Lolita General: Covid19-kei edition

[Anonymous No.10410983]

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[Anonymous No.10410998]

you guys have a sticky? trying to get my feet wet in lolita fashion
>inb4 lurk moar

[Anonymous No.10411009]

>>10410998
thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com

for further questions, use the stupid questions thread

[Anonymous No.10411042]

>>10410998
Fyeahlolita is old but still probably the best we have. Just take some information with a grain of salt and compare with what brands put out recently. A lot have changed in fashion from when the blog was made.

[Anonymous No.10411160]

>>10410983
Just came back from a town not in lockdown. It was so nice just living life normally for a day, but I was so sad I did not think ahead and pack a coord for some pictures.

[Anonymous No.10411162]

Jewelry preview from Candy blog.

[Anonymous No.10411163]

>>10411009
>>10411042
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.10411164]

>>10411162

[Anonymous No.10411206]

>>10411164

This looks a lot like what you'd find in an etsy shop...a GOOD etsy shop. But just a bit kitschy which I assume was their goal with how some of the pendants look like vinyl records and all.

[Anonymous No.10411214]

>>10411206
Of course I don't have either of these, but I do own a few of this genre of "giant plastic logo on bead necklace" and I have to say AP's necklaces are definitely made of high-quality materials. Now, it's still plastic; it's trying to look like a kid's necklace, but it feels so much better made then kids stuff. When I first got started in Lolita, I swore off AP plastic stuff because I thought it was a waste of money but after having most of my cheap plastic break overtime I came to realize that longevity has value in it of itself.

As much as Angelic Pretty tries to be elegant sometimes, I've always seen their main-vein of inspiration as being retro-kitsch mixed with a kawaii twist. I've always thought that was there version of being "subversive" instead of being gothic-edgy.

[Anonymous No.10411230]

>>10411214
I think they do the kawaii retro-kitsch much better than when they try to be elegant.

[Anonymous No.10411232]

JetJ has such pretty lace

[Anonymous No.10411253]

>>10411214
> retro-kitsch mixed with a kawaii twist
Imo this is very true, all of that poodles, phones, powder puffs. I find it even more “classic AP” than 2012 OTT pastel prints. Although it’s still feels a bit different, as if they dropped that “doll-like” feel and went for rather vintage look.

[Anonymous No.10411267]

>>10411162
I have this weird split-brain reaction to this. Whenever AP releases something good, I'm both happy and sad. Happy because it reassures me they haven't completely dissented from the style I love, but sad because I know it'll be a bloodbath with 0 chance of me getting it.

Right now I'm actually kind of happy I don't feel the need to have these. It saves me so much stress. I really like the pendant on >>10411164
though. But that neon blue is too harsh for anything I wear.

[Anonymous No.10411328]

>>10411267
>Right now I'm actually kind of happy I don't feel the need to have these. It saves me so much stress.

Strongly relate since I've spent a lot during quarantine and now saving up for Grand Bazar. Luckily, neon necklaces are not my style, although I admit those are pretty nice.

[Anonymous No.10411415]

>>10411206
It looks like it's for neon star diner so that explains the kitschy vibes to me as well as the bright neon colors. Maybe they'll get released soon together with the MTO? I hope I can get one

>>10411214
AP jewelry isn't even that expensive at retail, it's the secondhand market that's crazy high. Even the Paris price isn't that bad considering how big the sales tax is.

[Anonymous No.10411449]

>>10411328
I wonder how/if laforet will do grand bazar with corona? Usually the building is packed to the brim with shoppers and shop staff screaming at you to buy now

[Anonymous No.10411462]

>>10411449
Man, I fucking forgot about corona. I think it's totally plausible if they cancel the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.10411463]

>>10411449
japan is already opening back up.

[Anonymous No.10411506]

>>10411463
There’s still about a month until the bazaar. Things could get worse again

[Anonymous No.10411528]

>>10411463
A lot of Japanese businesses/shop are still remaining closed or have limited hours. Not to mention Japan still has a standing "Refusal of Landing" order for many countries, including the US. I would not be surprised if there is no Bazaar.

[Anonymous No.10411634]

>>10411164
>>10411164
Does AP normally drop jewelry this long after the print release? Neon Star Diner came out awhile ago.

[Anonymous No.10411636]

>>10411214
AP and "elegant" are two words that don't go together. Maybe now their super expensive OTT releases try to be elegant but they've always been a tic-tac away from Meta in terms of tackiness.

[Anonymous No.10411656]

>Looking over my collection of tea party memorabilia while spring cleaning.
>Post card for each year I attended an event.
>5+ years in a row and only art of black lolita's.
>Including a drawing of Lovely Lor with suspiciously dark skin and features that barely resemble her.
>Comm has almost no black lolita's in it, they left and created their own comm years ago due to racism related drama.
Is this performative allyship?

[Anonymous No.10411666]

>>10410983
Are the dresses from girlism nice? They look like taobao and don't have closeups of the materials

[Anonymous No.10411671]

>>10411656
>Comm has almost no black lolita's in it, they left and created their own comm years ago due to racism related drama
You answered your own question

[Anonymous No.10411672]

>>10411634
They do if they feel like it

[Anonymous No.10411680]

>>10411666
Girlism is a magazine which features both Japanese and Chinese brands. So I don't understand your question.

[Anonymous No.10411686]

>>10411680
Sorry it was not clear. I found dresses I like, some with the reservations now over, and tried to reverse image search and search for the "brands" labelled on the girlism site. Like "Upon Avon," they had a very cute OP but the reserve ended in April and I can't find the dress anywhere else

The sizing is also odd, usually I'm a M or L in taobao and every dress I like on the girlism site would appear to need to be XL. But when I buy taobao in XL in the past it was so huge I had to sell or give it to friends.

So my question is twofold, whether I can obtain the brands through taobao or other resellers, or if it's original what the quality is.

As you can see this dress looks lovely in faraway edited shots, there is not one unedited shot up close to show the material texture or quality. I am used to brand sites or Wunderwelt giving closeups of material and taobao not doing it to hide the shiny thin poly

[Anonymous No.10411687]

>>10411680
Here's a link. Looks very expection vs reality on the listings that do have unedited photos

https://girlism-store.com/items/5edb4c8f72b9117b049d1a97

[Anonymous No.10411688]

>>10411686
- Some Chinese brands only sell on Weibo so you won't be able to find them on Taobao.
- Once the reservations period is over, you have to wait until there's a "leftover" listing to buy. Sometimes the dress is limited and will not have a leftover listing.
- Resellers are tied to the Taobao shops. They don't buy quantities ahead of time. So if it's out of stock on Taobao, it will be out of stock with resellers as well.
- Most Taobao brands actually run small, the same or even smaller than Japanese brands, as their main clientele are small Chinese girls.
- For quality, look at the reviews on the Taobao listing for the dress. It's the second tab in the description section. Lots of girls post their own candids along with their comment.

[Anonymous No.10411737]

>>10411656
>black Lor
This sounds hilarious, do you have a photo?

[Anonymous No.10411738]

>>10411463
Laforet requires temperature checks and masks/hand washing before you enter. Most events are still being cancelled so I doubt the grand bazar will happen.

[Anonymous No.10411742]

>>10411738
I know GB is the way all the shops in Laforet purge their old stock, so I know they'll have to sell it somewhere, just wondering if they'll do it online only or implement some kind of in store sale by appointment and limited numbers. I guess we'll find out soon.

[Anonymous No.10411758]

How many honey cakes can one single spamming seller sell before people stop buying them out of caution?

[Anonymous No.10411761]

>>10411758
I didn't understand what you were talking about so I went on LM.

Why the would someone buy 4 identical color/cuts unless they were planning to scalp? Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.10411762]

>>10411761
How is it disgusting? These dresses had an unlimited mto which anyone could have gotten. Just because you were too poor to get it then doesn't make the after-sellers bad people.

[Anonymous No.10411765]

>>10411737
I second this, please post black Lor

[Anonymous No.10411768]

>>10411762
I don't like Honey Cake and I never have. I'm the anon that posted in the nightmare dress thread about the Yellow Honey Cake MTO.

Go look at the LM listings. The seller is making a profit. You said it best yourself - the MTO was unlimited so almost anyone who wants it could get it at the time. So it's even more obvious this seller is praying on people who couldn't pay at the time and they are making money off of it now. They are trying to be some "uwu kawaii" store too which is even more gross.

[Anonymous No.10411769]

>>10411768
I don't consider this scalping because the item was literally unlimited. Nothing wrong with making a profit off an unlimited item later on. Everyone had an equal and fair chance to get it, unlike with limited items.

[Anonymous No.10411772]

>>10411769
It literally is scalping though you moron

[Anonymous No.10411773]

I guess this is where lolita should be against capitalism because scalping is actual capitalist thing.

[Anonymous No.10411776]

>>10411769
I can sort of see your point, but I'm just really put off by people who have "stores" on LM where all they do is resell unworn clothing. Like they aren't selling original product, and even if they were, they should do that in Etsy, etc. The seller's profile just oozes with "I don't wear the fashion but I can make a buck off of it."

[Anonymous No.10411777]

>>10411773
Hi ClosetforDollz

[Anonymous No.10411778]

>>10411737
>>10411765
Still trying to understand why the "artist" chose to make her East Indian.

[Anonymous No.10411780]

>>10411778
Hilarious when you consider Lor being so white that she could use her clown paint as daily foundation.

[Anonymous No.10411787]

>>10411772
Look up the definition of scalping. You can't scalp something that is available in unlimited quantities. Scalping involves buying up a large quantity of a limited supply which takes away other people's opportunity to buy it themselves. That doesn't work with a mto and if anything, this puts more copies of the dress into circulation, which is a positive.

[Anonymous No.10411790]

>>10411762
>hurr durr ur just poor
Fuck off scalper, they aren't the one shitting up LM with flipped dresses just because they can't get a proper job.

[Anonymous No.10411791]

>>10411787
>that is available in unlimited quantities
MTOs are only available for a limited time. Or else no one would buy their shit.

[Anonymous No.10411792]

>>10411787
Dictionary definitions are not always the be all end all, especially when it comes to something like scalping. If that’s what you base all your knowledge off of and not real life experiences it’s no wonder you’re dumb as a brick. You can cry all you want that she’s actually helping the community, but she’s not. Sure, there’s always people that want MTOs when they’re announced and can’t afford them, but it’s shitty to buy 4 $300 dresses to take advantage of these people and sell them for $400+ each, and yes, it’s scalping, just of a different sort.

[Anonymous No.10411794]

>>10411787
>that is available in unlimited quantities
MTOs are only available for a limited time. Or else no one would buy their shit and just buy off AP. There is 0 excuse to do this on LM instead of getting a real shopfront (and paying fees/taxes) either.

[Anonymous No.10411795]

>>10411787
Since you’re so interested in definitions, maybe look up what unlimited means

[Anonymous No.10411800]

>>10411778
If I was Lor I'd be real annoyed at this misrepresentation.

[Anonymous No.10411812]

>>10411778
If Kattors is the artist it makes perfect sense

[Anonymous No.10411827]

Is anyone else in the US experiencing customs delays? One of my EMS packages from April finally left Japan, but it’s been stagnant in customs for over a week.

[Anonymous No.10411848]

>>10411827
Which customs ISC is yours at anon? Mine has been in Chicago going on three weeks now.

[Anonymous No.10411863]

>>10411800
This is racist as fuck. People would be mad if a non white lolita was whitewashed so I don't understand why it's acceptable to do to Lor

[Anonymous No.10411864]

>>10411463
Tokyo closed for 6 days in May and that was about it. They only closed certain stores and cut hours but barely. The cases are only growing from there. I wouldn’t be surprised if the bazaar happens

[Anonymous No.10411868]

>>10411863
It's dumb as hell but not racist. Why are whities so desperate to be oppressed?

[Anonymous No.10411870]

>>10411778
This is the first time I'm seeing this and hmm. Why does she have an oompa loompa orange tan? This is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.10411875]

>>10411761
>>10411792
Aside from the 4 currently on auction she have already sold 12 hc jsks on LM.

[Anonymous No.10411900]

>>10411868
Sure Jan. If a black lolita was drawn white everyone knows you'd be screeching. I can deal with race swapping fictional characters but it's inappropriate to do it to real people. What's next, drawing women as trannies because only they can be ~~~oppressed~~~

[Anonymous No.10411911]

>>10411868
I mean I would say it’s racism but not because muh reverse racism. Blackfishing by proxy is still weird

[Anonymous No.10411919]

what does cgl think the levels of gatekeeping should there be for somebody to be considered a lolita? Should it just be people that have at least 1 proper coordinate? I've heard some people here say that you're only a 'real lolita' if you don't own any bodyline anymore

[Anonymous No.10411925]

>>10411919
You are a lolita when you wear the lolita coord.

[Anonymous No.10411929]

>>10411919
post this to the stupid questions thread

[Anonymous No.10411932]

>>10411919
I've been here for years and I've literally never seen that. It has nothing to do with brands, it has to do with styling. Imo having one coord isn't really enough because then it might just as well be your one weird outfit for cons. I'd say maybe around 5 proper, not-ita coords. They don't have to be amazing, just nothing which blatantly doesn't look like lolita or uses garbage Milanoo-tier items.

[Anonymous No.10411941]

>>10411929
Nayrt, but this is a conversation topic, not a specific question that has an obvious or googleable answer. If you are going to larp being a mod at least learn what different threads are for

[Anonymous No.10411944]

>>10411919
T b h trying to define yourself as a lolita will probably result in you trying too hard. Just wear the clothes and use the label when it’s relevant

[Anonymous No.10411950]

>>10411919
At least one full decent coord to join an online group or IRL comm. It doesn't have to be perfect, but should show that you have a general idea of the aesthetic. But there's an expectation that you'll continue to grow your wardrobe and improve your style over time. If you just have one coord forever, idk if that really counts. Just having one is akin to cosplay or perma-ita status.

[Anonymous No.10411983]

>Yamato package from SS
>leaves Japan yesterday
>cool
>EMS package from two months ago
>also leaves Japan yesterday
>omg yes FINALLY
>combined value is over $1400
>both might hit US customs at the same time
Fuck.

[Anonymous No.10412030]

gloiresoleil on insta asking if foreigners can use yahoo auctions, as if we don’t all see that they are buying items off yahoo auctions and marking them up 300% in their store

so sick of their scalping reseller shit already

[Anonymous No.10412034]

>>10412030

I wanted an old school item from them once and they did repair it to be wearable and sold it for around $200USD. Less than gulls here have auctioned off old school pieces for and less than PC has gone for with damage. Is the line for scalping whether or not you wear the fashion or how extreme the markup is or if you are charging market price? I

I'm not defending scalping but based on their streams they do seem to wear the fashion (at least on social media)

[Anonymous No.10412040]

Does anyone remember the indie brand 4 O'clock? What happened to it?

[Anonymous No.10412043]

>>10412034
plenty of scalpers are in the fashion, they just scalp things they don't want and sell popular stuff most of the time. and there are still lots of girls who wear the dress in a coord pic without even removing tags and turn around to sell it as "tried on", bitch you're wearing it in your profile pic.

[Anonymous No.10412058]

>>10412043

Wearing once in a coord could be trying on but yeah it implies less wear than they are claiming which is shady.

I guess to me if it's not higher than the going rate and they even put work in to repair it it doesn't seem like scalping so much as them running a fair business as a repair service...although maybe it isn't a service if no one is requesting them to buy and repair the item. Idk. Could go either way. I'm more annoyed with ClosetForDollz on LM; claiming they have to make cheap rings to afford to live rn because of COVID and then turning around and scalping like 4+ HC MTOs...maybe if they hadn't spent so much on dresses to scalp they'd have more cash saved?

[Anonymous No.10412061]

Does anyone remember when Misako Aoki talked about the difference between Japanese and Western Lolitas? And that she liked it that Western Lolita’s would mix and match items from different series and brands, while Japanese Lolitas would tend to stick to wearing all the matching items from the series? I am trying to remember when/where it was, but I cannot seem to remember nor find the video? again.

[Anonymous No.10412067]

>>10412040
If you mean Linda Friesen, she is still making gowns (under her name rather than 4 O'clock), but they lean more in the bridal/couture direction than lolita. It sounds like contacting her about custom (lolita?) jobs is still feasible, though.

[Anonymous No.10412094]

>>10412034
Anon you don't gave to mentioned that everytime her name drops. And yes you are defending a scalper, she buys cheap stuff for the sole purpose of immediately reselling it and already has a history of shady behaviour in japan, which is why she now tries to cater to us.

[Anonymous No.10412099]

>>10411780
>>10411778
Imagine being this bad

[Anonymous No.10412107]

>>10412099
Jfc second from the bottom on the right has a literal pig nose

[Anonymous No.10412113]

>>10412094

Scalping sucks, some people will still buy, there have been higher prices for less rare items, pointing that out isn't defense.

Don't assume everyone who says this is the same person; that's like assuming everyone who is annoyed about the person is also the same.

[Anonymous No.10412116]

>>10412113
They only repaired one jsk they sold and you already mentioned it in another thread.

[Anonymous No.10412131]

>>10412099
It's hilarious that she drew her friend with a double chin. Actually all her commissions for "friends" are a bit mean, like an offensive caricature you'd buy at the beach.

[Anonymous No.10412145]

>>10412113
This is an extremely specific story but go off

[Anonymous No.10412155]

>>10412131
I've noticed this true, but judging by the Purgatorio thread she's got some mental issues. She's probably drawing her friends uglier on purpose out of some twisted competitive jealousy.
>Armchair but I get a very strong BPD vibe from her.

[Anonymous No.10412162]

>>10411848
Los Angeles. Damn, that sucks, I guess customs is just naturally slow right now then. Wishing both of us luck.

[Anonymous No.10412164]

>>10412162
*nationally

[Anonymous No.10412205]

>>10412145

Not sure if multiple people use this phrase regularly but it's moderately annoying when those who do use it do so when no one is actually upset or angry; it's typically used in in situations where someone was actually being agressive, not just disagreeing. Unless white people use the term differently or something.

[Anonymous No.10412208]

Sorry if someone has asked this already, but has anyone used their unemployment benefits on buying lolita stuff before?

[Anonymous No.10412214]

Is there going to be a neon star diner mto?

[Anonymous No.10412219]

>>10412205
I’m not white though, weird assumption

[Anonymous No.10412222]

>>10412208
if you are in such a dire situation to be on unemployment, you should really be focusing on your bills and setting aside the rest of the money for savings.

[Anonymous No.10412223]

>>10412208

[Anonymous No.10412224]

>>10412222
NAYRT but unemployment isn’t welfare. In the US it’s basically automatic depending on your job and the situation in which you were left unemployed. You could get unemployment and be living with your rich parents and have no bills or responsibilities

[Anonymous No.10412233]

>>10412224
then you would just be an asshole for taking advantage of the system like that.

[Anonymous No.10412238]

>>10412219

Not really given the cgl surveys/polls that show most users are white (and the fact that a large majority of lolitas in general are white and Asian)

[Anonymous No.10412247]

>>10412224
nayrt but I think they're probably talking about covid-19 stimulus checks, which (in my country) can be a decent amount, especially for post secondary students. It ranges from 1200-2000$ and you can still be working to receive it.

[Anonymous No.10412254]

>>10412224
>unemployment isn’t welfare
wtf is your definition of welfare

[Anonymous No.10412258]

>>10409691

Thanks for that link anon! I was able to get a Kumyakumya and Usakumya one. SO much less stressful than AP bloodbaths for jewelry have been for me.

[Anonymous No.10412264]

>>10412162
I also had a package go through NY customs and it left in a day. So I'm not sure how things are working right now but I heard Chicago customs is especially slow all the time.

[Anonymous No.10412267]

What are the odds this is a replica? They claim to not know anything about it or what version it is.

https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/free-shipping-btssb-kuma-kumya-pochette

[Anonymous No.10412269]

>>10412267
i've never seen a kumya replica that looked legit like that. they always look like more generic bears. so odds are pretty low

[Anonymous No.10412274]

Maybe some sort of modification was done to it. Weird that the seller doesn't know it's origin. Didn't they wonder why the bow was on the top of the head?

[Anonymous No.10412279]

>>10412264
I’m not Chicago anon, but I’ve had packages go through Chicago in the past within a day.

[Anonymous No.10412293]

>>10412254
Unemployment is insurance. It's partially paid by the worker and the rest by the employer. When the worker files a claim, they are requesting to be paid from the money they paid over the years of working and paying in. The online system tells you how much you've paid and are allowed to claim *
(at least in my state). It's not free money or money from taxpayers. It's not welfare either. Welfare is not paid into by the people receiving it.

Source: Lost my job to COVID and had to file.

[Anonymous No.10412295]

>>10412254
This >>10412293 welfare is means tested. Unemployment is a universal social safety program similar to social security. Also >>10412254 get fucked if you think I won’t drop my social security checks on brand when I’m 80 (assuming there’s still brand and SS).

[Anonymous No.10412318]

Does anyone have experience with Cruel Arcadia? I'm really interested in their newest release but I haven't been able to find much information on their quality or anything.

[Anonymous No.10412358]

>>10411827
>>10411848
>>10412162
>>10412264

I have a package from the UK that has been stuck in NY customs since May 30th. Confusingly, I have a package from Hong Kong that left Customs in California after only a day.

[Anonymous No.10412425]

>>10412267
I typed kumya limited in google and this lolibrary page popped up in the first 3 results. If that’s it, it’s a 2016 online only edition. It’s missing some things like the gold baby heart and some lace on the bow but is a ringer otherwise.

[Anonymous No.10412427]

>>10412425

Oh cool!

Bummer I missed out on buying it then. The shipping was cheap/free too.

[Anonymous No.10412433]

>>10412318
buy it and let us know how it goes

[Anonymous No.10412437]

Does AP USA have any limited / special goods?

[Anonymous No.10412441]

>>10411778
I think its just bad art with bad shading but intentionally hilarious

[Anonymous No.10412456]

>>10412247
I want to live in your country !
I got 800 Euros, and since I am an art worker I wont be working for an other two months at least.
So that 800 has to last me 5-6 months
Fucking ridiculous

[Anonymous No.10412458]

>>10412238
stop talking out of your ass

[Anonymous No.10412478]

>>10412458

I'm not but go off I guess

[Anonymous No.10412503]

>>10412279
I am Chicago anon. Look up reviews for Chicago ISC if you want to see somethung interesting.

[Anonymous No.10412509]

New Moitie items on Tuesday, lads.
Place your bets!

[Anonymous No.10412520]

>>10412509
Cross arch lace Headdress (easy to do with lace made already), restock of the masks (this we know from twitter lol). We will see the coffin lace again but may be too soon. We are due for more Lace barrettes too.

Since they released blouses I don’t see that happening this time, but a cutsew would work. Or a cutsew dress, even if they do the Catherine op in more colours.

[Anonymous No.10412535]

>>10412456
In my country, you'd got a literal zero.

[Anonymous No.10412539]

>>10412535
I am so sorry

[Anonymous No.10412555]

New AP release, including bunny ears, umbrellas (not parasols), rain coats and clothing for your brand plushie. Everyone cared about the Lyrical Bunny ears, will this be a blood bath? They are less cute, but they are still rabbit ears

[Anonymous No.10412556]

>>10412555
The rain coat and brand plush clothing

[Anonymous No.10412566]

>>10412458
This is all one stupid arguments, but there is a demographics poll conducted every year and it sits in the catalog for months. You can check the archive for it. A lot of people bring it up during stupid arguments, so familiarize yourself with it and... well honestly lurk moar

[Anonymous No.10412580]

>>10412509
that's a really cute cat, anon.

[Anonymous No.10412584]

>>10412556
The face shoop here looks a little uncanny valley

[Anonymous No.10412585]

>>10412247
Actually the range started around $100. And it’s irresponsible of people to spend that money on lolita. I better not hear a peep from anyone who’s about to get evicted because they chose to buy brand and not pay rent

[Anonymous No.10412602]

>>10412585
At least in America it was sent to everyone making less than a certain (very upper-middle class depending on location) amount. I am still working and spent some on lolita. Even if I was out of a job for 6 months I have enough in savings to be fine. Don’t be a judgey ass

[Anonymous No.10412612]

>>10412555
This collection is cute but it’s not ‘omg I need it’ personally

Who knows, it may or may not be another bloodbath, a lot of people like bunny ears

[Anonymous No.10412618]

>>10412509
Did we get cross arch lace up otks already, or just the St. Peter's cross ones? Cuz I think we might get those, hopefully with blue lace for the blue ribbon option.
Seconding >>10412520, I think I vaguely remember the new cross arch headbow being mentioned at the tea party, but you can see it in the pics for the cross arch blouse. I don't think there will be more headdress options though, going off of what I remember from the tea party conversations.

God I wish they'd release the Catharine op in a short cut, actually just release all of their shit in short cuts. I missed out on Gardenia, Nun and Catharine OPs because I hate long cuts. Short cut catherine op just makes more sense for summer anyways, their summer version is only 3 cm shorter and what's the point in shortening it if you're only gonna cut off an inch.

[Anonymous No.10412620]

>>10412264
>>10412279
I had a package from AP Paris stay in Chicago for 2 days, much faster than I expected desu.

[Anonymous No.10412621]

>>10412555
I’m just happy they’re releasing yellow things again

[Anonymous No.10412622]

Cheap dresses are killing lolita. It's a luxury fashion. All main pieces cheaper than 200$ should be labelled ita. I hate girls who wear 30$ taobao that looks like someone made a dress out of toilet paper.

[Anonymous No.10412625]

>>10412622
Trying to bait out taobao-chan are we

[Anonymous No.10412640]

>>10412625
There are good expensive taobao. But cheap taobao is ita

[Anonymous No.10412666]

>>10412318
You should look through the #cruelarcadia tag on Insta, there should be some reviews there.
They're a Korean indie brand and iirc their quality was said to be around that of LIEF's.

[Anonymous No.10412689]

Lor's new vid is so cringy

[Anonymous No.10412698]

>>10412689

I just started watching it; is it cringe because it supports black creators? I haven't gotten to anything cringey yet.

Tyler made a video or two well before the race convo on social media that was about black women wearing lolita that I actually really appreciated as a black lolita and I liked hers a bit more than Lor's references to things in general lately.

It did feel a lil rude that she didn't make an effort to script/organize the video and admitted it despite doing so for other videos. Her comments so far seem super generic like "woke" brands trying to hop on the train.

Tyler is also in a Texas comm and I think actually has real black friends and all so maybe that has something to do with her being more tactful about the issue and actually discussing black lolitas before it was a trend?

[Anonymous No.10412703]

>>10412689

It frustrates me that Lor has such trash taste and might turn people off to shops by highlighting some of the less nice or weird experimental costumey pieces they have instead of some of their cute basics.

[Anonymous No.10412704]

>>10412622
I wouldn't mind it if it wasn't literally flooding LM right now. I wish there was a sales platform strictly for brand and maybe the 5 most popular tb brands and that's it.

[Anonymous No.10412705]

>>10412704

I would say for the 5 best quality/most well regarded rather than most popular taobao brands (ex: Souffle Song is popular but so many of their pieces are cheap trash that is overpriced)

[Anonymous No.10412707]

>>10412698
I know the political situation is tense, but god do I wish american lolitas would stop with the "support black """creators"""(aka just general lolitas)!! Give black people all your attention!! You should feel bad for not having black people on your feed!!" shit, especially when it comes from certain white-passing entitled and attention-starved itas. Like hell, stop speaking in my place and just voice it as your own opinion, sharing a skin color with you doesn't make our thoughts collective. And no, I do not want people to follow me, kiss my ass and put me on a podest just because of my skin color. I don't want them to pay attention or feel obliged to do that just because of my skin color. I don't want them to focus on my skin color but on who I am and what I do, my race is almost insignificant. I wish the fucking obsession with race and skin would stop, but it seems like not even my dearest hobbies are safe. Fuck burgers who spread their worst traits to other countries.

[Anonymous No.10412708]

>>10412698
That’s good to hear that Tyler’s video came off genuine. She seems to cover topics like that with tact and genuine concern, which I always liked about her. I’m not Black, so I couldn’t speak to if she didn’t well there, but it did seem like she actually gave a shit and wasn’t under social pressure.

Lor’s video seemed to just be her trying to do something and decided to just do what buttcape did but in video form. I agree it felt rushed and like she needed to get it out now while it’s popular, which is silly because supporting Black brands isn’t time sensitive.

To me, it would have felt more genuine for her to just make a comment about it and donate the monetization on a normal vid and made a well thought out video later. But again, I’m not Black so grain of salt

[Anonymous No.10412711]

>>10412704
Why don’t you just filter by brand? Honest question. I do that anyway and nevertheless have an issue with seeing tons of BL or shitty taobao or even brand that isn’t what I man looking for atm

[Anonymous No.10412714]

>>10412689
You should not support black owned brand or white owned or brown owned or yellow owned.
You should support well made brand

[Anonymous No.10412717]

>>10412707

Yeah I would rather people support certain creators because they actually appreciate them and their art than for their skin color. And hopping on a bandwagon feels disingenuous...I know it's counterintuitive but it gives me this weird defensive reaction of "why didn't you care about these creators before? do you even like their work?" Though to Lor's credit she has reference Dollbe before, possibly Elegy too.

Some content creators have been sort of addressing the current events in a way that is well integrated into their content (from true crime to medical YouTube), but all the people I see who have posted about things in a way that felt genuine were people who had already addressed these issues in the past out of true concern and are bringing it up again in a tasteful way to raise awareness.

Lor is one of those "shit I have to prove I'm not racist" white people that is all lip service and isn't actually invested in the issue beyond interacting with race issues on the most superficial level so she feels "safe" from being called out for having discussed it. I would much rather this type of social media personality just donate if they want (or not if they don't) and otherwise say nothing than struggle through fulfilling their perceived social obligations to the black community.

[Anonymous No.10412718]

>>10412711

Some people post rushed listings and don't tag them well so you may miss it. Plus you still have to see all the taobao on the home page before you ever hit search and it may end up pushing a popular brand piece off the front page and in those two seconds spent clicking or searching someone else snaps up the piece from you.

[Anonymous No.10412720]

>>10412714
I get what you are saying, but there’s are well made black owned brands and advertising them is not a bad thing. You can do it in a performative way (ala Lor) but I wouldn’t be mad if someone made a lesbian owned or a european based or a small staff size brand list or whatever. Advertising a community or aspect of a brand isn’t muh reverse racism or whatever you are on. Buying from them exclusively because of one aspect and not ignoring quality is performative and weird though

[Anonymous No.10412724]

>>10412718
Idk what LM you are on, but LM doesn’t move so quickly that 2 seconds will kill you in my experience. Shit stays up for weeks

[Anonymous No.10412727]

>>10412724

Some of the good shit like cheap kumyas or well priced items go way faster than you would think. Sometimes despite checking the site over 20 times daily I would miss pieces and not realize they had even been listed except that when searching later I saw it had been sold on a day I'd religiously checked the new listings.

[Anonymous No.10412730]

>>10412689
Should we start ass licking black lolitas and exclude them from the ita thread?

[Anonymous No.10412731]

>>10412727
>checking the site over 20 times daily
I don’t want to tell you what to do with your life, but the $50 tops you might save on a used kumya is not worth that commitment

[Anonymous No.10412733]

>>10412730
>hello yes I would like to fight the fictional arguments in my head and not anything anyone said here

[Anonymous No.10412734]

>>10412731

It doesn't take that much time to open the page in my browser and refresh it when I'm bored and looking at my phone. But it takes longer if people are relisting their low quality taobao resales and I have to scroll through multiple pages.

I've lost cheap dresses and acessories too because of this. It's not a life altering inconvenience but most people don't enjoy looking at rows and rows of the same taobao that the reseller accounts couldn't pawn off on an unsuspecting newb yet. Or the cheap below-etsy tier handmade acessories, though that hasn't been as bad the last week or so.

[Anonymous No.10412735]

>>10412689

But really, how the fuck is supporting some part time creators in an anime dress fashion going to help the cause. I donated, I'm educating myself on systemic racism where I work, I am participating in learning more about the clear delineations of inequality in this country and their long history. Shit like getting lolitas more followers for the sake of just seems attention grabby as all fuck. There is so much more important shit to devote your energy too and I am fuck all out of energy.

[Anonymous No.10412738]

>>10412735

I get it in the sense that black creators may have a harder time financially as a result of systemic racism in regular job markets and may not benefit from donations to only specific organizations, but that has little to no impact on the quality or popularity of their online shop so it is kinda useless to me. Like no one was excluding black indie brands before? If people don't like them it's not a direct result of racism in lolita, many people have no idea of the race of a shop owner.

[Anonymous No.10412739]

>>10412735
The honest answer is it’s mostly done because it’s easy and not any real effort. If Lor was someone’s who regularly did content like this (indie brand list dumps) it would still be a little opportunistic but maybe better. I’m mostly annoyed because like 3 other lolitas already had this list and she could have just pointed them out. There isn’t literally no value added her beyond getting herself asspats

[Anonymous No.10412743]

>>10412720
Nayrt but this type if "advertising" only encourages people to fixate on their race instead of the quality of whatever they offer.

[Anonymous No.10412745]

>>10412743

Yeah if you wanted to have a race targeted way to help, it would be a much better use of time and resources to have popular shops of any race support black creators that struggle by sharing business or sewing/craftsmanship tips that might help them have a better idea of how to market themselves or succeed on their own, or if they have good quality already and are just not well known, do collabs with them or just post good reviews about stuff you may have of theirs that you actually like all throughout the year, not just when it's relevant in the news cycle.

[Anonymous No.10412747]

>>10412745
>hello black person. Let me tell you how to sew better because you are black and can’t do it right
My dude, just say you think it’s a dumb marketing strategy and move on. This idea is stupid a stupid hell

[Anonymous No.10412751]

>>10412747

I'm ayrt and black and I don't see how if the service or help was offered tastefully how it's offensive?

Part of racial disparities in business is a result of lack of awareness of resources, options, and opportunities. Something like sharing sources on techniques, tools, supplies and raw materials, pin or sticker producers, fabric and lace in nice qualities with low minimum order reqs, etc. are all things so many creators online refuse to ever share (to keep their prices competitive or because they feel others don't deserve it unless they do the legwork themselves based on posts I've seen which is so weird to me, do they not think their work is unique or likeable enough that people who follow them would buy their products if they didn't have a slight price difference?)

And offering help to those who want or request it isn't a rude thing to do. Some people feel like they have no idea where to start, being a resource and friend/colleague in their field of work is totally normal and reasonable.

[Anonymous No.10412754]

>>10412738
>many people have no idea of the race of a shop owner
Seriously this. I only discovered Mossbadger to be black owned brand from this Lor's video.

[Anonymous No.10412756]

>>10412751
The way you’re post was phrased sounded like you we’re suggesting people who wanted to help specifically coming to black brands that they thought needed help and offering to help them get better. Which, despite best intentions would probably come off as rude. Honestly, regardless of race saying “hey you suck and need help” is rude. But just opening up resources with the knowledge that it would help people who are less connect helpful and I get you. Makes more sense now.

[Anonymous No.10412757]

>>10412756

Ahh yeah I didn't ean it in a way that people should point out "bad" pieces and offer help, more like an open general offer to help or sharing resources when asked

[Anonymous No.10412781]

>>10412747
>hello black person. Let me tell you how to sew better because you are black and can’t do it right
>hello black person
This is the problem, right there. It doesn't fucking matter if they're black or any other color, it literally has nothing to do with their craft. The conversation in any non-borderline-insane country would be "hello fellow creator, I see you're struggling business-wise so I can help you with xyz if you want because I think you have potential."

[Anonymous No.10412785]

>>10412689
BLM discussion aside, are any of the brands Lor promoted in that video any good?

[Anonymous No.10412799]

>>10412785

I think people generally like Elegy? Maybe more.

At least a few are people who seem to make handmade that is super simple or has nice construction but cheap materials. I think plus sized people like Dollbe but I generally don't love non brand prints.

[Anonymous No.10412802]

Im so sad. I bought really nice IW blouse and it fits me everywhere but sleeves. That damn sleeves are too tight and i can't move my arms.

[Anonymous No.10412805]

>>10412802
If you really like it, take it to a seamstress.

[Anonymous No.10412818]

>>10412785

I'm assuming Mossbadger is in there, and if so, I will stan her rosettes until the end of time. Of all the framed painting resin makers, she also is the original and the best of them. I'll be honest and say that I'm not as huge of a fan of her clothing though, but I'm not a print heavy person so I may be biased in that manner.

[Anonymous No.10412824]

https://youtu.be/cAaN6kIpuF4

[Anonymous No.10412827]

>>10412622
this isn't even good bait, elitist-chan

[Anonymous No.10412830]

>>10412824
Stop posting random YouTube links without a comment. I won't watch it.

[Anonymous No.10412833]

>>10412707
the message has quickly changed from "black people deserve the same respect as everyone else" to "black people deserve special treatment." it's not right

[Anonymous No.10412834]

>>10412830
i'm 20 min into it and it's just a reaction video to the lolita ep of what not to wear
the subject is ita and needs actual coordination help but they're just trying to put her in department store shit

[Anonymous No.10412859]

>>10412834
She's not ita. Simple everyday coords aren't ita. Not everyone looks like your Instagram queens

[Anonymous No.10412883]

>>10412824
>30 year olds aren't allowed to like hello kitty or any other cute things
>only japanese girls can pull off lolita
>berating and bullying the girl until she submits and conforms
that "fashion expert" lady sounds like a lot of /cgl/

[Anonymous No.10412887]

>>10412859
She was ita for the time and ita now. Girl had no real style and only credit you can give to her is that she had brand when it was hard to get.

She looked like shit and she knew it.

[Anonymous No.10412889]

>>10412824
I'm curious to know what become of the lady featured in the episode. She probably doesn't wear lolita anymore though. I hated that they were forcing her into nasty matronly clothes that aged her really bad.

[Anonymous No.10412890]

>>10412824
God this still triggers me after all these years.

[Anonymous No.10412894]

>>10412802
Get a clear hair elastic and loop it through the button hole then around the button. It’ll give you just a little more give.

[Anonymous No.10412896]

>>10412859
lol what? those are not "simple everyday coords", she put a jsk over a normie shirt and called it a day. nothing in her wardrobe is cohesive. it has nothing to do with insta.

[Anonymous No.10412904]

>>10412824
>expecting us to care about the opinion of someone who looks like this
Top kek

[Anonymous No.10412919]

>>10412896
Actually it would be the best if that experts would fix her lolita wardrobe. It wouldnt be full on lolita, more of an otome-ish normie but it would be better than that sad normie shit for grannies

[Anonymous No.10412924]

>>10412919
i completely agree, as-is it's still ita. she looks better ita than whatever mall shit they put her in though.

[Anonymous No.10412937]

>>10412717
Ya, i was watching Lors vid from over a year ago reacting to r0ttingd0lt whatever minidoc (huge trash fire) and i was expecting Lor to go into the tea the way Tyler did but instead she defaulted to " i gotta just let you guys know *cringe* shes kiiiiiinnnddaa racist???" Confused shrug??
As if its ambiguous but Tylers vid painted a very obvious picture. Lor linked Tlyers vid passed off the hard work and wiped her hands clean of that topic. It made the whole video feel disingenuous. Like she just wanted to talk about the fashion then so why does she care now?? Its obvious she doesn't really bc she would have scripted the vid or maybe waited til she has something to coord with in person and genuinely show off.

[Anonymous No.10412939]

>>10412739
This

[Anonymous No.10412941]

>>10412717
this. i haven't been mad about seeing lists of brands with black creators because it brought some brands i didn't know about to my attention, but a lot of it still feels fake and like people with a very shallow understanding/low level of actual investment in dismantling racism are just throwing a BLM! out there to make sure they're safe from criticism. i do know some black women who prefer to specifically support black owned businesses though, and i don't see anything wrong with that.

[Anonymous No.10412953]

>>10412618
>Did we get cross arch lace up otks already, or just the St. Peter's cross ones?
So far, only St. Peter's cross ones.

>Cross arch headbow
Wasn't that an old release? I mean, I guess they could be re-releasing it.

[Anonymous No.10413013]

>>10412953
Ah ok, I thought they might have made a small one off batch of the otks, like the first round of cross arch wristcuffs (the ones before the recent release, they sold out instantly iirc).

It's a redesign more than a rerelease for the bow. The new cross arch headbow looks different from the og one in the cross arch blouse promo pics, and it was mentioned that it is a new version at the teaparty. It seems to be tulle lace on a solid cotton bow rather than completely lace like the old release. Not to mention the difference in the cross charms, kinda bummed about that. I don't own the og bow sadly so I can't go more in depth on the details, this is just what I noticed from the lolibrary entry.

[Anonymous No.10413017]

>>10412208
I'll be honest with you, I definitely am spending a ton of my unemployment benefits on lolita. I am not telling anyone though, just /cgl/. I had already saved up enough money to pay for my bills for the rest of the year before covid hit, and I made more from unemployment than I did from job with the extra PUA. It's a little fucked up, but also I paid into it and I'm helping my family.

[Anonymous No.10413020]

>>10413017
Like honestly it sounds like you're really responsible anon. Most people in general don't save enough to pay bills for the rest of the year.

[Anonymous No.10413021]

>>10412889
I think this it her?

[Anonymous No.10413033]

I hate that most of the cheaper dresses have that stupid ruffle at the hem, that makes it look even more cheap sonehow

[Anonymous No.10413045]

Moitie posted video from the fashion show at AWA

[Anonymous No.10413048]

>>10412509
New coffin lace headdress I’m hoping!

[Anonymous No.10413079]

>>10412937
This website is 18+.

[Anonymous No.10413129]

I came across Yui Minakata's Instagram and honestly her modelling is so boring. She does nothing besides most basic poses

[Anonymous No.10413134]

>>10413021
Is it really? Serious glow-up if so

[Anonymous No.10413149]

>>10412889
Not to bait, but black women, when styled "professional" either look like rap thots or your church-going aunt. A lot of these "fashion" shows have no idea how to dress anyone outside of white and skinny

[Anonymous No.10413176]

>>10412556
Is this actual raincoat material?

[Anonymous No.10413179]

>>10413149
not even bait, just 100% true unfortunately

[Anonymous No.10413182]

>>10413149
It seems they have an idea of "Black Looks" and only pull those from the repertoire. If it's not in their limited palette they don't know how to style in a distinct way.
It's all Professional In A Suit, StreetWear or Bohemian-esque

[Anonymous No.10413186]

>>10413176
AP website lists it as "water resistant 100% polyester", so it's a real raincoat but not one you'd wear in a hurricane

[Anonymous No.10413287]

>>10413129
A lot of models have really boring at best Instagram. Misako's instagram is cute but overall pretty boring imo. I like Rinrin's account because at least she has some diversity in poses and content.

[Anonymous No.10413324]

>>10412556
Tried one on but it was a while ago so prob not the exact one. It was a thin, almost windbreaker type material. The cut was tent like and pretty unflattering.

[Anonymous No.10413325]

>>10413324

Meant as reply to
>>10413176

[Anonymous No.10413333]

>>10413324
"Tent like" as all lolita coats and jackets are to accommodate for petticoats. It's light because japan has a rainy season, so it's not helpful to wear a heavy coat when it's 60-70F.

[Anonymous No.10413351]

>>10412555
The bunny ears don't really feel like they're supposed to be part of this

[Anonymous No.10413352]

>>10413351

The series is "bunny college"

[Anonymous No.10413362]

>>10413352
that doesn't mean they don't look extremely out of place.

[Anonymous No.10413432]

>>10413333
The shoulder measurement was definitely wider than the AP coat I have. But it was not this exact one.

[Anonymous No.10413450]

>>10413362
It looks cute, what the hell are you on about?

[Anonymous No.10413486]

>>10412208
>>10413017
B8 or not, I'll throw my hat in as well.

Since being laid off from my job at the end of March I have spent around $800(CAD) on Lolita. This includes dresses, skirts, blouses, shoes, jewelry, and gloves. Almost all of it was bought second hand and whatever isn't a dress or skirt is western/vintage.

NGL when I totaled up the numbers I knew it was going to be a lot but still >_>" I'm done spending money for a while lol. For context, I'm a newbie trying to build a closet, and also very lucky in that I have very little expenses month to month living with my parents. I also qualified for a government pandemic benefit, which pays me more than I would have normally made at my job. Since quarantine started I've basically stopped leaving my house and spending any money. Plus conventions have all been canceled so I have even *more* money than usual this time of year, with plenty left over to invest into my savings account.

[Anonymous No.10413638]

Does anybody else get emails from closet child? I’m wondering if the new stuff drops at a certain time every day or if it varies by the day, I notice if I check the site after I get the email from closet child some things are already sold out. Speaking of today’s drop there was some really good stuff from AP.

[Anonymous No.10413644]

>>10413486
Everything about this post is cringe. Please lurk more before posting.

[Anonymous No.10413672]

>>10412233
No you wouldn’t be. It’s not a benefit paid for out of taxes we all pay. It’s literally a separate thing you specifically pay into as insurance and you only get it if you paid in. You’re just getting your money back, and how much you get back depends on how much you made at your last job (because that’s what dictates how much you pay in). If you made more, you paid more in, but then you get back more. Are you an asshole for filing an insurance claim after a car accident even if you can afford to pay out of pocket? In some places you can even opt out of Unemployment and not pay in.

[Anonymous No.10413684]

I wish mini hats would return back into fashion

[Anonymous No.10413710]

>>10413644
NAYRT but what's cringe about that?

[Anonymous No.10413723]

>>10412824
What I hate about this show is that the stylists were hell-bent on making everyone conform to the same bland Macy's style rather than trying to work with their individual tastes. They could have easily helped her build a work-appropriate wardrobe that incorporates elements from lolita fashion like flared skirts, puff sleeved blouses, and elegant detailing, and let her keep her lolita dresses to wear in her free time. She didn't look great before, but she was at least happier and more comfortable. She ended up looking like a depressed middle-aged office worker.

[Anonymous No.10413756]

>>10413684
please no.

[Anonymous No.10413830]

Why does Angelic Pretty USA's website suck so much? I kept getting errors during today's release, and didn't get anything I wanted. At checkout it kept saying "an error occurred in obtaining USPS quotes" and gave no shipping options.

Did this happen to anyone else or am I just unlucky this time? I've never seen this error before.

[Anonymous No.10413832]

>>10413830
i know someone who used to do graphics for the site and she said the site is/was coded poorly and people working on the site often complained.

[Anonymous No.10413842]

>>10413710
It’s probably someone of pays too much mind to culture and is sperging about the emoticon

[Anonymous No.10413845]

>>10413830
same here, rip wristcuffs yet again

[Anonymous No.10413879]

>>10413021
Oh wow, she looks really pretty.

[Anonymous No.10413925]

>>10413021
>>10413879
it's not her. this was posted in a thread about the episode as a good example of lolita.

[Anonymous No.10413929]

>>10413021
>>10413879
i tried to track down the source and it's not her. this was posted in a thread about the episode as a good example of lolita. i'm really curious how she looks now too :(

[Anonymous No.10413954]

>>10413756
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.10413983]

>>10412889
I’m pretty sure I found her Facebook page based on the full name and other info she had in her old loli_personals profile, and she’s not wearing lolita in her profile pic, but that doesn’t mean anything. It also hasn’t been updated publicly since 2011.

[Anonymous No.10414019]

>>10412904
OOF

[Anonymous No.10414131]

What do you gulls think the chances are of AP ever again issuing a printed lucky pack? Or a lucky pack with a decent number of pieces? (Like more than 3)
If they did issue a printed lucky pack, do you think they would reuse a popular print like Ice Cream Parlor, or create a new print? They’ve done both ways. What would be your ideal lucky pack? A YouTuber did a video about them recently and I’ve been wondering and gotten myself hyped up 6 months early lol. I’ve only been in the fashion a few years so I missed the heyday of AP LPs. I have gotten a plain set the last couple years to pad out my growing wardrobe but I’d love a good pastel set with accessories and something extra like a cape or a purse or a jacket. I wouldn’t even mind paying more than the sets are now, but I think for some reason they think they can’t offer it because people wouldn’t be willing to pay as much as it would cost them to make? Or maybe they think the demand just isn’t there?

[Anonymous No.10414136]

>>10414131
Personally I don’t think they’ll do a print LP, if they do it won’t be as detailed as the ones in the past. Looking at their recent lucky packs they’re more focused on solids. That’s just me guessing though, the only ones that know are AP.

[Anonymous No.10414143]

>>10413186
Ugh when will AP release hurricane proof raincoats baka

[Anonymous No.10414160]

>>10414143
Why the fuck would you go out in lolita during a hurricane

[Anonymous No.10414165]

>>10414160
issa joke

[Anonymous No.10414253]

>>10414131
2019 was a nadir for AP. The 2020 releases seemed to have turned it around somewhat and it seems like quality has gotten a little better on their fabrics and prints and there’s more fan service in their releases. Hopefully that will carry through to lucky pack season

[Anonymous No.10414267]

The Aatp drawing contest winners are out, this time 2 pairs of foreigners won in the coord contest, a Russian and Finnish and a pair of Chinese people, but a Japanese girl won the illustration contest. There are plenty of foreigners in the runners up, so if you're a gull who entered, check if you were mentioned.
There's no mention of there being another contest, so I doubt they're going to host more, if you were unsuccessful this time

https://harajuku-pop.com/10508

[Anonymous No.10414276]

>>10412904
I had no idea Elton John was into lolita

[Anonymous No.10414396]

I miss MC melody doll

[Anonymous No.10414397]

>>10414131

The lucky packs have been kinda shrinking for a very long time now, actually. When I got into the fashion I was hyping myself up to get one with a petticoat in it (like tea time a la carte, so... 2009-ish? Maybe?) but AP never put out another LP with a petticoat in it again.

I'm kind of hoping last year's LP didn't sell that well so AP will go back to making printed LPs, but it's really hard to say. To begin with, the girls with larger wardrobes often get the bigger LPs for the cut of the jsk, but dislike the blouse or the bag that comes with it (it's often visibly smaller, cheaper, rougher than their regular releases. Well, it's a lucky pack so it's expected) -- in which case AP might see it as pointless to scrape so hard to make a bigger LP set when it eats into both their margins and the goodwill of their frequent buyers (who will likely have better stuff to wear with their special sets anyway).

[Anonymous No.10414401]

>>10414397
I miss blind LPs. I heard the Japan stores still do them in-store, but even with a shopping service it’s not really doable, considering if this is true it’s not even announced online.

[Anonymous No.10414404]

>>10414397
I can see that. Must of the lolitas in my comm that aren’t just transient itas have been in the fashion for years and probably wouldn’t want the extras. I’m one of the few newer serious lolitas (that sounds weird when I put it that way but do you know what I mean?) so I’d love a jacket or a purse but they wouldn’t. But dang, most of them didn’t even come with socks the last two years.

[Anonymous No.10414405]

>>10414401
Baby does blind lucky packs. I ordered one from the Osaka store through a SS last year

[Anonymous No.10414406]

>>10414267
I was going through it on Weibo and found this girl doing........black face. What do seagulls think about this?

[Anonymous No.10414407]

>>10414406
this isn't what blackface is, go back to tumblr and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10414408]

>>10414405
Sorry, I didn’t specify, I meant AP. I love Baby but AP blind lucky packs were my favorite

[Anonymous No.10414410]

>>10414408
the last AP blind LP i got had those ugly toy drops accessories in it.

[Anonymous No.10414412]

>>10414404

You'd be able to pick up better quality stuff secondhand (from closet child or wunderwelt, if you don't trust the individual sellers on lacemarket). Some years the quality is really obvious between the set and the regular releases.

I feel you on the legwear though, I miss that the most as I really like matching sets (even most of my regular AP releases I try to buy the matching headwear and legwear at minimum). I kind of get that some sets probably work better with generic lace tights (I think the crosses print they did one year looked better styled a bit less matchy-matchy). But I still really miss having the same colour socks for the sweet printed stuff, which is like 80% of AP anyhow.

[Anonymous No.10414423]

>>10414412
I definitely do shop second hand and most of my wardrobe is secondhand brand, I just really like the idea of a cardigan or a jacket or purse that matches the colors really well at a good price. I guess I just don’t have such a large wardrobe that some no-frills extras wouldn’t be useful. Plus I just think it would be really fun and exciting to get a big set of stuff new because I usually do buy used and new would be a treat

[Anonymous No.10414435]

>>10414407
I dont know what that image is about, but it kinda looks like blackface to me

[Anonymous No.10414436]

>>10414412
i miss when AP made a lot more sets with a similar theme. like in 2010 era how you could wear wonder cookie socks with assorted cookie since the motifs and print were the same. it made it less cookie cutter.

[Anonymous No.10414437]

>>10414435
Darkening your skin doesn't automatically have anything to do with black people...

[Anonymous No.10414438]

>>10414435
It is. Idk what anon is on. It's unlikely China gives a shit, though.

[Anonymous No.10414439]

>>10414437
nayrt and not even an SJW but what other possible reason could she have had for darkening her skin in the context of this photo?

[Anonymous No.10414440]

>>10414439
SEAsians probably. Be reasonable.

[Anonymous No.10414441]

>>10414439

Where is the photo?

[Anonymous No.10414442]

>>10414440
>SEAsians probably
Is this a thing? Chinese lolitas blacking up to look like SEA? Genuine question.

[Anonymous No.10414443]

>>10414441
Check the archived version of this thread

[Anonymous No.10414445]

>>10414437
dude, she has made herself look black.
whatever the context and if people in her country care its a least weird and nonsensical.

[Anonymous No.10414447]

>>10414437
it is not just darkening or like a tan

[Anonymous No.10414449]

>>10414442
Yeah? East Asians constantly shit on SE Asians about their dark skin. I've seen them shown as dark and tribal looking with spears and stuff in cartoons. Especially in China a lot of SEA countries are treated like Native Americans.

[Anonymous No.10414450]

Actually, looking back at the photo (I'm not the OP but I figure I might as well post it again so we all know what we're talking about), I think it might actually be an Utena-inspired thing? The roses in the background are from Utena.

[Anonymous No.10414451]

>>10414447
you're missing the convo. it's likely the girl is making fun of southeast asians and not africans. some countries have different dark minorities.

[Anonymous No.10414454]

>>10414449
I mean I know about that, I just was curious to see if there were examples of Chinese lolitas riffing on the theme in their coords because I haven't heard of it and it sounds funny

[Anonymous No.10414455]

>>10414454
I can look for some. My bad though I thought you were being obtuse or something on purpose like other anons ITT. All Chinese lolita salt that was posted to that one thread talks about itas being dark though so I know it's out there.

[Anonymous No.10414458]

>>10414455
Oh cool, thank you! Sorry for the misunderstanding, I totally get why you thought that. I just like hearing about the various silly aspects of the Chinese lolita community, it's a nice change considering how monotonous the western community has gotten.

[Anonymous No.10414464]

>>10414458
Don't worry. After all everywhere is America and if you're being racist it's obviously towards black people. Unless you're Chinese, then it's just probably an Utena cosplay. Chinese lolita comm is pretty whack so I understand the interest.

[Anonymous No.10414484]

>>10414440
So... brown people? You're just being pedantic at this point. It's still disrespectful no matter what the intent was.

[Anonymous No.10414486]

>>10414484
not pedantic, gwailou.

[Anonymous No.10414552]

This evaluates to ~$250 per bag.
There were at least three different people who commented on this listing within 20 minutes.

I feel like I have vastly underestimated the worth of my wardrobe.

[Anonymous No.10414557]

>>10414552
I regret for not getting myself a pony bag when they were like 95-120 bucks per piece. Although they weren't matching my wardrobe accurately, so

[Anonymous No.10414564]

>>10414450
That’s hilarious especially after reading the interview with Midori and that Chinese model about how Chinese models do their own styling and makeup.

[Anonymous No.10414567]

>>10414557
I was the one who posted in the Buy/Sell/Trade thread about having 5 pony bags. I remember buying the first one for ~$60. The most recent one I got was ~$160.

I wish AP would rerelease some of these stuffed bags. I've seen the Dreamy Lyrical Bunny bag go for $400 and it's not even that old. The most expensive stuffed bag I bought was the 2010 ice-cream Lyrical bunny bag for $300. I'm not sure it was really worth it because it's not as cute as the more modern styles.

I'm still surprised so many people were willing to drop $1k on only 4 bags though. Has OTT Sweet really reached a breaking point like this?

[Anonymous No.10414571]

>>10414567
I think OTT sweet is making a major comeback in Chinese and Japanese comms. If you check xianyu there are tons of wtb posts for older AP dresses and bags. There are a few mercari resellers snapping pieces up too.

[Anonymous No.10414574]

>>10414567
>Dreamy Lyrical Bunny bag go for $400
Da fuk! Was that some specific color? I remember these being in stock like for ages. You could get one from the site completely stress free

[Anonymous No.10414580]

>>10414571
I've always been pretty aggressive buying OTT Sweet pieces and I'm just eating the cost right now, for fear that we'll see prices continue to skyrocket? I'm not sure what the "ceiling" is for prices anymore.

>>10414574
It was the pink one and someone on mercari/fril jp actually bought it. Sometimes I even see ones without the sleep mask getting sold for above retail price and I don't understand. It caught my eye because I bought one from someone for $150 in January. Apparently I got a steal. I love that bag though.

[Anonymous No.10414604]

I know there were a few other anons following tracking updates --

I finally got my EMS package from Japan! It was shipped 4/13 and it got delivered today (West Coast, USA). I narrowly avoided customs. It was marked exactly 80,000 yen. It had my Milky Planet OP and Vanilla Chan JSK. I'm so happy.

DREAMS COME TRUE.

I wish everyone else's packages safe arrival!

[Anonymous No.10414634]

>>10414557
Same. At least I owe one.

[Anonymous No.10414640]

>>10412555
>>10412556
When will this be up on the US site? Have they just completely shut down for everything?

[Anonymous No.10414641]

>>10414267
I could already guess who won the prince & princess theme before clicking on the link. It's well-deserved, I wish this type of edit was more common for virtual twinning too.

[Anonymous No.10414642]

>>10412859
I prefer toned down, simple coords. The bitch is ita ASF. Even if you ignore her not styling her hair or makeup at all, she looked like shit.

[Anonymous No.10414648]

>>10413450
Didn't say it wasn't cute, just that the bunny ears don't really correspond with anything about the style or print off the dress. I wouldn't really associate what looks like a normal sailor op with bunnies.

[Anonymous No.10414657]

>>10413710
OP is basically doing a humblebrag about spending unemployment money to build a wardrobe despite living with mum and dad. Pretty cringey to me too but I remember being young and stupid with my money so I can’t judge lol

[Anonymous No.10414681]

>>10414657
>>10413486
>which pays me more than I would have normally made at my job
I'm one of those people who literally only gets paid about $100 more a week than the $600/week that the USA federal government is giving people who are unemployed. Tack on the regular unemployment people are getting and I get paid less, even though I have a full time office job.

I'm not angry people are getting money - I'm angry that I'm giving away 40+ hours/week of my life while it's hard to even go to the grocery store/doctor/regular life things and I'm getting paid less. It feels like I'm just an idiot giving my life away. As much as I hate Trump, I'm happy he's not going to extend the employment benefit after the end of July. I need incentives to keep my job, not incentives to quit.

[Anonymous No.10414687]

>>10414681
Agreed. I’m already on a slippery slope with my mental health at work, and adding financial stress just made things worse. When COVID hit our city, my boss laid off 2/3 of the staff and whoever stayed on got a 20% pay cut in exchange for working 6 days a week to cover the loss of bodies. Each of us who stayed on were asked if we wanted to take the layoff or not based off what looked more financially appealing. I was tempted but I’m glad I stayed on because my boss is refusing to hire anyone back because they “walked out on the business.”


To keep this OT, I wonder if an AP MTO won’t be a thing for a while?

[Anonymous No.10414697]

>>10414687
My situation is slightly different, but I probably would have voluntarily been laid off. My mental health is the worst it's been for a long time, and I feel so strained to take care of myself. I can barely focus on the work I'm supposed to do. The only silver lining is that I can put my current job down on my resume for more months and not look like as much of a "loser" whenever I job hunt again.

>I wonder if an AP MTO won’t be a thing for a while?
I'm just waiting to see when Toy Doll Box will be delivered. It's supposed to be July, but I could easily see that getting pushed out a few months sadly.

[Anonymous No.10414762]

>>10414697

I want people to get Toy Doll Box delivered so I can buy it secondhand (although it's cotton so most people who aren't scalpers will likely keep it unless they're those people who complain about cotton dresses taking up more space than poly) I was too poor when it came out because of an accident and an ER visit taking up all of my emergency and recreational funds.

[Anonymous No.10414771]

>>10414681
A friend who has been unemployed for a year is making 5x what I do and it's driving me nuts

They get to stay home and order expensive furniture and I get yelled at by old men all day

[Anonymous No.10414776]

>>10414697
Despite the kick in the pants pay cut and increased hours, the job is a gold mine for employee benefits when they’re fully functioning. In the end, I’m still glad I stayed on I guess. Just want to cry every couple of days lol.

I hope your package arrives soon anon! I really hope for a fun MTO with an older print. Wouldn’t that be the bees knees!

[Anonymous No.10414794]

>>10410983
I wish the brands were churning out more of these face masks instead of making limited quantities and releasing them in lotteries. We literally all need cute masks like this, surely they'd make a killing by just making more.

[Anonymous No.10414796]

Just got the email, won the lottery for an usakumya mask! I'm really shocked desu. I hope everyone that wanted one here got one!

[Anonymous No.10414798]

>>10414796
I would literally give an arm and a leg for one of these, fuck. Guess I'll have to wait on scalpers.

[Anonymous No.10414814]

>>10414796
I got one too for Kumakumya! I wasn't expecting to win.

[Anonymous No.10414819]

>>10414796

I got one of each from the Japan one (assuming it gets processed) but also won a lottery for a second kumakumya from the SF store. Will probably sell it if I get my ones from BTSSB Japan; I don't need two and I just got the kumakumya to go with my limited quantity of brown/chocolate prints.

[Anonymous No.10414837]

>>10414681
>>10414687
If they extended the unemployment benefit, then companies would have to pay more in order to get employees to come in to work. You can't open up with no employees. I don't see the problem.

[Anonymous No.10414843]

>>10414837

I think a bigger issue is that unemployment helps people limit leaving their homes and we can see spikes in cases in many states that are opening up. Where I live people think this shit is over and it kind of isn't.

Yes it is unfair that people made more than essential workers and get to use that to buy burando and acessories if they're financially stable enough but everyone being out working or doing recreational activities all so quickly will inevitably lead to more people falling ill and spreading the virus and keep countries from wanting to resume mail shipments to the US...so in the context of how it affects us gulls, getting rid of the incentive to stay home and reduce crowds, etc. could lead to problems.

[Anonymous No.10414848]

>>10414681
>>10414687
>>10414843
Yeah I don't see how wanting them to cut benefits will help you financially and mentally? Do you just want everyone else to suffer if you have to? Bitter as fuck. God forbid companies are forced to pay a living wage to get workers back.

[Anonymous No.10414850]

>>10414794
i really hate the artificial limits japanese brands put on everything which results in bloodbaths. why not do pre-orders instead?

[Anonymous No.10414853]

>>10414837
Honestly with the lack of revenue, I doubt anyone will get paid more. It would help if the government did another business loan should they decide to extend the additional $600 in unemployment. But I highly doubt that’ll happen.

[Anonymous No.10414856]

>>10414848
Yeah I’m >>10414687 and I can’t for the life of my understand where you got the idea that I want to cut funding unemployment? If anything me and >>10414681 ARE upset about not being paid a livable wage in comparison to what the government now considers livable based off what unemployment looks like.

[Anonymous No.10414865]

>>10414848

I don't want them to cut benefits. Not sure if I expressed myself poorly. I think long term it makes sense to extend them to keep people at home and reduce those getting sick to prevent another full stop of the economy and mail systems that is going to come up if things open too fast.

The unfairness or upset shouldn't be at the people recieving benefits. It should be at the government for not providing regular assistance this whole time and pushing reopening before the virus had even slowed down, at least in parts of the US.

If it ever gets as bad as NYC in any other major city we'll end up repeating the process all over again. There are even talks about financial tax credit incentives to increase and reward domestic travel.

My comment about limited international shipping was to keep things on topic and relevant to cgl, especially since so many posts are about people's mail questions and experiences lately.

[Anonymous No.10414923]

>>10414850
Bloodbaths make the brand more exclusive, hyped, & coveted. It also makes you less likely to use sound judgement in purchasing because you get caught up in the hype of seeing if you are able to get it, it works the same way on your brain as a slot machine or an auction. It’s a marketing ploy.
And the air of exclusivity making it seem more desirable is the same reason why Gucci would rather sell one $5000 sweater instead of ten $500 sweaters.

[Anonymous No.10414928]

>>10414923
but these small brands could make a fuckton more money without the bloodbaths. what you said only makes sense for big brands imo, which is basically just ap

[Anonymous No.10415092]

>>10412509
Was it just the men's shirts, arm covers and that awful choker? Or is there more that I'm missing?

[Anonymous No.10415103]

>>10415092
They're releasing a cross arch lace cutsew, a rose jacquard corset and a cross charm bracelet on Saturday.

[Anonymous No.10415105]

>>10415103
Ahh thanks, I'm dumb and was checking everything but their Instagram.

[Anonymous No.10415113]

>>10412509
I'm disappointed they haven't released any head wear. At least the stuff was decent, but oh well.

[Anonymous No.10415152]

>>10414923
Is that really the logic behind it? "Exclusive" my ass, their clothes are dirt cheap for a high end brand and incredibly easy to come by on secondhand sites. Even designer brands that cost 10x what AP costs aren't this ridiculous. It comes off as incredibly cheap (are they short on resources?) and juvenile (what percentage of busy adults are going to stalk a store's social media constantly to enter a lottery)?

I would throw hundreds at them for multiple masks but because they're dumb about opening up sales long-term, guess that's going to random secondhand sellers instead. Even my most expensive, thousand-dollar AP limited release dresses were never bought directly from them. It's like they actively don't want our money.

[Anonymous No.10415178]

>>10415152
AP is made in big industrial factories in China. Making something on the scale they usually do requires at least months of planning and back and forth, and everything has slowed down from covid. They’re probably making the masks domestically, which would require them to make them on such a small scale that makes sense to release them via lottery.

[Anonymous No.10415186]

>>10414819
Same. I figure hopefully I’ll get the one from SF for now and I’ll sell the extra kumakumya one when I get my japan order...whenever that happens anyways. I’m already waiting on 3 orders from the japan website allready what’s one more.

[Anonymous No.10415193]

>>10415152
>guess that's going to random secondhand sellers instead. Even my most expensive, thousand-dollar AP limited release dresses were never bought directly from them. It's like they actively don't want our money.
This is how I feel. I've barely ever been able to buy from AP directly. I think I've been successful about 3 times. Even items I got firsthand in recent releases were through a shopping service. You know there's a problem when an AP store exists in your own country, yet you still have to use an SS to buy from another country.

In general, I wish AP would focus less on having a release every 2 weeks and more on having quality releases/more production.Most big brands are at the point where they don't need the "hype" of products selling out in under 20 seconds. I think that frustrates people more than it helps the "exclusive" image. There's a point when that becomes alienating and discourages new customers. I would argue the fact that the products themselves are limited and not sold again after an initial release, is "exclusive" enough.

[Anonymous No.10415196]

>>10412509
Anyone else kinda disappointed in the selection? Like, nothing was bad, but nothing felt like it needed to be done either. It felt like a pointless use of the cross arch lace imo, even if I did really like the corset. I kinda wish the corset was more of a corset belt, especially after seeing the short jacquard corset in the quiz...
>>10415113
Maybe it's being saved for a future release? There was clearly a new bow in the promo pics for the blouse, unless it was just an old bow with the new basic plain cross charms attached to it. It's kinda sad to see the cross arch lace being used for stuff that no one asked for, even if that stuff is pretty nice.

I vaguely remember from the tea party that she mentioned the people responsible for planning/designing releases were stubborn with putting out headwear, and were more concerned about the wants of Japanese lolitas (long cuts, shorter arm length on blouses), which the latter is obviously reasonable. If any gulls that were at the teaparty and had that discussion brought up in their slot can vouch for that, it'd be appreciated, I don't have the best memory. But I was 99.9% certain she mentioned that a new cross arch headbow was a thing because she pointed out the one in the cross arch blouse pic (at the tea party).

[Anonymous No.10415199]

>>10415178
This. Remember how Misty Sky MTO arrival was scheduled for nearly year since reservation. I bet they would do faster if they had more of a production facility ink. Plus bigger release might not get sold completely. Sweetie Violet was pretty popular yet they had to sell the leftovers.

[Anonymous No.10415215]

>>10415193
>think that frustrates people more than it helps the "exclusive" image. There's a point when that becomes alienating and discourages new customers.
Not even just new. I use to be the biggest AP slut in my comm 10 years ago but it’s gotten to the point where I just buy from other brands now because I’d rather not get my hopes up and fail when there are plenty other brands I can actually buy from. At least even with Btssb and their limited stock, I still am able to buy what I want through lottery 90% of the time.

[Anonymous No.10415251]

>>10415196
The corset reminds me of the abitellege ones and at least these have boning throughout. Looks like good quality from what you can see.

[Anonymous No.10415311]

Even on the last mask restock on BABY Japan the Usakumya masks took a while to sell out and the next day the Kumakumya ones were still in stock.

And BABY does their lotteries on specific things to help maintain quality; it takes time to make really good quality Kumya bags.

The only leg up on BABY AP ever had was their 2010 sweet prints being less subdued and more pastel and over the top in a specific way, plus quality at times with more lining in some dresses and inbuilt pettis, and AP decided to throw that away with numerous shit poly releases, tea length dresses, trying to revive 2010 sweet but making the worse ice cream print between them and BABY because they chose shitty color combos, removing inbuilt poof and not clothing related but they just neglect their USA store a ton. Old AP was great and used to be my favorite but now it's just not worth buying from firsthand for what you get in stress compared to the actual product, unless it's a cotton MTO rerelease, which there was only one as far as I remember recently.

[Anonymous No.10415313]

>>10415215
>>10415311

Woops forgot to quote

[Anonymous No.10415329]

>>10415196
Extremely disappointed by the lack of headdress. I've been hoping for something like >>10413048
for so long now.

[Anonymous No.10415453]

>>10415178
This would make sense if it wasn't something they routinely did even before covid.

[Anonymous No.10415458]

>>10415311
It's hilarious that you think masks being available for only 1 day after restock means that they were unwanted.

[Anonymous No.10415518]

>>10415458

I never said they were unwanted? I was just commenting on how even very desirable things from BABY are less stressful to obtain than AP where every item from wristcuffs to tiny hair clips are a bloodbath, on top of AP declining in quality and design choices that I and a lot of others previously liked them for, which is why I prefer BABY now.

[Anonymous No.10415586]

>>10414604
That's wonderful news, anon! Congrats on bringing your dream dresses home! My package that shipped 4/7 has been stuck in ISC Chicago for about a week, now. Delivery will be soon, I hope

[Anonymous No.10415664]

Next thread >>10415663

[Anonymous No.10415967]

>>10414450
The hair colors are also spot on. So it's cosplay then?

[Anonymous No.10416015]

>>10415196
I was disappointed they used the ugly lace all over the cutsew. I wished it would've been some other, soft fabric. And I was most excited about the corset but I wanted a overbust since no brand seems to be doing bustiers anymore...