Unpopular Lolita Opinions

[Anonymous No.10370884]

Vol. 2

[Anonymous No.10370920]

Lolita videos from Deer Stalkers sucked after Milky Fawn dropped off the face of the planet.

[Anonymous No.10370928]

>>10370920
I want a new Milkyfawn. Where are the genuinely interesting efamous lolitas who we actually get to see into some of their lives? Where’s the gossip? The drama? Online comm is dead these days

[Anonymous No.10370929]

>>10370928
It’s dead because they all get shit on 4chan and the farm

[Anonymous No.10370930]

>>10370929
this. cgl bullies any efamous lolitas off the internet and then cries when they leave.

[Anonymous No.10370933]

>>10370930
what if i told you that the people hungering for efame whores and the people who dislike them aren't the same

[Anonymous No.10370934]

I know some normie fashions are supposed to be dressier than others, but to me it all feels equally as slob-ish as sweatpants. I generally won't do makeup, hair or anything of that nature when I have to wear normie clothes since it's not going to look good to me anyways.

[Anonymous No.10370939]

>>10370934
You probably just have shit taste In normie clothes lmao

[Anonymous No.10370940]

>>10370934
Dude, it doesn’t have to be this black and white!!! I’m nowhere near this all-or-nothing about Lolita, like damn, just wear cute clothes on the days you don’t wear Lolita, it’s not like the world is saying you can ONLY wear exclusively 300€ dresses OR jeans and a T-shirt....! If you like cuteness, try checking out himekaji or larme or something and incorporating that into your wardrobe, or if you’re into more gothic Lolita etc., go have a browse through killstar or disturbia or something...! I’ve never understood people who only dress in a way that makes them happy like 10 times a year... like, just ? Be cute? Find a style you like? Learn to dress well!

[Anonymous No.10370942]

>>10370934
A Yank wrote this

[Anonymous No.10370945]

>>10370934
>t. fag who probably just wears jeans and anime tees

[Anonymous No.10370947]

>>10370933
People hunger to dislike efame whores too.

[Anonymous No.10370948]

>>10370940
>>10370940
Ok conlita, I wear my lolita clothing daily, so no I don't wear something cute "10 times a year," but there are still a many occasions where any lifestyler has to dress regularly, that includes not dressing in any other alt-fashion. Any person would have to wear certain things to a serious job interview, wedding, etc. For all intents and purposes I look just fine in regular clothes without the bells and whistles so as long as I'm clean, and that's all that matters to me.

[Anonymous No.10370949]

>>10370940
don't point that trash to himekaji.

[Anonymous No.10370950]

>>10370948
nyart but this is one hell of a big aggressive backtrack lmao

“conlita” sounds like you’re projecting ngl

[Anonymous No.10370951]

>>10370933
What do people actually like about efamous Lolitas like what is the appeal? Is it just the opportunity to fishbowl someone else’s life?

[Anonymous No.10370952]

>>10370948
>Any person would have to wear certain things to a serious job interview, wedding, etc
do you really deem those things as slobbish though and not do your hair/makeup for those events? lmao.

[Anonymous No.10370959]

>>10370952
Nayrt but the way you’re supposed to dress for those events is pretty damn boring

[Anonymous No.10370961]

>>10370934
Also I think people are being way too harsh to this anon? Like, I kind of agree with them. Normie clothes are fucking boring.

[Anonymous No.10370966]

>>10370961
“the only clothes I know how to wear are either basic bitch jeans or huge poofy skirts from Japan that costs a month’s rent there is no inbetween”

[Anonymous No.10370968]

>>10370966
She didn’t say that though? She said she knows there are different kinds of normie fashions and that all of them are equally unappealing to her.

[Anonymous No.10370970]

The classism in this hobby is really gross. Even the SJW types on FB participate in it.

[Anonymous No.10370977]

>>10370970
Sorry that not everyone is a fresh out of college commie

[Anonymous No.10370982]

>>10370934
I kind of agree desu. I find most normie clothes are in three categories. Slutty and impractical, boring or matronly/business wear. I hate it. When I shop for normie clothes I often feel like I just have to settle or else i will just leave with nothing. When I wasn't wearing lolita I literally only really owned pyjamas because I just hate normie clothes that much.

[Anonymous No.10370983]

>>10370970
Find a cheaper hobby.

[Anonymous No.10370986]

>>10370983
This can easily be a cheap hobby, despite classist claims otherwise.

[Anonymous No.10370987]

>>10370961
i agree with her to a point; there's no version of normie formalwear that gets anywhere close to being as appealing to me as my poofy skirts. i wear very little/no makeup and don't style my hair beyond my usual routine for 99% of the things i do in life, including work and weddings. i don't consider the events themselves slobbish, but normie formalwear doesn't really feel good to dress up and i don't consider how much makeup i put on with my outfit to be an indicator of how much respect i have for the people in the room. the urge to make my look into a cohesive Thing only exists within lolita for me.

[Anonymous No.10370988]

>>10370970
if you buy cheap trash, you'll look like cheap trash. this is far from the only hobby where this concept exists.

and in the world of fashion as a hobby, lolita really isn't that expensive. walk into any normie designer store and you'll easily find things more than double the price of AP.

[Anonymous No.10370989]

>>10370986
not true at all. if you're a handmade lolita who makes your clothes well, people will practically lick your boots.

[Anonymous No.10370992]

>>10370989
("not true" referring to the fact that people are classist towards people who can cheaply create nice coords)

[Anonymous No.10370993]

>>10370989
If you wear Bodyline or Taobao, you'll be ostracized and automatically considered "not a real lolita" by a lot of people. Just because it's cheap.

[Anonymous No.10370994]

>>10370988
It's the only hobby I've seen where you have to buy from specific brands only or you're not considered a real part of the hobby. It would be like purse collectors saying you're only a real collector if you buy Gucci, not cheaper ones like Betsey Johnson. It's a dumb concept.

[Anonymous No.10370996]

>>10370970
There's countless posts/comments by poor lolitas about how they still manage to build a wardrobe on a small budget, shut up and learn how to find bargains. No1curr that you're poor, especially on here.
T. former poorfag who still managed to kickstart a wardrobe way before becoming financially more stable

[Anonymous No.10370998]

>>10370993
I have never met any lolita who truly thinks of other lolitas being lesser because they wear bodyline or taobao. Most people have wardrobes containing a combination of brand and offbrand anyway. As long as you show up to a meet and don't look embarrassing, nobody cares if you're wearing bodyline. There are plenty of taobao coords that have won coord contests and get tons of internet points.

[Anonymous No.10371008]

>>10370993
>just because it's cheap
you mean because it looks like shit. i've seen good taobao coords before, but i've seen far more ugly ones. you can spend very little and still not LOOK cheap. i think a big part of it comes down to the prints- this pumpkin cat dress just doesn't successfully read as a quality lolita dress. the print lacks detail and has something very round/kid's cartoon about it. i'm not phrasing this well, maybe someone else can chime in, but some of their equally cheap solids can look really nice when coorded well.

[Anonymous No.10371009]

>>10370970
>>10370986
do you have an example of the classism that bothers you? i'm not saying it isn't there, but you're probably being dismissed because a lot of times you'll see CLASSIST used by itas to defend combining their shitty blouse from Kohl's with a bodyline skirt.

[Anonymous No.10371017]

>>10370970
Please elaborate on the classism so I can actually (you)

[Anonymous No.10371019]

>>10371008
also tacking on to this, nearly every lolita i know owns at least some offbrand for things like shoes, bloomers, pettis, and legwear. brandwhores definitely do exist, but for most the issue genuinely is that offbrand main pieces often don't look good.

[Anonymous No.10371020]

>>10370951
desu I just miss the funny deerstalkers content, I would love if there were more lolita skits

[Anonymous No.10371021]

>>10370993
>you'll be ostracized and automatically considered "not a real lolita" by a lot of people
This is complete bullshit, I've posted coords on CoF wearing 50% bodyline, put that in the caption and gotten not one negative comment. I will say that there are a lot of bodyline pieces out there that are absolute garbage. People will call you out for wearing cheap costume quality dresses.

[Anonymous No.10371025]

>>10370961
This. For the longest time I've been wearing a combination of black turtlenecks and 3/4 skirts as my go to "normal" clothes, and normies comment on how "elegant" and "professional" I look, no matter how little effort I put in my appearance. I don't wear make-up at all and I make some sort of braided bun that takes 5 minutes and it is more than enough. Especially girls my age are shocked and ask me how I can wear skirts and tights every day, which for me is miles more comfortable than skinny jeans that everyone wears.

[Anonymous No.10371031]

Bodyline is fast fashion.

[Anonymous No.10371033]

>>10371031
agreed

[Anonymous No.10371038]

>>10371009
>>10371017
Terms like "taobao chan" and "poorfag." Insisting that this is an "expensive hobby" when it doesn't have be. Insisting indie brands are bad and not real lolita.

>>10370996
Bodyline and Taobao ARE lolita bargains. A lolita shouldn't have to wear $150 secondhand dresses to be considered "real"

>>10371021
I should have specified "on cgl." Not FB where everything is accepted including sissies.

[Anonymous No.10371046]

>>10371038
You can easily find secondhand dresses for under $150... I've bought secondhand for as low as $40.

>I should have specified "on cgl."
True, but if you take everything everyone says seriously then that's your own fault. Even lolitas come here to shitpost.

[Anonymous No.10371051]

>>10371038
quality, generally, costs money. it's not a 1:1 ratio but if you're cheap with your money then your clothing will look cheap. lots of cheaper brands have cheap looking clothing both in design and quality

[Anonymous No.10371054]

>>10370929
>>10370930
I wish crybabies like you would have stayed in your spaces. Thanks for absolutely shitting up /cgl/ just like everything else you touch.

[Anonymous No.10371059]

>>10370920
My unpopular opinion is that I don't get the hype for MF. She was cute and not completely unlikable but so are a lot of lolitas, and even a few that still upload videos sometime. I understand liking her while she still wore Lolita but I don't get how people thought she was so great that they're still missing her now, years later.

[Anonymous No.10371060]

>>10371038
Sounds like you have no eye for fashion, detail, or quality. Cheap lolita coords can easily be obtained if you have a good eye to Separate the wheat from the chaff. The problem mostly lies when girls who don’t really have an eye for this fashion yet or for clothes quality in general try to buy it cheaply and buy the wrong stuff. phrases like “taobao chan” refer to people who buy the worst, ugliest Taobao stuff and sit here and insist that it’s same quality as brand

[Anonymous No.10371061]

>>10371031
What's the qualifier here? Synthetic fabrics? Third world sweatshops? Because if so, AP is fast fashion too.

[Anonymous No.10371070]

>>10371054
Ur welcome luv xxxxx

[Anonymous No.10371071]

>>10370930

Other than MF, I haven't really had a lolita I like just huff and leave.

On the other hand, I haven't had an efamous lolita I hated huff and leave. Mostly, they huff, leave, then come back for the efame again.

Anyways MF had a really crazy stalker, it wasn't necessarily cgl that pushed her off lolita.

[Anonymous No.10371074]

>>10371054
They were just stating the facts though. Imagine getting this mad because you don't have a random girl on the Internet you can hate on anymore.

[Anonymous No.10371077]

>>10371071
That is another point - efame lolitas attract creeps because of the fashion they wear, “Lolita” being already a stigma.

[Anonymous No.10371081]

>>10371077

You should probably look up what happened because being 'creepy' wasn't really the issue. The stalker was another lolita and it was more a case of really awkward coattail riding gone too far than anything.

[Anonymous No.10371106]

>>10371081
>more a case of really awkward coattail riding gone too far than anything.
how so? being a stalker and "awkward coattail riding" are two extremely different things in my book

[Anonymous No.10371107]

>>10371038
idk man, i'll call people poorfags on 4chan but it's not an insult. the fag suffix isn't really denigrating, and if lolita/loli didn't have another meaning we'd probably self refer as lolifags. i have a really hard time caring about whether or not communities consider what i do or don't do "real" and i think it's odd to insist that the idea of communities having standards is classism, when in fact you can acquire both brand and quality offbrand for cheap that no one would bat an eyelash at. it's generally the poor aesthetic of a lot of taobao that people object to. i haven't personally seen anyone who dismisses offbrand 100% and thinks people have to wear exclusively brand, or believes that no taobao brands make good pieces. it might be more fair to view fashion ITSELF as fundamentally classist (in that society ends up dividing across financial/educational lines into subsets of ornamentation and their expectations for what makes good ornamentation and then dehumanize each other over their perception of taste) than lolitas as classist individuals. and really, considering what most of the earth considers poor, fashion as a hobby is needless, expensive consumerism by default.

>>10371054
pointing out how making cringe culture a publicly accessible thing visible to normies reduces the amount of milkable lolcows isn't being a crybaby

[Anonymous No.10371119]

>>10371106

Look it up yourself. It's not that hard.

[Anonymous No.10371124]

>>10371119
I found screenshots of MF saying she was getting constant messages and death threats. That doesn't sound like "awkward coattail riding".

[Anonymous No.10371129]

>>10371107
People express issues with the fag suffix and autism thrown around every now and then. It's not really for you to decide nobody feels offended by it.

[Anonymous No.10371132]

>>10371129
If you're going to argue that "/cgl/ hates poor people because they say 'poorfag'" then you're just fundamentally misunderstanding how the word is used. People on here even call themselves poorfags when talking about expenses. The use of the word is not proof of classism.

The argument is not about being offended. It's about the intention behind saying the word, which isn't necessarily to offend.

[Anonymous No.10371138]

Lolita isn't worth getting into anymore. There are way more budget friendly Fashions that capture a similar aura.

[Anonymous No.10371139]

>>10371138
For example?

[Anonymous No.10371141]

>>10371129
I get it, this is the only board you browse. However slight it is, /cgl/ still retains some manner of 4chan culture so you can deal with it or go somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.10371144]

>>10371038
I have bought brand skirts for as cheap as 30€ you dumb cunt. And as others have said, most lolitas have a mixed closet.

[Anonymous No.10371145]

>>10371054
Kek die mad

[Anonymous No.10371148]

Lace market isn’t worth checking.

[Anonymous No.10371149]

>>10370930
Like who for example?

[Anonymous No.10371151]

I wish lolita never left the oldschool gothic street fashion thing it had going on in 1990s - 2000s.

I feel like changing to what is is now all cutesy and bright is what has brought all these "handmade lolita", thrift store find, ageplayers and old men into the fashion. Where as previously it never appealed to them.

Don't get me wrong, I own prints and stuff other than oldschool and I still love lolita, but it's just not what it was even just 10 years ago..

[Anonymous No.10371155]

>>10371038
Okay, but how is it not classism to demand that people in third world countries should work for slave wages just so you can have your cheap, non-essential frilly dresses?
>AP also makes their dresses in third world countries
Okay, but you already said lolitas who wear and promote brand are classist. Let’s accept that as fact. How are you any better?

[Anonymous No.10371162]

Pretty popular opinion, but I love shoes like this with lolita

[Anonymous No.10371163]

>>10371148
Agree

[Anonymous No.10371168]

>>10371151
(ignore the meme text on pic related) you really think ageplayers wouldn't be drawn to this? it's always looked like children's clothing to normies and fetishists.

[Anonymous No.10371172]

>>10370970
Taobao exists. Bodyline exists. You don't have to wear exclusively Angelic Pretty.

I have a ton of Baby and AP and my absolute favourite dress is an older Bodyline OP that I got for $40 (my friend never wore it because it was too big for her in the bust).

If you can't look good in Bodyline or Taobao, you're an ita. Plain and simple.

[Anonymous No.10371174]

The elf-like cutesy overexposed look that taobao stores push should not be accepted as lolita.

[Anonymous No.10371176]

>>10370993
>>10370994
People with a low budget are being redirected to offbrand alternatives all the time so I really don't know where you're getting this idea from. Sure, it'll often look bad compared to brand and some people will comment on it but I've yet to see anyone saying someone isn't a lolita due to the fact that they don't wear clothes from specific brands. This really only happens when people try to shoehorn non lolita brands like H&M or Forever 21 into the fashion.

>>10371129
This has been part of 4chan culture for as long as I can remember. Why don't you go somewhere else instead of expecting everyone to change their ways to accommodate you ? Honestly I don't even understand what you're doing here if you really feel offended by this kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.10371177]

>>10370970
mid-tier normie fashion lines by designers that are meant to be more accessible, still feature $800 shoes and jackets and $200 t-shirts.

fashion is expensive.. but when people commit to an aesthetic and build an image for themselves, they wear their jacket/shoes all the time and layer pieces into a cohesive wardrobe of quality goods that will last a decade+

the problem with lolita is how it's like subscribing to some episodic shit show where people buy and sell everything they own like a revolving door so they can have a new coord for the next meet and not re-wear a dress on CoF ever.. and with the shite quality and frequent changing of hands the dresses fall apart or become outdated by the constant releases

[Anonymous No.10371184]

>>10371151
Agreed
>>10371168
This is pretty new as far as oldschool goes, pastels and prints weren't very common until kawaii culture took over and eventually made OTT sweet the big thing, which imo is tragic. the popularity it gained from kawaii culture put it on the radar of all the ageplayers/sissies etc. and pushed it far enough into costume territory that we're in quarantine with the cosplayers on this board.

[Anonymous No.10371192]

>>10371174
agreeee

>>10371162
huh?

[Anonymous No.10371193]

>>10371184
Even if the dresses were solids, they’d still attract fetishists in this day and age because they look like children’s clothes. I don’t attribute the increase in fetishists to changes in the fashion itself. Rather, I think it’s due to the rise in popularity of DDLG on Tumblr, and these creeps being able to google “Lolita clothing“ and find us.

So it’s not because of a change in clothing, but a change in culture. “Kink shaming“ didn’t exist back then because people weren’t allowed to openly be creepy fucks. But now it’s perfectly fine for any old sissy to throw on a satin piece of garbage, call himself a tranny, and everyone has to Accept him with open arms.

[Anonymous No.10371196]

>>10371155
This. Bet OP is from some white cracker country who only learned the word "classism" in liberal friend groups or something the like, without even taking the time of the day to think *why* cheap shit is priced that way. The entitlement is so annoying.

>>10371193
I for one am an open and proud kinkshamer, fuck those degenerates

[Anonymous No.10371197]

>>10371074
>>10371107
I'm not mad about that, I'm mad about them destroying any sense of community and fun we once had with their blatant newfagging and endless crying about cgl, while posting on cgl.

[Anonymous No.10371203]

>>10371151
>"handmade lolita"
You do realize that a significant number of lolitas in the 1990’s and early 2000’s, including the founders of today’s brands, were making and modifying their own clothes, right? I agree that a lot of handmade lolita misses the mark but handmade is still the foundation of this fashion.

[Anonymous No.10371227]

>>10371059
I honestly think the only reason she got as popular as she did is because she's the best looking girl to make so many high production videos.

[Anonymous No.10371229]

>>10371106
MF said that there was one fan in particular who found out where she lived and sent her obsessive letters.

[Anonymous No.10371245]

>>10371129
>it's not really for you to decide nobody feels offended by it
maybe if i were fucking shouting POORFAGS from the rooftops in public, but this is 4chan. i don't think it reads as hating poor people to most of us here, and i think it's pretty relevant to consider that being a insulting prick is the baseline and most of us are pretty comfortable with it. this isn't reality impacting shit like cheese pizza posting- being a cunt is simply tradition, so feel free to throw me a culturally relativistic bone. the whole reason i still lurk this cursed taiwanese basket weaving forum is because i've been here so long that i'd rather be called out for being a stupid fuck over minor nitpicks than asspatted. you can crawl into a hugbox virtually anywhere else.

>>10371193
literally this, you can see people defending being a sissy as though being a sissy is a human righ

>>10371197
looking at where this thread has gone i'm inclined to agree

[Anonymous No.10371247]

>>10371245
*right

[Anonymous No.10371256]

>>10371148
Eh you can find decent stuff sometimes I got some Victorian maiden for like 100 there once.
Has it’s issues for sure. No real consistency on pricing, people who just throw their shit into every category, people who are like “pay 200 for this damaged dress”.

[Anonymous No.10371262]

>>10371184
2005 was 15 years ago, that's old anon

[Anonymous No.10371268]

>>10371245
Who is defending sissys? I haven’t really seen this on like rufflechat or anything. Most people seem to dislike them to put it mildly

[Anonymous No.10371276]

>>10371268
not transphobic but there are a lot of men in this fashion and other jfashions that hid behind the trans label to get a foot in the door, they usually get kicked out but people defend them when they are really just sissies. i've known many trans lolitas in my time and it's super easy to tell the difference between them and the sissies. young girls and super sjw types tend to defend them though out of fear of being a bigot.

[Anonymous No.10371277]

>>10371268
sorry, i was unclear- not specifically within lolita, just overall. cof/rufflechat don't like sissies for obvious reasons (tho i have seen pro-sissy comments deleted on cof lol), but in more liberal circles the idea of kink is being framed as an important part of your identity and that it's good to highlight it. this emboldens the sissies and other kinkfags to insist on joining groups they're unwelcome in and feel righteous about publicly shoehorning their fetishes. then people like >>10371246 make excuses for them because they don't think it's fair to judge a person based on their actions, but on what a person states and purports to believe about themselves.

[Anonymous No.10371296]

>>10371148
It can be, you can find good deals but you have to check like... Obsessively.

The good AND well priced items get snapped up within like, a minute or less, not kidding. The stuff you see floating on the site for months are from known scalpers, stuff no one wants, overpriced, or some combination of those things.

[Anonymous No.10371299]

>>10371296
the deals are always better on Japanese secondhand sites

[Anonymous No.10371307]

>>10371268
There is a small but very annoying contingent of SJWs in my comm who think that sissy is a transphobic slur, and that self-identified sissies are just transwomen who aren’t fully out yet and are using kink to safely explore their gender. I know that they’ve argued this on RC at least once before.

[Anonymous No.10371310]

>>10371144
You know very well that no one gives a shit about skirts. There's always one anon who feels the need to bring up how cheap skirts are. That's because no one fucking wants them.

[Anonymous No.10371312]

>>10371310
nayrt but skirts are amazing, I've never paid attention to them because of their reputation but I recently bought a few and they have totally changed my life. they so versatile and you can do so much more with them than with a jsk and especially an op.

I feel like the only reason people don't like skirts is because they're usually too big to fit into them.

[Anonymous No.10371313]

>>10371307
seen this too. it's easy to dismiss them because they're so fucking dumb, but that logic can really prey on people's sense of goodwill and desire to be nice in the worst ways. uncritical people will believe them before the person who says that makes no sense.

>>10371310
i love skirts and everyone's bad taste serves me well until brands stop fucking selling them cuz no one else will buy them

[Anonymous No.10371314]

>>10371307
Ah I see. Performative woke people are the worst. It’s not like they are even doing trans people any favors I doubt most approve of sissys

[Anonymous No.10371316]

>>10371307
as a mod, I would kick the immediately if they were in my comm.

[Anonymous No.10371319]

>>10371312
And they're brand fatty-chan friendly ( as long as your blouse is decent)

BTSSB makes the best fat friendly skirts if you like ugly prints or Kumya

[Anonymous No.10371320]

>>10371310
Guess you’re in the right thread, your opinion is unpopular.
I like skirts as well. I have more JSKs, but certain skirts are my most frequently worn pieces.

[Anonymous No.10371323]

I don't understand people that think lolita is some special category of clothing that doesn't need to be weather appropriate. So many summer meets I've been to where someone was wearing thick full coverage tights... yet they 'match' your dress, but you look ridiculous with 30 C outside. By the same token so many people I know have no outerwear that's remotely lolita appropriate. If you're wearing a full coord I'm sure you can afford a decent jacket/coat that will complement your outfit, don't just throw on a ratty old jumper over your AP.

[Anonymous No.10371324]

>>10371139
Not them, but a lot of vintage fashions are popular now, and other jfashion brands have sales/deals more often. There are plenty of brands higher quality than lolita brands but same or lower price range

[Anonymous No.10371333]

>>10371323
This!!! Saw this girl with an ugly normie down jacket from a meet this winter, the worst part is it was so long it completely destroyed her silhouette, it was hard to watch

[Anonymous No.10371334]

>>10371314
i'd bet money that the majority of trans women don't want anything to do with sissy stereotypes, but i do think the superlib pro-kink squad has a trans contingent

>>10371323
i wear black full coverage tights even if it's hot, but i admittedly grew up in florida and mostly wear gothic in and out of lolita. 100% agree on the outwear thing though. i think sweaters can make a cute casual coord, but it has to be on theme. they work a lot better with simpler cuts.

>>10371324
what kind of vintage fashion do you think looks similar to lolita? i really don't like most vintage, particularly silhouette-wise, and don't like most attempts at integrating it with lolita. i've know some lolitas who enjoy 50's dress cuts, but i'd hardly say they have a similar aura.

[Anonymous No.10371335]

>>10370934
You don't know how to dress yourself.
That, or you're American.

[Anonymous No.10371337]

>>10370959
boring doesn't mean it looks anywhere close to leggings and a sweatshirt.

[Anonymous No.10371339]

>>10371174
i absolutely agree. i hate the weird BJD look Chinese girls like. it's eveeeerywhere too, not just in lolita.

[Anonymous No.10371342]

>>10371310
I’m struggling to find skirts right now, I just got my hands on a bunch of cutsews but I have only 3 skirts, and the only skirts for sale are in awful condition or in color ways nobody wants.

[Anonymous No.10371343]

>>10371319
I’ve never felt like skirts were fattychan friendly. I’m not even really plus sized by lolita standards but a lot of skirts are uncomfortable on me so I always wear them with shape wear underneath. Dreaming Macaron is particularly tight, which is weird because I see girls much bigger than I am wear it all the time.

[Anonymous No.10371344]

>>10371335
What’s being American have to do with it? Is that a reference to our shit tier normy clothes? Man I was in japan for a few weeks and most of the normy stores I went in there had at least some clothes I liked. Can’t say the same for where I live.

[Anonymous No.10371354]

>>10371174
Do you mean the photos are overexposed or their shoulders are exposed? I think I get what you’re saying but I need pics for reference.

[Anonymous No.10371361]

>>10371354
>Do you mean the photos are overexposed or their shoulders are exposed?
The former, but the latter irks me too, just to a lesser degree

[Anonymous No.10371365]

>>10371344
Yanks are Americacentric all over the Internet and have absolutely no fashion sense, literally everybody outside your obese gun-crazy capitalist hellscape of a country likes you. Any European or Asian I’ve ever known will automatically assume the worst upon meeting you, even if you eventually turn out to be a great person. Sorry it’s just the truth lol

[Anonymous No.10371368]

>>10371361
If you can possibly see their armpits or thighs it's way too slutty.

[Anonymous No.10371369]

>>10371365
*nobody

[Anonymous No.10371374]

>>10371365
Seems a bit extreme but ok

[Anonymous No.10371375]

>>10371365
I'm going to go out on a limb and say an American wrote this. Only virtue signaling American SJWs write this kind of thing.

Also, no other country cares about us that much.

[Anonymous No.10371376]

>>10371343
Maybe your fat is just placed differently? Im more bottom/arm heavy so skirts fit a lot better than OPs.

JSKs are still better, but My go-to are skirts nows

[Anonymous No.10371379]

>>10371375
>Also, no other country cares about us that much
t. literally never has been in /int/

[Anonymous No.10371389]

>>10371375
“Americans are Americacentric”

An American, literally within a few minutes: “this must have been written by a fellow American!!!!!”

Oh my god you guys just CANNOT get over yourselves! Shut the FUCK up!!

[Anonymous No.10371390]

>>10371334
I'm partial to Victorian, if you search "Bernadette Banner" on youtube she's one of the craftsmen I appreciate a lot for her research and work. I also really enjoy the resurgence of han-style clothing in China, they're beautiful to me and really capture the whimsical fairy side of lolita I enjoy: an everyday wonder feeling.

[Anonymous No.10371398]

>>10371389

Do you ever feel depressed living in our shadow?

[Anonymous No.10371400]

>>10371398
oh, cringe

[Anonymous No.10371432]

British lolitas are all ugly terfs

[Anonymous No.10371436]

>>10371432
Would rather have terfs than sjw sissy/tranny/drag/kinkster loving handmaidens.

[Anonymous No.10371441]

>>10371436
NAYRT but same.

[Anonymous No.10371442]

>>10371436
Same

[Anonymous No.10371446]

>>10371432
most of them are sjw tranny dick suckers, not terfs, but go off.

[Anonymous No.10371447]

>>10371323
Aesthetically I agree, but practically I'd rather someone wear a coat in the cold. I don't really care that much what others look like.

[Anonymous No.10371450]

>>10371436
same...

[Anonymous No.10371464]

>>10371436
Same. Fakebois can GTFO too.

[Anonymous No.10371466]

>>10371464
Point proved lol... you all sound like middle aged mumsnet users yikes

[Anonymous No.10371471]

>>10371398
The shadow of a nation which has no public basic healthare and is going to die bc of corona? No
Plus weapons, obesity is common, clown president, etc

[Anonymous No.10371472]

How pretty/skinny a girl is makes a huge difference as to whether people like her coordinate or not. I see ugly girls post great coordinates pretty often and they always get low to medium amounts of positive response

[Anonymous No.10371473]

>>10371436
i'd much prefer terfs (people who don't believe in trans identity?) or regular old normies to these insufferable people. if anything the people who spend all their time defending them are just as annoying or worse than they are.

>>10371466
>hehe YIKES MIDDLE AGED!!!
dunno what in the fuck mumsnet is, but i'd be very interested to hear what makes pandering to sissies and dudes who fetishize lolita desirable to you

[Anonymous No.10371475]

>>10371466
Ok coomer

[Anonymous No.10371476]

>>10371473
I’d rather be around cute smart girls in their twenties than bitter old hags like you

[Anonymous No.10371478]

>>10371472
i dunno if i'd consider this an unpopular opinion so much as known fact. positive responses esp on instagram are less about coording ability and more about the overall look of the photo, and your physical appearance definitely plays into that. i do think that sometimes plain or fat girls get posted in the ita thread unfairly, but a lot of times people point it out.

[Anonymous No.10371479]

>>10371476
go ahead and convince yourself i'm just a bitter old hag if it helps you sleep at night. you've said literally nothing of substance and are likely just stupid.

[Anonymous No.10371480]

>>10371432
>>10371446
this is amazing

[Anonymous No.10371481]

>>10371479
i go to an ivy league but go off public school peasant lol

[Anonymous No.10371483]

>>10371476
>describing me
ok bud.

[Anonymous No.10371484]

>>10371476
Implying that any female would want to hang out with such an ugly tranny dick sucker like you. Scrote.

[Anonymous No.10371485]

>>10371481
nayrt you just posted cringe bro

[Anonymous No.10371488]

>>10371479
It's funny how this idiot tries to cope with us not agreeing with them. Everyone that doesn't agree is "an old hag", great use of logic! They can die mad about it kek.

[Anonymous No.10371490]

>>10371484
i'm literally a model, a 99th percentile specimen in looks. you will never have me.

[Anonymous No.10371492]

>>10371484
t. late 20s boomer with wrinkles

[Anonymous No.10371493]

>>10371324
What other fashion is similar to sweet ott?

[Anonymous No.10371494]

>>10371480
i’ll get the popcorn

[Anonymous No.10371496]

>>10370884
I strongly dislike Asian women.

[Anonymous No.10371497]

>>10371481
What the fuck did you just fucking type about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at MIT, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids with Anonymous, and I have over 300 confirmed DDoSes. I am trained in online trolling and I’m the top hacker in the entire world. You are nothing to me but just another virus host. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on the Internet, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with typing that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we chat over IRC I am tracing your IP with my damn bare hands so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your computer. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can hack into your files in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in hacking, but I have access to the entire arsenal of every piece of malware ever created and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the world wide web, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking fingers. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit code all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.10371507]

>>10371496
Why? That's how I feel about white girls honestly lol.

[Anonymous No.10371511]

>>10371497

[Anonymous No.10371514]

>>10371507
Why? That's how I feel about egirls lol.

[Anonymous No.10371525]

>>10371376
I have a short wide torso, so that is probably why. I miss having a <26" waist, skirts were easier to wear when I was younger.

[Anonymous No.10371538]

>>10371514
Why? That's how I feel about normie girls honestly lol.

[Anonymous No.10371539]

>>10371538
Why? That's how I feel about lolita girls honestly lol.

[Anonymous No.10371610]

>>10371496
You sound like a gross white bitch who’s just jealous that Asians actually look good, unlike white people who are all fucking ugly

[Anonymous No.10371617]

>>10371507
>>10371610
Nayrt but why do we assume >>10371496 is white? Also, yikes at all of you...

[Anonymous No.10371620]

>>10371610

[Anonymous No.10371669]

>>10371617
Probably because according to the board census, over 90% of this board is white

[Anonymous No.10371816]

>>10371299
nayrt I find that after shipping and customs Japanese sites are more expensive for me

>>10371365
As a european ill have to agree most people have a very bad image of you as a whole. Obviously there are some good eggs in your mist but your bad eggs are so bad and loud. . .

[Anonymous No.10371824]

>>10371816
You’re a retard if you’re not working your way around custom fees

[Anonymous No.10371829]

>>10371432
I may be a terf, but at least I'm gorgeous. This sounds like a tranny who's been kicked out of a british comm recently.

[Anonymous No.10371967]

>>10371476
>I'd rather be around cute smart girls in their twenties
troon confirmed

you ain't slick half-chromie

[Anonymous No.10372011]

>>10371829
Show me proof. Otherwise you’re just a lying, ugly, dipshit terf

[Anonymous No.10372031]

>>10372011
Jesus, why even bother coming to 4chan if your going to be this sensitive. You defend trannies like they do anything for you or for society as a whole that's worthwhile. Relax.

[Anonymous No.10372040]

>>10371967
What are any of these words

[Anonymous No.10372042]

>>10372040
you're just making yourself look retarded by admitting that

[Anonymous No.10372043]

>>10372040
take a wild guess anon

[Anonymous No.10372048]

>>10371197
What people like you seem to miss is that some of us AREN'T newfags.
I've been posting on 4chan since like 2008 and cgl since 2015.
A lot of people seem to forget that there was a lot of innocent humor on this site. Everyone just remembers all the stupid horrible shit like goat.xe instead. So everyone just expects everyone here to be a total shithead bully and then gets mad when they're called for bullying.

And yes, it's definitely bullying. If you did this shit to someone irl, people would fucking hate you and you'd get your ass kicked.

[Anonymous No.10372049]

>>10372011
Why do you think anyone in their right mind would doxx themselves on 4chan just because you told them to? Though then again, there are people who have taken personal pictures for anons just to prove some abysmal point, so maybe you'll get lucky if the other anon is as stupid as you are.

[Anonymous No.10372050]

>>10371368
ah, this never gets old

[Anonymous No.10372051]

>>10372049
This was a long time ago, but some dumb bitch posted a small photo of just her eyes to prove that she wasn't ugly. Her eyes were fucking COATED in mascara too.
She was so fucking mad it was hilarious. I wish I had saved her stupid photo.

[Anonymous No.10372061]

>>10371361
is she kneeling down or are her legs shopped out?

[Anonymous No.10372063]

>>10371139
Late. But in general Japanese fashion. Liz Lisa isnt bad but I don't personally like it. I've found many casual dresses that have a sweet prints or cute bows for under 30$ either second hand/brand new on some sites like YA!

[Anonymous No.10372066]

>>10372061
she's kneeling down under a hoop skirt, you can clearly see the floor under her skirt.

[Anonymous No.10372068]

>>10372063
how is that similar to lolita style though?

[Anonymous No.10372145]

>>10371436
Same for the love of God

[Anonymous No.10372146]

>>10371473
The evil "terfs" are mainly people who object to low effort pre surgery MEN invading women's spaces and claiming they have periods and that lesbians should have sex with them.

[Anonymous No.10372160]

Using a jsk as a sundress can be fun when going casual.

[Anonymous No.10372161]

>>10372146
the thing that's really blowing my mind is how vitriolic that anon was and totally unwilling to engage in explaining what they thought. terf just seems to mean anyone who doesn't buy into a strange set of rules about identity- no one in their right mind is going to accept as fact that transwomen have periods; that isn't tantamount to shattering their souls apart or seeing them as subhuman. i honestly doubt the anon is even trans, just weirdly virtue signalling being really mad about anything they conclude isn't explicitly prioritizing trans-ness on a korean balloon animals forum.

>>10372048
idk, it has always been sort of board dependent imo. a lot of the innocent humor was still interspersed with insults or spamposting jar guy or what have you. there was infighting about it even then. moralfagging from anonymity is a waste of time either way, but i still think massive circlejerks like the farm are just pathetic. i don't spend time there, but i thought lolcow milkers discouraged harassing their content producers for this very reason. the cwcki definitely took a strong stance on it.

[Anonymous No.10372181]

>>10372048
>and cgl since 2015
which makes you a newfag who joined when your kind already shat up the board

[Anonymous No.10372183]

>>10372160
Completely agree.

On a similar note, I think sandals can work for a summer look if they're balanced nicely.

[Anonymous No.10372185]

>>10371008
It looks like Microsoft Word clip art

[Anonymous No.10372194]

There needs to be a log or active archive of accounts that interact sexually with people who wear lolita so we can all harass them and block them until they fuck off

[Anonymous No.10372201]

>>10371310
Speak for yourself, skirts are comfy and very versatile. Well done posting this itt though, now that I look at the replies.

[Anonymous No.10372205]

>>10371323
I went to an ice skating meetup and I was the only one with a lolita coat and multiple layers (otks over tights and a nice lolita coat and scarf)
I asked the other girls if they would like my scarf since they were shivering. One told me "no, it would ruin my outfit, just like your outfit is ruined by you wearing otks over tights"

[Anonymous No.10372208]

>>10372205
wtf? they didn't deserve your kindness in the first place, anon

[Anonymous No.10372214]

>>10371824
my country has a supper low limit, under 20 euros, for all items that come from other continents.
A lot of Japanese sites and ss will blacklist you if you ask for them to mark down the price.
if they offer it (a lot do) i of course do it.
But the option isn't always there.
if there is an other way pleassse someone share

[Anonymous No.10372215]

>>10372205

[Anonymous No.10372216]

>>10372214
use dejapan. they always mark down my price.

[Anonymous No.10372218]

I have a confession to make,
I wear lolita in parties, bars & clubs
I smoke drink alcohol etc in lolita.
I understand that I am putting my dresses in danger but I kinda don't care.
I bought them to wear them and enjoy them.
Am I a bad lolita?

[Anonymous No.10372221]

>>10372218

....It's not even an issue, anon. You paid for the dress, you wreck it, your loss.

Real issue is make sure you mark all damages honestly when you sell them. If it's snagged or pilled, say so. If it comes from a smoking household, disclose it because people have allergies and you could send someone to the hospital sending them your unwashed smoke fumes in a box. On that note, learn to clean your dresses properly and don't send them out with wine stains or whatever.

>tfw already do that and dresses are still fine.
They don't break that easy, especially if it's burando and not fragile chiffon.

[Anonymous No.10372222]

>>10372218

No, not a bad lolita at all. Wearing the clothes SHOULD be fun and enjoyable.

Just be honest about the condition of your items, should you ever sell them. Smoke smell rarely leaves clothes and other things (smokers will try to say they've gotten it out but I can assure you it's there to people with more sensitive noses who aren't blinde to the scent)

[Anonymous No.10372226]

>>10372216
What is their "transaction fee" exactly?
They state that apart from domestic shipping + international shipping there is also a transaction fee. Is this like PayPal fees, a % of the total, or something else?

[Anonymous No.10372229]

Well any fashion is usually about rich people showing off how much money they can throw down the toilet.

[Anonymous No.10372233]

>>10372229

I mean I would say fashion and style on a personal level is about self expression.

Some stuff is ridiculously expensive and that's fine if people want to buy it, so long as they actually like it and aren't using to fulfill some sort of desire for status.

I have a friend into normie designer (got into it cause of kpop) and she if very frugal and responsible but just really likes the few items she does buy that are designer and understands how I feel about lolita. We both like fashion in general and each other's styles even though we would never wear them ourselves.

[Anonymous No.10372247]

>>10371824
>implying it's not luck based
Some packages slip through customs, some don't, even when it's from the exact same shopping service for example. I still know my ways on how to minimize the fees at least, for example it's very helpful when SS offer you to fill the value forms out yourself. Screenshots of that have saved my ass before. I hope this will help >>10372214 cause my country has a low limit too. Make sure the package box is not super heavy or big so it'll be believable.

>>10372194
There's a fb group dedicated to something like that, it's basically lolitas posting screenshots and names of sissies who interacted with them so the community can block those.

>>10372229
Not necessarily true, but I do agree to a certain extent because I'm pretty sure people like that do exist in every community. I just don't agree with the generalization because each person has different motivations.

[Anonymous No.10372257]

>>10371148
what sites do you check for second-hand brand? Wunderwelt is usually on the expensive side, too.

[Anonymous No.10372261]

>>10372257
ask this in the stupid questions thread

[Anonymous No.10372281]

>>10372229
Says the onlooker

[Anonymous No.10372286]

>>10372160
100% agree

[Anonymous No.10372288]

>>10372257
Wish or Mylolitadress

[Anonymous No.10372293]

Instagram is garbage

[Anonymous No.10372301]

There is such thing as too much poof. Tired of people praising overstuffed dresses.

[Anonymous No.10372311]

>>10371296
This. I went through a phase where I was on LM constantly and got cheap usakumya bags (less than $50), sought after prints, well-priced old school dresses, awesome jewelry bundles, etc. I bought them all within minutes of them being posted. Whenever I’ve sold items on there all the good stuff got taken within an hour or two. Things either sell immediately or they sit around for like a month or more. If you just check it every now and then all you’re seeing is the leftovers no one wants. That’s why the scalpers keep relisting their items, they know that most people don’t go past the newest couple hundred items because most of the time the other 4000 listings aren’t worth your time to go through.

[Anonymous No.10372313]

>>10371312
As someone with big tits it’s not that I’m too big to fit the skirt, it’s that I can’t find a blouse that doesn’t gap between the chest buttons. I’d be willing to bet a lot of western women have that problem. Even when a blouse is cut technically big enough to fit my measurements, the seaming and the shape are too shallow in the bust. Then even if it’s big enough in the bust, the waist area floats away from my body in a really unflattering way. I have yet to find any sort of lolita top besides maybe some old Putumayo cutsews that don’t look like garbage on me. Hence I never wear the 10 skirts I have in my closet

[Anonymous No.10372319]

>>10372313
>the waist area floats away from my body in a really unflattering way
thats why you tuck it in

[Anonymous No.10372324]

>>10371525
Ugh I have problem. Wide ribs and my ribs are only two inches above my hip bones. So jealous of girls fatter than me fitting into small-waisted skirts and dresses just because they are short or have a longer torso. My waist will never be 26” it’s not physically possible unless maybe I was skeletal and on death’s door. But oh well, I’ll just alter

[Anonymous No.10372331]

>>10372319
Then it’s all bunched up and gathered and that’s not a good look either. Besides, some skirts don’t have nice waistbands and are meant to have the blouse over it

[Anonymous No.10372333]

>>10372229
I will admit a lot of lolitas are hoarders/only wear it to meets and cons. That being said, lolita isn't really that expensive compared to high fashion. I think if someone was really aiming to do that, they'd get into another subculture with more expensive pieces. I'm very proud of my rarer/nicer pieces, but I think most of us buy rare pieces out of genuine love rather than just to flex. There are exceptions, but even reaching the barest level of being a lolita isn't highly expensive, especially if you are good at finding bargains on the second hand market.

[Anonymous No.10372338]

>>10372313
almost all commercial patterns, (and by extension we can assume commercially made clothes) vary by your chest measurement in terms of size but only take into account a B cup. So someone with a 34B chest and another person with a 34D chest can have the same size shirt fit them in most areas but there with be a big difference in the bust.
I have to alter almost all of my tops.

[Anonymous No.10372343]

>>10372331
I have the same problem and my solution is that I own a decent few corsets or thick belts like attached... but I wear mostly gothic so I can see how this might not be a viable option for sweet, for example

[Anonymous No.10372396]

>>10370928
People keep bullying/ scaring anyone who could be the next Milky Fawn.

We don't deserve a new Milky Fawn.

[Anonymous No.10372397]

>>10372324
>tfw 26" waist but have manly ribcage that makes it impossible to fit into specific cuts
why god

[Anonymous No.10372402]

>>10372397
Same, my waist is 27" and my bust is 34" but thanks to my large ribcage I'm unable to fit into unshirred OPs. I likely won't ever be able to shave that extra inch off my bust and waist and that pisses me off greatly.

[Anonymous No.10372408]

>>10372402
rip for me
>broad swimmer shoulders

[Anonymous No.10372412]

>>10372402
So does your ribcage just kind of stick out?

[Anonymous No.10372415]

>>10372412
Yeah, it's pretty gross. I'm really pudgy (146 lbs at 5'6") yet you can see every rib without me sucking in my stomach. I'm gonna look like a skelly-chan once I reach my goal even though it's a healthy weight for my height. Fuck my mestizo genes.

[Anonymous No.10372419]

>>10372415
lmao fuck off is that pudgy, I’m like 150 at 5’7” and sure I have tits and an ass but I look hot and this is a healthy weight lol, you sound ana-chan

[Anonymous No.10372422]

>>10372419
ntayrt, but i'm just 2lbs lighter and pretty pudgy myself.

[Anonymous No.10372424]

>>10372419
That's slightly pudgy unless you have 15 lbs of muscle.

[Anonymous No.10372426]

>>10372419
weight/height stats are fucking useless for determining whether a person within a healthy weight range actually looks pudgy, muscle tone and genes play a pretty large role here.

[Anonymous No.10372428]

>>10372419
I'm 5'7" and I was pudgy as shit when I was 150, you're clearly delusional. I could barely fit into any brand at that size. You're only 10 pounds away from being overweight. You need to be at or below 125 to look good at 5'7".

[Anonymous No.10372429]

>>10372324
I am short, I just also have a short mutant torso. I'm 90% leg.
My waist is anywhere from 27"-30" depending on my bloat but I have no issue fitting into skirts with shapewear or a waist trainer. Those are just such a hassle and I want to be able to wear the fashion effortlessly, without the need for shapewear.

>>10372402
That's weird, I have similar measurements and have no problem fitting into my unshirred OPs. Sometimes the shirred OPs and JSKs give me more trouble.

>>10372415
Anon regardless of your weight, if you can see your ribs you probably aren't pudgy. Good luck reaching your goals but don't be too hard on yourself or unhealthy about it.

[Anonymous No.10372430]

>>10372419
I get that you're an Amerifat and being surrounded by small planets has skewed what you think is healthy/normal but 150 lbs at 5'7" is bordering on overweight

>but I look hot
(x) doubt

[Anonymous No.10372431]

>>10372428
> You need to be at or below 125 to look good at 5'7".

Ahhh there is the ana-chan.

[Anonymous No.10372432]

>>10372430
>>10372428

Listen to >>10372426. Everyone has different proportions, fat distribution and muscle tone.

[Anonymous No.10372439]

>>10372431
>anyone who doesn't enjoy looking like a shapeless post-partum mom is ana
welcome to the fashion world, where aesthetics are important

[Anonymous No.10372441]

>>10372432
yeah but none of these look hot lmao. they definitely look "pudgy". >>10372428 is right.

[Anonymous No.10372442]

>>10372432
for real. weight as a number is not very useful for judging much beyond whether you're around a healthy range when it comes to your organs- the way you look takes a lot of other factors.

>>10372428
>>10372430
your anecdotes don't hold more water than anyone else's. maybe realize that no individual serves as a reasonable point of comparison for the rest of the earth.

[Anonymous No.10372450]

>>10372441
Those photos aren't meant to be hot. MyBodyGallery actively discourages posting posed photos at flattering angles. The point is theres a varied amount of sizes and body proportions even within a specific weight and height range.

[Anonymous No.10372451]

>>10372439
>welcome to the fashion world, where aesthetics are important

Lolita is not normal fashion, isn't the whole point that it goes against that we're told is normal and ideal in the mainstream fashion world?

[Anonymous No.10372454]

>>10372439
>anyone above 125lbs looks like a post-partum mom
you're delusional. aesthetics are important, but that's a pretty arbitrary cut-off point and even people who are a bit overweight are capable of looking nice and, dare i say it, hot.

>>10372451
idk, i don't really vibe with that approach to lolita- it's less about being subversive to fashion norms and more about being subversive to the male gaze. hyperfemininity that isn't trying to be sexual for men. that's why old school has so much frilly shit but is decidedly quite frumpy. i'm not sure how much water that idea holds in all forms of modern lolita though. it obviously doesn't with ero and the DDLG end of sweet.

[Anonymous No.10372456]

>>10372451
it's still about looking cute. looking like a middle aged mom isn't cute, sorry. maybe just to american whales but clearly not to the japanese who made the fashion

[Anonymous No.10372457]

>>10372454
kek you assumed anyone below 125 must be ana

[Anonymous No.10372460]

>>10372456
>it's less about being subversive to fashion norms and more about being subversive to the male gaze.

Most fashion is made with the male gaze. There's a reason most models are women, why they feature sexualized women in ads and female nudity. Even high fashion isn't exempt from this, gay men can still perpetuate the male gaze.

Either way, if lolita is about subverting the male gaze then looking appropriately skinny should be even less of a priority.

>>10372456
Lolita is a very modest fashion that doesn't show much skin or really even someones body shape. Nobody would know you have a "middle aged mom" body.

[Anonymous No.10372462]

>>10372456

125 lbs can be really thin if you're far above average height for a female. For reference I'm 5'1 and whenever I checked BMI and weight charts in the past it always told me healthy weights are between 110 lbs and 125 (overweight or close I think? Idk been a while since I looked). But I know my height is close to that of an average Japanese woman and I'm imagining someone the weight of one of them (95-120lbs max) at 5'7 and it seems really unhealthily skinny unless you are a really lanky modelesque proportioned person naturally.

If you're short then you could be chubby or look unflattering around 125 lbs but it is easy to weigh more and look good when you're taller.

[Anonymous No.10372463]

>>10372457
you assumed the same anon was talking to you when actually more than one person disagrees with you. i don't think being under 125 makes you an ana-chan, but it's equally retarded to say that being over 125 makes you a fatty-chan.

[Anonymous No.10372464]

>>10372463
no one said it made you clinically unhealthy or overweight. they said it makes you look dumpy and pudgy (it does)

[Anonymous No.10372466]

>>10372464
Whether or not it makes you look umpy depends on your fat distribution and body shape. for example, someone hourglass or pear can probably hold more weight than someone apple or triangle shaped.

>>10372462
There is just as much body variation for 5'7 at 125. It's hard to say based on just height and weight what looks best on each individual person.

[Anonymous No.10372467]

>>10372462
this just in, being on the thinner side of healthy looks more attractive to japanese people. in other news, water is wet.

[Anonymous No.10372468]

>>10372460
i think we agree overall; i don't believe that being extremely skinny is a requirement to wear lolita and i think heavier girls can look good in it if they otherwise know how to dress. i just still wouldn't say lolita subverts fashion in general since it still is fundamentally A Fashion, and despite its roots in subverting the male gaze, i don't think that its necessarily well connected to those roots at this point.

[Anonymous No.10372471]

to show how bodyshape effects size

top row: 5'2 120-130, rectangle shaped
bottom row: same, but hourglass

[Anonymous No.10372475]

>>10372466
all of the 155lb photos you showed look markedly more dumpier than these ones. with their faces covered, these ones look younger than the others (who i assumed were mostly middle aged women)

[Anonymous No.10372488]

>>10372475
Do you not know how middle aged women look or dress? >>10372450 of all the images here the only one who looks middle aged is bottom right

[Anonymous No.10372490]

>>10372432
>>10372450
>>10372466
>>10372471
Thanks for reminding me of the name of this site, I was looking for it a while back and couldn't remember it.

[Anonymous No.10372493]

>>10372415
I get this, at 5'9" and 150 I am still pudgy but my ribs stick out like mad. I have a big/wide ribcage and it sucks... especially if a jsk doesn't have adjustable straps and the waist of the garment sits on my rib cage... doesn't fit unless it has partial shirring... sad days

[Anonymous No.10372513]

>>10372488
their bodies all do, yes. and i've definitely seen late 30s/early 40s women dress that way when they try to cling to their youth. but we're talking about their bodies and they clearly look older than the 125 lb crowd.

[Anonymous No.10372530]

>>10372402
>>10372415
you'd be surprised - I believe you will lose that extra inch for sure, maybe even sooner than 130lb; and if you get some muscle then I'm 110% sure. Remember your back has a layer of fat on it too - you're focusing on the front because it's easier to see, but remember how everyone gets back rolls if they wear a too-tight bra? Don't get defeatist anon, that's fat logic talking.

>>10372419
>>10372428
these anons are both retarded

[Anonymous No.10372531]

>>10372530
Thanks for the encouragement anon, I really needed to hear that. I'm gonna definitely focus on more back exercises

[Anonymous No.10372537]

>>10372513
Their age range us literally listed in the screenshots. “25-34” is not middle aged lmao

[Anonymous No.10372546]

>>10372537
Do you understand what the phrase “looks like“ means? I don’t know why this is so hard for you to understand, but being paunchy makes you look old. You’re denying reality so hard that I have to assume you’re fat

[Anonymous No.10372548]

>>10372546
cgl thinks everyone is fat unless they’re ana, I don’t care about being cgl fat

[Anonymous No.10372552]

>>10372548
125 at 5 foot 7 isn’t Ana. It’s not even underweight. It’s like you hog bodies can’t comprehend that you can be both slim and healthy. Luckily, Japanese Lolitas – and Japanese people in general– can.

[Anonymous No.10372555]

>>10372552
I never said it was ana. Just that there is a range of weight that someone can be and still look good. This all came from anon here >>10372419 saying that she looks hot at 150, and anon here >>10372428 saying she doesn't. Different bodies look different! A common sense concept that cgl cannot comprehend because they'd rather fatwank for the millionth time.

[Anonymous No.10372557]

>>10372552
>implying japanese people care about health when it comes to being slim

Japanese diet advice is just "idk eat a lot of celery" and their exercise advice is "spin your arms in a circle a lot". They are thinner on average but that's more cultural than just them being a genuinely health conscious society. Their diet advice is stuck in the 60s.

[Anonymous No.10372561]

>>10372555
But all the women you posted that weigh 150 don’t look cute. They have the body types of middle-aged women. I’m sure there’s a lower weight that may be more of a gray area, but clearly this ain’t it.

[Anonymous No.10372562]

>>10372557
We’re not talking about health, we’re talking about aesthetics. No one cares about their diet advice, we care about looking good in Lolita

[Anonymous No.10372609]

>>10372561
you've never seen a middle aged woman's body if you think those girls look middle aged. only 1 of them does.

[Anonymous No.10372614]

All the cool kids brands ruined lolita. The only reason prints even exist is so brands could have more recognizable designs that are harder to replicate, prints are fucking ugly and look nothing like the dolls lolita was inspired by. Heels also need to gtfo. Lolita was only good when it was small and mostly handmade, fuck brands.
>but the handmade people made the brands!
And then they got popular and now they suck
Lolita sucks now, I prefer ita shit to brandwhore printfags

[Anonymous No.10372636]

>>10372460
Speaking as someone with a literal mom bod, lolita is so much more comfortable and flattering on me than normie clothes. Like you said there's no exposed skin and the flared skirts completely obscure my lower belly and hips. It took me over half a year to fit into my old jeans again but I could comfortably wear my lolita clothes as soon as a month post-partum. Shirred babydoll JSKs also make super comfy maternity wear.

[Anonymous No.10372671]

>>10372614
Lowkey agree with this, I still like prints but the lolita community has changed a lot from being an active community associated with VK and making things yourself, creating your own style within lolita, and now it's very cookie cutter because everyone is afraid to add colors not in the print. We get the benefit of a general standard of quality and brands churning out products faster than ever, but we also get a loss of general community creativity that started lolita in the first place

[Anonymous No.10372678]

>>10372614
this is larper shit if i ever saw it.

[Anonymous No.10372682]

>>10372671
I personally don't care if lolitas aren't into visual-kei, I never thought that should be a requirement to like or dress in the fashion. However, I do agree that the way many lolitas look down on handmade or creative coords is a very negative development. It makes me laugh how often you'll see lolitas slam on "normies" for being "basic"' yet when you compare them to the rest of the lolita community, they dress and think the same exact way as each other. There's nothing special about them at all, yet they use this fashion which they've never really expended any creative energy on (i.e. wearing only brand sets) as a way to feel superior over others.

[Anonymous No.10372694]

>>10370993
Not really. I wear ap and taobao yet I’ve never been posted in ita threads or been made fun of for my coords
You sound like a newfag and a poorfag. Stay out of the fashion and don’t cry gate keeping if you dont know shit

[Anonymous No.10372695]

>>10371038
Imagine thinking that $150 is expensive

[Anonymous No.10372696]

>>10371148
I haven’t been on lacemarket since soapbox was being sketchy and some other dipshit was spam posting 50 wigs. Not joking either because she posted 50 taobao wigs with markups

[Anonymous No.10372704]

>>10371464
They're honestly more annoying than the other kind to me. Literally all doing it for attention or because they think they'll be perfect bishonen at the end. Pfft.

[Anonymous No.10372708]

>>10371497

[Anonymous No.10372715]

>>10372419
You probably have more muscle than she does.

[Anonymous No.10372717]

>>10372441
The older woman with the tits looks great, and that's not the point of that site anyway.

[Anonymous No.10372719]

>>10372450
5'6", 124lb, and my body looks almost exactly like the woman in the orange bikini at the bottom. Legit did a double take when I saw that, damn.

[Anonymous No.10372724]

>>10372466
Wow, that's a pretty extreme aesthetic variation... Mostly all very young too, probably because older people tend to gain a bit of weight as their metabolisms slow. Interesting, thanks for posting.

[Anonymous No.10372726]

>>10372561
of the age tags that we can see, the lower weight ones are all except one <25, and of the higher weight ones all except one are >25. probably because people let themselves get fatter when they get older. so your observation that the fatter ones look older is kind of dumb - they ARE older.

[Anonymous No.10372727]

>>10372552
Hahaha wow, even corona can't beat the might of yellow fever

[Anonymous No.10372728]

>>10372636
Finally someone with actual experience. Thanks for sharing, for real.

[Anonymous No.10372729]

>>10372682
I've listened to visual kei since before I got into lolita and it honestly just annoys me to death to see lolitas I'm friends with act like they're super into it and going on about how much they love Malice Mizer for lolita cred when they know maybe one band beyond that. Just like what you like, girl.

[Anonymous No.10372749]

>>10372419
This is cowtits-anon, isn't it

[Anonymous No.10372750]

>>10372749

Nayrt, but there are multiple cowtits anons, aren't there?

I've talked about being busty before and had others who could relate as well.

Or is there someone specific on cgl who gets called that?

[Anonymous No.10372817]

Let's all go back to Tumblr

[Anonymous No.10372826]

>>10372817
most of us didn't go to tumblr in the first place.

[Anonymous No.10372871]

>>10372696
soapbox just got banned lmao

>>10372817
speak for yourself

[Anonymous No.10372897]

>>10372817
>j-fashion tumblr had its heyday in 2012-2014
>tfw most of cgl's current userbase didn't even wear lolita back then or even lurked here

[Anonymous No.10372910]

>>10372817
I never used tumblr for lolita content, I'm good. Plus it's worse there than facebook in terms of itas, degeneracy and snowflakes.

[Anonymous No.10372911]

>>10372910

Lolitas had a harder time avoiding DDLG/sissy scum on tumblr than on instagram and fb groups, even AFTER they banned porn, most likely because of how easily tumblr posts came up in Google image results. I never posted but frequently reblogged and favorited lolita and jfashion content and they honestly are the reason for the "DDLG people do not interact" type profile descriptions you used to see there on almost any original photos posted for anyone who wore anything pastel (and you now see them on instagram in descriptions or even story highlights)

[Anonymous No.10372919]

>>10372826
lies

[Anonymous No.10372926]

>>10372871
>soapbox just got banned lmao
what happened there?

[Anonymous No.10372935]

>>10372897
>tfw i've been on 4chan since 2007 so i know what you mean

[Anonymous No.10372976]

>>10372926
No clue, it’s probably between her and the mods, but it may have to do with all her mask gouging. She had a bunch of listings saying buy this shitty $10 blouse for $100 and I’ll include 10 masks in the package!

[Anonymous No.10372982]

>>10372976

Wow I didn't even see that but geez good riddance.

The mediocre looking etsy tier stuff from cancelled artist alley people combined with poorly made loliable masks and Soapbox plus the other scalpers was getting hard to look at.

[Anonymous No.10372988]

All gold shoes are tacky and ugly.

[Anonymous No.10372996]

>>10372988
Agreed and I would happily extend this to ALL metallic shoes unless maaaybe in goth

[Anonymous No.10373007]

>>10372988
Fite me. True, they’re used improperly as a versatile catch all when someone doesn’t have the shoe they out to use, but they to have their place, especially in royalty themed coords

[Anonymous No.10373019]

>>10372988
Agreed. They all look like cheap kids’ party shoes.

[Anonymous No.10373158]

>>10372988
Gold shoes would work if lolitas were willing to spend on good quality shoe golds that aren't overly shiny

[Anonymous No.10373180]

>>10372996
It looks bad in every fashion, even normie fashion.

[Anonymous No.10373201]

>>10373007
I fight, they just never look good.
Agreed with this Anon >>10373019


Though I'll concedee the gold 4 strap Jane Marple shoes are okay.
All the shiny ones look terrible and cheap.

[Anonymous No.10373235]

>>10372988
>>10372996

Holographic shoes though. No one thinks that's a good idea, right? At least gold and glitter shoes still have a chance but I've never seen holographic shoes on someone who isn't ita.

[Anonymous No.10374940]

Glitters on anything looks tacky.
I've never seen anything with glitters on it that wouldn't look better without them.
>buy gorgeous pair of AatP tights, secondhand site but nwt
>when they arrive the embroidery on it turns out to be glittery silver thread, doesn't show up in photos but absolutely blinding irl
I don't want to resell them because I do love them otherwise. They've been sitting in my closet because I cling to the hope of discovering a way to get rid of the silver thread and glitter.

[Anonymous No.10374989]

That weird lolita that was a little to the left of lolita was actually cute and fun. It's not as elegant or beautiful as the current standard of lolita, but i think it's more fun to wear and should be worn more often.

[Anonymous No.10374991]

>>10374989
can you post an example of what you're talking about?

[Anonymous No.10375004]

I feel like there's a large amount of nonwestern lolitas on this board, considering the amount of posts I've seen being completely unaware that the average western woman's, say, ribcage is bigger than 25 inches. On a skeletal level. Just a general unawareness that not everyone is a halfling with the mass of a middle schooler.

[Anonymous No.10375006]

>>10374989
i hope you don't mean the french chick

[Anonymous No.10375015]

>>10375004

Feeling the need to put down said people just reeks of self esteem issues, fyi.

[Anonymous No.10375019]

>>10375004
idk man those types of generalizations are just not useful for establishing where people live or where they're from. my entire family is ultrawhitey scot-irish descended southerners and my mom and sister are both 5 foot even halflings with extremely slight builds.

[Anonymous No.10375027]

>>10375004
It’s probably either just anachans or people unaware of their actual waist measurements if they think a 22” waist is somehow a normal achievable goal for a normal woman. Even thin women don’t have waists like that sometimes.

[Anonymous No.10375031]

>>10375027
I'm sick of this narrative that being slim is impossible. I'm neither particularly short nor Asian nor of particularly low BMI and my waist is 24 inches. Sure yeah, some people have a body type that means their waist won't be very small even when they have a low weight for their height, but for many people it is attainable, they just aren't working for it because they don't care about it that much.

[Anonymous No.10375032]

>>10375015
>put down
Sorry that I wasn't polite enough in my verbiage, ma'am. Next time I'll only use very precise language when expressing the view that too many people are completely unaware of the wide range of perfectly healthy body types possible.

[Anonymous No.10375055]

>>10375031
Yeah, unless a woman has a giant protruding ribcage and shit proportions due to their genetics it's definitely possible to achieve a small waist. And from what I see around me I don't see many people with huge ribcages, fatties just like making excuses.

[Anonymous No.10375081]

>>10375031
>>10375055
Honestly, of course anyone can be slim and achieve a waist that will fit into most lolita skirts.
But I still see a lot of anons basically obsessed with those measurements, and it feels like more than a few of them are either fudging it a bit or humblebragging. I have a body type that's by all means normal, no protruding ribcages or weird proportions at all. My waist is 27 inches now, at a bmi of 21, and it was 25.5 inches when I was at a bmi of 17.
I'm happy enough with 27 inches because it'll fit most lolita easily. I consider it a small enough waist and most (thin) girls around me have a similar measurement. So can you get it to be small enough for lolita, definitely. But is it achievable for most people to get to those 24 inches at a healthy weight? I don't think so.
And again, for some reason these arguments are always 32-inch waist chans and extremely thin people up against each other. And neither of those usually has a realistic idea of what a body looks or should look like.

[Anonymous No.10375087]

>>10375081
Most of those people with 24 and below inch waists are very short and/or have a small frame. I have a thin 5"9 friend and her waist is 28 inches despite having a 20 BMI and being fit.

[Anonymous No.10375108]

>>10375081
> 27 inches
Honestly, is that thin? I'm half Asian and I've always been told form my Asian side that I'd be fine if I was white, but not fine in Asia. It could be helpful if /cgl/ did a demographic poll including their height/weight/measurements and then their idealized height/weight/measurements

[Anonymous No.10375117]

>>10375032

You sound like you could use a good walk. Stay sane friend.

[Anonymous No.10375120]

>>10375108
There is a separate BMI calculator for Asians. They don't use the same formula as westerners.

[Anonymous No.10375121]

>>10375120

That's super old info. Everyone uses the same bmi calculator according to the who.

[Anonymous No.10375129]

>>10372475
>obvious weight lifter in bottom left corner
>looks worse than the skinny fats at 125
sorry about your poor eyesight. you should get that checked.

[Anonymous No.10375140]

>>10375087
yeah, i'm 5'3 but still have a broader build in general compared to my 5" sister. she easily has a 22" waist because her entire body is just minuscule. super narrow shoulders, super narrow hips, humorously small hands and feet, and tiny waist. i have a 26"ish waist when my BMI is roughly the same as hers. i don't think 22" would be possible for me without being underweight.

>>10375031
i don't think that's what people are saying though; i really don't think that a 22" waist is physically achievable at a healthy weight for plenty of women without waist training, and i certainly don't think a 22" waist is the baseline for being slim.

[Anonymous No.10375171]

>>10375140
There’s a special fitness account called @john_benton_model_fitness. he specializes in waist sliming routines. Very few of the results on his page did below 23”, and even then the visual difference isn’t always that extreme

[Anonymous No.10375174]

>>10375171
thanks to Instagram and photoshop we expect tiny waists to always have that snatched corset look when that’s not usually the case in real life

[Anonymous No.10375176]

>>10375171
this girl has a similar waist measurement but a different hip measurement so her proportions look completely different

[Anonymous No.10375241]

Synthetic tights covered in prints are hideous.
Polyester looks cheap and ill-fitting 99% of the time.
Most prints are ugly.
Brand fabric quality is no longer worth the price.
Hell, most clothes sold today aren't worth the price. It's difficult to find decent mid-priced normie clothes that aren't garbage quality anymore, especially shoes. I can't find decent shoes under $150 and even then the leather is still not what it used to be. Where the fuck did all the good leather go?

[Anonymous No.10375294]

>>10375241
i almost wonder if the problem of good leather was overproduction. to meet demands for leather, you create giant productions of leather cows. similar to anything else, the demand for more means the quality as a whole may not be where it once was. this is a total spitball theory and not intended to be taken as hard fact.

[Anonymous No.10375319]

>>10375241
The good leather is being used for higher quality leather goods. $150 is still pretty low for good shoes. There are many different grades of leather. Just think about the difference between $1/meter fabric and $100/meter fabric.

[Anonymous No.10375437]

>>10375108
The way 27 inches look on a person also depends hugely on the rest of their proportions. It'll look thinner combined with a larger hip measurement and less so when your hips are small. Height also makes a difference (I'm 5'5 for reference).
That being said, I wouldn't worry too much about it. I can't imagine 27 inches looking fat on anyone but a midget and while I don't want to make any assumptions, Asian families are notorious for subjecting their daughters to harsh and often unrealistic body standards.

[Anonymous No.10375588]

>>10375294
Isn't leather just a byproduct of the meat industry? Maybe the processing is cheaper and worse now, a lot of leather doesn't have the same smell anymore.
>>10375319
Years ago, I could get the same or higher quality as the $150 shoes for ~$75 accounting for inflation. I know that I'm not going to get truly high quality for that little, but it seems like the general quality of everything has dropped while the prices have raised or stayed the same. I even have some cheap H&M dress shirts from 2009 that have held up until now, but I went back in to replace them and the quality was far worse for the same price tier. I would think that with advances in production, decent quality stuff could be even cheaper, but it's not. It's even worse when you look at vintage stuff, if you feel mid priced shoes from fifty years ago, the leather is much better than that you can get now in a relative higher price tier, if that makes sense.
I'm learning to sew on my own because I'm so sick of it. I'd rather spend more on materials and get what I want than hunt around for the few decent pieces in garbage or whatever I can catch secondhand. I don't make enough to go full designer, only a few pieces here and there, but I can't justify paying for crap that pretends to be better than it is.

[Anonymous No.10375909]

>>10370884
Some solid Bodyline pieces are a hella lot better than printed, light, taobao shit.

[Anonymous No.10377613]

I hope to see Lolita brands who don't accommodate to different sizes crash and burn.

the only time I fit into brand was when I was a fucking skeleton (1 bmi), while taobao shops let me customize.
people who are taller, or have a bigger chest, ribcage, or shoulders shouldn't feel like shit in jfashion, these aren't things that can be helped.

[Anonymous No.10378609]

>>10377613
Agreed. Best we can do is support them
I mean ap has done well making larger sizes soooo

[Anonymous No.10378618]

>>10377613
Seeth harder fatty, even if they ever cater to hamplanets like you, you will always look like shit in it.

[Anonymous No.10379055]

I think rocking horse shoes look weird. I don’t like them.

[Anonymous No.10379214]

I like lolita on fattychans. The poofy skirt is a flattering silhouette for them and chubby faces are cute. As long as they don't stretch the dress it's usually good

[Anonymous No.10380055]

>>10377613
meant to write 15-16 bmi. once I hit 17.5 bmi I started to not fit the fashion. My doctors are thankful that I'm at a 19 bmi now.

>>10378618
I'm tall retard, not fat
>>10378609
yeah, when brands make larger sizes they always do well