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Confess, debate and argue

>> No.10642793
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>>10642792
Mine is that the way /cgl/ defines color coordination is dumb and beginner tier. It's basic and just means either "perfect" color matching to the print/dress or boring "match headbow with shoes" shit.

The western community never gets cool, unique coordinations as seen in KERA because the western comm is full of rules obsessed idiots

>> No.10642794 [DELETED] 

>>10642792
If someone is fat it automatically makes them ita. Especially if the mainpiece they are wearing doesn’t fit properly. Just because you can squeeze it on and zip it up doesn’t mean that it actually fits.

>> No.10642796

It is okay to only own OPs for main pieces. Yes, you're limiting yourself a lot but if that's what you like and you can coord it, run with it.

>> No.10642800

>>10642794
What do you personally define as fat? For me, as long as you don't need to modify or buy plus size to fit, you're fine but it varies for others.

>> No.10642801

>>10642794
counter argument, being fat doesn't make you auto ita unless your clothes don't fit or look good on your body type. There are plenty of chubby and fat lolitas that look good in the fashion, you just hate fat people

>> No.10642803 [DELETED] 

>>10642800
Anyone who is medically overweight unless they are visibly muscular. The bar is way lower for me than most Americans. But I think muscular people look like shit in lolita too

>>10642801
I have yet to see a fat lolita that actually looks good. I don’t hate fat people but I don’t think they look good at all. You can find someone visually unappealing without hating them, nonny

>> No.10642806

>>10642793
Those boots are genuinely ugly.

>> No.10642807

>>10642793
1 trillion percent agreed

>> No.10642808

>>10642796
Related opinion:
Skirts are not main pieces. If they were, we should also be counting blouses.

>> No.10642822

>>10642794
You're entitled to your opinion. But fatties will carry on in this fashion, regardless.

Speaking of ita, this might not be unpopular, but lately the ita threads seem lackluster. One used to see disaster after disaster, now half of every thread is nitpicks or vendetta posts or fatties in decent coords. And then they usually devolve into shitting on Lor. I know they'll never go away, but honestly I don't see the point anymore.

>> No.10642825

>>10642793
Agreed anon, obsessing over color matching instead of, say, style matching is just newfriend behavior in my book. I get that it can be fun and it's very satisfying when you do get a perfect match, but not even brands give a shit about it. When people sperg about it here I write them off as larpers.

>>10642808
Now that's just retarded and screams "I don't actually know how to coord skirts" but alas this is the unpopular opinions thread on a Chinese underwater basket weaving board kek

>> No.10642830

I think we need to stop accepting diamond honey as less ita than bodyline, I would argue that some of their pieces are even worse than bodyline

>> No.10642832

>>10642808
but the coord is what makes the piece lolita. its easy to wear a blouse with a non lolita coordinate, but you can wear a skirt with a non-lolita specific top and still have the coord be lolita if you do it well. therefore, the skirt is the main piece. the skirt is what makes the outfit lolita.

>> No.10642844

>>10642796
100% agree!
Ops are actual clothes, unlike Jsks.

>> No.10642871

>>10642825
>style matching

idk i think people even go too far with this one too. like it's one thing if style themes are wildly incompatible, but people lose their shit over people "shoehorning" say a fruit themed bag with a sailor coordinate or dessert themed accessory into a cat-themed coordinate but those things...don't feel incompatible to me? and if they are well matched colorwise, it usually looks fine

>> No.10642872

>>10642830
They are by far.

>> No.10642880

>>10642830
I agree. People who think DH is better than Bodyline is the kind of it's who think printed dresses are more lolita than solids... Would you imagine.

>> No.10642881 [DELETED] 

>>10642871
You sound ita

>> No.10642882

>>10642830
wait there's people who don't consider diamond honey full ita?
I've seen plenty of good bodyline coords but not a single decent diamond honey one so far

>> No.10642884

>>10642882
I was about to type this. There's not a single good diamond honey coord to begin with.

>> No.10642901

If you don't intend on wearing lolita daily, or as much as your responsibilities allow, you're not a real lolita.

Same goes for those who do disgusting or shameful shit in lolita. Why are you going to be dressed up as a princess if you're going to be nasty? Jesus

>> No.10642906

>>10642796
>>10642808
This has big "my wardrobe is small and only own two OPs" energy+conlita energy

>> No.10642907

>>10642901
b-but anon, you can be a princess and a sexy slut at the same time, you're slutshaming them!!

>> No.10642911

>>10642901
>dressed up as a princess
Theres your problem. Lolita isn't princess cosplay its just clothes

>> No.10642912

Lolcow sucks ass but I’m glad drama was banned off this board

>> No.10642915

>>10642911
So you don't dress according to your personality? You might as well feel more comfortable in normie fashion then.

I don't have an alter ego when wearing lolita, and in fact, I despise the lolitas that talk all kawaii and uguuu in YouTube and conventions. Lolita is clothing for maidens. Not for conventions nor normies that are bored with their usual fashion.

>> No.10642916

>>10642915
nta but you sound delusional. you are not a maiden or a princess. lolita is for people who enjoy it. that's all.

>> No.10642917

>>10642901
You’re not a real lolita unless you live in japan and wear the fashion, you are simply just enjoying the fashion. Enjoy your LARP

>> No.10642920

>>10642915
This is some "lolitas should be lovelies shit.
>>10642917
Wrong! To be a real lolita you need to be a broken victorian doll princess! (also in Japan)

>> No.10642921

>>10642915
You sound like a fat bitch

>> No.10642924

>>10642907
This has
>Pick me! Pick me!
energy

>> No.10642927

>>10642915
How new are you that you think you have to roleplay to wear a piece of clothing? People like you make me want to wear my clothes in normie ways, just to piss people like you off

>> No.10642936

>>10642924
okay incel

>> No.10642941

>>10642915
>>10642901
These posts bleed scrote. Take your weird obsession with femininity elsewhere

>> No.10642942

>>10642915
>Lolita is clothing for maidens
>saying this on cgl where Lolitas act like anything but that
Cmon anon

>> No.10642945

>>10642941
no it sounds like a standard case of weeb autism. put down the radfem juice for a while and remember how many cringe bio women exist in this comm.

>> No.10642946

>>10642945
You're right anon, its just autism and I tend to automatically associate that with men.

>> No.10642949

>>10642946
that's fucked up of you given how autistic women are regularly overlooked and go undiagnosed

>> No.10642952

>>10642946
same here, but i feel like it's giving them a pass to just assume they're men. women doing this need to be shamed.

>> No.10642959

>>10642949
I literally do not care about autism diagnosis rates among women
>>10642952
I honestly think a lot of this bizarre behaviour (and other bizarre behaviour) would be solved by bullying like it used to

>> No.10642968

>>10642941
>Wears the most hyper feminine fashion that exists to date
>Not obsessed with femininity
Sure.

>>10642927
Why would I care?

>>10642920
I never said anything about being kind or talking in a high pitched tone. Femininity does not equal kindness. I'm literally saying "not being nasty" and having decent etiquette, which offends you all so much...

>>10642942
Just posting here since there's been more and more comments about lifestyle lolita and princess portal.

>> No.10642972

>>10642968
this is why lifestylers are so fucking cringe.

>> No.10642993

>>10642972
because they make wearing lolita daily their only characteristic.

>> No.10642998

>>10642993
exactly. it sounds like such a chore.

>> No.10643000

>>10642792
My unpopular opinion is that looking good is overrated. Are you having fun and are you satisfied with your look? Great, well done.
I don't get why there is the constant need to get "better" (whatever that means). Someone will always think you look like shit and regarding normies we all look like weirdos to them. You might say "But it's a fashion! It's about looks!" but so many other fashions look like shit to the normal eye and don't have as moch in-fighting as lolita has.

>> No.10643016

>>10642998
chore maybe, one dimensional for sure.

>> No.10643037

>>10642968
oh no guys i think you made little miss princess mad now

>> No.10643048

>>10642968
Just because you're a one dimensional beacon of femininity doesn't mean other people have to be, stop projecting.

>I'm literally saying "not being nasty" and having decent etiquette, which offends you all so much...

Ma'am this is cgl.

>> No.10643095

>>10642881
It’s not ita to not have a wardrobe with matching socks/purse for every single main piece. Japanese lolitas mismatch themes all the time

>> No.10643099

>>10643000
>I don't get why there is the constant need to get "better"

I agree, I see a common crit in COF threads that “her coordinates are always the same”, but it’s fashion. It’s not a competition, we are just wearing clothes we like.

>> No.10643100 [DELETED] 

>>10643095
> Japanese lolitas mismatch themes all the time

And the ones who do are ita. Just because a Japanese lolita wears something doesn’t exclude it from being ita you fucking weeb

>> No.10643110

>>10642871
it's fine but it's cuter to make it more cohesive. fruit bag and sailor coord, make it a strawberry sailor and bring in fruits elsewhere like with socks, a ring, head accessory etc. Make it look like you're doing it on purpose and not using a fruit bag with a sailor coord because it's the only thing you have

>> No.10643128

>>10643000
>>10643099
Yeah, and there are lots of newer lolitas who are scared about setting foot outside until they have everything exactly perfect, and constantly post to make sure it’s not ita with every single new item they buy. If you feel cute, I think that’s what matters

>> No.10643133

Places like this are why I wouldn't want to be in a comm unless directly invited. Feels like there is a scarily high standard to hold onto and if you do one thing wrong (at least here) you're perma ita. Would rather be a loneita.

>> No.10643167

i think almost every lolita coord is overaccessorized these days, and i hate when i see a nice simple coord get concrit that's basically just "you need more accessories"

>> No.10643177

>>10643099
ik this is my own fault but this pressure has stopped me from posting to cof and other social media sometimes. i just feel like there's so much pressure to continue creating groundbreaking coords, that when i have a coord that isn't 'better' or maybe isn't 100% then i feel like shit. especially when it doesn't get more likes than the last one, which doesn't fucking matter lol

ty for your comment though because i knew something was bothering me and i didn't know what it was. i think from now on i need to give less of a shit about what others think and doing samey stuff isn't a bad thing if it's what makes one happy

>> No.10643184

>>10642906
If my wardrobe is small, wouldn't I want to count skirts though?

>> No.10643185

>>10643177
I don't bother posting for the same reason, but I don't think of it as a bad thing. If low-effort appearances but new AP dresses every time is what the community wants and values, why would I bother posting as someone who does my hair and makeup well but tends to buy within a cohesive color palette and trends towards wearable rather than clutter? I may as well just take cute pictures with my partner for my own memories, rather than specifically try to get a rule-approved photo to post for people who don't appreciate it or care.

>> No.10643191

>>10642906
>This has big "my wardrobe is small and only own two OPs
I don't really understand what you mean. I guess I'm ESLita

>> No.10643205

>>10643184
>>10643191
anon is probably referring to how newfags tend to dislike skirts in general because OPs are easy as fuck to coord. no blouse, no nothing. and only newfag lolitas would think the term main piece has any sort of special meaning that would disqualify skirts when the term really has more to do with practicality. OPs, JSKs skirts and salopettes are all main pieces because they essentially define how many coords you can have. blouses don't really do that, but skirts, especially prints, definitely do. think of it this way you only need to own one blouse to have multiple coords if you have a few main pieces, but if you have only one main piece a lot of blouses won't help you.

>> No.10643210

>>10643100
No but I trust Japanese lolitas more when it comes to actually weaung the fashion like a fashion and not a matching puzzle contest

>> No.10643213

>>10643133

Wearing the fashion at all is more than 99% of people here do

Also

>/cgl/, kf, lolcow, and btb are junk food for the brain
>efame-thirsty lolitas are boring
>DDLG and dolly/master couples should not be allowed
>ugly normie boyfriends should not be allowed at meets

>> No.10643218

>>10643205
>newfags tend to dislike skirts in general

i guess my unpopular opinion then is that i prefer skirts. they're less expensive, more versatile, more easily wearable outside of the confines of lolita fashion, easier to store and transport, and there aren't that many cuts available (as opposed to jsks/ops where the styles of sleeves/bodices vary wildly and can make or break my interest in a piece). also im no seamstress they also seem like they'd be way easier to make in expanded or custom sizes, so more buyers and less reeeeeeee from fatties

wish brands would release them more often, they've basically stopped.

>> No.10643232

>>10642794
Agreed. Fat lolitas aren't cute and if they actually are cute in the face, it's ruined by how big they are.
I'm tired of fat acceptance, it's pure copium just skip a few meals, do water fasts, and restrict your calories it's not that hard you lardass

>> No.10643235

>>10643232
>just develop a skinny ED it's not that hard.

Anon if you're skipping meals and water fasting you need help.

>> No.10643236 [DELETED] 

>>10643235
Nayrt but plenty of normies do both of those and they don’t need help. COPE

>> No.10643237

>>10643218
I agree. Brands don't release them as much because they're not cost-effective. A basic JSK costs MAYBE $5-10 more to manufacture (even less at say, AP scale), but goes for nearly twice the retail price of a skirt.

>> No.10643238

>>10643213
>>ugly normie boyfriends should not be allowed at meets
No normie BFs at meets. They're always so out of place, 99% of the time don't want to be there and 100% of the time aren't wanted there.

>> No.10643240

>>10643236
Nah, skipping meals just wrecks your metabolism in the long run. I'm a registered dietician and welll within a healthy weight. If you're fat and you want to do something about it, eat healthy and get off your ass to do some proper cardio. Cutting meals/water is a lazy "quick fix" that will only fuck you over in the long haul.

>> No.10643245 [DELETED] 

>>10643240
>I'm a registered dietician
Kek, sure Jan.

>> No.10643247

>>10643238
Agreed. Normie Boyfriends at meets just make everyone uncomfortable. Dress appropriately or don’t go to a meet. Straight men at meets are already on thin ice in general

>> No.10643255

>>10643218
ayrt and i actually do too. i'm a classic lolita and i only own a few OPs and JSKs mostly just skirts. i think skirts look better as prints and i buy OPs or JSKs for their details.

>> No.10643256

I hate how much more popular taobao is getting, it's all ita shit but because it's cheap and fits fatties it's everywhere.

>> No.10643257

>>10643235
>>10643240
sure fatty.
skipping meals might not be the best idea but water fasts are good for you and it's a nice break from stuffing your lardass with junk. Stop finding excuses, you will always look laughable if you stay at that weight

>> No.10643259 [DELETED] 

>>10643240
Nayrt but I’ve had water fasts recommended to me by doctors for certain health problems. If they were so detrimental to my metabolism they wouldn’t recommend that.

>> No.10643263

>>10643256
I hate taobao with a passion.
>bad quality materials
>worse quality embellishments
>shitty clipart prints for every substyle

>> No.10643268

Speaking as someone with tattoos, having your tats out in lolita only distracts from your coords (unless maybe you're in gothic ig). Cover those sleeves gulls.

>> No.10643281

>>10643268
>>10643268
There's literally concealer out there for covering tattoos too, so it's also fucking lazy. I used to use it for scars and it doesn't rub off on clothes, there's just no excuse

>> No.10643296

>>10643133
No offense but if some anons shitposting on the internet is a big deal to you, you need to go outside and touch sone grass, grow a thicker skin, or both.
Several people in my comm are here. IRL and as people, they're pretty nice if a bit snarky. A lot of people use inageboards to vent and half the time don't mean what they say, or they say an exaggerated version of how they feel. Usually the cattiness doesn't actually extend irl, and I don't think they are even that judgemental desu unless you're a super hard-core ita. No one at a meet is actually going to give a shit that you wear taobao or bodyline or that you have an amazon petticoat as long as you don't look embarrassing. And its easy to not look embarrassing.
>>10643167
Yeah ott sweet is cute but not all concrit should be filtered through that.
>>10643185
This is a fine way to wear the fashion. I am in and out of my comm all the time and just post coords to a locked insta with my irls on it (including some comm members). Not everything needs to be posted to facebook or tiktok or whatever zoomers are doing
>>10643213
This is another good point, I know I use imageboards to avoid the face hungry and highly fakelitas who definitely exist (also agree abt normie bfs, but if they groom themselves and wear even a nice casual suit/blades combo, its fine imo)
>>10643263
>>10643256
I disagree, but only because new lolitas don't tend to know what to buy (aka the fucking infamous e thot shoes and square neckline weird flowy chiffon sleeve blouse which are currently in style for... some reason). Some filler pieces from places like Infanta or Surface Spell look fine and don't bring down a coord, and even the odd main piece looks good. But it does require an eye for detail and a lot of new lolitas just rush to fill their wardrobe with whatever they find and looks semi in fashion at the time.
>>10643281
Yeah this. KVD's lock it foundation/concealer is great. Or just...wear something that covers them up? Not difficult

>> No.10643298

>>10643281
ayrt, if they got full sleeves of tats then concealer probably isn’t ideal but again no one is stopping them from just wearing a long sleeved blouse lol

>> No.10643300

>>10643298
That too, even in the heat there are lighter cottons you can wear. I did socal's renaissance faire, which gets hot as all balls, and everyone there wears long sleeves, they just know which fabrics to use to get air flow. If you have the money for full sleeve tattoos, you have the money to pay for a custom blouse

>> No.10643316

>>10643300
If i have the money for a full sleeve i have the money to do whatever the fuck i want lmao

>> No.10643319

>>10643316
Based

>> No.10643320

>>10643316
this is the attitude of someone who can only afford a full sleeve tattoo and not rent.

>> No.10643321

>>10643320

It's weeb fashion, autismo. Scale it back.

>> No.10643333

>>10643268
i only have a small arm tat, but why would i pay money to have art put on my body, and then cover it up lmfao

>> No.10643396

>>10643333
I don't see why you would cover a tattoo up if it's just a single small one.
Anon was probably referring to full sleeves and large, actually distracting tattoos and I honestly agree with them, especially when your main or only substyle is sweet or classic, many visible tattoos (and a piercing overload too) may look off.

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>>10642794
>tfw tall, broad, but thin
>have to squeeze into brand blouses and dresses
>no fat, no loafs
>nobody notices it
Enjoy your stretched out shirring in my sales, ana-chans !

>> No.10643427

>>10642871
I'm not talking about themes though, I mean shit like wearing glitter heels with hoodies and sneakers with hime sleeves

>> No.10643432

>>10642945
Ok troon

>> No.10643436

Those of you who come to meets looking like half-baked dog turds and giggling about posting people to the ita threads are embarassing and not as sneaky as you think you are.

Learn2cord before thinking you're better than the rest of us.

>> No.10643441

>>10643205
I don't see why having one blouse but many dresses is better than the other way around. You would need to wash your blouses every time you wear them, but dresses don't touch your skin

>> No.10643458

>>10643441
We're talking about babby lolitas with one or two pieces, you retard.

>> No.10643460

I find Minori and Rinrin ugly and uninteresting

>> No.10643469

>>10642945
Using terms like 'bio woman' is hypercringe, wokefag trash.

>> No.10643472

>>10643469
>saying biological woman is now being woke
are you retarded? we ARE biological women and not some monstrosities

>> No.10643474

>>10643469
Your zoomer is showing

>> No.10643476

>>10643460
Rinrin I understand, but I think Minori is really pretty. I really like shironuri though so maybe I'm biased.

>> No.10643479

>>10643405
i mean if you're able to still fit in brand dresses without needing to alter it or having chunks of you falling out i doubt it matters, but given how batshit some people on here are ig i should assume it matters lol

>> No.10643540

I don't trust people that do a shitton of cosplay and also wear lolita (or have the word 'cos' or 'cosplay' in their handle). It's just a guarantee for clout/fame-whoring behavior or itas. When one of these people follow me on any platform I instantly block them

>> No.10643547

>>10643476
I’m OP and yea Minori is beautiful but the shironuri is so outdated to me and the crafty items she sells are so ugly. Makes me cringe. Years ago i would’ve kissed the floor she walked on though.

>> No.10643548

>>10643547
Why do you think it's outdated?

>> No.10643549

>>10643548
Nayrt but shironuri is dead/never really lived so yeah it’s pretty outdated

>> No.10643555

>>10642793
Kera's coords are literal clusterfucks 90% of times, your pic related does nkt prove tge opposite. More important than being the uniquest most ""creative"" snowflake there is, is to dress pleasantly and not like a kid playing dressup with mom's clothes.

>> No.10643558

>>10642912
I'm not, cgl's current state is almost identical to any other normalfag website with people unironically and constantly crying about common board culture. With proper drama, at least it would've succeeded to keep all the twitter/insta/facebook/whereverthefucktheyallcamefrom fags on their websites where they are more comfortable anyway instead of completely shitting up the board climate.

>> No.10643560

>>10642915
Kek at those replies, seems like you struck a nerve.

>> No.10643565

>>10643472
Yes it is, women are just women, trannys are trannys.

>> No.10643570

>>10643558
The drama ban is so old at this point that it's just time and users coming and going changing the board climate, not that one thing specifically.

>> No.10643583

>>10643549
more like her style doesn't evolve, white face paint in jp fashion has never been a huge thing to begin with

>> No.10643586

>>10643583
i don't think everyone needs to evolve their style. if you like what you like keep at it.

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I'm struggling with some new prints that come out from China. I've been into the scene for long enough to know what's ita or not, but I have a hard time not liking these specific kinda prints.

I feel like this one reminds me of a Royal Princess Alice print. In general, what does the egl comm think of Royal Princess Alice? It feels like reminiscent of Pastel goth themes, then a lot of not as well developed sub-genre themes.. I've wanted to buy something from them for a minute, but second hand prices are absurd and it doesn't seem to be as renown? It looks a lot more like old Angelic Pretty prints.

>> No.10643593

>>10643590
The generally community thinks RPA is pretty ita, but I have a few prints from them and I like them— albeit they’re definitely very tacky. Theyre probably most known for their wa prints at this point. Midori and Minty Kismet still model for them so it’s not like the jp comm hates them. But you do you, boo.

>> No.10643600

>>10643583
Her style has definitely evolved since she started wearing shironuri

>> No.10643601

>>10643593
Yeah. That's what I figured is that the western comm probably thought they were tacky/ita. I've seen Misako model for them as well.

There's some prints I like, but some others are weird with RPA.
It really makes you think about whether or not if Angelic Pretty became a thing, right now, with the kinds of prints they've released if the comm would also think they are tacky. (This is assuming AP like prints never were seen prior)

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>>10643256
How do anons feel about the CC cat dress? Normally I hate taobao but I think this one is alright

>> No.10643609

>>10643603
its one of the only taobao pieces i own now and i love it sm. its pretty decent quality for the price.

>> No.10643611

>>10643603
Still waiting for mine. CC cat is slow evidently. I think CGL as a general consensus likes CC Cat.

>> No.10643613 [DELETED] 

>>10643603
The quality of it is shit despite what some people who know nothing about sewing say. The waist ties are especially laughable

>> No.10643614

>>10643218
Big agree. I love how comfortable skirts are and they feel a lot less attention grabbing than a full dress. They're also great for smaller girls too cause they have smaller min sizes. Usually I have to alter my dresses to fit me right, but I can always count on skirts to look good as soon as they're in my hands. The full shirring ones are a win/win for small girls and fatties.

>> No.10643615

>>10643603
It's a cute little alternative for poorfags and fatties who cant fit into AP imo

>> No.10643617

>>10643615
APFag here. IDK AP hasn't made a print similar to this, in my opinion. So I bought it and I'll sell it, when they make something similar.

>> No.10643618

Is fitting into AP like the seal of "not fat"?

>> No.10643628

>>10643618
well usually people who fit into most AP don't have rolls of fat falling out of them at least

>> No.10643630 [DELETED] 

>>10643618
No

>> No.10643634

>>10643613
Yeah. I almost bought it but I backed out at the last minute, because I figured I can always pick it up secondhand later. And I'm so glad I didn't buy it. Even in the nicest pics I've seen like >>10643603 the quality is so obviously bad. The skirt is thin and wrinkly (it almost looks like it's made out of cheap bed sheet material?) and the print is kind of a faded jumbled mess. The concept is cute but what they delivered is not great.

>> No.10643635

I miss when the options for lolita dresses were burando or complete garbage. It weeded out the bitter cheap bitches real fast. Now we're plagued by entitled brats.

>> No.10643636

>>10643618
No, considering how many AP dresses easily fit fatty-chans.

>> No.10643650

>>10643603
It looks okay for $60, but the material always looks so flimsy in the coord pics I see. And I personally only like the yellow and black colorways.

>> No.10643652

>>10643618
I'd say that fitting into non-shirred MM and VM to be the real test. Or even non-shirred Baby/AATP.
AP with shirring is lard ass level, have you seen the Honey Cake rerelease? It's too big for the average sized Japanese girl.

>> No.10643655

>>10643652
HC rerelease is bigger than even the largest of other AP releases with half shirring though and some full shirring pieces. Plus at max bust measurements it is nowhere near flattering or well fitting.

>> No.10643656

>>10643652
Hard mode: antique beast. I own some pieces from them and at a 24” waist I have to squeeze

>> No.10643658

>>10643652
AP probably only had western fatties in mind for that rerelease, I'd be surprised if any Japanese girls actually bought it

>> No.10643660

>>10643603
Pretty cute for casual, but yeah, don't expect AP quality for <40 bucks.

>> No.10643667

>>10643603
It’s a really cute print but the construction is abysmal. The materials are fine and it still looks better than anything Diamond honey/Alice girl/ any other newbie magnet brand has ever made but good lord is it constructed poorly. The lace is sewn on so sloppily it’s almost comical. Take a good look at the straps and you can see half an inch of raw lace netting left hanging out of the rickrack. There’s reversed text, the sloppiest button attachment I’ve ever seen, awkward skirt construction and lining that peeks over the bodice. But for $30 it’s way better than anything else you can get on taobao and it looks fine from afar.

>> No.10643691

I've been on this board for years but I still can't wrap my head around the hate for fat people. Others peoples weight surely mustn't affect your day-to-day lives that much right?

>> No.10643693

>>10643691
They complain a lot about brands not fitting them and 99% of the time look really bad in the fashion
They're easy to hate

>> No.10643694

Honestly I feel like this community has gone downhill in more recent years. I just remember the community putting a lot of emphasis on the construction and quality of dresses rather than just how nice the print or colors are and I feel like 80% of people who are getting into the fashion now have “dream dresses” that are cheap, badly constructed taobao dresses. I just want better for the fashion but I see how many itas are just flocking into the fashion and it makes me want to leave.

>> No.10643697

>>10643691
I don't understand the people who derail random threads with fat people hate or have to reeee about every single mildly obese chick in the CoF threads. But at the same time, I find fat people universally ugly. And the more fat they are, the more ugly I find them. Much more so than someone with an ugly face or unfortunate body. For the most part I don't care if a girl is horsefaced or has a giant honking nose. Fat people are always uglier.

I also find the whole body-positivity movement and "CICO isn't real" "it's muh thyroid" myth to be really grating. Like if someone is happy being fat, or WANTS to be huge, great! So long as they're being realistic about what that does to their body. Like how runners know and accept their sport will fuck up their knees in the long run, but they enjoy the lifestyle. If you like eating an entire chocolate cake every day, and you don't care about dying early of the diabeetus or being stuck on a scooter, then have fun and enjoy your cake. But don't push some delusional narrative that a 300lb woman is just as fit and healthy as a 150lb woman and that it's society's fault we have to ship you to a zoo to use the elephant x-ray machine bc you're too big to fit the one at the hospital.

>> No.10643700

>>10643691
They look bad, smell bad and are a strain on the health system and second hand burando.

>> No.10643701

>>10643635
Cheap awful ebay costume lacemonsters were almost the same price as brand. Same for some milanoo. And people voiced their opinions on prices and the market back then too.

>> No.10643754

>>10643694
I agree but I think it's also just the nostalgia talking for me. There was something so much more exciting about a new release when they came out once every few months and the community had time (and the inclination) to really analyse and discuss the design and construction because there was nothing else going on. It helped encourage people to be critical and thoughtful about what they were buying, and it made purchases even more fun. Now there's a new trash bag released every week and the extent of comments is either "looks cute!" or "looks shit". I know I'm just old and grumpy but I do think the community has lost some of its depth in recent years as it trends more towards fast fashion practices.

>> No.10643757

Gonna get shit for this but, as a brand whore who only exclusively owns btssb I think the community should be more accepting of (good quality) indie dresses I’m not talkin about the garbage lor-ita promotes I mean nice quality, well constructed taobao pieces.

>> No.10643758

not doing your makeup or hair makes you automatically ita. too many people are obsessed with the coord itself not looking like a dumpster fire (even when the person wearing it does. lolita is about your whole image, not just the coord. in general any fashion is about how YOU look in the clothes and not just the clothes themselves in a vacuum. with no makeup and unkempt hair it just looks like someone with no fashion sense trying on clothes, you might as well be posting flatlays or mannequin coords. the only people who i've ever known that dislike makeup don't understand how it works.

>> No.10643763

>>10643757
Actually agree with this. I think the real issue is that taobao is used as a blanket term even though not all Chinese brands are the same. There are good Chinese brands that are pretty much on par with Japanese brand, but they just get lumped together under the taobao label. Brands like Krad Lanrete have even done crossovers with jp brands like Lumiebre. We don't even need to recognize good quality taobao as brand, but the way it's defined currently is meaningless. We wouldn't do that with Japanese brands, imagine if AP and bodyline were lumped together. It makes no sense and it enables shitty taobao resellers like DI to make sales on literal garbage since people like lor will gladly shill them but rarely explains quality differences between Chinese brands.

>> No.10643767

>>10643763
This 100%. My closet is 90% brand but I do have some really wonderful pieces from taobao. It gets a bad rap because of the crap that resellers carry but there are good brands. My KL dresses are definitely brand quality. But also there are some amazing shoe brands too.

>> No.10643770

>>10643767
I forgot about shoes, but I definitely agree. I've had both and good taobao shoes are the exact same thing for a fraction of the price. Plus I kind of love how chinese shoes do buckles.

>> No.10643776

>>10643758
>the only people who i've ever known that dislike makeup don't understand how it works.

Some people like makeup, know how it works, and just choose not to wear it all the time, you know that right?

>> No.10643777

I can't wear wigs because they irritate my head. I hope me just making my natural hair look nice is enough.

>> No.10643779

>>10643777
of course it's enough! many lolitas (such as myself) actually prefer natural hair over wigs which often tend to look costumey anyways

>> No.10643782

>>10643758
Fully agreed, especially on hair.

>> No.10643786

>>10643767
Can you recommend some stores with good tea party shoes on taobao?

>> No.10643793

>>10643694
>it makes me want to leave.

if you mean leave the community, i highly recommend it. if you mean leave the fashion, then sell your pieces to people who actually enjoy the fashion for its own sake and whose enjoyment of it isnt influenced by the other people in it

>> No.10643795

>>10643793
Based

>> No.10643811

>>10643656
I have two cardigans from them and they're too big, I'm also not super tiny by any means

>> No.10643826

>>10643694
It wasn't better 10 years ago. The cheap china dresses are just 'better' now. But 10 years ago it was full of loliables. So sure, quality is nice but the issue is that the majority of people are looking for quick, cheap, cute. The average consumer is this, regardless of lolita.

I still have a shit ton of loliables that clog up my wardrobe too. It was common back then.

>> No.10643827

>>10643786
I like sosic shop for tea parties, but I’m more classic so I don’t wear them often, but they’re solid.

>> No.10643831

>>10643757
Also agree as a btssb whore as well with this 100%. Maybe we are just slightly less elitist than aptards desu

>> No.10643835

>>10643656
I dont own any pieces from them yet but I emailed about custom sizing once and they can add like up to +5cm free of charge if you ask. She said I could fit the normal sizing and I'm nowhere near a 60cm waist. Which piece did you get anon?
>>10643658
Wasn't it pretty popular even locally in Japan? It's too big on me but nothing a sweater over can't fix. Wish the skirt set was cuter though, I would have preferred that instead.

>> No.10643845 [DELETED] 

>>10643835
Not really. You’d see it pop up for $200 or so often on the Japanese secondhand sites

>> No.10643849

>>10643826
This is true, people would even wear "office blouses" more and still be accepted because it was difficult to find. It wasn't ideal, but if you matched the silouhette and had some other Lolita accessory, details like that should slide

>> No.10643851

>>10643849
You can still wear “office blouses” like Anne Taylor tie front blouses and Axes Femme workwear and look fine, especially in classic.

>> No.10643853

>>10643603 its alright. kind of stops being cute after a while. excited to see the solid release once it gets shipped out. they also have a mint chocolate dress theyve been teasing for ages now

>> No.10643857

>>10643849
Some office blouses are still fine

But the other loliables that I have are literally just..trash, now.

>> No.10643863

>>10643857
I just wear my loliables to do chores now, I've slowly been throwing them out as they get fucked up. It lets me clear my wardrobe without feeling guilty.

>> No.10643875

>>10643565
>>10643472
Trans=Woman..... Being born a woman = bio woman

Strange the one actually born a woman needs some faggy buzz word. Fucking call it what it is.

Trans = Trans woman
Woman = Woman

Why is this so hard to understand? People born a woman shouldn't need to change what they have been referred to as for millennia because some fractional percentage of the population gets their feefees hurt.

>> No.10643879

>>10643875
Men trying to take women down a peg in another way. Imagine.

I wish feminists would go back to being pissed off at men, rather than trying to cater to the men who transition's feelings.

>> No.10643889

>>10643694
>>10643826
10 years ago was the all time hype of replicas and shitty quality acceptance. It was when replicas of Chess Chocolate, Vampire Requiem and Iron Gate etc. emerged and there was that one Chinese replica maker who offered to make any replica of any dress she could get an original of. So basically she did a replica of any popular print of the time. It was also accepted to sell print replicas on the sales comm. And those replicas were bad, really bad. I rather accept current day taobao quality knowing what was accepted in the past.

>> No.10643894

>>10643889
TBF, I'm from 10 years ago and I'd still buy and wear a replica. I still have them in my closet as well. Oojia's replicas aren't bad, as much as you're claiming. The Dream of Lolita ones, sure. Then there are also all the other pieces that are replicated.

But, yes. Let's just conveniently forget about the fact that more than half of the lolitas posting on CoF aren't wearing replica socks.

I'm tired of seeing those BTSSB ones. They aren't even that good to begin with.

We've accepted poorer quality from Chinese sellers, regardless of replicas. That's why we're seeing brands like AP try less. Sure, you might find some quality pieces but the majority of the taobao dresses look like they are putting lace on a turd design-wise. I'd rather buy a replica.

>> No.10643895

>>10643875
Trans women aren’t women

>> No.10643897

Lolita Updates is literally so useless. All they do is share subpar indie brands or Taobao releases but they fail to announce re-releases like Hawase Doll and Gingham Check. Garbage

>> No.10643898

>>10643894
Wait what this post is incoherent

You’d rather buy a replica because taobao dresses are crap?
But… a replica is crap.

Why would I trust the opinion of someone who had a closet full of replicas. Bring a rip-off of a good dress doesn’t make it a good dress. It’s still crap.

>> No.10643912

>>10643898
I never said I have a closet full of replicas. I think the only reason why it's incoherent, is because you can't read.

In fact I'm pretty sure in 10 years, I probably even have far more brand than you do. The likelihood of you owning a replica in any form is relatively high. Just a word of advice, stop being a moron and learn to read and maybe learn to think.

>> No.10643921

>>10643912
>I'd still buy and wear a replica. I still have them in my closet as well.

> I probably even have far more brand than you do. The likelihood of you owning a replica in any form is relatively high.

Well in my closet of 200+ main pieces there isn’t a single replica, but sure go off

>> No.10643925

I hate gingham

>> No.10643928

>>10643895
>>10643925
Hard agree to both.

>> No.10643935

>>10643921
OK Larper. You know the catch 22 here is that you just said all you have is brand and then referred to it all being
>Quality
Enjoy your fake leather flakes all over your dresses and beat up flaking shoes.

>> No.10643937

>>10643935
she said 200 main pieces you illiterate mongoloid, and there are multiple brands who use real leather for bags and shoes

>> No.10643938

>>10643937
>there isn’t a single replica
So you can't read either. What's your point, here? Refusing to acknowledge that you own replicas of what brands have pushed out, despite it not being a main piece is ignorant. The western community is far too dense on these subjects, considering the brands copy each other on designs literally. all. the. time.

>> No.10643941

>>10643938
>in my closet of 200+ main pieces there isn’t a single replica
i know you’re esl but please, learn to read better. you’re the one insisting she owns non main piece replicas. it’s entirely possible for somebody to have a replica free wardrobe and i don’t know why you insist it’s not. or why you insist that brands only use pleather. smells like larp to me

>> No.10643944

>>10643941
Anon, it's actually pretty well known that your major lolita brands suck ass when it comes to shoes. Most into the fashion actually don't buy the brand name shoes and purses because cute as they are, the material sucks. So, most abstain from the purses and shoes.

>> No.10643950

>>10643894
>Oojia's replicas aren't bad, as much as you're claiming. The Dream of Lolita ones, sure

really? i had the opposite experience. the first replica i got was DoL through qutieland and it was surprisingly good, better than bodyline at the time

so i laughed at everyone who said replicas were bad quality and bought another one, an Oo Jia one and it was just horrible. i was so ashamed of it. i think i brought myself to wear it once and then sold it immediately, it was so poorly constructed and cheap, the sizing and colors were completely off, absolute monstrosity.

no idea what replicas are like now, all this was like a decade ago at least.

>> No.10643952

>>10643758
"it's muh allergy" i have sensitive as FUCK eyes and skin and even I found shit that works for me.

Most people with makeup "allergies" own the nastiest, rattiest makeup i've ever had to witness. I'm talking foundation straight from the nineties, brushes that never saw a glimpse of soap, busted eyeshadow palettes (also straight from the 90 and never disinfected even ONCE) and you can bet your sweet ass that these fucking trash rats don't wash their hands before doing their makeup. Either that or they rely on shady amazon and dollar store makeup because "nyeeeh I'm poor!!1!!!"

>> No.10643954

>>10643777
No wig? 10 years lolita gulag.

No fr tho nobody really gives a shit as long as your natural hair is nice, not greasy as fuck and actually done in some kind of way. Curling irons and maybe a crimper for volume can be your best friend.

>> No.10643957

>>10643950
Yeah - I have a dream of lolita one and the oojia one's much better constructed. The DoL one is on canvas fabric. It's pretty strange. I think it was probably always a toss up from these things, anyways since China sellers always had times where they did shit at random. I remember ordering an Infanta dress that I had to throw away, because they decided to do something RANDOM with the collar. I'll still never forgive Infanta.

China in general is just random for lolita - I don't expect quality, but lolita is flooded with Chinese lolita now.

>> No.10643961

>>10643938
You are peak retarded. Imagine being this proud about owning replicas.

I said main pieces. Also if you were in the community for ten years you’d know we refer to shoe knock offs as design replicas and don’t view them the same way.

Also pleather flakes due to improper storage but at this rate it’s apparent it’s in the same condition as your brain

>> No.10643976

>>10643238
Any advice for not being normie? Goes beyond "lurk moar"

>> No.10643980

>>10643618
I think the seal of "not fat" would be fitting into Mary Magdalene and old school skirts imo.
If your waist is 24-26" (unless you're under 5"3) then you're thin to average

>> No.10643996

if u are going to wear wigs in lolita, at least style them nicely. honestly id rather see ur greasy ass hair than ur unkept shiny $10 crap wig.

>> No.10643999

>>10643980
Not really sure about this desu, I think it does depend on ethnicity
t. very white person with a sub 17 bmi and my waist would fit MM but my bust would be a stretch due to just my ribcage. I don't think I'm alone either, I bet there's plenty of ana chans getting fucked by ribcages
>>10643952
>Most people with makeup "allergies" own the nastiest, rattiest makeup i've ever had to witness
Absolutely. Sensitive formulas exist for a reason, but they poorfag it and refuse to invest
>>10643944
Also this, I legitimately do not think brand shoes are worth the price tag. The clothing is steps above the competition and the price is justified, but the shoes are so generic quality that I'd unironically get a pair of walmart heels that would last longer and stay looking nicer. Purses are hit or miss and I'd never pay for one brand new for the meh quality.

>> No.10644001 [DELETED] 

>>10643980
>mfw my waist was 25.5” when I was 140lbs and chubby at 5’5” and I fit into most oldschool skirts just fine

Youre wrong.

>> No.10644009

>>10643999
Me except i'm not skinny, my bmi is almost 22.
I fit into OS skirts just fine and i had one MM dress i could fit in as well. Just was a bit of a challenge to zip it at the ribcage.

>> No.10644012

>>10643976
ask your gf to dress you in EGA

>> No.10644014

>>10643976
have an interest in the fashion that makes you want to lurk moar

>> No.10644017

>>10643999

>not removing your ribs

Are you even kawaii?

>> No.10644018

>implying that if you fit MM in everything but the bust you're still fat
chestlet cope, enjoy your cute brand though I am jealous of that alone

>> No.10644032

I still am not keen on men in lolita fashion (when they obviously look like men), especially if they come to meets. It's nice they're generally accepted but it especially makes us look like even bigger freaks when we're out in public.

>> No.10644033

>>10643976
wear EGA, Ouji or a nice alternate fashion. Tbh i'd be fine with having peoples boyfriends at a meet if they were in something cool like techwear, or visual kei because it would be a neat contrast.
Basically make an effort if you're attending a meet, nobody wants to be around the bf that only came in jeans and a t-shirt because you look out of place in the group

>> No.10644039

90% of all sweet lolitas look like miss piggy skinwalkers

>> No.10644043

>>10644039
I spit out my tea.

>> No.10644052

I really miss the GLB. It gave us insights into what was happening in Japan, event reports, street snaps, tutorials, etc. There were so many brands that were featured together, so everyone was on the same page on what burando was releasing that season. Sometimes, I feel like the community has become so fragmented brand-wise. It's not about having a wardrobe that's a mix of brands, but about knowing what other brands that are still lolita, though not your style, are doing.

>> No.10644103

>>10644039
you're trying too hard anon

>> No.10644112

>>10644052
Agreed. You worded this perfectly. If there is a similar publication out there right now, I'd love to know.

>> No.10644147

>>10644052
>unpopular opinion thread
you're in the wrong place anon, everyone misses the glb

>> No.10644152

>>10643691
Same. It's all so tiresome. Especially when they have a vendetta on some average weighted girl and call her fat. It's so obsession and unhealthy.
I'm convinced that those people have some kind of mental illness themselves.

>> No.10644155

>>10644112
I don't think so, sadly. printed media is dying out it seems, even KERA themselves switched exclusively to online content. there's still the larme magazine, but they very rarely have lolita content aside from brand ads and small features.

>> No.10644160

>>10644112
Harajuku-Pop's Lolita section..

>> No.10644162
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>>10644052
>>10644112
Harajuku Pop, paper issue only releases seasonal tho so if you really want to keep updated you just read their website.

>> No.10644164

>>10643691
Japanese culture is anti-fat, and we're here for japanese culture. Their country has a long average lifespan because of it though. If you want to empower lazy ugly slobs to slowly kill themselves by shoving shit into their pieholes and not excercising, go for it lol.

>> No.10644165

>>10644052
Lolita is pretty dead in Japan, it stopped being a street fashion ages ago, and the GLB dying was a result of that. Brand releases also slowed down a lot in the last years as a consequence of that. Realistically there would be nothing they could fill up the magazine with anymore.

>> No.10644168

>>10644033
Or just a nice(r) suit to play into the formal elements of the style

>> No.10644169

>>10644147
Really? It's been 4 years since it was discontinued, I wouldn't be surprised if the GLB wasn't impactful for a good portion of new anons.

>> No.10644174

>>10644164
nta but there's a difference between being anti-fatness or obesity, which is based in wanting people to be healthy out of genuine concern for one another and society, and the fatty hate that cgl spergs are constantly spewing. one is normal, the other is just obsessive and unnecessary.

gulls have always wasted too much time caring about what other people are doing though so idk it is just another branch of shitty hyperfixations on other people that cgl has in general

>> No.10644181

>>10644174
are you dumb? japan's anti-fat is mainly because it doesn't fit their norms, no one is concerned with health, that's why most of the women there are ana.

>> No.10644184

i think we as a community need to let AP go, esp after the current CF debacle

>> No.10644185 [DELETED] 

>>10644184
Weak b8

>> No.10644188

>>10644185
no i genuinely believe this. AP used to be my favorite brand and its what got me into lolita but it's completely lost its charm these past few years, and i've seen this sentiment a lot

>> No.10644189 [DELETED] 

>>10644188
And yet they’re more popular than ever.

>> No.10644197

>>10644185
It's the unpopular opinion thread, nonny

>> No.10644205

>>10644189
yeah with chinese lolitas and western bootlickers who are willing to buy anything that has their label on it

>> No.10644206 [DELETED] 

>>10644197
>implying these threads can’t have b8 in them

See >>10644205

>> No.10644209

>>10644181
they are concerned with weight in part for health, most japanese women are not anorexic, rates of anorexia there are at the same level as most other developed countries, and eating disorders exist in the west too despite body positivity stuff everywhere online. japanese people have some of the longest life spans for a reason, part of that is the societal pressure to maintain a healthy weight.

your assumption most women are anorexic there is one of those western misconceptions. it's actually weird recorded anorexia cases aren't crazier considering it is a mental illness and japan is known to not really prioritize mental health, hence the suicide rate, which is actually higher than a lot of other developed countries unlike its anorexia rate (and is the leading cause of death for adult men and teenage to young adult women there).

people being healthier and having more active lifestyles and supporting that is different than wasting energy raging over people being fat

>> No.10644211

>>10644181
>most of the women there are ana
japanese women are skinny because they don't constantly stuff themselves with unhealthy shit and get their daily dose of movement or light workout, just habits that are pretty common in japanese culture (starving yourself isn't one of them)

>> No.10644212

>>10644211
>>10644209
God I hate weebs like this. Japanese women won't fuck you, fag.

>> No.10644213

>>10644212
why are you so offended kek

>> No.10644214

>>10644209
get out, scrote.

>> No.10644217

>>10644214
>>10644212
kek imagine calling people scrotes and assuming we want to fuck japanese girls for knowing facts and not having a stupid western media fueled view of japan as a country full of anorexic women just because they are normal weight. >>10644211 is right as well, starving yourself isn't japanese culture.

>> No.10644218

>>10644212
If anyone's a weeb it's anon claiming all Japanese women are ana. Weebs usually have a warped perception of Japan's culture and parrot what they hear online with no real idea of what Japan is actually like.

>> No.10644223

>>10644217
>starving yourself isn't japanese culture.
you sound like a scrote because you assume that anyone in the lolita thread gives a shit about "japanese culture"

>> No.10644227

>>10644217
This is ironic because western media is what fuels your weird asian nationalist view of everyone in japan being healthy.

>> No.10644231

>>10644227
nobody said that EVERYONE in japan is healthy, anons are literally just listing reason why jp people aren't fat

>> No.10644232

>>10644223
because anon claimed that japanese people being anti-obesity was against their norms=cultural thing and equating imaginary high anorexia rates with that

>>10644227
no one said everyone there is healthy, just that many places outside of north america like europe too are healthier on average as far as getting more daily movement and eating smaller portions. has nothing to do with asian nationalism kek idk why the fuck you're making it poltical

>> No.10644233

>>10644232
are you mentally ill?

>> No.10644234

>>10644231
>anons
>s
You wish.

>> No.10644235

>>10644234
are you that surprised more than one person is capable of knowing or interpreting basic bitch information?

>> No.10644237

>>10644232
>>10644217
>>10644209
you keep mentioning western media. where did you learn this then?

>> No.10644240

Can you guys shut the fuck up? Everyone knows all east asian countries have under reported instances of EDs that no one really bats an eye at. But this shit has nothing to do with unpopular jfash opinions. "Western media" anon clearly has yellow fever or is a "proud to be asian" type of shitposter, but they are clearly not a fucking lolita.

>> No.10644250

>>10644240
Japanese culture and jfashion kinda go hand and hand anon. Stop being a stickler on 4chan. This isn't reddit. If you want forum rules, go to a forum and post there.

>> No.10644259

>>10644250
Same goes for you, don't like it? There's the door.

>> No.10644278

>>10644259
>Been here since 2004
Gb2gaia, you piece of shit. I've been here too long to leave, you have a choice. But this isn't a forum.

>> No.10644280

>>10644240
>>10644237
i mentioned western media once and said the whole 'they're all so skinny' thing is a western misconception because most asians have similarly average healthy weights so they know japan's not a country full of proana waifs but muricans love to get their panties in a bunch over any country where people are thin and act like it's an ed to not stuff your face. and i was the one defending not pointlessly hating on fat people in the first place, someone just made up the lie that all japanese women are ana

if anyone has yellow fever or messed up opinions it's those that have a weird obsession with claiming asians are these weight obsessed ana chans; i mentioned europe too but people want to stick to the bullshit asian nationalist accusation because they have no evidence that japan has higher ana rates than other places (eds are under reported in countries besides east asia too because being thin is a thing that gets treated as attractive in lots of countries and most people try to hide their eds in general, doesn't mean literally every woman is every non burger country is anorexic)

>> No.10644319

>>10642792
As a third world lolita, I think non-printed replicas are fine.

>> No.10644323

If you need to ask for a payment plan you shouldn't be buying the item in the first place
possible exceptions for very rare items

>> No.10644329

>>10644280
Weight is very important in japan and the girls are always dieting though. Not eating is seen as normal. Ive went to japanese school and the pressure to weigh under 54kg or whatever is huge. Its crazy to me. With that being said, there are also many Japanese girls who eat all day and theyre still skinny and theres more and more fat japanese ppl there too.
I guess its a culture shock for Americans because everything diet related is seen as bad there whereas in the rest of the world, dieting is fine.

>> No.10644337

>>10644329
Do you mean school in the sense of secondary or tertiary education? Because if it's the former, it should be absolutely no problem to stay under 54 kg for a girl who's 16-18 years old.

>> No.10644339

>>10644323
absolutely yes. my lolita friends are always paying off something or other. I don't get it. If I don't have all the money, I don't have the money.

>> No.10644341 [DELETED] 

>>10644339
I have a “friend” who’s owed me $500 for six months for a dress she bought from me but she just keeps whining about how she doesn’t have money while simultaneously buying new AP releases constantly. I’ll never do a payment plan for anyone ever again.

>> No.10644353

The black colorway of most sweet dresses is superior to the other colorways.

>> No.10644356

>>10644341
Yes, I had similar "friends". It's mind boggling because they all seem well adjusted in their privates lives. Like owning their own homes, being in full time employment, being able to afford vacations abroad etc. etc. But at the same time it takes them 10 weeks to complete their $300 purchase. Make me wonder how they are prepared for emergency situations like job loss, appliance replacements, future major house repairs. Living exclusively on credit and from paycheck to paycheck is quite a dangeruos game to play.

>> No.10644359

>>10644165
Not true at all, you can still see people wearing lolita and lolita brands on accounts like tokyofashion fairly often

>> No.10644366

>>10644356
It's because they are always on loan. I've received financial advice when buying my house and technically the best way to get ahead is to always be on loan and never drop a full amount on anything. It's good for credit too, ironically. But yes, that's how you become *rich* as well.

Those girls aren't struggling, though. They just are playing your ass with no interest. I don't believe in payment plans for second hand goods, personally.

>> No.10644368

>>10644359
>>10644165
Ironically, I have a friend that I've known since getting into lolita(10 years ago) and he goes over to Japan every 6 mo or so. He really thought it was a vital point to "rub in my face" that no one wears lolita or the kind of things I wear as "jfashion" as Japanese fashion.

He's just a prick, honestly. Harajuku isn't what it used to be, from what I've heard but it doesn't mean much to me.

>> No.10644380

>>10643603
I just saw that they're now offering this in an XL size. It's bad enough that it's low quality but sort of cute. Now we have to prepare for the incoming wave of 'plus plus size' itas trying to stuff their rolls into it.

>> No.10644382

>>10644380
Links?

>> No.10644385

>>10644382
It's on devilinspired so the Lor-ita's are gonna flock to itt.

>> No.10644386

>>10644319

Agreed. You can't copyright a ruffle.

>> No.10644390

>>10644353
black colorway supremacy its the only colorway that really makes the design of the print really pop out

>> No.10644394

>>10644341
that's why, friend or not, you never ever send the dress until payment is completed. sorry you had to learn that the hard way and have your trust broken.

>> No.10644401

>>10644356
>owning their own homes
They don't actually own their home, that's for sure. These kinds of people live on credit, paycheck to paycheck, and will find any excuse to delay paying anything.
I always get super pissed off when I see an item on hold for payment or payment plan-related sales. I have money burning in my pocket. Just let me buy it. I always pay in full within minutes of getting an invoice.

>> No.10644409

>>10644353
>>10644390
Hard disagree. Black for pastel prints looks like a gaping black hole. The contrast is jarring. It washes out the print, if anything.
Just say you can't afford the prices of the pink, sax, etc colorway and go.

>> No.10644418

>>10644409
i dont wear sweet but go off ig kek

>> No.10644420

>>10644418
The OP specifically mentioned sweet.

>> No.10644424

>>10644420
>Just say you can't afford the prices of pink, sax, whatever
im not OP im >>10644390 and i was commenting on this part lol

>> No.10644431

>>10644409
I'm not neither of the anons you quoted, but I prefer black prints as well. Not poor, either and have plenty of non-black sweet lolita.

I just prefer bittersweet. It lets me wear lolita without feeling "too sweet." I've felt like this since I started lolita.

>> No.10644438

>>10644431
Bittersweet isn't real.

>> No.10644440

>>10644431
i hate retards like you who think black = dark/goth/edgy.

>> No.10644442

>>10644440
>i hate retards like you who think black = dark/goth/edgy
nayrt but isnt there like a whole substyle defined by mostly black/dark clothing called, idk, gothic? kek.

>> No.10644446

>>10644442
sweet in black=/=goth

>> No.10644448

>>10644440
>>10644438
You're both retarded. I don't care how new you are to the fashion, I'm going to keep using the term like I have for 10 years. Fuck off.

>> No.10644449

>>10644440
You're literally a retard, thinking bittersweet = edgy/goth

Fucking newfag.

>> No.10644453

sweet/shiro only looks good on dark-skinned people and bittersweet/kuro only looks good on light-skinned people

>> No.10644458

>>10644453
this sort of take pops up once in a while and it's not only stupid, but bland by now

>> No.10644482

Lolitas need FDS. Stop letting LVM scrotes use you and get yourself someone of actual value! You deserve better.

>> No.10645221
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Animal ear headdresses aren't ita as long as they match the print of the dress.

>> No.10645229

Everyone shits on taobao but at least there's brands still producing cute pjs and swimsuits now that Japanese brands don't

>> No.10645231

I’m not sure how truly unpopular it is, it seems 50/50 but. I really love cross prints/catholic imagery in prints and coords

>> No.10645232

>>10644482
>FDS
>LVM
what

>> No.10645286

>>10643133
You have to engage in the community to change something though. Excluding yourself from it wont make it better. We all can have influence

>> No.10645288

>>10643540
Isn't that the case with most cosplayers anyways?

>> No.10645290

>>10643603
It looks ugly and comical to me but that's probably necause of taste. I don't like new AP either. I get that it's one of the better taobao pieces though. Still looks like an even worse copy of tacky NuAP

>> No.10645298

>>10644032
I wouldn't go near them either. It just gives off such a creepy vibe. If you wanna wear lolita atleast learn to do passable make up and styling

>> No.10645321

>>10645232
not that anon, but I have seen this dumb sperging in the past and know FDS is female dating strategy, and LVM is low value male. Dumb shit

>> No.10645327

>>10644482
Lolitas already have FDS they're usually self sufficient and dont live to serve men.

>> No.10645414

>>10644001
>>10644009
There is such a huge variety of body types and fat distribution, tho. I'm also 5'5" and I've never in my life when measuring myself got a 25" waist measurement. I'm 28" at 135 lbs, the smallest waist I've ever had was like 26" at 120 lbs. It sucks lmao, I'm very rectangle/boyish shaped. At least I'm not an apple I guess. Let's have a moment of silence for those of us who lost the small waist lottery.

So yeah, I don't think there's a "one-size-fits-all" (or doesn't fit, as it were) test. But I do think there are pieces that the average person, or maybe even the majority of people, will have a much harder time with, and those skirts along with VM and MM probably fall in there.

>> No.10645463

>>10642901
>needs me to wear lolita daily and thus do all my daily activities in lolita
>needs me to also be a chaste maiden

Larper

>> No.10645465

When I count how many main pieces are in someone's wardrobe, I genuinely do not count the taobao or bodyline dresses they have.

They're not proper lolita dresses to me.

>> No.10645495

>>10645414
I’m the exact same size and I figured that you have to get to 115 to gain a waist. Above 120 will make you look like a rectangle. 114 gives me a 25 in waist. It’s pretty maintainable too

>> No.10645548

>>10645414
>>10645495
It also depends on your fitness level.. You're going to have a smaller waist, if you work out less and are more skinny fat or are toned. Working out your waist is going to build muscle and that increases waist size if you're building muscle. With fitness levels you'd have to be starving yourself, while working out to not end up bulking up honestly.

>> No.10645550

>>10642901
Flip side, if you own lolita, wear lolita, participate in lolita related activities, like things within the comm or purchasing lolita/following updates then you're a lolita.

No one cares what lifestyle lolitas think btw. Ya'll fucking retarded making pennies working as a librarian or something. We're out here buying up brand with actual real jobs.

>> No.10645551

>>10645465
>When I count how many main pieces are in someone's wardrobe
look inward

>> No.10645557

>>10645551
not that anon, but I feel the same way about others and myself. I do not count the lolita in my closet that's taobao or bodyline.

>> No.10645570

>>10645548
I was under the impression that working out helps maintain/slim down your waist? Now I'm confused... And by working out I mean cardio, walking/running, dance workouts etc

>> No.10645575

>>10645570
Cardio usually tones. But if you're doing other kinds of work outs like anything that crunches the muscles in your waist then it'll increase the size if you build muscle there.

>> No.10645593

>>10645570
think of it like this - if you build muscle in the waist and not get rid of the fat you're just adding on to what's there

>> No.10645600

>>10645575
Cardio literally doesn't tone anything except the muscles you use for it like legs. If you mean burning fat with cardio helps slim your waist then yeah but weights are what tone your muscles and you have to be lifting pretty heavy and intentionally eating enough calories and protein to build bulky muscle.

>> No.10645618

>>10645548
BMI of 19 is not “starving,” nor does exercise change your body shape

>> No.10645625

>>10645618
>exercise doesn't change body shape
You are insane. If you have more muscle in an area you will by definition change the shape

>> No.10645629

How come I have a bmi of 16 and still don’t feel like I look skinny enough? Am I just anachan or are some people just destined to never look fully skinny

>> No.10645632

>>10645557
that's not what I was referring to.

>> No.10645633

>>10645625
You have have a larger waist size while having a flat stomach. Unless you go from fat to fit, your body shape won’t change

>> No.10645646

The ita threads are full of nitpicks and the true trainwrecks are few and far between.

Summerfags don't remember the lacemonsters, cat ears, horrible replicas, and arm warmers of yore and think that toned-down, simllistic coords are 'ita.'

>> No.10645649

>>10645629
anachan

>> No.10645652
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>> No.10645664

>>10645652
How did the hood get so disgustingly crusty in the first place?
I didn't see the water at first and my retard brain thought the soap was something else so thanks for the nightmares

>> No.10645666

>>10645633
A larger/straighter waist from working out is still a change in shape?

>> No.10645690

>>10645495
I'm 5'2" and had a a 24" waist at 125 lbs. Fat distribution is luck of the draw.

>>10645570
Cardio = fat loss, which makes your whole body smaller, including the waist. Strength exercises including pilates and some kinds of dance build muscle. If you build muscle in your lower body and shoulders your waist will look small by comparison, but if you build your obliques, your waist will look wider.

>> No.10645702

>>10645629
echoing the other anon and say anachan but also could be your bodyshape? im a former anachan and struggled a lot with the fact that my shoulders and hips were so broad no matter how scrawny i got. unfortunately if you are built this way there's not anything you can do to look like girls with slight, narrow frames. wishing you a smooth recovery

>>10645646
agree, and it's weird because they don't even have to scrounge for relevant content. i dont know why they even bother stooping to posting nitpicks en masse when places like lolita amino and the lolita subreddit exists that churn out actual ita shit that constantly gets overlooked in favor of a dozen ethots who are clearly not even trying to emulate lolita fashion,

>> No.10645711

>>10645664
>my retard brain thought the soap was something else
So that's NOT a hotglued cumya?

>> No.10645727

>>10645690
>Fat distribution is luck of the draw.
Exactly. Fat distribution and things like bone structure can't really be helped. I'm 5'7" and at 120 lbs my waist was 21". It's not that I was in great shape, or an anachan, I just have a very small ribcage. And on the other side of the coin, my thighs are each the size of my waist so I can wear old tiny burando skirts but otks are a struggle.

>> No.10645767

>>10645495
>Above 120 will make you look like a rectangle
waist size changes with weight but your body shape depends on bone structure and fat distribution

>> No.10645774

>>10645727
That’s crazy. I’m 5’7” and 120, skinny, and my waist is 27”

>> No.10645805

>>10645774
Mfw I'm 5'6" 118 lbs and 31" Waist. Feels bad man

>> No.10645806

>>10645805
nonny wtf

>> No.10645823

>>10645727
>>10645774
5'7 and 110 with a 36 inch bust here (and I don't even have large boobs, its just bone structure). Fuck genetics. Makes no sense. Hips are 39 inches too somehow. What the fuck.
>>10645646
Nitpicks have been happening on this board for literal years though?

>> No.10645843

>>10645727
I’m 5’8” and 26” waist. Curse my massive ribcage

>> No.10645880

>>10645652
call me a weirdo for overreacting over some random brand character but seeing how some people treat their usakumyas makes me sad

>> No.10646807

>>10645548
I actually found the opposite. I always look slimmer when I do a lot of exercise, and my waist ends up smaller. For one thing, when I exercise I crave junk less, so a good diet is easier to maintain. But also, when I did a lot of core exercises, my waist measurement went down by at at least 1 cm without losing any weight. Idk if that's just a fluke or what.

>>10645495
I feel like I could get to 115 but I'd have to work fairly hard to maintain it, and it's not even worth it at that point. I do kind of still have a waist (going by silhouette alone) bc some weight went to my hips, but it's not a particularly small waist by any means. I'll get to a happy place eventually lol.

>> No.10647941

>>10642800
> For me, as long as you don't need to modify or buy plus size to fit, you're fine
NAYRT and I know this is an old post but just because you can fit *into* a garment does not mean it fits properly. Most Japanese brand’s dresses hover somewhere around US XXS-S, and many of the people I see wearing them are closer to a US M-XL. It’s very common to see western lolitas wearing A-line dresses as empire waist dresses because their breasts take up the entire bodice. I get that brand sizing is inherently exclusive and that’s shitty, but just buy from a brand that makes clothes in your size or commission something that fits

>> No.10648545

I hate Chinese lolitas for making it impossible to find a-line skirts/jsks/ops.

>> No.10649197

2010s lolita needs to have its own name. Pre-2010s is old school typically and modern lolita is too different in material and silhouette from the 2010 era.

>> No.10649231

>>10643555
>More important than being the uniquest most ""creative"" snowflake there is, is to dress pleasantly and not like a kid playing dressup with mom's clothes.


so then no one should wear lolita then?

>> No.10652790

I feel guilty for this but I'm strongly contemplating buying an aliexpress babydoll replica for cheap just to see if the cut would look ok on me before dropping the money for a real one. I don't want to support replica makers but the idea of spending $300+ on something that'll look terrible on me is depressing, even if I can just sell it again and make most of the money back.

>> No.10652793

>>10652790
If you buy the replica but it doesn’t work you can’t resell it without loosing most of the value. If you buy the real thing but it doesn’t work you can resell it for possibly a profit if you’re clever about it. Just have to ask yourself how much your emotional pain worth in $.

>> No.10652798

>>10649197
In Japan they do have own names for various types of old-school, but it simply doesn't translate well to english. Like how 懐古ロリータ is very specific about first gen lolita and late 00s/early10s isトラディショナルロリータ.

>> No.10652804

>>10645843
that’s not massive for your height, that’s very slightly below average

>> No.10652839

>>10652790
Don't feel guilty? You have a legitimate want to see if a cut looks good on you. I personally would seek out a dress I actually wanted in a similar style over a replica, especially if you plan to buy the real deal.

>> No.10653090

>>10652793
this plus the replica won’t fit you the same way and probably lead you to an incorrect conclusion about how the real deal fits. just buy it and dont be poor

>> No.10653188

Idk how you guys all have such "large" measurements but are tall and weight 120 max wtf. When I was 108/110lb I was like 33-23-33. 5'7-5'8 for reference. Bad ribcage RNG lol

>> No.10653189

>>10653188
Weigh^

>> No.10653206

>>10653188
By being shorter than you. A lot of us are around 5’5, and hardly anyone posted here about being under 120

>> No.10653218

>>10653206
You should have smaller proportions by being smaller. I feel like people are lying about their weight and or height. Or shit genetics I guess

>> No.10653223

>>10652798
stop making up shit about how japanese lolitas use phrases. this distinction does not exist and almost nobody uses the phrase トラディショナルロリータ these days either

>> No.10653343

nonnies pls ribcage size doesn’t matter as long as you fit into unshirred brand

>> No.10655601

I wish offbrand taobao or bodyline lolita print miniskirts existed. Why are they so rare/non existent :'(