:55:32 2015 No.8166352

>>8166177
I didn't say it wasn't rude. I was saying she has the right to say whatever she likes. Rude or not, it's not something you should get your panties in a twist about. Who cares what that chick thinks anyway? Like that has actual impact on your life lol.
>>8166234
You came across as very butthurt.
>>8166280
Lol, I honestly don't care. Why on earth do you even care if some girl doesn't like handmade? Rude or not, some of you lot are so oversensitive. And you in particular, butthurt as hell.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 13:05:14 2015 No.8166361 >>8166277 I'm not seeing where they're mad besides pointing out you're being over-sensitive after you were displaying some mad yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 13:06:35 2015 No.8166364 >>8166209 Thank you for doing what I wish I was brave enough to do.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 13:16:37 2015 No.8166368

>>8166352
Do you understand where you are? The thread in question is "Shit people say that annoys you" and then when someone responded to the thread with something people say that is annoying, you accuse them of being over sensitive. The point of the thread is to complain. They aren't being overly sensitive when they point out that they find rude comments annoying.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 14:10:06 2015 No.8166455

>>8166349
I dread meeting those Tumblr people in real life, they're bad enough over the Internet. I found out I was agender and asexual on my own before Tumblr was a huge thing and I used to be pretty confident that I could explain it properly to my close friends/ SOs to the point where they'd realize that this is something I've researched and feel strongly about. I was already afraid no one would take me seriously, there's no hope for any vaguely SJ cause now that these teenagers have shat all over them in the plain view of the rest of the Internet.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 16:29:54 2015 No.8166670

>>8166216
>Nobody sane cares about this dead horse. Both sides sound rabidly retarded, not sorry.
this x a million thank you, and I'm so sick of this shit derailing threads that have nothing to do with it, just let it fucking go
>>8166296
and also this
>>8166302
I see it said on here all the time to the most miniscule of problems, lol.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 17:39:16 2015 No.8166761 >>8166209 I'm with you 100%, way too old for that bullshit and the two trans people I know think all the non-binary bullshit is fucking retarded attention seeking too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 17:49:02 2015 No.8166785 >>8166086 I pretty much clenched my teeth reading that. I also hate lovelies and sweetie/sweeties.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:12:56 2015 No.8166815

People who get all bent out of shape about what other people are doing. I don't know about you guys, but I couldn't care less about your personal preferences. I've seen some people just run themselves into the ground because MUH OPINIONS GUISE. Congrats. You have an opinion. Great going.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:24:52 2015 No.8166830 >>8166121 what the fuck is with those misspellings being so fucking common? I especially hate 'lolita's' because it takes extra time to put the damn apostrophe

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:44:21 2015 No.8166860 Not sure how often this happens to other people, but I keep getting told that dresses with border prints can't be classic.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:55:48 2015 No.8166879

>someone asks for critique, then makes excuses for why they can't follow any of it
>someone asks for no critique, 'cause h8rs

>"omfg she's so fat"
>we all look fat in petticoats, she's probably fine, chill

>whiteknights saying "well if you're so superior, show us YOUR coords"

>whiteknights accusing people of being jealous/fat/ugly/whatever

>"I'm the only lolita in my city!"
>city has two thriving comms with 20+ active members each
>"Well, I'm the only lolita in my city that isn't _____."
>comm has at least 3 or 4 members who _____.
>special snowflake continues to snowflake all over herself

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:57:32 2015 No.8166881

>>8166879
>who aren't _____.

Left out a word.

We had an issue there with a lolita claiming no other lolitas had tattoos/piercings/wild hair colours. When, in reality, we have quite a few with all of the above. They just either conceal them for lolita, don't call attention to them unnecessarily, or wear wigs because their choice of wild dye doesn't match their choice of lolita style.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:16:31 2015 No.8166918 >"I can't wear Lolita-appropriate shoes because of x medical condition!" >Wears chucks with Lolita Hmm yes ratty basketball shoes with no arch support or shock absorption, just what the podiatrist ordered.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:22:48 2015 No.8166922 >>8166830 my phone actually used to autocorrect lolitas (plural) to lolita's (possessive) like that, so i think that one might be an autocorrect issue

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:24:27 2015 No.8166924

>>8166918

This pisses me off so much.

There are people with legitimate foot problems whose footwear is limited - and guess what, not to ratty footwear with no support. I have foot problems (thankfully rectified with simple insoles) but very rarely will I see a shoe, when cited, to provide the support I need on its own.

This rustles my jimmies so much

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:25:11 2015 No.8166926

>>8166922
That may account for some of it, but I've been seeing it for longer than autocorrect has been a thing. If you go back through EGL, it's been going on for years before mobile phones did predictive/correction text. And back pre-2010, a lot of those sites didn't run on mobile for shit.

People like to put apostrophes where they don't belong.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:48:43 2015 No.8166967

>>8166918
>>8166924
So much this. I have custom insoles and hideous orthotic footwear I have to clump around in 90% of the time because of my foot problems, and I still bust out nice shoes for special occasions, even if it's just for part of the meet & taking photos.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:55:05 2015 No.8166978

>>8166086
I think rufflebutts is really funny and I like one you-tuber who says 'my dearies'. IDK, most the rest and similar, it depends on how they say it and if it is in a very affected tone or sounds natural.

But 'Lolis' can die in a fire with any other pedo associations.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:07:09 2015 No.8167001

>>8166104
I think it's fine to be at whatever budget you are at but it is a buzz-kill sometimes to be around the super budgeteers and feel like just me talking about things in my own (possibly larger) budget are sooo extravagant or to get the feeling that some people think that I am overspending when I am right in-line with my own budget or bragging when I just want to talk about my own purchases and wishlist things too. Not fun.

I have friends who spend even more, are you silently (or not so silently) judging them too?

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:10:34 2015 No.8167004

>selling dress on Facebook comm
>comments along the lines of "I'm so sad I can't afford this" and "I'm so sad I can't fit this"
>bitch, get off my sales

I wish more selling groups had rules against those kinds of comments being made. It bumps my post and that's nice, but getting a notification, thinking it might be a sale, and finding only whining is annoying af.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:13:15 2015 No.8167006

>>8166101
calling people brandwhores non-ironically because they choose to buy their lolita clothes. My wardrobe will end up almost all brand but if you call me that, those are fighting words...
It's nothing off your back literally if I stand next to you and say that I will not wear handmade, (though I wouldn't ever say it rudely and I respect handmade items even though I choose to own few)and...I have much more often heard the reverse, someone makes a dress (or accessory)and suddenly omg, the whole world of readymade Lolita become so inferior (or overpriced), and sewing terms start getting tossed around, fabric types listed and hems flipped to compare finishing seams, etc. pfft...boring. I'm a (pretend) princess not a seamstress.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:21:57 2015 No.8167021

>>8166209
ditto, I'm older, know a couple of trans people, really respect their stories and struggles and they do not take kindly to the tumblr shit. I reject it more for them than for myself, plus I can't remember all these shitty pronouns anyway, I'm too busy being a bitchy brandwhore. Now get off mah lawn, I got some shoppin' ta do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:49:33 2015 No.8167049 People trying to sell their shit relicas for as much as they bought them for. It's not brand and its not good quality, it does lose its worth second hand, unlike some brand.. Just stop.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:55:41 2015 No.8167061 [DELETED]

>>8166209
when i was 14 i've had a lot of tumblr friends that wanted me to call them all kind of pronons. but now i'm 15 i'm like you to be honest
i think it's really awful that because of them, people stop taking depression, body dysmorphia,etc seriously. fuck

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 21:01:59 2015 No.8167071 >>8167061 GJ underageb&

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 21:03:31 2015 No.8167072 >>8167061 kek, this would be grade A copypasta

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 21:08:59 2015 No.8167077

>>8167061
It's honestly not worth being a salty bitch in real life over though. I'll call you whatever the fuck as long as you're polite about it. It's no lace off my hem to change names or pronouns.

If some kid gets in my face thinking they're going to teach me something by trying to embarrass me, that's when I respond in kind.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 21:17:04 2015 No.8167085 >>8166087 >>8166089 >>8166094 I heard a mom call her toddler a rufflebutt once, can't really see it used as something to call an adult anymore.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 21:26:29 2015 No.8167094

>>8167006

A Brandwhore is not someone who owns, loves and buys a lot of brand. A Brandwhore is someone who does all that and is snooty about it or puts down people who don't. I'm fortunate that there's only one girl in my community that has this particular problem and all the other girls are really nice regardless of how much brand they own.

And I stand by what I said. It's a rude comment. What if I stood next to a fat girl and said "Oh my god, I would NEVER let myself get over 150 pounds" that statement might be true but it's a very much a faux pas to say.

Tone plays into this too. It might sound alright when some people say it, but less so when someone else does, as they don't necessarily mean it nicely. ::shrugs:: I just thought it was rude of her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 21:26:37 2015 No.8167095 >>8166254 this could apply to basically everyone ITT lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 21:50:43 2015 No.8167108 >>8166219 Or wear lolita for that matter >"Wow! I love Alice in Wonderland too!" >Kill me

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 22:46:30 2015 No.8167111

>>8167001
Eh, I'm a budget and big spender, and I'm probably one of the anons OP found preachy.
I have dresses that cost me over $500 secondhand and buy direct from brand occasionally, but I also stalk auctions and secondhand shops. I've never really bought pieces just because they were cheap or as substitutes for other pieces I wanted that were expensive. I just tend to find really nice pieces for really cheap, and I like to point out that it's very possible to have a nice wardrobe on a budget.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 22:54:43 2015 No.8167122

>>8167094
>A Brandwhore is someone who does all that and is snooty about it or puts down people who don't.
Except these people are fucking unicorns. They're talked about as if they're everywhere when most people don't know a single lolita who would actually fit that description. I have never, ever seen anyone on /cgl/ bitch about people who wear offbrand stuff. I have also never experienced anyone in my comm bitching about offbrand stuff.

Far more annoying than these amazingly rare Real Brandwhores are the people like you who pop up to complain about them as if they're everywhere, ruining the community. Honestly I think The Mythical Brandwhore is something that people who are shit at coording focus on just to make themselves feel better, at this point. "Boohoo they only dislike me because I don't support their PRESHUS BURANDO!!" - you know, like that psycho Raleigh chick.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 22:55:07 2015 No.8167123

>>8166128
Well i got also newer pieces for less than 10000 yen like the Dream Fantasy salopette after a year or i can find some AP not super new popular prints for cheap prices and no damages, stains or signs of wear. I'm not a person that is impatient to build my lolita wardrobe but better to buy nicer main pieces than having many bodyline. I use bl to get stuff like blouses or boleros and i think to buy some cheap jsks to use daily when i don't care about ruining my precious burando. Even people with a low budget with patience can buy some burando but they have to wait years to see a complete wardrobe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 23:31:42 2015 No.8167182 >>8166174 >tfw "Lolita Lovers" is part of my comma facebook name. I want it to change so bad, but I don't know how to bring it up to our founder without seeming like I'm trying to usurp.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 23:38:49 2015 No.8167189

>>8167122
You keep acting like I'm spotting this "unicorn" everywhere. Like I said, I've met ONE girl who was like this, who made ONE slightly rude comment. She's not like some devil bitch or something she just made an off the cuff comment that made her look snobby, so I called her a brand whore. Damn.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 23:54:24 2015 No.8167228

>>8167189
Are you not >>8166101 then? If you're not them, then I'm sorry. But if you are,
>Brand whores.
It was originally mentioned in the plural, and this shit comes up occasionally in "what annoys you" threads. You know exactly one brand whore, but consider the topic of the thread.
>>8166067
>common shit lolitas (or itas) say
I don't think one person makes something common, anon.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 00:28:19 2015 No.8167275

>>8166312
That image fucked me up.

>>8166332
Fucking hate that shit, like they even said "BIOLOGICAL" that shit is for health reasons for crying out loud.

>>8166881
I can just see all the lolitas just taking off their wigs and just showing off the rainbow of hair

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 00:30:27 2015 No.8167276 >>8167072 it's not rare to see underage people on /cg/l lol and i was being serious

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 00:37:30 2015 No.8167284

>>8167276
Underaged users are not allowed on this site. It is common on all of 4chan, but if you are a smart underaged person, you do not broadcast that. It is not that they care so much that you specifically are seeing the material, but 4chan itself could get in trouble if minors constantly access it.
I used to go on this board when I was your age, but I wasn't stupid enough to tell people how old I was.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 00:44:51 2015 No.8167288

>>8167122
People like this exist everywhere anon, lolita is no special exception.
>know lady who works in a salon
>tells me of fat rich bitchy lady regular with a ton of designer shit
>comes in for her weekly usual, puts brand bag up on rack
>another lady puts bag up next to it
>fat bitch lady wails "WHO PUT THIS CHEAP SHIT OVER MY (INSERT BRAND NAME) BAG??"
Some people are just awful, being in a niche fashion doesn't negate that.
>look where you are

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 04:15:16 2015 No.8167438 >people on the internet don't care if you wear a replica, no one can tell the difference

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 04:19:17 2015 No.8167441 >>8167438 This isn't fa, anon. Cgl knows when you are wearing a replica.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 04:21:51 2015 No.8167443

>>8166332
>>8167275
This is especially bad considering how much progress we're currently making in sexed medicine because it turns out there are big difference between the sexes both in symptoms and treatments of diseases and for many years that was just unknown or ignored.
Now someone's asking them their biological sex so they can make sure they get the best treatment and tumblrtards flip their shit because sexes are just a construct of the patriarchy which also controls research in medicine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 04:32:47 2015 No.8167453 >>8167441 This is what I overheard a newbie lolita telling my friend online, should have clarified that She's an awful person, horrible lazy fatty-chan that relies on others to do all her work and lolita research

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 04:44:50 2015 No.8167461

>>8167453
Oh whoops, forgot what thread I was in.
From what I have noticed though, this is the exact attitude of people who care about brand names and looking cool, but not about actual brands/quality. Aka /fa/. They have entire threads dedicated to knockoffs. Stealing designs aint kawaii.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 04:52:01 2015 No.8167467 >>8166086 I can see how most of those would piss someone off, but I gotta be honest, I love 'rufflebutts' and 'frillies'. Theres a real sweetheart girl in my comm that uses them, maybe thats why I love them idk.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 05:03:26 2015 No.8167475

>>8167004
Ahhh, this 1000 times.
Trying to sell dresses/cosplay and all I get are attempted guilt trips.
On a related note, I tried to sell my mannequin on a local sales group and literally the entire week after it went up some middle aged woman spammed the fuck out of the comments trying to be 'teehee funny'.
"Haha, why do you have a male mannequin~ I wonder what that could be used for~
Showcasing armor you cunt.
Ugh, I need to find a better sales page.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 05:59:53 2015 No.8167518

>>8166120
Some of my FB friends do this and it's so fucking annoying. They even do it when I show them things I made myself. Well no shit it won't fit you because I made it to fit ME. If they want to commission me they could just ask, but really they just want to be whiny babies.

>>8166338
Not lolita but holy fuck this is the worst. Do these people think strollers are magical baby-protecting devices? In my city I constantly see people pushing strollers out onto the streets right in front of cars as if the fact that they're pushing a baby around suddenly makes them immune from grievous bodily injury or death. Last weekend I saw a guy with two toddlers just straight up walk though a red light and they almost got hit by a car. Fuck these people.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:12:23 2015 No.8167820

>This outfit is too plain to be considered lolita!
person wears only OTT at cons and meets
>X looks too costumey to be considered fashion!
person wears outfits so watered down that if you removed the petticoat it'd be a perfect normcore
>OMG how can ANYONE like this trend/print/substyle, honestly!
person has never stepped out of the comfort zone of simple color-matching and plain headbows
>brand is NEVER EVER worth its price!
person with closet full of badly sewn handmade and faded old BL
>brand is totes haute couture level, just doesn't compare to anything, honest!
person doesn't know what is haute couture

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:15:48 2015 No.8167829

>>8166879
>>"omfg she's so fat"
>>we all look fat in petticoats, she's probably fine, chill

Yeah, I never really understood people who complain about someone's weight in lolita unless they're very obviously obese.
Petticoats + poofy layers add on about 5-10 pounds to everyone. And it probably makes people who are on the fatter end of the spectrum look a little better even since it balances out their weight from how they typically look in normalfag fashions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:28:00 2015 No.8167844 >>8166332 What do you do if you're intersex? Genuine question here, not talking about the tumblr shit.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:31:01 2015 No.8167847

>>8167844
Write that on the form and don't brag about it on tumblr. It's fine to write something in if you have a legitimate need to do so. Not fine if you just identify as male but are biologically female. If that's the case you check the female box and politely ask the doctor to address you as male.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:31:27 2015 No.8167848 >>8167829 Maybe if you'd wear super frilly stuff all over your body. A lot of lolita plays off a slender bustier, legs, waist paired with a poofy bottom. If you're fat you don't have any contrast.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:35:14 2015 No.8167855

>>8166879

>whiteknights saying "well if you're so superior, show us YOUR coords"

I reckon if the person in question is offering nothing constructive and generally not contributing in any way, it's a fairly reasonable thing to say. Otherwise yeah, it's an overreaction.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:58:06 2015 No.8167889

>>8167848

I kind of agree. While we do have the whole cupcake shape going, the torso is still relatively free of frills and it's going to be obvious who has the greatest degree of change going from torso to skirt.

That's why it also doesn't really make sense when people go

>oh if you're fat enough you don't need a petti!

Because unless you have reubenesque hips, just being fat is not going to make for the dramatic flareout needed for the iconic silhouette.

However, if you do have those hips, rock on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:59:25 2015 No.8167890 >>8167848 >Maybe if you'd wear super frilly stuff all over your body. ..which happens quite often in this fashion? Sorry, nobody really looks slim.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 13:04:39 2015 No.8167899

>>8167847
I think there's a difference between bragging about things like a bleating tumblr-tard and wishing to discuss something you've experienced in order to open up dialog (as apposed to just ranting and allocating yourself a steadfast corner to fling shit from).

I don't think people that genuinely do come across barriers within systems should necessarily quietly put up and shut up just because their situation is unusual, I imagine it's very difficult to navigate the world as a post-op trans person for instance, and filling in forms etc is a small but perhaps significant part of that.

tdlr the tumblr numpties end up trivializing issues and cause divisiveness surrounding issues that are worthy of discussion.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 13:05:01 2015 No.8167901

>>8167855
To me it's the laziest possible way to refute criticism, valid or not, with no effort to actually address any points given.

>well if you're such a film critic, let's see you make a multi-million dollar blockbuster!
>unless you can make a fully orchestrated version of "Nutcracker" by yourself, you better shut up about music!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 13:16:23 2015 No.8167923 >>8166148 Like vegetarians who say you're a less of a human being because you choose to eat animals.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 13:20:00 2015 No.8167933

>>8166132
I am nonbinary myself but some "nonbinary" are just trying hard to be speshul snowflaeks and get pity points because "muh gender identity problemz waah u cant understand"
It sucks and it's confusing but just don't get your panties in a twist because "WAAH U MISGENDERED ME" and just explain calmly that you like this pronoun better don't act like a cunt jfc i am sorry as a nonbinary person anon.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 13:21:51 2015 No.8167935

>>8167901
True anon but equally if we're talking people that just go around saying shit like 'urgh film X fucking sucked' or equivalent and it's all they ever do, then I don't think people can be blamed when they finally call them out on it. Some people just sound like they spend their life shouting in a mirror or think that life is one long, drawn out tinder app where anything and everything is up for evaluation and yet never, ever contribute a damn thing.

It's the difference between 'everything you have done sucks and you should be ashamed' and 'this is why I think X and this what i think could be done better'. Even 'I don't think there's hope for this and you should start again' has more value than 'ahaha this is the worst thing ever, you suck'!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 13:34:26 2015 No.8167963 >>8167890 Lolita isn't just ott hime dresses. Even those usually have tight top. Maybe if you're wearing empire waist tents and super flared blouses.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 13:41:51 2015 No.8167975 >>8167933 Every person ever is non-binary, it's not particular special.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 13:48:03 2015 No.8167983 >>8167443 THIS THANK YOU

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 13:55:27 2015 No.8167987

>>8167975
Not really bruh, i don't know if every nonbinary person ever is like me but here i go:
I actually feel seriously lost between being like a "boy" or like a "girl", i found the solution by dressing androgynous but i get some complex feels about dressing lolita when i absolutely love it but i don't dare to because "muh boy side", some friend of mine told me to switch styles and it was a really good advice. I am still trying to accept my feminine side more by buying cute things and even cute bras that aren't binders that compress my breasts like hell even though they're small.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 13:56:59 2015 No.8167988 >>8167975 But you're right tho it doesn't give you a special pass, you just happen to have a "gender" different from just girl or just boy and it's totally ok but nothing to make a huge fuss about either.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:02:53 2015 No.8167998

>>8167975
I agree anon, but what I think would be of value is if people felt more comfortable expressing this notion rather than feeling pressure to conform to a lot of the gendered bullshit we encounter from day to day. I don't think wanting to address this is in the same category as those that see themselves as special and/or determined to represent themselves as an oppressed minority, ready to shout down anyone at any given moment.

Er, more on-topic - the only thing lolitas say I find slightly irksome is when they get annoyed with members of the public for not knowing about lolita fashion and referring to it as a 'costume' etc. Hell, if people are well-meaning and courteous then I'm happy, I don't expect anyone to know or care about my fashion choices. I feel a bit embarrassed when I'm out and about dressed in lolita garb and some of the others say stuff like 'it's a genuine fashion you know, it's not cosplay' with a condescending look on their face or worse still, just roll their eyes, tut and walk away.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:40:04 2015 No.8168063 >>8167933 Did you only decide in the last few years you were non-binary, and were otherwise fine as a kid?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:44:24 2015 No.8168070 >>8168063 Also, dressing boyishly or androgynously does not somehow make someone non-binary or trans. Wanting to dress a certain way does not mean you experience gender dysphoria. I think "non-binary" is just a whole load of bullshit.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:44:51 2015 No.8168073

>>8168063
Does it matter? It's very common for adolescents to question their sexuality and gender identity. Some of them will realize they were just exploring themselves and others will realize that they actually don't conform to gender norms. So if you're implying that people can only be gender non binary if they identify as such from a young age... That's not really true. If you're just making conversation I apologize for jumping on you :)

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:48:37 2015 No.8168080

>>8167933
No you are not, you're just uncomfortable with gender roles and can't accept that you are your own person without them, so if you add these made up bullshit qualifiers it will justify facets of your personality.

Non-binary, genderqueer, genderfluid, etc. are all just terms that people who don't understand that everyone, yes everyone feels the same damn way. No one adheres to gender roles 100%, and many people feel shame or weird because of it. But that's the problem.

Creating these shitty terms to describe what is just natural is hurting way more than helping. People should be comfortable just being whoever they are and liking whatever they like, and if you create terms like this you're just reinforcing the fact that there are and even should be people who are 'binary' and that's just not true.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:50:30 2015 No.8168083 >>8168080 Exactly that. Fucking thanks, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:52:22 2015 No.8168086 >>8168080 >Non-binary, genderqueer, genderfluid, etc. are all just terms that people who don't understand that everyone, yes everyone feels the same damn way USE. Use should be at the end of that sentence. Sage for typo.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:55:29 2015 No.8168090

>>8168080
>yes everyone feels the same damn way
So... Is neuroscience your major or something? Cause this sounds like a load of bullshit without the research. And i highly doubt there's (GOOD) research. because there's never good research on sexuality.

But, who are you to say everyone feels the same? Are you trying to say you HAVE to be one or the other-- normal or abnormal? "the same" or "deviating"? It seems like it's all black and white to you, which doesn't make sense. There's no way everyone feels the same. And there's no way that they feel that way soley because of gender roles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:58:15 2015 No.8168093 >>8168090 I think you really misunderstood anon's post.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:59:13 2015 No.8168094 >>8168080 I don't "feel the same damn way".Me being a woman has nothing to do with "gender roles".

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:02:32 2015 No.8168096 >>8167438 Haha. Yeah right. Girls who wear print replicas get 0 respect from me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:03:45 2015 No.8168099 >>8168093 After they clarified with "use" (which was while i was writing my post), yes, i think i did.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:04:11 2015 No.8168100

>>8167848
>>8167889
I agree. A big part of lolita is the contrast between slender waist, slender legs, slender arms and a big poofy skirt. Lolita might be more flattering on fat girls than skin-tight normalfag clothing but slender girls still look much better in lolita than girls with big waists/legs/arms.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:04:28 2015 No.8168101 >>8168094 So you do feel like you adhere 100% to female gender roles?

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:07:34 2015 No.8168104

>>8168090
>sexuality
I think you're confused. What we're talking about doesn't have to do with sexuality and it's only tangentially related to gender. It all boils down to gender roles. People often mistake feeling uncomfortable with gender roles, with feeling uncomfortable with they're gender. If you read what the OP wrote, they claimed to want to look androgynous, meaning they don't want to look feminine. Looking feminine is tied to gender roles, not gender itself.

>who are you to say everyone feels the same?
Again, you misunderstand. I don't mean that everyone feels the exact same, but that everyone has the same feeling. No one fits into gender roles 100%, it's not possible, and it shouldn't be. Everyone struggles with things like that and many people feel they are wrong because of it.

It's not black and white at all infact, it's very complex, there are varying degrees, but no one is really 100% comfortable in their own 'gender', unless they can accept that they don't need to be.

>there's no way that they feel that way soley because of gender roles.
That's just wrong. People just misinterpret the impact that gender roles actually have on them.
OP feeling like she doesn't want to look feminine or masculine AND feeling like she is a 'boy and a girl' is directly attributed to gender roles, androgyny is definitely.

Now, we're not talking about trans or dysmorphia or asexuality, we're talking about someone who feels like a 'boy and a girl' but doesn't want to be either. That has to do almost entirely with outward appearance and and self esteem issues that have to do with not 'fitting in' to what they are 'supposed to.

Like I said, if you claim things like non-binary exist, they're you imply that binary does exist, and it doesn't. I'll go as far as to say it's a spectrum, but it doesn't need a bunch of terms to describe it.

It's time we separate gender and gender roles for what they really are.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:07:47 2015 No.8168106

>>8167987
Anon, I really hate to break it to you, but you're like everyone else. Gender isn't black and white, it's a scale that goes between "man" and "woman". There are very, very few people who sit on either side of the scale, and even less who feel the need to give themselves a special label because they're oh, so different.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:09:14 2015 No.8168107

>>8167899
They're also trivializing people who ARE trans but have to keep presenting as their biological sex due to circumstances on their lives.

I occasionally see people claiming to be the above or that they just don't want to transition in anyway; usually bio grills, and then wear and present themselves as female as possible while yelling that they're really just gay men who want to be women or something retarded like that.

Though I doubt these people are going to die because they were stupid and misinformed the doctor about their bio-sex, because they probably have enough sense to know it's just something for them to bitch about and feel oppressed by like it's a scout badge to collect.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:11:00 2015 No.8168112

>>8168101
No, but when I don't it doesn't make me non-binary, because that's a different fucking thing.

You really think they just went, "oh I finished ironing and now I need to go change the oil in the car. I guess that makes me not a woman anymore."

The things they do or like isn't what makes someone non-binary.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:14:20 2015 No.8168115

>>8168073
I'm under the impression most trans people knew there was something "wrong" from a very early age, which is why I question people claiming they're non binary and understand what it's like to experience legitimate gender dysphoria. I don't think they experience it in the same way at least.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:15:52 2015 No.8168120

>>8168112
Anon, that's what non-binary means.

Binary: The gender binary is a system containing only 2 genders, man and woman. These 2 genders correspond to the sexes male and female, and the system tends to enforce the gender roles corresponding to each as well.

Non-Binary: Gender identities that don't fit within the accepted binary of male and female.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:17:06 2015 No.8168123 >>8168115 Not that anon, but that's because it's not dysphoria at all. It has nothing to do with feeling uncomfortable with your sex, but feeling uncomfortable due to the pressures that society puts on you to act like your sex ie. gender roles.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:21:07 2015 No.8168132

>>8168123
I'm a woman who is uncomfortable with aspects society relates to my sex, it doesn't mean I am non-binary. I realise physiologically and psychologically I am much different to a man, even if I do manly things or dress manly.

So saying you're non binary is supposed to be some form of revolt?

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:23:19 2015 No.8168137

>>8168094
They're saying like most people you probably don't adhere to the gender role of woman like the ideal 50's house wife. Maybe you like cooking for your s.o and maybe you don't like wearing dresses or being dainty. Anon is saying there are gender roles (they are not saying they are valid, but they are there), because we all have this basic motion of gender roles be it from media or social interaction, a lot of people feel kind of uncomfortable when they "don't fit into the mold" and figure something must be wrong or different with them when in reality that describes most people. I've found that this dislike for x girlie/manly trait is usually more to do with insecurity or general taste than actual disphoria which is what trans people feel.

Did that clear it up?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:25:27 2015 No.8168138 >>8168120 oh, if you think that non-binary means liking or doing things not usually associated with your gender in your culture I can see why you think everyone feels that way.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:27:57 2015 No.8168142

>>8168120
So being non-binary is baseically enforcing the cliche of gender roles. Because anything that isn't typical for your gender makes you non-binary, so everyone who identifies as a binary gender has to act like sterotype? Good job tumblr for being the most hypocrite hivemind I've ever seen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:32:37 2015 No.8168147 >>8168142 No, that anon is just full of shit.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:47:16 2015 No.8168169

>>8168080
>Creating these shitty terms to describe what is just natural is hurting way more than helping

I agree with you somewhat anon but as someone that risks getting beaten up for being identified as a man wearing female clothing, describing myself as 'transgender' at this point in time seems the only way I can even begin to get people to except me. It is fucked up that it's somehow worse to say 'I'm a guy that enjoys feminine things and sometimes presenting as female' than it is to offer a label for people to work with, but this is where we're at right now. This isn't a 'just don't do it then' situation for me either; when it comes to dressing in female clothing, if I don't find any outlet to express this part of myself I become seriously depressed and miserable. I also think the whole 'fuck labels' thing can risk undermining the struggles of those that genuinely have to deal with being 'born in the wrong body'.

I guess what I'm saying is, the way things are now in terms of labeling etc seems like the lesser of several evils when a world of peace, cooperation and equality is so far from reality. It's also lot easier to 'be the change you want to see in the world' when your life isn't at stake. In general I still think things have improved for people like me as well as transsexual and intersex folk, and until gender identity is a non-issue, all this labeling and discussion of the value of such labels (whatever the viewpoint may be) has pushed things in the right ie 'progressive' (if somewhat unsteady) direction.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:51:38 2015 No.8168176

>>8168132
Non-binary/transtrending is literally
>I think every man/woman is 100% comfortable with their gender role in society/plays into every single cultural stereotype of their gender and because I'm not like that I must be special uwu kiss my ass and treat me like I walk on water

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 17:10:00 2015 No.8168263

>>8168169
You're misreading everything, we're not saying "get rid of all labels ever", we're saying "we don't need these speshul snowflaek labels". We're fine with man, woman, tomboy and tomgirl, as well as transgender, we really don't need to make a new language just to tell people we're not really a man, but we're not really a woman either.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 17:40:55 2015 No.8168304

>>8168176
Ding ding ding. That's why I can't take that shit seriously. Honestly, we're all just agender because gender is something that's imposed on us. We have sexes--even intersex people (and I feel bad for them because they're forcibly dragged into arguments all the fucking time despite asking not to be.)
Every facet of your personality does not need a label. I have a multitude of clothes but I don't identify as "genderqueer" because dresses =/= being a woman and pants =/= being a man.

>"I feel like a boy sometimes and sometimes I feel like a girl"
The fuck does feeling like a girl feel like? Wanting to wear dresses and put on makeup? That's pretty sexist. Idk why people think this line of thinking is progressive or cool when it's just as rigid and sexist as "the patriarchy."

It annoys me when people in the J-fashion community buy into this shit. There's my contribution haha.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 18:22:31 2015 No.8168371 File: 934 KB, 480x267, vomits.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8166086 Squickerwonker.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 18:30:57 2015 No.8168381

>>8168169
Labelling yourself as trans when you don't actually have any body dysmorphia is fucking horrible anon. The amount of shit you're directly contributing to actual transgender people is huge. Because of people like you no one believes actual trans people and thinks they all just want to play dress up like you.

You're the one who's undermining the struggles of people "Born in the wrong body" By coopting their language to describe something as petty as fashion choices.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 18:35:42 2015 No.8168386 File: 50 KB, 600x800, hm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8168371

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 18:43:38 2015 No.8168403 >>8166159 Oh my gosh. I thought the same. I refused to believe brand whores were real. But then I met one. She was the worst dressed, saltiest person I have ever met. They're mega rare, but they exist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 18:44:01 2015 No.8168405 >>8168304 >The fuck does feeling like a girl feel like? Isn't that exactly what transgender people state? They feel like the opposite gender so much that it causes them psychological distress.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:03:13 2015 No.8168450 >>8168405 No, body dysmorphia in trans is when you have the wrong body (i.e. you have a penis instead of a vagina) and that's what's causing you stress, not ~~I like wearing dresses teehee~~

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:08:18 2015 No.8168465 >>8168450 Pretty sure it's not all about genitals, but whatever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:22:06 2015 No.8168486 >>8168405 We are discussing transgenderism already. What I think you mean is transsexual and they feel that their body parts do not match what they should be, thus body dysmorphia. Gender roles do not always play into transsexualism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:23:53 2015 No.8168490 >>8168465 Perception Genitals are part of that, especially in a romantic/sexual setting

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:26:46 2015 No.8168497

>>8168405
Yeah, and what does "feeling" like a woman mean? Or a man, for that matter? It's just people being uncomfortable by the boxes they've been pushed into from birth--which is completely normal.
Transgender is the new word for transsexual for...whatever fucking reason. But if someone has dysmorphia, they're actually fucking pained and plagued by feeling like their body is wrong. It's not about "having a female brain" or loving makeup and Sailor Moon or whatever.

That's why this shit is harmful, it's sexist to men and women, and it's insulting to people who are actually trans.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:43:12 2015 No.8168526 >>8168465 Well, my point is, it's something a lot deeper and less superficial than what tumblr is trying to make it out to be, and genitals and appearance happen to play a big roll in it.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:57:48 2015 No.8168560

>>8168381
whoa anon, I'm not just 'playing dress' up, my desire to be feminine and try to 'pass' and present as a woman is very real, however I don't feel like I'm 'in the wrong body' either, I feel like I could be perfectly happy with being biologically male or female, yet don't identify as either. I want to be both man and woman, but that's not possible, so I dress as passably as possible as a woman whenever I feel it's safe to do so.

People seem to use transgender and transsexual interchangeably but they're not the same thing. As far as I understand it, transgendered people can fall into the following categories:

1 Of, relating to, or designating a person whose identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender roles, but combines or moves between these."

2 People who were assigned a sex, usually at birth and based on their genitals, but who feel that this is a false or incomplete description of themselves.

3 Non-identification with, or non-presentation as, the sex (and assumed gender) one was assigned at birth.

Using these definitions, this covers an lot of different people including transsexuals. Transsexuals therefore, using these definitions would be considered transgender, yet not all transgender people would be considered transsexual.

Transgender is a pretty broad umbrella term, I'm not sure why this definition seems to be so problematic recently. This definition was accepted for many years but now seems to be considered inappropriate by many and causes shit storms.

I don't consider myself simply a 'cross dresser' it's more than that. If I call myself 'gender fluid' or whatever that annoys people as well because they think I'm trying to be a special snowflake tumblr asshole - what am I superposed to call myself(?)

I identify as trans because this isn't just 'dress up fun' for me. It's an issue that has made me suicidal in the past because I've not known how to deal with it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:06:17 2015 No.8168580 Wait, so what is it when someone doesn't want either set of genitals? Like they feel disgusted by them and would rather have no reproductive organs at all?

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:07:34 2015 No.8168584

>>8168560
No. The first two of those definitions are not accepted by any legitimate medical professional and have been made up by people to earn disadvantage points.

>what am I superposed to call myself
You don't?! You don't need a label for these things. Firstly, no one gives a shit. Secondly, what scenario possibly exists where you need to tell someone this aside on the sidebar of your blog to score special points. Not to mention the fact that no one outside of a very specific group of sociologists and people online actually understands these terms.

>Why do you dress like a girl sometimes
>I just feel like it. It makes me happy.

It's literally that fucking simple. The reason you're getting shit for it is because you're clearly insecure as fuck about it - THAT is what people attack. People are bullied for everything under the sun: Being skinny, being fat, being black, being white, being male and being female. It's not because there's some big underlying current of hate towards certain groups, it's because people find chinks in your armour and exploit them to hurt you.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:10:24 2015 No.8168588

>>8168465
It IS about genitals.

It's about genitals and gender roles. And if we say "fuck you" to gender roles, then it's only about genitals.

Transgender people say that they "feel" like a woman or a man or whatever. That means that they feel that they're in the wrong body, and they typically ACT like the opposite gender. If we ignore the gender roles that society imposes on us (acting like a man or a woman, dressing like a man or a woman, etc. etc.) all that's left is feeling like you should have a dick or vagina. Now think about all the "trans" people who don't actually want to change their physical gender. (Hint: There are a LOT of them)

Genderfluid, genderqueer, all of these people that literally just like boy things and girl things but feel the need for a special label that's just for them. Without gender roles they're just regular people. A lot of younger people, and even a lot of older people these days are realizing how stupid the idea of a gender role is. These people are keeping themselves held back, and basically "oppressing" themselves by being needy little shits who just want attention because "I like to do boy things but I'm a girl~~~"

If we whittle it down to ONLY the people with genuine body dysmorphia, the actual number of real trans people is pretty small.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:18:15 2015 No.8168603

>>8168580
I think there's a specific term for people who want to get rid of parts of their body, but in general I think anyone who wants to get rid of their genitals altogether is extremely mentally ill and needs therapy. That kind of body dysmorphia needs to be treated in a similar way to anorexics who think they're fat. You can't just get rid of your genitals, and it's extremely unhealthy to want to.

If you don't want to have sex because genitals are gross, that's one thing. But to be so disgusted by them you want them to be gone is a whole other story and is a very unhealthy way of thinking.

Like, everyone at some point probably thinks, "Gee, life would be better without this dick flopping around all the time," or "boy, I sure wish I didn't have this vagina leaking fluids all the time," but we don't actually want to just get rid of them. They're sort of necessary for regular bodily function.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:40:24 2015 No.8168649

>>8168584
perhaps my current understanding of the term trans is outdated and perhaps I need to address that anon, but I use this term largely because it IS still medically accepted and is still prevalent, even my own doctor told me I was trans when I was trying to deal with all this crap. Hell, the official medical website in my country uses this definition: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Transhealth/Pages/Transoverview.aspx which whether you agree with the website or not or not, contradicts this statement of yours:

>those definitions are not accepted by any legitimate medical professional and have been made up by people to earn disadvantage points

Secondly, I don't have a tumbler account or anything similar and all this has absolutely nothing to do with any desire to 'score points'. I absolutely wish no one 'gave a shit' but they absolutely do, otherwise I wouldn't risk being beaten up or ostracized for trying to live as a man that doesn't identify as male or female. Do I really have to list all the non-tumblr related scenarios where this could be an issue for me(?)

Do you believe that only transsexuality exists? As in you're in the 'wrong body' or not, with no other possible variables? I'm not asking this for the sake of arguing, but out of genuine curiosity and desire to understand myself and this whole issue

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:43:47 2015 No.8168656 >>8166121 This, but I especially hate seeing >co-ord please, it's "coord." You're using extra effort to type the dash...

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:57:34 2015 No.8168680

>>8168584
>People are bullied for everything under the sun: Being skinny, being fat, being black, being white, being male and being female. It's not because there's some big underlying current of hate towards certain groups, it's because people find chinks in your armour and exploit them to hurt you.

you cannot be serious? You heard it here, there's no such thing as hatred towards particular people, only bullies that exploit insecurities. Do you think that say, a gay couple that gets beaten up in the street simply for holding hands is just 'getting shit for being insecure'? How about an unarmed black guy being targeted and shot out of fear born of prejudice rather than self defense? Muslims for 'being terrorists' etc etc there are so many examples anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 21:01:11 2015 No.8168683 >>8168680 being bullied and being harassed are two different things. Bullying implies it's done to and by minors.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 21:09:41 2015 No.8168700

>>8168649
It just baffles me that you, and others, assume that men and women all think and feel a certain way. That's what's sexist and ridiculous about people who want to be "both." There's no both, unless you somehow have both sets of genitalia. You don't need to have a specific personality to be a man or a woman. You don't have to identify with either of the boxes that are imposed on you from birth. You have your medical sex, essential for going to the doctors and legal shit, and then you have your personal life and identity and that's all well and good. But please, don't try to tell me that you "feel" like a woman sometimes. Nobody can ever explain what it "feels like" either without reducing it to gendered stereotypes (e.g. when I'm nurturing and fragile I'm a woman or when I feel like a brute, I'm a man!!)

You don't want to look here for validation. You really don't. And god damn I hate contributing to this cause we are so ridiculously OT.

>>8168656
Bless you for staying on track. That annoys the fuck out of me too.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 21:24:56 2015 No.8168735

>>8168683
Perhaps but the idea that these people only ever have to deal with a relatively innocuous form of 'bullying' and don't run the risk of experiencing physical harm out there in the real world, unfortunately doesn't have any basis in reality, unless of course that anon thinks everyone lives on tumblr and only tumblr or should do the equivalent of 'keep in the bedroom' the things they are technically able to conceal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 21:30:23 2015 No.8168747 >>8166222 The only acceptable form of this is, of course, everybirdie.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 22:03:04 2015 No.8168812
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>>8168700
you didn't address most of my points anon and instead claimed that I think all men and women feel a certain way when I never said such a thing.

I guess the fact that this very subject seems to have proved repeatedly 'irksome' keeps it technically on topic(!) but er, I'll add - lolitas that say 'you can't look good without bangs' in for good measure.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 23:05:03 2015 No.8168922

>>8166222
Same. I'll accept conjugations like loliable but otherwise I just think everyone is talking about little 2D girls.

Also capitalizing lolita makes it sound like you are talking about a person. Knock that shit off, clothes are not a proper noun.

Anonymous Mon Mar 9 02:15:38 2015 No.8169269

I want /pol/ and /lgbt/ to leave.

If you seriously can't go a whole meeting without talking about genders/social justice/politics/etc., then what in the world are you doing associating yourself with an alt fash that mimics high class?

Go take your crass act somewhere else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 05:09:52 2015 No.8169486 >>8168680 >Thinking blacks are ever unarmed Toppest of kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 07:24:47 2015 No.8169629 >>8168683 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=workplace+bullying

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 08:11:40 2015 No.8169669 >>8169629 There's not much point in trying to address the content of that anon's straw man. Lolitas that still insist mana invented gothic lolita, that shit can get irksome - 'manasama invented gosurori'!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 08:58:11 2015 No.8169702 >>8166067 Hey, how do you fap OP? Do you buy porn or do you go to free streaming sites?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 09:15:43 2015 No.8169720 >>8166086 Loli/Lolis I cringe so much every time I hear that. No one should ever call themselves or others by that name. Unless they are actually lolis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 09:18:37 2015 No.8169726 >>8167122 I also know one person like this. Don't be so salty.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 09:29:37 2015 No.8169738 >>8167923 I would probably say the opposite is true. Humans are omnivores, Vegetarians lead a herbivorous lifestyle. Vegetarians are not like the rest of humans. Inb4 ur knt vegetarian u dn't understands 1!1!!!? I am a long term vegetarian.

Anonymous Mon Mar 9 09:30:50 2015 No.8169742

>>8167987
That's literally everyone. I'm a feminine girl, I wear form-fitting things consistently, do my hair and make up everyday and even have that starbucks-drinking-rich-white-girl accent.

but damn sometimes I just want to take advantage of my androgynous features and dress up masculine. And I do through cosplay, and sometimes the idea of hitting on girls is even cool while I'm crossplaying a boy, even though I'm straight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 09:37:09 2015 No.8169751 >>8168371 That women actually appeared to be brain fucked when I watched her on kimmel.

Anonymous Mon Mar 9 09:40:27 2015 No.8169754

>>8168403
I feel like I've become a brand whore. But I don't think I have any of the negative attributes of the "stereotypical" brand whore. Like I love my brand and would choose it over indie anyday, if I could be entirely dressed in brand that I loved I would be very happy. Also a litlle brand obsessed. But I don't care what other people wear and if I see indie that I like I will get that too. Am I a brandwhore?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 09:56:33 2015 No.8169774 >>8169751 Right? Like what was up with that???

Anonymous Mon Mar 9 10:05:43 2015 No.8169783

>>8169754
As long as you're careful to be gracious about it you're in the clear. Lots of people can't afford/ can't fit brand so banging on and on about say, how much money you spent on brand might make people uncomfortable. It's also nice to compliment girls wearing handmade or offbrand. They don't get as much love as the girls wearing the latest AP print so I'm sure they'd appreciate it :)

Anonymous Mon Mar 9 20:45:27 2015 No.8171336

>selling my RARE dress
>this print is RARE!
>RARE VM blouse!

Please get a fucking clue. It's more likely than not that something from a lolita brand is going to be "rare" - everything is produced in limited quantities. That's basically one of the draws, that's why people line up for releases.

Anonymous Mon Mar 9 21:35:01 2015 No.8171433

>>8169783
Hmm I think I get this. I'm usually very quick to complement people who wear handmade because I can really appreciate the effort they put into making it. It is something that I would do if I had the skills or time to do. I'm also plus sized so I can sympathise with those who get upset about not fitting into certain items. But it also annoys me when girls think they are entitled to garments. If it doesn't fit, oh well, better luck next time. But I don't let it show outwardly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 22:08:36 2015 No.8171505 >>8166172 It depends on your hair and your style. I can't imagine looking good without wigs and I have yet to see a Lolita that looks superior without one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 00:33:41 2015 No.8171786 The replica debate period (I don't care which side) annoys the fuck out of me.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 01:06:18 2015 No.8171841

>>8166332
for fuck sakes, I'm pretty damn sure that why people made big deal over the difference in gender and sex in the first place. If they wanted your gender, they would have asked for it, unless they are doing what we already all know and just ignoring their own gospel when they feel like it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 01:17:50 2015 No.8171873 >>8171786 I've never heard much about this in person thank god, but it's everywhere online and honestly boring as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 01:49:43 2015 No.8171967 AP is so overrated I want to buy replicas just to make /cgl/ salty and revel in your rage.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 06:07:54 2015 No.8172253

>>8166918
This. Althought chucks are more comfy in the sense they are soft canvas, they're flimsy with shitty soles. I can see how you could get away with pastdl ones for casual sweet ( because of the existamce of fairy kei/decora etc) but they just don't fit the aesthetic. Too modern, wtf has basketbal shoes got to do with lolita. At least docs could be alright for gothic with the rang of color and floral patterns etc whilst being sturdy/ supportive. I live in a pair of rubber doc martens with my insoles in and one pair of black oxfords with a heel. I have several pairs of lolita shoes but they're just too painful to wear (or sell...) Only yesterday I tried a different pair of flat shoes to uni for a change, my toes clawed and the skin got grazed off of all of them. Covered in plasters. There is a meetup this weekend and I'm not going because it's too painful to wear nice shoes right now. My feet are so fucked, my ankle rolls in so much it breaks the shoe making it tear right off of the sole. This happens especially quickly with chucks. The part you put your heel in deteriorates pretty rapidly, too.

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