>beautilation.tumblr.com/post/33538802648 Alright, opinions? I honestly think shes awesome for standing up for herself. I've never heard of this chick before so i dont know if this was her first con or not, but i do hope to see more of her.

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Washu !R7sqSH2wmU Mon Oct 15 08:13:59 2012 No.6315016 [Reply] [Original]

>beautilation.tumblr.com/post/33538802648

Alright, opinions? I honestly think shes awesome for standing up for herself. I've never heard of this chick before so i dont know if this was her first con or not, but i do hope to see more of her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 08:48:36 2012 No.6315023 Retarded feminists

Mel !iKGMr61IHM!!pN/lb2Q6xjV Mon Oct 15 09:14:05 2012 No.6315045

>>6315023
I read the whole thing and I'm not seeing any "retarded feminism" here. My mother was smart enough to teach me that you don't ask women about their age, their weight, or their measurements. It's fucking rude.

And asking a girl you don't know to smack your ass is downright creepy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 09:34:56 2012 No.6315070 How... fucking rude of them. I'm glad she said something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 09:41:58 2012 No.6315081 Oh wow, yeah I don't blame her for going off on them. What a bunch of morons.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 09:47:58 2012 No.6315084

Same old, same old.
>almost all female comic book characters are sexy for obvious reasons
>male comic book fans whine and complain whenever anyone wants to change/changes this, like removing Power Girl's cleavage-window
>any female comic book fans who want to cosplay characters they admire and identify with, and do it accurately, are "asking for it"
But good on her for standing up for herself. If there's one thing women need to do more, it's speak up AS IT HAPPENS. I know it's easier said than done in the heat of the moment, but moving on with your night and making some blog post about it three weeks later won't get you anything but e-hugs and gives naysayers something to attack, the ol' "if it bothered you so much you wouldn't have put it off for so long" mantra. Most of the time these sacks of shit'll be too flabbergasted to say something, they might call you a "dumb bitch" or some such but you'll know it's meek vindictiveness and it's much better than being subjected to prolonged harassment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 09:47:58 2012 No.6315086 Good for her. I'm not much of a Social Justicefag, but that guy was seriously out of line, and she gave him a chance to correct himself without causing an awkward situation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 09:55:00 2012 No.6315094 thought this was relevant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbrgNxqoXYo Does this happen a lot at conventions? If so yes, more women need to speak up.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:07:00 2012 No.6315104

I thought she handled herself well - or atleast according to what she wrote - but I think you need to take the context (comic con), the costume (provocative/sexy, for whatever reason) and the cosplayer (attractive) into account.

I think from what I read between the lines is that it was some Youtube crew trying to be funny (failing), and the harassment the result of sad misjudgment (happens to men all the time) of the situation by them. Obviously they should've stopped when she clearly told them to stop. It's possible that her rejection caused humiliation to the interviewer, who decided to double down (goaded by the other guys), OR it's possible the interviewer apart from being a man was also autistic (more probable in conventions).

However, even though I interpret the situation as having been perhaps more pathetic than threatening, sexual harassment does happen and it can feel demeaning and threatening to women. But as a guy, I have to note that most guys aren't like that at all, and even those who manage to offend women usually don't mean anything bad. We're for the most part clumsy, inexperienced if we're young, and horny (as God intended) which inevitably leads to conflict. This is why I think there should be clear code of conduct and rules as to what is appropriate behaviour (harmless flirting/taking pictures) and what is not (inappropriate suggestions/groping).

I think it's good that she came out with it. I wish the idiots in question would fess up and apologize.

>>	Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 10:11:00 2012 No.6315107 File: 15 KB, 121x108, 3453453452345345.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Men being assholes to girls in costumes Oh wait >Men being assholes This is news how?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:20:30 2012 No.6315117 >>6315107 The news is that the girl reacted!

>>	Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Mon Oct 15 10:21:30 2012 No.6315120 >>6315107 >sexism

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:27:04 2012 No.6315127

>>6315094

>can I motorboat you
>yes

why are some women such sluts

really you should be getting mad at these women; its because of them that desperate assholes try their shit on all good looking women hoping to get lucky

and also because desperate assholes are desperate assholes

at the end of the day im flummoxed as to whether this is a societal problem or an exceptional problem pertaining to just the few

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:33:33 2012 No.6315135

>>6315127
>im flummoxed as to whether this is a societal problem or an exceptional problem pertaining to just the few

Both. It's perversion of the "normal" code of conduct where males take the initiative. But it is encouraged by the society and also women. Women reward aggressive behaviour. The line between aggressive and predatory can get a bit thin and it's more probable that the line is crossed more often by a minority.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:44:52 2012 No.6315159

dumb feminist bitch. if she really didn't want to attract sexual attention then she shouldn't have dressed so sexually. BUT ITS COSPLAY ITS NOT HER FAULT THE CHARACTERS ARE SO SEXY. hey you, shut the fuck up there are a LOT of ways to make catwomen look not so revealing like i dont know, how bout a body suit that doesnt expose your msassive tits? any women should know that men like pretty girls and tits. If you're a pretty girl ad got nice tits guys are gonna go up to you a lot more and comment on your tits. simple as that. you should expect it and don't get offended(you are actually DECIDING to get offended). just play along and don't be a bitch. embrace your sexiness and embrace the attention it attracts instead of deciding to get offended and being a bitch. if a sexy (pic related) went to a con as thor for example don't you think girls would be ALL over him and making sexy/flirty comments? OF COURSE THEY WILL. How ridiculous would it be for this man to act all offended and walk away with a scowl on his face?

tl;dr stop being a double standard bitch

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:46:22 2012 No.6315163 >>6315159 0/10

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 10:46:22 2012 No.6315164
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>>6315117
Oho point taken ma'am

>>6315120
I don't mean to be sexist, I am just saying that it is a shame ladies need to learn to "speak up for themselves" and "have attitude" when the problem really is that men are fucking assholes to them and can't control themselves. If men had their shit together, women wouldn't have to learn to handle these situations. This sort of stuff is not okay and you can't just put a woman into this kind of situation and be like, "Oh well she needs to handle that she has tits after all".
On a related note:
No sort of clothing excuses that. Even if she were to run around in a bikini, if you call that "asking for it" it just means you think men are unable to control yourself and tbh you should feel offended as a man when people say stuff like that: they imply that you are all naturally rapists with no selfcontrol whatsoever.

[/rant no one asked for but i have pent up frustrations]

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:47:22 2012 No.6315168

>>6315127
>>A couple women don't care about degrading things happening to them.
>>They are the reason all men think that's okay, hate those sluts, men can't help it...

Stop. Yes, assholes are assholes, but you are two steps away from an 'asking for it' argument.

As a woman who started getting honked at by passing cars when I was 12 (walking home from school, with a backpack, wearing jeans and a t-shirt), I say there really is no excuse; it's a societal problem. Women get two choices, generally: be the girl who lets it happen, or the bitch who can't have a good time. People need to take responsibility for their own behavior. One person acting poorly is not an excuse for others to join in, nor should it be seen as an invitation for further rude actions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:47:52 2012 No.6315171 >>6315159 >>6315161 No because hes 5'4 and his face looks like a chimpanzee.

>>	Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 10:49:22 2012 No.6315176 File: 12 KB, 76x131, 23456789756432.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6315168 I like you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:49:52 2012 No.6315178 >>6315171 hey man let's not get into this, tinytrip is the first person i thought of and his body is well proportioned.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:50:53 2012 No.6315184 >>6315168 >>6315164 What these 2 said.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:51:22 2012 No.6315185 >>6315168 >As a woman who started getting honked at by passing cars when I was 12 (walking home from school, with a backpack, wearing jeans and a t-shirt) Christ, really? That's fucking creepy.

Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Mon Oct 15 10:52:52 2012 No.6315190

>>6315164
Yeah I didn't mean to have the standard "nice guy" attitude ("Bloo bloo I'm a nice guy why don't women liiike meeee") and shit like that, but not ALL guys are total dicks. At least not all the time. But one bad apple spoils the bunch I guess. You are right though, no one should have to put up with that bullshit and she was absolutely right to tell him to fuck off.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:53:22 2012 No.6315192

>>6315164
>Even if she were to run around in a bikini, if you call that "asking for it" it just means you think men are unable to control yourself and tbh you should feel offended as a man when people say stuff like that: they imply that you are all naturally rapists with no selfcontrol whatsoever.
As a man, thank you. This is honestly my opinion and it legitimately does piss me off when people put forth that argument.

I'm sorry, I am not a rapist, will you shitheads please stop making me look bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:53:22 2012 No.6315193 >>6315185 It happens a lot. Happened to me, too. Lots of dirty, horny Mexicans where I grew up.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:53:52 2012 No.6315194

>>6315159
I agree with this to a certain extent. Of course if you're dressing in a revealing outfit YOU WANT SEXUAL ATTENTION AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT. There is no denying that. Posted girl was dumb and stupid to complain and "make ugly faces" when guys asked to pose with her and made a huge deal out of her tits - that's expected and they are not invading her privacy or personal space.

But the "interviewing" guys? They were downright humiliating her. Making her uncomfortable and not giving a fuck about it because of this mentality you just expressed.

There is a fine line between complimenting someone/giving them sexual attention and groping and invading her personal space (which is wrong, no matter how much you think she was "asking for it").

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:53:52 2012 No.6315195

>>6315168
I hate this sort of sentiment. You act as if 'all women' act in the same way, are treated the same way, and are completely innocent.

You do forget that there are those of us who create the stereotype. There are those of us who make themselves the slut, or the prude bitch, and there are those of us who are neither, aren't treated as a sex object and are just people.

There is no excuse, obviously for men, women, or anyone stereotyping people, acting poorly, or perverting someone in an uncomfortable manner, but we forget that it's not just society, media and 'men' who make other men act this way, it is indeed women as well. Like I said not all, obviously, but there are some, and they are making all other women look bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:54:22 2012 No.6315198 File: 23 KB, 287x229, 1349266485056.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6315164 >Implying only men grope and act inappropriately around sexually attractive members of the opposite gender

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:55:17 2012 No.6315201 >>6315193 Y-yeah, me too! Bloody MEN honking at me when I was 6 years old. A-and construction workers wolf whistling wherever I walked

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:56:49 2012 No.6315208 >>6315201 /fit/ pls go.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:56:49 2012 No.6315210 >>6315195 But you're making a false dichotomy. You're saying it's absolutely one or the other when that isn't true at all. There are always shades of grey and every person is different.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 10:57:19 2012 No.6315212
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>>6315185
Clothing does not even matter in those situations, my female friend was hit on by a really gross creeper in a train at 8 pm, so it wasn't even that late. She was wearing a black hoodie zipped up all the way and leggings underneath her skirt. "Wearing the wrong clothes" is a poor ass excuse men make up to make women look like sluts. And if it is about the age, some girls look like 16 when they are 12, and they should not have to be ashamed of their looks or have to endure whistling and honking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:58:20 2012 No.6315217 >>6315159 kinda sorta agree really not going to say anything more, as that will just fuel more flames

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:58:49 2012 No.6315218 >>6315198 I have to say, women can be just as terrible around men as men can be around women. Been to ladies night at a strip club or any club where there are male entertainers? Yeah...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:58:49 2012 No.6315219 >>6315094 Everything about this was disgusting, how was this guy not kicked out?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:58:49 2012 No.6315220 >>6315212 by the way, Christ how many of those hiimdaisy reaction images do you have?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:59:49 2012 No.6315227

>>6315212
I was mostly referring to the fact that she was a fucking twelve-year-old.

I at least am not attracted to girls who are significantly younger than me. I would hope most other adults are the same way.

There's a difference between getting attention (wanted or unwanted) from people your own age and from people who are way older than you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:00:49 2012 No.6315230 >>6315159 >>6315159 >>6315159 >>6315159

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:01:50 2012 No.6315234 >>6315159 There's a difference between liking sexy women in sexy cosplay and being a complete and total fucking creeper and making the pretty lady uncomfortable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:01:50 2012 No.6315235 >>6315212 YUP AGREED THROW ALL MEN IN JAIL

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:02:32 2012 No.6315239 >>6315235 >implying all men wolf-whistle at twelve-year-olds >implying all men wolf-whistle at all

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 11:04:00 2012 No.6315249
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>>6315190
>>6315192
I realize not all guys are total dicks, but as a woman you have to assume a strange man is dangerous until proven otherwise.
There is an article I really like about that topic: http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80
%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

>>6315198
I didn't mean to imply that. I realize rape and abuse and acting inappropriately can happen to anyone, of any gender. But at the same time, you have to agree that the vast majority of attacks are men attacking women. Verbally and nonverbally.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:05:00 2012 No.6315252

>>6315234

Kinda sorta agree with this too.

Heres what I agree with:

The guy was inappropriate.
She did the right thing.

She should have expected this sort of thing to happen considering the circumstances, but it still doesnt make the man's behavior any less inappropriate- only that inappropriate behavior should have been expected.

None of this is an accurate reflection on society or can be extrapolated to explain the behaviour of men or women at large.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:06:00 2012 No.6315256 >>6315239 AGREED THROW ALL WOLF WHISTLERS IN JAIL

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:08:00 2012 No.6315261 >>6315249 >>6315192 here I think you may have misinterpreted what I was getting at. I'm not angy at the women, I'm angry that there are enough men out there who act like this that women have to make these sort of assumptions at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:09:30 2012 No.6315263 >>6315256 Why do I keep responding to trolls

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 11:11:02 2012 No.6315271
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>>6315252
>She should have expected this sort of thing to happen considering the circumstances
Haha, no.
I might be repeating myself here, but no way of dressing, no outfit, no cleavage, makes this kind of reaction okay. And no one should have to "expect" it. I know we live in that sort of society, but instead of teaching women to cover up and behave in certain ways to avoid being approached like that, how about we teach men instead to act politely and not like fucking assholes towards women?
Again, not looking at the actual gentlemen here, we are all sitting in this boat together. There are lots of men who can perfectly behave just like there are lots of women who aren't sluts. Deal? Deal.

>>	Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Mon Oct 15 11:11:32 2012 No.6315268 >>6315263 Masochism

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:12:02 2012 No.6315274

>>6315159

There's a difference between making a pass/being flirty and being like "SMACK MY ASS, WHAT'S YOUR TIT SIZE?"

What is it with cons and making guys think that it's an area for them to be complete sleazeballs in?

A woman wears a low cut top or a short skirt in the everyday world and yeah, some people might stare and she might get hit on a few times, but at cons she has to be careful not to be groped or verbally harassed!

I myself was wearing a tight hero suit at my last con and walking there on a busy street, I got a few catcalls and nothing else, but in the con so many guys would just come up and stare at my boobs or would ask for a picure and grab my ass while we were posing for the camera. Dear lord.

I've noticed a pattern on the type of guy it is though. It's the older 'real comic nerd' guy. Just social enough to be socially awkward and often goes to extreme insulting sarcasm to seem funny. Probably thinks Mallrats is the best movie ever.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:13:06 2012 No.6315278

>>6315271
Expect != tolerate, or accept.

Just means that it happening was probable. Not that it was acceptable, tolerable, or any of that. Just that creepy shitheads gonna be creepy shitheads and you call em out when they do it.

I do agree with the focus being on women taking preventative measures is wrongheaded and that we should be putting at least as much focus on men not being said creepy shitheads in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:14:35 2012 No.6315279 >>6315210 The person I was responding to said that exact thing, that women get 2 choices, implying all men are the same. I feel like there are 2 kinds of women. Those who hate men. Those who hate women for making men think we all hate them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:15:06 2012 No.6315284 >>6315274 Because cons are filled with social outcasts that probably have never seen a woman up close before. People don't know that sort of thing is wrong.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 11:15:06 2012 No.6315286
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>>6315261
No I got that! I am just as angry and you have every right to be pissed at other men behaving like shit. You don't deserve to be grouped with them, and I am sorry that it is like that. I linked the article because I really like it, and I think it is really helpful.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:16:35 2012 No.6315288

>>6315274
Conventions are places where complete social maladjusts can gather together with enough other complete social maladjusts that their misbehaviour looks normal enough to be acceptable.

There aren't enough normal people there to judge them for completely failing to grasp basic respect for other people and rudimentary social decorum.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:17:35 2012 No.6315292

>>6315271

>I might be repeating myself here, but no way of dressing, no outfit, no cleavage, makes this kind of reaction okay.

But thats what I said.

I said:

>but it still doesnt make the man's behavior any less inappropriate

I mean that it should be expected not in the sense that it is appropriate, but that is merely a realistic expectation.

As much as we would WANT the ideal of not needing to pre-empt this sort of behavior, it is incredibly unrealistic, naive, childish, idealistic etc etc to NOT expect it.

Its just the reality of the world, Im not taking a stance- merely stating whats up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:18:37 2012 No.6315299 >>6315292 Again, "something one should expect" does not necessitate that that thing is either acceptable or tolerable. Merely that it is likely.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 11:18:37 2012 No.6315300
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>>6315278
I totally agree. But saying that "she should have seen it coming" or "she should have expected it" just sounds like pushing the blame on the girl. Like she is not allowed to complain because of her looks.

>RE:RE:RE:RE: She asked for it bullshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:20:37 2012 No.6315306 >>6315299 B-but thats exactly the point I was trying to repeat!!!! Again!!! Its like im back on stage having an actual debate!

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:21:06 2012 No.6315310

>>6315300
This is why we are repeatedly stating that "should be expected" means solely that it's likely and unsurprising, and doesn't imply anything else.

Absolutely it's not her fault, or tolerable, or acceptable. It's kind of sad that the default response is to read that into it, but I guess enough people DO mean that when they say that it's to be expected that it's become the default.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:21:06 2012 No.6315313

I cosplayed my first somewhat-skimpy outfit at NYCC this year, and wish I had called some guys out.

In the past, I've dealt with awkward lonely nerds of both genders hitting on me (I usually cosplay feminine anime guys, so I'm a target for everyone) but it didn't compare to the blatant sexual creepiness that happened once I showed a bit of midriff.

I don't mind people expressing their attraction to me, or making jokes about gaudy character designs, but don't be a fucking creep about it, because no one wins. It annoys the ladies, and leaves the guys ever still "forever alone".

I also got mildly annoyed at the creepy guys who didn't even know what series I was from. My outfit was a bit simple, so it's not like they were in awe over my cosplay skills or character design. I guess they just wanted to get photographic evidence of hugging a lady showing off her tummy?

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 11:21:06 2012 No.6315314
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>>6315292
>>6315299
Yep, I misunderstood that expression. At the same time: I just WISH she wouldn't have to expect it. I wish we lived in a world where she wouldn't have to see it coming a mile away.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:21:06 2012 No.6315315 >>6315306 I was reinforcing your point/rewording your point, not disagreeing with you. I was attempting to provide support for your argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:22:06 2012 No.6315319 >>6315314 Well, yeah. I'm pretty sure everyone does. Creepy shitheads gonna be creepy shitheads, though, and it isn't gonna stop until we stop tolerating their shit rather than putting all the onus on the victims rather than the perpetrators.

ai-honey !eEQ3LJoZmM Mon Oct 15 11:23:06 2012 No.6315320

>>6315292
Just because you expect something doesn't mean you should accept it.

This girl doesn't seem deluded and was probably expecting some negative attention, clearly she got more than she was happy with. There's no reason why she had to just take it lying down though, so commendations on her for standing up for herself.

>>	Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Mon Oct 15 11:23:06 2012 No.6315323 >>6315314 And I wish everyone would smile more and people wouldn't be so sad. But the world sucks sometimes.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 11:24:06 2012 No.6315325
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>>6315292
>>6315299
>>6315306
>>6315310
>>6315315
Okay we all agree with each other here! So there is no need to try and convince each other of things we are already convinced of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:24:06 2012 No.6315326 >>6315320 >Just because you expect something doesn't mean you should accept it. Literally everyone in the thread has been saying this. I am pretty sure we have reached consensus on this point.

>>	Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Mon Oct 15 11:25:06 2012 No.6315330 >>6315325 But I still need more convincing to be convinced with my convictions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:25:06 2012 No.6315331 >>6315325 Consensus reached! Good job everybody, break for lunch and we'll meet back here in an hour.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:26:08 2012 No.6315334 >>6315326 I disagree. To be expected is only discussing the probability of the occurrence of an event. It does not at all relate to the moral acceptability of the event.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:27:08 2012 No.6315339 >>6315334 That's literally what I just said in the post you quoted. You are disagreeing with me and then restating my point.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 11:27:38 2012 No.6315336
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>>6315319
>...and it isn't gonna stop until we stop tolerating their shit rather than putting all the onus on the victims rather than the perpetrators.
Yes, and exactly here is where we need to start working in this society. Wish I knew a way to do that though.

>>6315323
The world sucks sometimes but I don't have to accept that, I can keep being a dreamer of a slightly better world, and that is absolutely what I am going to do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:28:38 2012 No.6315340 >>6315314 Yeah well, its the world we live in - at least for now. Dont we all wish for the day where we didnt have to wear our bear-kicking booties whenever we went elk-hunting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:29:11 2012 No.6315350 >>6315339 Well no, you highlighted in greentext the point that I would be in agreement with, so I disagree with your disagreement of the greentext.

ai-honey !eEQ3LJoZmM Mon Oct 15 11:30:41 2012 No.6315353

>>6315326
Oh I know, I did read the thread. I was just putting it into simpler terms. The second part was not directed at the anon especially.

But yeah. Social change doesn't happen if people just put up with crummy behaviour. It'll take a while for people to truly get out of the current negative mindset (that it's okay to objectify women in costume), but it's not impossible.

Of course it doesn't help that a few women play up to the trope. I do feel some sympathy for guys sometimes, it must be a bit confusing. Still, the guy in this story is either a douche or an autist since most other guys would have gotten the point a lot earlier on in the story.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 11:31:11 2012 No.6315359
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I can feel the entire thread agreeing with each other, prowling, waiting for a lone misogynist to stumble into this thread and disagree with us. And in that moment, the hunt will begin.

>>	Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Mon Oct 15 11:32:11 2012 No.6315365 >>6315336 What if we just like... made a giant drum circle maaaan... and it kept growing until like... everyone was in it.

>>	ai-honey !eEQ3LJoZmM Mon Oct 15 11:32:11 2012 No.6315368 >>6315339 >>6315350 Oh no, what did I do. ;__; >>6315359 Haha, give it time. /r9k will get here eventually.

>>	Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 11:33:11 2012 No.6315372 File: 30 KB, 136x171, 243467543235.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6315365 You are just saying that because I went to a Waldorf School

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:33:41 2012 No.6315371

>>6315300
Right? I never got this mentality. Are we only allowed to voice our displeasure about things that are a complete and utter surprise? Plus, it's not even like this is some kind of inevitable natural phenomenon, like getting caught in the rain or getting sand between your toes at the beach. It's a purely cultural thing! It's something we can change, provided we don't just throw up our hands and go "WHELP, should've expected that!". Creepy men aren't unpredictable wild animals, they are human beings exhibiting socially unacceptable behaviour. We need to comment on this shit so that people like him stop thinking this shit is okay. All the kudos to this lady.

So, is this a misogyny troll thread yet? I'm not sure if I want to risk reading it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:34:11 2012 No.6315377 >>6315359 Actually, Im a misogynist myself. But its clear in this case that the man was overstepping his boundaries; both as an interviewer and as a human being living in a civilized modern society.

>>	Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Mon Oct 15 11:35:01 2012 No.6315379 >>6315372 You're right. I totally knew that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:36:00 2012 No.6315383 >>6315372 The only thing I know about Waldorf is Waldorf salad

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:40:00 2012 No.6315390 File: 157 KB, 472x632, WLTj0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Deep down she loves being complimented on her looks Deep down in that sick, dark part of every woman that I love to see I will find you all

Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Mon Oct 15 11:41:00 2012 No.6315391

>>6315372
P.S. Arcana Thyme, as a fellow Persona fan, and someone whose opinion I'm starting to respect, check my post on the "recomend a cosplay" thread if you have time, tell me what you think. Sage for off-topic and existential shame.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 11:41:00 2012 No.6315392
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>>6315368
You hear that? It is the sound of feminists chomping at the bit.

>>6315371
Well, usually it goes like this:
>1: Someone acted in a completely unacceptable way towards me
>2: Were you wearing something skimpy?
>1: Well, yeah, but it was still completely creepy and gross, and I did say that I di-
>2: Wait, but if you wore something skimpy, surely you must have seen that coming!
>1: I did see it coming, but that does not make it acceptabl-
>2: If you saw it coming, you should not have dressed like that. You could have 100% prevented this sort of behaviour by dressing appropriately.

Aaaand then we are back to the whole dumb idea of women having to dress in a way that prevents creepy behaviour and the whole circle of dumbshit opinions start again. Because: if women didn't dress that way in the first place, CLEARLY provoking the men, the poor men wouldn't have to act like that. So, OBVIOUSLY the men are the victims of the wicked witches and their seductive bodies or some shit THE PUNCHLINE IS THAT THERE ARE DUMB SHITS WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS OK

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:42:03 2012 No.6315393 >>6315359 >>6315372 I read all of your posts in the voice of the character you post with and that makes them 200% more entertaining. As avatarfags go, you're pretty cool.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 11:46:02 2012 No.6315404
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>>6315377
While I can't quite agree with your misogyny, I respect you for being sensible and civilized. Kudos.

>>6315383
Waldorf schools are private schools that have certain alternative teaching methods that include learning to dance your name (google: eurhythmy) and having lots of art classes.

>>6315391
Gonna check it out right away!

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:53:34 2012 No.6315415

>>6315404
>While I can't quite agree with your misogyny, I respect you for being sensible and civilized. Kudos.

Well thats a little patronizing.

I get the feeling that you would otherwise just assume a misogynist to be insensible and uncivilized?

One's likes, dislikes or hatred for anything in particular has no bearing on ones sensibility or decorum.

I would advise you to refrain from generalizing an entire group of people into stereotypes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:54:34 2012 No.6315416 >>6315415 Thank you! So so so much! You're the smartest person ITT. Seriously!

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 12:00:38 2012 No.6315425
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>>6315415
Hmm. You don't want me to generalize misogynists, but as a misogynist, aren't you generalizing women?
And I am sorry that my reply seemed patronizing. I met people who labeled themselves misogynists before, and they were all assholes to me just because I am female and basically kept talking about how all women are sluts and stuff. They were condescending and uncivilized, so it makes me hopeful and positively surprised to see that this is not a general rule, and I don't think I will keep associating misogyny with the dickish attitude those guys had.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:10:39 2012 No.6315442 >>6315425 I assume he identifies as a misogynist because he believes that women are more likely to tend to act "inferior" (slutty, stupid etc.) due to cultural influences and not because of genetics or whatever, or I could be wrong entirely.

>>	Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 12:14:40 2012 No.6315452 File: 26 KB, 127x204, 44363547.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6315442 Yeah, I really hope he replies again, it has been interesting and I would like to keep talking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:15:10 2012 No.6315455 Misogyny = 'disagreeing with a girl'.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:15:41 2012 No.6315456 >>6315415 I get the feeling that you would otherwise just assume a misogynist to be insensible and uncivilized? you're a fucking cunt, end of story

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:16:10 2012 No.6315459

>>6315425
Just because you hate something doesn't mean you have to be a prick about it. I personally am a misanthrope, I really only love/like my husband for the most part, but hate the rest of the population as a whole as well as society. I will say though that there are certain people that I can tolerate and even consider myself to like. Even so, no one would expect me to hate anyone at all, let alone everyone.

I feel as though things like misandry and misogyny fall in to the same area as misanthropy and are more are about general hate, dislike or untrust, rather than specific hate. Whether it stems from stereotypes, personal preferences, trauma or anything similar is a huge factor as to how any specific person will act. So, while there are some people who will act like a women-hating sexist pig, there are others who you wouldn't be able to guess unless you were told.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 12:18:40 2012 No.6315463
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>>6315455
I don't know a lot about misogyny. As mentioned before, the only "misogynists" (self-proclaimed) I met in my life were just using that word to be assholes towards women. Usually they'd bring it up in a discussion of why they don't have girlfriends ("Because all women are sluts and I don't want to touch them ewww but I do would like to have a girlfriend it is just that everyones a whore") and were generally dicks. Not the kind of person you can have a rational conversation with.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 12:22:10 2012 No.6315475
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>>6315456
You kiss your mom with that mouth?

>>6315459
I see. In that case, I apologize for generalizing on that matter, it was out of line of me, but now I know better. In the past, I never really looked into the subject or misanthropy, misandry and misogyny. I wrongly assumed that it is somewhat similar to just plain hatred, or sexism.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:25:10 2012 No.6315481

>>6315425

>aren't you generalizing women?

Misogyny is merely a general hatred for women, or the opinion that men in general are better than women in general. It is merely the categorization of a general hatred, not a generalization of women altogether.

For example, I may hate the color purple in general- but at the same time I may be of opinion that some things do look better in purple, as opposed to being of opinion that everything associated with purple is by default worse. I would not assume that everything in purple looks bad until the specific article is placed before me and considered upon an individual basis. Although I still do hate purple in general.

But mine is not so much hatred as it is just the opinion that men are better than women- though not that all men are better than all women. There is no other way for me to be a gentleman and not contradict myself than to admit to be a misogynist.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 12:30:41 2012 No.6315495
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>>6315481
Hmm, I think I get it. Again, sorry for my wrong assumptions, I didn't mean to step on anyones toes here, I was just not educated on the subject at all. Thanks for the explanations, guys.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:32:12 2012 No.6315499 >>6315463 The modern definition of misogyny is what I said.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:32:41 2012 No.6315498

>>6315475
For a large part of people it is hatred or sexism, be it for a specific person or just in general. However there are any number of people who simply define either as part of either the matriarchal or patriarchal ideology respectively. In this case it has more to do with the role of gender in ones idealized society, though, to many people this type of thinking can still be offensive.

I personally can understand the attitude towards either misogynists or misandrists as well as the struggle that women face in trying to create equality in society. I do, however, disagree with anyone who wants to raise one gender over another for any reason. I feel much of the hate for feminists and women in general is the fear that women are trying to create a matriarchal rather than just push for equality.

I feel much hate for similar issues such as race, sexual orientation and the like also create similar feelings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:34:41 2012 No.6315505 Just stopping in to say, someone in this thread need to stop being so fucking wordy. I'm pretty sure it's the same person. It's 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:35:41 2012 No.6315508 >>6315498 *matriarchal society Sorry for the book by the way. I'm just keen on issues like this because my feelings towards people also harbor a sense of fascination for these types of things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:36:41 2012 No.6315514 >>6315505 Are you implying that 4chan is full of ignorant fucks who can't spell or type correct, coherent sentences?

Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Mon Oct 15 12:38:11 2012 No.6315527

>>6315508
It's just rare to see a standpoint like yours so well voiced and logical. I understand where you're coming from and I think that culture (or at least culture where I come from) tends to encourage women to act poorly, but I personally don't see that as a reason to judge them ahead of time.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 12:38:41 2012 No.6315524
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>>6315498
Misogyny and Misandry is sort of a complicated topic imho. I am more of an equalist myself, but I'd be lying if I said that I don't harbour any hatred for people based on gender, gender roles or other things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:43:11 2012 No.6315540 File: 80 KB, 303x217, your face when.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6315505

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:43:11 2012 No.6315541 >>6315524 Hey, are you that cute girl or that ugly sweaty forheaded oldfag that no one likes other than Maguma? I'm always confusing.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 12:44:13 2012 No.6315549
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>>6315527
Agreed.

>>6315514
I think he was more surprised that this thread has over 100 replies of actual discussion that doesn't involve people mindlessly calling each other faggots and presenting statements without reasoning as it is this website's standart.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:48:13 2012 No.6315560

>>6315527
Thank you for the compliment. I do also understand how backwards and discriminatory that sort of mindset may seem, but I think society really promotes the 'shoot first ask questions later' type of thinking, and not just in gender related issues. Many things regarding age, outer appearance and implied intelligence are treated the same way on a day to day basis but are much of the time overlooked.

It is also completely understandable to be off-put or even saddened by someone who may pre-judge someone based on very superficial factors as well, but like I said before, it's about how you present yourself.

If you act like an asshole, prevent yourself as a misogynist, and show visible hostility and hate towards a woman you are doing nothing but making yourself look like a sexist idiot.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 12:48:43 2012 No.6315563
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>>6315541
I never posted a picture of my face here, wouldn't consider myself an oldfag either (2 years maybe? most spent on /a/ and /x/) and I don't know of any such feelings from Maguma's side. Neither, I guess. Sage because blatantly off-topic.

Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Mon Oct 15 12:50:13 2012 No.6315569

>>6315560
I'm tempted to judge first as well, I'm a very logical person and I'm always thinking statistically. e.g. "What are the odds that this girl is just another person raised to think she's a princess and acts like a spoiled brat because of it." Granted I'm in college so those types are much more common here than in the real world.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:50:13 2012 No.6315570 >>6315560 **present. Well I am full of silly errors today. Anyways, thanks for this discussion. It's always interesting to get insight like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:54:13 2012 No.6315575 >>6315563 Well are you cute or not?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:54:13 2012 No.6315577

this shit is precisely why I give props to any woman who attends one of these things in a 'sexy' outfit and why I don't blame any of them for raging and getting the fuck out. Nothing wrong with looking hot. Everything wrong with how nerds react to it.

Thanks and good for you for looking so gorgeous, ladies. Sorry that means you've got to endure having a shitty time.

ai-honey !eEQ3LJoZmM Mon Oct 15 12:54:13 2012 No.6315579

>>6315481
Can I ask you the event (or series of) that made you feel this way?

I feel a little sad that you feel this way, but I don't judge you for it.

It seems a little hard for me to comprehend holding a certain dislike for any demographic and only being swayed to positive after they've proved themselves.

But then I think of chavs and understand slightly better. Still, an entire gender are far more varied than a subcluture, so it's still a bit mind boggling.

>>6315527
I'm not really sure that women are encouraged in any way to behave more poorly than men. As far as I see it both genders are fairly equal in their potential short comings..

>>	Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 12:57:43 2012 No.6315589 File: 16 KB, 113x86, 23234234234.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6315575 I'm fabulous

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:58:13 2012 No.6315590 >>6315589 Fat?

>>	Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 12:59:13 2012 No.6315593 File: 4 KB, 54x48, 234567890.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6315590 Underweight, trying to gain actually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:01:16 2012 No.6315600 >>6315593 Post pic, so I can fap.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:01:16 2012 No.6315603 >>6315600 And we're hitting bottom. We had a good run, folks.

>>	Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 13:02:16 2012 No.6315604 File: 82 KB, 352x175, 46456747574574.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6315600

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:03:16 2012 No.6315606 >>6315603 Go back to /r9k/ Beta male misogynist woman hater virgin neckbeard.

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 13:04:46 2012 No.6315610
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>>6315603
I am sorry for being part of this derailment, though the thread related discussions seems to have died down. Unless someone wants to revive it? It was a really pleasant discussion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:05:17 2012 No.6315613 >>6315219 He was. He's banned from attending Eurogamer ever again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:07:46 2012 No.6315618 >>6315610 I think we killed it right around the time everyone started agreeing with each other. Conversations kind of end once consensus is reached.

>>	Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Mon Oct 15 13:10:30 2012 No.6315632 File: 13 KB, 78x121, 3423453454.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6315618 Yeah but wait... Does this mean this was... A successful conversation?! I am totally overwhelmed over here right now. Anyone got stuff to talk about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:11:00 2012 No.6315637 >>6315632 Yes. We succeeded at conversing. On 4chan, that is a pretty momentous thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:24:44 2012 No.6315669 >>6315094 >>6315219 What the fuck is wrong with y'all? I thought it was hilarious, especially the second vid when he made the same in public. Lol'd hard as hell. I think you're just biased because he's black and not some 'handsome white swagger'.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:25:12 2012 No.6315672 >>6315669 congratulations on maintaining your virginity for another ten years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:28:12 2012 No.6315681 File: 21 KB, 300x300, everyone is gettin mad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6315672 >whiteboy racist mangina virgin nice guy detected >or just white woman which is natural racism like Hitler

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:29:12 2012 No.6315686 Are we sure it wasn't someone like Kassem G or that nerdy ginger dude? If it was then she made a fool out of herself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:32:15 2012 No.6315703 File: 112 KB, 640x960, 7686787.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The OP picture makes it look like her boobs were hanging out .... but in person It's actually pretty decent compared to how the character is actually drawn out

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:33:46 2012 No.6315704

>>6315672
Actually, virgin males are the most likely to dislike it, since they're jealous of the confident man who gets to, not only *touch* but also *touch the breasts* of a woman. See youtube comments, that heavymetal-whatever that's arguing that the girls disliked being sexualized like that when in actuality the blond with the huge boobs won a contest just to have her boobs fondled like that.

>>	sage sage Mon Oct 15 14:50:59 2012 No.6315944 >>6315549 ...What part of this thread isn't mindless or name calling? Protip: >ctrl+F "dumb" "feminist" "bitch" "slut" Using elevated language to do it doesn't make it any less slurry. Sage because this thread is shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:27:14 2012 No.6316036 >>6315944 r9k go awaii :(

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 17:32:44 2012 No.6316382
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>>6315198
This. I've had plenty of women abusively harass me about my boobs, the same fucking women who now spout this shit. If men aren't doing it, the women are doing it to each other. Look in any fucking boob thread.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 17:53:01 2012 No.6316418
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>Yaoi paddles, tacking and hugging men you don't know, slapping their asses, grabbing their crotches, and other forms of sexually harassment of males are a-ok to women
>HOW DARE YOU ASK A WOMYN ABOUT HER BREASTS

If mental gymnastics were a sport women would dominate it.

And don't bother saying "b-b-b-b-but I don't think those things are ok!" because you clearly do given the fact I have yet to hear a single woman complain about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:10:21 2012 No.6316461 >>6315481 lmao you are such an angry virgin

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:27:04 2012 No.6316501

>>6316461
I may be a virgin, but that doesn't mean I'm angry.

Actually, I'm proud to be a virgin. It just means I'm waiting for the right girl, instead of bending to the whims of society, trying to lose it ASAP to the first girl that allows me to, just because they tell me I should be ashamed for who I am.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:28:04 2012 No.6316505

>>6316418
>>Yaoi paddles, tacking and hugging men you don't know, slapping their asses, grabbing their crotches, and other forms of sexually harassment of males are a-ok to women

People still do this shit at cons, the glomping/hugging, yaoi paddles etc?

If I were a guy, I'd just knee the bitch before getting harassed and I can firmly say that as a female who was taught proper etiquette and manners, I have never done any of those things to guys and don't plan on it either. That's just rude. I want my personal space respected and operate on the assumption that other people expect the same.

Concerning the situation in OP, I'd politely excuse myself from the interview. Those questions are hella awkward for anyone to be asking.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:32:07 2012 No.6316516

>>6316418
>And don't bother saying "b-b-b-b-but I don't think those things are ok!" because you clearly do given the fact I have yet to hear a single woman complain about it.
so okay lemme get this straight
you have clearly talked to EVERY WOMAN IN THE WORLD and NONE OF THEM have complained about this?

You're a moron. I've heard plenty of girls complain about women harassing men, saying that it isn't fair and they have no right to complain about men harassing them if they don't try and stop this. Just because the only women you meet online seem to be vapid whores doesn't mean all women are... just like not all men are as fucking stupid as you are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:34:36 2012 No.6316519 File: 26 KB, 640x480, neckbeard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6316501 VIRGIN AND PROUD!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:36:07 2012 No.6316531 >>6316501 Just dropping in to say, I respect your desicion and think you a better person than average for it.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:36:37 2012 No.6316527

>>6316418
The problem lies with not that the action itself is bad, but how the recipient feels. If you wanna be a slut and let strangers molest you, be our guest. Most men are like that and, as a man myself, that sucks. I wouldn't tolerate some random chick groping me in public.

However, if it makes you feel bad, you should SPEAK UP THEN AND THERE. Not weeks later on a blog online. If more people did that, then maybe we wouldn't have this problem.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:43:07 2012 No.6316558
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>>6316516
I could be reading this wrong but I think he was commenting more on the so little is said on the side of men in this argument.

I like some women think calling guys out with statement big boy or stud is compliment but on the other hand do not realize that it also can offensive or make said person uncomfortable.

But don't mind my mindless bantering..

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:47:40 2012 No.6316570 [DELETED]

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>>6316527
I don't think most men want it I think they just rather not speak up about it.

due to being due how it may change people perception about them.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:48:11 2012 No.6316572

>>6316516
I don't have to talk to every woman to find oine that disagrees. I should be able to find some tumblr cunt bitching about it just as they bitch about when it's done to women.

I haven't, which tells me that out of the millions of women with internet access, not one has a problem with men being sexually harassed by women. In fact, women think it's a complement.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:50:40 2012 No.6316577

>>6316572
you aren't looking hard enough then, there's plenty of people saying that groping isn't right "regardless of gender". It's so easy to find that sort of comment on the internet that I wonder if you're trolling.

or do you need it to SPECIFICALLY say "it's not okay when women grope men" instead of "groping, regardless of gender, is not OK"? Because if that's the case, I'm going to further state that I think you are an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:52:10 2012 No.6316584 >>6316527 To be honest Most guys don't like it unless it someone we know or comfortable with doing that with. Also most guys don't say thing about due to stigmas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:53:10 2012 No.6316587 >>6316584 Fuck stigmas. Say shit. That's the only way things will get better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:55:01 2012 No.6316594 File: 2.03 MB, 300x169, 1349748220289.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6316587 That's the problem thou in most cases. For men and the reason why a lot sexual harassment goes unreported.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:58:01 2012 No.6316607

>>6316577
> there's plenty of people saying that groping isn't right "regardless of gender".

Only as an afterthought, after someone calls them on denying that men are sexually harassed too. They never actually mean it; they always mean groping women isn't right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:58:31 2012 No.6316606 Also sorry English is not my first language. >>6316594 >>6316584 >>6316558

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:01:01 2012 No.6316615 >>6316607 Clearly you are some kind of idiot. Most people do think that sexual harassment is bad in general and don't want to see anybody getting sexually harassed. The victim having a penis doesn't suddenly make them okay with the idea.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:01:32 2012 No.6316613

>>6316607
Dude, I am so fucking jealous of you. It must be AMAZING to have psychic powers that let you read the minds of 1/2 of the globe! I would totally abuse that more than by sitting on 4chan if it were me, but I respect your choices.

Live it up, bro, that's some awesome skill you've got.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:07:04 2012 No.6316627

>>6316613
It's not psychic powers, it's common sense. No one ever brings up male sexual harassment/abuse unless someone challenges them on it.

>>6316615
>The victim having a penis doesn't suddenly make them okay with the idea.

Instead they pretend it never happens, which is what most women think hence why they whine about how men don't have to worry about being raped because men can't be raped.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:13:34 2012 No.6316640

>>6316627
And that's why you educate them. Without being hostile. Most women I've seen having discussions about it have actually been entirely reasonable, unless the guy's going nuts about it and both sides start feeling minimized.

I have actually seen a lot of arguments where both sides insist the other side is implying that male female abuse doesn't matter because female abuse is a problem/female sexual abuse doesn't matter because male abuse is a problem, which is completely retarded. But people tend to get really hostile about gender issues really quickly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:14:27 2012 No.6316643 >>6316640 Basically, try to avoid "YOUR PROBLEM DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE OF MY PROBLEM" from either side, and you generally end up with reasonable discourse.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:17:27 2012 No.6316652
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this dumb bitch wouldn't complain if Hobbes or anyone else associated like Coffee, Didlos or Alpha or whomever the fuck wants to fucking be hard with him walked up to her and told her the same shit.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:20:28 2012 No.6316663
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>>6316643
This I was more or less just explain what someone was trying to say and things seem to have blow up. really wish people would not call each other idiots due to the fact that both are a problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:24:28 2012 No.6316672 >>6316652 >implying hobbes is actually attractive he may be asian, but he's still a butterface like that guy who sells cheap explosives and eats rice

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:27:29 2012 No.6316682 >>6316672 yeah, but im saying anyone with "swagger" who acts hard by doing or being immoral can get away with anything they damn well please.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:36:55 2012 No.6316709

>>6316682
it's true, even though the above were not the best examples.

>hot girl dresses hot
>quiet or physically unattractive man acknowledges this
>"eww what a creep perv rapist"

>hot girl dresses hot
>Jersey Shore bro acknowledges it
>"haha aww it's just harmless fun, what a sweetie"

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 20:23:58 2012 No.6316871
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>I might be repeating myself here, but no way of talking, catcalling, no whistling, makes this kind of clothing okay. And no one should have to "expect" it. I know we live in that sort of society, but instead of teaching men to shut up and behave in certain ways to avoid seeing that, how about we teach women instead to dress conservatively and not like fucking sluts towards men?
Yes.
This is exactly how stupid you sound
If you want to walk around with 3/4th of your boobs exposed, hey, that's cool, we live in a society where that's allowed, just don't get upset when people talk about them. Obviously it's inappropriate if you're wearing a normal t-shirt or formal clothing or something but if you don't like people talking to you about your boobs while you have them exposed you tell them to stop or you walk away so they can continue their conversation in private.
In this situation it's a little less black and white because it's a costume, and since the person wearing the costume wears it for ulterior motives(imitating a character), however, I've looked up some of the canon Black Cat art and although the level of cleavage is different sometimes, most of them depict her suit as closing a little above her chest, so i assume that if she didn't want to show cleavage while remaining accurate, she could have, so it was her own choice to show off 2/3 of her tits simply for the sake of showing her tits.

>tl:dr
if showing off your tits in public is normal then talking about tits in public is normal
deal with it

why am i even responding, you're just going to make me hate you more
i give you a 5/10 for getting me to respond seriously

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:02:50 2012 No.6316981

>>6316652
Did you even read what she wrote. She noted "normal" acknowledgement in her first paragraph and while she wished such things didn't happen, she recognizes it comes with the territory and gets over with.

It's when some creep objectifies her (even if he doesn't realize what he's doing is that) and he doesn't stop after she says something that she has a problem.

Ideally, she should have walked away after the ass comment, but...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:04:20 2012 No.6316988 >>6316871 See >>6315703 You can barely even see her breasts.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:05:20 2012 No.6316996

What I hate the most about this is that the dude assumed that she didn't want to comment not because she was offended he asked but because she was embarassed about her size or something.

Women are inherently different from men. They don't really like comparing tit sizes in public like men compare dick sizes.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:11:23 2012 No.6317024

>>6315016
I think this situation could have been completely different as well if the person was different .. I'm talking about personalities

If this was .. Let's say JNig she probably would have made derp faces and laughed and said "ermargerd yes my boobs are huge it's boob magic!" and that's it ... but this girl here has to make a huge deal about it

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:12:52 2012 No.6317026

>>6316418
What the fuck 90% of weeaboo stories threads are women talking about how some other woman paddled/glomped/was inappropriately creepy to their boyfriend (for a well known example, see the hipster Ariel story). Are you illiterate? Women complain about other women being inappropriate way, way, way more often than men complain about other men being sexual harassers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:19:52 2012 No.6317054 >>6315703 This doesn't look that revealing to me. There's a little hint of cleavage but it's not OMGBOOBSINYOURFACE cleavage.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:21:22 2012 No.6317058

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekqiVbOTBYU

The douchecanoe interviewer in question. He really is a one-trick pony.

Interviewing girl: "SO...YOUR TITS"
Interviewing girl: "YOU DONT HAVE TITS"
Interviewing girl: "LET ME TOUCH YOUR TITS"

I mean really, what kind of interviewer does he aspire to be? Obviously he has no ambition to keep doing to same schtick over and over again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:21:52 2012 No.6317060 >>6317024 What's the chance that this douchebag is part of jnig's fanclub?

>>	яσяι•ϖ• !imymei/tJU Mon Oct 15 21:29:54 2012 No.6317088 >>6317058 Thats usually what his viewers want. He's done that in about every interview. Usually to get a worthy reaction for his views.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:30:15 2012 No.6317090 >>6317058 See but all the other girls just laughed it off or went along with the boob comments .... I think girl in OP just took it way too personal >>6317058 He doesn't seem bad I thought the video was funny

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:34:43 2012 No.6317098 >>6315194 >if you're dressing in a revealing outfit YOU WANT SEXUAL ATTENTION >assumption

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:51:42 2012 No.6317157

>>6315016
I think female cosplayers should have the freedom to be accurate with their costumes. Yeah, a lot of the super heroine costumes are outrageous in the sexual sense, and she should have expected at least one mention of her breasts, but the guy wouldn't get off it. This wasn't an interview about her costume or her love of the fandom, this was them trying to exploit her tits for views on their website.

Power to her.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:53:10 2012 No.6317164

>>6316981
yeah, but let's be fucking realistic here:

if the person was more attractive or in the case of hobbes: a digusting, vile pest, but somehow you can ignore his advances because he's just too damn perfect and asian said the same fucking things, you would giggle and flirt withe guy instead of taking action with someone less desirable.

>Double Standards, bitch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:54:47 2012 No.6317168 >>6317164 The interviewer actually isn't bad looking, and looks like he's from some kind of Asian descent. It didn't have to do with looks, not everyone takes being objectified lying down.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:01:41 2012 No.6317185 >>6317098 >dress in outfit designed to get sexual attention >claim you don't want sexual attention Ok guys, I'm going to go to work in a clown suit but I'm not doing it to be amusing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:07:11 2012 No.6317219 Males should stop blaming women for the reasons as to why they'd treat them sexually inappropriately. How incompetent could you be? Only sheer stupidity could lead to that behavior, and therefore, I think much less of those idiots when they do it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:07:41 2012 No.6317220 Wow, this was a really good thread and I'm glad I read most of that

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:11:13 2012 No.6317233 >>6317220 Well, okay, shit sort of fell apart toward the end. I should have expected that, though.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:25:09 2012 No.6317284

>>6317098
Oh, no, no, yeah, I'm sorry. Of course she just wants to have fun in a convention, walking around while wearing a skin-tight outfit and heels. It's so comfortable after all, and you can do whatever you want that it's not going to show "too much" like a skirt would! And the people who like said character she's cosplaying as aren't mostly men and it's not a sexy outfit in any way.

Of course she didn't pick it to get sexual attention or whatever kind of attention that came from her smoking hot body.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:26:39 2012 No.6317285

Why do people do this?

> Be 14 at a market. Some 40 year old guy approaches me, breathes down my neck and whispers, "Hey gorgeous..." and laughs creepily. I just ran away quickly. I was obviously pubescent, except for the fact that I'm quite tall.

> Had one guy follow me from school to my mum's office. I was so scared. He did this for a couple of weeks, and I'd just hide in there until he eventually left a note and gave up.

> Be 19, walking to my boyfriend's work as he is about to finish up. Some guys walking past and one says, "You could suck my dick anytime." Wat.

> Had numerous encounters with men driving by in cars, some ask us to join them. WTF, no. Refuse, they shout abuse/follow me/threaten me/say awful things. I usually just don't pay them any attention.

> Plenty of occasions with men or even my own male friends groping me, wanting to show me their penises for no apparent reason, coming onto me, etc.

> These experiences are all too common among all my female friends as well.

>>	Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Mon Oct 15 22:30:09 2012 No.6317304 >>6317284 Maybe she just likes dressing up as a character she likes? You know, for fun and not for attention?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:33:09 2012 No.6317312

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/

The problem is you're reading the wrong comics and idolizing the wrong characters.

Shut that shitty industry down. It's a sexualized character. Expected sexualized attention.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:33:09 2012 No.6317319 If the interviewer was talking to a male superhero cosplayer in a skintight suit, I doubt he'd keep asking him how big his dick was.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:38:09 2012 No.6317336 she has no sense for fun and is being bitchy this girl here is doing it right at 2:30, giving her fans what they ask and came for www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=D2BLTfgGdig

>>	Washu !R7sqSH2wmU Mon Oct 15 22:40:41 2012 No.6317339 File: 77 KB, 530x421, washunur.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6317319 >This Guys in tight suits can be attempting to attenion whore just as much as women

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:44:29 2012 No.6317347 >>6317220 Seconding this. It's actually done quite a bit to restore my faith in /cgl/ Now, onto another thread to tear all that faith down again.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:45:59 2012 No.6317352

>>6317319
which is the point I brought up earlier: this shit has a double standard: ugly fat guy says this, he's rightfully called a creep. Cuter guy comes in, say the same shit and goes with it.

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU DO THIS IF YOU WHERE UNCOMFROTABLE WITH THE FIRST GUY! THIS SHIT STOPS! YOUR JUST AS MUCH GUILTY AS THE GUY ASKING YOU THE FUCKING QUESTIONS YOU DUMB WHORE! IT'S NOT THE FUCKING COSTUME YOUR WEARING, IT'S THE FACT THAT YOUR A DUMB FUCKING WHORE!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:46:59 2012 No.6317355 >>6317284 Dude, you're just trying way too hard now. We get it, you feel the need to justify your objectification of her. After all, if she WANTS to be objectified, you don't need to feel bad about it, right?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:47:29 2012 No.6317356

>>6317304
No, no, you're right, of course that's why. As I said, It's a pretty comfortable outfit and very easy to walk around a con so it should be all fun. She just picked the character up because she identifies so much with it.

I'm not calling her a slut or anything but YES you choose a sexualized character it's because you want sexual attention. If you didn't, you wouldn't pick a character that would very obviously bring it.

You see, I'm also not saying WELP SHOULD HAVE EXPECTED THE GROPING AND NOT GONE DRESSED LIKE THAT. I'm just saying that if she did NOT want guys staring at her tits and body and paying attention to them she would not DRAW attention to them. I'm not talking about groping, I'm talking about looking, which she seemed to also have a problem with.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:49:00 2012 No.6317369

>>6317285
I feel like probably all women have some experiences like these at some point or another. Sad by-product of all the societal issues discussed above.

Still, this seems to be ridiculously frequent for you and your friends. Where the fuck do you live? I feel like it's maybe either a local culture thing here. Then again, I'm also originally from a fairly small town, so maybe I'm just not as used to that kind of shit.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:52:59 2012 No.6317374

>>6317352
....k, anyone else thinking he might just be a troll at this point?

If you're not, please, do everyone a load of good and heed this advice: Stay in your basement. Do NOT attempt to get a girlfriend, or even a quick lay. Women are off-limits until you grow the fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 22:54:29 2012 No.6317382 >>6317374 >Women are off-limits until you grow the fuck up. Soooo men are okay then?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:11:51 2012 No.6317436

>>6317382
If you're capable of proper respect for men, sure, go for it. Clearly the respect for women idea is beyond you, though.

You as in whoever was flipping their shit about "[your] all bitches and whores!". Which may be you. Or may not be, we're all anon but the namefags, so I don't fucking know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:14:51 2012 No.6317447 >>6317436 Wasn't me. I've just been lurking around in here.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:17:51 2012 No.6317459

I dunno why people are complaining that only unappealing people get called out for shit just because they are unappealing.

You would not want to be approached by a hambeast weeaboo girl in cat ears who hasn't bathed in days. You wouldn't want to be approached by a neckbeard in a white tank top with a pony plush strapped to his belt. Of course people are selective about who they give their attention to. How silly.

Also, her clothes were not any more revealing than a low-cut shirt.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:20:51 2012 No.6317473

>>6317459
>I dunno why people are complaining that only unappealing people get called out for shit just because they are unappealing.

Because it means you don 't have a problem with people asking your tit sizes. Only who's asking.

So what you mean to say is "it shouldn't be ok for ugly people to sexually harass me", but then it ceases being the fault of the man and becomes your fault for being a hypocritical cunt. And women can't accept responsibility for anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:23:22 2012 No.6317485 >>6317185 >Why can't I just wear a cat suit because I like it, rather than for attention? Honestly, I am not thinking about anyone other than myself when I get dressed int he morning. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:25:00 2012 No.6317494

>>6317436
look, im not going to call her to her face nor will I say it to anyone's face, but it does piss me off that your supporting this double standard. Let me ask you: your dressed as Power Girl and 2 people walk up to you, one of them is a guy in his mid 30s, balding, had a stain on his shirt and his gut is clearly sticking out of his shirt and hasn't bathed in a while. The other is a chiseled abed Adonis attempting to dress like Finn from Adventure time, but clearly he's grown too old for it.

Both of these men ask you about your costume, about your measurements and both ask you to show your tits at them. Mind you, if you do one action, you need to do the same course of action to the other. I.E.: if your friendly and flirt with the Finn cosplayer, you have no fucking choice but to do the same to the creeper. If not, it will prove my point of Double standards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:27:01 2012 No.6317508 >>6317473 >Women can't accept responsibility for anything Ahahaha, wow. Arcana Time, if you'd like to come back now, here's that asshole you were so eagerly waiting for.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:29:01 2012 No.6317519

>>6317369
It pisses me off because for every case of real harassment, there's some dumb bitch that posts this on Facebook/Tumblr/whatever the fuck:

>So I was wearing my MLP shirt at the mall and this guy tried to talk to me and my brother told him he was my boyfriend so he would go away!! Ewww!! +20 likes

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:30:02 2012 No.6317528 >>6317494 Exactly! This. I've had creepy guys do shit like this, some have been attractive and some were... not so much. Either way, they were bothering me and being rude. No ta-tas for them!

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:30:02 2012 No.6317529

>>6317494
If anyone asked me to "show my tits at them" I would be creeped out, no matter how the person looked.

Why do guys cling so desperately do this double standard you say we have? If someone says something rude and inappropriate its still rude and inappropriate regardless of how attractive or unattractive they may be. It's just so .. r9k to think that women actually think like that. Attractive guys can be just as creepy and vile as any other con creeper.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:30:31 2012 No.6317522 >>6317459 >her clothes were not any more revealing than a low-cut shirt. They are skin-tight. Have you ever seen the "LEGGINGS ARE NOT PANTS" campaigns? They are right in most cases - just because it covers your skin doesn't mean it's not "revealing".

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:31:02 2012 No.6317531 >>6317494 >chiseled abed Adonis attempting to dress like Finn from Adventure time, but clearly he's grown too old for it. Nigga has shit taste in cartoons, would not show tits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:34:01 2012 No.6317549 >>6317529 I maybe it's just another part of their pathetic attempts to convince themselves that women are horrible people and that's where all their problems with them come from.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:34:32 2012 No.6317547

>>6317494
People judge other people by their appearance and actions. It's not DOUBLE standards, it's infinity standards. It's very, very logical to judge someone based on their appearance and favoring one over the other - you'll always favor the one you want to gain sympathy from, and not give a fuck about the other since you don't give a fuck about being friends/fucking/having them like you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:36:31 2012 No.6317560 >>6317529 >If anyone asked me to "show my tits at them" I would be creeped out, no matter how the person looked. Most women wouldn't if they were attractive.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:38:01 2012 No.6317568

>>6317547
Also a very good point. It's kind of an instinctual defense mechanism. If someone creeps me the fuck out, whether because of appearance, behavior or random "vibes", I don't really want to be around them, sorry. I'd much rather become acquainted with this other person who doesn't make me want to go hide in a hole somewhere, regardless of whether s/he's good-looking, smells good, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:38:01 2012 No.6317569 >>6317560 (citation needed)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:38:01 2012 No.6317571 >>6317560 >says the basement dweller that hadn't seen a woman in AGES.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:40:01 2012 No.6317583 >>6317560 Your generalization makes it so painfully clear that you have no idea how the female mind works--starting with the fact that you apparently assume all women think alike.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:54:05 2012 No.6317616 >>6317560 Yeah keep telling yourself that.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 23:57:09 2012 No.6317622

>>6317583
Depends on how the other person came across.
A guy that had some modicum of social capability would not be so crass, certainly I'm not, unless they KNOW THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. I have done this, usually after drinks and after both parties have achieved comfortable standing with each other.
On the male harassment side, I can (perhaps fortunately) safely say that no such thing has ever happened to me. My Angry Black Guy Scowl is strong, but I also know exactly what is going thru most women's minds if I approach them for a picture or even a light chat while sitting in a line. Tbh, it makes cons sorta suck because I need to tread fucking lightly in all ways lest a unpleasant passing encounter land me kicked out of the con or worse.
But that's here nor there, so I'll stop my bellyaching.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 02:06:15 2012 No.6317985 It's stuff like this that makes me worried about going to conventions frankly. I am very tiny so if someone does something like this there's not much I can do except say quietly "Hey please don't do that" :\|

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 02:06:45 2012 No.6317983

>>6317529
what if it was that bitch ass Hobbes or Coffee or Dildos? I bet shits for dollars you'll at least giggle and flirt with those immoral shitstain deliquents. And i've seen this shit happen many times on cglchat2 and they get away with it, so don't fucking give me that "proof motherfucker" hard shit.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 02:14:45 2012 No.6318005

>>6317985
bah, as long as you A) work on the buddy system and B) have some fucking common sense to say fuck off, then you'll be fine. Seriously, it boils down to just say something, and if the other party assaults you for it, you fucking kick their asses because the creepy aging man is too fucking weak to fight back and the Alpha douche is really a fucking beta when it comes to fighting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 02:16:03 2012 No.6318014 >dress like a slut >dont treat me like a slut because i look like one! Sure. Men are more likely to be crude to a slutty look girl than to a well dressed girl.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 02:19:04 2012 No.6318027

>>6317983
I hate this kind of thought process. How do you even justify it? Yeah, a female might respond positively to being hit on. Doesn't mean they are obligated to respond positively to every single person that hits on them. I'm sure you would crack the shits if I tried to force you to let a 500lb unwashed hambeast grind on your dick under the assumption that you'll let a 10/10 supermodel do it anyway.

>>	Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Tue Oct 16 02:20:04 2012 No.6318035 Sure got /r9k/ in here fast.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 02:24:07 2012 No.6318042

I need to mention that when I was 13, a dude in a car followed me home and solicited me for a blowjob. I was 13, and I was wearing an XL hoodie and hand-me-down genes. Just a terrible memory that resurfaced, 12-year-old Anon.

Anyways regardless of how chiseled a man is, I won't take it well if he tried the same bullshit OP's tried. It's not like I'm going to stop feeling uncomfortable if you made a really out-of-line grasp at my tits or something. A creeper is a creeper.

If you can't distinguish a creeper from someone who's just being awkward, try the 2 strikes rules. Most people understand they were out of line if you look offended or a little shocked and they'll normally correct themselves.

Not a perfect rule but it's works decently.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 02:25:37 2012 No.6318046 >>6318042 >hand-me-down genes JEANS. But my parents did give me my genes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 02:43:50 2012 No.6318102 >>6318042 That was a pedo, not a man. He doesn't dig ass and titties.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 02:49:39 2012 No.6318109

>>6318027
no, i'm expecting every woman to be appalled and to fucking do something about ANYONE doing it. The creeper doesn't know any better and/or has issues and should be reprimanded and the fucking douche thinks that this is all a game and should learn that life ain't a fucking game and should be put in his place.

If your just going to stand there and let the fucking guy have his way, your no better then the guy doing the action.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 03:07:11 2012 No.6318136 MEN HAVE BEEN OGLING WOMEN SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME. ENJOY BEING OBJECTIFIED UNTIL WE EVOLVE INTO PURE ENERGY... EVEN THEN I WILL OGLE YOUR NEUTRINOS BITCH! I WILL OGLE THEM HARD!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 03:17:11 2012 No.6318151 >>6317090 Just because a girl is smiling or laughing or hell just being passive, doesn't mean she's okay with it. Those are common responses people have to uncomfortable situations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 04:00:49 2012 No.6318197 >>6318102 this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 04:03:49 2012 No.6318199 File: 2.02 MB, 1936x2592, me as punisher.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6318151 Yes it is, I am Alpha, I can tell from the pheromones she realleases from her pussy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 04:13:14 2012 No.6318207 >>6318151 For real, nervous laughter is a coping mechanism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 04:15:43 2012 No.6318208 >>6318199 I desperately wanted to believe that his rock-hard nip was poking out of the skull's right eye socket, but then realised that it was probably the corner of his sleeve.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 04:55:51 2012 No.6318243 >>6315094 oh my god what. that was disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 05:05:52 2012 No.6318261 >>6318243 another racist whiteboy Beta male virgin

>>	zombie pimp Tue Oct 16 05:22:56 2012 No.6318277 File: 11 KB, 250x213, 1342331993993s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6318199 BAWAHAHAHAHAHA!.. APLHA VIRGIN MAYBE! YOU UGLY BASTID..U HAVE TO HIDE BEHIND YOUR PHONE CUZ YOUR SOO FUGLY.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 05:25:25 2012 No.6318282 >>6318277 Im not him but the only people who treat "virgin" as a pejorative are hopeless losers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 05:30:25 2012 No.6318288 File: 292 KB, 1888x1033, adasdasd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] funny that as soon as a guy has a mic in his hand and a camera on him he isn't creepy any more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekqiVbOTBYU

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 05:34:58 2012 No.6318295 >>6318277 lol

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 05:41:57 2012 No.6318303

>>6318102
>>6318197
Truely. But still, a terrifying experience and I always walk on the side of street where I can see cars coming at me. I still remember him looking like some Jersey Shore kid,, but before Jersey Shore.

Either way, creep is creep. I don't know who the anon who insists that that attractiveness changes that. And even so, a fujoshi tipping 600lbs would still be unattractive to the average man.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 05:42:57 2012 No.6318304
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I blame this asshole

Ever since he started interviewing cosplayers at that star wars convention and made a video out of it, interviewers wanting to be cool have been trying to emulate his style of being rude and insulting.

>>	Marsh Tue Oct 16 05:57:58 2012 No.6318319 File: 141 KB, 500x338, dave-chappelle-ladies-whore.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Speshul schnowfrakes.

>>	Obasu !!++TjZVQQYgt Tue Oct 16 06:02:28 2012 No.6318324 >>6318304 >>2012 >>Madden at puppet Fuck you Triumph is fantastic. inb4 >>For me to poop on

>>	Obasu !!++TjZVQQYgt Tue Oct 16 06:04:58 2012 No.6318328 >>6318304 >>2012 >>Madden at a puppet Fuck you Triumph is da bes inb4 >>For me to poop on

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 06:27:07 2012 No.6318359 Face it guys, if you could have sex with girls you wouldn't be so misogynist / complain about woman.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 06:47:39 2012 No.6318378 >>6318319 Ahaha yes this

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 07:03:29 2012 No.6318391

>>6318319
Except there's no such thing as a "whore's uniform", and even if there was, it's far from being the same as impersonating a cop. Of course if you're dressed as a cop, people expect you to fight crime. You put people in danger if you don't. But "dressing as a whore" doesn't mean you have to suck every dick you see. Prostitutes can still decide not to service a client.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 07:16:04 2012 No.6318404 >>6318391 >But "dressing as a whore" doesn't mean you have to suck every dick you see. Yes, but people expect you to. >Prostitutes can still decide not to service a client. Cops can decide the same. It just means they're not very good at their job.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 07:34:26 2012 No.6318422 File: 19 KB, 336x246, 1316337239996.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >showing some cleavage = dressing like a whore

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 07:44:28 2012 No.6318430 >>6318422 Why do you show cleavage then? Seriously, you don't see men showing off their abs, or, I dunno, balls hanging out when they're not actively trying to get pussy.

Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Tue Oct 16 07:50:28 2012 No.6318434

>>6318430
Actually when it comes to cosplay sometimes you do see them showing off abs when it's a part of the costume, that doesn't mean they are actively trying to get laid, maybe they just like the character/dressing up and feeling cool for fun.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 07:56:30 2012 No.6318442

>>6318434
I dont know were you're getting the part of getting laid from. But i for instance wouldnt throw a fit over a girl saying complimenting my abs, if i chose a cosplay that is revealing i take the consquences of having some undesired attention. That said if someone was to inverview me about my cosplay, i would expect questions on my cosplay if its going to be about my physical shape and trying to get me to do things i feel uncomfortable with i would leave.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 08:18:51 2012 No.6318469 >>6318434 You're retarded.

>>	Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Tue Oct 16 08:23:53 2012 No.6318476 >>6318469 >ad hominem

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 08:24:23 2012 No.6318478 >>6318476 >truth

>>	Spaghettiking !rHutTKu1dI Tue Oct 16 08:27:23 2012 No.6318483 File: 16 KB, 144x144, jc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6318478

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 08:30:53 2012 No.6318488 >>6318483 Yes.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 09:55:19 2012 No.6318619

>>6315703

This right here is not a "whore's uniform." Honestly, while the way you dress certainly raises the chance of creepers coming to you, if they don't want to be touched, don't do it. Its as simple as that. As long as you get consent, its fine. Don't make excuses or blame it on anyone else, you know better. Don't ask personal questions either, especially ones that everyone on the internet will see.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 09:59:49 2012 No.6318622 >>6318619 "whore's uniform" is just an analogy, its not meant to be taken literally. I agree with what the black guy was saying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 10:36:30 2012 No.6318682 >>6318622 Enjoy being a virgin another 10 years.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:15:22 2012 No.6318979
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>>6318430
In my experience with myself and other women we show cleavage/ wear make up, dress sexy - because we want all the attention to prove to other women "I'm the best looking here" but that's it we don't want the creepers that come with it .... it's like a competition between women and for some reason men think it's for them .. no we are just using you to show other women how desirable we can be and how much better we are but that's it ...

and that's what happens at cons girls pick the most attention grabbing cosplays (slutty rule 63 in most cases) to steal any attention away from other women and prove "I'm the hottest cosplay chick here look at how many pictures people are taking and look at how famous I'm becoming"

pic related coco at nycc

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:18:53 2012 No.6318983 >>6318979 Wow. She looks 15 years older in the right picture.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:35:00 2012 No.6319018 http://youtu.be/8K1KHqi9bXc

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:03:08 2012 No.6319070 File: 466 KB, 410x580, tumblr_lu96jsKDge1qbz1b3o1_500.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6315016 Another costume OP did

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:13:14 2012 No.6319090 >>6318979 This.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:18:44 2012 No.6319098

>>6318979
>it's like a competition between women and for some reason men think it's for them ..
God, this forced 'explanation' just makes my fucking brain hurt.

Imagine if a group of women were teleported to a foreign planet.

After a few decades it takes to un-condition your fucked-up heads, you would stop dressing like that, since you'd finally notice the lack of cock going in your vaginas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:19:11 2012 No.6319256 >>6319070 Heaven forbid she actually like a character that wears less than other characters.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:23:44 2012 No.6319276

>>6319256
Yeah I'm sure she's a HUGE fan of the character and has all the comics/figurines to show her love for the character not just by cosplaying it

and I'm sure she didn't just choose this character because it would make her stand out in a crowd of regulars, cosplayers, and booth babes

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:26:14 2012 No.6319289 she looks a bit like megan fox?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:30:13 2012 No.6319304 >>6319276 >assumptions Why are we always assuming women aren't fans of what they cosplay? Just because they're attractive that makes them less likely to be fans?

ai-honey !eEQ3LJoZmM Tue Oct 16 15:35:14 2012 No.6319319

>>6319098
Whilst it is a forced explanation, very few women do it for male attention (or at least male attention alone). I know a lot of girls who either who already have a boyfriend or are lesbians and who occasionally cosplay revealing stuff because /they do it for themselves/.

There may be a demographic that does do it to one up other women, but I'm not sure that's all that common really.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:39:14 2012 No.6319335

>>6319319
I'm the anon that posted >>6318979

and as I said in my post "In my experience with myself and other women" I meant me and women I have met/know.. so yeah didn't mean for my post to be taken out of context as "all women in the world" everyone is different so yeah different women show skin for different reasons

Arcana Time !woqVVX1A4Y Tue Oct 16 15:40:45 2012 No.6319342
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>>6319319
There are all kinds of reasons one would cosplay revealing characters. Let's see:

>the person wants to attract guys (or girls)
>the person has confidence in their body and is proud enough to show it off
>they like the character
>they do it for themselves
>they do it to get more confidence
>they lost a bet
>they like the design
>it is midsummer
>it is fun

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:43:22 2012 No.6319355 >>6319276 If everyone were required to own the majority of the material of a fucking comic book character then there wouldn't be very many superhero cosplays period.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:45:22 2012 No.6319361 >>6319355 Yea, I'm sure that ALL the girls who cosplay Black Widow know what she's from. "She's like this stripper in Spiderman" "You sure honey?"

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:47:38 2012 No.6319368

>>6318979
I agre, and it's not just at Cons that this happens either. Me and my b/f were noticing the behavioral patterns of chicks at the racetrack, and it's all the same thing. Tight dresses, kitten heels- at the TRACK. Like it's fucking Fast n Furious or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:51:08 2012 No.6319381 >>6319361 Personally I only cosplayed Black Widow to show boobs and because the movie had just come out ... I'm not a "omg huge fan" or anything ... I'm sure I'm not the only female that does this

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:26:50 2012 No.6319493 >>6319319 The point is, you would NOT do it when there were no men around.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:45:12 2012 No.6319560

IDEK. i stopped taking her seriously after she whine about the YT peeps, but before this was inviting people to come to her booth (omg i hate the word booth babe gaiz) to see her and her 'hot' friend looking 'fierce'.

So come look at me and my friends boobs unless you can get me publicity then I will insult you to get popularity for being a SJC.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:45:42 2012 No.6319561

>>6319361
Yeah, that would be a pretty terrible conversation to have and I don't doubt that it happens. But I'm saying that you don't need to own merchandise or have encyclopedic knowledge to just like a character. She has an ask box, you can be one of those guys and quiz her if you want.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 17:17:40 2012 No.6319685

>>6319368

As a former test driver, I'd get a kick out of those girls showing up on open test days and race weekends. They would all try (and fail) to get close to their favorite driver. Best part is when they try to run and their heels snap, all but ensuring that they faceplant.

>>	ai-honey !eEQ3LJoZmM Tue Oct 16 17:56:17 2012 No.6319868 >>6319493 Yeah, I would actually. In fact I'm sure a lot of other girls would do, since at the least it'd be a comfortable environment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:01:29 2012 No.6319885 >>6319868 Of course, I said that the mentally hampered ones would keep on doing that for some time, but eventually, you'd give up.

ai-honey !eEQ3LJoZmM Tue Oct 16 18:05:29 2012 No.6319893

>>6319885
I dress in Lolita too, which is nothing but a sea of girls. Some of us really do just like dressing up. I do not equate dressing up in any way to be sexy (regardless of skin showing), because I'm fairly sure we all look like retards to normal people anyway. Get it?

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:08:59 2012 No.6319902

>>6319893
>implying men actually find lolita attractive
I guess, maybe, pedos do?

But really, when I just hear the word 'lolita' (in terms of fashion) it just makes me cringe and think of some stuck up princess with daddy issues. Would not date material.

>>	ai-honey !eEQ3LJoZmM Tue Oct 16 18:12:49 2012 No.6319911 >>6319902 That's my point motherfucker. We dress up for ourselves, not for men.

>>	Marsh Tue Oct 16 18:23:19 2012 No.6319936 >>6319911 Sure you do. Everything you do is for you to feel better about yourselves, not for other people to boost your ego for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:24:19 2012 No.6319938 >>6315161 Could you be any more of an obvious troll?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:31:09 2012 No.6319952 >>6319911 JFC, I almost forgot who I'm dealing with here. Thanks for reminding me. The point was, that lolitas DON'T dress in a way that show tits or ass / like whores.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:35:09 2012 No.6319959

dress like a slut, be treated like a slut.
does that make to degrade women right? NO

just don't get butthurt when people are rude.
there are always going be assholes whether you're dressing modestly or sluty. but if you're dressing sluty, don't be surprised that people are only seeing you as a sex object

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:37:39 2012 No.6319966 >>6319959 Well said. We're degrading sluts. It's the ones who get defensive about it, that are implying all women are like them (sluts).

ai-honey !eEQ3LJoZmM Tue Oct 16 18:38:09 2012 No.6319969

>>6319936
Oh hai thar marsh. No comments about removing any of my body parts in a barbaric manner? Kind of tame for you.

>>6319952
I am aware that's what you said. My point was, that if you can acknowledge that there are plenty of other groups of people who cosplay/dress up in ways that are clearly not for the intention of grabbing the interest of men, why is it as soon as a costume has a little clevage that it automatically means we're doing it for you guys?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:41:09 2012 No.6319979 >>6319969 But I was talking about the ones with tits having out to begin with. You were implying you would still have your tits out if men weren't around. Lolitas don't have tits out (well, maybe the good ones do?).

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:49:44 2012 No.6320002 >>6319969 Isnt there alternatives though, like private facebook-groups and private smaller cons/get-togethers ? I'm sure you could even book rooms at the larger cons where you show of cosplay in private without rude male attention.

ai-honey !eEQ3LJoZmM Tue Oct 16 19:03:16 2012 No.6320032

>>6319979
Ahem. They don't, no. My point of reference was that I've done a few sexy costumes as well as conservative ones, but I dress in Lolita as well because /I like dressing up, which I do for myself/. A lot of cosplayers are like this, I'm pretty sure of it.

>>6320002
People do though! It's harder than Lolita meets (which happen all the time) because a lot of cosplay is considerably less public friendly. But at the end of the day, big conventions are big draws for people, so of course they're gonna go and cosplay there.

Anyway I guess this conversation is pretty played out by now. Toodle pip guys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 19:45:22 2012 No.6320158 >>6320032 Yes, great, so we can agree women dress in sexy ones just to please men, ultimately, and in conservative ones for whatever fucked up reasons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:06:28 2012 No.6320218 I think she handled herself really well. I might have done something stupid, like burst into humiliated tears or some shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 21:56:41 2012 No.6320555 I remember when this was a good thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 00:39:06 2012 No.6320882 >>6315669 NIgga wasn't funny at all.

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