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So I've seen a few lolitas move on to Mana's brand, and specifically go to EGA years ago and haven't heard much about that since. I was wondering what /cgl/ thinks of Aristocrat and if it's possible for Aristocrat to eventually diversify into multiple sub-types like lolita did. Or if there are more examples out there of it than the eight pictures I keep finding.

I think Aristocrat looks pretty cool, personally, but where I live the dark colors would kill me in the heat haha.

>> No.7689318

>>7689314
>Mana

It's Mana-SAMA

>> No.7689319

Holy mary mother of fuck I want to lick that chick's butt while she makes that exact face.

>> No.7689333

>>7689318
Mana-kun

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I like the outfit on the left a lot but those boots just ruin it. Needs something more subtle and appropriate. Maybe some boots with charcoal spats.

>> No.7689368

>>7689319
ew.

>> No.7689383

Aristocrat is just ~fancy goth~ basically. There's not really much for subtypes because it's a twist of western goth.

>> No.7689409

>>7689383
I disagree. The silhouette is completely different and too inspired by lolita to just be 'fancy Japanese take on western goth'. Western goths look like suicidal mimes with a spider fetish.

>> No.7689654

>>7689409
>Western goths look like suicidal mimes with a spider fetish.
No.

>> No.7689659

>>7689319
wtf man...

>> No.7689664

can we have more Aristocrat pictures in here?

>> No.7689738

>>7689664
Can you use your manners?

>> No.7689764

>>7689738
Please?

>> No.7689979

babump

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>> No.7690099

>>7690053
hate the bonnet but dayum

>>7690050

This one is also super cool, could do with a bit of red jewelry maybe

>> No.7690104

>>7690013
This is gorgeous. What brand?

>> No.7690388

>>7690104
atelier boz, the back ground is the inside of the store.
If you google the brand you'll find their store blog which has great outfit shots

>> No.7690414

Where can I buy things like this, on a budget?

Any Taobao shops, or ebay/aliexpress?

I feel like I'd look nice in this style, lolita never *quite* suited me.

>> No.7690415

>>7690414
eh, I don't think there's anything really out there for that since everyone is focus on the GLORIOUS LOLITA MASTER RACE. But maybe I'm wrong.

>> No.7690422

>>7690415
I know there's a few on F+F (I had my eye on one, actually). I'll just have to dig around.

>> No.7690437

>>7690414
ichigo15, r-series come to mind.

>> No.7690475

This looks a bit easier to wear if you're a lower plus-size than lolita is, since you don't need to worry about your chunky thighs ruining your tights or anything.

>> No.7690723

who the fuck is Mana-sama

>> No.7690729

>>7690723
Our Lord and Savior.

>> No.7690732

>>7690729
an actual explanation would be nice? is she a famous model or something?

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>>7690414
CP got a own seperate brand for that:
http://brokendoll.taobao.com/

Some other stores with some:
http://shop57159892.taobao.com/
http://rose-melody.taobao.com/ (allows customizing lolita dresses to EGA lenght)
http://shop35513190.taobao.com/
http://lostluna.taobao.com/
http://shop35467425.taobao.com/
http://xx69thxx.taobao.com/

>> No.7690739

>>7689318
Manabanana-chan~

>> No.7690755

Man, as a dude I wish I could dress like this even once without people asking if I'm trying to look like Professor Snape.

>>7690732
How do I google?

>> No.7690758

mana-sama is LOVE. mana-sama is LIFE. ALL HAIL

>> No.7690759

>>7690732
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mana_(musician)

>> No.7690762

>>7690011
s-sauce please?

>> No.7690763

>>7690025
fucking incredible

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>>7690732
Mana is/was a musician for Malice Mizer and later Moi dix Mois who sort of sprung lolita out into the open. Or that's how I see it anyway, others would probably argue different.Mana also created EGA/EGM. He also is like late 40s/early 50s and looks like a younger Yoko Ohno without make up so it's probably best that he's constantly in that stoic mask of make up.

>> No.7690768

I wish I were tall.

>tfw 154cm
>tfw stumpy in all long dresses and skirts
>tfw forever a stump

>> No.7690771

>>7690768
follow our LORD AND SAVIOR MANA-SAMA, and just buy ridiculously huge heels.

>> No.7690804

>>7690767
>EGM

Fuck right off.

>> No.7690821

>>7690804
I hate all of this stupid EGA stuff. Can't we just have lolita without someone trying to make it more 'mature'?? Fuck Mana as well! >:(

>> No.7690906

>>7690475
think about all the overweight black butler cos-players you see, that's what you'll look like.

You still need a defined waist for Aristo

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>>7690767
Case in point.

>> No.7690913

>>7690767
He actually came up with the name "gothic lolita" and it was him who had the idea for the Gothic and Lolita Bibles in the first place, which is why he is always featured.

>> No.7691016

>>7690912
Am I the only one who finds him gorgeous like this?

>> No.7691022

>>7690762
Here you go: http://www.gothlolicloset.com/goods/view?no=679

>> No.7691049

>>7690768
This, either more brolitas need to do this style or I need to grow seven inches. It looks amazing but seems kind of difficult to pull off.

>>7691016
The lower left photo is pretty awesome.

>> No.7691749

>>7690821
>>:(
Children shouldn't be on here.

>> No.7691768

>>7690821
I myself find it pretty irritating that a lot of people believe this is the style you are obligated to wear once you get "too old" for lolita.

I'm not a goth. I don't want to look like a fucking vampire. I don't like black. And yet, suddenly I'm supposed to change my preferences, my entire wardrobe, and dress like this because I'm older? No thanks.

>> No.7691794

>>7690913
I thought the lolita fashion predated Malice Mizer?

>> No.7691801

>>7690906
not all overweight people have a gigantic fupa, anon-chan. my problem is in the hips and below, for example, I have a good waist so I could pull EGA off with slightly less problem than with lolita.

>> No.7691816

A good rule for EGA and lolita is that if you can't see your genitals, stay out of the dress

and go on a walk

>> No.7691825

>>7691794
Kind of, it was Otome fashion that did look similar to Lolita but at that point it wasn't Lolita yet.

>> No.7691827

>>7691794

Predated, yeah, but Mana made it popular. The goth lolita branch anyway. People took it and made their own spinoffs since then. It's been about 20 years since the visual kei scene spewed out "lolita-as-a-pop-culture-fashion" now, and it's been well documented how it made it's way to western culture over that time.

>> No.7691831

>>7689343
>spats

hildekitten? is that you?

>> No.7691931

>>7691831
Who is Hildekitten?

>> No.7691955

>>7691831
I thought the same thing, then decided just not to reply.

>>7691931
You don't need to know who she is, just that she wears spats, particularly knitted spats, with every outfit ever.

>> No.7691959

I love the elegance of aristo. I wish it was more popular.

>> No.7691994

>>7690735
Thank you, anon, I love you.

>> No.7692038

>>7689409
You clearly haven't seen many goths in your life.

Also, American goths =/= all western goths.


>>7690414
Getting stuff like that on a budget is tricky, especially since they don't tend to have shirring and the style only looks really good if your clothes actually fit well. Too large/small outfit is pretty much the opposite of a fancy aristocrate.

>>7690906
That's what (actually functioning) corsets are for.

>> No.7692060

>>7691768
Some people also consider too old dressing in lolita (especially sweet) in your early or middle 20s *facepalm*. Or some people suggest to dress classic when you get older, i hate also this when said! Well my non lolita style is mostly goth but more on the punkish/cute side than elegant so i won't change dressing in sweet lolita with aristocrat when i'm older because is a style not fitting for me and i love the fact i'm not wearing gothic lolita despite being a goth. Some people will say i'm a big poser not dressing in gothic but i don't care.
So even if you are in your 60s and still wanting to dress lolita, do it in whatever style you like.

>> No.7692066

>>7692038
I don't trust most people with corsets, honestly. They could end up getting hurt or wasting $80 by ruining one.

>> No.7692069

>>7689343
No one is going to shell out the money for a good pair of real spat covered boots for an outfit they'll only wear to a con and tea party

>> No.7692076

>>7692038
Maybe she confused some mallgoths trying too hard to be "i'm so goffik i shat spiderwebs". And also between true goths there are some badly dressed some good, it depends of their tastes.

>> No.7692105

>>7692066
Acually, a good corset usually costs way more than 80$ and unless you have a very "standard" body shape it's usually best to get one that's actually tailored to you.
That said, you're probably right about the rest, corsets are tricky and if you don't know what you're doing it tends to look worse than without.

Still, curvey goth ladies who DO know what they are doing look great in them.

>> No.7692120

>>7692076
There are lots of pretty awfully dressed goths as well, but that's true about literally every fashion.
I mean, it's no different with lolita but judging the fashion by the worst itas would be stupid.

>> No.7692145

>>7692105
My friend does Ren-faire stuff, and the corsets from that age are not forgiving on human bodies let me tell you that. It's 'period accurate' and she usually needs help getting in and out.

I think you could get away with a corselet or maybe a girdle in EGA. I know girdles are still sold by speciality stores and are slightly cheaper than corsets.

>> No.7692249

Mall goths are a plague. Some grow out of it, some never stop wearing Hot Topic.

>> No.7692306

>>7691022
Thank you !

>> No.7692372

>>7692120
I have seen lots of very badly dressed goths as well ita weebs. I love goth people as well lolita people.
>>7692249
I think HT can be a good place to find some items (even if almost of the time have awful hipster stuff) but for me there are way better places to buy gothic items online, i'm from Europe so shipping was so expensive from HT and no good items as other goth fashion sites. Also overpriced a lot.

>> No.7692655

bump for more EGA and advice

>> No.7692712

>>7690759
>>7690767
>spoonfeeding the retards
"Give a man a fish" and all of that.

>> No.7692721

>>7692712
answering a question isn't spoonfeeding not everyone knows about VK or shit.

>> No.7692729

>>7692721
you're right, because it's not like these people who post on /cgl/ have access to Google.

No way they can access that super secret search engine page. Heck, I'll probably be taken away by the Spanish inquisition for just mentioning it.

>> No.7692817

>>7692729
What's the point of /cgl/ then man, everyone can just look up tips on Google or find brands by typing in 'lolita clothing brands', we don't need /cgl/ to tell us anything!
Down with /cgl/ and its useless existence!

>> No.7692843

>>7690025
i love that skirt does anyone know who carries it

>> No.7692869

>>7691825
Otome? Don't you mean natural kei?
I thought otome popped up later and it also looks more similar to latter day lolita, not like early lolita at all.

>>7692817
Anon literally asked "who is Mana-sama" and when you type in "Mana-sama" in google you get his wikipedia page as the first hit. You don't get personal experiences, tips, up-to-date information and community opinions by typing "lolita fashion" into google. /cgl/ isn't a fucking search engine, it's a community.

>>7692843
Oh you sweet summer child.
That's the long version of Moi Meme Moitie's Iron Gate skirt. I hope you have money saved up.

>> No.7692895

>>7692869
for that price I hope fucking unionized elves with needles carved from unicorn horn made it.

>> No.7692904

>>7692895
Using thread spun from Arachne herself, yep.

>> No.7694514

Would it be okay to mix small white accessories or use a shawl in EGA?

>> No.7695879

>>7692895
I love that you specified UNIONIZED elves.

>> No.7696225

>>7692060
What colour is the sky on your airyfairy hugbox planet? Sure, you can wear what you like at any age but if you wear young or youthful or childlike attire (sweet lolita, fairy kei) and you have a mature looking face and/or a mature/soccer mom/busty figure, you will look fucking stupid, end of.

>> No.7696238

>>7696225
Well i don't have such features hopefully so i look good if i choose the right colors and dress shapes. There is also a way to wear sweet lolita in a more toned way and more mature for example using darker colors like navy, red or black, subtle prints or no prints at all or choosing patterns like polkadots or gingham. Not every sweet lolita coordinate is an explosion of pastel vomit, well i like also that but i wear it toned down usually. There is also classic sweet if a person don't like full classic coordination.

>> No.7697126

>>7691801
I always think of Kailyn when I hear the word fupa

>> No.7697129

>>7690906
Yes! So many bad Sebastian's.

>> No.7697132

>>7690767
Wasn't it EGA/EGL? What's EGM?

>> No.7697172

>>7697132
Elegant Gothic Mana, obviously. /sarcasm