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>> No.10259808

this was the dump you were so desperate to make?

>> No.10259836

>>10259808
Im not that anon lol

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How about a little exchange/discussion!
Share one of your old school dream items.
Waiting to get my hands on this beautiful OP

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>>10259879
Forever hoping to find Thumbelina...
I’m more interested in the beige version desu but I couldn’t find a nice stock photo.
Does anyone know how often this pops up for sale?

>> No.10259889

OK, perhaps not the most relevant post but the discussion about the 6 year old bag (wasn't part of the discussion fyi) and hoarding made me realize that maybe I should finally let go of a lot of pieces I own (not all but the majority of them are old school). Been holding off, making excuses like maybe I'll regret selling them or oh I'm too busy. Even had some prospective buyers when I asked for price checks, but never got around to selling the pieces and kinda fell bad about letting them down. Maybe if I get rid of the things I never wear anymore I'll be able to rekindle my love for lolita and perhaps invest in other pieces more of my liking, cause lately I only care for casual non-lolita clothes like F i.n.t. I want to thank you guys for helping me reach this decision and I'm really hoping some of my favorite (old school) lolita's end up buying those pieces cause I know they will do them justice.

TLDR; ya'll turned me into an ex-hoarder. Thank you.

>> No.10259890

>>10259889
as long as you feel good about it, this sounds wonderful anon
let us know when you start listing! I'l keep an eye on the BST thread

>> No.10259907

>>10259889
That's amazing to hear!

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>>10259879
gloomy bear x btssb apron and bonnet!

>> No.10259987

>>10259889
So proud of you!

>> No.10259996

>>10259787
Link the old thread newfag
>>10247839

>> No.10259999

>>10259889
Show us the goods mate

>> No.10260041

>>10259890
>>10259907
>>10259987
Thank you all, I feel really encouraged!

>>10259999
Sorry for tldr.
Doing a way bigger cull than I expected, some items I'm still not sure about and need to make the decision the coming week. If you don't mind, will update you all later on the full list (incl. non-old school) once I know which ones are going for sure. Pretty much my entire collection (which is pretty big) of old school Meta velveteens gets the boot and my olive D. Wakure set as well. This I am 100% sure about selling. Not sure but maybe: a Baby set (2005/2007) and AatP, IW stuff from 2009 to 2012.

Feels like I'm Marie Kondo-ing my collection, there won't be much left if I do this. Which actually feels kinda good, never thought I'd say that!

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Thoughts on these shoes?

>> No.10260221

>old school dream items
I want this Shirring OP worn here >>10259787 in every single fucking cut and fabric choice imagined. I was in love as soon as I saw it, but then I was able to find one of them thanks to an amazing anon here, and now that I have it in person I am fucking obsessed. It’s been released in both cotton and velvet solid colors, in addition to florals.. I fucking need all of them.

>> No.10260233

>>10260196
absolutely not

>> No.10260249

>>10260041
That sounds exciting, good luck with your life improvement! It's a good time to sell velvet items since a lot of us are thinking about cooler weather coords.

>> No.10260274

>>10260041
Ohhh, I’m very interested in all things velveteen! What’s your LM name if you don’t mind me asking

>> No.10260278

>>10260041
I am so proud of you making this life improvement, wish you the best of luck and looking forward to seeing your sales!

>> No.10260293

>>10260196
For old school? Nah. If you found this on DK they often have better mary janes than these, with a chunky heel and all.

>> No.10260351

>>10260233
>>10260293
Nayrt but when i look at old snaps i feel like they wore any mary janes they were able to find

>> No.10260459

>>10260221
>amazing anon here
aww you're too sweet! I'm glad I could link you that bxw OP. Hope you find the beautiful blue one!!

>> No.10260460

>>10260351
I mean you can follow that logic, but your coords will look nothing like old school because whats easily accessible now has changed significantly over the years

>> No.10260884

>>10260196
I cant get why it isn't right? It looks pretty chunky

>> No.10260895

>>10260884
There's more to it than just chunky/not chunky. The shape is all wrong and they're very clearly contemporary shoes

>> No.10260931

>>10260895
Where can i learn more?

>> No.10260943

>>10260931
Just look at more snaps.

My main issues with the shoes:
The toebox is more pointy than rounded. Oldschool shoes have a blockier toe, sometimes almost square.
The soles have large ridges. Oldschool soles have almost no ridges.
The platform is continuous. Most oldschool shoes have the heel and toe platforms almost completely separate.
The strap is disproportionate. This buckle and strap make the shoes look cartoonish because they're just too big.

Basically, every individual component of the shoes is just a little bit off, so the whole thing is unusable.

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>>10260943
They look fine, you're being a twat again Ophelia.

>> No.10260948

>>10260944
I'm not Ophelia, first off, I'm a different autist.
Besides all that shit I listed off, I find old school shoes much more comfy than my new shit. If anon didn't want harsh advice, then /cgl/ is not the place for them.

>> No.10260967

>>10260943
Thanks for the explanation Anon.

>> No.10260968

>>10260944
Nah they're right. Good detail analysis, really.

>> No.10260975

>>10260948
Just ignore and report please, it's the shitposter again.

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>>10259879
One day...

>> No.10261003

>>10260196
I hate it when people use heels with visible treading like these in coords. Absolutely not loliable, as much as the rest of the shoe may look it

>> No.10261522

What do you think about tattoos and piercings in OLD SCHOOL?

>> No.10261605

>>10261522
imo whether you have tattoos or piercings is a personal decision and I don't really judge lolitas who have them. I feel the same about it whether its old or new school lolita

>> No.10261725

>>10261522
>how do you feel about tattoos and piercings in a punk/goth subculture that's main subject is rebelling against the norm for female beauty standards

>> No.10261939

>>10261725
That's why i love old schoolers! Anon, let me kiss you from all my heart!

>> No.10261984

>>10261725
Lol spending time on hair and makeup and wearing skirts and dresses is not rebelling against female beauty standards

>> No.10261990

>>10261984
you're either a man or an idiot

>> No.10261993

>>10261984
>Not knowing the origins of lolita fashion
Summer really is long this year

>> No.10262003

>>10261984
It is rebelling by exaggerating social standards to the absurd point

>> No.10262011

>>10261993
All the girls posted itt are wearing makeup and have neatly styled hair

>>10261990
I'm not a man and you're not rebelling against beauty standards

>>10262003
Lmao no it's not, that's like saying dressing up like Maire Anoinette in a bigass wig and dress every day is rebelling against beauty standards

>> No.10262012

>>10262011
Not any of the anons you replied to, but you’ve got to be either intentionally being dense or literally mentally retarded if you don’t see how exaggerating the female/feminine stereotypes seen as “bad” and owning them to say “fuck you” to the sexualization of femininity is rebelling.

>> No.10262013

>>10262011
do you not understand what standards means?

>> No.10262016

>>10262011
>All the girls posted itt are wearing makeup and have neatly styled hair
I never said or even implied they didn't, sorry you're too dense to realize that.
Girls wore lolita to express femininity for themselves rather than to catch a husband like was expected in Japan at the time.

>> No.10262017

>>10262012
You're still making yourself look nice using hair and makeup, it's hardly rebelling. Do you think wearing bright lipstick and winged eyeliner is owning the patriarchy? This isn't either

>>10262013
Going against social standards =/= going against beauty standards

>> No.10262018

>>10262016
That's nice, you're not a Japanese girl in the early 90s

>> No.10262019

>>10262016
>Girls wore lolita to express femininity for themselves rather than to catch a husband like was expected in Japan at the time.
this

>> No.10262020

Can we just ignore the obvious roleplayer

>> No.10262021

>>10262017
Beauty standards are social standards dumbass. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t change from culture to culture. Not every lolita(not even most) is rocking the kind of makeup you describe either. Nice to see you aren’t even going to attempt to address the point of lolita taking negative female stereotypes such as frivolity and owning them. Probably because you’re too stupid to wrap your head around the concept.

There’s no way you aren’t some male larping.

>> No.10262023

>>10262019
this seems kind of interesting, like, the motivation to actually wear lolita seems very complex, I wish I could fully understand it in depth, as a male, they sort of give to me an aura of purity and feminity, which is attractive, but then they give another aura of being fashion victims and in too deep into urban subcultures that is kind of off-putting, so... back in the days, what used to happen with lolitas as in the sexual/sentimental/marriage field?

>> No.10262024

>>10262021
Do you think goth girls with fully-done faces and nice clothing are rebelling against beauty standards too? Sure they're rebelling against social norms but if they're following traditionally enforced grooming standards for women they're not rebelling

>>10262021
Can you read? It was another example of something that's frequently cited as "rebelling against the patriarchy" when it isn't. None of the lolitas posted ITT are wearing that makeup and they're not rebelling either

>> No.10262025

>>10262024
Why are you autism levels of fixated on makeup automatically being for other people? There are girls in Jfash that literally wear clown makeup every day. Are you saying that is to conform to ~beauty~ standards? Go back to /r9k/ where everyone will agree with your autistic screeching over muh makeup.

>> No.10262026

>>10262023
disgusting

>> No.10262029

>>10262025
Yeah and those clown faced girls are rebelling much more than you are! Meanwhile the vast majority of lolitas and ALL of the examples in here aren't. They wear makeup and style their hair in ways to cover up their natural flaws, and are WOMEN wearing hyper feminine clothing. That's not rebelling against female beauty standards. Face it

>> No.10262031

>>10262029
>>>/r9k/

Pls go back home, your incel pack misses you.

>> No.10262033

>>10262029
my god you are brain dead. culturally established women's beauty standards are in place to attract men. the mainstream understanding of femininity is to attract men. lolitas express hyper femininity NOT to attract men but for themselves, to embrace femininity SEPARATE from sex.

>> No.10262035

>>10262031
It's funny how you all think I'm an incel solely because I said lolita doesn't go against female beauty standards even though I said nothing negative about women in general, only beauty standards. Meanwhile you ignore >>10262023 Kinda pathetic

>> No.10262036

>>10262033
You can embrace beauty standards without wanting to attract men dumbass. Re: lesbians that embrace beauty standards, wearing makeup and nice clothing to the workplace, etc.

>> No.10262037

>>10262036
reading comprehension levels are low

>> No.10262040

>>10262035
I don’t think you’re an incel “solely because (you) said lolita doesn't go against female beauty standards”, I think you’re an incel because you are autistically fixated on girls wearing makeup and it seems to legitimately trigger you to the point of denial that girls wear makeup for themselves and not just for men

>> No.10262041

>>10262040
Did you read what I just said? You can embrace beauty standards without wanting to attract men >>10262036

>>10262037
Nice and you're not rebelling against the patriarchy!

>> No.10262042

>>10262041
Beauty standards are in place for women to attract a mate. If a girl dresses in a fashion specifically rooted in NOT attracting one but for expressing themselves, they are not conforming to beauty standards. If you’re serious and you REALLY cant get this through your head, someone needs to euthanize you or put you in a facility with the rest of the retards deemed too stupid to function with the rest of society

>> No.10262043

>>10262042
Wow imagine wanting to euthanize somebody for thinking lolita doesn't rebel against beauty standards. No wonder you've deluded yourself into thinking you're rebelling against the patriarchy, you're mentally ill af

>> No.10262044

OK please let's ignore the dense shitposter now

>> No.10262046

>>10262043
I stand by my point that we should euthanize the mentally retarded, such as yourself.

>> No.10262048

>>10262044
>>10262020
Ignoring doesn't help, you have to report them.
Also if jannies just nuked all their posts, I wouldn't be surprised if we discover there is some samefagging going on.

>> No.10262051

>>10262048
Are you genuinely retarded? I never said I wasn't samefagging, I made all of these posts

>>10262046
So you and >>10262048 should be euthanized as well?

>> No.10262053

>>10262051
Nah just you. You seem to be the only honest to god sped here.

>> No.10262054

>>10262053
Whatever makes you feel better. If you start taking your meds you won't want to euthanize people anymore and your delusions will go away!

>> No.10262058

>>10261984
It's rebelling against the current standards, yes.
The current standard of beauty is to show more skin and wear tight low cut clothing. Lolita emphasizes modesty, timelessness, and a kind of asexual prettiness. It takes norms from a time when women were socially repressed and plays with them.
If you find it attractive, that's fine, I mean men are going to find women attractive even if they wear a dinosaur costume, but it's on you.

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ignore maleposters

>> No.10262149

>>10260895
The treading is something that always makes it look obviously new to me. Maybe there are coords that have that sole back then, but it's not what I think of.

>> No.10262151

>>10262054
>Being triggered by some random telling you that you should be euthanized
"Drink bleach" is the oldest 4ch saying in the book. Maybe you should.

>> No.10262161

>>10262151
>Being this triggered that someone thinks lolita adheres to traditional female beauty standards
Lol nice

>> No.10262174

>>10262161
Didn't even read the thread, different poster. Just think you're a right dumb cunt for being so offended that you're wrong that you have to poke at silly, inoffensive (by 4chan standards) things like someone saying get euthanized. Is this your first day here?

>> No.10262178

>>10262174
>I'm a different poster!!!
>you're offended!
Whatever you say anon. Lolita still adheres to beauty standards and you need to take your meds.

>> No.10262200

Ignore maleposters. Report maleposters. This thread is for raging lipstick lesbians ONLY.

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SHUT THE FUCK UP AND POST OLDSCHOOL

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>>10262225

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requesting snaps or coords with capelets & mini-mantles--particularly velveteen?

>> No.10262863

Do you know guys, that unlike beautiful modern lolitas, you look like colourblind freaks, cause you, I dunno why, don't give a fuck 'bout color balance? I bet normies think you're mentally ill. How can anyone like something like this?

I'm happy we have chiffon now and thin lace, so coords look gorgeous.

>> No.10262873

>>10262863
Cool story bro

>> No.10262876

>>10262863
lolling heartily at the insinuation that normies don’t think lolitas who wear chiffon are also mentally ill

were all freaks non, get used to it

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>>10262863
So which oldschool OP DD did you miss out on on mercari, anon? Be honest.

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>>10262863

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>>10262881

>> No.10262890

>>10262880
nayrt but what even are you implying? i doubt they give a fuck about old school other than shitting on it

>> No.10262901

>>10262863
all versions of lolit -, old, new, sweet, gothic, etc - we all look fucking stupid to normies.
don't shit on old school style, we should walk hand in hand with our frilly sisters

>> No.10262904

>>10262890
Fox and sour grapes. I don't really think that's the case, I'm just shitposting.

>> No.10262905

>>10262883

Is this a replica of this OP?
>>10261001

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>>10262905
no.
many designs back in the day had releases in different fabrics.

>> No.10262912

>>10262905
Didn't that OP also release in red?

considering the link on the picture takes me to an old school lolita blog, would wager it's legit

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>>10262880
It's fucking funny (and pitiable) to imagine that
>"I'll try old school lolita. I'm not into most of this stuff, but this dress is lovely! It seems rare, too"
>someone buys it before anon can
>"...You know what? Fuck those old school freaks, anyway. Can't believe I was almost caught slipping. I-It's actually a blessing that I didn't get to buy that dress! I'll go and tell them how horrible they look right now, in fact..."
>tears welling up in anon's eyes
>"I LOVE my modern lolita dresses! They're beautiful and gorgeous! Those of you in velvet OPs and thick lace look like SHIT"
I'd draw a comic of that, but I can't draw lmao

>> No.10262937

>>10262927
Holy shit this is hilarious! Someone needs to draw this!

>> No.10262985

>>10262912
I always thought that dress is velvet...

>> No.10262997

>>10262927
Reminds me of Francis's mood swings

>> No.10263039

>>10262985
the black one is, but as this isn't the first time I've seen this dress in red + the person wearing it has a huge old school blog + collection, I would assume it's real

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>>10262985
It comes in both cotton and velveteen. And yes it's real. I've seen the red one for sale on a Japanese auction site, a very long time ago. I'm guessing she's the one who bought it.

>> No.10263066

>>10263039
>>10263041
Ty guys!

>> No.10263103

old-school is a way to be a little bit ita in a (lolita)-socially acceptable way, and also invoke the nostalgia of being a teenager and just getting into the fashion.
That's not a dig, I like old-school too. If you think it's a dig, fight me, I'm an oldfag.

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>>10263111

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>>10263113

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>>10263115
One of my favorites

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Rose Lace Petticoat from 2001 popped up if anyone is interested. It’s a bit much, but damn I love those old lace details.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F233350703528

>> No.10263300

>>10263285
That's a drop shipper/reseller dumbass, they have hundreds of listings with ridiculously marked up prices and fril proof photos

>> No.10263305

>>10263300
No shit, so are most Lolita “sellers” on eBay. doesn’t mean that someone isn’t interested. People bout CTP for $3k at one point. 200 for a skirt isn’t super unreasonable.

>> No.10263320

>>10263285
>>10263305
Fuck off scalper.
https://item.fril.jp/e5a359803780cf6d92e25b67e9ab90cb

>> No.10263324

>>10263285
>Location: United States
So which one of the failed LM scalpers is this?

>> No.10263326

>>10263305
They don't physically own anything they posted you dunce, would you rather buy a dress for $100 off of fril with an SS or that same dress for $400 from that seller who is literally buying shit from fril after you buy the ebay listing then reshipping it to you, how dense are you

>> No.10263342

>>10262200
this but unironically

>> No.10263376

>>10263285
I owned this and sold it for $15 because no one wanted it for months. It isn’t worth $200.

>> No.10263380

>>10263376
Similar ones have sold for more on LM though. Bitches love fully shirred skirts.

>> No.10263397

>>10262863
>not wanting to look like a colourblind freak
I hesitate to use the word "poseur" in 2019, but damn.
>>10263103
This anon gets it.

>> No.10263539

>>10263116
Beautiful. Is the OP jane marple?

>> No.10263548

>>10263539
No it’s from brand called ”vie privée”

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>>10262883
Oof

>> No.10263934

>>10263930
what are you pointing out?

>> No.10263938

>>10263934
How tight the straps are around her calves

>> No.10264061

>>10263938
They don't stay up without the squeeze. If you still have circulation you're doing it wrong.

>> No.10264068

>>10263930
>>10264061

Actually, I do want to know how they stay up. Have a pair of Bodyline RHS and there's nothing at the ends of the straps, I've never figured out how to tie them. I've heard that some girls put double--sided tape to hold them up and others use safety pins apparently?

How do they stay up?

>> No.10264078

>>10264068
They just explained, the chub helps hold it up like a strangling shelf. Also probably sock glue

>> No.10264087

>>10264068
Wait nothing at all? Bodyline ones are meant to have velcro at the ends, then you just sock tape them in the middle.

>> No.10264143

>>10264087

Nothing. Maybe the velcro (like, all 4 pieces??) fell off during transit, idk. Or I got a dud pair that slipped past quality control somehow.

Your comment explains a lot though, thanks! Should be easy enough to glue some velcro on.

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>> No.10264424

>>10264356
this is my aesthetic right here. hits me right in the heart.

>> No.10264794

>>10264364
This one makes me uncomfortable. Reminds me too much of some sissy shit.

>> No.10264796

>>10264794
that sounds like a you problem

>> No.10264800

>>10264796
Yes, anon. That's why the post was typed with first person pronouns, not second or third person.

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>>10265131

>> No.10265137

>>10265132
What dress is this?

>> No.10265168

>>10265137
https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-op-with-choker

>> No.10265169

>>10260943

>Most oldschool shoes have the heel and toe platforms almost completely separate.

Yes, either that or full platform NO in-betweensies and I agree that strap is all wrong. Good detective work, anon.

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>>10262077

>ignore maleposters
lmfao yes

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>>10264359

Anyone remember the ole 2006 AP halloween sets, I think there was a Little Witch Set and a Pure Heart (?) set. Are there any coord of these esp the all white one?

>> No.10265177

>>10264352

what bear is this? i'm on a bear obsession rn i kid you not.

>> No.10265179

>>10265177
Looks like this was a segment on DIY-ing teddy bears.

>> No.10265180

>>10260943
nayrt to add on, don't just look at snaps for inspo either anon! look at old goth photos, look for older stock designs of platform shoes from the 90s and search for shoes similar to that. antaina makes some decent platforms that work great with old school

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>>10265177
it was a gosurori pattern

>> No.10265185

>>10265181

omg ty anon.. maybe now i can make my own bears instead of pining away for the burando ones

>> No.10265208

>>10265176
I want this dress so bad and I’ve only ever seen it for sale once. I regret not getting it while I had the chance.

>> No.10265236

>>10264143
Their quality control is awful. I had a pair years ago and on one shoe, the straps were much longer than on the other shoe.

>> No.10265273

>>10265176
>>10265208

These sets are ultra rare and I'm surprised you even came across the AP cat one. I've seen the little witch set but never the AP Pure Heart Set. Here's a link on LJ back in the good ole' days: https://angelicpoodle.livejournal.com/121475.html

>> No.10265542 [DELETED] 

I hate that kamiuchida0730 reseller so, so damn much.

>>10265208
>>10265273
It's not ultra rare, it popped up last year and this year, a month ago.

>> No.10265543

I hate that kamiuchida0730 reseller so, so damn much.

>>10265208
>>10265273
It's not ultra rare, it popped up last year and this year.

>> No.10265547

>>10265543
What did they do?

>> No.10265549

>>10265273
Literally every single one of the main pieces in the link sold this year except the Hansel & Gretel Set that someone tried to sell last year but then deleted it. You guys seriously need to up your secondhand game.

>> No.10265551

>>10265547
Buying very cheap (as in 1000-4000 yen) old school from violet blue or fril and then sell it for 10k-20k more. I hoped they finally fucked off or fully switched to scalping JM but I guess not.

>> No.10265837

>>10260196
Wow this brings me back. This is certainly an old-school look c. early 2000s. Completely ita, regardless.

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>> No.10266309

>>10266140
Low right girl, what is this jsk?

>> No.10266345

>>10266309
It's that baby dress with embroidered flower pots with wheels and hats.

>> No.10266373

>>10266309
>>10266345

Flower cart embroidery. Note that the release has two different jsk cuts.

(lol @ that description though)

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I pretty much never see anyone talk about these existing (Meta gobelin bustier). Would something like this go in an ero lolita coord?

>> No.10266401

>>10266395
Bustiers like this are usually worn over blouses with skirts to get a JSK look, not by themselves. I own a couple Meta bustiers like this and I think they'd look very strange without a blouse, especially if you don't have the matching skirt. Besides, this type of oldschool is way too frumpy looking to lend itself well to ero.

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>> No.10266769

Ww has this gorgeous op listed. Im broken now, so mb one of you wil get it

https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/products/w-47150

>> No.10266819

>>10266769
Shoulder width: 34 cm
>cries

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>>10264359
god i want to build an all red coordinate so bad

>> No.10266903

>>10266882
Just do it anon.

>> No.10267574

What do you dislike most about neo-lolita?
I personally hate chiffon dresses and ott dresses that impossible to wear anywhere, without looking like Disney Princess cosplay. I also dislike tea parties and overall "versatile" look.

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>>10266882

>> No.10267583

>>10267574
I also dislike chiffon.
I'm also sick to death of fucking berets, that pair of Baby lace socks literally everyone has, and heavy ig makeup worn with lolita.
Tea parties have been around forever at this point though, I do admit I like them.

>> No.10267594

>>10267583
I generally feel the same about berets in modern coords but I love mini berets or berets that have ties for under the chin in old coords

>> No.10267599

>>10267574
Oh, for me that is so hard to explain. It's the entire styling I guess. It's more fast fashion now, people wear a popular print a couple of times and then sell it. Old school fags like myself tend to hoard what we own, right?Or is that just me? Everything is about prints, prints, prints. The busier, bigger and gaudier the better is seems? The quality is not that great any more either, thinner cheaper fabrics, lots of crappy chiffon and the cuts often very simple cause all the focus is on the print. Sure, I own prints like every one else does (old school ones) but some people seem to skip on the simpler or solid pieces these days, so sad. I miss the time when people appreciated solids, pretty lace (like torchon) or embroidery, lovely details like pintucks or pleats. They put a lot of effort in the cuts. Old school has a certain frumpyness that I really love. I'm an nostalgic old fag though, neo-lolita has never been my thing. I love that girls born at the time I was already wearing it (2003) are now loving old school. Makes me happy to see young people appreciate the fashions origins.

I guess this answer was more about what I like about old school than what I hate about neo-lolita, oh well.

>> No.10267631

>>10267574
I actually really like neo-lolita! I like how varied many brands releases have become while being more durable and accessible, especially with catering to the Chinese market. What I dislike has nothing to do with current lolita fashion, but more to do with current (western) lolitas.

I'm an old-school punk and goth lolita. I got into the fashion through VK in the early 00s, though I was aware of it even during the 90s. The lolita look back then (big clownish shoes, messy hair, bloomers peeking out, frumpy and doll-like) is very different from current trends. We weren't afraid of breaking The Rules because the whole point was nonconformity and expression.

Now a lot of girls who get into the fashion seem to lack a rebel spirit. Stuff gets labeled ita if the petti is peeking a bit, or the girl is wearing chunky boots, because those aren't "allowed". I think this attitude, at least in the western community, has really stifled creativity. It limits girls to such a narrow style, lest the lolita police bitch about them.

I'm not saying stuff like ita threads is bad. Ita helps girls learn what not to do, by pointing out bad fits and cheap construction and stuff that's tacky or juvenile in a not-cute way. Just it's bad how narrowly many people define "lolita". It seems like only a narrow slice or sweet, classic, and gothic is acceptable anymore. Punk, pirate, decora, ero, EGA, and the rest all get automatically put in the 'ita' category by many people, just because they follow a different ruleset.

>> No.10267637

>>10267631
How would you describe lolita aesthetic back then?

>> No.10267638

>>10267574
The lack of solid basic jsks, the lack of shirred skirts that you can throw on and go, the lack of skirts in general, the over abundance of sweet lolita and the obsession with prints. Don't get me wrong, I still buy new releases from moitie, but this is only because I never had a chance to do so in the past and second hand moitie is not easy to come by, but not impossible.

>> No.10267884

>>10267574
The lack of beautiful lace and more interesting details like pintucks, scallops, actual variety in cuts etc. Everything is a print in the same 4 cuts, chiffon overlay with a basic ruffle or embroidered tulle lace. Blagh. Bring back screenprinted velvet and 4 types of lace on one dress.

>> No.10267894

>>10267574
I miss the creativity. Everything comes in a set now and if your blues aren't an exact match or if you don't follow the 'rurus' you're considered ita. What happened to developing skills such as embroidery or sewing to add a cute personal touch to an outfit. We're spoonfed everything now, even how to style each coord, if you've got enough money you don't have to think, just wear cookie cutter coords like everyone else.

>> No.10267902

>>10267574
Oversaturation. So many busy prints and OTT everything, but it all manages to blend into itself and look generic after a certain point.
In contrast, old school feels more creative and experimental, but somehow simpler in execution. Since there's more diversity in shape/cut, there are more ways to mix and match different items. The smaller details are also more lovely. You might not always get hit with a super unique, eye-catching print, but the entire outfit works together to make an impact.
To me, when someone is wearing old school, it feels like their own personality and flair is always reflected in some way. I find that inspiring, even if it can lend itself to frumpiness. Neo-Lolita, on the other hand, doesn't seem to say much about the wearer when it's done correctly. It's more like filling out a list of set tenets, and that looks nice, but also gets bland.
I also like the idea of being a punk dressed up like a life-size doll, or a gothic illustration from the 90s or 2000s come to life (eg Kaori Yuki or Mitsukazu Mihara's works). Neo-Lolita definitely can't and won't give me that the way old school does.

>> No.10268036

https://youtu.be/nsPoTKlfuJI

>> No.10268041

>>10267574
I used to hate it simply because I didn't like the fabric and lace choices and because I'm not fond of prints. But in the last months I took a close look at current more simple pieces, hauls and close ups with little details you couldn't even see in stock- or worn pictures and I'm starting to get inspired a bit. I think a lot of anons who say modern lolita can't be creative just aren't very creative themselves and can't imagine anything that hasn't been presented in a magazine to them before.

>> No.10268273

>>10268041
I think also what's most easily visible online is always the stuff that is popular, cookie-cutterish and follows a certain look to get likes because that's how algorithms and CoF-type commuities work. I get much more inspired looking at what people call "casual lolita" nowadays (which would have been "lolita" in the 2000s)

>> No.10268299

>>10267574
I hate the lack of skirts and wearable Jsks these days. I know that IW and JetJ are still doing Jsks, but it's the same cut all over again. without any oher detailing and it's just so boring. Victorian Maiden is the only brands that is still nice imo.

I also hate how what used to be a normal outfit 10 years ago is now considered casual or even ita. I stopped posting to COF after somebody called me an ita because the wind blew a strand of hair into my face and my curls were a bt loose.

>> No.10268302

>>10262024
>If you don't conform to MY standards of rebellion then you're not rebelling at all!

My god how can you be so annoyed about this and still miss the point

>> No.10268423

>>10268036
I'm going to cry. thank you for this anon.
the nostalgia from the music is a lot. love the mismatched patterns in 4:05. big Pink House vibes

>> No.10268442

>>10268036
that green velveteen apron skirt at 26:30 hoooolyshit

>> No.10268535

I know I already posted this in the archive thread, but I'll say it here too just to make sure. If there are any old yaplog blogs you bookmarked, save them now because they close down on January 31th. http://www.yaplog.jp/m/close/

>> No.10268654

>>10268036
>1:17
>3:30
>7:39 (lovely lace monster)
>8:52
>11:58
>16:28
>19:38
>21:01
>21:59
>26:35
Iconic outfits.

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Thoughts? I think these both have their merits.

>> No.10268727

>>10268725
What are you even asking? These are two entirely different coords and you're in the old school thread so any opinion will obviously be biased towards the second image. Rper be gone.

>> No.10268733

>>10268725
>Thoughts?
I wish I could live in a baby shop, no matter what era.

>> No.10268738

>>10268725
I actually don't care for either of them much. The second one really suffers with the beige mom cardigan.

>> No.10268752

>>10268727
If you had actually read the thread, paranoia-chan, you'd see we were already talking about neo-lolita vs old school. The image would just be expanding on that, using two different coords that have the same elements.

>> No.10268755

>>10268752
They aren't similar at all. You're just retarded and can't see past the stiff bonnet. Not my fault you write posts like an rping sissy.

>> No.10268756

>>10268725
While I actually like a lot of neo-lolita, I really hate the coord on the left. I think it looks stupid when you have a printed dress that ends so high up and then have miles of underskirts. While the right coord isn’t one of my favourite oldschool coords, I do still love it. Somehow oldschool coords can manage to have a single item in another colour without it sticking out like a sore thumb.

>> No.10268762

>>10268725
I can't help laughing at old school stiff bonnets. They look like giant plates

>> No.10268765

>>10268755
Go ahead and show me where in that post it reads "They are similar".
You sound like a projecting, mangry tranny trying his hardest to fit in after hearing "/cgl/ girls are bitchy tee-hee" from his fellow sissies. Take a pill, seriously.

>> No.10268836

>>10268752
the reply function exists for a reason. why are you so assblasted that no one knows wtf your intended context is? you tried but it's clear you're new. lurk more if you want to contribute good discussion starters.

>> No.10268883

>>10268765
Your insinuation that they are comparable in the first place; this is where you asserted their similarities.

>> No.10268903

>>10268762
Floppy bonnets were also common back then but I agree these huge stiff ones look like a huge plate. Not a fan of the big ones anyway.

>> No.10268912

>>10267631
Based post.

>>10267574
Goddamn AP polyester. I bought one on a whim and why the fuck is it the same price as cotton Baby dresses that I could pitch a tent with? Literal H&M tier fabric.

>> No.10268913 [DELETED] 

>>10268836
I'm not new at all, actually. You just lack proper reading comprehension, and I'm sorry it took a 4chan post to break it to you.

>> No.10268914

>>10268883
That's how you chose to read into it, not what it actually says.

>> No.10268917

>>10268836
>what are context clues
>what is context in general
I'm not new at all, actually. You just lack proper reading comprehension, and I'm sorry it took a 4chan post to break it to you. There's no excuse for impaired deductive reasoning skills.

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>> No.10268937

>>10268934
that's the kind of shit I like, on the right

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>> No.10268947

>>10268917
no one cares.
>>10268926
what a strong presence. that stare. this is Kato-san, right?

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>> No.10268951

>>10268947
>no one cares
Then stop replying and actually contribute to the thread.

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yamero

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>> No.10268963

>>10268918
It's not old school it has modern lace

>> No.10269287

What are some popular misconceptions about old school style? Which one you hate the most?

My all time favourite is "old school is about wearing solid pieces without prints"

>> No.10269375

>>10269287
>old school is about wearing solid pieces without prints

My favorite oldschool pieces are almost all prints, I just like the overall simpler design of older prints VS modern ones. Most of the current oldschoolers seem to stick to solids or all-over designs like tartan or gobelin. I wish they would wear more prints because there's so many that I never see worn anymore.

>> No.10269380

>>10268963
tulle lace isnt necessarily modern, iw and moitie used it in early 2000s

>> No.10269486

>>10268914
Ok let's all just compare dogs and oranges because they're both made of matter! Totally worth comparing.

>> No.10269487

>>10269287
Only black with white lace means old school.

>> No.10269903

>>10269486
Stop shitting up the thread.

>> No.10270038

hate to be that person but anyone got an invite to the oldschool discord? I know people say it’s shit but a friend said it would be good to join if only for the sharing of links and stuff

>> No.10270040

>>10269487
shit bait

>> No.10270048

>>10270040
>What are some popular misconceptions about old school style?
>misconceptions

lrn2read

>> No.10270098

>>10270048
ah fuck my bad

>> No.10270135

>>10270038
They don't accept seagulls.

>> No.10270179

>>10270135
Yes they do. They're all seagulls. Lol.

>> No.10270198

>>10270179
They banned several people for posting about conversations here and screenshotting the discord chats.

>> No.10270199

>>10270198
Anyone should be banned for screenshotting discord chats tho
The main server does the same thing

>> No.10270205

The server sucks anyways, I think one of the mods isn't even a lolita

>> No.10270206

>>10270205
Is he still there? That guy made me so uncomfortable.

>> No.10270211

>>10270206
There's a male too? I'm talking about the annoying kpop retard.

>> No.10270238

>>10270211
>annoying kpop retard
Sounds familiar. Does he go by the name Caesar?

>> No.10270252

>>10270238
no I'm pretty sure the person they're referring to is a girl who's irl friends with this girl >>10265129

>> No.10270265

>>10270198
How are they supposed to know who is posting here? They kicked one person because she tried to gossip about them in another server.

>> No.10270267

>>10270205
>>10270211
No, she is a lolita and actually looks pretty cute in it. It's the oldschooler with the extremely curly hair.

>> No.10270274

>>10270265
They also kicked some girl for screen shotting conversations to complain about the server, she also called girls itas for giving her gentle crit. The server she posted the screen shots to proceeded to drag her for it, but I left discord around that time so I don't know what ever came of it.

>> No.10270575

>>10270198
>>10270199
How would they even know who to ban for screenshotting chats? Are they friends with a janitor or something?

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bring back mini hats

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>>10270600

>> No.10270625

>>10270205
Sorry you got kicked for starting drama

>> No.10270628

>>10270597
Why didn’t they release more dresses with that heart lace? It’s beautiful.

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>> No.10270706

>>10270274
they also kicked a girl for having irl mental health problems in front of the mod. They were friends.

>> No.10270707

>>10270706
whaat? details please

>> No.10270712

>>10270274
Yes, we are talking about the same girl. She's quite the ita herself.

>> No.10270719

>>10270707
I don't think it's well known but it has to do with why she was banned from her comm

>> No.10270740

>>10270706
"Irl mental health problems" lol.

>> No.10271367

>>10270267
This is honestly not ringing any bells and I thought I knew all the oldschoolers.

>> No.10271371

>>10270740
Right lol

>> No.10271843

>>10271367
they're confused between two people

>> No.10271876

>>10270211
She still wears lolita you moron

>> No.10272584

>>10271367
the kpop girl is literally >>10265127

>> No.10272592

>>10272584
Lol weak bait

>> No.10272669

>>10272592
I don't see how it's bait, everyone was confused abt who the curly haired kpop girl
>>10270211
>>10270238

>> No.10272793

>>10272669
The curly haired girl and the kpop girl are two different people

>> No.10272817

This thread is dead

>> No.10272837

>>10272669
That's not her, retard

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>>10276548

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>>10276550

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>>10276553

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>>10276554

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>>10276556

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>>10276557

>> No.10276600

>>10276556
Love her hair.

>> No.10276923

>>10276556
This isn't lolita in the slightest

>> No.10276929

>>10276923
The katakana at the top literally say "baabii" AKA Barbie style I'm guessing while the other says "gosurori" and actually is early lolita

>> No.10276937 [DELETED] 

>>10276923
Don’t be so shallow. There’s much to be appreciated in lolita predecessors

>> No.10277975

>>10276929
A prototype for lolita already existed at the time and it did not look like this.

It's an obvious mistake there's been tons of them over the years I mean look at >>10259787

>> No.10278068

>>10277975
>A prototype for lolita already existed at the time and it did not look like this.
Post it.

>> No.10278113

>>10277975
I mean it can still be appreciated for what it is. Personally I think the hair is cute and I’d try it with lolita

>> No.10278123

>>10278068
the other page of the same magazine, dingbat >>10276557
(she might not have the big skirt but she’s got everything else down and is wearing brand, and the lolita silhouette wasn’t set in stone yet so volume-less skirts were acceptable in many cases)

>> No.10278398

New thread:
>>10278363
>>10278363
>>10278363