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Disney thread Anonymous Mon Sep 30 09:37:13 2013 No.7126614 [DELETED]

Cosplayers and face characters

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 10:35:02 2013 No.7126644 >>7126642 I don't think rapunzel is even in this picture

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 10:35:34 2013 No.7126642 >>7126614 oh god why does the rapunzel look so old

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 10:42:21 2013 No.7126650 >>7126642 Maybe because she's actually Aurora.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 10:44:21 2013 No.7126654 >>7126644 not that person but wow, that's sleeping beauty to the far right, I thought it was rapunzel at first too, why didn't they bother to make the dress the right color?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 11:05:07 2013 No.7126691 >>7126654 Because they are doing "artistic" versions. Aurora shows up in purple every once in a while as a compromise between the pink and blue options. They mash them together and stick her in purple.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:16:41 2013 No.7127023 >>7126614 Wow, Snow White's waist is surprisingly large compared to her hips and bust..

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 16:50:22 2013 No.7127167 File: 197 KB, 500x339, tianaandnaveen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 16:51:51 2013 No.7127174 File: 237 KB, 500x749, jane.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 16:53:48 2013 No.7127175 >>7127023 I think it's just the shadow

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:08:51 2013 No.7127209 File: 217 KB, 480x640, janes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:22:20 2013 No.7127236 File: 894 KB, 1280x1920, tumblr_mtk2o9su3l1s9kqfdo2_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What do you guys think of the new default Ariel face character costume?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:22:51 2013 No.7127240 >>7126614 This is their winter costumes right? Can we get some seasonal comparisons in here? I love the different styles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:24:38 2013 No.7127242 >>7127236 I really like Ariel in that color and the fabrics are lovely, though I wish there was more oceany accents and something in her hair.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:25:08 2013 No.7127245
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>>7127023
>>7127175
hmmn, i was curious so i altered the brightness to see where her body ended.. it doesn't end. it's weird, i looks almost like there's padding around the middle or something. it is the winter dress after all, so maybe..

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:26:39 2013 No.7127249 File: 724 KB, 1280x1920, tumblr_mtk2o9su3l1s9kqfdo1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127236

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:31:39 2013 No.7127260 File: 275 KB, 500x719, tumblr_mdcfrrRFbi1qdz6jvo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127242 I'm glad they got rid of... this thing in her hair. Maybe a seashell clip to match the one on her dress?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:33:39 2013 No.7127261 File: 59 KB, 500x385, tumblr_mpv71cwgRT1r6vyodo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] An actress portraying a face character for the upcoming movie Saving Banks face characterception

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:34:08 2013 No.7127266 File: 303 KB, 500x500, tumblr_mtjztrmNxU1qboitvo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127261 Saving Mr* Banks

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:55:38 2013 No.7127305

>>7127209
>>7127174
I really don't like the Jane costume. The way they sew it/fabric they use makes it look so flat and "right off the screen" which I don't mind, but it's the opposite of what they do with the princesses and other characters. I wish they would pick a different fabric and make it look a little more realistic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:59:11 2013 No.7127312 >>7127249 Marry me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 18:06:39 2013 No.7127320 File: 329 KB, 500x750, tumblr_mmf1ck9Eid1rm56vvo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127236 I do wish they had gone for more of a sea green

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 18:08:08 2013 No.7127324
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Here's that proto picture of the redesigns released earlier this year. I remember someone saying earlier this year that Ariel's "totally different" from this picture but looks about the same to me.

I wonder if they'll even bother updating Jasmine, Mulan, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 18:50:14 2013 No.7127387 What are the things on Cinderella's hips?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:02:14 2013 No.7127400 >>7127387 panniers

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:03:45 2013 No.7127402 File: 43 KB, 448x600, tallulah1hf3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] if only more people cosplayed as this character

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:08:46 2013 No.7127408 File: 67 KB, 427x640, 10716357.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:09:16 2013 No.7127413 File: 64 KB, 430x640, 10749331.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127408

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:11:47 2013 No.7127415 File: 23 KB, 427x640, 10766119.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127413

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:17:46 2013 No.7127422 File: 69 KB, 640x426, 10869785.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127415

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:19:45 2013 No.7127427 File: 91 KB, 427x640, 11085431.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127422

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:21:46 2013 No.7127430 File: 173 KB, 500x750, tumblr_msxpveqIui1r0po6qo6_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127427

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:23:16 2013 No.7127434 File: 418 KB, 1280x1707, tumblr_mre5ftHMDo1syqzu2o1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127430

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:26:17 2013 No.7127435 File: 394 KB, 1280x1707, tumblr_mre5ftHMDo1syqzu2o2_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127434

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:28:46 2013 No.7127437 File: 465 KB, 1280x1707, tumblr_mre5ftHMDo1syqzu2o3_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127435

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:35:46 2013 No.7127444 >>7127430 they didn't even do the boots?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:37:47 2013 No.7127448 File: 593 KB, 1280x1707, tumblr_mre5ftHMDo1syqzu2o4_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127437

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:38:16 2013 No.7127451 File: 411 KB, 1280x1707, tumblr_mre5ftHMDo1syqzu2o5_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127448

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:41:46 2013 No.7127455 File: 430 KB, 1280x1707, tumblr_mre5ftHMDo1syqzu2o6_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127451

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:42:16 2013 No.7127456 >>7127400 panniers go under clothing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:43:15 2013 No.7127457 File: 443 KB, 1280x1707, tumblr_mre5ftHMDo1syqzu2o7_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127455

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:45:17 2013 No.7127459 File: 384 KB, 1280x1707, tumblr_mre5ftHMDo1syqzu2o8_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127457

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:48:15 2013 No.7127463 File: 482 KB, 1280x1707, tumblr_mre5ftHMDo1syqzu2o9_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127459

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:52:16 2013 No.7127464 File: 440 KB, 1280x1707, tumblr_mre5ftHMDo1syqzu2o10_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127463

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:54:16 2013 No.7127469 File: 583 KB, 1280x1707, tumblr_mre5lwd1td1syqzu2o1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127464

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:54:46 2013 No.7127468 Anyone ever done any of the princesses from Once Upon a Time? They are technically Disney princesses, right? They are owned by ABC which is a Disney company...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:56:46 2013 No.7127470 File: 346 KB, 1280x960, tumblr_mre5lwd1td1syqzu2o2_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127469

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:58:17 2013 No.7127472 File: 458 KB, 1278x1920, tumblr_mtfozylYvd1sdg520o1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127470

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:01:16 2013 No.7127479 File: 118 KB, 450x750, tumblr_mti35yKZtS1rkw32ro1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127472

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:02:15 2013 No.7127483 File: 133 KB, 960x720, tumblr_mtnobhvkQU1qmayu4o2_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127479

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:07:15 2013 No.7127493 File: 90 KB, 500x333, tumblr_mturalYQKD1sjxaqjo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127483

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:09:46 2013 No.7127497 File: 214 KB, 640x960, tumblr_mtv2pscGZq1qdn1gmo3_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127493

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:11:46 2013 No.7127499 File: 175 KB, 484x750, tumblr_mtwk84hcXm1s30cizo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127497

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:13:47 2013 No.7127502 File: 49 KB, 480x720, tumblr_mty1lobGYp1s9pd8jo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127499

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:14:16 2013 No.7127505 File: 1.56 MB, 1218x914, Screen shot 2013-09-30 at 4.30.54 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127502 now on to pictures that I took

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:17:45 2013 No.7127510 File: 1.55 MB, 1218x917, Screen shot 2013-09-30 at 4.31.11 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127505

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:21:46 2013 No.7127519 File: 1.86 MB, 1215x920, Screen shot 2013-09-30 at 4.32.09 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127510

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:23:18 2013 No.7127522 File: 1.10 MB, 723x952, Screen shot 2013-09-30 at 4.32.19 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127519

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:25:46 2013 No.7127530 File: 948 KB, 725x957, Screen shot 2013-09-30 at 4.32.38 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127522

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:27:17 2013 No.7127534 File: 1.68 MB, 900x1213, Screen shot 2013-09-30 at 4.34.04 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127530

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:31:46 2013 No.7127539 File: 1.51 MB, 1214x918, Screen shot 2013-09-30 at 4.35.32 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127534

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:33:18 2013 No.7127543 File: 1.90 MB, 910x1214, Screen shot 2013-09-30 at 4.36.19 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127539 and here's the last one

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:45:24 2013 No.7127565 >>7127539 The only thing I hate about face characters is that they're always too old looking. Yes I do understand that you can't have tweens and children playing these parts but Alice is always far too old looking. Mostly Alice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:08:11 2013 No.7127609 >>7127468 Going by that logic, the characters in Grey's Anatomy are Disney characters and should be posted in Disney threads, too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:12:11 2013 No.7127618 >>7127609 Okay, but they aren't Sleepy Beauty and Snow White. Christ, I never said all abc characters should be in this thread, I was just asking about one show that has fucking princesses and shit, and are Disney related.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:53:13 2013 No.7127679 >>7127400 >>7127387 They're called peplums. Panniers are like a sdeways hoopskirt, sometimes called pockethoop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:55:44 2013 No.7127684 >>7127437 The skirt on the right looks ehhh. It should be overlapping flounces, not tacked on spaced out rows. Plus the colors don't fade together.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:58:14 2013 No.7127690 >>7127468 Once Upon A Time is actually directly based on Disney characters (hence Ariel and Mulan) so its less "technically" and more alternate universe?

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 22:02:14 2013 No.7127697

>>7127690
They're fairy tale & public domain fantasy characters, not Disney characters, but ABC is allowed to have hints towards Disney media (like Grumpy whistling Hi-Ho).

>>7127618
They're not "Technically Disney princesses," though, because they are not Disney characters anymore than characters from any ABC show.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 23:26:07 2013 No.7127852 >>7127530 He has a perfect Flynn nose...

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 17:17:18 2013 No.7128909

>>7127697
You are incorrect, Anon. ABC is a Disney owned company and therefore they can use the names Belle, Ariel, Jafar (who will appear in the spinoff) whereas those characters never had those names before the Disney films. Mulan is a bad example because they didn't name her, The Ballad of Hua Mulan is a thing that exists. And since Disney acquired Lucasfilm, there was a character who had the Star Wars theme as his ringtone.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 18:37:41 2013 No.7129006

>>7128909
I included Mulan because before the Disney movie she was not exactly well known in the Western world and certainly not considered in the same realm as Cinderella and Snow White. Thats Disney's doing with their princess franchise. Without the happy musical kid movie and subsequent frilly dress up outfits for 7 year olds, I really doubt ABC would have ever thought of including her.

Anonymous Wed Oct 2 01:05:40 2013 No.7129555

>be 5
>watched a heavily censored Little Mermaid when i was a kid (cut all the singing and 'suggestive nude ' like toe wiggle,
>see her always sad because of censored but saw her be happy a the end and have legs
>move to america and go to Disneyland
>spill my spaghetti by ran to her teary eyed to hugged her IRL thought she was sad because tail [spoiler] i thought they made all he movies in disneyland and thought it was like a Hub station like a airport or train or something)

What is the best Ariel picture you ever seen?

Anonymous Wed Oct 2 01:48:00 2013 No.7129627

>>7128909
>You are incorrect, Anon. ABC is a Disney owned company and therefore they can use the names Belle, Ariel, Jafar (who will appear in the spinoff) whereas those characters never had those names before the Disney films.
>Belle
>never had that name before the Disney film

Uhh... you might want to fact-check that one. Also, the "Jafar" character in Aladdin was more or less taken from "Jafar" in the Thief of Baghdad.

Anon isn't incorrect, though, in fact you're kind of backing up what they said. The characters of Belle, Mulan, and the Little Mermaid (etc) are in the public domain. Because Disney owns ABC and they know that people strongly associate those fairy tale characters with their films, they are letting the writers use certain elements (such as Ariel, the dwarf whistling Hi-Ho, etc) because they know people are more likely to tune in if it's (for example) "Ariel," and not just a random Little Mermaid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 02:22:31 2013 No.7129670 >>7129627 Belle never had an official name in the fairy tale, it just varied based on where you read it. I've seen versions where her name is Rose.

Anonymous Wed Oct 2 13:18:49 2013 No.7130059

>>7129670
in the first known version of the story, published in 1740 or so, she is called Belle. Same with the Beaumont version, published shortly after, which is what most later variations were based on.

There are endless variations of fairy tales (I've seen one where Snow White is called Little Snow, for example) but in the original French versions of the story (which is what most people, including Disney, are basing their versions on) she is indeed called "Belle."

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 13:46:37 2013 No.7130087 >>7129555 Where the hell did you grow up?

Anonymous Wed Oct 2 14:26:06 2013 No.7130134

>>7130059
Doesn't Belle mean beauty in French? Not disagreeing with you, I just always assumed that was why the English version is called Beauty and the Beast.

Also I do think Disney has some form of copyright in the name Belle though. I notice most places that offer 'almost-Disney' princess products call her just Beauty or even Rose Princess. The princess party companies seem to do this in particular. I know Disney has some form of trademark/copyright on the Peter Pan story despite it being technically public domain.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 14:39:10 2013 No.7130145 >>7130087 >Where the hell did you grow up? >>7129555 >cut all the singing I am going to guess she grew up in that town from Footloose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 14:58:10 2013 No.7130171 File: 102 KB, 960x641, 547525_179841572166767_115830645_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7130134 Quite true. These girls run a successful party company and they use ambiguous names like "Beauty" and "Mermaid Princess".

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 15:26:38 2013 No.7130202 >>7130171 Actually the business is just run by the Ariel. The other two are just Disney cosplayers.

Anonymous Wed Oct 2 16:00:09 2013 No.7130251
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>>7130134
The reason that most princess party companies use "Beauty" instead of Belle is that it helps them in lawsuits, not because they absolutely have to. If you have a near-copy of Disney's costume and are using Disney music etc for a party but are calling your character "Beauty," you have a leg to stand on should Disney decide to take action.

True Enchantment, for example, used to have "Belle" and "Tiana," but they were changed to "Beauty" and "Frog Princess" at some point.

Now, if they weren't copying Disney's character and had a fairy tale theme independent of Disney, they would probably feel more comfortable using "Belle" in the same way that fairy tale books sometimes use Belle.

>>7130134
Peter Pan is a tricky beast.

http://www.gosh.org/gen/peterpan/copyright/faq/

Disney was granted license to the animation rights for Peter Pan, but not any copyright to the original story.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 16:10:45 2013 No.7130264 >>7130171 >successful As if. The Ariel is completely delusional.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 16:51:06 2013 No.7130330 >>7127497 For all that effort, why no wear a wig? stupid man.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 17:00:36 2013 No.7130352 >>7130330 You're assuming he put effort into it and isn't just a living dress up doll for Belle.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 18:59:59 2013 No.7130538 File: 102 KB, 638x960, tumblr_mqaig7kbL01r35os0o3_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7130531

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 19:01:58 2013 No.7130543 File: 62 KB, 500x750, tumblr_mqaig7kbL01r35os0o2_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7130538

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 19:03:58 2013 No.7130548 File: 56 KB, 480x720, tumblr_mqaig7kbL01r35os0o1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7130543

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 19:05:59 2013 No.7130554 File: 66 KB, 480x720, tumblr_m9yk4xWM8U1r35os0o2_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7130548

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 20:34:09 2013 No.7130665 Is this the same chick? All of these would look better with any kind of structure in the top. The dress looks so barrel-y.

Anonymous Wed Oct 2 20:40:10 2013 No.7130674

>>7130134
Actually, Peter Pan is still owned by the J.M. Barrie estate. Disney happens to have the rights to certain things, and Once Upon a Time only got the rights to Peter Pan during their second season. They had to go through the estate for that, not Disney.

Anonymous Wed Oct 2 20:46:08 2013 No.7130682

>>7129627
I don't need to fact check anything, I happen to know quite a bit about this subject. The reason the creators of Once Upon a Time pitched to ABC was because they knew they could use the Disney copyrighted names, and also because they had been writers on LOST which was also an ABC show. "Belle" and "Ariel" are not public domain. Cinderella and Snow White may be, but if this was any other network they would have to pay out the ass TO DISNEY to use those names, if they would even be allowed to at all. Disney might be worried about how their shit was being portrayed. So, for example, if the show was on Fox and Disney refused the use of certain names, then they would have to call their mermaid something else. Her name was not originally Ariel. And I've read several versions of Beauty and the Beast where the main character's name isn't even mentioned. She is called "mistress" or some variation, or simply "Beauty" but not necessarily "Belle" because it depends on what language you're reading it in. If you're reading it in the original French, then yeah.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 21:43:11 2013 No.7130760 File: 110 KB, 755x1059, and_a_bit_alarming_by_shoomlah-d3cxerx.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7130665 Pretty sure it's like that on purpose. Rococo dresses are always flat in the front.

Anonymous Wed Oct 2 22:07:45 2013 No.7130801

>>7130665
>>7130760

I believe it looks boxy/blocky because instead of cinching/building it around a corset she just made the dress round her natural frame (and even then it looks a bit loose on her waist?). And since the bottom of the dress starts higher up, it just looks a bit awkward.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 22:31:12 2013 No.7130847 >>7130801 I don't think you can get that tube shape without a corset in there but yeah it could be pinched in at the waist more.

Anonymous Wed Oct 2 22:37:42 2013 No.7130859
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>>7130847
Unfortunately, Baroque/Georgian era corsets don't cinch at the waist. They are supposed to make a flat front, and a sort of slight V, not an hourglass like a Victorian corset.

Anonymous Wed Oct 2 22:45:11 2013 No.7130869
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>>7130801
I've always thought that this cosplay looked awkward. Now I can't help, but notice how wrinkled the bodice looks. Most Rococo era gowns were made with a very stiff and elongated bodice to make the torso look tiny at the waist - I believe it's an optical illusion created by the help of a stomacher Corsets were worn, yeah, but cinching those things tightly wasn't a thing until the 19th century (and even so, not everyone was able to tighten those damn things for an impossibly small waist).

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 22:47:41 2013 No.7130873 >>7130859 Oh, yay! Someone else knows their fashion history! Your explanation was better and I could be wrong at some points, but for sho, different materials, different silhouettes.

Anonymous Wed Oct 2 23:20:45 2013 No.7130921

>>7130682
>I don't need to fact check anything
>Belle was never called Belle before the Disney movie

You need to fact check that, yeah. "Belle" is used in the original French versions of the fairy tale. Most English translations use Beauty, but not all. Belle combined with traits that indicate she's Disney's character would likely get someone in hot water, but not simply using Belle. If using "Belle" for the name of the character (which, AGAIN, was her original name) is not okay, domain, then there'd be a whole lot of authors out of work because they had to pay out the ass TO DISNEY to use the names.

Also once again you are backing up what anon said regarding why Once Upon a Time can use Disney references, so I don't know why you're arguing about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 23:26:41 2013 No.7130933 >>7130330 They look like cheap Made in China costumes anyway. No effort at all in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 00:33:41 2013 No.7131034 File: 44 KB, 715x320, la-belle-et-la-bete.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] She was Belle way back in 1946, in Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast. Granted, it was a French movie, but...

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 00:57:42 2013 No.7131066 >>7131034 She was Belle way back in 1740, too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 01:12:27 2013 No.7131084 >>7127427 a fat cosplayer doing it right!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 01:27:16 2013 No.7131097 >>7127457 I'm so annoyed by people who cosplay characters they don't know before the source material comes out and get so many features wrong.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 01:33:16 2013 No.7131108 >>7131097 One of the biggest forms of attention whoring in cosplay aside from women who walk around in bras and panties calling it a costume.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 01:40:02 2013 No.7131114 so how about that tumblr shitstorm about Frozen and whitewashing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 02:01:31 2013 No.7131143 >>7131114 There is no 'white-washing'

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 02:03:03 2013 No.7131146 >>7131143 There is to people who can't accept that this isn't an adaptation of The Snow Queen

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 02:46:51 2013 No.7131193 >>7131146 ...but they dropped the snow queen idea, why is that so hard to understand? Not sure why it matters, Frozen looks like it'll be shit anyway.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 02:57:21 2013 No.7131198
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>>7131114

the only shitstorm I saw about Frozen was that apparently most of the characters are self motivated women and Disney/Pixar are saying fuck that and inserting males where there weren't before.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 03:28:34 2013 No.7131214 >>7131146 I haven't followed this in years. What's Frozen based on anyway?

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 03:58:30 2013 No.7131237

>>7131214
It's not based on any particular story at this point. The original project was The Snow Queen, which was more or less going to follow the Anderson story. However, somewhere along the way they dropped The Snow Queen adaptation for a Nordic-style fantasy about two sisters, one of whom has snow/ice powers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 04:00:00 2013 No.7131239 >>7131193 Going by the storybook, I think it will be pretty good. It's focusing on the sister relationship which is refreshing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 04:07:25 2013 No.7131241 http://www.xohho.co.uk

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 04:16:55 2013 No.7131245 >>7131146 It's still called the snow queen in a lot of countries outside of the US. Just like how tangled was still called Rapunzel.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 04:32:44 2013 No.7131261 >>7131034 Well, the story IS French, I don't see how it changes something that is was a French movie.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 15:44:15 2013 No.7131723

>>7131066

I know. I was just giving another "movie" example of a Belle that predated Disney.

>>7131261

Someone up there was trying to say that Disney has a copyright on 'Belle' as the character from Beauty and the Beast and that in most non-Disney works, she's nameless or just called Beauty. I was pointing out another movie version of Beauty and the Beast called Belle...which is just French for Beauty/Beautiful. It doesn't really change anything, but I think there might have been an implication that in English works she's never really called Belle except in Disney?

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 16:44:42 2013 No.7131766

>>7131723
I've actually noticed in a lot of old fashioned fairytale books, the characters are nameless (unless its a descriptive or pun name). I have a huge old book from the 40s or so and I think the only stories with named heroines are Rapunzel, Snow White, Cinderella, and one called Snow White and Rose Red (no relation to the usual one). It usually just calls them princess, maiden, girl, etc. i don't actually recall the original Little Mermaid having a name, she was always just "the little mermaid" (though some places say her name is Marina). Its definitely a trend in older English language fairytale collections.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 17:11:22 2013 No.7131794 >>7131766 Snow White and rose red is one of my favourites. I almost want to see Disney do an adaptation, but I'm scared they will fuck it up.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 17:14:52 2013 No.7131798

>>7131766

You'd actually be surprised how many had an actual name. I'm not quite sure of the ratio of named-to-unnamed, but there's quite a few.

Snow Queen had Gerda, pretty much every main character in a Madame D'Aulnoy story has a name. The eponymous Maid Maleen, tons of Italian tales tended to name their heroines, Vasilisa, Thumbelina, I think one version of the Twelve Dancing Princesses names the hero and the princess he chooses, Sleeping Beauty sometimes has a name depending on the version. Then you have the ones where the girls don't start out with a name but get a nickname, like Donkeyskin/All Kinds of Fur/Allerleirauh, or Little Red Riding Hood.

Have you read the Andrew Lang Fairy Books?

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 17:52:13 2013 No.7131827 [DELETED]

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>>7131198
Basically, tumblr didn't understand that Frozen was based off of the Snow Queen(at least at first), and were furious to see concept art of two white children in a frozen tundra.
They decided that only non-white people live in snowy areas, and thus, it was racist to make them white.
They seem to believe Scandinavians are a myth.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 17:53:40 2013 No.7131829 >>7131827 I forgot to add- the picture is someone "Racebending" after bitching about THIS IS WHAT FROZEN SHOULD HAVE BEEN." Because clearly the Snow Queen was about native Siberians...

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Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:08:11 2013 No.7131843

>>7131237
I was so gutted when they dropped the Snow Queen idea. It's one of my favourite fairytales ever, and when the first bits of art came out, I was like "WHERE ARE GERDA AND KAI"
Eehh Frozen looks pretty though I'm holding no expectations for it. I hope it focusses on the sister relationship rather than the love-triangle the trailer hinted at.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:15:42 2013 No.7131849 [DELETED]

>>7131829
i dunno. k-kinda makes sense that they're upset that disney made its 4th movie in a row with an all-white cast, in this 2k13 year.

not to defend TUMBLR JUSTICE, but since frozen stopped being based on snow queen, they could have designed it however they liked, right? since it's pure fantasy now, couldn't have put brown people in fantasy dresses just as easily as the perf blonde princesses? i mean you don't have to go full inuit, but why wouldn't people be upset about the "no brown people" rule when most of the world (even comin' up on the american population in a few years) is brown?

fancy invisible sage for unfortunate race-baiting.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:23:52 2013 No.7131855 [DELETED]

I'm just mad that the princess looks so much like Rapunzel.

I don't care what color her skin is or MA STRONG FEMALE MAIN CHARACTER DON'T NEED NO MAN

It's like they though "wow everyone thought Rapunzel was cute, let's make another girl just like her"

And then they also though "wow everyone thought the horse was funny, let's put him in the movie too"
And put the stupid reindeer in

The snowman is some ugly dreamworks bullshit too

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:25:11 2013 No.7131857 OH JESUS CHRIST I LOVE DISNEY PRINCESSES they make me feel so warm

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:30:10 2013 No.7131860 [DELETED]

>>7131855
yeah, but those are strictly aesthetic issues. it's sort of to be expected that the style will be the same, since it's done by the same creative team that did tangled. animated movies usually look very similar when done by the same teams (think alice and wonderland and peter pan, all the scribbly-looking disney 70s movies, the little mermaid and aladdin, tarzan and treasure planet). course it doesn't help that frozen is advertized as having the same basic plot as tangled (boy and girl make a journey together and the wacky animal sidekicks help smooth out sexual tensions!!), but still.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:31:11 2013 No.7131862 [DELETED]

>>7131860
She has freckles, light eyes, the same figure, very similar face, blonde hair, and braids

Rapunzel didn't have a braid the entire time, but it's like.... they could have done SOMETHING

She's like the same character, except shorter hair, the blonde is slightly darker, and her eyes are blue instead of green

It's like they didn't even try

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:31:42 2013 No.7131861 [DELETED]

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>>7131827

That is immensely retarded.

Have they never heard of the Sami?

Tumblr will do anything to pacify their immense hard-on for slotting PoC as some kind of dark skinned demigod. Or something to that effect. They seem to believe that grouping a multitude of peoples under one term will somehow get rid of racism.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:40:11 2013 No.7131867 [DELETED]

>>7131849
Disney is for an American audience and the majority of America is white, so it's not offensive at all for them to make mostly white movies. It's not like they ignore non-white people altogether. Aladdin, Mulan, Lilo & Stitch, the Emperor's New Groove, etc... And one of their upcoming movies, if I'm not mistaken, is about the Day of the Dead. That doesn't sound 'white' to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:42:10 2013 No.7131869 >>7131861 The term is pretty convenient and it's not meant to "get rid of racism." And what's retarded about drawing a Siberian woman as the Snow Queen? There's nothing wrong with wanting more princesses that aren't white.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:43:14 2013 No.7131870 [DELETED]

>>7131861
I went to one of the racebending tumblrs and there was actually a huge post about the Sami.
They said they were offended because one of the characters wears something similar to Sami traditional clothing, but "HE DOESN'T LOOK SAMI." Apparently unless they change the characters to have extremely racist eyes, they aren't Sami.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:49:13 2013 No.7131876 [DELETED]

>>7131867
America will not be majority-white for long. And even if it did, there is a serious problem when you don't properly represent a very large percentage of the country in movies (that percentage being PoC). Yes, white people are the largest racial group but there are more PoC than white ones so it does not make sense to cater to just white people when you could easily appeal to the much larger, diverse group(s) of PoC or just everyone together. Shrinking your target audience to white doesn't make sense when you could appeal to a larger audience by making people of other races main characters let alone have them in the movies at all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:51:40 2013 No.7131879 >>7131876 I just mentioned how many "PoC"-centered movies Disney has. There's a shitload more than include a diverse but not entirely non-white cast. Read more than the first sentence.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 18:59:45 2013 No.7131884 [DELETED]

>>7131869

As a 'PoC' I'd rather not my culture get lumped in with everyone else's that's all. It's not convenient. It's oversimplifying a diverse problem of racism in the US. It implies that blacks and Asians and hispanics and Native Americans all have the same racism going on, and they don't. And I speak as a privileged Asian, because lumping in my problems as being a 'model minority' with everything else is insulting to what black people face in harassment from police and even their neighbors every day because of racial profiling, or Middle Easterners being targetted by the TSA at every airport or in 'random' security checks. That is why I do not like the term PoC.

Back to the movie - it's sad that they didn't have a more diverse cast but at the same time let the creative team do what they want to do. They *could* have promoted diversity but in the end artistic license is exactly that. Then again, I sort of jolt at the idea that creativity should be reined in by some sort of higher sense of being politically correct.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 19:26:10 2013 No.7131897 [DELETED]

>>7131884
i agree with you. all-inclusive terms take away from different identities associated with culture and racism. it's like saying to someone, "oh, i'm colorblind. i don't see race." it's essentially the same thing as saying "yeah i'm choosing to ignore that you may have had a different experience in life due to your skin color, because that makes me uncomfortable."

sometimes the term may be applicable if you're describing a scenario where the issue is that there are no "non-white people" in a setting, but only because it may be less degrading than calling everyone else "non-whites". i don't know. it's not my place to make that assessment because i'm white, and that's something a lot of tumblr sjw's don't seem to get.

as for the movie industry, it's not as if the artists themselves are alone in the decision-making process. marketing is a huge, poisonous reality in animation, or any high-budget production.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 19:35:12 2013 No.7131911 File: 217 KB, 426x640, KWJ_20070303_9382.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7131862 >>7131867 >>7131869 >>7131870 >>7131876 >>7131879 >>7131884 >>7131897 >>/co/ >>/pol/ cosplay, holy fuck

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Anonymous Thu Oct 3 19:39:40 2013 No.7131919 [DELETED]

>>7131884
I dont even know if i count as PoC or something else entirely because i'm lighter than a lot of white people but HOO BOY does my group still catch shit from time to time.

I consider myself white.
racist shits only consider me white when it is convenient for them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 19:44:41 2013 No.7131921 File: 304 KB, 261x282, 1297448037645.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7131911 her hair, holy fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 20:11:12 2013 No.7131939 >>7131911 Is that Adella?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 20:13:04 2013 No.7131941 File: 9 KB, 460x500, usrs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7131939 I dunno. You should check out the website shown in the photo to be sure.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 20:27:04 2013 No.7131952 >>7131941 Damn this tiny screen that cuts off the bottoms of photos.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 20:37:55 2013 No.7131957

>>7131798
I know many characters had a name in some version of it, I'm talking old anthology type books where some old woman wrote down all the fairy tales her grandma used to tell her. Theres many different versions, and in a lot of them they just skip names entirely unless its in the actual title of the story. Or some just sub in a suitable pretty flower name or some kind of pun/convienent name (I suspect this is how Rapunzel was named, after whatever plant the storyteller picks for the mother to yearn for during pregnancy).

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 20:40:19 2013 No.7131959 >>7131794 They'll change the names and likely make the bear thing really awkward and the dwarf will have an obnoxious shrill voice and be all foppish.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 20:59:23 2013 No.7131980 [DELETED]

>>7131884
I still wish Disney would start doing truly multicultural stories. There are sooooo many good fairy tales and legends from every part of the world. Why does Disney keep trying to take European stories and shoehorn in a diverse cast, instead of actually taking stories that belong to those cultures?

And speaking of Tumblr someone got upset with me for saying this about The Princess and the Frog because ITS ABOUT AMERICAN BLACK CULTURE WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN AFRICAN OR ISLAND CULTURE HOW DARE YOU. Fuck you dude, every single culture on every continent has a transformation/redemption myth. It makes it so much worse to take a fairy tale from Europe, set it in America, and use characters who were, at the time setting in the story, having issues with cultural loss due to being pushed to conform to American/European culture.

If you're gonna get pissed off, get pissed off for the right reason.

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 22:01:48 2013 No.7132071 [DELETED]

>>7131879
Oh wow, so many. Not.
>>7131884
As a black PoC, I don't think the term lumps together our cultures. There are times and discussions in which naming every ethnicity/race is inconvenient, so it's just easier to say PoC. Also, there aren't any problems that only affect black, asian, or middle eastern people. We don't all face the same problems but many of them are shared or similar so solidarity helps. I don't like "non-white" because it makes white the norm. I prefer PoC. Also, you are not a privileged PoC in terms of race, imo. Some of your problems are different but they shouldn't be trivialized.
sage because offtopic

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 22:10:52 2013 No.7132080 [DELETED]

>>7131919
Being light doesn't mean you aren't a PoC. You can be a white-passing PoC but identify as whatever you like.
sage
>>7131980
Truth. But my only problem with that is it would be difficult to make princess stories for many PoC. There are many cultures of PoC that do not even have the princess concept so if they were to become princesses they would have to be in another culture's story or a modified version of their own tales. For example, African Americans are fairly new and don't have a "homeland" that we own and dominate so we aren't/never were in the position to create a monarchy and have princesses. So for an AA princess to be included, Disney had to take another culture's tale. But like I mentioned earlier, they modified it to represent the culture in Louisiana.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 04:15:52 2013 No.7132492 [DELETED]

>>7132080
Given that many of the "princesses" in the Disney lineup aren't technically princesses either, I don't see how that matters. Mulan and Pocahontas are both not princesses or married to royalty, I'm not sure if Cinderella or Belle count as they're married to princes (wouldn't that make them duchesses or something similar until their prince ascends the throne?), and I'm not sure if Tiana really counts since Naveen was disowned or whatever. It can also be argued that Merida's family ought to be chieftans rather than royals, making her not a princess too.

Honestly as long as the story is good and the heroine wears some pretty dress at some point, kids aren't gonna give a damn whether they're really a princess or not.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 04:35:23 2013 No.7132509 [DELETED]

Why is everyone so obsessed with the whole people of colour in Disney movies?! Was nobody there for Princess and the Frog because from what I've seen nobody gives a damn about it anymore. It is so hypocritical to want equality but feel like you need more PoC movies than 'white people movies'. Disney in particular have so many diverse movies, only two are even set in America and BOTH are about people of colour! Yet you care so much about what colour a
Europeans skin is?! I've been to Europe and they are whiter than anything else. Goddamn.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 05:22:14 2013 No.7132531 >>7132080 there's always Nala from lion king

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 06:05:31 2013 No.7132560 [DELETED]

>>7132531
To which the argument is that the bad guy has dark colours compared to the golden/pale heros and is therefore a metaphor.

The logical reason is of course to make good and bad easily distinguishable with the commonplace idea of good and bad equates to light and dark.

But why couldn't the good guy have been brown with black manes and Scar be the golden boy.

Imagery verses metaphors.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 06:26:34 2013 No.7132570 >>7132560 Nah. He's evil because he's british. Sophisticated evil people always have british accents.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 16:02:22 2013 No.7132968 >>7132509 >colour >not color I see you're not American so it may be difficult for you to understand.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:06:19 2013 No.7133042 File: 367 KB, 800x533, tumblr_mu5duxmFxm1rus8oko2_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] best snowwhite I saw at tumblr/in my live

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:19:49 2013 No.7133064 >Jasmine, Meg, Pocahontas, Esmerelda, Mulan, Tiana >DISNEY HATES GIRLS WHO AREN'T WHITE ABLOOBLOOBLOO

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:24:19 2013 No.7133067 >>7133064 >omg we gave you a few brown characters stop asking for more idk why ur so PC like america is mostly white so we need mostly white characters geeez

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:27:19 2013 No.7133070 >>7133067 >Make movies based on european mythology, stories, and legends >People mad the characters aren't of color I suppose you wake up every morning, cursing CIS scum, right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:36:20 2013 No.7133079 File: 1.39 MB, 2000x3000, 1355493956086.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7133064

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:38:49 2013 No.7133083 [DELETED]

>>7133070
>disney makes completely fictional, unrealistic fantasy stories
>omg we can't put brown people in it that's unrealistic

>ughh these are european stories like why would we put brown people
>OMGG why are u asking for stories that aren't in europe???

>u can't put brown people in european tales!!
>wait, what's the Princess and the Frog?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:48:20 2013 No.7133093 >>7133083 >u can't put brown people in european tales!! >wait, what's the Princess and the Frog? Princess and the Frog has nothing to do with Europe, genius.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:48:50 2013 No.7133094 >>7133083 tumblr warrior kapu go away

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:54:49 2013 No.7133100 [DELETED]

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>>7132570
>this
even when it takes place in a foreign land, american movies often use VA's with american accents for heroes, and foreign accents for villains. serious xenophobia imprinting on our little children's minds, yo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:57:19 2013 No.7133108 File: 456 KB, 800x500, princess.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7133083 Is there any cosplay of the African Tree Frog Princess out there?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:58:19 2013 No.7133109 >>7133093 The Frog Prince is a European story and the Princess and the Frog is an adaption/interpretation, genius. >>7133094 >omg u want brown ppl in disney princess movies like wow take that PC shit to tumblr this is a white christian nation

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:59:19 2013 No.7133113 >>7133108 >middle eastern dress ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:59:50 2013 No.7133112 >>7133108 But Tiana isn't from Africa.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:02:49 2013 No.7133115 >>7133083 >Beauty and the beast >not a European story >Little mermaid >not a European story >Sleeping Beauty >not a European story >Snow White >not a European story Half of these are Brothers Grimm stories Do your research, tumblr scum

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:04:20 2013 No.7133117 [DELETED]

>>7133108
African Americans are not Africans. We do not have the same culture.The AA ethnicity is unique to America only and guess where America gets a lot of it's culture from? Yep, Europe. Also, I wouldn't call Jasmin's dress actually middle eastern. I'm not sure about Mulan but knowing Disney, it's probably not accurate.
>>7133109
*adaptation
>>7133115
Please, tell me when and where I said those movies aren't based on European stories?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:09:20 2013 No.7133122 File: 612 KB, 500x275, 1347282961001.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7133117 >We

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:10:50 2013 No.7133123 >>7133108 >BALL GOWNS SOOO AFRICAN!!11!1

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:17:50 2013 No.7133132 >>7133122 >African Americans aren't African. Want to know what an African Disney movie was? The Lion King. Disney is yet to have an African princess. >>7133122 Don't you have to prepare for the happening or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:22:19 2013 No.7133138 >>7133132 excuse the greentext; typo sage

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:23:20 2013 No.7133139 >>7133117 >>7133132 tumblr sjw pls go

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:27:49 2013 No.7133145 [DELETED]

>>7133067
>>WHAAAAA WE WANA SEE MORE SHITSKINS IN YOU MOVIES, DISNEY!!

Disney comes out with movies films full of mud people.

>>WHAAA THE WRITERS ARE JEWS AND THEY BE ALL WRITING ABOUT MY CULTURE THAT'S CULTURAL APPROPRIATION CRACKERS

Fuck this. Disney comes out with Rapunzel and Brave after nigger bitching.

>>WHAA THEM BE WHITE BITCHES, WHY CAN'T YOU HAVE NIGGERS AMONG THE ANCIENT CELTS?

lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:27:49 2013 No.7133147 >>7133117 Nothing. About. These. Dresses. Is. Accurate. To. Any. Time. Period. Or. Culture.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:28:50 2013 No.7133148 [DELETED]

>>7133123
Once again, African Americans aren't African. Want to know what an African Disney movie was? The Lion King. Disney is yet to have an African princess.
>>7133122
Don't you have to prepare for the happening or something?
>>7133139
tumblr sjw = anyone who doesn't agree with me/wants brown people in Disney movies

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:31:50 2013 No.7133151 >>7133145 >>>/pol/ >>7133147 Then that makes the image even more incorrect, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:31:50 2013 No.7133152 >>7133148 Nala is an African princess. So was her shitty daughter.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:33:50 2013 No.7133154 [DELETED]

>>7133148
>Disney is yet to have an African princess.
That's because if they depicted African "culture" they would be called racist. So they just stuck a European dress on a black girl living in "modern" America instead. Tree Frog Princess is the African Disney princess, they literally can't do a real one for political reasons. That's the whole point of everyone's posts. We are well aware that she's living in New Orleans.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:33:50 2013 No.7133156 >>7133151 Here on 4chan, we use the word nigger. Go back to tumblr/ LiveJournal /whatever female dominated site you came from, please.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:41:28 2013 No.7133168 [DELETED]

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>>7133148
>>brainwashed retards still thinking of the jews as an oppressed class

They are the most wealthy ethnic group in the world right now. They are not the oppressed, they are the oppressors.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:45:29 2013 No.7133170 >>7133152 Nala a shit, Zira is where it's at.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:46:59 2013 No.7133172 [DELETED]

>>7133152
I'm talking about the ones in the lineup/humans.
>>7133154
Maybe if they tried to depict her correctly there would be few complaints. It's not that difficult to research the culture of a particular country or region in Africa. Tiana is the African American princess. She is not an attempt at an African princess. The reason why she's in a European dress is because she's American and much of American culture is influenced by European culture. There are no "African American dresses" and it wouldn't make sense to put an African American in an African dress. The Frog Prince is a European story and The Princess and the Frog is an American adaption of that story.
>>7133156
>implying I said anything about your /pol/ shitskin rant
>implying I said anything about your use of that word
It's ok because the mod will probably end up deleting these posts anyway.
>>7133168
Ok, brah.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:48:58 2013 No.7133175 >>7131855 Did you use the same logic when Belle looked exactly like Ariel with different hair? It's just their 3D style.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:00:59 2013 No.7133189

>>7133151

Disney was never about being correct. It was about fulfilling little girls' dreams and creating nice stories with happy endings. It never advertised itself as being terribly accurate, and to hold fictional stories to modern accuracy is kind of besides the purpose.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:08:28 2013 No.7133199 [DELETED]

>>7133189
I wasn't talking about Disney then. I was talking about the image in >>7133108. Disney can fulfill little girls' dreams while at least trying to make the dresses inspired/based on a real cultural garment if it's applicable (in TPF, it's not so the dress is fine).

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:12:58 2013 No.7133202 [DELETED]

>>7133189
Also Disney could go a number of routes. One route is sticking with the European-inspired narrative and plugging PoC in there and another route is just making multicultural stories. I think they're keeping the first route because they want more "traditional" stories told in America (Brothers Grimm, etc.).

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:20:58 2013 No.7133210 [DELETED]

The reason there are no African Princesses is because Africa does not have glamorous associations with princesses. I mean, a beautiful woman just had more jewelry, while still wearing a Djellaba/Ganja/clothes from where they're from. To make matters worse, most African tribes treat women as property. Many are in polygamist marriages with many wives and one husband. Increasingly, most African kingdoms were not big at all, and the King and his family did not have a glamorous house.

For the princess structure to work, there needs to something the western audience can associate with a Kingdom. African princesses had no authority, at all. They are moved like property with very little value, since the princess would never ascend the throne and the magic/strength of the bloodline almost always only runs in the son's blood. The western concept of princesses having better blood/royalty passing through generations with dukes/duchesses and whatnot does not apply. To a degree, we would have to whitewash everything for the western audience to understand.

And just to put the nail in the coffin, most African stories are bonfire tales. They are very, very short. They most frequently feature animals or magical beings. If a human is involved, it's almost always a young, unmarried man meeting with a deity. Those are pretty scarce pickings.

Just to elaborate on another thing, Disney only does household tales. These are stories just about everyone knows. Everyone knows Snow white in America. If not for the disney movie, then the book. Or their parents. That sort of thing. Hua Mulan is probably the most well known female-oriented story in most of mainland china. Africa does not have this. Tribes speak hundreds of different languages and are more hostile towards each other. Traditional stories are not shared across people. This means that the stories are all very local, and often assume local morals.

Also, tl;dr.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:32:01 2013 No.7133227 [DELETED]

>>7133210
About the princess concept, they could do what was said here >>7132080. Also, some of the current Disney princesses aren't technically princesses but they're still in the lineup. So Disney could figure something out. They could take a short story and write it to be longer or take a European story that everyone knows and set it in Africa. None of the Disney movies stay true to the original stories anyway and they don't seem to be too concerned with accuracy (to some advantages and disadvantages).
Basically, having an African princess isn't impossible or difficult. They just haven't done it.
>tfw you want Disney to take an African goddess and make her a princess. Most God/Goddess stories have the same basic themes/plots, as illustrated by Homer.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:18:31 2013 No.7133257 [DELETED]

>>7133227
I get what you're saying, but they will still complain about white washing. The more African culture included, the more they will get accusations of being racist. A lot of African clothing specifically hinders movement, stretches or deforms the female form, or is rather plain to a western audience.

I think Disney could find a story, but you're missing a major point. Most of Disney's major films came from household, well known fables of a land. You just don't have that in Africa. There are reoccurring themes, but most are not acceptable to a western audience. Here, a resource: http://ccs.clarityconnect.com/nriggs/africanfolktales.html

These are all fairly well known stories throughout areas of Africa. Many of the names change, and sometimes the species if it wasn't a lion or a person. Notice that none feature a female, except as an animal. Most are entirely animals. The stories promote theivery, suspicion, deception and murder as a means of solving problems. A few promote paternal loyalty, and most promote working hard (or cheating to get more work done), but none feature typically western morals.

Africans tell stories in the homes or around a fire after a long work day. It mainly focuses on working class people. Royalty are not featured in the stories, and royalty is not thought of as a reward for being a good person. Responsibility and humanitarianism for the group is distinctly thought poorly of! Hence most Africans disliking foreign aid.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:20:01 2013 No.7133259

>>7131862
That's because they used Rapunzel's face model for Frozen.
It's like how they'd reuse backgrounds in various movies back in Disney's dark era.
Just take Rapunzel's face, make it a bit rounder, bam, Esla or whatever her name is.
I have a lot of issues with Frozen I could go on about this for a while.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:24:02 2013 No.7133262 [DELETED]

>>7131876
The problem is that these corporations are run by primarily white Americans so that's who they cater to.
Disney Jr has a pretty eclectic cast on their cartoons, but nothing will change until people who have the power go out of their way to do this. It's the same thing for Hollywood and for the book industry as well. We're gradually moving towards a more racially diverse change, but people just sit on their asses and bitch about it instead of going out, working towards getting a good job that puts them in a position where they can actually do something, and then pushing for that change to happen.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:48:31 2013 No.7133291 [DELETED]

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Can I just put in my two cents for this Disney race thing? Because I'm all for adding more diversity into our media, but I don't like how people are beginning to attack you for choosing to use white characters for things. I am a white American. For my thesis I'm illustrating a story I wrote, and when I was discussing my character designs, one girl in my class said I should make it take place in Africa.
I asked her why, (this girl is white btw) and she said how we need more representation of nonwhite characters in children's literature, which I agree with. However, the story I wrote did not reflect any African elements at all, and I feel that I would not be contributing to anything, but instead being more offensive.
Telling me I need to make my piece take place in Africa because of white guilt is such bullshit. If I want to write a story with African element I would, but that's not what my thesis is about, it's about gender identity (i know, i know) and I don't need to be throwing in extra bullshit element to distract from that. For next semester I'm illustrating a story I wrote where the main character is a little boy from India, and I'm praised for this. God forbid I do a story about white people despite whatever message I portray. Ironically enough, my GTI, who is from Mexico, loves my story and my character designs. He had no problem with them for being white because he said that the story and its ideals is what should be the focus.
I don't know, am I in the wrong here?

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>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:57:32 2013 No.7133299 >>7133291 No. You're not. It's your story.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:59:31 2013 No.7133304 >>7133112 It says African Ancestry. That's exactly the point. They made the black princess an American so she could have western culture because depicting African culture would have been racist.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:05:02 2013 No.7133312 [DELETED]

>>7133291
you're not wrong at all. someone in huge corporate media only has the responsibility of representation because their goal is to make as much money as possible by being as influential as possible. (and by that, i mean that they have in mind mass-marketing, expensive campaigns and usually a million side products intended for children to beg their parents for). it's quite a bit different than your situation, and i'd side with you over your weird friend.

that really touches on the difference between being mad about giant corps making decisions that whitewash, and smallfry tumblr artists thinking that they "make a difference" by racebending existing characters, or go out of their way to write in a cast of PoC. they're only going to stereotype that way, anyway.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:06:32 2013 No.7133315 [DELETED]

>>7133257
I'm confused about what time period you're speaking of. As you know, Africa has been colonized and it is very much influenced by the West. In many places like large cities, it's similar to America so I don't see how they can't have a present day African girl as a princess like they did with Tiana.
From what I've learned, Africa is not a monolith. There are different values and principals depending on factors like time period and who was in power where, what religions were practiced in the area, etc. For example, in Sub-Saharan Africa, the people were more egalitarian before Islam spread.
Yeah, and what you say about the clothes makes zero sense. Today many Africans just wear western clothes. Their cultural garments are different depending on the country but there are common clothes throughout Sub-Saharan Africa like the africana, which is super cute.
Tbh, I don't like speaking of Africa as if it were a country. It's a huge continent with many cultures and different people with different stories and values. It would be much easier to just talk about one country and go on from there. I mean, there are 54 to choose from. To say a movie can't be made because there isn't at least one story for it to be based on or one cultural garment that could be featured sounds pretty silly since Africa is a gigantic, diverse continent, like most continents are with so much material to be used in a movie.
I advise that people just watch some of the movies already made about African tales for inspiration. Many of them are cute. My favorite is Kirikou (not a princess story) but still.
>>7133262
I know, but bitching does help. Do you think most of those white Americans that run these corporations give a rat's ass about diversity? Nope. But they definitely do end up bending under the pressure and adding more PoC to entertainment. They just need to figure out how to do it right.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:12:02 2013 No.7133322 [DELETED]

>>7133291
Sorry, but I don't see the problem at all.
You said the girl made a suggestion. She suggested that you set the story in Africa. I don't see what's wrong with that and wanting diversity isn't always a product of "white guilt." You don't have to set the story in Africa and according to your story, no one's forced you so what's the deal? I swear, just mentioning diversity will get some white people upset and antsy for some reason.
>>7133297
Not in the lineup. But really nice play!
>>7133312
If the character is a PoC and that's canon, whitewashing them is a problem. Most white washing is done by fans. Making your own story with original white characters isn't bad, though. But there isn't anything wrong with considering being more diverse in your work.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:26:25 2013 No.7133333 [DELETED]

>>7133304
No, they made the princess African American because it's about fucking time they had an African American princess. Shit, Disney's an American company and they had native, white, and asian princesses but not a black one. I heard about them making a latina for a show but I didn't really follow up. Sadly, she isn't in the lineup anyway. Soon.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:27:55 2013 No.7133336 [DELETED]

>>7133322
Eh, it's not so much as I thought it was a dumb suggestion, because it would be a cool idea, it's just that her and a good amount of people in my year, every critique if anyone has a white character, they ask them to change the race.
Also all of these people are white, and the PoCs in my year are kind of offended by this actually. They say it's white guilt driving them, and having someone finally make the suggestion to me when I'm already pretty diverse about character design opened my eyes to all of the white kids vilifying white people designing white characters.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:34:26 2013 No.7133347 [DELETED]

>>7133336
I think I see what you mean. There's no problem with people continuing to have white characters as long as they keep on designing those on top of other characters who are more racially diverse. Like portraying an equal spread. But the tumblr faction wants to eliminate white people all together instead of showing everyone in equal amounts. It's pretty dumb if you ask me.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:37:25 2013 No.7133351 [DELETED]

>>7133322
anon, i wasn't talking about fans whitewashing characters, though i know it's a problem. i was talking about racebending, which on tumblr specifically, means just the opposite of whitewashing. essentially the point i was trying to make is that there's a difference between trying to influence what's put out in media, and changing already-completed media to suit your tastes.

a specific example would be to take one of the european princess movies and "re-imagine" the whole cast as PoC with varying realistic bodytypes. it may be self-gratifying and might get a few likes by other fans, but it doesn't influence the company for future productions because the masses still purchase plenty of merchandise from the original source, leaving them to conclude that making more of the same thing will be just as successful. (i'm talking about producers and ad execs here, not artists going into the business.)

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:40:25 2013 No.7133355 [DELETED]

>>7133322
I don't think the anon sounded like she was offended by the suggestion, just that she thought it was pretty redundant. Someone saying "well I think all of your characters should be black!" is opening a whole new can of worms, since unfortunately, portrayal of black literary characters is its own culture within itself, and it would be tacky to just adapt the anon's story for the sake of "diversify children's literature!"
You shouldn't be so quick to assume things of white people you're just feeding that bullshit tumblr mindset of all white people=ignorant cunts.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:46:56 2013 No.7133369 [DELETED]

>>7133351
Not the anon you replied to but I honestly don't see the problem with re-imagining stories into different cultures. It's a common practice within the industry and it creates some pretty unique things. Like the anon in this thread was talking about with traditional African stories, not everything can translate appropriately for little kids. Why can't little black girls wear a frufru European princess gown like all the little white girls? I know I sure as hell wanted to when I was a kid (sup, African American anon here).
I think this hivemind of anything adapted from the white man's stories into different cultures is bullshit. Who cares? Yes it would be nice to have more culturally diverse stories appropriated, but whatever there's no need to bitch them out for trying.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:48:27 2013 No.7133374 [DELETED]

>>7133315
Now I see. You aren't reading a damn thing I typed.

Folktale. FOLKTALE. Modern day stories are not folktales. All of disney princess movies are folktales, most being from before the 1500's. I don't give a flying rat's bitch tits about Africa today having cute western clothes. Using a modern day African girl as a princess makes no god damn sense, because that isn't how the princess formula works. It's already a huge fucking stretch in PatF what with magic and royalty being in America relatively recently.

Africa TODAY doesn't MATTER. The gowns are all supposed to be relatively historical. Mulan's wearing a butchered hanfu, the ballgowns are inspired by the relative time period, even if they are inaccurate. If we slapped another western ballgown on an African princess, you're just saying that black people have no garment culture! The real garments one might recognize as African are the Kanga. Nearly all others are nearly stolen from middle eastern styles. If Disney ever attempted an African Princess, it would likely be inspired by the Kanga, as a colorful and ornate article of clothing.

If Mulan can represent all of Asia, an African will need to represent all of Africa, at least until multiple movies can be made.

Oh, and just to slap your ignorant face, http://www.ghibliworld.com/michel_ocelot_interview.html.. Kirikou is made up by Ghibli, and the original story only had the demanding baby, and the fact that a sorcerress cast a spell. The real hero was an unrelated adult man with the makings of being the best shaman ever, and he just killed the Witch. End of story, no righteous and all-loving baby. You're an ignorant fool that took Michel Ocelot's edits, a white man, as part of the African tale when it was really white morals and values with an African theme.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:49:56 2013 No.7133375 [DELETED]

>>7133336
The white people in my area get "why is she/he *insert PoC race here??" And "Uggh, I hate when people try to be PC. Just make them white. You don't have to give into white guilt."
That's why I think the white guilt concept is BS. It's mostly used to shame white people who want to be inclusive or actually pay attention to PoC issues. Contrary to popular belief, many white allies (and not the annoying ones) aren't like Tim Wise. They don't speak for us when we're perfectly able to and they stand up for us in environments where we're not welcome. A lot of PoC's don't want to come off as angry and unagreeable so we put up with the BS. It's much easier to say, "Yeah, they're only doing this because they're guilty. Wanting brown characters that look like me? That's so offensive!" than "Maybe you should try being more inclusive" or "Why are you drawing an afro-latina as white?" Because the latter statements get you a lot of flack about being politically correct and "living in the past" or some shit. But I won't write you off as wrong because a lot of us don't want any Time Wise fuckers being the altruistic white people that they are and saying everything we've been saying since the beginning of time to make themselves feel like kind people. I feel ya'.
>>7133351
Okay, I understand now. And you're absolutely right. Seeing racebent characters make me happy and they're gratifying in the moment but we really should focus more on creating new characters that are more diverse (especially lead characters) so we won't have to race bend.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:53:55 2013 No.7133384 [DELETED]

>>7133333
Are you retarded? Obviously they were desperate to have their little black princess to fill their diversity quota. But the reason they made her African American instead of African is because depicting African culture would have been racist. lrn2read

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:03:25 2013 No.7133397 [DELETED]

>>7133374
Obviously, you didn't read a damn thing I said.
Clearly I stated that the movie could be set in modern day Africa. It can still be a folktale. FOLKTALE in modern times. The Princess and the Frog is based on an old tale but it's set in more MODERN TIMES. And the African princess could still wear an ornate African dress in a more modern day setting, as many still do. "Another" western dress on an African princess? No, if they were to dress her in a ballgown, it wouldn't be "another" because Tiana is in no way African and as a westerner, she wears western clothes. "Stolen" from Middle Eastern styles? How about adopted as that culture pretty much permeated almost all of Africa with Islam.
I didn't say Kirikou was accurate. I said they should watch it for inspiration. Disney has a history of twisting, editing and revising tales to make their own stories for their audience, and if they're having trouble doing that with an African story, look at Kirikou. It's done quite well. Inspired by an African story and altered to create a new narrative. You can't tell me Disney doesn't do that in their current movies.
>>7133384
Obviously, you're wrong. depicting African culture isn't racist. There was no reason for Disney not to make an African American princess. But you can keep your delusions if you'd like.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:05:26 2013 No.7133403 [DELETED]

>>7133375
Thank you! That's the kind of bullshit I want to avoid, but these kids are acting as if they're saints for "appropriating a more diverse culture" into their art. I feel secondhand embarrassment from them during critiques. It's kind of like watching that Pepper Ann episode where she finds out she's 1/8 Native American and proceeds to vilify the white man and praise her "native culture" through offensive stereotypes.
I'm not doing anyone any favors by suddenly forcing my entire cast, which is all of three people, to be a different race and culture for all of the wrong reasons.
I guess the white people in my area are the opposite of yours. They feel as if they have to "save the world" from backwards racist thinking or something.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:20:55 2013 No.7133418 [DELETED]

>>7133397
You stupid twat. There's no such thing as modern day folktale. That's just a story. tPatF barely made it as a princess movie to satisfy cunts like you. What is an ornate African dress to you, you idiot? Tiana fucking counts, because all the stupid SJW are going to see is a black woman wearing a European dress. America did not invent the ballgown, the white countries they hail from did. If you want an African princess, don't you want her to wear African clothes, and live in an African environment? Otherwise, it'll be another Tiana. Something will be too whitewashed.

Disney twisting and that particular instance of Ghibi twisting are worlds apart. Disney keep the general theme at the very least. The original story of Kirikou is about an African man shaman, who defeated a witch because he harnessed the power of the souls he killed and the deity he slept with (who was a hermaphrodite, btw) blessed him with more power than the witch, who only had the favor of a weaker deity. The little boy just demanded of his mom to be born, birthed himself, washed himself, and followed the protagonist a tiny ways while constantly being reminded that he's not worthy because he's not a shaman. That's not a little change. It's not even just editing the happily ever after. That's making the pug the main character of Pocahontas and having them fall madly in love and make half-demons puppies with rainbow hair. Seriously, the baby is so unimportant to the main story, they didn't even write him out, they just stop mentioning him after a while.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:35:14 2013 No.7133423 [DELETED]

>>7133418
TPF is BASED on a folk tale. None of the Disney princess movies are accurate. None of them stay true to the folktale. They all have revisions. The only important thing is that the story or theme is recognizable. Setting the story in modern day Africa and keeping the plot of the folktale relatively the same will not make it less of a Disney princess movie.
Tiana is not whitewashing, retard. Do you even know what African Americans are? According to you, almost everything we do would be "whitewashed" because there are origins in Europe. This isn't limited to African Americans, either. Everyone in America is subjected to white culture. Everyone. Whatever unique cultures possessed by its inhabitants and immigrants were integrated with white cultures originating in Europe. African Americans don't have any super special cultural black-chick dresses, fucktard. That's why Tiana is wearing a ballgown. We were created in a big bowl of African and primarily European culture. All of America is whitewashed to some extent. That's why we wear what we wear and speak English, etc. Not to say there is no black culture, but to bitch about Tiana wearing a ballgown is dumb.
Sure, I wouldn't mind the African princess wearing African clothes in an African environment. That's exactly what I'm suggesting.
Also, learn the definition of "theme." What you wrote wasn't a theme but a plot. And just because you're unsatisfied with Kirikou doesn't mean it's impossible to modify an African tale and keep its theme. Every culture has some sort of typical epic story. We could use an African epic and change it to make it more appropriate for the audience. Not hard in the slightest. Just admit you don't want an African princess and go on your way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:52:00 2013 No.7133443 how come park Ariel wigs are so brown? I realize that the fire truck red might be too "cartoonish" for a "real life" version but the current wig is such an ugly shade and every Ariel FC I see always looks so orange because of it

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:56:01 2013 No.7133449 >>7133443 And I wish they had more exaggerated cow licks even though that may be too difficult to do.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:58:30 2013 No.7133453 [DELETED]

You're so fucking stupid, you have to be trolling. The SJW are the ones complaining about the ballgown on Tiana, see>>7133108. The entire point is that to avoid the SJW entire argument, you can't use European clothes and stories!

You want an African Princess from Africa, not a black American, right? Well then you need African clothes and setting or you have another black American! And that's okay, I'm good with AA's getting more princesses, but your idiocy knows no bounds! African stories are short! There are no epics that are even google-able! Stories aren't told to children, they are told to other working adults! They often feature sleeping with dieties, tricking people and animals for personal gain, and other things adults can see as grey area, but we wouldn't show to kids. Find me one African epic, that is a true folktale. As in, created in Africa by Africans, preferably from the age most grimms tales are.

And no, theme is the correct word. The theme of The little mermaid is a young mermaid is interested in the human's world and strives to marry one. The plot is saving the prince, making a deal, losing her voice, dating, dying as foam/living happily ever after. The theme of Kirikou is the Diety's power displaying through great feats of it's favored shaman; A story about religious supremacy and the importance of worship/the shaman. The Protagonist has many (incredibly short) adventures, of which the child barely blips into and out of. The witch/sorceress wasn't even the real ending. Kirikou the Ghibli movie is a white man imaging what the side characters are doing, and then changing the main storyline, deleting the main character and having a serious antagonist be a misunderstood soul. Not even close to the same.

Find me an African tale that can reasonably be adapted, that is not all animals (since Lion King apparently didn't count), and features a female. Good luck, I won't hold my breath.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:12:31 2013 No.7133475 [DELETED]

>>7133397
>Obviously, you're wrong. depicting African culture isn't racist.
Really? So if Disney made a movie of an African princess walking around with a lip disc and men with spears and the architecture being huts made of sticks and mud, no one would claim it's racist? And you say I'm delusional.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:16:31 2013 No.7133482

>>7133443
MORE FACE CHARACTER COMPLAINTS:
Putting bright pink/red lipsticks on characters that don't normally wear it,
with Rapunzel and Merida being the worst offenders and making them look years older than their characters.
I get that it's supposed to make them look less washed out in photos, but damn at least try a lighter shade?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:18:31 2013 No.7133489 >>7133453 I like you

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:21:34 2013 No.7133493 [DELETED]

>>7133453
Does it look like I give a shit about SJW? The ballgown isn't an issue at all. That wasn't a SJW complaining about Tiana not wearing an African dress, that was an idiot who doesn't know that African Americans aren't African.
There are plenty of books about African epics. There are longer folktales, too. And if Disney decided to work with a shorter one, they could extend it for the movie (they do that anyway). I used to have an anthology called Oral Epics of Africa (?) and I'm sure there are others. Maybe you should check it out if you're interested. The Brothers Grimm stories aren't child friendly. That's why Disney edited the shit out of it. Why can't they do that with African tales and still have the same theme? Oh, yeah, they can. To presume that there is literally no African tale in existence that could be made into a princess movie is beyond dumb. The stories heavily impacted by Islam were the longest ones I've read because that religion introduced written language in many areas. Although those aren't oral tales, they could still work. I'm not employed to write an African movie for Disney but I could write a basic plot. It doesn't take that much to buy 10-20 books on African folklore and read them to pick a story. If I could do it, Disney can do it, too. I might actually do that just to be spiteful.
>>7133475
No, making an African movie isn't inherently racist. But I don't understand why Disney would pick that culture to represent all of Africa, especially since it wasn't that widespread and it's a common target of racism and mockery. Not a good move. But that doesn't mean any African Disney movie would be racist. Disney has more sense than to do that.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:23:33 2013 No.7133499 [DELETED]

>>7133475
Okay I'm not that anon you're talking to but obviously if you use the most stereotypical racist shit then of course it's gonna be racist. If you do actual research on like one particular country in Africa, then accurately portray the life, customs, clothing and culture of the people it's not gonna be racist! Accurate portrayals with accurate research aren't gonna be racist.

Yes there are parts of Africa where people do the things you've mentioned, but those customs belong to one particular tribe. (I'm not sure tribe is the right word, but I'm not too sure what the correct terminology is)

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:30:04 2013 No.7133508 [DELETED]

>>7133493
>>7133499
Sorry, but you're wrong. Save for very specific details like a lip disc, that's exactly how all of Africa was until they came into contact with civilizations to the North, in which case it ceased to be African culture. And it's obviously not racist, it's accurate. But that won't stop SJW's from claiming it is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:34:04 2013 No.7133520 >>7133508 Just do basic research on some African civilizations and you will see that they weren't all in "mud huts." Nice try, though.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:36:33 2013 No.7133522 [DELETED]

>>7133508
>until they came into contact with civilizations to the North, in which case it ceased to be African culture.
African culture is still African culture, even if it's influenced by other cultures. Cultures build upon one another; you can't just say something isn't part of a culture because it was influenced from something else. Japanese culture is HEAVILY influenced by Chinese, for instance. That doesn't mean it ceased to be Japanese culture. That just means it grew and changed.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:39:03 2013 No.7133533 [DELETED]

>>7133508
And nothern Africa is still Africa. The spread of written language and other creations did not erase African culture. Are you retarded? And you're assuming the Africans didn't continue to build their own cultures after sharing with the culture that came with Islam. People didn't live in a vacuum. They learned and interacted with each other and built upon each other's merits. You can't just say Africa's culture doesn't belong to them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:45:04 2013 No.7133554 >>7133533 >And nothern Africa is still Africa. Except northern Africans are not black. If you want a black princess, you can't use Egyptian culture, for example.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:51:33 2013 No.7133566 >>7133554 There are still black northern Africans. And no, Sub-Saharan African culture still belongs to them even if they were influenced by northern Africans. See >>7133522. Cultures are ever-changing and are often influenced by other cultures.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:52:34 2013 No.7133568 [DELETED]

>>7133493
The image is literally complaining about Tiana wearing a European dress. Otherwise, it would have said American dress under it. So yes, it is a SJW complaining about it.

And Africa's folktales did a heel-face turn after Islam, and adapted a lot of their folk tales. Many of the tales repeated in "Oral Epics from Africa: Vibrant Voices from a Vast Continent" are not only modern with no reference to indicate it was ever a folk tale, they are songs that feature nearly entirely Islamic ideas and storytelling techniques with Islamic locations. I mean, one character even repents (after having incestual relations with a particularly sexy mother of his) by making the trek to mecca in -gasp- not Africa! Despite Africa having no qualms with incest until Islam came along.

I've listened to many African traditional tales. They are geared towards adults. The brothers Grimm collected European tales from all over Europe, and catalogued them. The stories were told to children then, Disney only needed to clean up a few gruesome details and take on Happily Ever After(tm). They were child friendly in their day, and it only takes minor censoring to make them 2000's child friendly. They didn't write a whole new story. Find me an African tale that can even be altered to be a princess story. There aren't any! Royalty are not seen as the top of society, or god chosen. The people of every culture focus on who is supposedly god favored. For most of Africa that's a shaman or faith leader, and there are tons of stories about them, male and female. But they were about religious supremacy.

Disney doesn't want some obscure story or an original piece. They want classics reimagined for your daughters to fawn over. They want pretty, feminine women and a man she falls in love with to live happily ever after. Africans don't tell love stories to other adults in the time of folklore.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 00:02:35 2013 No.7133592 [DELETED]

>>7133568
Stop saying that image was made by an SJW. It's made against SJW's who attack people for depicting blacks as anything other then with western features or western culture. I know, because I made it. Like I said, they gave her that dress and that scenario because they're afraid to depict true African culture for political reasons, but desperately needed a black princess, also for political reasons.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 00:16:05 2013 No.7133613 [DELETED]

>>7133568
The person who posted wasn't a SJW. They were objecting to my idea that Disney should make more brown princesses.
Like stated before, it's not un-African because it's influenced by another culture. It's still Africa and there is still African culture. So those Islamic tales are still African, especially since Africa didn't do a "heel-face turn after Islam." They actually gradually accepted more Islamic principles into their own faith and by the time it became more prominent, it was influenced by traditional African beliefs. It wasn't the same as it was when it first emerged in the Middle East. I'm 100% sure I could find an African tale and make it Disney-esque. Maybe I'll make a thread about it after I write it. And if Disney doesn't want an African tale, that isn't a problem. They could take a more familiar tale from another culture and write it to take place in Africa. Very similar to what they did with Tiana in Louisiana. The princess would be African, in Africa and she could even wear an African dress. People have been appropriating stories into new cultures forever (like what happened with Islamic tales when they got to Africa) and it wouldn't be difficult for Disney to do today. Africa is primarily Christian so there are Christian tales (not from the bible) that are African and those could be used, too. Those would be easier for westerners to appeal to. And why does it matter if royalty wasn't as powerful? Little girls don't care too much about the princesses' power but they like their gushy stories.
>>7133592
They made Tiana African American because they wanted to be more inclusive. She was wearing a European dress because there is no such thing as an "African American dress." An African American princess would appeal to Americans better than an African or Caribbean princess would, too.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 00:21:34 2013 No.7133621 [DELETED]

>>7133613
>They made Tiana African American because they wanted to be more inclusive. She was wearing a European dress because there is no such thing as an "African American dress." An African American princess would appeal to Americans better than an African or Caribbean princess would, too.
>Broken record pretending your points weren't already refuted.
Nice strategy.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 00:24:04 2013 No.7133633 [DELETED]

>>7133568
Please read Mufaro's Beautiful Daughters by John Steptoe; it's based on African folklore. And read works by Virginia Hamilton. She wrote tales based on African and African American folklore. Harold Courlander has some, too. These are people who have successfully taken African tales and made them accessible to children.
>>7133621
You didn't take any time to refute my points. You literally just typed what you said over again but nice job.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 00:33:34 2013 No.7133651 [DELETED]

>>7133621
Please, show me what a traditional "African America dress" is. Show me one that isn't European or made by white people. Explain how it's different from white American dresses. And don't bring in any African dresses as they have different cultures. Oh, you can't. I already gave examples of authors who took African stories and made them accessible to children. Read their books. Disney can do the same with a princess movie set in Africa.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 00:36:03 2013 No.7133655 [DELETED]

>>7133613
Yes, it is a heel-face turn. They literally changed major societal beliefs and social structure. The polygamist marriage that had been the standard supposedly for all humanity was outlawed in four countries within a decade. The stories often have Islamic main characters. If it's an African simply retelling an Islamic story, it's an Islamic story. They didn't even change the names in many cases, or the names of the locations. Influenced implies African Ideals weren't completely removed. They were.

If they want to take another European tale, and just randomly place it in Africa, they have to change major details of Africa. They'd have to create a widespread kingdom. They would have to imagine a caste system. Symbols of kingdoms like horse-drawn carriages would have to be nixed, unless they replaced them all with zebras. I mean, a truly African princess is a difficult concept, because the society and stories do not lend themselves to it.

I'm not saying another black princess is a bad thing. I almost wish they'd make a Fiji princess, since there was a glamorous Kingdom, and there are some love stories (that start as rape, but we can edit that out). But Disney's Princess formula is simple. Take a classic, widely known tale that everyone will recognize and know the story to. Edit gore and sexual behavior out. Tack on a happy ending. Oh, and no male main characters, because boys are icky. African folk tales just don't fit at all, and using a European story requires a measure of whitewashing. If it was another studio (like Ghibli) they could write their own story that fit a lot more, but that's not Disney's Princess formula.

To specify, I never said that Africa has no good folklore. It does, and unique clothes and culture. And the Ghibli story was a wonderful one that was decently set in Africa. It just wasn't an African story, and didn't follow the African narrative style at all. All I'm saying is don't get your expectations too high for Disney.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 00:52:26 2013 No.7133672 [DELETED]

>>7133655
African ideals weren't completely removed. Of course it dominated northern Africa and most of West Africa but a considerable portion of Africa is still left. That is not a heel-face turn of Africa. That is a portion of Africa that many people in this thread don't even consider a real part of Africa or African culture, unfortunately.

They could easily change details about the story rather than Africa itself, like they did with TPF. They don't need a widespread kingdom because many Disney tales focus on the princess and her story, not so much her subjects. No, they don't have to replace carriages with Zebras. There doesn't need to be carriages at all. The movie Enchanted took many aspects of traditional European folklore but it was set in modern day NYC. The environment was completely different. There was no kingdom. But the story and theme remained intact. They've done it with TPF and they could do it again in Africa.

If they want to stick with African stories, they can look at the authors here >>7133633
for reference on how to do it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 00:55:55 2013 No.7133681 >>7133672 *there was no kingdom in NYC

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 00:57:55 2013 No.7133686 [DELETED]

Are you two having fun debating this? Neither of you really seem mad and you've got a lot to say in a relatively intelligent manner on both sides. Just asking because very few people seem to actually enjoy a good debate on here beyond "topkekitrolu" bullshit (does not count).

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 00:58:55 2013 No.7133688 [DELETED]

>>7133633
>John Steptoe
He was an African American who created his own stories that were inspired by African tales recorded in America. Read some of his notes, those stories were his own brilliance, not anything out of actual Africa. He never made it to Africa, or talked to anyone born in Africa as a source as far as his attributions and notes go. It's not African Folklore adapted to Americans, it's black literature from America. Two different beasts.
>Virginia Hamilton
Another lovely African American writer, who never claimed any of her work was based on truly African folklore, but certainly African American folklore that originated from slave-era blacks who developed a wholely unique culture. Thier stories were told at night, around a circle while playing music and dancing. That was a way of resisting white control, and was a pastime African blacks did not exhibit at all.

I don't know Harold Courlander enough to make any statements, so I'll have to assume he's another African American.

You're missing the point. If you want a black, African Princess, you need an African to write the tale. African Americans grow up with eurocentric morals but have their own means to an end that make their culture unique. Africa has a different set of morals, and a different set of means. A Disney Princess movie is practically an impossibility. The closest you might get is the story of Makeda. Even if it is a religious story to the west, the Ethiopians have their own version of the story. She was a real person, and she's mentioned in both the Bible and Koran. The only problem is that she was distinctly the Queen, not the Princess. No father in sight.

Close but no cigar.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 01:02:58 2013 No.7133696 [DELETED]

>>7133686
Honestly I think whoever I'm arguing with has some valid ideas about -a princess movie-, but doesn't quite understand why I'm saying Disney won't bother. I have no qualms with them, even if I was more vitriolic than necessary at the beginning. I would personally love to see some African tales animated. They just very, very rarely feature women, and never nobility. Their animal stories are far more common, and vastly more interesting, I think. They love the trickster, a lot. Makes for good animation

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 01:09:58 2013 No.7133713 File: 257 KB, 400x560, Songofthehero_mtg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] These would be a lot more awesome if I wasn't aware of the fact that 99% of people who cosplay Disney princesses have absolutely atrocious personalities.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 01:16:13 2013 No.7133726 [DELETED]

>>7133688
Courlander is a black anthropologist who studied African, Caribbean and African American cultures and wrote about them and their folklore.
Many Africans grow up with eurocentric morals, too (colonialism). It doesn't take an African to write a TPF/Enchanted type of princess movie (as described here >>7133672). But I'll check out more African folklore for more ideas for an African tale being used in the movie. If all else fails, we could fall back on an African Enchanted. Another example of something like that would be HBO's fairy tale special (?). I remember watching it a few times. They basically took very well known tales and made them multicultural. I think it was pretty successful.
>>7133686
Yep, it's fun and it helps you build upon your own ideas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 01:20:45 2013 No.7133736 File: 102 KB, 480x320, cute hbo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7133726 And here's a pic of the HBO's Happily Ever After "The Frog Prince." It makes me want to watch it again.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 01:30:44 2013 No.7133756 [DELETED]

>>7133726
I get what you're saying, and I do think a movie could be made with the same appeal as Disney. I just don't think Disney will. There aren't any well known African tales that feature women, and that's what Disney's niche is - taking the well known and adapting it. Just popping a PoC in will feel inauthentic. People already didn't like that TPF wasn't set in a fantasy time, creating reality clashing issues where children don't quite understand they can't also marry a prince. Tales set far, far away and once upon a time are easier to explain away as another world.

And if you're referring to the half live action movie enchanted, that's not a princess-line movie. It's a separate production animated by a subsidiary. The same with the Disney Channel shows. I mean, Lilo and Stitch is borderline, since they are made by the subsidiary by overseen by some of the leads. A different feel entirely than the main line.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 01:38:31 2013 No.7133768 [DELETED]

>>7133756
I think Disney will make it if it's demanded enough. PoC don't make the movies inauthentic, since they're already unrealistic and the message still gets across. Africa is a far away land for a lot of children, and I don't think parents will have any more trouble explaining to their kids what real life is like than when their kids watch the classics. I know I aspired to become a princess after watching Snow White even though it was in a fantasy land. I knew from the beginning that fairy tales were called that for a reason but you can't stop kids from dreaming. It's not a hazard or anything. And TPF promoted hard work and perseverance so the modern setting could have made those goals seem more achievable.
I know Enchanted's not a Disney princess movie but I'm using it as an example. They took a mashup of European tales and set it in a modern setting. It was entertaining and the audience recognized where the plot came from. I don't think the children were confused by it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 01:39:01 2013 No.7133769 >>7133154 guys what if just what if guys just wait a second what if they put her in the yurop dress because she married a GUY FROM A FAKE EUROPEAN COUNTRY AND THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS AN AMERICAN PRINCESS DRESS cgl, yikes

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 02:03:18 2013 No.7133800 >>7133769 That doesn't disavow anything the other anons said, and it'd be pretty lame if they decided that the prince's cultural identity trumped the princess's.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 02:05:47 2013 No.7133803 >>7133800 Dis you forget the >AND THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS AN AMERICAN PRINCESS DRESS part?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 02:06:47 2013 No.7133806 >>7133803 >>7133769 Stop posting, you've missed the point completely.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 02:07:18 2013 No.7133809 >>7133803 Did you forget the >That doesn't disavow anything the other anons said or do you just not care that this is one of the things this huge discussion has been about?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 02:11:47 2013 No.7133815 >>7133806 We already disavowed that "depicting African culture would be racist" bullshit earlier if you read the thread.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 02:16:48 2013 No.7133819 [DELETED]

>>7133809

>>7133499
>Okay I'm not that anon you're talking to but obviously if you use the most stereotypical racist shit then of course it's gonna be racist. If you do actual research on like one particular country in Africa, then accurately portray the life, customs, clothing and culture of the people it's not gonna be racist! Accurate portrayals with accurate research aren't gonna be racist.
>>7133493
>No, making an African movie isn't inherently racist. But I don't understand why Disney would pick that culture to represent all of Africa, especially since it wasn't that widespread and it's a common target of racism and mockery. Not a good move. But that doesn't mean any African Disney movie would be racist. Disney has more sense than to do that.

Then they (the person being responded to) go on to say that northern Africa influenced Sub-Saharan Africa so Sub-Saharan African culture isn't really there's. And that's absolutely untrue.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 02:36:18 2013 No.7133842 >>7131843 Omg are you me? Took the words right out of my mouth!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 03:56:22 2013 No.7133915 >>7127469 That's the -only- way to do a Jack costume without it looking like shit.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 09:31:37 2013 No.7134021 [DELETED]

>>7133819
>Then they (the person being responded to) go on to say that northern Africa influenced Sub-Saharan Africa so Sub-Saharan African culture isn't really there's. And that's absolutely untrue.
False. Sub-saharan Africa was totally primitive until Europeans literally started running country. The most advanced things it ever had were primitive metal tools and menial trade routes, this due to Northern influence. Depicting anything accurately about sub-Saharan Africa, including any time periods where Europeans are running the countries, would be deemed racist. You can pretend you shot down this argument, but those of us who are honest know it's true.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 09:47:36 2013 No.7134026 >>7133475 Not that anon, but they could easily do it without being "racist" about it. Look at Pocahontas. Really, the only people who would complain are buttmad SJWs and they hate everything, anyway.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 09:58:36 2013 No.7134028 [DELETED]

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>>7134021
>Sub-saharan Africa was totally primitive until Europeans literally started running country. The most advanced things it ever had were primitive metal tools and menial trade routes, this due to Northern influence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 10:12:37 2013 No.7134034 >>7134026 Which is exactly what I said. This doesn't take away from the fact that their cries would be taken seriously, as they usually are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 10:33:42 2013 No.7134044 >>7134034 But they're rarely taken seriously. Apart from YouTube videos, blog posts and people in Women's Studies, I've yet to see SJ influence happen IRL.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 10:54:42 2013 No.7134055 >>7134044 Did you miss the whole gay marriage thing, then?

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 10:55:14 2013 No.7134057 [DELETED]

>>7134044
>But they're rarely taken seriously.
Here's one from just a few weeks ago.

>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57600772/dunkin-donuts-criticized-for-racist-ad-campaign/

>A leading human rights group has called on Dunkin' Donuts to withdraw a "bizarre and racist" advertisement for chocolate doughnuts in Thailand

They are not rarely taken seriously, they are *often* taken seriously, they have organizations and advocacy groups, etc. You're simply ignorant of the world around you, I'm sorry.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 11:04:12 2013 No.7134068 [DELETED]

>>7134057
>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57600772/dunkin-donuts-criticized-for-racist-ad-campaign/
Do you have any actual proof that it was SJWs from Tumblr behind this, or are you just surmising that because the ideology appears similar?
>Thailand
Yeah, SJWs don't really care about anything outside the west, and there's no real reason they'd even know about this, to be honest.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 11:07:43 2013 No.7134070 >>7134057 Forgot to add that even the CEOs are saying that this is bullshit, no one is taking them seriously except Americans (which, again, is pretty strange because this is a Thailand-only ad). Sorry, this doesn't really count.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 11:15:13 2013 No.7134075 [DELETED]

>>7134068
>>7134070
You're confused. SJW isn't a group of people from Tumblr. SJW is a term used to describe people of a certain movement/ideology (the social justice movement, which has been around for decades), of which Tumblr has a very large, very exaggerated population of. And it doesn't matter that it's in Thailand, the internet has given this movement the ability to evangelize internationally, and they do so often.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 11:21:14 2013 No.7134077 [DELETED]

>>7134075
>the internet
This is exactly what I mean, actually. The internet has little to do with this unless the ad campaign went viral or something.
Basically, according to that article, a human rights group complained and that's it.
The ad hasn't been pulled, various CEOs have said it's just paranoid Americans being paranoid, and that's it.
Nothing really happened, they weren't taken seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 11:22:42 2013 No.7134078 >>7134077 >Nothing really happened, they weren't taken seriously. And yet they made it to CBS News.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 11:26:42 2013 No.7134081 >>7134078 >And yet they made it to CBS News. For complaining, and nothing else. The article might as well be titled "Murricans get upset about things, non-Murricans tell them to fuck off".

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 11:27:42 2013 No.7134082 >>7130264 How so? She's very passionate and she works so hard. Plus her costumes are always really accurate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 11:41:13 2013 No.7134099 >>7134081 You know what else can be titled "Murricans get upset about things, non-Murricans tell them to fuck off"? This thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 11:49:44 2013 No.7134103 >>7134099 Yeah, probably. Good thing I'm not American.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 12:43:56 2013 No.7134142 >>7131836 THIS IS SO PERFECT <3

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 12:47:55 2013 No.7134146 >>7133482 But doesn't Disney give their face characters very specific instructions on how to do their makeup? We need a former Disney employee to tell us who's in charge of their makeup. That would be interesting.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 12:56:55 2013 No.7134160

>>7134146
I'm a former Disney employee, but the closest I ever got to the entertainment people was being friends with a couple (never asked about their work) and accidentally wandering into the wig room once. Oops. Anyway, I'm fairly certain they get their own makeup artists, Disney definitely has multiple MUAs on site at Disney World. I know for a fact that they do have to have the hair and makeup done in a designated way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 13:26:14 2013 No.7134181 >>7134160 Do they have a way for us to contact them and submit our complaints about the loud brigh red lipstick? Lol And OMIGOSH WIG ROOM! What was it like? :o

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 13:27:14 2013 No.7134183 >>7134181 Get out, you homo.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 13:30:44 2013 No.7134187

>>7134181
It was amazing. Wigs everywhere, women styling wigs, and everything was pretty elaborate. It was a little messy with wig fibers and styling supplies being all around, but it was really cool. Made me jelly that I couldn't have all the pretty wigs. None of the women cared that I accidentally walked in there, but they did all stare for a second and I was embarrassed.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 13:34:15 2013 No.7134193

>>7134187
If there is one thing I've always been super impressed by is the face characters' wigs. Seriously I think they outshine their entire costumes. The only thing they seem to lack is appropriate makeup, like anon mentioned. You are so lucky to have stumbled in there! I bet it's a full-time job for the wig staff since just one day of wear probably wreaks havoc on each wig. Do you know what happens to them when they retire them? Do they sell them?

Also you said you knew some of th face characters - if you have stories pls share :3

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 19:25:02 2013 No.7134566 >>7134193 Disney never sells used cast member uniforms or costumes. Theres ones that pop up at Disneyana type shows but they're all, er, 'unofficial' sales.

>>	Mr.Life Sat Oct 5 19:33:02 2013 No.7134575 File: 571 KB, 768x1024, 3767459219_d9088d439e_b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] here's a rare one

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 20:07:50 2013 No.7134616
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>>7134160
They don't get makeup artists. They might have someone helping them the first few times, but other than that they do their own. Disney does tell them how they need to do their makeup, but each one might have a certain quirk... like how this girl uses white eyeliner and a lot more makeup than others

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 20:10:19 2013 No.7134619 File: 127 KB, 500x333, tumblr_mndbsdlAfl1qctn7jo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7133443 I like this shade the best, personally. The current one is more like auburn where this is closer to ruby red.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 20:10:20 2013 No.7134617 >>7134616 and circle lenses(???) goodness they should all wear them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 21:00:50 2013 No.7134679 >>7134619 I think the dark true red like this works better than a 100% accurate bright one would. Glows a nice bright shade in the sun and looks at least somewhat real. The bright red would look terrible in sunlight and fade quick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 21:33:40 2013 No.7134707 File: 32 KB, 338x500, frollo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] While we're talking about Disney park characters, can we talk about why they have some characters not be face characters when they really should be?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 22:06:27 2013 No.7134754 /r/ing mulan

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 22:15:56 2013 No.7134757

>>7134707
I don't think /any/ of the villains are face characters. They want the villains to be viewed as unattractive, but they couldn't very well do role calls requesting only ugly people. Plus each villain has a very specific look, the actors they hired for each one wouldn't be very versatile.

The only way they could do a good job with it is by making nice masks or forcing them to wear tons of prosthetics.

Also disney is made for CHILDREN and a lot of kids won't want to see the characters they are scared of. Having them be mascot characters makes them a lot less real and frightening to children.

>>7134146
>>7133482
Part of your training involves instructions on applying the makeup for your character(s) along with product recommendations. Sometimes you have a "supervisor" in the room with you that makes sure you look alright before going out but that's uncommon. You have a lot of freedom.

The bright lipsticks/blush are more there because they need to last all day, and things fade or get sweated off quickly in the sun. They also help you look less washed out and better from a distance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 22:16:57 2013 No.7134758 >>7134757 Some of the female villains are played without the costume heads. But it's as you said. They want them to look really menacing/unpleasant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 22:17:57 2013 No.7134760 >>7134758 >They don't want them**

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 22:33:29 2013 No.7134780
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>>7134707
Some of the female villains are face characters. I think part of it is that certain villains you can't really have talking. I mean, Frollo for example. What is his face character going to say? "I'M GOING TO FIND THE GYPSIES IN DISNEY WORLD AND GET RID OF THEM ONE. BY. ONE"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 22:40:28 2013 No.7134790 File: 93 KB, 1024x683, 1368506814012.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7134754

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>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 22:43:28 2013 No.7134797 File: 63 KB, 500x333, pingaroo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7134790 I wish Ping was a regular character

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Anonymous Sat Oct 5 23:01:28 2013 No.7134826
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>>7134707
Apparently there was a show at a Disney park where they had a Frollo actor. This looks waaaay better, and I can't imagine it's vastly more difficult to do this makeup than it is for regular face characters.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 00:09:59 2013 No.7134915 >>7134575 Who is this supposed to be?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 00:29:52 2013 No.7134936 >>7134915 I think it's supposed to be the hot wench from the Pirates of Caribbean ride.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 10:32:01 2013 No.7135296 File: 446 KB, 237x185, tumblr_m70g5yAlKv1rqi3bx.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127427 aaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 11:07:34 2013 No.7135331 >>7127464 sophia the first.....

>>	Mr.Life Sun Oct 6 11:20:34 2013 No.7135343 >>7134915 it's a can can dancer from it's a small world

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 11:24:34 2013 No.7135348 >>7134826 What a dream come true... skulking around the park with a judgmental frown, scaring children and whatnot. Living the dream.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 12:24:24 2013 No.7135402 File: 552 KB, 1024x683, 6306916880_f91fe909c8_b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] oh man, I hate being late to these threads

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>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 13:35:58 2013 No.7135474 File: 399 KB, 1192x1920, tumblr_mp0kbyqNmc1rc8ow3o1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] time to dive into my ariel folder

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 13:37:28 2013 No.7135477 File: 205 KB, 500x625, tumblr_mhg549Osat1qmrqrso1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7135474 I didn't save much of her new dress

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>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 14:55:51 2013 No.7135555 File: 72 KB, 383x577, tumblr_mmzzkfdTpC1rlkz5lo1_400.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7135554

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 15:02:52 2013 No.7135573 File: 151 KB, 500x666, tumblr_mhag6xYEkU1qmrqrso1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 15:08:51 2013 No.7135582 >>7127472 I don't know who this is, but that dress is lovely!

>>	Mr.Life Sun Oct 6 16:47:15 2013 No.7135707 File: 1.40 MB, 1365x2048, 8875600249_76cc7e6718_k.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Mr.Life Sun Oct 6 16:48:46 2013 No.7135711 >>7135582 cosplayer or character

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 19:40:32 2013 No.7135999 >>7134826 This was probably the Festival of Fools tie in thing back when Hunchback of Notre Dame came out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 19:41:01 2013 No.7136003 >>7135491 Well now I know what scarf to make this year.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 19:42:02 2013 No.7136004 >>7135582 Its from Frozen I think.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 20:35:20 2013 No.7136088 File: 108 KB, 720x703, 261681_1853673430852_7977046_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7135582 it's Elsa from the upcomming movie Frozen

>>	Mr.Life Sun Oct 6 20:35:50 2013 No.7136085 File: 68 KB, 480x720, 180061_10150104873276409_534541_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7135707

>>	Mr.Life Sun Oct 6 20:37:08 2013 No.7136092 File: 80 KB, 600x800, 299721_235452169834426_8213538_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7136085

>>	Mr.Life Sun Oct 6 20:42:52 2013 No.7136102 File: 73 KB, 720x960, 301098_10150335845438597_1971255914_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7136092

>>	Mr.Life Sun Oct 6 20:44:22 2013 No.7136105 File: 143 KB, 640x960, 527043_355477667861111_1209744109_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7136102

Anonymous Sun Oct 6 20:46:23 2013 No.7136110

>>7136092
It's weird seeing people crossplay as princesses.
>>7135402
I know they can't make the hems long enough since they have actors of different heights, and if the dresses dragged they would get dirty. But it bothers me so much that the dresses are never the proper length!
>>7134886
I've never seen an Elinor before! She looks perfect.

>>	Mr.Life Sun Oct 6 20:46:23 2013 No.7136111 File: 335 KB, 395x678, Screen shot 2013-10-06 at 5.17.05 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7136105

>>	Mr.Life Sun Oct 6 21:41:57 2013 No.7136181 File: 87 KB, 720x960, 556148_455801737782494_74352946_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7136111

>>	Mr.Life Sun Oct 6 21:43:57 2013 No.7136183 File: 40 KB, 366x960, 923322_642667025762630_1942943773_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7136181

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 00:55:15 2013 No.7136538 >>7135488 She's my favorite Ariel. She doesn't really suit her physically but something about her is so genuine.

>>	Mr.Life Mon Oct 7 11:21:32 2013 No.7137081 File: 68 KB, 500x375, tumblr_mub0hbfIW61rr8dn9o1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] first look at the Frozen face characters

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 11:22:33 2013 No.7137085 >>7137081 Oooh cute.

>>	Mr.Life Mon Oct 7 12:09:37 2013 No.7137129 File: 171 KB, 1280x1792, tumblr_mjr5w91ERx1qjxr9to1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 12:12:07 2013 No.7137135 >>7137081 Ugh, the sequins.

>>	Mr.Life Mon Oct 7 12:19:07 2013 No.7137149 File: 77 KB, 720x480, 65756_441938687495_7534643_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7137129

>>	Mr.Life Mon Oct 7 12:21:07 2013 No.7137151 File: 120 KB, 467x700, rope1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7137149

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:25:55 2013 No.7137282
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Here is my sister with Snow White at our city's fair recently. Snow White was with Cinderella's fairy godmother, it was already dark outside, and it was $2 just to take a picture. She spent $5 to take the picture and received a plastic tiara.

I had to do some editing just to make them both visible.

She's not the best with money. ;__;

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:31:26 2013 No.7137287 >>7137081 I like the girl they used fro Elsa, and the wig, but that dress, man.It looks like a cheap imitation of the real thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:32:55 2013 No.7137288 >>7137287 *for

>>	Mr.Life Mon Oct 7 15:37:55 2013 No.7137290 >>7137287 Nah it's just bad lighting

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:48:59 2013 No.7137301 >>7137290 I dunno. But I should probably hold off any real judgement until more pictures are available. But like I said, the girl they're using really suits her!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:42:01 2013 No.7137574 >>7136110 I don't think they're crossplayers? Just looks like a particularly tall Ariel and a particularly short Cinderella.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:48:01 2013 No.7137586 >>7135437 Cute photo but I will never understand why cosplayers feel the need to add a white petticoat to this outfit. There isn't one in the movie. Kudos to her for doing the shirt a pale blue though.

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