Deactivated real gun

[Anonymous No.6757552]

Would an obviously deactivated real ex-gun fly at a con?
Could i, say, find a broken side-by-side double barrel shotgun, weld the chambers closed, removed the trigger mechanism and cut it down to be that one gun that the scout from tf2 can use? What if I painted the barrel tips safety orange?
Pic related, could weld barrels closed.

[Movie Theater Lad !/RUz7lnpiY No.6757569]

I'm sure you can use them at photo shoots!

[Anonymous No.6757600]

It would depend on the con.
One of the more stringent cons is PAX, where they don't even allow deactivated airsoft guns.

If it's a con that doesn't allow real weapons, painting the end orange won't do you any good, since someone could just do that to a working gun.

[Anonymous No.6757606]

I think it heavily depends on the convention themselves, but I feel like they would still be very iffy on a REAL, if totally inoperable gun.

Like MTL said, you could probably have it for an off-premises shoot but I would still be very wary especially of the temperaments of local authorities you might come across.

[Anonymous No.6757620]

just get a toy shot gun and saw the barrel off.
spray painting isn't hard

[Anonymous No.6757653]

>>6757569
CARLOS

[Anonymous No.6757656]

>>6757552
>Would an obviously deactivated real ex-gun fly at a con?
This seems like a bad idea. It's hard to tell that a gun is indeed safe. Even if it's welded shut, it's still not a toy; those barrels were made to shoot. I'm sure con staff would be wary of something that could still have rounds chambered.
>What if I painted the barrel tips safety orange?
I would imagine this to be a necessity; convention staff are real sticklers for the orange tips. Still, the best thing in this case is to contact the staff for the con well in advance.

>>6757606
>I would still be very wary especially of the temperaments of local authorities you might come across.
This. I'm not sure how the laws affect deactivated firearms, but federal law states that shotgun barrels must be at least 18 inches long and that the gun in total must be at least 26 inches long. The scout's shotgun, being extremely cut down, will almost certainly run afoul of the law and bring you a lot of unwanted attention from the police. As other posters have said, it's probably a better idea to go with a modified toy shotgun. The commitment to authenticity is appreciated, but a combination of the potential problems with the police (who will indeed notice that your gun is real and not a toy), difficulties with convention staff and the fears many other people hold about real guns makes this not the best idea. Not to mention the extra weight of a real gun. Even lightweight guns will still probably weigh you down an extra 5-7 pounds, which doesn't sound like a lot now, but will make you that much more tired after a long day.

[Anonymous No.6757903]

It is illegal to carry a gun in public. Whether it be real, fake, functioning or not.

Also, Scout's scattergun is not the same thing at all as a shotgun.

[Anonymous No.6757911]

>>6757903
Uh no it's not. At least not in my state. It's illegal to carry concealed in my state without a permit. I don't think a location was mentioned either?

[Anonymous No.6757915]

No because it still looks like an honest to goodness real gun from any distance. Use a toy, it's cheaper and you won't cause any trouble with the authorities like an asshat.

[Anonymous No.6757918]

>>6757911
It's illegal in every state.

[Anonymous No.6757921]

>>6757918
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States

hurpadurpadurp

[Anonymous No.6757929]

>>6757918
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States#Diversity_in_State_Laws
>twelve states permit open carry of a handgun without requiring the citizen to apply for any permit or license. Thirteen states require some form of permit (often the same permit as allows a person to carry concealed), and the remaining seventeen states, though not prohibiting the practice in general, do not preempt local laws or law enforcement policies, and/or have significant restrictions on the practice, such as prohibiting it within the boundaries of an incorporated urban area.
3/10, you made me reply. For a detailed state-by-state breakdown, see here:
http://www.opencarry.org/

[Anonymous No.6757930]

>>6757911
No it isn't. Washington state is an open carry state. Which means anyone can do it if you do it openly. If you want to conceal it then you need a permit which is very easy to get.

Open carry only becomes illegal if you brandish your firearm in Washington.

[Anonymous No.6757934]

>>6757918
Lol no it's not.

Are you trolling or that stupid?

[Anonymous No.6757935]

>Would an obviously deactivated real ex-gun fly at a con?
No it probably wouldn't. I yet to be at a con that didn't explicitly say "no real firearms or functioning replicas" even if it's deactivated it's still a real firearm that potentially could be re-activated. I wouldn't risk it at all.
>... and cut it down to be that one gun that the scout from tf2 can use?
Now if you're looking for a scout gun I really would suggest building one. It wouldn't have to be as intense as this, take a look at volphins build
http://volpinprops.blogspot.ca/2010/04/tf2-force-nature.html

[Anonymous No.6757944]

>>6757930
Replying to wrong person I think.

Also op if you're in a state that allows open carry a police officer CANNOT detain you simply for having something that looks like a gun in a non threatening manner. They have to suspect you of a crime. Search for 'law student schools cop on gun laws' you tube video. I can't paste because my phone is retarded.

However if you are asked by a privately owned establishment to leave the premises you must. I assume conventions are somehow deemed or classified as private events...

[Anonymous No.6757947]

>>6757944
>They have to suspect you of a crime. Search for 'law student schools cop on gun laws' you tube video.

That will only work if you're white, just sayin'.

[Anonymous No.6757953]

I really think they would not allow it. Since it still could be used as a heavy club. Notice most cons will not allow props with med-large metal parts. Check out LOTR cosplayers and read how they rant about having to leave their "authentic" blunted blades with security during their stay.

[Anonymous No.6757958]

>>6757947
Well you just have to record it like he did. And all cop cars have a camera that begins recording automatically once lights and/or siren are turned on. I never looked into the race of the law student.

[Anonymous No.6757961]

>>6757958
>And all cop cars have a camera that begins recording automatically once lights and/or siren are turned on
And you'd have access to that how? Even if you were to make your own recording, you can't guarantee they wouldn't stop you.

>I never looked into the race of the law student.
Take a wild guess.

[Anonymous No.6757969]

>>6757961
Alright dude chill. I'm not going to argue racial issues I'm just stating laws.

[Anonymous No.6757977]

You're not allowed to carry a gun, working or not.

[Anonymous No.6757978]

>>6757969
I'm just saying, "argue about laws with the cops" is a pretty stupid suggestion since it clearly won't work for everyone.

[Anonymous No.6757981]

>>6757934
/k/ here. Trust me, you'd be shocked at how retarded a lot of the common public is about gun laws.

[Anonymous No.6757983]

>>6757978
Well I guess one of us will get shot for standing up for our rights and one of us won't, sucks to be me lol

[Anonymous No.6757986]

>>6757981
I love how people try to pretend they're a representative of a 4chan board to try to make it seem like they're an authority on a subject.

[Odd !.BGCz.pJgY No.6757988]

Q

[Anonymous No.6757992]

>>6757986
I find it easier to say "/k/ here" than "/k/ browser for four years, former military armorer, concealed-carry permit instructor, and gun rights advocate," but the point stands either way. You're free to act autistic about it if you'd like. The point of my post was quite clear.

[Anonymous No.6757995]

>>6757986
Yeah. And they are the ones who has a 9pm curfew.

[Anonymous No.6757998]

>>6757992
What's the deal that conventions have that let them ban blunted weapons and the like? In my state only private property and private business owners can legally ask you to leave the premises (if they see your weapon obviously). Of course I could also be remembering incorrectly.

[Anonymous No.6757999]

>>6757992
Produce proof of what you say you are or forever be known Rupert.

[Anonymous No.6758002]

>>6757998
Safety Precautions. Example: Yaio Paddles

[Anonymous No.6758004]

>>6758002
Uh is that the legal explanation rofl

[Anonymous No.6758016]

>>6757998
Part of it would depend on the laws for the actual state in question, but they can usually get away with that sort of thing with an appeal to "public safety," given you have large numbers of people gathered in close proximity. Same reason you see a lot of "weapons free zone" signs in places like theaters, stadiums, and universities. That said though, those "weapons free" mandates are often based on no legal ruling and there have been cases where they were shot down in court. It's just that most people see the sign, think, "Oh, damn," and don't bother to contest it.

Frankly I think a lot of it's just bullshit, generally. For a con specifically, if you're attending a paid event, there's probably a deal in there somewhere (either when you bought the tickets or even just posted on the building) stating that entry constitutes acceptance of their terms, in which case they can pretty much make up whatever floats their boat. You don't have to agree with it, but you can't enter the con if you don't.

[Anonymous No.6758017]

>>6758004
Sort of. 2002 had some sort of explosion if yaio weilding weaboos who smacked everyone they found "Idolistic". Several instances of below quality paddles splintering and entering under flesh.

Yaio paddles were fun at first till idiots got their hands on them.

[Anonymous No.6758020]

>>6758017
>Several instances of below quality paddles splintering and entering under flesh.
I never heard of that personally but I have heard of at least a dozen people who had cell phones smashed.

[Anonymous No.6758033]

>>6758020
> I have heard of at least a dozen people who had cell phones smashed.

Ahh! Those are the victims of purist.

I experienced that.
>Was dressed as Chinese Zombie.
>Check for text mesages.
>Put in my pants pocket.
>Surprised wack on my pelvic area.
>See Heavy Dynasty Warrior She Beast pointing YaioPaddle at me.
>Sternly tells me 16th century chinese zombies had no celphones.
>Smugly walks away after telling me.

I tried to find her when I found out my cell was damaged.

[Anonymous No.6758046]

>>6757930
This, actually. It also applies to most other states.
If anyone missed the people walking around with rifles in the state capitals... Yeah. My parents went down to the one in Olympia.

[Anonymous No.6758048]

>>6757999
I'm not waking up my wife to get *all* of it just to satisfy someone I don't know on the Internet, but I'm sure you'll be satisfied with my DD-214 (clearly showing my rate as a gunner and armorer) and a sticker from the Phuket, Thailand shooting range on top of a pile of guns, gun parts, and ammunition.

I also went ahead and left the "1983" in my birthdate field visible, just so Mr. "I Bet He Has A 9 PM Curfew" here feels silly. >>6757995

<3 you guys, /cgl/.

[Anonymous No.6758063]

>>6758048
So you got an old (2000) form. Does Daddy know your playing with his stuff?

The thing is, this is 4chan. Your over eagerness to prove us wrong just proves that you are underage. And the way you did it. Posting pic of guns, bullets and a sticker. How childish can you get?

Oh. And the code/acronym for armorer is nowhere on the form. It also has not been counter signed by your superior officer of Board.

I give you 8 for effort.
2 for ... just plain posing.

[Anonymous No.6758064]

>>6758048
>CAUTION: NOT TO BE USED FOR IDENTIFICATION USES

[Anonymous No.6758067]

>>6758048
Another thing This is a DD 214 form.

[Anonymous No.6758072]

>>6758064
>>6758063
Reminder, /cgl/. This guy is LITERALLY JUST TELLING YOU WHAT YOU CAN READ ANYWHERE ON THE WEB.
Why are you so focused on the goddamned details of his background? Seriously?

[Anonymous No.6758075]

>>6758072
slow day.I need a bit of a distraction. Plus it's fun to make kids scramble for proof.

[Anonymous No.6758078]

>>6758075
It's stupidly obvious that they aren't talking out of their ass. Just chill out and go do something else.

[Anonymous No.6758081]

>>6758078
>It's stupidly obvious that they aren't talking out of their ass

Please explain. I felt hot gas.

[Anonymous No.6758082]

>>6758063
Clearly, I bought it from the DD-214 store! And "Armorer" hasn't been an actual rating for decades; it's a shipboard billet designation. You're fun though, I like you.

>>6758064
The funny part is that the reason I had the thing out in the first place is because the DMV accepts it as a document for proving your identity. I had to get it out while applying for my lost ID. The big warning at the top about not using it for identification amused me.

>>6758067
...right? Well done, you have correctly identified a labeled form.

>>6758072
I only come to /cgl/ to read the hilarious drama, honestly. If everyone here wasn't so catty and borderline-autistic when it comes to arguing with each other, I probably would have stopped visiting ages ago. Normally I just browse, but this is the most fun I've had in a thread here in quite a while.

[Anonymous No.6758084]

>>6757958

Dunno about your county, but ours has a fucking terrible history with cops and recording devices. If you are filming an arrest or something involving the police, they will arrest you and confiscate your recording device, and good luck getting that shit back. If you're involved/they're talking to you and you're recording, that shit is getting snapped in half and you're getting fined for being an obstruction of justice.

[Anonymous No.6758085]

>>6758081
They know about guns. YAY? They were in the fucking military, which is obvious from the form. Which...means they know guns at least a bit. And frankly- I'm a 23 year old girl and I know plenty about guns. It's not really a fucking talent. I don't know why there's a sudden need to make sure he's ~*~qualified~*~ to talk about them.
What else is there?

[Anonymous No.6758088]

>>6758084
What country are you in, out of curiosity? Here, so long as you aren't interfering with their business, they can't prohibit you from watching or recording their actions.

[Anonymous No.6758091]

>>6758082
DMV - does not accept Identification more than a year old.

1/10

[Anonymous No.6758090]

>>6758085
/k/-guy here, don't get worked up over it. He's bored and trolling, and I'm bored and posting pictures of guns. If nothing else, it's almost a sort of symbiotic relationship.

[Anonymous No.6758093]

>>6758090
ditto!

[Anonymous No.6758094]

>>6758091
Guess my birth certificate is void, than.

[Anonymous No.6758095]

>>6758091
DD-214 is not legally a piece of identification, as is clearly stamped at the top.

Your move.

[Anonymous No.6758097]

>>6758095
That means you can't replace it with your state issued ID.

[Anonymous No.6758099]

>>6758098
I GUESS SO!!!

[Anonymous No.6758098]

>>6758094
Does this mean my marriage license is also void, and I'm therefore free?!

[Anonymous No.6758100]

>>6758094
If you had your Birth Cetificate, you would not need your "DD 214".

I love the circles we are making. Will you have sex with me?

[Anonymous No.6758101]

>>6758097
Thank goodness I was doing nothing of the sort, but was rather using it as a supplemental piece of information to procure a NEW ID. That would have been quite awkward for everyone involved.

[Anonymous No.6758102]

>>6758100
I'm not /k/-anon. :(

[Anonymous No.6758103]

>>6758100
I'm not even sure how many people are posting in here anymore.

I'm down for a /cgl/-orgy, though.

[Souviet !YbrmcBEMWk No.6758104]

>>6758103
would putting my trip on help.

[Anonymous No.6758105]

>>6758099
>>6758098
>>6758097
>>6758095
>>6758094
>>6758093
>>6758090
>>6758085
>>6758082
>>6758078
>>6758072
>>6758067
>>6758064
>>6758063
Samefagging

[Navyfag No.6758107]

>>6758104
Possibly, though I don't know which ones were you.

I usually go by Navyfag when posting actual useful information in /k/, but I've never used a trip.

[Navyfag No.6758108]

>>6758105
Ok, you're no longer allowed in the orgy.

[Anonymous No.6758109]

>>6758103
>>6758102
It's ok if your'e not /k/. Random strangers are somewhat exciting.

[Souviet !YbrmcBEMWk No.6758111]

>>6758105
No.

>>6758102
>>6758099
>>6758094
>>6758085
>>6758078
>>6758072

I'm just these.
Your same-fag detector is broken.

[Navyfag No.6758113]

>>6758111
I suppose I'll claim mine.

>>6757981
>>6757992
>>6758016
>>6758048
>>6758082
>>6758088
>>6758090
>>6758095
>>6758098
>>6758101
>>6758103
>>6758107

[Bored No.6758116]

>>6758105

Ok.Who invited you?

[Navyfag No.6758115]

>>6758109
Well, at least half the people quoted there are /k/!

[Navyfag No.6758119]

>>6758115
Derped out and dropped my image.

[Navyfag No.6758124]

>>6758116
Wasn't me.

You ever have one of those moments where you leave the front door open and a random hobo stumbles into your living room? Or is that just me?

[Souviet !YbrmcBEMWk No.6758128]

>>6758124
I've had them stumble into my yard. Does that count?

[Bored No.6758131]

>>6758119
Arent you /k/? Then who the fuck was /k/? Are you still here /k/?

wait... Is OP still here?

[Navyfag No.6758132]

>>6758128
Only if you then used your newfound friends to have a potluck barbecue.

>tfw when we're all banned tomorrow for spamming the crap out of /cgl/

[Souviet !YbrmcBEMWk No.6758133]

>>6758132
But he fell asleep in an ivy bush. :(

[Bored No.6758134]

>>6758131
Demmit! Boss needs color samples. Be back in 2-3 hours.

[Navyfag No.6758135]

>>6758131
I was /k/, yeah. I just put the name on that I usually use on that bored. Probably would have been easier if I put on "/k/-guy" or something but it didn't occur to me.

And I assume the OP is either long gone, or watching this thread while confused and drinking heavily, wondering where it all went wrong.

Though if he wants to know about deactivated guns, hell, I'll talk about it. I just assume they'd be barred from cons without question since it's usually hard to tell at a glance whether it's deactivated or not.

[Navyfag No.6758137]

>>6758135
>on that bored

This is your fault. >>6758134

>>6758133
That sounds... painful. Was he ok? D:

[Bored No.6758140]

>>6758132
not really spamming /cgl/. thread was set to die anyway with first argument of gun laws.

[Souviet !YbrmcBEMWk No.6758141]

>>6758135
Usually they are. Sakuracon bans even deactivated nerf guns. I'm going to presume pretty much all other cons ban even gutted firearms.

>>6758137
I hope so. He wasn't there in the morning, so I assume he picked himself up and continued on his merry partially drunk way.

[Anonymous No.6758143]

>>6758033
I laughed a little.
I'm really, really sorry.

[Navyfag No.6758144]

>>6758140
I suppose the better term would be "breathing some life into /cgl/."

>>6758141
>Sakuracon bans even deactivated nerf guns

Deactivated.... nerf... guns...? I... no. Just no.

See, shit like this is a large part of why I've never actually attended a con. There are two characters I've always wanted to dress as, and they're both reliant on having guns. I'd be so mad if the rest of the outfit was awesome but I had to either have no guns, or guns that looked like complete garbage.

[Bored No.6758145]

>>6758137
partly mine,partly yours,partly that other guy...

Friends?

I got some time. Boss waylaid by layout queen.

[Souviet !YbrmcBEMWk No.6758150]

>>6758144
Yeah, I had some friends get turned down for that. It needs to be all hand made or something. Or a fake ass toy gun, like the ones that just make clicking noises. Their rule is 'if it ever shot any projectile in it's life, it's not allowed'.
Which is a tad unfair, but very strict as far as cons go.

[Navyfag No.6758152]

>>6758145
>layout queen
>color samples

Trying to determine whether you're making clothes, cakes, or websites.

[Anonymous No.6758153]

>>6758143
No prob. A few hours later I picked up this sweet MP4 player near the trash bin. So karma is king with me.

[Navyfag No.6758154]

>>6758150
>all handmade

Come to think of it, I could PROBABLY make a decent set of revolvers out of card stock and aluminum if I took the time to do it right.

Perhaps my dream of someday cosplaying Roland Deschain is not entirely in vain.

[Anonymous No.6758155]

We get this question on a bi-monthly basis. Just check your con and state rules.

And the answer is probably no.

[Souviet !YbrmcBEMWk No.6758156]

>>6758154
That'd totally work!

[Bored No.6758158]

>>6758152
Bags. Utility/camp/Hike Bags to be precise. Be back in a bit.

[Bored No.6758159]

>>6758154
Do it!

[Navyfag No.6758162]

>>6758156
I COULD JUSTIFY MY YEARS ON /cgl/ BY ACTUALLY ATTENDING A CON. DEAR GOD.

>>6758158
Oh, score. My wife and I go hiking frequently; anyone who makes a decent bag that's actually useful and not cheap, mass-produced junk has my respect.

[Bored No.6758175]

am ba-ack

>>6758162
We are affordable but not China Cheap. Half of what we do is customs. Biggest irritant are the ones who want full leather arm straps on backpacks. Why are so dead set on sweating on cow hide that has to be oiled once every two weeks on luxury bags?

[Navyfag No.6758178]

>>6758175
>full leather arm straps on backpacks
>why.jpg

That's pants-on-head retarded. I like leather. Hell, I'd even say I love leather; my boots, gloves, and jacket have all been leather for years. But on a hiking pack? Gimme synthetics any day.

Honestly, the one I most commonly use for long or isolated trips is the ALICE bag I merrily pilfered from the fleet before I came back to the States, which is sadly about due up for replacement. Especially since my cat peed on it a while ago.

[Bored No.6758180]

>>6758178
Cat pee?

Lemon and detergent. No bleach. It might work but since you need a replacement...

Anyway, the guy who wanted leather straps was trying be be hardcore. We turned him down.

[Navyfag No.6758185]

>>6758180
That last line reminded me of Jorge, here.

The main reason I'm looking for a new one isn't that the old ALICE pack is particularly worn, but rather because it's huge. I need something that's literally about half the size. The only bags I have are that thing (which is basically the size of a three-day pack, if you're unfamiliar) and a much smaller one that only has enough space for a few bottles of water, some basic first-aid supplies, and a handful of granola bars. Neither my wife nor I have managed to find a decent bag that's the right size for an all-day hiking trip, which is both affordable and not made-in-China quality.

[Anonymous No.6758193]

>>6758185
guffaw

Most bags we augment are from the army surplus shop. Better canvas bags. Some surprisingly made with gore tex. We only started Nov of last year so we go out if we are under the budget. I suggest you do the same and if you can, custom it yourself or have someone do it.

A client wanted Packs but did not want it with camelbacks (overpriced sandwich bags with a straw) so we threw him the Idea of a 2 liter pep bottle that can be unstrapped from the side.

[Anonymous No.6758196]

>>6758193
Forgot to ad the bottle has a similar straw device from camelback

[Navyfag No.6758197]

>>6758193
Oh good, someone who shares my dislike of Camelbaks.

Ok, on that note, it's 2 AM and I'm going to sleep. It's been a pleasure cluttering up the board with you.

[Anonymous No.6758198]

>>6758197
Good for you. I have to wait for my Black Mesh to be delivered. Damn you UPS!

[Anonymous No.6758205]

>>6758111
>>6758113
and maybe >>6758116
I have a feeling you two would get along well in person! You should exchange emails~

[Anonymous No.6758222]

>>6758153
By the way, whoevers/whomever owned that MP4 player, thank you for introducing me to Ayumi Hamasaki!

[Souviet !YbrmcBEMWk No.6758235]

>>6758205
casually puts my email above if the other two feel cool with that.

[Bored No.6758245]

>>6758235
Not falling for that again. Still reeling from the spam of 2005. My mail still has to recover.

[Souviet !YbrmcBEMWk No.6758248]

>>6758245
Boo, you give me so little credit.

[Anonymous No.6758250]

[Bored No.6758252]

>>6758248
just being safe.

[Anonymous No.6758324]

Sorry if someone's already said this- I started reading through the thread until the mudslinging fest.

As someone who works security- no, it wouldn't be allowed.

Security has to look at guns from a distance and determine whether they're real and dangerous or not. Having a real gun obviously is going to set off a warning. Most security folk wouldn't be able to tell it's deactivated from a distance. Simply painting the tips orange doesn't really do anything- it doesn't say "This gun is safe", it says "I painted this gun to look safe to fool people."

You also have to take into account hotel security and cleaning staff, who you may encounter within the convention center.

Also, many cons don't allow metal, sharpened or not.

Also also, I'm sure people are a little more cautious after the CO and MA shootings this year,

Even if you managed to find a con that did allow it, it's just too much of a hassle compared to just making a fake gun.