Europe

[Anonymous No.7334520]

So whats hot in Europe right now? I constantly see new faces of " popular" cosplayers. Who do you think is worth inviting to a con as a guest? Discuss.

I only know Elffi and Callssara. Not really happy with their style though. Divas.

[Anonymous No.7336098]

>>7334520
why do you think of them that way? I never met them, I am quite curious.
Oh, thats is always Kamui!

[Anonymous No.7336132]

I live in beige-blob-above-Greece so what I say may not be all that accurate, but I do visit German cons frequently and we have our own shitty con too.
Pretty much what you would find on other continents except less Homestuck and more dumblr cosplays.

[Anonymous No.7336447]

>>7336098
Let me sum it up for you so we don't have a need for another drama thread: Bell cosplays popular characters she doesn't know and bitches online about people judging her for it. Her shoops are unnatural and the costumes are subpar. She's almost unknown in Germany but thinks she's a world-class star.

Elffi is a boytoy who rarely makes his own costumes, yet never gives credit. He has never admitted publicly that the kurobasu costume was bought even though it's obvious. His costumes are sloppy and inaccurate and to top it all off he has a horrible attitude problem. This has been discussed over and over again in the Finnish cosplay threads and I've never met a Finn who takes him seriously.

[Anonymous No.7336449]

>>7336098
Let me sum it up for you so we don't have a need for another drama thread: Calssara cosplays popular characters she doesn't know and bitches online about people judging her for it. Her shoops are unnatural and the costumes are subpar. She's almost unknown in Germany but thinks she's a world-class star.

Elffi is a boytoy who rarely makes his own costumes, yet never gives credit. He has never admitted publicly that the kurobasu costume was bought even though it's obvious. His costumes are sloppy and inaccurate and to top it all off he has a horrible attitude problem. This has been discussed over and over again in the Finnish cosplay threads and I've never met a Finn who takes him seriously.

[Anonymous No.7336555]

>>7336449
yeah i heard the same...You know those false people. I am still so amazed that they are still invited to a cons with their attitiude.

>>7334520
I would totally say Kamui. Girl has those skills, even if she is only chained up to one matrial ( which is stupid in my opinion.)

[Anonymous No.7338159]

I'd like to hear about conventions in Estonia. Are there any?

[Anonymous No.7338164]

>>7336449
Calssara came to a con here as international guest, she seemed nice... Did not watch her workshop, because the venue sucked and you could not hear anything.

[Anonymous No.7338188]

>>7338159
Yeah, there is JAFF and Animatsuri.

[Anonymous No.7338198]

>>7336555
Has she only ever experimented with Worbla? her stuff is nicely made, but gets boring after a while. I wonder if she even knows how to sew.

[Anonymous No.7338567]

>>7338198
She can sew but it's not pretty and worbla is her only strong point, so I agree it does get old. Even her husband does all of the painting.

[Anonymous No.7338656]

>>7336449
That's weird. They were just at a con I was staffing, and I was even staff at both of their panels and they were both well behaved and polite. Got very mild diva vibes from Elffi (but he did seem like he was trying to behave/be nice/joke/etc) and Calssara was a little sweetheart. She even knew a lot when I was asking about her costume. That being said I don't usually hang out in these thread, out of interest anyone got a link/source to said dramoo?

[Anonymous No.7338676]

>>7338656
Check the archives, there should be something there. It's been discussed to death how he hasn't made all of his costumes himself, how he cosplays characters foreign to him for attention and is an overall dick beneath the layer of public politeness. The Finnish cosplayers know more about this issue and they've shared a lot of stuff here before.

[Anonymous No.7338682]

>>7338567
Yeah, her armors are amazing but it's almost always due to the superb paint job by her husband. They're starting to all look the same after the bazillionth fantasy worbla armor with swirly things and horns. Actually it wouldn't even bother me so much if she didn't start crying and whining and entering martyr mode when told that she needs to research other materials as well.

[Anonymous No.7338993]

>>7338682
exactly! Like there was no other materials than thermoplastics. I know she is sponsored and basically paid to keep blessing worbla but come on people, foam can do the same shit anyway. And dosen't weight this shit loads of kilos.

[Anonymous No.7339000]

>>7336449
This thread needs more GOOD European cosplayers, less drama about this diva bitches.

[Anonymous No.7339034]

>>7339000
this year ECG group winners, Shoko and Jerome. Loved their skit.

[Anonymous No.7339040]

>>7339000
and solo winner, Shappi. Goregous craftmanship.

[Anonymous No.7339064]

>>7339000
Lightning

[Kamui !hMk3cortn2 No.7339078]

>>7338993
Show me a foam costume which looks after 20 trips in a suitcase over the world still like new. I surerely can use other materials which are far less expensive, but I just need something solid and durable. Right now I build everything for a suitcase transportation and so that's the perfect material. And well, I just hate sewing and love crafting. I guess, I will never understand why you guys are so much against thermoplastics.

[Anonymous No.7339126]

>>7338164
>to a con here as international guest, she seemed nice... Did not watch her workshop, because the venue sucked and you could not hear anything.

Olá

[Anonymous No.7339157]

>>7339078
butthurt much?
Okay so honest, drama-free opinion. It is about the fact you seem like simply can work only with this material - which gets boring lately. Each costume is like a copy of last one, especially with your style of painting.

[Kamui !hMk3cortn2 No.7339170]

>>7339157
Well I hope my upcoming costumes will show a bit more variaty. I'll keep on doing armors, but I try to show more different shapes, structures and colors.

[Anonymous No.7339173]

>>7339157
>>7339064
Speaking about that, don't you think that Lightning is like a ( more attractive ) copy of Kamui? The style with worbla is just so similar everywhere. Why people can't get creative and invent something of theiir own?

[Anonymous No.7339180]

>>7339170
Sure, glhf with that.
But If I may suggest , don't use your technique for this Thor costume. This looks like a thin pieces of steel and worbla sandwhich will appear too thick for this one.
Overall I don't think this cosplay will suit you. But it is your choice.

[Kamui !hMk3cortn2 No.7339192]

>>7339180
Thor? I guess, you mean Faora from Man of Steel, right? Plan is to use a different crafting and painting method. And to hide my ugly face under her helmet. Overall however I guess the required thickness is perfect for a sandwich.But yeah, that's just my opinion.

[Anonymous No.7339825]

>>7339170
They look _exactly like your every other costumes_. It's always the same style fantasy armor with spikes and horns. How the hell can you even claim that you're trying out different shapes? Do something round and less detailed and that's when you're doing something different.

[Anonymous No.7340094]

>>7339192
ih yeah, that. My bad. I am not into this comics stuff.

[Anonymous No.7344810]

I like Kamui, she seems to do it for the love of crafting and not to be the prettiest most photographed sugoi kawaii at the convention. She's the anti-Nigri.

[Anonymous No.7344972]

>>7344810
well you cannot be kawai desu cosplayer with DAT face of hers. Just sayin.

[Anonymous No.7345051]

I don't get the bitching about why a cosplayer will focus on only one style or material. Each cosplayer will have their preferred choice. Doesn't matter what they choose. They are after all make the thing. I can't stand fur suits but I'm not going to knock others who do like them. Personally, I like Kamui's work. Not because she does the same thing but because it is made well and the finish is excellent.

[Anonymous No.7348473]

>>7345051
Thats fine with me but i fine hilarious that Kamui is butthurt over internet about pointing out her lack of talent with other materials. Girl, get a grip of yourself. Okay we understand that you like this material but if you don't agree with others opinion just ignore it - don't run around FB and post stuff about "worbla haters" and how you love your material. This is pathetic...

[Anonymous No.7348474]

>>7348473
woah... my thought exactly. i just checked the thread if someone told her again its opnion but it seems like she is simply butthurt and " dosent care" that much that she posts it all over fb. come on, i thought you are better than that. :((((

[Anonymous No.7348475]

>>7348473
She posts about "worbla haters"?

[Anonymous No.7348487]

>>7339126
Olá

[Anonymous No.7348508]

Kamui I LOVE you and your husband's work but he really really needs to lay off the "fake white reflection" painting crap. Those white lines he always paints. It looks REALLY bad and not like real reflected light AT ALL. It makes your awesome costumes look cheap... not hatin' at all, that's just ~my opinion~

[Anonymous No.7348511]

>>7348508
Just looks like weathered edges to me.

[Anonymous No.7348534]

>>7348508
agreed! I totally dont understand this , it dosent give it any realistic look - totally otherwise.

[Kamui !hMk3cortn2 No.7348555]

>>7348508
>>7348511
It's just my personal style and my goal is never to give my work a realistic look. So, that's a question of taste. I like the cartoonish style more and since the sales of my painting book are going well it looks like the most guys like this style too.

[Anonymous No.7348557]

>>7348555
Stating your opinion and reason why you like it is fine. But mentioning your book sales diminishes the credibility of your statement and makes it seem childish.

[Anonymous No.7348606]

I as a con organiser wil never ever invite cosplayers to a con if they want us to pay for their travel and accomodation. It's the main target group, why should anyone bother to waste tickets just because of a few facebook likers?

This trend is just downright absurde to me. There are thousands of cosplayers attending convention ,why should a few of them get special treatment? I wonder who would be stupid enough to surrender to this childish fame faggotry.

[Anonymous No.7348661]

>>7348606
If you're inviting someone as a guest to your con then usually the point is publicity and to pull in more ticket sales. The guests recognise this and whether they be actors, singers or even cosplayers then it's expected that you reimburse them for the use of their name.

If you know someone who is well known is coming and they offer or apply to do panels, talks or demonstrations at your con then that's a different matter.

[Anonymous No.7348857]

>>7348555
okay, sorry then.
>painting book sales are going well
because everyone else sucks and needs handholding

[Anonymous No.7349037]

The worbla people sponsor Kamui or something, so she doesn't have to pay for it. Hence the major pushing of the material on every single wip shot.

Why would she start using a material she actually has to pay for?

[Anonymous No.7349134]

>>7348606
> I have no idea about marketing and have to tell the whole internet about it

[Anonymous No.7349138]

>>7348555
keep on braging. Thats why people don't like you. Thats cool but most of the people that buy the book are curious/ unable to hold brush straight/ have too much cash. Someone with brain just will google the techniques , for example how to paint model kits...

[Anonymous No.7349147]

Why this thread has gone into " lets talk about Kamui"? We have so many talented cosplayers from Europe..

[Anonymous No.7349272]

Any upcoming cons in Europe?

[Anonymous No.7349279]

>>7349272
Paris Manga is in 4 days

[Anonymous No.7349310]

>>7349272
Desucon Frostbite in 14-16th. I still have quite mixed feelings about it. I can already predict all that elitism (read fedora autism) there..

[Anonymous No.7349649]

>>7348606

We also organize cons and we have great success with cosplay guests. Many people here never have the chance to meet a cosplayer from USA or another country. Also every country has a different idea of cosplay and you get a nice new perspective about how to do or see cosplay from people who are not from my own country. Also the panels are usually very interesting and teach people new stuff. Our con sold much more tickets after we had cosplay guests.
Also many of the visitors went crazy to see the guests. It is always a very nice experience for the visitors.
Also cosplayers are much cheaper to invite as f.e. an anime seiyuu or actors or comicbook artists. Those people take the hell of salary PLUS first class flights. and most cosplayers just take business class flight + hotel room....which is soooo much cheaper and still the con visitors are happy about it.


I know not every organizer is interested in cosplay (some would prefer a Japanese guest) but you have to hit the taste of the visitors.

[Anonymous No.7349655]

>>7349649
this. well said.

[Anonymous No.7349716]

>tfw no Naraku

[Anonymous No.7350717]

>>7349147
Agreed. Can we have more of the other talented cosplayers from Europe please.

[Anonymous No.7351079]

>>7349716
does anyone outside Germany know her?

[Anonymous No.7351086]

>>7348473
This is exactly my problem with her. I don't really have a problem with her making everything out of worbla, but I do have a problem with her claiming to do "something different" when it's always the same look and the same style of armor made out of Worbla that's weathered to hell and back.

And secondly I have a problem with the mentioned attitude of getting butthurt for being criticized for this. It'd be fine if she agreed that most of her stuff looks the same and she will never get out of worbla armors, but the fact that she has to keep acting like worbla is the holy essence of all cosplay and nothing could be as good-looking/durable/easy to work with as worbla and insulation foam. It's fine that she likes it but why the fuck does she always have to go into that ridiculous defensive mode and put down other materials? Nobody's hating worbla here, people just have a problem with your attitude towards it, Kamui.

And lastly >>7348555
This is the smuggest fucking thing I've read in a while. You just lost the last bit of respect in my eyes, Kamui. Learn to paint yourself instead of lurking cgl to see if we're talking about you.

[Anonymous No.7351186]

>>7351086

[Anonymous No.7351187]

>>7334520
I cannot 2nd this! I met her at my con and she was very kind and humble (took a lot of time to talk to everybody). Also answers always every massage very fast and helps people to find good tutorials.

Sry but OP just seems to think every cosplayer who has some more likes is a diva. Just because of butthurt, others are not suddenly bad people.

[Anonymous No.7351188]

>>7350717
Enji! I know she is mosty all about the body but still, like her. And she is not that huge attention whore as other boobielicous cosplayers.

[Anonymous No.7351194]

>>7351187
Uh actually I heard the same stuff as OP you know... And it was from few convetion organisers so I guess she had this mask in front of fans and acts diva-like after.

[Anonymous No.7351411]

>>7351194
which con shall that be? proof.
and I am also an organizer and there was no trouble.

[Anonymous No.7354229]

So, what's NärCon like in terms of merch? What do they sell?

[Anonymous No.7357340]

>>7351411
really anon? proofs? Please... I have no interest in cosplay drama since I am lolita.
For example JE, I was told she was unbearable diva at that time.

[Anonymous No.7358102]

>>7357340
I've heard bits about her being a diva too. Like the kind that complains and whines about everything at the convention and talks shit about other people. Some people that have met her and hung around with her at conventions say that she's not very bright or mature, but that could also be her just putting on a "silly sweetheart" act.

[Anonymous No.7358266]

>>7357340
>>7358102
This. And also her huge fuss around internet stalking ( I wouldnt be surprised if they made that up for more attention) is just annoying. Okay we get it, you find yourself super attractive , you dont have to post about "crazy fans" all around...

[Anonymous No.7358551]

>>7338188
H-have I finally found a fellow Estonian seagull?

[Anonymous No.7358587]

>>7344972
I actually like her derpy face and think it's cute, but to each their own.

>>7349037
this. If someone told me they'd give me all my materials of a certain type or sponsor me making a certain kind of costume, you'd better believe I'd be a one trick pony for the most part.

I really like seeing Kamui's work and don't care that it might all be similar, I think it's great. The attitude in this thread, not so much. There's no need to be defensive; you do you.

[Anonymous No.7358608]

It's far away but I'm hoping to hit up AnimagiC in Bonn this coming August...what's the cosplay scene like?

Amerifag here btw

[Anonymous No.7358848]

>>7358608
Don't go there, seriously. Animagic has become a shit tier level convention. Still big but got worse and worse over the last few years. I'd recommend Connichi in Kassel as an alternative.

[R.D. !!73iCscAAWq1 No.7358868]

>>7358848
I can only agree to Anon. Animagic sucks ass. The tickets are overpriced as hell and they built a goddamn fence around the area. I have been inside due to ~*connections*~ (like hell I'm throwing money at people that put up a fucking fence) and nothing I have seen would have justified those prices. Not even the toilets.

But I think it really depends what you are looking for in a convention. Animagic invites some musicians from Japan and stuff but since I really do not care about them and mainly want to hang out with friends and see the cosplayers, I do not think their presence justifies the buttload of money they take from you for the privilege of getting behind the fence.

Because of the bad rep the convention got, there are not as many cosplayers coming there as to Connichi but you can always see some of them hanging out at the Rhineside. Connichi, however, is the preferred convention, even though last year was not as great as usual, considering the organisation and overall feeling to it.

Dokomi is really cool as well and a bit smaller than the Connichi, so it has much of the charm of the early convention-years in Germany - also the artist alley there is hella sweet.

[Anonymous No.7358874]

>>7358868
how much is a ticket?

[R.D. !!73iCscAAWq1 No.7358887]

>>7358874
okay now you made me google it and i feel like an idiot having to tell you that a 3day pass is 59€ which is actually somewhat accepteable.
it's probably me being assmad about having spent years hanging out all around the area before they built a fence lol

still... I will keep saying the convention sucks and I'm not the only one being butthurt about dat fence. Pic related

[Anonymous No.7358902]

>>7358887
60€ really?
here people get apeshit because they have to pay 18 euros for a two day pass in the most expensive event in our country.

[Anonymous No.7358920]

>>7358868
>Not even the toilets.
>Implying people don't just take a piss in the Rhine river.

[R.D. !!73iCscAAWq1 No.7358928]

>>7358920
Why take piss in disgusting rhine when you can go to the restaurant nearby and use their clean bathroom that also has antiperspirant spray and make-up tissues for everyone as well as mirrors with good light where you can touch up your make-up?

[Anonymous No.7358966]

>>7349310
It has already begun. The head organizers wife was acting all high and mighty and threatened boycotting Tracon for something one of their organizers said as a personal opinion.

[Anonymous No.7359014]

>>7358868
AnimagiC really is not worth going anymore. At least for me as a cosplayer. I'm not too interested in music acts anyway - if I were I would go to a normal concert like Girugamesh or Kyari! They happen often enough by now anyway. Last year we had godfucking Perfume in cologne!

But anyways, back to topic. My favourite conventions are Connichi and Dokomi. I also would recommend those to foreign visitors, as they tend to have a more intercultural atmosphere.

Regarding the ticket prices and budgets: Dokomi costs like half of what I pay for connichi or what I would pay for animagic tickets (like I would ever pay for that shitnest), but they still offer quite alot for the low price. (does anyone actually know how they do that?) Going to japanday of course doesn't cost any money at all if you live close by. But then again it's not actually a convention but rather a cultural street festival. It's still quite nice, even though it can get extremely full at times!

[Anonymous No.7359033]

>>7358966
Can I have a brief timetable of cons in Finland? I have absolutely no idea about any of them, I just moved from Estonia a year ago (to be a student, not a hooker)

[Anonymous No.7359188]

>>7359033
Yukicon january?
Desucon Frostbite 2nd week of february
Tampere Kuplii somewhere in april or may
Cosvision may
Desucon 2nd week of june usually
Animecon and Ropecon in july
Tracon september
plus a ton of smaller cons in middle and northern Finland that aren't even worth of going

[Anonymous No.7360219]

>>7358966
Well, she's an uptight bitch anyway. Her costumes are so bad and she's constantly whining and complaining about everything. I've never seen her actually say something nice.

[Anonymous No.7360271]

>>7358966
whose wife whut? all the desu crew are fucking dicks but I want to know the drama anyway

[Anonymous No.7360290]

>>7359188
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.7360292]

>>7358966
Yeah I'm high and mighty by default. Because of that I don't really like to be called anyone's wife, I have opinions of my own. Feminist raaaage

That said, in this case you kind of need to get the ioke that I've been to every Tracon but never ever had a lecture there on my own. Me saying "I'll never ever do any programming for Tracon!" is an empty threat because uh, I haven't done anything for Tracon and they've done quite fine in the program department. I'm not that important nor do I believe myself to be.

Also hi Reggy. You're pissing a lot of people off.

[Anonymous No.7360300]

>>7360292
Wow you sad fucks airing your dirty laundry in public on fucking 4chan. If you have that much freetime, why don't you try coming up with something actually original for Desucon this year.

[Anonymous No.7360321]

>>7360300
Why, you asked! I'm doing my lecture right now trying to process some videos. Takes time until ready.

You could also consider saying your opinion with your face and name. I'm sure you know my Twitter handle. I don't trip here on 4chan (that's for wannabe cosplay celebs) but I tend to make it obvious who's the one doing the typing.

[Anonymous No.7360337]

>>7360321
I don't know your twitter, I don't even know your name. I stopped going to desucon three years ago because I haven't seen anything really change except the price going up. The first year it was different and exciting and provided actual new content for the first time in years in the finnish con scene. Since then it's nothing but some voice actors and random singers, the same yaoi panel every year and flavor of the month moe shit and organizing teams inside jokes or drama.

[Anonymous No.7360354]

>>7360337
Well in that case I apologize, diffanon.

What would you like to see? I'm out of the organizing circles these days so I can't actually do much, but I do believe those who can are reading this.

If you don't care about lectures, then I sadly believe Desucon is not the con for you, as program is its focus and that is the one thing that is not going to change. Minor point but Desucon hasn't had a yaoi panel in at least three years? The first one did have a yaoi panel but after that I can't remember a single one.

[Anonymous No.7360373]

>>7339170

For real tho Kamui, ever since Ayacon in the UK I just think you're the bee's knees. I'm looking forward to seeing photos of these!

[Anonymous No.7360387]

>>7360354
there's a bl panel at frostbite and there was one last year iirc, I do check the program every year before passing. The lectures are very single series oriented, If you don't like the hot hits of the year there's hardly anything for you. Most of the lectures I have seen were either panels where the hosts ran out of time because they were giggling amongst themselves and listing their fave characters, or single person lectures that always seem to be basic info about the series and this is why I like it and this is what I ship.

In the beginning desu was something different, there was a reason to pay a lot of money to get in, but these days the program is almost identical to the contents page of Animelehti and every other con in the country. Often it's even the exact same person giving the exact same lecture. It seems that desu is running out of proper big name guest stars, I think it's idiotic to withold the names of the so called GoH's and let the hype sell the tickets and then people are left with yet another japanese girl who once voiced a madoka character.

I guess you're right, it's not for me and that's why I don't go. I just hate how the con scene in this country is one big circle jerk and there's nothing new anywhere ever. I guess Fanfest kind of tried but even they fucked it up and got nothing to show for themselves excpet a huge debt.

[Anonymous No.7360396]

>>7359188
I think only Desucon & Frostbite, Animecon and Tracon are that big anime related cons that are "worth of visit on Finland".

For other mentions:
- Yukicon is second winter con on Finland, on this year they didn't had any Japanese guest, but most likely they will get something bigger for next year.
- Cosvision sure sounds interesting and I hope that their con will success, but so far I can't say anything of it.
- Ropecon is for roleplaying, so it will be bit boring if you only like of anime.

>>7359033
https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?title=Conconin+tapahtumakalenteri&pli=1&src=76spv59l09k13asmc7dle53gn8%40group.calendar.google.com there's "semiofficial" timetable for cons & lanpartys.

[Anonymous No.7360403]

>>7351188
ok she's hot

[Anonymous No.7360422]

>>7360387
>The lectures are very single series oriented, If you don't like the hot hits of the year there's hardly anything for you
Yes, the lectures at AN ANIME CONVENTION suck for you if you don't like or watch anime. Desucon does not want you there.

[Anonymous No.7360453]

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[Anonymous No.7360458]

>>7360453
fuck off iltanyymi

[Anonymous No.7360464]

>>7360453
iltanyymi se nimi piiloon

[Anonymous No.7360465]

Iltis our hero ;_;

[Anonymous No.7360470]

desucon has gone stale because it's always the same people doing the same damn program (tounis being a fantastic example), and constantly rising the price of the tickets is not helping. Some organizers also have gotten really full of themselves because apparently working for desucon is some sort of a rare privilege and makes them a special person or something.

Also huilailee stop acting like you're some hot shit, the only reason anyone bothers with you is because you're married to the hotshot.

[Anonymous No.7360467]

>>7360453

[Anonymous No.7360472]

>>7360458
>>7360464
>>7360465

[Anonymous No.7360484]

>>7360470
> desucon has gone stale because it's always the same people doing the same damn program (tounis being a fantastic example),
Maybe you just don't get it because you're not a real anime hobbyist? The lectures are quite in-depth, you won't really get anything out of them if you watch 1 anime per season (and thats the shitty noitaminA title that isn't even really anime)

The english language sucks because it doesn't have a word for it, but you are a harrastelija.

[Anonymous No.7360482]

I'm tired of this asperger shit

[Anonymous No.7360497]

>>7360470
1/5

[Anonymous No.7360508]

>>7360422
what does it being an anime con have to do with that? Why shouldn't an anime con have more general lectures say on mecha series in general instead of focusing on one series? Why not have a general lecture about the impact of moe and it's status in the japanese society vs the west istead of focusing on one series?

[Anonymous No.7360514]

>>7360508
>Why shouldn't an anime con have more general lectures say on mecha series in general instead of focusing on one series?
Because we anime hobbyists already know the general things? We want something more in-depth about our interests. And besides, Desucon does have lectures like that as well.

[Anonymous No.7360536]

>>7360514
did you even read my original post? I complained about the fact that most lectures only give the basic info. No one really does in depth lectures without them being one series focused. That was my point. For example, I like mecha but I hate Geass so if the only mecha lectures are introduction to mecha and super deep shit about geass, there's nothing. There's a way to be critical and analytical and deep about anime without having to focus on one goddamn series only.

[Anonymous No.7360542]

>>7360536
Make a lecture like that, then.

>There's a way to be critical and analytical and deep about anime without having to focus on one goddamn series only.
But it'll honestly be quite hard to fit that into a ~45min-1h30min lecture without it leaving tremendous holes here and there or being too general. There are shows that would, alone, deserve more time for a proper analysis.

[Anonymous No.7360552]

>>7360542
The kind of stuff I'm looking for is something like the dr who and feminism lecture at fanfest. The speaker had dpne her masters on the topic.

I just want to learn something new and feel that the speaker actually has authority to be talking about whatever it is they're talking about. This is entirely missing in the anime con scene in finland.

I won't make the lecture because I am simply not a public speaker. Until someone else does it, I simply don't pay for con tickets because I'm not missing anything by not going.

[Anonymous No.7360566]

>>7360542
why not give these lectures longer slots then?

[Anonymous No.7360560]

>>7360470
>desucon has gone stale because it's always the same people doing the same damn program
I kind of agree with this.

Looking at the program schedule for Frostbite it's mostly meme shouting, girls shows (possibly with good analysis etc, but the shows themselves are shit), or people who don't know anything ruining topics that could be interesting.

Thank god there are some new people in the scene who seem to have some interest in doing panels about topics that matter. Too bad a lot of them seem to be too afraid of going on the stage.

[Anonymous No.7360561]

>>7360552
>I just want to learn something new and feel that the speaker actually has authority to be talking about whatever it is they're talking about.
And it has to be general enough that you don't need to have an interest in anime to enjoy it, let alone watched a series?

Yup, a bad case of harrastelu.

[Anonymous No.7360564]

>>7360552
>I just want to learn something new and feel that the speaker actually has authority to be talking about whatever it is they're talking about. This is entirely missing in the anime con scene in finland.
So you haven't visited on smaller cons? There's few awesome speakers that haven't had any talk on bigger cons.

[Anonymous No.7360571]

>>7360560
>possibly with good analysis etc, but the shows themselves are shit
>bawww desucon has gone stale because I don't like anime
Wow, just, wow. I'm really happy you're not coming to the only con for us anime hobbyists.

[Anonymous No.7360578]

>>7360561
where the fuck did I say that? I don't like every single anime in the world, and it seems that every year most lectures are on series I don't like. I have never seen a lecture on Gundam SEED or Magic Knight Rayearth, if I had I would've gone. I don't like 00 or Sailor Moon so there's nothing for me to enjoy because the lectures are series oriented and there's no general, in depth lectures on either mechas or magical girls.

[Anonymous No.7360582]

>>7360571
With your criteria, it's only you and your friends who qualify for the hobbyist status.

[Anonymous No.7360583]

>>7360571
But I am coming though and there are a bunch of panels I'll be attending.

[Anonymous No.7360586]

>>7360582
There are indeed very few anime hobbyists in Finland.

>>7360578
Some of those aren't anime as we know anime today.

[Anonymous No.7360592]

>>7360564
yes, and I mostly enjoy them. This discussion was me trying to explain how I think desucon could be improves and I guess, all the big ones really. Small local cons and more innovative and instead of inane retarded fangirling/boying there's actual discussions and stuff. The bad thing about small cons is that they're often really far away.

[Anonymous No.7360593]

>>7360578
And to add, of course most lectures are about current anime (or just recent).

Most serious anime watchers watch those and we've already said everything there is to say about some crappy 90s magical girl kids show.

[Anonymous No.7360594]

>>7360586
So how's the ivory tower nowadays?

[Anonymous No.7360599]

>>7360578
There has been a general Gundam lecture.
This year there is an in depth lecture about magical girl genre as a whole.

[Anonymous No.7360600]

>>7360586
englantia äidinnussija, puhutko sitä?

[Anonymous No.7360601]

>>7360578
>wanting a lecture on SEED
You know, it would just be about pointing out why it's such a piece of shit show that ruined Gundam forever.

[Anonymous No.7360602]

>>7360600
Kyllä, harrastelija.

[Anonymous No.7360611]

>>7360599
the magical girl lecture only mentions sailor moon, madoka and ccs by name, and nothing in the program description promises anything critical, analytical or in depth, just a genre overview really.

If the gundam one was the one I went to, it only went in depth about MSG and had absolutely nothing critical in it.

[Anonymous No.7360613]

[Anonymous No.7360615]

>>7360602
the word in english is a hobbyist. and yes, anime is a hobby. if it becomes anything more than you're just a sad neckbeard weeaboo

[Anonymous No.7360619]

>>7360611
>Gundam panel only going in-depth about Gundam
Yes, and?

[Anonymous No.7360622]

>>7360613

[Anonymous No.7360623]

>>7360615
But there are an alarming number of people in the Finnish anime scene, who claim they're anime hobbyists...while they don't actually watch any anime at all.

Harrastaja is a hobbyist. Harrastelija is someone who needs to gtfo from my cons.

[Anonymous No.7360624]

>>7360615
No, that's not the same thing at all.

[Anonymous No.7360629]

>>7360619
I like MSG but the lecture gave me absolutely nothing new about it. I don't want to pay 15 euros to hear shit I already know.

[Anonymous No.7360633]

>>7360624
I'm sure your waifu body pillow will want to hear everything you have to say about it

[Anonymous No.7360652]

>>7360623
then how the fuck does wanting to get more academical, intelligent content in con programs make me a harrastelija?

[Anonymous No.7360653]

>>7360629
That's too bad. The fact is that there are probably less than 10 mecha fans with more than a passing interest on the subject who go to cons in Finland so the lectures can't be targeted solely for them.

Also, looking for actual authority from the speakers is just impossible in a small place like Finland. In huge countries like America, it's actually possible that someone might've wrote a masters on a subject like anime.

Go listen to AWO or ColonyDrop or something if you want more information than Finnish lectures can provide you with.

[Anonymous No.7360656]

>>7360652
Because you obviously don't want better lectures, you want lectures you can understand without watching anything yourself.

[Anonymous No.7360657]

>>7360653
that's what I do. I was asked to give my opinion on whjy I don't think Desu is worth my money. I gave it. I never said cons should cater to me, I simply explained why I don't go.

[Anonymous No.7360667]

>>7360657
You were being awfully hostile about it.

[Anonymous No.7360665]

>>7360656
oh, you. Ok then, you want to feel special, fine. I don't like what you like and you think what I like is crap. You're right, you win.

[Anonymous No.7360673]

>>7360667
Lurker here: Both sides were awfully hostile. You guys went to ridiculously trollish level with that.

[Anonymous No.7360677]

>>7360667
Not hostile, just frustrated. I started going to cons in 2005 and back then it was so much more about the discussions and all that and less about shipping and sugar high. I guess I've turned into a cranky old lady who wants the kids off her lawn. In which case it's better for everyone that I only go to the bar meets.

[Anonymous No.7360680]

>>7360673
Finns trolling other Finns, normipäivä. Gentlemen, I hope you enjoy your popcorns

[Anonymous No.7360684]

>>7360623
Do you mean a casual, my little soome veli?

[Anonymous No.7360689]

>>7360680
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWuyrlXI7nA

[Anonymous No.7360699]

>>7360680
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/S7229410

[Anonymous No.7360711]

>>7360689
>shut up, water
>i sniff the rose, mm very good taste
>carbitch
my sides

[Anonymous No.7360719]

>>7360699
holy shit anon you saved my night. Thank you, this shit is whack

[Anonymous No.7360726]

Fuck you guys. That's all I'm gonna say.

So, I'm a Finn who's interested in going to Swedish cons. I'm thinking of Närcon, and perhaps ConFusion, as they fit my schedule. My friends have told me some nice things, but I'm afraid they might be biased since they know some of the organizers. What do you think about them? Are they worth your time?

[Anonymous No.7361057]

>>7360726
Närcon differs from cons in Finland quite much, they don't really seem to have panels just some Q&A for guests, cosplay, AMV, and rave.
The outdoors are nice and they have really cheap and good grill food. There was also 3 different karaoke rooms depending on what you want to sing. All of merchandise sellers have their own classroom and seemed like a good solution! Most of con goers were actually guys and cosplays were pretty much like Finland in 2009. It was a bit like Animecon and Ropecon combined.
It's not that big and fancy that most of finns let you understand, but worth visiting with friends.

[Anonymous No.7361186]

>7349310 here. It's funny to see how bitchy backstabbers many finnish cosplayers and con arragners are when you give them anonymity. It's ridiculous and pathetic. Just either say your stuff straight or just stop and don't give a fuck about dramu 'n shit.

tl;dr: Suomi nyt hei mitä vittua lopettakaa se selkäänpuukotus ja vitunmoinen valitus.

[Anonymous No.7361192]

>7349310 here.
It's funny to see how bitchy backstabbers many finnish cosplayers and con arragners are when you give them anonymity. It's ridiculous and pathetic. Just either say your stuff straight or just stop and don't give a fuck about dramu 'n shit.

tl;dr: Suomi nyt hei mitä vittua lopettakaa se selkäänpuukotus ja vitunmoinen valitus.

[Anonymous No.7361196]

>>7349310 here.
It's funny to see how bitchy backstabbers many finnish cosplayers and con arragners are when you give them anonymity. It's ridiculous and pathetic. Just either say your stuff straight or just stop and don't give a fuck about dramu 'n shit.

tl;dr: Suomi nyt hei mitä vittua lopettakaa se selkäänpuukotus ja vitunmoinen valitus.

[Anonymous No.7361200]

>>7361196
get rekt, nerd

[Anonymous No.7361239]

>>7361057
Thanks for your input! I think I want to at least try Närcon then.

Were the maid cafe(s?) there any good?

[Anonymous No.7361364]

>>7361239
I didn't have time to check them out, but seemed to have a lot of cute maids and AKBabes also working in there, only that they weren't wearing same kind of uniform with each other. I think they had a lot of different kind of treats for affordable prices.