Otome thread

[Anonymous No.8129016]

There seems to be some debate over what actually defines otome, so I'd like to see some examples of ~true~ otome as well as some borderline stuff.

[Anonymous No.8129018]

[Anonymous No.8129026]

>>8129018

[Anonymous No.8129033]

>>8129026

[Anonymous No.8129037]

>>8129033

[Anonymous No.8129040]

>>8129037

[Anonymous No.8129044]

>>8129040
What I'm finding is that it's like a less formal lolita, minimal to no poof, a dress or skirt and blouse paired with a cardigan, and can incorporate more quirky prints/colors that don't usually go in lolita? It seems to have a vintage-y, retro vibe to it as well in some cases?

[Anonymous No.8129046]

I feel like the line between otome and just general jfashion is a little blurry for me, though?

[Anonymous No.8129083]

Otome = cute and lady-like
you can wear pants too.

[Anonymous No.8129090]

>>8129083
Really? Any examples? Because that sounds cute!

[Anonymous No.8129096]

>>8129083
This

People in the west tend to label everything like all things fit in a little hermetic box and that's not true. Otome is just about the "feel", it does not have rules or guidelines, it's just a name we invented for things people wear normally.

[Anonymous No.8129099]

I have a huge folder dedicated to otome so I'll dump some. No pants photos irc

[Anonymous No.8129107]

>>8129090
http://fuckyeahotomekei.tumblr.com/tagged/pants

[Anonymous No.8129109]

I'd also like to add that otome commonly features quirky motifs and colors/patterns. It's definitely not as matchy-matchy as lolita.

Also inb4 is otome just casual lolita or lolita w/o a petticoat?
Yes and no. See diagram

[Anonymous No.8129113]

>>8129099

[Anonymous No.8129114]

>>8129113
hnnng I love that jam jar print so much.

[Anonymous No.8129115]

>>8129046
otome is often a bit quirkier than general j fashion. It spreads the gap between lolita and otona kawaii.
I think in the past few years as other trends in j fashion have rose like otona kawaii, sieso and himekaji, otome has gotten a lot less distinct.

brands like Emily temple cute, jane marple and leur getter still have that older otome feeling with cute prints, knitwear, and interesting color combinations. But a ton of new brands are not solely otome but produce lots of item s that work with many sweet casual styles like axes femme, ank rouge, amavel, and milk.

[Anonymous No.8129117]

>>8129113

[Anonymous No.8129119]

>>8129117

[Anonymous No.8129123]

>>8129109
I think that really gets me about modern lolita. Fucking matchy-matchy bullshit. I'll wear my brown shoes with my pink dress thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.8129127]

>>8129119

[Anonymous No.8129130]

>>8129016
test

[Anonymous No.8129133]

>>8129114
Me too, but I don't have any other worn photos. Have this jam print instead.

[Anonymous No.8129139]

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[Anonymous No.8129166]

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[Anonymous No.8129173]

>>8129090
Found a pic of some ETC shorts that would look cute in an otome coord

[Anonymous No.8129176]

What is this style called? It's casual, girly, pastel but no prints or over the top. I see it under just jfashion and k fashion but does it have a name?

[Anonymous No.8129178]

>>8129173
also found some MILK coords

[Anonymous No.8129190]

>>8129178

[Anonymous No.8129195]

>>8129190

[Anonymous No.8129220]

>>8129127
>>8129147
This girl is cute, but why has she shoehorned those shoes into 2 outfits where they don't fit. I can understand it in the second one, and it works well enough, but in the first they are just completely out of place and look awful.

>inb4 this is otome, not lolita, it doesn't have to match!!1!

[Anonymous No.8129223]

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[Anonymous No.8129240]

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[Anonymous No.8129243]

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[Anonymous No.8129266]

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[Anonymous No.8129272]

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[Anonymous No.8129275]

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[Anonymous No.8129590]

>>8129176
it's kind of like soft sister

[Anonymous No.8129593]

>>8129240
those socks are so cute

[Anonymous No.8129652]

@snowcutie on Instagram has really nice coords

[Anonymous No.8129742]

>>8129220
They work for Melissa, so they were probably asked to advertise whatever new shoe they had in.

[Anonymous No.8129869]

>>8129115
MILK is the oldest of all those brands though...

[Anonymous No.8129882]

>>8129114
I'm obssessed with jam, strawberry, cherry whatever red in otome so i understand!!
>mfw no ETC items in my closet yet
>>8129119
It's the first time i see this print worn i love it!!
>>8129240
It's cute but it could be considered also mori???

[Anonymous No.8129891]

>>8129127
I hate this fucking dress.

[Anonymous No.8130339]

[Anonymous No.8130343]

I reckon people would get a better feel for the look by looking at brand coordinates and Japanese coordinates over the years. It's interesting to see how it's changed over the years too. I think otome is very difficult to describe in words which is why you see so many people getting it wrong because they think all it is is looking cute and girly.

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[Anonymous No.8130348]

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[Anonymous No.8130354]

>>8130351
Oops posted wrong picture.

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[Anonymous No.8130371]

>>8129176
Aomojikei maybe?

[Anonymous No.8130373]

>>8130370
Some old school JM with choco nyan.

[Anonymous No.8130374]

>>8130365

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[Anonymous No.8130431]

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[Anonymous No.8130433]

>>8130339
Ugh regret not buying this print

[Anonymous No.8130435]

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[Anonymous No.8130563]

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>>8130436
>>8129266

Is her head stuck in this position or...?

[Anonymous No.8130573]

>>8130563
These are the official Leur Getter photos, so I guess it's their concept. This way you focus on the clothes and not the girl, she's just the hanger.

[Anonymous No.8130581]

>>8129176
Some of the more cutesy gyaru brands like Swankiss do similar things, not sure how helpful that is.

[Anonymous No.8130584]

>>8129046
>>8129096
I feel the same way, anons. There's a million 'different' fashion styles at the moment which all look exactly the same but are desperate to have their own names. I think of Otome as 'the original' in that respect.

The first that comes to mind when I think to define Otome would be.. Kitschy 60s Japan.

[Anonymous No.8132120]

>>8130402
God damn this is really fucking cute

[Anonymous No.8132276]

>>8129173
that's one tiny booty

[Anonymous No.8132325]

Hey I've got a question along the lines of defining Otome kei. I'm modelling in an upcoming fashion show and they needed someone to wear Otome. I want to represent Otome kei correctly. I put this outfit together but do you think it accurately represents Otome? Is it too close to mori kei? I wanted another opinion before I wear it. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.8132340]

>>8132325
The shoes and bag are kind of gross looking.
Also what legwear?

[Anonymous No.8132368]

>>8132340
You can't see it very well be cause I don't have a good camera but the bag has little peacock feathers on it with blues that match the color if the skirt and the tights I have are a floral crochet cream that matches the color of the blouse.

[Anonymous No.8132375]

>>8132325
Yeah, sorry, these shoes have got to go. Save them for when you're eighty and have $5 to your name, then they will look appropriate.

[Anonymous No.8132381]

>>8132375
Ok so minus the shoes, does it look right?

[Anonymous No.8132405]

>>8132325
Oust the shoes, probably the bag, and definitely that hippie beret. It looks like it came from one of those Peace & Love hippie mall stores.
The outfit might be okay for a mori inspired outfit, or just for normal fashion, but for otome you want to class it up a bit.

[Anonymous No.8132413]

Ok thanks, I figured it was too close to mori. I have lots of mori kei in my closet and not very much otome. I'll let someone else model otome kei, thanks for the input.

[Anonymous No.8132438]

>>8132405
What if I did something like this with some small burgundy flats?

[Anonymous No.8132479]

>>8132438
This is cute! I like it. What do the flats look like though? Plain flats can look a bit off in jfashion so if they are, I would suggest some cute clips that match the theme of the dress.

[Anonymous No.8132499]

>>8132479
I saw a few in the mall at work today so Im going to find the cutest ones. Thanks for steering me in the right direction btw!

[Anonymous No.8132535]

>>8132438
I know the difference between otome and casual lolita is hard to define, but of you are the one representing otome in a fashion show, I think your outfit needs a stronger otome vibe. What you have is really matchy-matchy again and there are no playful details/materials. Maybe you need a second accent color? Or something like a cute ruffly turtleneck or anything that sets it apart from lolita. Good luck!

[Anonymous No.8132635]

>>8132438
Agreeing with >>8132535. I think it would have more of an otome feel if you swapped the tights for something with a little more personality/quirk. For me, legwear is really important in otome; if you look through the thread, you'll notice that a lot of the girls are wearing legwear that wouldn't necessarily work with the outfit or would be to busy for lolita.
I'd also recommend some accessories, like a necklace or brooch or something.

[Anonymous No.8132737]

>>8129275
Anyone has source on those shoes?

[Anonymous No.8132740]

>>8132737
Found it! http://www.baitfootwear.com/#!product/prd1/1482177705/ione-wine

[Anonymous No.8132749]

>>8132737
They almost look like the Crown Vintage Pippin flats I have but the logo on the sole is not the same.

[Anonymous No.8133248]

>>8132438
This looks ok but I think I would just do more with it. Tights with a polka dot pattern are pretty common in otome. A nice cardigan might also help this look more complete.

Other than that I think I would bring in more colors. Maybe light yellow or blue? It's hard to say. It's hard to say. Just play around with things until you find something you like. Good luck!

[Anonymous No.8133352]

I'm making my first attempt at otome right now, any suggestions? Am I going the right direction? Which shoe selection would best match the style?

[Anonymous No.8133413]

>>8133352
Not liking all those neutrals.

[Anonymous No.8133429]

>>8130362
So I know otomoe doesn't use lolita pettis, but there still seems to be some poof in some photos? Are smaller pettis used, or is it just how the dresses are made?

[Anonymous No.8133443]

>>8133413
So if I add a white blouse instead and brighter colors it would be better??

[Anonymous No.8133453]

>>8133443
I think so! And don't forget legwear, maybe add some color with cute socks, and then find matching headgear? I can't tell what you have up there right now.

[Anonymous No.8133458]

>>8133453
Alright let me try that then. Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.8133461]

>>8133352
I like the shoes second from the left best. I'm having a hard time seeing what the print is.

I think I would break up the browns with either navy or burgundy. And maybe a beret instead of what I think is a cloche hat?

[Anonymous No.8133463]

>>8133458
You're welcome! Please post what you put together!

[Anonymous No.8133509]

>>8133461
>>8133463
Is this better? Maybe I'm sticking with neutrals too much...

[Anonymous No.8133511]

>>8129107
This isn't otome. Its moving towards modern gyaru.

[Anonymous No.8133522]

>>8133429
Smaller petti. Some of the older dresses are stiff enough to hold themselves up but the ones that are chiffon/polyester will need a petti if you want to achieve a poofy look.

Mind you, plenty of otome outfits don't have poof so it's more of a personal preference thing rather than staple or requirement.

[Anonymous No.8133539]

>>8133509
It is a lot of neutrals, but it doesn't look like the print of the dress has any color in it to work with. Structure-wise it's going in the right direction for sure!
Perhaps to add color, if you have any legwear in a certain color along with a beret and one or two other accessories, you could swap those in?

[Anonymous No.8133548]

>>8133539
I think this is the best I can do for now sadly, since I don't have other variation. All the tights/socks I have, have prints on them that don't match. I'll look into buying more now that I know, thanks so much for the help anons, I appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.8133578]

>>8132325
It doesn't look otome sorry. You need some good leg wear, bolder colours, and a better cardigan, bag and shoes that have more structure to them. Why are you representing otome if you have no otome clothes?

[Anonymous No.8133580]

>>8133522
Adding reference picture for this since I've never seen a comparison that includes an ETC petti.

[Anonymous No.8133584]

>>8132438
This is much better than the last, but you need to focus on adding in some pops of colour with leg wear and accessories. Maybe find a brand coordinate with this dress to give you ideas? Add a cardigan too if you can or some detail for your neck area.

[Anonymous No.8133604]

>>8132438
Some ideas for you

[Anonymous No.8133606]

>>8133604

[Anonymous No.8133610]

>>8133606

[Anonymous No.8133612]

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[Anonymous No.8133738]

What is the ultimate list of Otome brands?

[Anonymous No.8134114]

>>8133580
This is very helpful anon! Thank you! I think the ETC and Leg Ave look best, personally.

[Anonymous No.8137275]

Live my child

[Anonymous No.8137310]

>>8133738
See >>8129115 for a decent list.

[Anonymous No.8137323]

>>8130357
dreamskurt

[Anonymous No.8137374]

>>8133509
I think you look fine! Cute outfit.

[Anonymous No.8137889]

>>8133509
The long sleeves look really cute! You definitely improved the outfit.

[Anonymous No.8137951]

Do any second hand shops stock Leur Getter?
Do I need an SS or can I buy direct from the jp online shop. I just discovered the brand and it would be great for work.

[Anonymous No.8138246]

>>8130371
isn't aomoji more of "wear whatever" kind of thing? eg kyary, 6%dokidoki ,maybe aymmy. i think this is a little more tame than that
>>8129176
definitely reminds me of oneegyaru but with more pastels. agree with the swankiss anon

[Anonymous No.8138267]

>>8137951
Yep. From what I remember usagiyouhinten and maidenclothing both have leur getter under their brand list, but of course the stock is very limited. Other second hand shops prob carry a few things too, but you'd have to check under "other"

[Anonymous No.8138339]

>>8138267
Good to know. Thanks, I'll start keeping an eye out.

[Anonymous No.8140140]

Could this skirt work in otome?
I think it might be a little short so perhaps I could wear a simple underskirt (with minimal ruffles so its more casual).
Opinions?

[Anonymous No.8140165]

>>8129033
Irrelevant, but I overanalysed this picture slightly. My attention was captured by the Union Jack heels which don't quite match, then I was more confused by them when I realised the background looked like England. But then the girls don't look quite English, especially the girl on the right (French or German maybe)? Cute outfits but out of sheer curiosity I'd really like to know what country this is.

[Anonymous No.8140291]

>>8140165
genuinely curious here, how can you differentiate between French, German and British by looks alone? They all look pretty much the same to me. Eastern European and Mediterranean people have sallower skin (sometimes) and central, Northern and Western Europeans are typically white/fair skinned and look the same to me.

[Anonymous No.8140521]

>>8140165
Australia, judging by the garbage bins?

[Anonymous No.8140955]

>>8140521
Yeah, looks like Australia. Nice suburb though. Maybe one of those gentrified Inner West ones (in Sydney) or Melbourne?

[Anonymous No.8140961]

>>8140165
union jack probably to match the bows on the biscuits maybe?

[Anonymous No.8142158]

>>8140140
Personally I think it's too bland for otome, maybe if you bring it up with a bright-coloured blouse/cutsew, patterned socks and statement shoes (like the JM strappy ones) it'd look nice

[Anonymous No.8142194]

>>8140291
You can on some people, but not on others.
Some people have a very stereotypical facial structure for their area (see: David Cameron, Robyn, Putin), others look really blank and like they could be from anywhere, and some look like they belong in another country (Ed Milliband, Björk are really extreme examples but I've seen girls in Hungary, Bulgaria and Slovakia that would fit in 100% in the UK or Ireland). Stereotypes are also a huge factor (ie all Italians have dark hair and skin)
Usually people can tell by their makeup, clothes, accent, behaviour, hair and eye colour, or even teeth. I can tell someone's American from their teeth, clothes and demeanour.
In the end, there's no surefire way unless they tell you themselves. You have people of all hair and eye colours all over Europe, for example Michelle Dockery has dark brown hair and eyes and she's British. You also have people from countries like Georgia or Armenia who look like normal white people but nobody really thinks of them or thinks they're Arabs or something so they don't even try guessing.
I've a ginger friend from the Balkans, and people usually ask her if she's Irish because they think people in the Balkans look Mediterranean or like gypsies. She does have a very British-looking face though.
That's why I'm really sceptical of those who say that they can "tell where someone's from just by looking at their face". For some maybe, but definitely not for everyone. If you're white and go to any country in Europe people will usually start talking to you in their mother tongue if you don't look touristy.

[Anonymous No.8142216]

>>8140165
>tfw the girls are too conventionally pretty to be English

[Anonymous No.8142222]

>>8140291
Looks pretty varied.

[Anonymous No.8142226]

>>8142222
not this stale meme again... that picture is bullshit jsyk

[Anonymous No.8142254]

>>8142226
What? What is bullshit? What is a meme about it?

[Anonymous No.8142260]

>>8142222
These look the same to me anyway, the only difference I can see is that England has a pointier nose than France and Germany and Germany and Netherlands have bigger chins and it took me a while to notice.

I'm european.

[Anonymous No.8142276]

>>8142260
>>8142254
Because nobody looks like the "average" person from their respective countries in those pictures and it's passed around 4chan (especially /int/) with no regard to how it had been made.
It's as reliable as that NatGeo image of a green-eyed mulatto woman with the caption "this is how the average American will look like in x year".
Most people who claim that people look different from country to country are yanks. Imaginary lines on a map do not suddenly make people change appearance and intermixing has been happening for a long time even in Europe. The difference is that we aren't heritagefags who think in simplistic terms such as red hair = Irish, brown eyes = Spanish or Italian as I've seen some people in the US do.

[Anonymous No.8142806]

I got this skirt a while ago (Not my image, just picked one from google) and I really want to style it in an otome way, but I'm really stuck on not being super matchy-matchy with the colour scheme, and the motifs.

Anyone have any ideas on what I can do with it?

[Anonymous No.8142816]

>>8142276
Maybe you just don't understand what the average in this context means. The average does not in any way shape or form equal what "the average person" looks like. If people are too dumb to realize this that doesn't mean the picture is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.8142830]

>>8142806
Cute.
Add another colour to the palette, like a turquoise. Turquoise cardigan etc

[Anonymous No.8142831]

>>8142806
I think the material of the skirt makes it look not very otome. But I think it's still cute in a casual way. It would look cute with a mint blouse and some of those cherry hair clips!

[Anonymous No.8142836]

>>8142260
>I'm european
Spotted the 2nd gen American

[Anonymous No.8142855]

>>8142830
Thanks anon, going with a totally left field colour is really hard.

>>8142831
I was worried someone might say that, maybe twee would be a better term to use? Ah I already have some cherry hairclips.

I'm gonna go on the hunt for some bluegreen shades to throw in.

[Anonymous No.8142906]

>>8142806
This could work in otome outfit but in and of itself it is pretty basic.
Paired with a pussy bow blouse, a ruffled cardigan, a boater hat, interesting leg wear and maybe some ETC glitter flats

[Anonymous No.8142917]

Can anyone ID this dress by MILK? Looking for a stock photo or clearer pic.

[Anonymous No.8142929]

>>8129142
hnng

[Anonymous No.8142978]

>>8142917
Here it is on their blog
http://blog.osakamilk.com/?eid=1423079

[Anonymous No.8143554]

>>8142806

[Anonymous No.8143729]

>>8143554

There isn't a single coherent theme in that coord. Even if otome isn't supposed to be matchy matchy, the pattern clashing between the socks and the skirt, and the tacky glitter shoes just make this look terrible. Please don't suggest barely passable j-fashion coords to people seeking otome kei advice.

[Anonymous No.8143854]

How do you anons keep your dresses looking crisp/flowy without a petti or with a minimal one? I own >>8133610 and a few other dresses with similar, medium-weight fabric, and they always look so creased, even with a light petti, because the fabric is too heavy to hold a nice shape. Do I just need to accept it?

[Anonymous No.8143885]

>>8129176
Rin-senpai dresses so well, I wish he did more actual outfits like this than lingerie.

[Anonymous No.8143896]

>>8130419
If only her shoes were blue.

[Anonymous No.8144826]

>>8129037
I love the mushrooms, mushrooms are my favourite otome and mori design detail.

[Anonymous No.8144891]

>>8129150
This is really cute.

[Anonymous No.8144940]

I won this Miku print dress from Earth music & ecology for pretty cheap on y!j and after reading this thread seems like my coord idea might be a little otome. I'm basically not sure if bunny x miku is too much but I saw these shoes and immediately thought of the dress. I've found a lot of replicas of these shoes on taobao but if anyone knows the original Japanese brand I'd appreciate it because I'm afraid of replica color being off.

[Anonymous No.8145104]

>>8144940
Too matchy matchy for otome. Cute though.

[Anonymous No.8145178]

>>8143854
Sauce on the cardigan and dress.

[Anonymous No.8145183]

>>8144940
White socks might look better, but I like it.

[Anonymous No.8145256]

>>8129236
These are all really good examples of otome, IMO.

[Anonymous No.8145271]

>>8129882
I think >>8129240 definitely has mori elements, although it lacks the mori silhouette and layering.

[Anonymous No.8145329]

>>8130584
+1

[Anonymous No.8145375]

>>8140291
Someone else said it first, but I'm the anon you replied to and I'd say that for some people (maybe 80% of people?) you can't really tell, and anyone who says they can *always* tell is bullshitting, but there are maybe 10-20% of people that have very distinctive, say, Irish features. So most Irish people look like English people but some have that pale+freckles+ginger+green eyes or dark hair+pale skin look that makes them look obviously Irish. Same goes for other European countries - some people look very German or very Slavic, but with others you can't really tell. Those girls do not look English, although I couldn't place where exactly they would be from.

I have heard British people remark that Americans don't look "properly" white and to an extent I'd agree; they look white but your average white American will have a mix of European ancestry that means they don't look the same as English people. The spectrum of what's accepted as white American is broader than what's accepted as white British, and over here might have people asking if you're Italian or something. I find it kinda funny watching American TV sometimes how different the actors look to people over here. But of course with a lot of people you can't tell. I've also noticed it being mixed-race in different countries; in the UK people almost never think I'm ethnically English, even though I have no accent, but when I've been to France and Spain people just think I'm French or Spanish and when I went to America most people thought I was white (although one or two guessed Jewish or white Latina). I also sometimes laugh when I see mixed-race Americans on Tumblr describe themselves as "white-passing" or with passing privilege when to me, or in England, they would not pass at all.

tl;dr there are subtle differences I can't really explain but some people just do not look English to me

[Anonymous No.8145376]

>>8129123
Marry me in that dress and those shoes.

[Anonymous No.8145377]

>>8140521
Oh, we have the same bins in England.

[Anonymous No.8145536]

>>8145178
JM's london series

[Anonymous No.8146288]

>>8143854
Anyone have suggestions/answers?

[Anonymous No.8146542]

>>8143729
Not that anon but I think it's a fun, if somewhat bizarre coord that I'm sure could be pulled off by the right person. I think it's possible to take inspiration from it at the very least, such as incorporating navy and using say, a white peter-pan blouse with a red neck bow.

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[Anonymous No.8150187]

>>8150185
I really want the cardigan they made to go with this dress soo bad!

[Anonymous No.8150192]

>>8150187

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>>8150192

[Anonymous No.8150200]

>>8150197

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>>8150200

[Anonymous No.8150204]

>>8146542
If >>8143554 used a nautical themed skirt or even a solid colored skirt it would have made a cute theme - but really, cherries, constellation stars, and sailor???

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>>8150187
l - l You dont happen to have a DA account Anon?

I think I may of seen you before.

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>>8150232

God I love this dress but I'm so broke right now.

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>>8150236

I have such a girl crush on this chick. She's always so adorable and put together omg.

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>>8150237
Yes me too! Her and her coordinates are so gorgeous.

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[Anonymous No.8150267]

Do lolitas find themselves gravitating from lolita to otome with age? I'm not talking milkfawn status where 21 is too old, but I'm a sweet lolita turning 29 with no intention of getting into classic lolita. I'm also at a point in my career where I'm more comfortable with buying pieces from Jane Marple firsthand, where I was never able to before, so I wonder if that is contributing to it as well.

I know this discussion comes up often but I like hearing personal stories.

[Anonymous No.8150269]

>>8150254
I'm really in love with that bag, but I've got horrific eyesight. Does it say Jane Marple on the side?

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>>8150269
yes!

[Anonymous No.8150313]

>>8150267

I've already hit my thirties, and yes, I'm buying firsthand from lolita brands. I keep waiting for this mythical moment when I'll give up lolita and turn to otome entirely, but it doesn't seem to be happening, so I continue keeping one foot in otome to see if I'll suddenly be interested next week or something.

With a lot of the otome releases I do like, the prints don't seem any less bright than their lolita counterparts. The prices are on par, but the lolita dresses seem to have more details, and sometimes hold better secondhand value. So every time I try to do a comparison, the lolita items seem to have a bit more advantage. I do find that I now pick out dresses that aren't necessarily the latest print fad, but rather the ones that can be easily dressed up for a lolita meet or dressed down to the same level as an average otome coord.

Maybe it's just me that's weird, though. I've been told I look younger than my age so I guess I can get away with wearing lolita while pretending I'm still in my 20s.

[Anonymous No.8150640]

>>8140165
they're australian. at least i know girl on right is for sure. i follow her blog

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>>8150204
I think they may have been inspired by this, which I love.

[Anonymous No.8150957]

>>8150313
Agreed. Otome prices are even higher than lolita prices if we're just looking at main pieces. JM is easily $200 over an average lolita release and depending on the release doesn't necessarily retain its value. ETC is generally catastrophic in retaining its prices.

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>>8142276
Except you dumbfuck many areas in the world do not follow "imaginary lines". Mountain ranges and open seas will create country borders. They limit or halt immigration and produce very noticeable traits.

[Anonymous No.8150990]

>>8150313
>>8150957
Why would you decide to wear something over another because of it's retention value? If you like the style, just go with it. If you're looking to invest your money, then pick something better than clothing.

[Anonymous No.8150998]

>>8150267
For me it's not so much that I prefer otome over lolita, it's just that otome is so much more practical for everyday wear when you're an adult with a 9-5 job in an office - which I hope to be once I finish graduate school at age 27. Hopefully I'll land a position making 40k or more and actually be able to afford JM's firsthand prices.

[Anonymous No.8151015]

>>8133578
The girl running the fashion show wanted otome to be represented and nobody would step forward to do it so I got it by default. the fashion show ended up being cancelled anyways due to the weather so it's ok.

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>>8150267
For me, I just got into the game way later than everyone else. I'd been collecting GLBs since I was 14 and was super into sweet and gothic, but didn't buy my first brand pieces until I was 24. I pretty much exclusively started buying otome and casual pieces--nothing like the stuff that sparked my interest. Either having the internet (and /cgl/) showed me EVERYTHING I could have and shaped my taste, I started gravitating to shit that wouldn't look ridiculous as I got older, or both.

I really love otome, though. I feel like a chameleon when I wear it. A lot of it is SO close to regular clothing but just has this special thing to it no one I run into in fleshspace could ever find and it drives them crazy.

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>>8150640
Thanks anon!

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>>8130400
This is my dream... Fuck lolita twinning, I want to otome twin.

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>>8144940
Link to the beret, please?

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Hey gulls, I've had this dress for a while now and I've kind of run out of ideas for coording it. Can anyone suggest things like color schemes to go with it?

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>>8150998

I'm >>8150313

"Wearing what I like" *is* the first consideration

From >>8150313
>With a lot of the otome releases I do like

So the first criteria is already that I like the dress. If I didn't, I have nothing to consider, I wouldn't even pay attention to otome.

When I have to choose between buying an otome dress and a lolita jsk, for eg- I want just one chocolate bar print dress this month, which AP, btssb and ETC have all released, and I like them all with no clear indication that I like one more than the other, that's when I start considering other factors like versatility, dress details, and retention value.

I'd like to point out again that even here, retention value is one out of three factors in deciding whether I buy an otome dress or a lolita jsk, so it's not even a major factor.

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>>8151915 is meant for >>8150990

Sorry man, I messed up.

[Anonymous No.8151920]

>>8150313
>>8150957

I just came to this thread to ask about otome secondhand prices, actually. Could some seasoned otome shoppers give an idea of in general, what 'good' pricing tends to be like for otome pieces? In lolita I consider skirts at $40-180 for popular pieces to be a great deal, and JSK's around $80-250. But I have no idea what in otome is considered a great deal and I'd love to have some advice. I'm looking into getting some Jane Marple skirts and jewelry, in particular and while researching on and off for a few months, I'm still not sure how to judge the prices. Thank you!

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>>8151920
Secondhand shops in Tokyo sell ETC for around retail price. Obviously it depends on the print but generally speaking, secondhand ETC doesn't come cheap in Japan (not sure about auctions). Milk is more or less the same.

CC doesn't have a massive selection of Jane Marple, it's usually a small rack with all the nonprints and really worn out looking skirts. Those you could get for maybe less than 10,000yen a piece. JM's popular pieces don't pop up often, but when they do, they go for about retail. JM's accessories start at about 3,000yen and most are in the 3,000-5,000yen range.

Again, these are prices for the Japanese market, not sure what the Western market is like. Hope it helps though.

[Anonymous No.8151950]

>>8129266
Woah, that print is cute! What's the brand/name if it has one? Curious what other colorways it came in.

>>8151940
Yeah, I definitely noticed that a lot of the JM that comes up looks to be pretty worn out, which I was worried about in particular when noting prices. That's good to hear about the accessories though, around what I was hoping for.

Thanks very much!

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>>8151920

I've mostly watched ETC dress prices on closet child (there's a couple of specific prints I'm after). They're having a sale now, normally the prices on ETC are a bit higher.

For a shirred dress, it's usually 15k-20+k yen (pretty close to retail, or just under it). For an unshirred dress, the price is much lower, usually around the 7k-10k yen mark.

There's a few items that are exceptions because they were big hits: ETC had a gingerbread print, the shirred version sold for above retail even one year after release (price might be lower now since it's been more than a few years).
Jane Marple had an angel bottle necklace that used to get into serious bidwars with even worn necklaces going way over retail prices.

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>>8151950
Oops, forgot to mention that the 3,000-5,000yen accessories are mostly rings.

I don't recommend buying JM secondhand unless you're after a print like Strawberry Label. JM has really good sales; their entire store was 50% off during this winter's Grand Bazaar and their Shinjuku store went up to 70& off. I think their sales are instore only though, so you'd need a SS.

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>>8151940
Eh, I find ETC to be really cheap in Tokyo, actually. Unless it's a super popular print (donuts & cutlery, gentleman rabbit, etc.), I feel like it usually goes for about half of retail, sometimes nwt pieces included.

>>8151920
JM is the most expensive and hard to find. Non-print pieces (particularly skirts) pop up often enough for decent prices (below 100) but prints tend to hold their value relatively well.
ETC/LG are mid-price. They're cheaper (both retail and secondhand) than JM, but the cost of individual pieces tends to vary wildly based on the print. I've purchased print JSKs for less than 5,000 new with tags and others for like retail (roughly 20k) for very good used condition.

Milk tends to be pretty cheap (excluding their bags). I've picked up things like the donut cutsew OPs and vintage stamp OP for like 40-60 dollars and a used skirt for like 15 dollars once. However, I had also seen that skirt sell for around $100 in similar condition. It's really all about being patient and really keeping your eyes peeled for deals.

I'm bad about buying accessories, so I'm no help there. I do feel like they're harder to find secondhand, though, so that's my excuse.

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>>8151920
Pricing is really dependent on how popular and sought after the piece is, and how new it is. ETC tends to go cheap, Leur Getter not so much (I guess because the brand is new?), and Jane Marple prices can be dead cheap or horrendously expensive.

Jane Marple skirts tend to go from anywhere between 5,000 yen up to 25,000 yen, more commonly I'd say they come up around the 15,000 mark. The jewellery will go from 1,000 yen up to 20,000 yen if it's a really popular and sought after item (like the jam jar necklace), but tends to sit around 3,000 - 5,000 yen.

If you keep an eye on the auctions, you can get amazing deals for popular items. I've been able to get items that go for 20,000 yen+ for 5,000 - 10,000 yen cause I got lucky.

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>>8152265
>keep an eye on the auctions
speaking of which, there are two different colourways of the Royal stamp skirt up right now for about retail if anyone's looking for it

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>>8152265
I'm really interested in their crown rings/necklaces. It seems like they release them all the time in different styles but do the velvet ones like the one currently sold out on the site tend to go for an obscene amount? I'm mostly into their regimental and solid skirts/dresses so I hope those go for not too much in decent condition.

Thanks a lot for the estimations to everyone that replied, it really helps.

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>>8150267
For this i prefer otome rather than classic lolita, otome has more cuter, colourful and unique prints with animals or fruits/sweets, classic is more conservative looking, also too mature for my face/body and taste, i'm 24 but i want still wear sweet lolita even way past 30 and otome for casual or more toned down stuff. ETC fruit prints are my love!

[Anonymous No.8152454]

>>8129176
i'd say it's soft sister or larme kei

[Anonymous No.8152980]

>>8151909
If you want to bring another color in, a deep cool red shade would look great (it needs to be on the cool side, since it's a cool brown dress). Think wine and burgundy shades.

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>>8144940
white or gray socks for sure

maybe add in navy for a third color in a blazer or cardigan

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>>8151909

I totally agree with >>8152980, add in deep burgundy and play up the navy blue too. It'll be adorable

[Anonymous No.8153603]

Anyone have recommendations for good sock/stocking shops, other than the brands (including franche lippee and whatnot)?
I feel like legwear is really important in otome, and when I look at my own outfits, what I'm usually lacking in is either small signature accessories or (more frequently) interesting legwear.
I love ETC's striped and polka dot OTKs, but secondhand legwear doesn't seem to be so popular for otome brands. Most lolita legwear doesn't really work, either, and most normalfag stuff just lacks that otome feel.

[Anonymous No.8153744]

>>8152980
Passing color theory anon would just like to point out that burgundy is actually the warm counterpart of wine/bordeaux.... so burgundy is not a good choice.

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>>8153744
>looks up items and swatches marked 'burgundy'
>virtually all cool
>not convinced

Maybe this is correct technically anon but the principle of 'use a cool deep red' remains the same, not to mention the entire internet seems to (perhaps incorrectly) use 'burgundy' to describe their cool red products. As long as that anon understands what a cool red looks like, it doesn't really matter as long as using such terms brings up a bunch of suitable items.

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>>8153603
Honestly most of my tights/socks are from various Aliexpress sellers. Sockdreams is good if you want something basic like stripes or polka dots. Celeste Stein has some funky patterns but a few of them work well for otome imo. Modcloth has good tights now and them since they target the twee/quirky market. And if you have a Daiso in your area they can get some cute ruffle ankle socks in different colors.