RIP Boz

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Atelier Boz is an iconic gothic Harajuku brand that recently announced they must close.

post your fav Boz coords, pieces, memories, etc.

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That's terrible news! They're my favorite brand!
Where was the announcement?

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>>10664054
on their website

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Apparently one of the designers has permission to use the designs and factory, so Boz won't die completely.

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>>10664057
good to jear

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>>10664057
Well, not ALL is lost

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>>10664062
Gorgeous. I hope they re-release this before they close.

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>>10664083
Seeing how their timeline is to discount everything in sept, I dont think they will release anything new.

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alas, some brands are so goth, they must become dead.

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>>10664214
RIP Putumayo as well

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I deeply regret not purchasing the short version of this dress the moment they had fatty chan sizes available. RIP.

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>>10664278
how is she so perfect

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@vanitas420 Boz dump

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Everything on Boz's site sold out so quickly, I'm starting to wonder if there will be anything left for their sale.

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>>10665059
I was just browsing through yesterday and saw this... I had been planning to buy that new strappy blouse when they were previewing it and thought I could take my time as usual; did not expect the sudden closure announcement to have everyone making a run on Boz. I'm pissed.

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Yeah. Not only did they rush to buy shit on Boz, it caused something from Miho I was waiting to buy to sell out as well. It looks like people rushed tf out of goth brands.

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>>10665124
>It looks like people rushed tf out of goth brands
that sounds great

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This might be rude but any goth taobao lolita brands that dont look batty/tumblr? tia

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>>10665241
go to the goth thread, this is for boz and only boz

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their denim pieces are so good & so underrated

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>>10664057
how did you find this out?

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>>10664057
Which designer tho. :|

We need to know.

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>>10665493
The lolita updates thread on fb

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>>10665323
and still available through KERA shops as of last night

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>>10665518
Too late for that, kerashop will be returning all their extra stock to boz now.

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>>10665527
heck

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>>10665527
…hopefully that means boz will ‘restock’ their website that everything appears to be currently sold out? Fingers crossed

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>>10665548
Sadly no, I dont think you will have much luck. They dont keep separate stock online, so the chance you will beat someone who can go to the store irl is slim. Everything is sold out because there literally is no stock, and Kera only had a few stuff still in stock by the end.

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>>10665549
Ahhh that’s sad but at least i will save money this month then. Hoping the designer who will take over boz designs will have new things out soon! I wanted giulietta, maybe she will show up 2ndhand

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>>10665550
god, let's hope, anon. I should have bought it when i had the chance.

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Saw this here: https://stephano.me/blog/atelier-boz-closing/

“So sorry to speak Japanese [草泥马].
I’m sorry for closing the brand suddenly. I had a discussion with the current president and we decided to close the brand.
After the closure of the brand, I will create a new brand. After the brand closes, I will create a new brand, and the current president is supporting me for that.
Fortunately, I was given permission to use the same patterns and sewing factory as Atelier Boz, so I can promise you the same high quality as before!
We’ve been working on a lucky pack for the end of the year, which will be released in November or December.
It will be sold under either Atelier Boz or the new brand name!“

We're really lucky to hear that the designer Rachel Yamamoto will take on a new brand from Boz.

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>>10666067
Does that sign say European traditional clothing? I wish!

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>>10665613
What's the reason for the closure? Wouldn't it make sense to continue working with an established brand that has brand recognition?

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>>10666306
Covid. Please to basic research before being this dumb.

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>>10666306
I feel it is also down to the usual case of “difficult to order from if you are overseas”. Think they only recently started international shipping. It is a shame the better quality brands like Boz and Mary Magdalene could not get the overseas market sorted out like some of the cheaper brands have done. It would have expanded thier market enough to possibly stay afloat through online sales.

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>>10666338
>she thinks the overseas market is big

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>>10666346
>thinks the overseas market is small

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>>10666347
the overseas market isn't as important as you think.

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>>10666352
It could easily be the difference between closing or staying open. For sure the annoyance of their site means that there was a bit of a barrier, but their flaw was that they never really advertised much on sm that they had. They have a ton of ig followers but barely post. Atelier Pierrot, Meta, Ap, and Moitie have all increased their online presence in the last year or 2, with youtube, tiktok, ig lives and twitter posts

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>>10666352
Considering the sizing, I disagree. They've been making clothes that can fit taller people for a long time. Just a hint, there's not many people above 4'9 in Japan.

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>>10666357
What are you talking about, the average Japanese woman is 5'2''

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>>10666371
>5'2

Nope. Unless they are making these dresses for men in Japan, then no.

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>>10666374
That can’t be right. I used to work in Japan and people were short, but not that short. Is this stat from the 80s?

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Oh I see, you got it from that seo bait site livejapan (which contradicts those stats on a different page on the same site). Here’s a better source. Average height for young women is 5’2-5’3”.

https://nbakki.hatenablog.com/entry/Average_Height_of_Japanese_2018

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>>10666396
>https://nbakki.hatenablog.com/entry/Average_Height_of_Japanese_2018
Personally, I'm going to trust something that has the data charted out a bit better than that.

This one has 2019 listing. You can download it into a spreadsheet. It still lists 4'9 as average height. If you need to compare where they are actually getting the data, it's on that sheet too.

https://www.nibiohn.go.jp/eiken/kenkounippon21/en/eiyouchousa/kekka_shintai_chousa_koumoku.html

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>>10666396
>https://nbakki.hatenablog.com/entry/Average_Height_of_Japanese_2018
Also you literally said average height for young woman, not average height of all females within Japan. Literally, there are two different data points here and I stated above that the national average is 4'9. It still stands, you can't just use a data point for a small sample size (age) and say it's national average.

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>>10666407
Yeah, I'm sure Atelier Boz was trying to cater to all the elderly Japanese lolitas.

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>>10666416
Honestly younger lolitas would likely be taller than older ones. From my experiences in Japan and just how height increases over time in many societies as they develop and diets change, elderly Japanese adults, women especially, are likely to be shorter than younger women despite being fully grown because of nutrition improvements for the younger generation often leading to them growing taller or bigger. Most Japanese teen girls I saw (middle-high school based on their uniforms) were often taller than myself and the office ladies I'd see. I'm about 5'2 for reference so about average for Japan statistically, but most people were taller than me other than little old ladies. This was Kyoto, idk what the difference may be in different parts of the country. It could also be that the average isn't representative of what most people's height sits around, maybe Japan has a lot of very tall and very short people on either end and not a lot of people actually in the middle but the average is that in between number.

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>>10666424
>the average is that in between number.

It could be due to diets and generational cross breeding (you know, mutt genes) that might make them taller. That'd make central cities more predominate for taller genes, as well considering a lot of the old gen is out in the boonies, there.

But regardless, sizing of clothing is typically based on average height. Maybe Boz really is agender in the way it decides it's sizing, but it's been larger/taller than the majority of average Japanese women's heights. I'm 5'2, even with the majority of 'young' Japanese girls being 5'2 argument, Boz would still be too long/too big on the majority of them. Because, I know my measurements and there's no way they are not literally swimming in M+ sizing.

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Why does discussion about sizing always devolve into eugenics?

Their sizing is definitely tall lolita friendly. International market has tall people. It would have helped. That's it.

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>>10666441
My comment wasn't about eugenics at all lol. I was just discussing my height in relation to Japanese women I lived around for years and the fact that height and weight tends to increase amongst people in countries that adopt certain diets like eating more meat which Japan as well as other Asian countries have been doing more of over time.

And the fact that better nutrition in general can lead to people being taller, and older people from a while ago are very likely to be shorter than people in a modern society as current kids' nutrition is often better than their great grandparents. You sometimes see it in kids from the same generation. Ex: my Filipino friend who was raised part of her childhood in the Philippines is shorter than me at about 5 feet, but her younger sister who was born and raised in the US in an environment where they had better access to more nutritious food is like almost a foot taller. It is to be fair just speculation and I can't guarantee that that is the specific cause but like, it has nothing to do with race or eugenics to point out that giving a growing kid more nutrients might make them taller than them not eating as well. That's why neglected or very poor children frequently are the size of kids years younger than their actual age. Not saying all Japanese kids were poor or neglected but living standards there increased rapidly over a short period of time due to industrialization like they do everywhere when that happens.

Tldr: eat more grow bigger maybe?

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you guys will argue about anything to convince yourselves that you matter

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>>10666441
Also to add, I never said their sizing was unfriendly to westerners at all, was just giving thoughts on the "average height" stuff. Plus even if lengths/heights aren't catered to westerners specifically, that doesn't mean it isn't accessible to taller westerners who want to wear the brand.

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>>10666346
China is pretty big?

>>10666338
There was a time when MM was focused on China, they probably could have survived if they didn't have Farutetto fuck up ;_; I wonder how bad the dresses looked. I have a hunch that if it was AP, they would have sold the dresses anyways.

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Ignore this >>10666441 anon. The majority of these boring AF unemployed or part time lolitas on this board add no value and think their shitposting opinions matter.

But I see where you're going with the better nutritional diets causing taller heights in Japan. I still think it's predominately around the city area, just in general they would have a lot more convenience and access to food they didn't normally. There's been pretty big influence from the West in general in their culture, predominately you see it in the 90's and on. I wouldn't doubt all the Micky D's probably would encourage taller heights too.

I'd probably assume it's not just nutrition with the US, though. We have growth hormones in some of our food in the US. There's some finicky stuff with food here, because of what we use to make things 'plumper.' By extension, those hormones also end up in the body of whoever is eating it on the regular.

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>>10666459
I've heard of growth hormones causing earlier puberty in girls but not height neccesarily. I started puberty between age 8 and 11 and am still short after. It does makes sense though. There are also cultural height things like that one country in Europe where most people are insanely tall because they always just found tall people more attractive so tall people are getting with other tall people and having tall babies.

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>>10666467
they give growth hormones to really weak small children in the US to help them grow taller.

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>>10666467
Also ended up having puberty way earlier than usual, so that would explain a lot. I was also towering over the other kids at 8-10. It didn't last long. lmao.
I'm guessing the excessive estrogen probably has a different effect on men, though. Anytime I see a beefy guy in the US, they are also usually tall AF.
Had an ex bf with boobs despite being not fat-fat just thick, he was taller than usual and was a lot more of a large human. Men having boobs usually makes me think it's excess estrogen in general. I wouldn't be surprised if it had that effect on guys.

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>>10666299
it has long been their slogan

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>>10666447
Your assumptions about height based on some assumed lack of nutrition is. Not everyone in the world was deprived of nutrients like Europe was.

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>>10666515
>https://www.kikkoman.co.jp/kiifc/foodculture/pdf_09/e_002_008.pdf
>It wasn’t until the westernization of Japan during the Meiji
Period (1866—1912) that the Japanese were finally able to
overcome the centuries of social taboo against meat to enjoy
it freely.

NTA but meat and namely beef was not available/banned/taboo for a long time.

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>>10666521
Amazing, they didn't want to adopt the diet habits of Europe until propaganda.

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>>10666472
I was talking about residual animal growth hormones in food, not human growth hormones given to humans.

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>>10666515
>a general observation about how behavior and eating habits can affect people's body shape and size
>eugenics
Anon I don't think you understand what eugenics means.

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>>10666548
No one is arguing about why they adopted those habits or things changed, just that the change could explain some of the possible disparity between weight and height of younger Japanese people and older ones, especially considering people in Japan are known to live a long time and much of the population is old and would have been around when dietary preferences or cultural stigma were different or still changing.

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>>10666521
Damn. After reading this article, it's no wonder they are xenophobic against other cultures/races. Cultures forcibly inserted their traditions into Japan in the first place.

>"The monks claimed that since the arrival of foreigners in Japan, a large number of Japanese had begun eating meat and that this was destroying the soul of the Japanese people."

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>>10666558
That's like saying it's no wonder any colonized place would be racist or xenophic like indigenous tribes, black people in some parts of Africa, etc. Being racist and xenophobic is still bad even if there are justifiable reasons to be upset with how people from another place treated people where you're from poorly in the past.

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>>10666562
I like how you mention black people in Africa, but completely forget how xenophobic and racist they are in the US. Let's not pretend they are accepting of other races and cultures.

But realistically, that's your own culture that you're trying to project onto a completely different area on the world and culture, again, regardless. No one outside of the US thinks "I need to be the most accepting of all races and cultures to enforce diversity." That's literally your American brain.

All I was saying is that it's 'understandable' for them to be the way they are, not that it's ok, idiot. But regardless, you don't have control over what another culture in another country does and thinks.

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>>10666562
You sound like an SJW colonizer.

Get in line, behind the Christian pilgrimages in Japan. I'm sure they'll accept you.

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>>10666591
I also mentioned other groups too but you ignored that for some reason? The whole point was black people or anyone who was mistreated by foreigners also shouldn't be racist or xenophobic and it's still bad regardless of how you've been treated. If you're just saying "yeah I get why they feel this way" and not that it's okay then that's fine.

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>>10666596
No I'm black and also still think being mistreated in the past is no excuse for present racism even if being upset about the issue makes sense.

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>>10666599
That's still an American ideology. Your culture.

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>>10666558
are you just going to forget how japan was basically the england of asia?

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Can you guys derailing the thread with racist crap just go elsewhere? It’s not ok. This thread is for appreciation of Atelier Boz now that it’s closing. Let’s keep it to that.

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>>10666551
Based on your quotes, you need to work on your reading comprehension.

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>>10666620
>This thread is for appreciation of Atelier Boz now that it’s closing. Let’s keep it to that.
yes

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what is Atelier Boz's greatest contribution to society, and why is it the versatile abd flattering Roland jacket?

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>>10664047
I'm gonna kms, the second hand market will be an even bigger nightmare now

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>>10666684
Because they need no introduction. The Roland Jacket and Guilletta speak for themselves.The poster article for EGA

>>10667033
see you there, anon

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>>10667033
right? i already have to buy items the day they are listed basically.

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>>10667073
>The poster article for EGA
Mana would like a whispered word with you

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Okay, it said that it's going to be restocked, but it's still sold out. Does anyone know if they have ever restocked?

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>tfw empty boz shop racks

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>>10669352
their decor was an odd choice

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>>10667660
Those empty racks and everything is super sad to see, especially with the peeling fake stained glass.

Did anyone manage to get anything on the bloodbath on the 6th with the restock? Everything sold out immediately.

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>>10667660
everything on the site just had a reservation yesterday and is now sold out. it says on the announcements on the home page (can translate if needed)

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>>10665502
lolita updates is not the most reliable source tho

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>>10664064
Beautiful, I wish I heard about this before now.

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>>10670631
take it to the stupid questions thread if you are going to be like this

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>>10670648
nta anons like you are scourge of this board.

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I was hoping to be able to get this blouse someday but as it doesn't seem like that's ever going to happen, any suggestions for very dour gothic blouses like the Josephine blouse in good quality? It's sort of a goth staple but most western goth brands seem to be pretty shit quality.

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I just checked lolibrary's Roland pages and most of there photos aren't showing.

Does god hate boz

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>>10672603
No, Boz just doesn't have a designated lolibrarian to manage and maintain entries. Really hope someone steps up, my hands are too full to take on another brand.

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Oh fuck, that sucks.

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>>10669353
I sometimes wondered why pictures of their store didn't circulate like MmM's did. I guess I know why, now

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ancient purikura with kanji for hime and ouji

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modern portrait that uses more sophisticated filters to produce an unreal effect

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ancient coord shot of dude in Boz

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modern coord shot of ancient dude in Boz

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>>10673710
this juxtaposition of styles warms my heart.

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>>10667073
Low key regret missing Guilletta

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I hope any anons trying to get a reservation today for the few items they put up were able to. My internet was a bit wonky but I was able to get an order in, hopefully there’s no snags there.

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>>10676599
>got all the way to payment processing
>site dies for the 50th time
>order goes poof, item has been removed from your cart

Fingers crossed that your order got through fine anon, as for me, its back to stalking for secondhand jackets

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>>10676601
Oof, that sucks. I hope you can find something nice secondhand, I’ve seen some other Boz stuff show up on Violet Blue and Tokyo Alice so if you haven’t been checking there and can order through them, maybe something will pop up. Best of luck!

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Rip

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I bet they'll open back up in 5 years

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>>10685923
maybe sooner

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>>10673710
Cute

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>got roland jacket secondhand 1 month before the closure announcement
Wishing you luck, gulls. Genuinely.

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>>10686078
What makes you say that?

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>>10695362
Apparently one of the designers "was given permission to use the same patterns and sewing factory as Atelier Boz" (https://stephano.me/blog/atelier-boz-closing/))
So I really hope that they'll be back sooner then 5 years