/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10831585
>loves people buying garbage and thinking it's lolita
>we should gatekeep harder lol
anon...i

I think OTT sweet looks tacky and costumey. Especially when it's a cosplayer doing an OTT coord.

>>10831588
I rather they buy garbage than buy brand that they'll treat poorly and throw away after they leave the fashion in 2 years.

>>10831590
I hate in general that people think cosplay and lolita even go together. The only thing they share is an orgin in Japan, and they have nothing to do with one another.

>>10831585
My confession is that I don’t like any of the covidlitas. Since meets started happening I tried to host events and meet the new members. They tend to be chronically online and rude. They don’t have a filter either. I’m at a point where I want to give up on my comm because of them.

If you are over 25, I think OTT sweet is a bit embarassing, unless you look younger I guess. But I have a dream that aging lolitas will realize this themselves and just switch to classic or keep it casual.

>>10831602
Dumb zoomer take. I bet you think 27 is when life ends.

>>10831602
Agree and I’m over 25. It only works if you have a youthful face shape, minimal wrinkles, and glowing skin. And even then, beautiful people like Misako still tone down their style. Those who don’t end up looking bad.

It drives me crazy when people put *RARE* in the listing title on LaceMarket. Bitch everything lolita that hasn’t had a MTO is technically rare. Your sheep garden dress isn’t anything special, please learn how supply and demand works.

>>10831621
I hate it and I hate when they put OLD SCHOOL too

>>10831627
It's the zoomers and covidlitas Id wager.

Sneakers dont belong in lolita. By insoles or something.

>>10831627
I know right? if it's old school PUT THE GODDAMN RELEASE YEAR IN THE TITLE

I hate all the videos about normie's reaction on lolita and millions of videos like omg how dare you tell me somethig non-frilly peasant.
And I hate westwood hype. It's not that cool and chic, calm down

I think even expensive sweet lolita looks cheap and tacky. And it looks kinda bad on anyone who couldn't pass as a teenager.

i dislike prints

>tattoos

>>10831637
Right? I feel like there's barely any lolita content nowadays other than "this person thought i was dressed weird"

>>10831613
I’m 32 sooooo

lolita DOES look like a costume, but only compared to normie clothes and less cohesive jfash to some extent. but that's because you have to think about what you're wearing and you can't just throw stuff together.

Sweet Lolita shouldn’t even be aligned with the fashion anymore and should be taken out back with the pedophiles, DDLG fags and troons. The lack of gatekeeping has ruined Lolita’s reputation. Every time I talk about Lolita everyone asks if it’s that baby uwu fashion all the gross troons wear. Gothic Lolita may suffer the same fate as well but time will tell.

in my opinion gothic can be just as garish as sweet with intense makeup, bigass crosses, tall heels, campy motifs. etc.
Toned down sweet can be as simple as a scalloped cardigan, a floral or solid skirt and textured tights.
It's not about the substyle, it's about how you wear it.

>>10831669
>Every time I talk about Lolita everyone asks if it’s that baby uwu fashion all the gross troons wear.
I feel like this is bullshit. I barely have met anyone who even knows the fashion. When they do it's just like oh cool, that japanese thing.

>>10831669
Eh, I mainly blame gen z/alpha and perma itas for this. They are so thirsty to fit in with lolitas that they buy sissy-looking replicas and horrible accessories which make the fashion look even less polished and more juvenile. Then they scream to everyone that they're a real ~kawaii lolita~ and so the sweet substyle becomes defiled.

>>10831621
>everything lolita that hasn’t had a MTO is technically rare
Hard agree. They're just trying to feed on people's smooth brained FOMO.

>>10831602
>>10831641
I wear only sweet and started when I was 26, so I guess I'm super crusty now. I think 25 is still pretty young to be a "cut off" age for wearing lolita. But to be fair, I'm one of those people who passes as 10+ years younger than my age. I don't think there's an age limit for any style as long as you put together a good coord.
As an opposite opinion, think anyone younger than 16 shouldn't wear the fashion. I feel like 12 and 13 year olds wearing it just feed into the normie accusation of "why are you wearing children's clothes?!" when it comes to adult lolitas. I cringe when I see lolitas with kids asking if they can get lolita for their 9-year-old. Like just buy them princess dresses. There's tons of fluffy, hyper feminine clothes for kids. They don't need to infantilize lolita further.

>>10831585
What wigs would you recommend, if you don’t mind me asking?

99% of chinese brands don't appeal to me, some of it doesn't even look like lolita to me.
A lot of people don't know what casual lolita is.
Dream holic wigs are shit quality. I dislike most border prints. I dislike the move from cotton to polyester. I hate the vocal sjw overly woke cry bullies in my comm for making everyone else walk on egg shells around them. But the mods are on the side of the sjws. I hate dreads with lolita. If you have very visible dark arm hair or leg hair then remove it or cover it up with sleeves or leg wear. Beginners who complain about elitism and classism because they don't want to spend more than 60$ for a main piece (shipping and customs included).

>>10831602
the idea that there was a cut off age for sweet lolita, or even lolita in general, didn't used to be a controversial opinion at all. But then those late teens and early 20s lolitas got older and guess what, they did not stop wearing what they liked. 25+ is the right age to stop giving a fuck about what other people think you should wear so I don't think sweet or OTT sweet is "not age appropriate" for people over 25.

>>10831618
when misako isn't wearing more toned down styles she is still wearing full on sweet or full on classic.

>>10831627
I hate that there's no old school box you can tick on lacemarket to filter listings but I also know that people would not use it properly.

>>10831690
I'm in the same boat as you, I think I'm too old for OTT coords now but still am terrified of being mistaken for an ageplay freak when out lol, once I turn 30 I'm probably going to sell most of my sweet pieces and fully transition into classic and gothic.

I think prussian blue is the worst color in the world but I love old Moite, I hate finding a good gothic piece only to have it ruined by the blue accents.

>>10831716
I think this fear of being mistaken as a fetish is so overblown by lolitas. It's like a boogeyman. Most normal people 99% of the time will just think it's cool, weird, or not care at all.

>>10831718
Worst take I've ever read in my life

>>10831721
I think the fear is a realistic fear if you're a contemporary sweet lolita. I've heard a lot of stories from people who had interactions with strangers who thought it was some kind of fetish thing.

>>10831711
>I dislike the move from cotton to polyester
Also agree. Polyester has its place for certain design/structural elements, but overall cotton just feels better to wear.

>>10831710
I'm the OP, and the wigs I've enjoyed the most are Prisila. Maybe that's a beaten to death answer, but I'll never turn back.
They're somewhat costly if you're used to $25 wigs, but they photograph very well and most of them can take high-heat styling/teasing/etc. It's a huge shame that a lot of the styles are discontinued now and certain colors are hard to find. But (and I'll probably get cancelled for this) even Arda and Gothic Lolita Wigs/Rockstar wigs are better quality than Dream Holic. Both of those have a good amount of hair in the tracks and can be styled over and over.
My biggest problem with Dream Holic is that they look nothing like the glorified product pictures and have very little potential for volume/styling. The wigs themselves are some of the thinnest crap I've come across. They're limp, plastic-y, have very thin bangs, and the ponytail clips are just horrible. I bought two Dream Holic wigs in the most popular colors/styles because I felt like maybe I was missing out. Nope. I immediately felt scammed when I opened them. I wound up throwing them away. They are random-hit-or-miss-aliexpress-amazon tier, and I really don't understand why everyone recommends them.

>>10831716
Don't sell your wardrobe when you're 30. Throwing something away just because you hit a certain age just seems like you'll regret it. It's okay to "age" at your own pace.

>>10831740
>My biggest problem with Dream Holic is that they look nothing like the glorified product pictures

They also deny this. They say the pictures look like that because of "careful lighting" and that you will achieve the same effect by using powder. But it's obvious they are using a combination of lighting and a soft filter to achieve the look in the pictures. There are lots of issues I have with DH.
-inconsistent quality depending on the batch/year you bought them
-the ones I have have very thin, shiny fibers
-the ends were fried on some of the styles when they arrived
-the thin weak fibers don't stand up to regular gentle brushing like other wigs do.

>>10831741
I had no idea they made that claim. That's completely ridiculous.
Maybe I got a bad batch for the wigs I bought (pre-pandemic, for reference), but having horrible QC just speaks to them being bad news. I would love to see whatever the "good" quality versions are, if they even exist.
Totally agree with the weak fibers, and the fried ends.

>>10831741
DH didn’t mail my order. This was before the pandemic so there shouldn’t have been a problem with lockdowns or shipping. After months of emailing about the status of my order with no replies I had to file a refund. I will never try to buy from them again.

Perhaps it’s a blessing in disguise since they sound like they’re shit quality.

>>10831746
I've seen a few DH wigs from comm members irl and they looked good, that's why I decided to buy from DH. But my comm members bought them years before that. I bought mine at the end of 2018 and they arrived in the beginning of 2019. I talked about my disappointment with the quality to other people who got them around that time and they said they also had issues. One person bought a few wigs that were thin enough to see the tracks. Another said that the color gradient was not like the listing.
One person said it was because DH had just switched to a new manufacturer and they were still "ironing out issues".
Personally I like to customize my wigs by cutting the bangs, side pieces (if the style has them), the overal length, change the curl pattern occasionally, etc. But with my DH wigs that is a giant hassle because every time I comb gently some of the fibers get frazzled. I have to steam them out after every time I have styled and worn them, and even with proper styling they don't look their best because they can't handle combing. I paid their international price for them so I refuse to just throw them away.

>>10831751
it's absolutely a blessing you got your money back, my wigs were a hassle to work with and just don't look as good as other wigs I have.

this probably isn't totally unpopular but "peeking" bloomers needs to go. i don't know if i have ever seen peeking bloomers look good on anyone. maybe a true old school coord but those are few and far between. they make everything look so disproportionate and sloppy

I wish there were more communities where taobao (discussions, questions, coords from) was banned. Or at least not the focus. CGL is kind of the closest thing to that.

boy I just really love lolita fashion

>>10831754
That's pretty interesting that other people were having issues. I just checked and I bought mine in November of 2018. They actually sent me the wrong ponytail clips with my order (completely different color and style, so it was inexcusable). I got the right clips eventually after they required that I send back the wrong ones, but it didn't make a difference because I knew already how crap they were.
I'm actually kind of angry that, if they knew the new quality was bad from changing manufacturers, they didn't offer partial refunds or even make people aware that the stocks photos were the old wigs. Did a bunch of people just get shafted with shit wigs? And is the quality the same now? I can't imagine it got better with the pandemic and inflation.

>>10831751
You're so lucky. I wish my order had gotten lost or never shipped. I would love my money back.

>>10831759
they look out of place on coords that aren't pure old school. But I do love them in good old school coords.

>>10831763
I ordered on the 12th of november 2018 so I think we both got the crappy stuff. There was a discussion about wig brands and quality in 2019 and a lot of people came forward about DH. I don't know if the quality has changed from the ones I have, but I won't buy from them because it's not worth the gamble. They can't be trusted.

>>10831759
people take "peeking" to mean down to their fucking ankles. it makes them look poorly dressed.

Lolita is not for everyone. It never has been and it never will be despite the current crowd screaming that it is (or should be).

Anyone who got into this fashion after 2015 (especially during the pandemic) is invalid in my eyes unless they truly make the effort to understand the fashion. Most of them don't.

Fatties will never be able to look good in lolita. Fat = instant ita.

Minors need to stay out of the fashion or stay in their own circles. I miss when it was mostly adults.

>>10831731
OK but if anon is "terrified" of being mislabeled that's on her. It hasn't happened to me in 6 years of wearing sweet, but people drum it up like it's this massive problem. Just get off the internet for a while yaknow.

>>10831780
and weirdly proportioned! i hate that it’s usually the first advice poorly dressed give to tall lolitas, it’s going to look bad pretty much every time.

>>10831784
I hate the "lolita is for everyone" take as well. It's not for men or any woman who tries to look masculine imo. There are only a few fat lolitas who I thought actually looked good. But what do they say? The exception proves the rule.

>>10831786
it might be more of an occurrence for people who live in urban areas where you get lots of vocal assholes on the street. It has never happened to me but I'm also not into contemporary sweet.

I miss Tyler and the content she put out. It was entertaining and unique, and no one will ever be able to replicate it.

Also, this thread is full of trolls and larpers and it shows. The only real lolitas in here are the ones talking about the DH wigs. The rest of you are laying weak bait for the (you)s. Good luck with that lol.

>>10831789
I do miss tyler last week lolita news. Why did she stop?

>>10831784
>Anyone who got into this fashion after 2015 (especially during the pandemic) is invalid in my eyes
I'm an invali-ta. I joined after 2015, even though I vaguely knew about the fashion since 2010. Although, I agree that I hardly recognize people who joined in 2020 and beyond as lolitas. I tend to avoid people who tell me they just joined, or start asking me tons of newbie questions.
>unless they truly make the effort to understand the fashion
I'm curious, can you elaborate on this? Would that be watching videos, reading forums, knowing the ins-and-outs of the secondhand market, owning tons of burando and making tons of coords?
I personally don't know what makes someone a "real" lolita to me. I guess it would be an in-depth understanding of at least one prominent Japanese brand, having context/experience of buying both new releases and secondhand, and someone who can put together cohesive coords without relying on others' help.

>>10831791
alcoholism

>>10831791
She turned into a porn stick degenerate flashing her titties in clubs.

I don’t like mesh lace. It’s too bad (for me) because I like the unique little designs brands put on mesh lace to match prints, but it always looks cheap and plasticy to me. I’ve bought pieces with mesh lace from Baby, AP, and Atelier Pierrot and ended up selling every one. Everything in my closet has cotton lace.

>>10831802
agreed. Cotton lace supremacy.

Having a large wardrobe is kinda stressful and I'm jealous of lolitas who have small but tasteful versatile wardrobes. I'm thankful I'm able to afford having a lot of options but it's so much that it becomes a headache to keep track of. I've calmed down on buying recently and praying I can let go of a lot of pieces so my closet isn't so cramped.

>>10831808
I think it helps if you use wardrobe organizing apps. I use "My everyday Lolita" aka MEL but I've also got every piece on my PC.

>>10831789
>>10831791
Fuck Tyler and her stale piss takes. I’m glad she left. She wanted Lor’s clout and all she got was her shitty style instead.

>>10831788
NAYRT but I also call bullshit. I live in an urban area with vocal assholes and have lived in other major cities before and no one has ever thought my clothes are a fetish. You get harassed walking around + on public transit if you’re wearing anything feminine, my experiences in lolita are just barely worse than my experiences wearing normie skirts and t-shirts.

I just don't get why the baby SF store is so terrible at updating the fulfillment page. It's been 3 months since the last update

>>10831786
>>10831828
I’m sure it’s regional. In my country people love these modern freakshow-style “documentary” tv programs on subcultures and alternative fashions that are always edited to make their subjects look like deranged, pitiful freaks. Many people here therefore believe they know what lolita is all about because they saw it on the teevee and the teevee never lies. As a toned-down classic lolita I’ve escaped the worst of it but people still comment when they’ve seen pictures of me with my comm or even when it comes up organically with people who don’t even know I wear lolita. Once in my ita phase someone cautioned me against wearing a petticoat under my skirt because “people might think you’re one of those lolitas”.
The common consensus seems to be that it’s probably a sex thing. Like I’ve had friends and family members roll their eyes at me and call me naive for insisting it’s just clothes, and at meet-ups I’ve overheard men refer to us as “baby sex dolls” multiple times. They weren’t always heckling us, either. More like oh I know what this is, it’s those Japanese sex dolls from tv, remember? I’ve never had the guts to actually watch one of these programs but it’s pretty clear what they insinuate about us, even if they might not come right out and say it. I really envy lolitas who don’t have to deal with this.

>>10831954
a lolita told me she was cornered by a few guys when leaving a wallmart, they called her an age play freak and asked her if she wanted to come over, then when she ignored them they followed her a few streets and tried to cut her off. I asked her where they got that idea and she said it's probably the influence of people online who are associating age play with lolita. This was during that time when you couldn't go on pinterest looking for lolita fashion for your board without getting fetish content and when several sites were banning the lolita tag.

I'm from a country where every lolita style that isn't purely gothic lolita or very elegant classic lolita is assumed to be a fetish/sex thing by a lot of people who have also seen those "my strange addiction"/living doll episodes. If you mention the word "lolita" they're also sure it's a sex thing because the book and movies are quite well known.
Years ago when I was wearing sweet lolita and hadn't learned yet to not use the word lolita when talking to non lolitas my brother was like "you're too naive to realize this is a sex thing" and my protests just made it worse.

>>10831954
>>10831975
Damn that's wild. It's not a thing I've ever encountered here but I can see it makes sense that it's worse in some areas of the world. Fuck reality tv in general tho.

>>10831731
It’s true, and really sad. My girlfriend is trans, and she actually disliked the fact I wore Lolita and still somewhat believes that you have to be kinda weird to like sweet Lolita. She was first exposed to it in trans forums where sissies invaded and were clearly not actually trans. So because if this, she still has an automatic reaction that sweet Lolita = ageplay perverts.

She is unlearning this, and actually wants to wear classic Lolita with me, but I still wish she never learned about Lolita through the way she did

>>10831980
You mean *He?

To my knowledge I have never been in the ita thread before, but it's finally happened! I was in the background of an ita's coord pic!

>>10831980
I'm not surprised your gf has that association. Years ago when I was searching online for lolita content I accidentally found myself on a forum called "T girl nation" (I googled it just now and it appears to be gone) which was a forum for people who have a cross dressing fetish (men dressing in women's fashion) but also had members who were trans. There were some discussion threads about lolita, which is why it came up in my google search, but also discussion threads about sissy stuff and humiliation fetishes. It was what you would expect. People were posting outfit pictures of well known lolitas from the western comm and when people asked where they could buy the stuff they recommended sissy websites or ebay.
Some google searches in the past also linked to discussion threads about lolita fashion in age play forums. I remember that some people on "adult baby kingdom" (another forum that is now gone) had actually bought japanese brand and said they were in a lolita comm. I wondered which one.

Horrible, I need eye bleach.

>>10831983
this you?

>>10831800
Oh no, someone has fun outside of Lolita fashion, how horrible. You're just jealous that Tyler can look good in Lolita and club wear and has more to her life than one thing

>>10831821
Fuck you. Tyler was WAY better dressed than Lor.

>>10832010
Ok Tyler

>>10831980
This reminds me of when I was on a gay pron site and discovered a man who wore actual lolita in his sissy videos and I'm sure he was part of some kind of comm, or at least photographed with other lolitas. What made it worse was looking through his older videos and they were all older man/rape-play videos. If I ever find his disgusting ass again I'll post him.

Also please dump your tranny bf, nothing good comes from those relationships.

>>10831996

>>10832000
nta but she looks way better in goth/club wear than she does in sweet lolita. Both Lor and Tyler don't have the face for Sweet, their features are too harsh.

>>10832018
lor doesn't have the face for anything though kek. tyler looks better than lor in general but i don't think she has the face for goff club shit, she's too mousy and plain. the club stuff makes her look kind of like a troon.

>>10832015
Oh fuck I feel sorry for you that you had to see that shit

>>10831980
why the fuck should i care about some tranny's thoughts on lolita it is not for him. btw there is literally no difference between a sissy crossdresser and "normal" trans except one is better at hiding their degeneracy

>>10832000
Are you saying her shitty eyeshadow application and pasties peeling off her chest with seven bondage harnesses looks good? Are you ok anon or did you hit your head?

>>10831996
Nonna please lmao.

>>10831980
A man that is fully convinced he could ever be a woman thinks girls wearing dresses is weird, oh no!

>>10832062
when you put it like that... lol

>>10831980
>tranny "girl"friend

>>10831980
>She was first exposed to it in trans forums where sissies invaded and were clearly not actually trans.
I'll give you a hint as to why: those two are the same, and every discussion of lolita I've ever seen on any trans forums/boards have been related to getting aroused or "skirt go spinny", I've even seen some troons plead with other troons to not get into lolita purely for the sexual arousal because it'll "muddy the image" for the rest of them, hope that helps. Also, don't troons hate gatekeeping and cherrypicking who's trans or not? It's what makes cryptoterfing so easy, so thanks. Doesn't take more than a few pronouns to fool one of you, that's why you have so many sissies.

>>10831590
I find OTT coords quite fascinating, but I wouldn’t wear them out unless to an event. It just isn’t for every day

>>10832076
you know what's up

Lolitas posting links to personal go-fund-me/donation sites need to be stopped. Or even lolitas posting Amazon wishlists, hoping people will just randomly buy them things. I'm so over seeing people beg for money for issues like moving out or medical fees for themselves or their cat. I'm sorry, but most people don't have money to just give away to a complete stranger. Most of the time I see these same people spending money on events/clothes/blah in the middle of asking for donations. I wish it was more taboo to ask people for money on the internet.

>>10832081
Thank you for bringing this up because this really grinds my gears. I hate the begging online, I hate that a lot of these people continue to buy expensive luxury things whilst at the same time begging online. If you can't afford to pay medical fees for your cat/dog then don't get a pet. High medical fees for yourself? Make a gofundme if you must but keep it out of the lolita groups. Ask your family and friends. Sell your luxury items. Yes, sell your brand! Paying your bills should be more important than lolita.

>>10832015
Easily avoidable nonna, don’t watch gay porn

>>10832081
People are actually like this? Why don’t they just get a job and sell their brand?

>>10832081
I’m ok with ones for medical stuff IF and only if they are selling/sold their brand to try to pay for it with that money. Otherwise it’s super tacky. You have things of value, try to sell them before begging.
I do think that one’s for pets are tacky in general; if you aren’t in the financial situation to pay for a big bill if it comes up for your pet, you shouldn’t have a pet.

>>10832107
It’s most likely a scam

>>10832107
A lot of zoomer women are like this

>>10832098
Fuck off, he's apart of a comm and I'm gonna found out which one

>>10832081
lmao reminds me of that one LM user who was begging for money for her pet but was still clearly buying dresses.

>>10831800
no way, where did you get this info? I wanna see this train wreck

>>10832107
A few instances in recent memory (only posting vague details because usernames = vendetta):

-a certain "gluten-chan" lolita who recently moved to Japan asked for donations for a mystery medical procedure
- there was some group of POC lolitas that asked for donations, while using very guilt-trippy language, for a trip that would only include non-white persons
- not lolita, but another jfashion person asked for donations for top surgery and then proceeded to post pictures at a concert, wearing jfashion
- another sort of well-known lolita has her amazon wishlist linked in her profile and constantly posts about it in her stories, mostly asking for home-related goods

There's been a ton more instances of asking for money in the community. It feels really backwards. I specifically don't like the "help so-and-so move out of their unsafe home." If someone is being abused they need to call the police. And odds are, if they don't have enough money to move out, they'll be homeless in a few months when they spend all the donated money.
In any case, wearing the fashion and asking for money is in poor taste.

>>10831602
>>10831618
I bet you think having tattoos, dyed hair, and piercings are also for teens

sucks to suck old granny looking fucks. not all of us have bad genes like you.

>>10832078
if you have confidence, it's an every day thing. if you're thin skinned, keep on wearing classic or old school

>>10832139
So you enjoy being harassed by strange men while dressed up as a toddler? You just need confidence?

>>10832142

Men will harass you whatever you wear . You could be wearing a trash bag and they'll still be making derogatory comments

OTT is not toddler wear and if you think so go touch some grass . I wouls go look at what toddlers actually wear but never know what kind of creep I'm answering to.

>>10832142
moids fuck off

>>10832142
No but I enjoy having a chance to shoot them to death for trying to speak to me

>>10832158
basado

>>10832158
BASED

>>10832081
You mean like toast and lolitadebtcrisis? I’m tired of seeing their cringe asses on my feeds. They beg for money then spend it on trips to Japan and more burando.

>>10832136
Gosh when did Lolita become 2012 Tumblr culture? Sell your lolita and be an adult ffs. It's just bloody clothes.

>>10832107
Probably claiming a "disability" or some other BS reason to not have to support themselves yet still engage in a luxury hobby. "I'm disabled and lolita is my sanctuary!"

>>10832138
> not all of us have bad genes
Huh? I said it only works if you have beautiful skin and whatnot. If you’re so doll-like and unwrinkled as all that at the age of 35 then go ahead, wear your OTT sweet, but then you wouldn’t have felt the need to “clap back,” would you

My confession is that as much as I love how it's relatively easy to rehome unwanted clothes in this community vs. it most likely ending up in landfill, I really hate selling stuff. And it's not even because I've ever had to deal with particularly rude buyers or anything, I'm just lazy. I know they don't pay much but I sometimes just wish I lived in Japan so I could dump all my unwanted stuff at CC and call it a day. Sadly I don't even live near a comm with proper swap meets.

>>10832168
Toast seems like she “moved” to Japan without a job (considering most jobs set you up with an apartment and bank account since it’s harder for foreigners to get and she talked about apartment hunting and getting a bank account), without knowing any Japanese. She probably thinks she’ll get scouted to model or something. I predict she’ll be back in the US once her tourist visa runs out unless she starts working at a hostess club illegally or something (although that’s hard to do without speaking Japanese)

I think it's silly to complain about people with tattoos and piercings in lolita. Not saying you have to like them (I don't) but this is still an alt fashion so there's gonna be "alt" people. It reeks of "lolitas should be lovelies!!"

>>10832189
alt doesn't mean edgy. lolita isn't edgy, this isn't the 80s. alt just means not normie. and tattoos and piercings have been normie for decades.

I hate it when Lolitas start dressing down on meet ups after you have taken pictures but the meet hasn't ended.
Like, yeah wigs and Pettis can be uncomfortable, but it's so weird to see someone in an beautiful or ok coord for only 1-2 hours and then having to sit next to them with their natural flat hair and sad jsk.
Like do they only wear the coord for pictures?

>>10832220
>Like do they only wear the coord for pictures?
Zoomers are guilty of this. They think lolita is just about the pictures and TikToks.

>>10832187
people from usa don't have a tourist visa for japan. she still only has entry for 90 days and it's heavily monitored.

>>10831980
>letting a wholeass man dictate what you wear because it will hurt his feefees
you wouldn't put up with this from a cis man, would you?

I don't like it when Lolitas mix fibres in their coord

LM girls selling their stretched out, damaged burando (coincidentally always with missing waist ties!) for max price. if you're fat just say so and save me the click

foam rocking horse soles need to die. please level the fuck up you're not 14

>>10832275
This is the most autistic thing I've ever read, and I'm autistic.

>>10832279
My pet peeves is when people somehow lose waist ties and other detachable parts of their dresses. Or find it later and try to sell it separately.

>>10832142
All lolita looks stupid to normal people, you idiot. The fact you're such a prick about people in your own fashion must be really isolating

>>10832281
Hey this is the unpopular opinion thread on the anonymous board. What did you expect

I still don't know how someone can loose fucking waistties. What do they do to the dresses ?

i always think that something about taobao dresses looks off for some reason

When people post things like "I'm looking for a pink blouse that will fit a 50inch bust, but it's hard to find anything because brands are so fat phobic". Then people post suggestions of pink brand blouses that can fit said bust but then that person says "it's not my style" or "It's way too expensive, I'm looking for something under 30$ shipping included". Someone suggests "I recommend making your own, it's a valuable skill to have as a lolita" and she says "I don't have the fucking time and I don't have a sewing machine, so now you're telling me that if I want something that fits I have to buy a 200$ sewing machine and invest a boatload of time which I don't have just because brands are too fat phobic to just expand their size range".

Basically anyone complaining about lolitas being elitist meanies, or anyone claiming that brands are fat phobic.
And it's usually the same huge sized americans who complain about brand sizing "I wish AP or any other japanese brand would do x in my size" but then shut their eyes and ears when other brands actually make things in their size. And a lot of these same people who complain about brand sizing would never shell out for brand if it was in their size anyway. They come up with all kinds of weird roundabout answers for why they don't want to buy from brands except "I can't afford it/I think it's too expensive" because they'll never admit that for some reason. The people suggest cheaper alternatives from non-japanese brands but they don't like that either because of quality issues or the idea that it's made from slave labor.
So to sum up;
-brands are bad for not making x in their size
-they would never buy from japanese brands anyway
-they don't have the time and the money to learn how to DIY
-they don't want to buy from chinese brands because reasons
They just want fairies to make their blouse.

Also people throwing tantrums in BSOLF because they asked for advice, got good advice but then didn't like any advice that wasn't kissing their ass and agreeing that their "lolita version of toph from avatar the last airbender" is lolita.

I cannot stand DollBe. Their designs are so awful.

>>10832298
fatties will cut up brand to make it fit them, i don't think they're above tossing the waist ties bc they're already far beyond the max dress measurements

When people take pictures of dresses they intend to sell, then throw the dress into the attic, basement, garage or rented storage outside of their home and then sell the dress without checking the current state of the dress before shipping it.

>>10832298
I wish I had an answer to it. I bought some dresses that didn’t come with the waist ties or brooches. I don’t want others to think I’m the one that lost them however.

>>10832302
I'm an American and I'm embarrassed at how far we've gone to make being fat "okay." Fat-phobia doesn't exist and being fat will never be healthy. Being 10-15 lbs overweight isn't a huge deal, but 50+ lbs and beyond starts to be egregious.
I screamed when people on FB were talking about the recent Milky Planet MTO and how they wouldn't purchase from a brand that "didn't listen to their consumers." Because... AP *is* making clothes for their consumers. They are a *Japanese* brand and of course they aren't going to cater to American sizes suddenly. There are plenty of people who want original sizes to be honored in rereleases. AP has even added a few CM to recent releases and it's just never enough for the morbidly obese.

>>10832275
Leviticus-lita

>>10832314
>They are a *Japanese* brand and of course they aren't going to cater to American sizes suddenly.

ayrt
yeah but when you say this then some people are going to say "AP is an international brand because they have stores in the US, France and China, so they owe us an extended size range. Can you imagine if H&M only made sizes that fit their swedish customers?" like it's the same dang thing.

Nasty attitudes towards fat people do exist (whether you choose to call that fat phobia or not), and fat people are allowed to exist imo and are allowed to wear lolita fashion imo. But I hate it when they complain about all of the stuff I mentioned. What they expect is unrealistic and unreasonable. The entitlement and lack of personal responsibility is what gets me most of all.

95 percent of the posters here are ugly as fuck

>>10832306
i'm going to scream lol

>>10832330
agree but also 95% of lolitas in general are ugly as fuck

>>10832341
who the fuck cares

>>10832330
Lolita is a fashion for ugly girls and women, always has been. The only exceptions are the models (not all) and a few community members.

>>10832348
you, clearly

I know y'all would find me ita, I just don't care enough to change, because I like my style just fine. That said, I don't post my pics online either, because I do prefer not to be publicly mocked.

>>10831598
>cosplay started in Japan
*WHEEZE*

>>10832302
Agreed, I can’t stand these people who come in claiming to want to wear lolita, make a million excuses for why they can’t buy or make the clothes, reject all our advice and then almost inevitably turn around and cry to others outside the community about how mean and unwelcoming the lolita community is. Ma’am what did you want us to do? Wave a magic wand and conjure a bunch of custom coords for you out of thin air? Even that probably wouldn’t be good enough.
I have a close relative who’s like this, and with her I’m pretty sure that lolita represents this fantasy she has about herself where she’s young and thin and cute. She must realise deep down that buying the clothes alone won’t make her thin and pretty, and seeing herself in the mirror wearing lolita but still weighting almost 300 lbs, greasy face, thinning hair etc. will shatter the fantasy. So instead of taking steps to start wearing the fashion she claims to love she sits around saving more pictures of ‘dream outfits’ to her Pinterest board while blaming the universe for cruelly keeping her from this dream.

>>10832396
I don’t want to post a lot of pictures online either, because really I don’t like mockery and not even criticism desu

>>10832396
>>10832414
Do you think lolitas posting online get mocked? When they are, they’re trying to purposely get a rise out of the normies like Gemma and Tempest Page do in their TikToks. Or the shit flinging comes from discordlitas who have no filter and are jealous.

>>10832280
link some non-foam ones then bitch

>>10832396
>>10832414
>>10832418
Same. I wear it almost every day. I don't think my coords are objectively bad, but being older and overweight means getting posted in /cgl/ regardless.
>Do you think lolitas posting online get mocked?
Yes. All the time. Especially the ones who don't fit a certain physical aesthetic. So I'll just be an offline lonelita, because wearing the fashion brings me joy, and I don't need the online acknowledgement.

>>10832419
Have you heard of Vivienne Westwood? They sell wood sole RHS!

>>10832422
>>10832414
>>10832396

Same nonnas. I enjoy the fashion more when I'm not having my photo taken. Other employees at work sometimes take my photo without permission and I can't even tell them no without anxiety because I have to see them every day.

>>10832227
>people from usa don't have a tourist visa for japan. she
That 90 day entry period is a tourist visa basically. Barring any extenuating circumstances you get the visa by default of you come from a country like the US.

>>10831600
Are they at least well dressed?

>>10832341
Why do you think BtSSB's mascot is a bear that wants to be a cute rabbit?

>>10831789
I miss her too, I hope she's doing better

>>10832422
I find that people who claim to "wear lolita every day" are either liars or consider a skirt and a cardigan "lolita fashion."

>>10832430
I hate the shape of the Vivienne Westwood ones. Link some that are chunkier.

>>10832322
I had a good hearty laugh at this one, thanks Anon

>>10832406
I had a friend who was really similar to your relative, was she ever mean or passive aggressive to you?

I heard DH wigs are shit quality, any recommendations on where to buy high-quality ones, preferably in pastel colors?

If you are not dedicated enough to lose weight to fit into brand clothing, then you should not wear the fashion at all.

I hate ouji so much. Please just wear aristo.

black and white striped socks generally look ita and retarded

if you refuse to ship outside of usa/uk you're a lazy asshole

>>10832419
there's this little indie brand called vw, ever hear of it you fucking retard?

>>10832449
oh now i know you're fat as fuck lol

>>10832452
She’s never outright mean but can be super passive aggressive. Whenever I have or achieve something she would’ve liked to have or achieve for herself she makes a point of saying how ‘lucky’ I am, like it just fell into my lap and I didn’t spend months or years working hard for it. We have a lot of hobbies in common but I don’t like to talk to her about them because she always complains about everything. She’s a very negative person in general. I think that’s probably true for most of these types who ostensibly want to wear lolita but don’t make any actual moves towards achieving that.

>>10832480
Are you ESL by any chance? I can't think of how else you reached that conclusion

>>10832486
gee sorry i don't want to spoonfeed this ita with shit taste. sorry i hurt your feelings tho americunt

I like a lot of AATP’s prints but the way their jsks are cut really turns me off

I think Bodyline should just be tossed instead of sold used. I'm so tired of seeing Bodyline clog LM and wish we had something similar but brand or high quality off brand (like Antique Beast) only.

>>10832492
girls in lolita be delusional, post on boards about fatties and meanwhile eat like dog shit on the daily and don't work out

>>10832484
>she makes a point of saying how ‘lucky’ I am, like it just fell into my lap and I didn’t spend months or years working hard for it.


My ex had that attitude. He would say "I don't have your willpower/endurance, I wish I could do X" to excuse the fact that he wouldn't even try beyond a lukewarm attempt. He started acting like anything I accomplished was a personal slap in his face. Meanwhile all he did was go to work, be financially irresponsible (we didn't share finances luckily), spend an unhealthy amount of time gaming and getting fat eating junk.

>>10832501
I don't mind the occasional bodyline pieces on the secondhand market. What I am sick of is seeing the same overpriced listings, the same handmade junk that nobody wants (are those blue and pink bunny bags still up?) and only see damaged versions of the bags I want.

>>10832503
no no anon, you don't get it. Being fat is both an aesthetic sin and a moral one. Being unhealthy but slim is just a moral sin.

>>10832503
did i hit a nerve? i don't have an ed like you nonnie i just don't eat my feelings ):

>>10832506
Idk how to explain to fatties that we can eat normally and not be overweight, we aren't ana-chans LOL the way that gets thrown around on here is such an obvious cope.

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>>10832513
I don't know what fat people assume slim people eat. I've seen the term "rabbit food" thrown around a lot though.
There was a time a few years ago when I made a full english breakfast every saturday. A friend said "I don't know how you're not fat, you're so lucky".... I eat that once a week though, not every day. And some vegans claiming cheese and milk will make you fat. I eat cheese regularly, always have full fat milk in my black tea and use butter to cook regularly as well. Like I don't subsist solely on salads and vegetable stir fries. There's no food group that I've completely cut out. The biggest difference between that fat friend who said I was lucky and myself is that I normally don't snack, rarely have alcohol and that I prepare most of my meals myself. I don't think there's some mystical metabolism I was blessed with. We just have different eating habits.

>>10832501
I donate mine when I don't want it anymore
I think maybe someone will find it and get into lolita that way

>>10832518
nta but i eat whatever i want and work out and manage to keep my weight down. a bit of low weight high rep lifting and cardio every day does wonders. obviously not eating mcdonalds daily, but i never count calories or watch my diet. i notice fatties also tend to "hate water" or complain about sugar addiction. i drink sugar drinks sometimes but water and tea daily and don't get "cravings". it's about not being lazy.

>>10832522
ayrt
I don't hate water but will prefer tea of some kind 90% of the time. The other 9.99% of the time is when I add a slice of lemon or some lemon juice to cold or hot water. 0.01% of the time I'm in the mood for plain cold or hot water. I probably "break" a lot of weight loss/weight maintenance beliefs because I used to do vigorous cardio 6 days a week + yoga and when I stopped doing both I didn't gain weight. I'm still not completely sedentary but I don't do any activity for the sake of maintaining my health or weight.

I had a friend who lost 20lbs fairly quickly because for the sake of saving money she stopped getting food delivered and instead started making more of her own meals. She was still drinking sugary soda and eating crisps (or chips for the americans) and almost lost enough weight to be a healthy weight. I think I am lucky in the sense that I don't like fizzy drinks so I don't crave it to begin with. The only time I was "addicted to sugar" was when I had been restricting calories for a long time, sugary junk was way more appealing back then. When I ate it (especially biscuits/cookies and ice cream) you could see fireworks going off in my brain. Now I'm eating properly junk food just doesn't have that effect on me anymore.

>>10832501
I don't mind Bodyline other than that cherry_sp girl who is constantly selling literally ridiculous, unfathomable amounts of Bodyline. Taobao and AliExpress on the other hand... throw it in the damn trash. Seeing JP brand, Bodyline, and Taobao all lined up at a meet made it clear to me that there are three rungs of quality. Four if you count new vs old AP, for example.

>>10832449
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-baby-victoire-shoes-2021
https://lolibrary.org/items/meta-wood-platform-ribbon-shoes
anon please, brands have always been making RH variants with wooden soles

>>10832441
I think you're just assuming your small experience goes for the rest of us. It's not that hard to wear lolita daily if you're either a student or have a job with a lax dress code. Not everyone wears OTT sweet and many people still wear lolita out but come home and change like anyone would after a day at work. For some it's the reverse and they wear lolita only at home almost as roomwear if they have nowhere to wear it. I've been on both ends of that spectrum though I hardly wear it daily anymore.

>>10832530
I've only ever had 2 taobao pieces and they were a petticoat (which is fine actually, not bad at all imo) and a blouse, I didn't like the feel of the fabric and how sheer it was. I've never owned anything from bodyline, but I want to maybe buy some bodyline blouses or even other pieces from them. So can you tell me how the quality of bodyline compares to taobao? I've also never had any AP stuff because I'm not into sweet, so if you wanna go on a rant about new AP and old AP quality, I'd like to read it.

>>10832441
>or consider a skirt and a cardigan "lolita fashion."
I've seen a lot of bad takes before but yours might be the worst

>>10832441
Well I think they would consider it to be casual lolita

>>10832441
Main piece (almost always a jsk), blouse, petti, headpiece, socks, footwear (not tea parties but passable mary janes, since I'm on my feet a lot). To work. Almost every day. There's a lot more daily lolitas out there than you realize, and I bet most of us aren't posting about it online.

>>10832544
Do people at your work ever give you a hard time?

>>10832540
I have a couple Bodyline blouses and they’re ok. I removed some of the lace because it was kind of yucky and there were a few stray threads to cut. I did lose some buttons on one of them so I suggest reinforcing them before wearing them so you don’t end up with missing buttons while wearing it.

>>10832532
don't help the ita, retard

>>10832546
No, they think it's cute. And at this point, on the rare occasion that I'm not in a lolita coordinate, that's when I get the comments and weird looks.

>>10832540
although bodyline is usually (always?) poly, i like their pieces with cotton lace and the simplicity of the designs since they try to have something for every substyle. their oldschool inspired headdresses in particular have clean, versatile designs and decent lace.
meanwhile with taobao pieces there's always random shit attached to it and the print is muddied with 100 different colors and poorly composed. this might be intentional because without a print and a shit ton of rickrack you'd be able to tell the jsk is made out of basically toilet paper. i've sat next to girls at meets in taobao jsks that are literally see through. on top of that every piece is trying to be 'unique' and never seems to match anything else even from the same brand. they probably appeal to itas seeking to be special and different. have you ever noticed that basically any concept has a corresponding taobao dress? like think of a random animal, you can almost certainly find it on a taobao jsk. they're designed by AI i swear.
i can understand using taobao for a petticoat though since they're purely functional, so long as it gives the amount of poof you wanted and isn't itchy.

>>10832559
IIRC the Bodyline rectangle headdress is a direct replica of BTSSB spin doll headdress

lolita only looks good on the fairest of maidens

>>10832566

>>10832484
Yeah that sounds exactly like my friend. She'd also put herself down constantly too and wait for you to compliment her, I stopped doing it eventually and she got quite upset. Another thing she did was get really awful, unflattering haircuts in obnoxious bright colours, like she was trying deliberately to make herself unattractive.
If it helps I checked on her recently and she's lost a bit of weight, has a nice haircut and looks like she's bathed recently so there's hope.

>>10832441
>consider a skirt and a cardigan "lolita fashion."
That can be and very often is considered lolita fashion though? A JSK or skirt and a cardigan is often my daily outfit for work or anything requiring leaving the house.

>>10832441
But what if my skirt and cardigan are brand?

>>10832607
It’s probably covidlitas who think that only OTT counts because they only wear it for pics/videos for social media. They don’t realize that some people actually wear it as clothes. As long as you’re happy wearing it and it follows the rules, you’re good.

I want to shake these people.
Introducing custom sizing to a brand like AP would absolutely cripple it's manufacturing. Profits wouldn't double, because these same people wouldn't want to pay 2x or 3x the price for a custom sized garment.
So I guess my unpopular opinion is: Posting on a brand's page with this kind of entitled nonsense should get them blocked from the store.

>>10832623
these retards never understand that a garment with a bodice has to be structurally redesigned to accommodate their rolls. this constant fattitude is so draining with the new wave of itas

>>10832532
I own the Metas and they're a foam sole with a wooden sticker on top, although it's a very high quality sticker. Not sure about the Baby shoes.

>>10832623
>>10832625
There have been entitled fat people saying this same thing for years. They're wrong though, profits would not double. They're grossly overestimating how many of APs customers are obese enough to need custom sizing. Custom sizing can be possible if the manufacturing process and scale allows for it. Brands that offer this usually usually have much smaller production runs and nearly always charge extra (as they should).

>>10831585
Why are you all so insane

>>10832623
Even if they did, I know their butterball asses would be complaining about the prices. You can’t win with fatties.

>>10832559
I mean… there’s always some dumbass who wants a print of a trans octopus holding a duck and playing basketball in vomit green colorway with a 500inch waist

>>10832623
If they wanted it that badly, they’d buy 2 dresses (or 3 if they’re that huge) and use the fabric to make a dress that fits. But no, they want a custom dress that fits them perfectly for the same price.

I'm a firm believer that lolitas who claim "I weAr lolita eVerYdAy~" but then say they don't take photos, probably don't do so because their "daily coords" are trash and the pics would be posted to ita threads.

Like lol, try to call it what you want, but your 'thriftshop lolita skirt' or 'closet lolita' coords with ugly ankle boots will never be lolita.

>>10832687
what if i just hate taking photos and don't use social media?

>>10832688
"pics or it didn't happen"

>>10832469
Agreed 100%. Even cute skinny Japanese models look stupid in ouji. I’d love to see more aristocrat, both male and female versions.

>>10832664
Entitled, Karen-lolitas who think the world should bow to their size and make anything and everything completely catered to them. How more toxic could you be?

I always remember the egl lj post of a girl who bought her "dream dress," AP Melty Chocolate JSK, then posted pics of the straps not being long enough to go over her shoulders and literally crying because "ap LIED about the bust size! My bust will fit but clearly their measurements were lies because the straps are TOO SHORT for my shoulders! I'm sobbing now everyone."

She posted pics of her crying while wearing the dress, and people were very quick to point out that her bust size wasn't the issue, but her rib cage. Because this girl was very...built. Big-boned if you will. And couldn't comprehend why her "bust size" wasn't the actual issue.

>>10832687
Just say you're insecure that people were insulting OTT, it's written all over your post

>>10832687
Do you post selfies of yourself wearing work attire or athleisure everyday? When you're going out wearing a t-shirt and jeans? No? Then ACKSHULLY that's because you think you and your normie coords are horseshit and would be posted to People of Walmart.

That's how silly you sound. Lolitas have lives outside of the fashion that occupy their time. Most people only use social media to keep in touch with family and old friends. If someone already doesn't share many pics online, even family pics or food or whatever, why would they post lolita coords?

>>10832699
based
imagine thinking if you don't put it on the internet it isn't real, i fucking feel bad for zoomers and their obsession with putting everything they do online

My unpopular opinion is that I don't think black women are suited for lolita and if they wanted to look good in J fashion they look best in gyaru or hime styles.

>>10832739
I've never understood this. Like yeah if they're fat with a giant nose then they're just ugly, and ugly white people who have those features are also unsuitable for lolita.

But what specifically about having darker skin is so bad for lolita? As long as they're thin, dainty, and pretty then a mere change in one color shade isn't some huge, image-breaking issue any more than having chinky eyes is.

>>10832692
nta but real ass, you bet anyone wearing OTT is going to post. lolita western community is just full of more itas than it is lolitas. now zoomers might do makeup alright, but they have the dormant mine of clolita being a trap to suck them in as newbies

>>10832689
you're the reason i don't post.

>>10832741
It's not just darker skin, if they're a black person with dainty and feminine features (ie. lots of Ethiopian women have these features) they would look beautiful in lolita but 90% of black women don't have those features. It doesn't just boil down to "dark skin" as I've seen middle eastern and hispanic lolitas that look wonderful. The natural hair of black people is also very hard to work with in the fashion, but wigs are already so common in lolita that it's fine to use those and some natural styles look good too. I don't think white women with facial features similar to the ones that black women have that clash with lolita should be wearing the fashion either but it's far less common, usually with white girls the issue is just that they're plain ugly which honestly would be easy to deal with if they put as much effort into their faces as they did with coords.

>>10832739
Idk if this is meant to be sincere or thread-ending bait, so I have no choice but to assume it’s sincere.
What in particular makes you think that black women don’t suit a modest style like lolita but do suit something more revealing like gyaru? Sounds like classic sexualisation of dark skinned women to me. Imo, black women look good in lolita as long as they’re not ugly (same standards as for everyone else) and can even get away with certain colors, especially pastels, that make white and Asian people look washed out.

>>10832739
I used to think this many years ago but I realized it was because all of the black women I had seen wear lolita were overweight/obese and had outfits that weren't proper lolita outfits. Like seriously, the first black woman I had seen claiming to wear a lolita outfit was some offbrand/DIY verging on ita mess that looked a lot more more historical reenactment of the era when black people were slaves in the US. She wore a white mobcap and a white apron over an OP. She was also very fat with a homely face so she ended up looking like a mammy. That was my impression of "black people attempting lolita" so I concluded that black people just didn't look good in lolita.
A while later I saw some black content creators that I thought looked really cute with good outfits. These people were a healthy weight, didn't have super ugly faces and wore decent coords. And when I think about it white fat women with homely faces and bad offbrand/DIY sometimes also end up looking like milk maid reenactors.

>>10832753
Gyaru styles are a lot more makeup heavy so they can get away with contouring and whatnot. Also I never said black women with these features are ugly, the features just don't suit lolita. Heavy makeup used to conceal these features also doesn't suit lolita. Also never said they don't fit modest styles, that's just silly. The only good coords I've seen black women do have been one picture of a sweet coord and a shiro coord which makes sense as these colors compliment the skin tones but again they were the very few types that had dainty features. Not every post that says something about black women on here is bait, you all agree as well and if you didn't there would be more images of good coords of black women posted without it being some clapback to "racism."

>>10832753
>modest style like lolita

modesty isn't about just the amount of skin that is covered. Lolita isn't modest because it's loud, unusual/eccentric, weird looking, etc.

The anon you replied to also never insinuated the reason she thought black women don't look good in lolita is linked to the amount of skin that is covered or not.

>>10832758
nta but it's one or the other. you're assuming what one anon meant.

>>10832756
nayrt but isn't the idea you need dainty features to suit lolita just another way to push eurocentric beauty standards? Like, if not every black woman without dainty facial features is ugly then why does that non-ugly person still not suit lolita? Why is it so important to have dainty features for lolita fashion?
I have no dog in the race because I'm white and don't have rough features, but I just don't understand where you're coming from.

>>10832760
Eurocentric beauty standards in rococo-era inspired fashion? How terrible. *eyeroll*

>>10832759
lolita and gyaru both aren't modest styles. I don't understand why you jumped to "sexualizing black women"

>>10832761
reducing lolita fashion to "rococo-era inspired fashion" is newfaggery

>>10832763
"Lolita is for everyone!!" is newfaggery

>>10832764
I agree, but I see no reason to exclude all black women.

>>10832081
Yeah well it's still not taboo to say 'no' so how about you worry about your own life and seethe less about other people's?

>>10832767
Black women with dainty features can pull off lolita, so I'm not even excluding all of them. Unfortunately I've only seen two examples of this being well done and these features are so rare even in black women that aren't wearing lolita that 90% of them should consider other styles. Or perhaps if everyone didn't jump down throats like this the second something remotely negative was said about black women we could actually give concrit and they could make it work instead of having a flood of black itas.

>>10832762
That person you replied to was not me, the anon you replied to, which is why they said nta.
I “jumped to” saying you’re sexualizing black women because you didn’t provide any reasoning in your original post about why black women don’t suit lolita. You only said, instead of lolita they should try gyaru. The difference between lolita and gyaru aesthetically is modesty. They are both OTT hyper-feminine fashion styles, but one is purposefully trashy and sexy, while the other is purposefully elegant and unsexy. So you saying black women should wear the trashy, sexy one but not the elegant, unsexy one raised an eyebrow. I’m still not sure what features of black women you think don’t go with lolita inherently.

>>10832770
nayrt but begging for money on lolita community pages is just bad manners and makes things awkward for everyone. It's a great way to temporarily slow down comm activity because people don't want to talk about what they bought or have coming in the mail or what they intend on buying when the begger's post gets crickets.

>>10832771
Why do you think people are jumping down your throat? no one has told anyone to kill themselves yet, very civil discussion by cgl standards

>>10832772
I didn't mean you specifically, I could have worded that better. What I meant was the community in general.

>>10832771
if these black women that have features that don't suit lolita according to you, but they're not ugly then why do you care?

>>10832772
I'm not the anon that said black lolitas should wear gyaru instead. I was still curious about the jump to "sexualizing black women" though, let's see what the original anon says.

>>10832775
thanks anon

>>10832776
Well, it's an unpopular opinions thread so I posted my unpopular opinion.

>>10832779
You're allowed to. But people are really curious about where the opinion is coming from/based on. And like another anon said, this is very civil discussion especially for CGL standards.

I think the oldschool trend is really annoying but it also absolutely makes sense holding new and old pieces, especially with bags and shoes by BSSB. I have a BSSB purse from 2007 that has outlived every recent bag and pair of shoes from them that I own. I hope the wagon jumpers are at least appreciating this and maintaining their pieces so they don't get tossed.

I'm so sick of poor people. I don't expect everyone to be able to afford new brand dresses but I swear every newbie now always starts with asking where they can buy lolita for under $30. If you can't pay more than Forever 21 prices for clothes either wait until you get a big girl job or learn to save and wait for deals. These are always the people who go on Amazon or Devilinspired and sort by cheapest and then end up with the ugliest most obviously cheap shit and start crying if anyone points that out.

>>10832687
Do you wear lolita every day?

>>10832821
>where they can buy lolita for under $30

I've noticed an increase in this lately. It's not the best time to be getting into lolita anyway with the state of things, lots of seasoned/established lolitas are now on a no-buy.
What annoys me personally is people who are interested in getting into lolita who say "lolitas are classist, elitist meanies. I can't afford 400$ per dress" and then people give them all kinds of resources for the least expensive options but then the person still says it's not affordable because they need it to be 30$ (shipping included).

>>10832829
If you're in the US, the dollar/yen exchange is favorable to Amerifags. Not $30-for-burando favorable, but a few months ago I got an AP dress on my "If I can get it for reasonable" list that was ¥18K, and it turned out to be $120.

>>10832829
>seasoned/established lolitas are now on a no-buy
What's instigating this? I've been fairly out of the loop the past few years. I sort of fall into the same bucket but I've recently made a choice to build out my Moitie wardrobe.

>>10832838
For me, it's just the lack of anything I want to buy because I've already bought it. Nothing new is coming out that I'd actually drop money for.

>>10832835
I'm happy for you anon :)

I'm on a no-buy as well so I can't really make use of the weak yen. Hopefully the yen will still be weak when I can start buying again.

>>10832838
At first I thought it was just european lolitas who decided to cut down on spending because of rapidly increasing energy costs and food costs because of the war, but then I started hearing about lolitas in the US and Canada also instating no buys. Some of them have told me their cost of living has risen quite dramatically lately, others have told me they have chosen to go on a no-buy because they don't wear what they already have enough as it is. They're challenging themselves to wear what they already own more, and to coord it in different ways. But even if there was no international situation going on it's quite normal for January to be the month that a lot of lolitas instate no-buys for themselves anyway. December tends to strain the wallet.
I occasionally look at LaceMarket and there's nothing for me there anyway even if I allowed myself to buy more.

Also besides that one moitie set that came out I haven't heard any of my lolita acquaintances talk about any new releases they are excited about. I want to hibernate and wake up in spring, hopefully everyone's circumstances will be better.

>>10832518
a friend of mine kept insisting she didn't know why the weight would not come down. then she told me she eats a pint of ice cream every 3-4 days lol

>>10832843
That will do it, lol. Reminds me of the gf of a friend of mine, the gf was doing her best on a diet but couldn't lose weight. Then my friend said "don't tell her I told you this, but she drinks a 1.5 liter bottle of regular coke every day".

>>10832843
i had a friend (had) and her mom would try and control her eating as a teen so she called her abusive. then i stayed with her when i was 20 and saw her eat an entire pan of mac & cheese to herself. some people need a lock on the fridge

>>10832835
That's pretty good, was it a print or a solid?

>>10832843
In my experience this is true for every fat person who mysteriously can’t lose weight. There’s always a daily Frappuccino, XL Snickers or secret stash of Nutella that “doesn’t count” because of reasons. It’s basically an addiction and the first step to recovery is for them to admit they have a problem in the first place.

>>10832897
It could’ve fed (no pun intended) into a vicious cycle, where the mom strictly controlled her daughter’s eating which only made the daughter crave food and binge more. My mom would tell me we both needed to lose weight, and remove anything moderately unhealthy from the house, which would make teenage me miserable and craving sugar. So I’d go buy a massive slice of cake and eat it secretly in the park. Pathetic, yes, but it really is difficult to break out until you understand the cycle.
That’s why my first response to fatties is simply go to therapy. With that kind of person no diet will work until they break out of binge eating.

I miss trashy street style from early 2010 i feel like lolita nowadays forgot where the fashion came from and how punk and anti conformist it was
I feel like western lolita especially US lolita are wearing the fashion as a capitalist statement and try to look clean an expensive instead of expressive themself through fashion
I feel sad about modern minimalist lolita
I feel sad that people just where lolita for picture and not for actual life
looks like everyone just aspire to look like the perfect little girl or pretty little woman in a major capitalist society gaze
let my daily lolitas who don’t give a fuck shine again

>>10832663
Exactly, how else are xey supposed to communicate to everyone within view that xey're a masculine trans man after all

>>10832691
Omg what did people say to her? Did she ever consider just lengthening the straps?

>>10832623
not to be a blog-chan but ive lost 4 kgs in the last month in a half by just cutting down on the soda i used to drink and swapping out junk food for lower calorie stuff. i walk twice a week too but thats about all i can manage (have fucked up ankles from an accident).

it is so so so fucking easy to lose weight if you actually want to. I cannot imagine being such an entitled fucking baby about a problem that is fully in your own power to solve. if you want to wear burando lose weight or buy from meta or a western indie brand that actually caters to you. these people are just pathetic.

>>10832912
Are you twelve or something? Grow up

>>10832956
funny to say when you type such a childish reply

>>10832956
sounds like another zoomer rewriting history. 2010s were when the "kawaii ambassador" shit was happening, nowhere near grungy or whatever she claims.

>>10832967
Yeah exactly, it was never like this. Everybody has always preferred well coordinated people to "punk anti conformist" and criticizing the fashion for being too capitalist is peak retard given the fashion wouldn't even exist without capitalism.

>>10832912
>>10832913
>>10832914
Do you have more you can post? I adore these.

My unpopular opinion is that I prefer OTKs but I'm really insecure about my knees. They just look weird to me and other girl's look fine for some reason.

>>10832972
and she's criticizing it for being capitalist and minimalist? lolita is extremely maximalist and elitist, especially now. it's always been capitalist.

>>10831797
Being a real lolita just means knowing how to coord, having the wardrobe to wear the fashion regularly and actually wearing it. Anything that goes beyond that are just bitter people who want to feel oh so special.

>>10832518
Vegans are retards, what else is new?
It seems both you and the fat people you're talking about don't know what actually makes people fat.
A greasy burger is definitely not good for your health, but it's not going to pack on the lbs the same way a large soda will. Sugar and carbs make you fat.
You probably are slim because of less food overall and less sugar/carbs (if you don't snack that means you aren't loading on the carbs with chips and cookies) - that's why all your rambling about cheese and whole milk and butter is irrelevant. Bad for your health, yes, but not going to make you gain weight like a daily bowl of ice cream and starchy dinners will.
Alcohol can make you gain weight, but going dry is hardly going to help most fat people. I've known plenty of fatties who drink sparingly or never. It's usually going to worsen a problem that's already there, not cause it. Preparing most of your meals yourself also sounds like its better for your health overall and your wallet rather than being the reason you're skinny specifically. An order of McNuggets without fries is going to have a lot less carbs in it than a big heaping bowl of homemade pasta.

People upthread are confusing "capitalist" with "consumerist".
There's a point of overlap, sure. But lolita isn't inherently capitalist unless you're the CEO of a brand, or a career scalper.
It's very consumerist, but I'm not gonna judge anyone for buying things they enjoy.

>>10832977
Most of the retards who criticize capitalism are ironically the most consumerist people who think they're entitled to buy nice things they can't afford and then get mad when they can't pay rent after that because "pOoR pEoPlE dEsErVe NiCe ThInGs!" Like they can't be happy without buying random bullshit.

>>10832991
It's not sugar or carbs specifically, it's calories. Sugar just happens to be easily consumed and calorie dense.
The most reliable and effective way for anyone to lose weight is to track calories religiously. And I mean calculate your energy expenditure and weigh your fucking food. It's a pain in the ass, but it works.

>>10832623
Just... stop being obese. Even overweight people can fit in AP. It's never slightly pudgy people making these comments, it's always hamplanets who's waist makes a circle. Why? Every single article of clothing fits you better when you're not rotund. Call it hating fat people or whatever.

>>10832992
i'm not confusing shit. brand elitism is a product of capitalism and freemarket profit. it's not just consumerist. japan is extremely pro-capitalist.

>>10833003
"brand elitism" is this about not being able to fit in or afford AP or is this going somewhere else I'm confused

I fucking hate selling lolita on LM and I've donated some of my lower valued pieces to thrift shops rather than list them online. I'm sick of always being asked to wait until their next paycheck or to set up payment plans, asking for massive discounts on items I know are priced fairly because it's their "dream dress" or just straight up asking me what the lowest price I'll sell it for is.
You'd think such a consoomer hobby would attract people with more disposable income but I swear half you guys just have a shopping addiction and a credit card

>>10832539
I’m sorry but I can’t understand why anyone would want to wear lolita as roomwear.

>>10832908
the opposite happened to me. My mom would put food on my plate in an amount that was too much for my age and tell me I needed to finish it. During those days I had no interest in food at all. At age 11 I got very self conscious about my thighs so I started to throw away part or all of the lunch I brought to school. At age 15 I was allowed to plate my own food but it immediately led to arguments when I'd get half of the amount of potatoes my mom would have plated for me. As soon as I lived on my own I started to go on all kinds of diets. That wasn't good either, but I still hate the fact that my mom contributed to an unhealthy relationship with food. Despite my mom overfeeding me it never made me overweight, but it was definitely more food than I needed to fuel myself and feel full.
I can imagine that if your mom puts you on a diet from a young age and heavily moralizes food and doesn't allow any balance then you probably develop some issues, become a secret eater, or even start binging. I recommend therapy for anyone who has food issues.

>>10832912
I feel this too. IMO people don't need to be daily lolitas to just wear lolita for the fun and expression of it, I just get the impression that a lot of people wear it for the social media validation. They consider that an essential part of lolita. And it shouldn't be. Also when people look at their wardrobe like a collection, instead of an actual wardrobe. These are the matchy matchy people who don't mix and match their wardrobe items. No creativity or originality to be seen.

>>10833007
no, i meant like how in japan they have super brand loyalty and will scoff at other brands. their meetups are more for brands than the fashion itself.

>>10832991
I know exactly what makes people fat. It's overconsumption. Doesn't matter what it is. Snacking and drinking soda (or any other liquid calories) just makes overconsumption easier to achieve. I prepare most of my meals myself because I was never raised any other way. My family didn't snack so neither did I, my family rarely went out to eat (once a year or less) and rarely got food delivered at home (4 times a year max) so when I started living on my own those were the habits that were ingrained in me. And I didn't feel the need to change those things.

>>10833010
>or just straight up asking me what the lowest price I'll sell it for is.

I think this is reasonable to ask since it saves everyone a lot of time. The other interactions sound extremely annoying though. Second hand selling is just an annoying activity that requires a lot of patience. If your prices are reasonable just stand your ground and tell them no.

>>10833011
I agree it's weird to wear a regular lolita outfit as room wear. Just get lolita specific roomwear. It's more comfortable and washes easier.

>>10833026
experimenting at all gets you posted to the ita thread.

some autists get in a rage about their subjective feefees now in what they think is ita. to experiment, you genuinely have to not give a fuck about this community at all

>>10833034
yeah but the thing you don't need to take pictures of your experiments at all, or when you do take pictures of those experiments you don't need to put them online.

>>10833038
Nta and no dog in this fight but we already have people itt whining that you're not a "real lolita" if you're not an internet addict that takes and posts high quality photos every time you wear lolita.

>>10833042
I think a lot of people these days consider taking pictures of every coord and sharing it online a vital part of wearing lolita. They are the embodiment of "pics or it didn't happen". People who wear it on a daily basis simply don't have the time for that, so I can understand that if you wear it only occasionally you feel the need to take a picture.
But I also remember a time when even if you did only wear it occasionally it didn't mean you took pictures of it. I know I'm one of the oldfags here. Back in the days before smartphones we had digital cameras with really shitty resolution (and those were expensive too) and taking pictures was really difficult because there weren't any bluetooth remotes or voice activation afaik. So even if you had a digital camera it was going to be a grainy mirror selfie or you had to take tons of pictures with the timer to get one usable one. If you had a friend with a really good camera or another lolita showed up at the meet with a good camera that is what eventually ended up online because those pictures weren't grainy and shitty.

>>10833042
cont;
These days you can take really clear pictures with your smartphone (and good lighting). Also the way internet culture has changed so everything is super visual. If you don't put out content with your body and face in it (because we are all content creators these days in a way) on a regular basis you pretty much aren't a real part of the community. The community values discussion and concrit a lot less than we used to. In the past there was no pressure to put your pictures (with your body and face in it) online very often in order to be considered part of the community. We would share pictures of stuff we bought or made pretty often, but taking worn coord pictures was a hassle. But even the most popular comm members didn't share their own coord pictures as often as everyone does now. I'm afraid I cannot communicate how stark the difference is, I think people who entered in the social media era won't truly get it.

Whenever I have tried to engage in the community the way a lot of people do now, with posting everything they buy and wear online, the praise and the surface level comments (this is cute!) just feel like empty praise and it makes me feel empty. What is meaningful to me are comments that aren't just surface level but about the subject matter. I also appreciate praise from people with the same tastes. This is why I don't upload to my IG, the likes from random strangers would make me feel worse.

>>10833048
>I think people who entered in the social media era won't truly get it.
I get it because even though I wasn't a lolita back then, I was online from 2005 on. Back then, everyone was their avatar or persona and you didn't know how most of your online friends looked.

Confession: I am a daily lolita but I rarely wear a petticoat to work

>>10833052
that's a good point and quite accurate. There was also the idea that it was risky to put pictures showing your face online back then because it attracted loads of creeps. Our non lolita friends and parents told us that, the worst part is that it was true. So lots of us wouldn't put our own pictures publicly on our own LJ page, but we would share more in certain LJ groups or forums where we felt random people couldn't just look us up.
But there were loads of creeps and fetishists lurking on LJ even on EGL LJ. So it was possible they would have seen your picture on one of the comm pages and then start sending you messages or start commenting on your own LJ. I like that we can just block people now. If that was possible in those days I don't even remember.

>>10833026
>when people look at their wardrobe like a collection, instead of an actual wardrobe.
I feel like I understand the "collection" mindset more now than years ago though. A lot of us had wardrobes that quadrupled in "value" overnight, and we became scared to damage a piece that was now worth significantly more than we paid for it and is nearly impossible to find again due to demand. I think as long as you wear lolita sometimes, it's okay. I guess I'd be annoyed if it was someone who had never worn a single piece, but that seems pretty rare.

>>10833032
>I think this is reasonable to ask since it saves everyone a lot of time
Nayrt, but I disagree. It's rude to immediately ask someone their rock bottom price. People should assume that the price posted is what the seller wants. Maybe it's okay at a swap meet, or maybe it's okay to ask for a slight discount depending on how long the item has been listed, but asking for the "lowest price" just reeks of someone thinking they are special and should get the best deal.

>>10833058
besides any of that, the price listed is the price it is. its a bit weird that people feel like asking for 10, 20, 50+ dollars off of a 200+ dollar dress they're likely already getting at a steep discount compared to retail.

>>10833058
>A lot of us had wardrobes that quadrupled in "value" overnight

Some old school items I considered selling in 2018 and looked up the resale value of now go for double the price.

>>10833058
>>10833062

I tend to agree. Although I did run into a situation where someone listed a bag that I wanted which also looked like it was in a really good condition, but the price she wanted for it was way more than retail price even though this wasn't a rare or sought after item. I asked some people in my comm for advice and they recommended that I would just contact the seller and ask her if she would sell it for the X amount (just under retail price). The seller told me she bought the bag at a convention and she was looking to make her whole investment back. I told her I understood and that I would wait for another seller to sell the bag. She ended up contacting me and we agreed that the amount I would pay was the same as the retail price of the bag (and that included shipping which was under 10$). I thought this was reasonable seeing as the bag was in good condition from the photos and the description. A few months later another listing for the same bag popped up for 20$ less than what I paid for it but I don't regret my purchase.

The market resale value is determined by what people are willing to pay for it, so if someone is overcharging then you could still argue not to contact them and that they'll eventually lower their price but that takes a lot of time and some people never learn. They just keep relisting the same overpriced stuff again and again. I sped up that process. That's not the same as low balling someone, which I think is terribly rude. Low balling would be offering considerably less than the market resale value.

>>10832440
Girls, she’s back!

>>10832530
Same. I don’t mind people selling their few Bodyline pieces, but cherry_sp is so annoying always clogging everything up with her ugly shit

>>10832559
Nah, Bodyline sells a lot in cotton. That’s the best thing about them. My Bodyline cotton blouses are pretty decent

>>10832780
The opinion is based on racism. You finding people attractive or not doesn’t determine what they can wear. I don’t care if black women wear lolita, as long as they fit in it. Obese people always look bad in lolita, no matter what race

>>10833055
Yeah I vaguely remember one girl posting photos from a com meet to some fetish website and getting caught back on LJ?

>>10833084
it rings a bell. That kind of stuff definitely happened. There was loads of drama.
Lolita burger, unseelie allure, lolita_fucks, getoffegl, loli_secrets, lime crime, people bullying faunkegin and redtonic.

>>10833084
That was unseelie_allure. She posted meetup pictures to a dollification forum and implied that all the girls in the pictures (some of whom were underage) were into that fetish. One of the replies was literally just
>ABDUCT ABDUCT ABDUCT

Also it was pretty common for a while for sissification fetishists to steal coord pictures of female lolitas and add text blocks that said these lolitas were actually boys who had been forced to wear dresses by their female relatives or classmates. I regularly ran into these on Pinterest and reporting them often didn’t do much since there wasn’t anything explicitly sexual about them. Only the girl in the picture could object to her image being used that way, and if it did get taken down it would just be replaced by a new one with a different girl. It was common knowledge that by posting your photos publicly you ran the risk of ending up in some man’s fap folder. I often feel like the community as a whole has become much more naive since then, despite the increased visibility and normalisation of kinks and fetishes.

>>10833154
it's not that the community is naive, but the fact that fetishes are normal now. people are more aware of them but also less judgemental, which is completely stupid and hypocritical.

>>10832967
You're an idiot.
>>10832972
So are you.
>>10832910

>>10833154
Jesus Christ, yes that's the incident I was thinking of thank you

>>10833154
It happened in my comm too. Fucking vile. I wish kinster would understand what consent means. You can do what the bloody fuck you want but stay in your lane and don't interact outside of you fucked up bubble. I don't want to see or get involved

We are not bitchung enough about innocent world. Everybody has an opinion about how shit ap has become, but have you seen the recent iw releases ? They don't look like Lolita at all. It's not ugly poly shit, but it's so boring and the siluette is all wrong. The skirts are way to long and when was the last time they released a jsk ?

>>10833172
Their socks are still dope and I think they're evolving as their customers mature so I can't hate them for it. but I miss old IW

I really don't like pictures where the camera is on the ground pointing up, even with a good coord it looks unflattering and creepy

>>10832484
>>10832606
Genuine question but is there a way to respond to these kind of people in a way that doesn't enable their shitty negative behavior without making you the 'bad guy'? Or is the only option to grey rock them? I've met a few people like this over the years in my local comm who didn't show this side until we got closer and they dropped the formalities and I don't exactly know how to react now. What's worse is they always seem to be really social so they are pretty well because they keep that behavior in check with casual friendships, then turn into an entirely different kind of person when alone with me.
>one of them started talking shit about other comm members to boot

>>10833165
old school was not in the 2010s

I hate people who try to bring politics into lolita, or people who post lots of social justice woke shit, or the admittedly small but-still-there opposite that post conservative shit on their feeds. I just want to see cute fashion, not shit takes on society.

Related, I'm also fed up of fat lolitas complaining about everything. I feel empathetic to people struggling and TRYING to lose weight, or those with actual medical conditions, or I don't even mind if they accept they're fat without complaining, but the lack of self-responsibility in some of the fat lolitas I see is remarkable. I say this as someone who has gone from an obese BMI of 32 to BMI 19, stop blaming brands or other people for your problems.

Also, not sure if this will sound bad, but my worst experience with other lolitas has been with those with EDs (though I suppose the previously mentioned fat lolitas likely struggle with binge eating EDs), either rail-thin or used to be rail-thin but became the most vocal fat HAES advocates - stop blaming other people for your problems, it's not my fault or a brand's fault you have no concept of moderation, sorry. The mood fucking sucks when there is a skeleton lolita at a food or afternoon tea meet and they bring up starving after because they "ate too much", its happened more times than I'd like it to. A lolita meet isn't a pro-ana safe space nor is it a HAES fat acceptance safe space, just talk about normal things that won't make people you barely know other than having a similar sense of fashion uncomfortable.

>>10833172
I really miss their sweet leaning phase more than anything. Especially their prints.

It really depends on the jsk, but for some cuts, especially low waist, it actually looks more flattering to have a little bit of a bust than to be completely flat.

>>10831585
Confession: I hate people who buy a dress, wear it once or a small handful of times, then turn around and sell it and buy a new dress. It feels a lot like trend-hopping and like these people have no identity of their own, and thus no cohesive wardrobe. They just wear whatever is trendy at the moment, regardless of whether they actually like it or not. Ditto with people who buy the dress and never wear it before selling (not to be confused with scalpers who buy it to upsell for it).

>>10833189
Thank you, I needed this rant. I couldn't agree more, especially about the ED-Lolitas.
I also have to add trad wife Lolitas, they can be horrid if you encounter them

Don't ask Lolitas for dips on their dresses when they never showed interested in selling it. I can understand wanting a dreamdress real bad, but please just don't.

>>10833195
It's the shopping addiction. They don't get happy from wearing the fashion, they only get happy from the buying.

>>10833196
I'm fortunate to not have met any in my area, but definitely have seen them online, any lolita super into politics on either side is insufferable to me, I just want to see cute outfits. I've met a handful of openly ana-chan lolitas and they are the worst at meets, I'm sympathetic to their ED, but god I used to avoid one of them like the plague in my old comm because they used to constantly get triggered about food (I wish they got banned from food meets).

>>10833172
current IW is not interesting anymore. The problem I have is not with the length of the dresses (it's possible to do long length dresses well), it's the style. It's just so bland.

>>10833194
low waist? You mean dresses that have a waistline that sits on your waistline (aks "just waist")?

>>10833200
I used to have AN, I'm just trying to be healthy and normal now and I would hate if there were any vocal ana-chans at the meet making things uncomfortable for everyone. Granted I would feel almost just as uncomfortable if someone went on a HAES rant. Like, please don't talk about dieting, starving, health and weight when I'm eating.

>>10833203
no retard. low waist sits below your natural waist.

>>10833203
Yeah, sorry that was stupid from me

>>10833207
I know that's what it means, smooth brain, but loads of people get it wrong and call a normal waist a low waist when talking about dresses or a call a normal waist a high waist when it comes to skirts and jeans.
Low waisted dresses are so rare in lolita I was sure anon just got it wrong and was misnaming things.

>>10833208
no problem, and I tend to agree that it looks better to have some boobs than be completely flat because the bodice is much longer than the raised waist dresses we see so often.

>>10833209
>Low waisted dresses are so rare in lolita
no, they're not.

>>10833211
yes they are, salopettes aren't dresses so those don't count. Where are all these low waisted dresses by japanese brands? I'll wait, you can post them here.

>>10833212
Anon, you don't know what you're talking about.

>>10833216
I'm still waiting for all of those low waisted dresses by japanese brands.

>>10833212
NAYRT. On Lolibrary there are 5 pages worth of JSKs and OPs tagged 'dropped waist' from AP and Baby ALONE. That's without AtePie or AaTP or Meta or any other JP brand, and without skirts. I'm not saying it's the most common cut, or that it's not more of a mid-2000s lolita phenomenon, but asking "where are all the low waisted dresses" feels pretty silly.

>>10833218
no one is going to spoonfeed a newfag.

Lolita is kinda more chill with weight than other fashion, yeah even with brand. Yes you should be on the thinner side, but you don't need to have a flat stomach or highly visible collarbones. Look at y2k

>>10833068
The queen has returned!

>>10833218
Low waist is literally one of the tags on lolibrary and Victorian Maiden has lots of dresses with a dropped/low waist.
You are for sure a newfag or a sweetfag but either way please stop talking

>>10833219
>>10833220

Most of the results aren't even true low waist dresses, they are A-Line jsks without a horizontal waist seam (like btssb's Scallop Tartan Check jsk), still fitted at the waist and have a bunch of rows of ruffles for the lower skirt part. Or fitted at the waist dresses that have a horizontal seam at the bust. There's zero consistency with the tag. A true dropped waist isn't fitted at the natural waist. An example of an actual dropped waist dress is https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-cotton-frilled-doll-op

https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-cotton-doll-low-waist-op

https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-jsk-23j-2072

https://lolibrary.org/items/aatp-ellise-jsk

This just boiled down to an argument about semantics and those are never fruitful so I'll exit through the front door with my fashion degree.

>>10833222
This. I used to wear lolita daily and never realised how forgiving it was until I started wearing other things. I've always been thin, but back when I never even exercised lolita hid pretty much everything I didn't like about my body. If you have a flabby stomach, upper arms, or big thighs etc. no one would ever know once you put on a full coord. Same with if you're extremely thin. So many anachan lolitas hide behind the layers and layers of clothing. There's a few A line dresses that require you to have a slim waist but most lolita is extremely forgiving weight wise. If you're tall, busty or if you have broad shoulders you'll have more of a problem, but I've seen plenty of slightly overweight short girls fit into brand just fine. Like you said, y2k and even egirl fashion is a lot less forgiving.

>>10833233
>fashion degree
enjoy working at mcdonalds forever.

>>10833250
I work at a museum that has a collection of antique and vintage garments. After I graduated I was lucky enough to have never had to take a minimum wage job. It sounds like you're one of those people who looks down on service jobs.. fuck you.

>>10833195
There's a bunch of reasons why someone would do this that has nothing to do with "trend-hopping", though. It kinda comes with the territory of having to buy pretty much everything online. You buy a dress online and once you get it, there's something about it you don't like in person - the colors are maybe different from the stock photo, the measurements are off, it doesn't fit like how you'd expect or looks weird once it's on your body, and so on. Isn't it better to sell it and use that money to get something that does actually fit and look better on you than just keep a dress you don't like around?

>>10833195
Buying online is a gamble, I don't hold it against anyone who got something only to realise it didn't sit right on them, was different than the pictures, the wrong size, or just not what they expected. Esp given how even AP is in the toilet lately quality wise.

I'm not actually sure how unpopular this opinion is, but I really don't like large, centred headbows. You know, the "staple" lolita hair accessory. Hairclip bows, rectangle headdresses, even those strange 2000s circle headdresses, they all just look cuter... IMO.

>>10833161
It's funny because as people have become more accepting and aware of fetishes, consent isn't catching up with it. I've had multiple conversations that go:
>i'm not comfortable with this.
>why?
>i don't like it and i want it to stop
>well, you shouldn't be like that. it's normal so you should be comfortable with it.
Kinksters love talking about consent, but they never fucking practice it. They never stop when somebody expresses that they don't want to be in it and on the same breath will sperg about comfortability and naturality. Fuck off. Constantly. This same interaction over and over when talking to kink people like a broken record because they literally cannot fathom living in a world without cooming
>just because someone fetishizes feminity doesn't mean they fetishize lolita, teehee! i'm so smart!
>you shouldn't be uncomfortable with someone making collages of you, they can't help it! you're kinkshaming!

>>10833184
I'm the anon with the friend. My relationship ended with her when my boyfriend who had been close friends with her for many years saw what a nasty, manipulative bitch she was in person.

He knew I didn't like her but he wanted to see her again and I agreed and said I'd be nice. I was as friendly and positive as I could possibly be with her and she was still a nasty, bitter cow and deliberately brought up an incident that she knew would upset me and trash talked one of my good friends who she'd never even met.

After we all went home she messaged my boyfriend and told him that I was a horrible person and she had no respect for me and a lot of other hypocritical garbage. He blocked her on everything but she messaged him on an old phone, he called her out on all her shit, she apologized but also made excuses, we haven't spoken to her since.

It's worth noting that we had almost no mutual friends left at this point because she had spread malicious lies about everyone and we all knew it so nobody even cared about this, a couple of people laughed when they found out. I'm not sure how to handle this with com members but chances are most people are aware of what she's like and probably don't like her anyway.

Sorry for the essay

>>10833068
>>10833224
I'm so happy,she looks great blonde too!!

>>10833268
They're called head eating bows and they've been polarizing forever.

>>10833272
It's availability bias...the bad actors are obviously the only ones you know are into kink. Most people follow community advice to practice consent above all, and you wouldn't know that because they keep it private.

>>10833279
The hair suits her so insanely well, I'm so happy she's back

I actually like to talk politics with other Lolitas, but only actual politics, not which book you're allowed to read or something.
Speaking of which:
Everybody should shut the fuck up about harry potter.
I don't fucking care, both sides really fucking sucks. Harry potter is your life ? Sounds like a real fucking sad life. Go Play slave simulator 2023 if apparently you're going to die if your not consuming HP stuff 24/7.
Rowling sucks ? Big news, most rich people really suck and have shit opinions. If she really wants to help woman, she should give a lot more money and not sit on her ass in a giant manor.
Also most potter heads have the worst coords, it always looks like fucking cosplay. I don't care if you are wearing a petti or if it's "brand". It looks like cosplay.

>>10833323
Rowling lost her billionaire status because she donated so much of it. IIRC she recently set up a women's charity with her own money

>>10833500
That's good to hear

>>10831789
Are there any lolita youtubers that still post regularly and aren't cringe?

>>10833745
dodo the extinct maybe, also tutu_anan, perhaps candice bear or eternally enchanted, but you're right because nearly all of the lolita youtube channels I am subscribed to are cringe in some way. I don't look at it from a pov of "are they cringe?" but "how cringe are they and what am I willing to put up with?". I unsubscribed to fluffy kawaii Jo because of (among other reasons) lethal levels of cringe. I'm barely holding onto my subscription of Ellie Vyra because she's approaching critical cringe levels as well. Btw I don't subscribe to lolita youtubers based on how much their style is like mine but rather if I think their content is either entertaining or informative (reviews, etc) in some way.

>>10833746
Thanks for the suggestions
I can put up with a certain amount of cringe so long as they aren't spouting retarded opinions about politics or anything going against the basic rules of lolita.
Also even though I'm really not a fan of sweet lolita I've come to terms with the fact that it is one of the most popular kinds so I'm okay with watching them so long as they are informative/entertaining.

>>10833753
if I were to stick with youtubers that were into gothic lolita or old school sweet I'd be subscribed to only a tiny few and all of the old school channels I am aware of are cringe. I really like many of ophelia's outfits (here come the haters) but her youtube is pretty bad. I can't even bear to watch the shorts sometimes. She likes to make content that looks like it was shot on a super old digital camera from the late 90s or early 2000s to trigger that nostalgia. It's a choice. Pure rae does have nice coords sometimes but she's too inexperienced to be confidently giving advice. I guess I am subscribed to all lolita youtubers except for taobao addicts. I don't feel the need to watch every lolita video that pops up in my subscriptions feed either. I add them to a lolita playlist and decide to remove them or watch them later. Dodo is the only youtuber lately I've consistently enjoyed content of. "OK bloomer" is also on my maybe unsubscribe list. I only get through her videos when I'm handsewing something, and even then I am guilty of skipping through the video.