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last one hit bump limit

>> No.10902455

I want to start wearing lolita again, I really miss it. I wore it a lot 10 ish years ago but kinda petered out. Have worn it a few times already this year. I need to update my wardrobe tho. I feel like everything has changed so much since when I was active. Where do people shop now? I prefer secondhand. I am after a few blouses in the plus size range (like 100 cm bust and roomy in the shoulders) and natural fibre. Also some easy ops and jsks for every day wearing. I love the designs from Tiny Garden but the quality is unacceptable. Keen for simple classic in solids and maybe all over prints. Any recommendations?

>> No.10902459

>>10902455
Lose weight first

>> No.10902460

Is checking mercari even worth it anymore? I haven’t been able to buy anything I was interested in last year.

>> No.10902467

>>10902459
Nayrt, it could help but for some people 100cm bust doesn't mean they have excess weight to lose.
Of course it's still good advice to say "if you are too pudgy, lose weight first".
On the other hand, if someone had weight to lose then I see no problem with buying something that fits the shoulders and bust and just taking in the bust later on.

>> No.10902474
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isnt Qi cultural appropriation or whatever? why is there no nose ring afab screaming about it in the comments or is she half asian i am way to faceblind to see it though

>> No.10902477

>>10902459
having tits doesn't make you fat, anachan

>> No.10902478

>>10902474
no, it is not appropriation. she could be asian, but who cares.

>> No.10902479

>>10902477
>>10902467
skinny well endowed girls are still below 100cm but nice fatty cope

>> No.10902484

>>10902460
I still luck out on Mercari just fine, but I prefer girly casual brands opposed to Lolita. What brands do you check regularly?

>> No.10902485

i don't like wearing Lolita per say but i do enjoy the community and drawing people in it or making illustration akin to the japan/chinese prints, is that a bad thing can i participate into the community despite the fact that i don't wear the fashion i just like drawing it

>> No.10902486

>>10902485
you can do whatever you want, the lolita police wont come get you

>> No.10902488

>>10902485
If by "participating in the community" you mean posting your art and chatting online then yes, absolutely. It wouldn't be appropriate to attend meets or give concrit, but that goes for anyone who doesn't wear lolita.

>> No.10902489

>>10902479
Speaking from personal experience here, my bust as an adult has never been below 98cm, even at my fittest (have always done sports), flat stomach and not even close to being chubby or overweight. I mostly blame my frame (tall for lolita but not a giraffe either, wide shoulders, wide ribcage, wide hips, bust has never been less than a D cup as an adult).

100cm isn't that much different.

>> No.10902490

>>10902479
You don't need to be skinny in order to not be fat.

>> No.10902496

How disgusting is it for an apple shaped woman to wear lolita? I’ve never had a flat stomach no matter how low my weight got, and it’s really ugly. Should I quit?

>> No.10902497

>>10902489
I'm the original anon and my bust is 98 and has been for most of the time ive worn lolita, I just like looser blouses. If they fit me in the body, they're usually too tight around the shoulders and armscye.
I do need to lose weight but I also want some basic blouses.

>> No.10902498

>>10902496
just hide it under sack dresses and empire waist dresses. I've seen a few apple shaped lolitas who had slim limbs, regular bust size and slim face and the only place they were fat was in their stomach and you would never know because they only wear high waisted dresses and sack cuts.

>> No.10902501

>>10902496
Lolita isn't exactly a "flattering" fashion for any body type; the frumpiness is what we like about it or we'd wear something else. If you feel bad enough about the way it look on you that it takes the joy out of the hobby, find something that works better. That might be another cut, another substyle, or even another girly jfashion. Your clothes that you put so much time, thought and money into should bring you happiness. Don't be to preoccupied with what others think no matter what you wear on your own time, especially when it's something most people don't understand anyway.

>> No.10902502

>>10902484
Putumayo, hnaoto, ozzon, baby and ap. I haven’t bought items from ap and baby since 2021 and I would check mercari every day multiple times.

>> No.10902508

>>10902489
whats your bmi though lol

>> No.10902509
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>>10902501
>Just wear lolita it doesn’t matter what body type you are! As long as you’re happy!!1!1!!!!!1misnsinfidnowmw
Just say your coping at that point. lolita is made to look elegant with a cute twist, no good coord is going to look “frumpy” and I’d rather not wear lolita if I’m going to look like sherk wearing a princess dress.

>> No.10902510

>>10902508
Now it's 25 point something (which is factually overweight and it's because of body fat in my case, although I still do have quite some muscle) and I should lose some body fat. When I was a gymnast, younger, more active and had a cleaner diet it was 23.

I don't know why it matters to you though.

>> No.10902511

>>10902509
nta, i dont think normal weight girls look bad in lolita, but youre correct that skinny girls will always look better.
the problem with this thread is people are lying to themselves. unless you have a 28" underbust and ginormous huge bazongas, you do not get a 100" bust without being overweight lmaooo

>> No.10902512

>>10902501
>>10902509
A lot of dresses/skirts that are gathered at the waist make people look bigger. A-line dresses (no waist seam, no gathering at the waist) can be flattering as long as the petticoat isn't too voluminous. But these are only flattering on people whose torso goes in from bust to waist. Look ridiculous imo on apple and ruler shaped bodies.

>> No.10902513

>>10902511
>unless you have a 28" underbust

My underbust measurement has always been over 28" (which is 71cm) as an adult, even when I was a healthy weight and had a healthy body fat % and healthy body fat distribution pattern. This isn't uncommon here. I don't expect americans to understand though, you're short and fat compared to northern europeans.

>> No.10902517

>>10902513
Americans are rarely ever taller then 5’10”, so we’re short and fat across the board.

>> No.10902528

>>10902479
100cm bust = 34DD, 32DDD, or a 30F. sorry about your raisin tits.

>> No.10902529

>>10902528
100cm is not 30F.

cup size is relative to band. 100CM with a 30 band would be something like 30H.

>> No.10902534

>>10902512
curious why you think a-line looks ridiculous on rulers? with a petticoat, the hip measurement isn't noticeable at all

>> No.10902538

>>10902534
with the ruler body shape there is almost no difference between the visual width of the bust, waist and hip as seen from the front. imo the A-line jsk only looks good when there is a noticeable difference in the visual width between bust and waist. Rulers don't have that. Ridiculous might have been too strong of a word, and don't let what some rando online says determine your choices. If you have a ruler body shape and you like what an A-line jsk look like on you that's what matters.

>> No.10902542

>>10902509
sherk

>> No.10902543

>>10902509
Lolita was literally made to look frumpy newfag

>> No.10902545
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>>10902528
while correct with the sister sizes, 100cm on a 30" ribcage is a difference of 9" which is more like a 30G, or 30FF/30GG depending on the fit

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not a question about jfash but involving buying it:

i am going to be in japan for a few months in the autumn, does anyone know if there is a company where you get a temporary mailbox in japan to mail items to bought online AND pick up in-person? i mostly only see forwarding services or temporary letter mailboxes for expats which is not what i am looking for.

>> No.10902549
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Where does one buy a decent petticoat nowadays?

>> No.10902550

>>10902545
my bad, my math was off. but the point stands.

>> No.10902551

>>10902543
It's literally called elegant gothic lolita you potato.

>> No.10902552

>>10902551
>gothic lolita is the only lolita
Someone's never seen old school sweet street snaps

>> No.10902555

>>10902552
nta but please no more of using oldschool as a justification to be fat and look like shit. you know why street snaps from that era looked 'frumpy' sometimes? because the clothes are LOOSE on them. there's a difference between it not being form-fitting and the wearer being fat.

>> No.10902556

>>10902555
You said no good coord would look frumpy and now you’re moving the goalpost to fatties.

>> No.10902557

>>10902511
This post made me realize I mistakenly thought the bust measurement was referring to the band size all these years and I feel so dumb now. Retarded follow up questions but what bust does 28C come out to be and is it usually measured in cm or inches?

>> No.10902558

>>10902552
Hello newb old schooler big mouth, the fashion is named EGL. Not everything under it is gothic. With that being said, while sweet sometimes looked frumpy back in the day, you can't be this delusional to think that it was created to look frumpy over elegant. Keep coping though.

>> No.10902559

>>10902549
aurora & ariel on taobao if you're fine with organza, if you prefer voile or need more customizability then melikestea

>> No.10902561

>>10902558
The fashion is not “named” EGL lmao it’s just what mana called it and became a common umbrella term. The word elegant isn’t literally defining it any more than gothic is. It’s a vibe name. Frumpiness has always been a meaningful part of the aesthetic just like elegance has

>> No.10902562

>>10902561
>it's not called that!
>it's all about vibes!
>it's literally made to look frumpy!
>it's elegant too!
What are you arguing at this point, retard?

>> No.10902563

>>10902562
I dislike people who make lolita all about perfect elegance, it kills what makes the fashion unique and special. Lolita is supposed to be a little weird and imperfect. This isn't about fats btw they look bad in everything

>> No.10902565

>>10902551
i agree with you but you must be 18 to post here

>> No.10902575

>>10902555
Stop taking the bait jesus christ

>> No.10902576

>>10902563
Nobody is saying you have to be perfect but looking “frumpy” is often to associated with awful coords. I would just not use the word to describe my coords at all, it could lead people to thinking the coord is made to look rather unpleasant on purpose.

>> No.10902581

Is there a way to shrink your ribcage? I’m 5’0 with a band size of 34. I feel like a human chode

>> No.10902586

>>10902581
No, there is no human way on earth to do this. Even with surgery. You can remove ribs to minimise your waist, however.

>> No.10902587

>>10902558
Nayrt, but EGL is what Mana called the style of his lolita brand. The name of the fashion in general is "lolita fashion ". During the old school era "gothic lolita " was sometimes used as an umbrella term for all of lolita (probably because a lot of people learned about lolita fashion as a result of the rise in popularity of gothic lolita), as you probably understand that's not an accurate term to use as an umbrella term for all of lolita.
EGL is commonly used for lolita site names and for tags for all of lolita by the online comm as a way to get around issues with the word "lolita " being blocked by several platforms. So to summarise EGL only refers to the style of Mana's lolita brand, but is used by the western online comm as an umbrella term for all lolita when they need to evade blocks and censors.

>> No.10902589

>>10902563
Nayrt, but elegance is very important to the look of some gothic lolita and some classic lolita brands.

>> No.10902590

>>10902586
Well that sucks. I’d love to remove some of my ribs regardless though. My ribcage ends right above my hip bones and it’s really uncomfortable, especially when I lean or bend sideways because I can feel them touching each other. I have a very unfortunate body.

>> No.10902595

>>10902590
Nayrt, I have that too. It's called being short waisted iirc. Removing lower ribs also doesn't make the rib cage in general any smaller. There are probably also good reasons why you shouldn't remove the lower ribs. It's worth a google search.

>> No.10902617

>>10902557
just measure yourself and get your correct bra size that way instead of trying to figure out measurements from an existing size, that’s kind of retarded.

>> No.10902618

>>10902590
I have no idea how fat or skinny you are, but generally you can decrease your torso circumference to some extent just by losing weight (obviously you can't diet your bones smaller, but there is fat that sits all around your ribcage).
Otherwise, you're stuck with the skeleton you're born with.

>> No.10902642

>>10902581
core excercises can help improve posture which can improve your posture, which can help a little.

>> No.10902644

>>10902642
>can help improve posture which can improve your posture
Whoa

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Do these two work together? Bought the cutsew to coord with my chiffon pieces but idk, what do ya’ll think?

>> No.10902683

>>10902666
Sure, why not?

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>>10902666
yep, and I think it would looks good with sheer OTKs since it has lace long sleeves

>> No.10903100 [DELETED] 

Are there taobao brands that make basic cotton single color solids of decent quality? Every brand is almost always permanently sold out of anything I want and nothing shows up secondhand that doesn't disappear in 5 seconds

>> No.10903101 [DELETED] 

>>10903100
By solids I dont just mean dresses but also blouses and skirts

>> No.10903144

is too autist if i care about not mixing cotton lace with tulle lace?

>> No.10903148

>>10903144
no, that's just good sense. It can work sometimes but most of the time I don't like what it looks like.

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>>10902439
Which bag is better for classic

>> No.10903329

>>10903317
Neither. Gross

>> No.10903331

>>10903317
first one. but they're both ugly.

>> No.10903375

>>10903331
>>10903329
Fine then recommend me a bag at literally any price point under 5,000 USD for classic. But it has to be in stock and available. Let’s see your taste that’s so supreme and I really appreciate the help because I’ve been looking for a replacement bag for my IW one for years

>> No.10903377

>>10903317
If you don’t want to buy something actually Lolita you could try going to an antique mall and searching for something gobelin or beaded.

>> No.10903381

>>10903375
are you more of an iw classic or mm/vm? i would suggest looking at axes femme on secondhand sites, vintage like >>10903377 said, or even kate spade. i feel like the hardware and details in your op don't match the classic aesthetic very well.

>> No.10903382

>>10903375
look on mercari japan there's plenty of cheap cute bags

>> No.10903456

are closet child listings not loading for anyone else

>> No.10903460

>>10903375
nayrt but why are you being a bitch? just go to any brand website or cc or ww and just buy one if you've got such a huge budget.
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/collections/bag/products/m-06362

>> No.10903466

>>10903148
It started bothering me in accesories too, not only in main pieces. Seems like I'll have to build two capsules, one for modern lolita and other for trad.

>> No.10903467

>>10903466
makes sense. I've decided not to buy pieces that had both tule lace and torchon/woven cotton lace on the same dress/cutsew/blouse. Another thing I don't buy are pieces that have slightly different color lace, such as a piece that has stark white lace and offwhite/ivory lace.

>> No.10903468

>>10903460
Pleather bags fall apart, already gone through 2 ivory bags. I don’t have the money to buy a Chanel or Dior bag though, they’re just a little too expensive for my budget
>>10903377
>>10903381
I like IW and miss their bags a lot. But I’m tired of brand bags falling apart, sure I could buy one more but it will last me a year at most. Vintage looks ugly, bought a few and they clash stylistically with my dresses. Look good with VM though. Hence trying to find a nicer leather bag

>> No.10903482

>>10903468
some old bags from VM are leather. MM and IW have also made real leather bags. IWs recent sherry bag was leather

>> No.10903490

>>10903468
Nayrt, I recommend searching your local second hand online market for something along the lines of "(insert colour here) leather bag". It helps if you know what style of bag would look good with your wardrobe. There's certainly nothing wrong with buying a bag for lolita from a non lolita brand. You might also consider looking for real leather bags from cute Japanese brands. Go look on mercari. Ask a Japanese lolita which brands are popular for real leather bags to be worn with lolita.
Instead of real and fake leather you can also use fabric bags (such as cotton canvas or heavily interfaced fabrics).

>> No.10903496

>>10903375
At that price point, just commission a custom leather handbag. Hell, you'll even have more than enough left over to cover shipping.
My recommendations are Samantha Thavasa and Beara Beara. I do think Jane Marple and LIEF bags are the closest to IW style-wise though.

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>>10903468
There are so many good handbag makers out there, honestly I think your best bet is to go on sites like grailed and browse lots of different brands at once.

My mom owns a few tooled leather Patricia Nash bags that are really pretty. Pretty cheap, too, for the quality. I know they've released ivory pieces in the past like picrel that you could look for secondY4Hhand too.

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>>10903467
that's good advice, variety of laces or shades of white/ivory doesn't mean versatility, also I came to the conclusion that pieces without lace like the pintuck jsks from meta are must for versatile wardrobe, as you can coord them with different types of laces, bringing a different vibe to each coord.

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I have a few brands (AP, Btssb) and bodyline blouses with these heart buttons. I think I'm pretty standard size when it comes to brand items (90cm bust, 70cm waist) but I find the buttons keep popping out when I'm wearing a skirt and it's been pretty annoying (I do wear a tanktop under the blouse so I'm not flashing anyone). They pop at areas where there's a bit of tension due to my bust and where I hunch over/sit down (stomach area where fabric is looser). According to lolibrary measurements, the blouses I have should have been within my measurement range. Is there any way to fix this problem and is this a common problem?

>> No.10903641

>>10903630
fashion tape can be used to hold the button up area together and prevent gapping which should also prevent that, but it sounds like the blouses don't actually fit you and need to be let out or sized up

>> No.10903648

>>10903630
If you see strain lines when moving in the blouse but not when standing still this is an indicator that there isn't enough ease in the blouse to allow for comfortable movement. I recommend sewing some snap buttons to the placket at the areas where there is the most strain (the snap buttons won't be visible from the outside). The heart buttons won't pop then but if you still see strain lines after adding snap buttons you should consider altering the blouse to add more room or buying a blouse with more room.

>> No.10903769

Does anyone know if/when Sakura1tama will be back?

>> No.10903891

When all the mary magdalene jsks and ops state the bust is 88cm on Lolibrary how accurate is that? Can someone with a 89-92cm fit it?

>> No.10903896

>>10903891
You'll have to specify which one you're looking at. Some of them can and some of them can't.

>> No.10903956

Where is all the cheap secondhand stuff these days? Every once in a while I go searching and it’s all ridiculously expensive. I may as well buy new.

I used to get printed brand jsks for like 10k yen a few years back. Now even basic stuff like 20k yen? And a shit load of random offbrand and taobao.

>> No.10903958

>>10903891
Depends on the dress, but usually 88-90 is pretty accurate

>> No.10903959

>>10903896
Stuff with a zipper at the back and/or no shirring. I also see some listed as 87 and 86cm bust but I don't think I'll push it with those.
Examples:
Rote Rose OP
Dolores JSK

>> No.10903960

>>10902439
I'm really into vkei and I like angura kei, but I'm struggling to figure out where to buy a lot of appropriate items like the old fashioned gakuran hats, traditional umbrellas, platform geta, etc. Any shop recommendations or general search terms?

>> No.10903965

I don't see a skincare general so I'll just ask here. Does anyone with the Hado Labo Gokujyun Premium Lotion use it together with a moisturizer? Like underneath, as a toner. I'm considering buying a bottle but I'm not sure if it's supposed to be used as a standalone moisturizer or if I need a separate moisturizer on top.

>> No.10903982

>>10903965
A lotion in Japanese skin care is much thinner than a regular moisturiser, what the Japanese call a lotion=toner in the west, you will most likely want to use a moisturiser on top of the HL gokujyun lotion. I have tried a lot of HL products and prefer to put on a milk (aka emulsion) after a lotion.

>> No.10904072

I'm interested in a few recently released items from Baby that are listed as sold out on their website. I see that it's possible to contact them about said items and inquire if they're in stock in physical stores, but only if you're located in Japan. I planned on ordering them through my Japanese SS anyway, how would I go about contacting Baby on their behalf?