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>> No.10257726

where the fuck are the secrets

>> No.10257750

Why does it matter if they get posted or not since it's just gonna be 1 or 2 at best anyway

>> No.10257762
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Found this nasty shit today. Gross

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>> No.10257787

This makes me want to cry.

>> No.10257811

I was like "what's the problem, it's just a basic-tier dress and..." Then I saw the website it was posted in. Gross.

>> No.10257819

How can a dress be vegan???? Are all other JSK dipped in the blood of baby bunnies before they’re sold

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>> No.10257827

Well, dress can be made out of wool, silk or genuine leather, this fabrics aren't vegan.

>> No.10257835

Not for these prices, they can't. Most of this shit is cotton at best, so describing it as vegan is such baito desu

>> No.10257838

Honesltly, when i first saw this, I just thought, yet another shitty carousel print for AP. How is this presented as a Halloween release ffs?

>> No.10258009

It has bats on it etc. It's probably the worst halloween release i've ever seen from them

>> No.10258014

If it helps these sites scalp the FUCK out of the pedos. Once I saw a 60 dollar dress from diamond honey marked up to 200-250.

>> No.10258030

Am I the only one who cringe when lolitas refer to their dresses as "she"?

>> No.10258040

Schrödinger's Cat Halloween print when?

>> No.10258044

Sorry anon, "dress" is a feminine noun in many languages and it's hard to kick the habit.

>> No.10258052

It exists, you just haven't observed it yet

>> No.10258064

Dropshippers don't know their market, what else is new.

>> No.10258069

No I do too, but it's the usual tumblr lingo.

>> No.10258082

Work for a high end couture storefront in a lowly position. But, sometimes designers for our fashion lines come in and I’ve overheard them call dresses in the thousands of dollars a “she” because they possess a certain amount of pride. It seems to be an ingrained part of fashion culture. This is quite common.

>> No.10258105

>It seems to be an ingrained part of fashion culture.
Prolly came from flamboyant gay stereotypes but ok.

>> No.10258111

It's actually masculine in my language, so I find this funny.

Anyway, I feel that a lot of people do this with inanimate objects, not just dresses (though this is my first time hearing anyone do it with dresses, is it said seriously or in a joking way?)

People sometimes do the same with cars.

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>> No.10258173

Fascinating irony.

Sound association could be a thing, based on language consideration. For example, in cars, Toyota/Honda/Mazda are more likely to be refered to as "she" because of the final "a" characteristic to female names (Anna, Elena, Maria etc). Audi/VW/BMW are regarded as masculine due to the sonority of name. But Lexus and Maserati are butch femme and nobody can convince me otherwise.
A "dress" is associated with the female gender, so I guess by polarity it becames a "she" in familiar speech.

>> No.10258252

So are we not getting a Halloween print from Baby this year? It sure does seem like it.

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>no lavender
AP you had ONE fucking job

>> No.10258586

Where is Connie why isn't she modeling this

>> No.10258588

This looks like a cheap Halloween costume.

>> No.10258596

Because it’s the brand magic holic, not AtePie you fucking creep. Conni isn’t their only model anyways why are you so obsessed?

>> No.10258597

>high cut
Yes yes yes yes

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Just put in my reservation for this.
They also rereleased new cuts of holy lantern but y'all probably don't care about that.

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New cuts too.

>> No.10258600

Wonder if they'll up the bust measurements like for Honey Cake. They've never done so before for other releases but one can dream.

>> No.10258601

How popular is the zipper cut?

>> No.10258602

Is this Japan only?

>> No.10258605

They usually announce the Japanese stuff first and then announce/release it through AP USA later I believe.

I usually get the AP USA newsletter type emails a few days to a week after the Japanese announcements are reposted here.

>> No.10258606

Honestly don't love the new cuts...but they're cheaper? And maybe more roomy in the shoulders than regular OPs

>> No.10258607

They look too casual for the flocky velvety details, but since HL is such a popular print, there sure is a big tacky crowd to empty the stock of those too.

>> No.10258611

Jesus christ no thank you.
This dress is just a meme now. Like a really late April Fool's joke.

>> No.10258620

They literally could have just released a skirt instead and it would have been better than the cutsew dress style. It also is annoying that they will release fucking orange but not Lavender. I get it's kind of a Halloween print and I'm more of a pink girl myself but wtf. Do people even buy the orange ones? It only works around Halloween and fall, otherwise people will be annoying and say you're too early or too late to wear this color combo.

>> No.10258622

>people will be annoying
Why are you wearing lolita for anyone other than yourself? Wear orange and black if you like it don't be a pussy

>> No.10258623

Idk what everyone is bitching about bc cutsew dresses are amazing. Also I love that we are getting so many rereleases because it gives me hope for owning my dream dresses that aren't over worn and stained and had 5 owners.

>> No.10258624 [DELETED] 

>not showing your Halloween pride year round

Fucking pleb, excuse yourself from living ASAP.

>> No.10258632

The new baby model looks like asían arya stark, soo inbreed

>> No.10258644

It's a normal release. Just use a forwarding service.

>> No.10258645

Ah yes, no lace and can't be washed. Thanks AP.

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>> No.10258648

Me too anon. Magic amulet cutsew has been on my wtb list forever now and I couldn't find it.

I really like how they applied this cut to Holy Lantern too. I always wanted a more casual version of that dress.

>> No.10258649

>can't be washed
Why are you claiming this?

>> No.10258651

Worse bodice face than boob Jesus. But it kinda works to express how much of a clusterfuck this design is

>> No.10258652

There arent words in any language that can describe how strong is my hatred for that piece of shit. HL is fucking piece of tumblr. Its not even proper lolita. Thin straps and no lace? Wtf is that? Where are my f r i l l s ?

>> No.10258672

This would be such a cute cut for a casusl Halloween print but I refuse to acknowledge holy lantern as halloween.

>> No.10258673

Literally same, the cutsew top looks nasty and cheap and kills any elegance you can bring to the piece

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When wearing a mask people can still see my eyes through the eyeholes and I feel like that makes it a lot less scary. What's the best way for me to be able to see through the mask, but keep my eyes hidden?

>> No.10258700

Didn't it exist before tumblr?

>> No.10258734

Does anyone else have a tough time buying certain pieces for your wardrobe because you're so picky? I rarely find blouses that I like and it's driving me nuts. I can't survive on only having 4 basic blouses anymore, especially now that I have a job where I can be a daily lolita.

>> No.10258737

I'm pretty picky about some things. Have you tried finding those same blouses in different colorways, or even having multiples? nothing wrong with that if you're going to wear lolita everyday.

>> No.10258739

I'm picky about most of stuff. I have separate wishlist for accessories that I want to be exact + I keep in mind some blouses, cardis and also prints that I specifically care to have matching legwear. Sometimes I do consider alternatives, but it bothers me that I may end up spending money and stay unsatisfied. The most annoying is that I still can't get myself lolita shoes because everything I see so far is either too basic, or uncomfortiable, or too flat, or too expensive (I really love brand designs, but idk).

>> No.10258743

I scoured the Taobao store I bought one of my favorite blouses from and found out that they remade the blouse, so I'm gonna buy a few in different colors to stock up! I also recently got a new sewing machine, so I'll probably start making my own blouses as well.
Tbh one of my biggest problems is that 2 of the basic blouses are from Taobao brands and Taobao brands discontinue collections so quickly. I want to find a few more brand blouses that I love so that I can maybe another one secondhand to have multiples.

I feel the exact same way about blouses as you do about shoes. I want my wardrobe to look more vintage (think Fanny Rosie's) than outright lolita, so everything I find is too ott, would be unflattering, or has details that I don't like. I wish I wasn't so overly picky and that I could buy pieces even if they're not 100% perfect.

>> No.10258756

Yes I have the same problem with blouses. I am in dire need of different collars but it's so hard different kinds if collars without buttons being involved. I hate buttons on blouses as replacing them on jsks is already enough extra work.

>> No.10258844

wait, you don't own any shoes?
are you a fresh babby?

>> No.10258852

yes...yes it did

>> No.10258858

No it wasn't, Holy Lantern came out 2015, Tumblr was arguably even in decline at that stage.

>> No.10258863

Wait I'm dumb it was 2013 but Tumblr was still alive and well at that point.

>> No.10258866

Oof big same, Anon. I've got a hella small wardrobe because I won't buy something unless I ~absolutely~ love it to pieces. Been in the fashion for about a year now and I only have 5 dresses and a skirt

>> No.10258880

Why would you replace them? That sounds ugly

>> No.10258882

That's a normal amount for someone who's been into it for a year..

>> No.10258889

Wait really? My friend who got into it at the same time as me has like 2-3x as much stuff as me

>> No.10258894

It's really not a good idea to commit that hard so early imo, your style is still developing and you might not even like most of that stuff in 6 months.

>> No.10258898

i had someone ask me about shipping with a male name attached to the bottom of a letter. i can't help wonder if it was a sissy, brolita or if they were inquiring about a gift.

>> No.10258901

Because they eventually pop off and I have to?

>> No.10258904

side note why do brands always barely attach their buttons, I have this problem too

>> No.10258934

To be fair, mine take a year or so of wear but because I'm always buying new pieces at different intervals, I'm forever in button replacement mode

>> No.10258936

Honestly I don't understand why so many new people are in so big rush to get dresses. I always think it's better to focus on accessories, shoes, bags and blouses first. I think wearing 5 dresses many times with different accessories is better than wearing 15 dresses with same accessories every time.

>> No.10258952

I hope for your sake it was a gift. My bf bought stuff from lacemarket for my birthday before!

>> No.10258957

I fell into this trap as a newfag so I get it. There's always so much hype around main pieces and owning certain prints that that's all you think about when you first start.

I gotta agree with the other anon. Don't rush in and buy a ton of pieces. Get a feel for what you like/don't like first before committing. I thought I'd like gothic when I first started, then I transitioned to sweet, and now I strictly wear classic.

>> No.10258995

I'm an old timer and I cannot stress this enough, you are correct. I got into lolita when I was young and I focused on dresses and on nothing else. Now I am struggling to find good accessories, jewelry, socks. etc to make my coordinates versatile.

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>> No.10259027

Fixed that for you

>> No.10259045

thanks, anon

>> No.10259054

These anons are right. My tastes have changed and gone in circles time and time again, but I'm glad I never bought everything I saw and liked when I was 16 and just getting into the fashion because nothing would ever get touched. Even though back then I felt bad for not having a huge wardrobe or a lot of prints, the things that have stayed in my wardrobe on constant rotation are my blouses, outerwear, hair accessories and the like and I'm always on the hunt for more stuff to pad out my wardrobe.

When I buy new blouses, jackets and legwear I often come up with whole new coords for some of my oldest main pieces, because I suddenly have all these ideas for different colour combos and silhouettes. It's not about having a huge amount of dresses and skirts right off the bat, it's about getting versatility out of what you do have. Most of the girls who have huge wardrobes have been wearing the fashion and buying dresses for over a decade.

It's also really unlikely that you'll find a huge amount of things readily available that a.you can afford all at once, and b.you actually like and aren't just buying because it's available/cheap/someone else wore it/whatever other reason that will result in a piece sitting in the back of your wardrobe. It's easier to build up little by little rather than committing to having a huge amount of dresses you can't even coordinate.

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>> No.10259060

is it still considered a knock-off when the original was your own design

>> No.10259085

I have never had this problem. Literally 0 of my buttons have come off. Maybe you're not wearing the right size.

>> No.10259088

I knew this comment was coming.

Usually its waist ties. But whatever you got your little snark comment in.

>> No.10259104

K so you are pulling your waist ties too tight because you're wearing the wrong size. And that anon was talking about blouses, you can easily find those in a variety of styles without waist ties.

>> No.10259106

yeah it’s more common to find blouses without waist ties

>> No.10259119

nayrt but I've had waist tie buttons pop off of 2 brand blouses even though I take the waist ties off. Luckily I was still at home both times so I could just sew the buttons back on, but it's ridiculous that they came off in the first place. My guess is that they're so loosely sewn on that they came off from rubbing against jsks and high waisted skirts.

Also >Maybe you're not wearing the right size
most brands' blouses come only in one size, but I guess you wouldn't know.

>> No.10259124

Why wouldn't I know that? If you think I'm a larper, you know larpers can also view brand webshops and see the sizing right..?

>> No.10259126

Not all blouses a brand releases are the same size in cm and there is a lot of difference between brands too

>> No.10259133
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New Release † 2way Bag with Logo Plate

Perfect for elegant coordinates, this understated bag features a small metal logo plate.
The shiny material of the silver colorway is resilient against water and dirt.
The material of the black colorway feels similar to a slightly rougher leather.
Both colorways come with blue lining inside.
Fits a long wallet, smartphone, 500ml bottle, a makeup pouch and a handkerchief while still fully closing.

Height: 22cm
Width: 26.5~32.5cm
Depth: 9cm
Handle: 33cm
Shoulder strap: width 1.5cm, length 95~107cm

Outer material (silver): imitation leather (PU)
Outer material (black): imitation leather (PVC)
Lining: 100% polyester

Magnetic clasp
Detachable shoulder strap
Interior: two regular pockets, one zipper pocket

24.000JPY (+tax)

【Release Date】
September 28, 3pm JST

>> No.10259135

Thanks I hate it

>> No.10259150

This is literally a grandma bag. Come on MMM just make some more leather bat bags ffs.

>> No.10259153

If I wanted something this boring I'd just buy a normie handbag

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Too bad I don’t wear stuff this sweet :(

>> No.10259172

Mana what the fuck is this?

>> No.10259193

Ah so they finally revealed the print that they teased in the Hamburg Teaparty announcement. Speaking of which, is anyone from here going?

>> No.10259244

>Misako's favourite book is Lolita
>Imai Kira did Melanie Martinez fanart

This is shit I'd expect from uwu ddlg itas, what the fuck

>> No.10259250

Ahh, without the white stripes I'd love this

>> No.10259251

Lolita is objectively a valuable literary piece. Martinez is sometimes aesthetically pleasing, or at least easy to draw into something like that.
Also, late to the party newfag.

>> No.10259252

Oh if only this were plain instead of having the creepy baby face

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dammit i didn't want to believe you. >unrelated but that movie was such a crock of shit

>> No.10259258

If a blouse is too loose that’s not the right size, but it shouldn’t make the buttons fall off. In fact it would give LESS tension than one that fits properly. I’ve had it happen with too big blouses(mainly baby.)

>> No.10259260

Why not? The book is really great and it's not Nabokov's fault that some dumbassed pedos didnt get what Lolita is about.

>> No.10259286

I was really hoping they would finally do this! I hope the reservation number isn't too low so I can grab one. I instantly regretted not getting it in the first release.

>> No.10259287

Ugh I wish I wasn't such a poorfag, this is my dream dress and I'd love to buy direct from AP rather than secondhand. I'm really happy it got a MTO though.

>> No.10259293

When I want plain gothic bags I buy jean paul gautier, but thanks for the effort Moitie.

>> No.10259296

>Misako's favourite book
It's one of the books she likes.

>> No.10259317

Loads of Japanese lolitas love that sort of stuff (not all ofc), is it some sort of cultural misunderstanding?

>> No.10259321

Is MM that bad? Idk how what she does is any different to someone wearing Suya Suya Toys or Dreamy Baby Room or whatever it was called.

>> No.10259322

I'll buy it if it comes to ap usa. If not I won't bother

>> No.10259332
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Has anyone bought a main piece from Antique Beast before, particularly this Cross OP?

I've seen Tamie review some dresses and the quality seems good, but that was some time ago and someone complained here about the bloomers they got so I was worried that their quality dropped.

>> No.10259402

I'd be surprised if any of the ddlgs actually read Lolita. The book is beautifully written but very disturbing, and from the book itself there's not anything to fetishize. Lolita herself isn't even a "cute little girl" but rather a badly behaved tomboy who refuses to wash her hair. She says in explicit terms that Humbert raped her, and nowhere is it actually treated as a love story, the book is about abuse.

The movies, on the other hand, are shit and do fetishize the story which is probably how it got so popular in ddlg.

>> No.10259413

I got one of her velvet OPs, quality was great. I'm just an idiot because I should've asked to custom size it a bit smaller. Definitely read the measurements - imo AB runs a bit big but she will do free custom sizing if it's only a couple cms.

>> No.10259415

i owned that dress. the size was bigger than i anticipated, but the quality was really nice. the sleeves have really nice lace on them. would recommend

>> No.10259417

U ironically my favourite book is lolita. I read it with the intent of hating it (I was interested in EGL first, I had never read the book) but the mindfuck of the beautiful poetic language and the vile acts, as well as the unreliable narrator made it one of my faves.

Sage for blog post.

Just saying, maybe it's her favourite book for a reason? Melanie Martinez is actually trash though, rape claims aside, her aesthetic is bastardized from jfashion, ddlg and sexualizing children.

>> No.10259418

She gave her the fattest hands known to man. Fat baby hands. Why?

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>> No.10259421

It's truly an incredibly-written book, and ahead of its time.

>> No.10259464

friend, she's lg trash. the way she has coorded pieces is very costumey and fetishy. she's also been accused of sexual assault by one of her ex friends and I don't think she's addressed that. she's beyond suspect imo.

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Wish they had the blue bear ears

>> No.10259521

Thank you! The bust size is really small on the site, like 85cm...do you know if that's accurate or was it bigger? I usually fit in 90cm the best. Was the length alright or was it shorter than expected?

>> No.10259528

Iirc she went on a huge victim blaming spree when addressing the situation

>> No.10259530

Because Imai Kira loves that gross baby hand aesthetic. I don't get why people worship her art, it's very mediocre.

>> No.10259566

she said that timothy "never said no." super sketchy

>> No.10259569

you can get it custom sized but i honestly think it would be fine. it's like a baby doll dress actually so it's pretty roomy. the picture makes it look like it hugs you at the waist but it doesn't, really. it kinda hangs.

>> No.10259624

They do! The ears come in white, pink, and sax, but not mint.

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>> No.10259640

I’m not sure how I’m missing something but I don’t see info about the holy lantern rerelease on APs site, and the link up there didn’t work. Any directions? The wine curses has been a dream of mine personally

>> No.10259674

Is anyone going to tell Imai Kira?

>> No.10259675

Do people still believe the sexual assault thing? Timothy was really sketchy when asked to back up her story, and the witch hunt for Melanie that followed Timothy making the accusation was insane.
People were burning merchandise, sending her death threats, and encouraging others to do the same, all because some nobody with no evidence, no desire to press charges, and no credibility decided to claim that the ex-friend she was obsessed with (doing copycat and inspired looks on her ig) assaulted her. Nothing added up, it was fucked up man.
It's really bad that this accusation is still following her.

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Meanwhile ETC has pulled out the cutest accessory series to wear with your HCs.

>> No.10259701

Why would you wanna wear a hamburger necklace with HC?

>> No.10259702

This reminds me of that burgerlita meme from egl days.

>> No.10259704

Spotted the illiterate

>> No.10259713

Would be cute with the diner dress AP recently put out though.

>> No.10259718
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New Le Panier mook coming in November, pre-order is up on Amazon Japan & Misako posted this cover on Twitter.

Does anyone have interior scans from the previous issue, so I can get a feel for their editorial style?

>> No.10259728

I really regret not ordering the first le pannier. It was so cheap. Din't buy it for the same reason, I wanted to see scans first, and then forgot all about it. If anyone got scans, please share.

>> No.10259740

Apologies in advance for being an idiot, but how would I got about pre-ordering it? Do I need to use a SS?

>> No.10259747

>when asked to back up her story
what would you require someone to provide as "backup" when they were having a sleepover with their friend at the time, who went ahead and fingered them, without bothering to get clear consent. Should she have had video proof? Though unlikely, I feel a
>Hi Melanie
is an appropriate response. Also,
>defending Melanie Martinez on /cgl/

>> No.10259764

I always use cdjapan to order mooks/magazines.
There are other places to buy from but I've been using them since the early 2000's and stuck with them cause I like them.
I suppose you can also use an ss to buy from rakuten, some shops offer free domestic shipping but you'll still have to pay the ss's commission fee, might not work out the cheapest but could be worth it if you want to combine orders?

>> No.10259768

Oh god
At least we still have you monochrome

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>> No.10259783

You can just sign up for Amazon JP and it’ll ship anywhere. Don’t listen to retards telling you to go through someone else

>> No.10259803

Nobody scanned it. Maybe a Chinese lolita has but I don't have weibo. I've never seen any pics of it besides the preview ones posted by featured brands.

>> No.10259804

You can't sign up for Amazon jp in a lot of countries.

>> No.10259813

That’s why people use buying services to help with that.

>> No.10259843

I can't use the payment methods of Amazon JP

>> No.10259878

This might seem overly obvious enough that you've already tried it but have you considered buyee? Or even Tenso if you want a one on one forwarding?

>> No.10259881

You don’t have a debit or credit card? What the fuck?

>> No.10259900

How do you guys feel about Holy Rosary in red?

>> No.10259916

Seconding this

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Sorry, these are not scans but the brand catalog was Little Women themed.

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>> No.10259989

oof, such a pretty model for Meta.

Besides CD Japan, sometimes YesAsia also sell these magazines, and otaku.com too. You could also try Rakuten or use a SS. White Rabbit Express is expensive, but if you're going to buy japanese language books you should consider them.

>> No.10260019

You never been to a diner where they had burgers and pancakes?

>> No.10260028

They had a ketchup bottle necklace up on their website too, I was tempted.

>> No.10260031

Isn't that the thing, though? You can't prove either side, so why should I believe one side over the other? It's all allegations, nothing more. Going around believing all accusers with no shred of proof is retarded.

>> No.10260060

Kinokuniya's online store might have them as well. They do instore.

>> No.10260064

CDJapan does proxy buying too, if it is on Amazon and you can’y buy it yourself, they can for you. However Amazon JP is very foreigners friendly and easy to buy from.

>> No.10260276

Souffle Song carries one.

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>> No.10260283

I’m desperately trying to remember the name of a dress, or make sure I didn’t make it up in my mind

Didn’t AP release a printless black/white dress in velvet years ago? The design in my mind says Meta but I’m pretty sure it was AP because I was concerned about the size

Does anyone know which one I’m talking about or am I just straight up loco?

>> No.10260290

The description is pretty bad. They've made tons of black/white velvet dresses.

>> No.10260296

You might want to use lolibrary to find out if it was AP?

>> No.10260298

It’s not in there, it’s still pretty limited since they changed severs

I don’t know how else to describe it except that it’s striped (very thick stripes)

>> No.10260299

Samefag, realised now I had forgotten to write that it’s striped in my origins post. Soz

>> No.10260300

The only velvet striped dress I can think of is Ribbon Ornament, but they aren't very thick stripes at all...

>> No.10260303

It might be that one! Maybe my brain just remembered the parts with thinner stripes as fully white for some reason

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Can't believe a scalper got it...

>> No.10260373

It'll be funny if it just doesn't sell

>> No.10260378

That’s really not a bad price considering what it is + a collab with mana.

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>selling an 80€ lucky pack dress for over 100€ on the next day after buying said lucky pack

Holy shit I get that the cut doesn't suit everyone, but no need to scalp this hard

>> No.10260385

There's no kinokuniya in my country. Honestly the best places I've found to buy Japanese magazines are yesasia and madam chocolate, even though they mark up the price.

>> No.10260399

Weird cause this is like the regular price for the Dollfie Dreams that I buy.

>> No.10260411

already has like 7 bids

>> No.10260810

Anyone getting the Toy Doll Box MTO? I'm excited but also bummed we have to wait til July next year. I expected more people to talk about it, given the reservations at several stores were already at capacity in Japan on Friday.

>> No.10260813

Marionette girl? Although that one has obvious trump motifs that you'd probably have remembered

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is the bear's name friend doll or am I retarded?

>> No.10260831

Told you so and I bet there will be more to come. >>10243499

>> No.10260834


there's that aatp witch set

>> No.10260835


lmao this

>> No.10260839

They should have had some sort of measure and only let actual lolita/doll collectors enter

>> No.10260843

You guys are retarded and clearly have no idea as to how much those dolls usually go for. This is a normal price for them, let alone a Mana collab

>> No.10260901

It’s Shy Bear.

>> No.10260910

Second most popular after the sack OP, and probably more popular in the west than the sack OP.

>> No.10260912

Fantastic Dolly comes up in April, I guess all the upcoming MTOs are making a production queue. I wish AP did more of those, but it's quite possible they come like at the end of next year or even in 2021.

>> No.10260919

It sold out before my ss could get one.
Hopefully AP usa will have them??

>> No.10260928

I am! I got the sax jsk and the shy bear ears, sucks that it won’t be ready for nearly a whole year, but serves me right for passing up on the original release.

>> No.10260933

Yes I do, I have bjd's myself. That still doesn't make scalping a 31 people limited item ok.

>> No.10260939

>a reasonable price for what it is

Fuck off m8.

>> No.10260972

>a reasonable price
It's an auction. And specifically made for only 31 fans with an invitation from mana. At least try before you throw out bait.

>> No.10260990

If people are willing to bid way above the original price, it was a reasonable price. Nice try you jelly autist.

>> No.10261026

Those at the AP party today - any new prints??? Especially something Halloween?

>> No.10261081

>If people are willing to bid way above the original price
that's how an auction works.

>> No.10261123

The pricing element isn’t the issue, the seller bought an extremely limited item with the sole intention of selling it for profit. That’s what scalping is, just like with concert tickets. Unlike with clothing you can’t make the argument that they bought it but they didn’t like it/it didn’t fit, they look like oure opportunists here. Whether you think it’s just or not is a different matter, but call it what it is.

>> No.10261126 [DELETED] 

You just sound like a whiny pissbaby throwing a tantrum because someone else got the toy you wanted

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>> No.10261259

She told an interviewer that AP dresses are “adult baby costumes from Japan!”

>> No.10261261

Nobody cares, she looks like shit, sounds like shit, and is nothing more than shit.

>> No.10261265

Don't bother, they're just shitposting. It's the buzzword autist that always pops up when scalpers are being discussed.

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Egg necklace could go with that new Innocent World dress

>> No.10261285

already been posted

>> No.10261310

What buzzword? If anything, scalper is a buzzword now.

>> No.10261325

Autist is the buzzword

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So these are the third and forth people reselling it. that's 4/31

>> No.10261330

You really don’t belong here if you get upset at the word autist, autist

>> No.10261331

nayrt I don't think you have to be offended by it to see that it's a buzzword here.

>> No.10261334

This is great, watching people cry about it is top tier entertainment. Literally a bunch of grown ass adults crying over someone else getting the toy they wanted. Pay up or shut up.

>> No.10261337

looking at a grown ass adult waste their time making fun of others is just as tasty anon, keep it up

>> No.10261341

>no u

I’m sorry the other kids got the toy but it’s no excuse for you to have a meltdown

>> No.10261360

Exactly. I am offended by it though.

>> No.10261365

kek im not that anon, i have no need for a doll

>> No.10261367

Sentiment still stands. Bunch of busted grown women sperging over not getting a toy.

>> No.10261370

I don't want it, but even if I did, this would piss me off more than people who genuinely wanted it getting it and keeping it, even if it wasn't me. Damn resellers have no shame.

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They restocked these, pink is already sold out


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>> No.10261401

Please stop responding to her and just report. Bitch derails every thread she's in.

>> No.10261408

>thinking it’s all one person

I thought summer was supposed to be over

>> No.10261800

>Build a cohesive wardrobe they said
>Keep your colours collected

Well excuse me princess, but now I'm sitting here with 90% blue main pieces and feel like a colour coded comic figure!

I really like blue though. Should I keep it up, have it as my thing, or stop the cycle?

>> No.10261809

I bought all different colors and still have no single coord. Moitie fans have it made - they can have white, black, blue, or the three mixed and matched. I think that's the optimal method.

>> No.10261846

>Dress where mode feeling dright during classical.
Did I just have a stroke reading that?

>> No.10261850

That's advice people give when you are just starting so you have a common color and can build up accessories that can be used for multiple dresses when you are just getting into the fashion.

Now that you've done so and likely have accessories that fit the majority of your wardrobe, you can branch out, add colors, make coords more interesting.

>> No.10261884

If you're not bored of it keep buying blue pieces, but even adding in accent colours can take your coords to the next level. When I first started most of my wardrobe was black x white x blue and I found it so boring, my coords felt formulaic and basic and I just wasn't happy. I don't know how moitiefags do it honestly.

After I started adding a few red, pink and green pieces I felt like my whole wardrobe had suddenly opened up to all these new possibilities. Having blouses that are different colours and patterns especially goes a long way.

>> No.10261885

If only Moitie released more blouses in different sizes. Their bodices are extensively short.

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>> No.10261902


You misunderstood cohesiveness with single color scheme. Having a cohesive closet with blue would mean for example:

>2 blue main pieces, one with cream or white accents and the other with red.

> one white main piece with blue accent colors, one red main piece with blue accent colors

>multi color accessories with some gold tossed in.

> blue, white, cream, red, maybe black blouses. Red and blue cardigan.

Basically having a main color but working with multiple color schemes with it.

>> No.10262060

In my experience, things in different colours from the same brand go together better than things with the same colour from different brands

>> No.10262661

i see nobody has posted here since yesterday and that was me. the stupid questions thread is so much more active than the lolita general now. sad but people are afraid to even ask non-stupid or discussion questions here.

>> No.10262671

I also noticed the general has been dead lately and it makes me wonder if its because people prefer discord? Personally I dont really want to use it because I dislike the chatroom style for something like this hobby. It's also unsearchable and therefore ripe for repeats. Unfortunately it looks like that's the way the community is heading.

>> No.10262672

I posted in the stupid questions thread and was told my question is too stupid. Nowhere is safe.

>> No.10262676

A lot of communities have been swallowed by discord.
I don't like connecting the same account to the same things, so it bothers me.

>> No.10262678

i mostly agree with you but discord does have a search function. much like the archives here it just doesn't stop people from repeating the same stupid shit anyway.

>> No.10262689

I also dislike the not quite anonymity. I love posting here anonymously because I can ask dumb questions and also ask as many as I want, have a frank discussion, without being known as that X person that posts a lot. I don't post people here or like to talk trash but I will give an honest critique of a coord or item in a coord that I normally wouldn't when tied to an identity, even if its only an online name.

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discord is much easier to search and you can also pin important posts. it's too fast for me though.
>pic unrelated

and when you ask something that isn't stupid, nobody answers it

>> No.10262693

Oh my god I was completely innocent one google search ago

>> No.10262845

I don’t want to use discord, but this thread is no longer very interesting. People screech at you if you bring up a discussion point or post your thoughts or a (not stupid) question, saying it’s irrelevant to this thread. Which just leaves people posting new releases in this thread. I can find new releases by myself on basically any other platform so it’s quite dull here.

>> No.10262846

barely any talk about the 2 AP parties that happened recently, which is weird especially since it seems like AP showed some new prints? I wanted to see more photos/see the new dresses

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/cgl/ is a slow board. you newfriends who stuck around are only just seeing what this place is like when the dingdongs are back in school.

Halloween is coming up soon so hold your horses, it's going to get more interesting around here.
instead of complaining, though, why not post something interesting?

>> No.10262894

>and when you ask something that isn't stupid, nobody answers it
that's because most anons don't know what they're talking about.
This place isn't to actually discuss the hobby. It's to shitpost about it and fling opinions without consequence.

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can anyone recommend some indie brands or lolita seamstresses who release custom made coats? I'm a big bitch and I really want a nice white coat with great details for my sweet winter coords. pic related is only available in my least favorite color, and Maxicimam has so little detail in their plus size coats. Looking for things as close to brand level as possible. I'm craving the kind of coat that stands out like a main piece.

>> No.10262935

we had a thread dedicated to the AP party in Hamburg.

>> No.10262940

Fanplusfriend is kind of lame but they still do custom sizing. You can probably order some applique on taobao and tack it on yourself to make the coat less boring.

>> No.10262945

I'm not a newfag by any means but I still find it odd when lolita gen is on page 5 when I look through the catalog and it's sitting at like 190 replies. And almost every time I check, it's new release, then someone gets baited and then argument tires.

Then someone necros like a day later.

>> No.10262949

Halloween time is my least favorite time of year for this board because that’s when we’re at the peak of crossboarders demanding shit like “Give me a link to a goth loli outfit. Must be under $40” or “I want to cosplay (character). Give me a tutorial on how to make the cosplay.”

>> No.10262953

I also hate Halloween time because that's when the actual lolitas start treating lolita like a fucking halloween costume.

Also just wearing lolita in october is absolute shit. You could be wearing a casual coord and get 5 "nice costume"s or "what's your cosplay".

>> No.10262964

Halloween releases already happened. This is a slow board but the lolita general is slower than most other threads on this board nowadays.

>> No.10262976

The stuff I want to buy from wunderwelt is still being "checked" by zenmarket before I can purchase it. It's already the next day. Wtf is their problem? Are they always this slow? I've been trying different SS and all of them suck.

>> No.10262982

why in the world are you using an ss for WW

>> No.10262988

Not the original poster, but ive used SS in the past for WW to combine orders and save on shipping. Its pretty useful when its being delivered to Europe

>> No.10262995

Zenmarket is notoriously slow. Which time zone are you in? I’m a few hours ahead of Japan and they still can take over a day during business hours sometimes. FJ is pretty quick buying from stores in my experience, usually they buy my stuff within a few hours, though they are expensive (no one blouse should require a 40x50cm box ffs)

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A new winter print was leaked by an attendee of the german ap teaparty.

>> No.10263011


I wouldn't judge any of that, there's some shitposters trying to start an argument in the stupid questions thread as well, so it's getting bumped.

Whether it's Tyler or whoever brought in the influx of newbies, they've taken up shitposting like it's air. The last few generals only moved faster due to that kind of silly arguments that no real lolita even cares about, it's only interesting to the 11-year-old children using it to distract themselves from their schoolwork.

I hope that most of the actual lolitas are just lying low waiting for them to get bored and leave and haven't entirely abandoned cgl altogether.


I took that anon to mean it's time for Halloween coords to get posted, not for the releases to happen. There's usually a few times of the year when there's a spike in the number of coords posted -- Halloween, Christmas, and both ILDs.

Not gonna talk about whether the coords are costumey or not. CoF likes costumey coords even if it happens without Halloween.

>> No.10263015

>tank top summer lolita dress
>with or without a petite coat

almost feels passive aggressive

>> No.10263031

When will AP stop making these sup-par polyester dresses?

I want a sugar dream dome part 2 plz

>> No.10263042

To save on administration fees, taxes and shipping

>> No.10263043

If it takes a day to "check" items will it take them another day to buy them?

>> No.10263056

Tenso is better for WW imo, you don't need to wait for your SS to order it for you. You order and pay yourself, then send it to your Tenso address. So little chance for your stuff to sell out before they place the order for you. When it arrives you can pick the shipping method of your choice and even mark your package down. Their handling fee is by far the cheapest, ranging from free to 75 yen.

>> No.10263059

I used them once and never again (somehow managed to get stuck in customs which has never happened to me any other time because they marked my invoice wrong rip) but looking back in my history, it took them over 13 hours to 'check' and confirm. I paid straight away, they bought it less than an hour later but it was during business hours.

The annoying thing is that they don't actually send emails to tell you that they've bought the items, you have to keep checking your order status on their website. The next email notification you get is when the stuff gets to their warehouse. This was back in January this year though, so maybe they've improved but from the sounds of how long it takes them to "check" probably not.

It'd depend on what time you pay, and then if they miscalculate the shipping or anything they refund your 'wallet' and you have to add more funds before they go through with the purchase so that takes more time, especially if your time zone is far apart. If you complete your payments during their business hours they're not too bad, but otherwise they're not great.

>> No.10263063

Tenso requires you to be verified and I don’t trust them enough to post my actual passport copy.

>> No.10263064

It had already been more than 13 hours when I posted >>10262976

I will try them if zenmarket fails but it's illegal in my country to share your passport like that

>> No.10263065

Tenso never takes my docs for verifying since most my docs are not in English, so fuck em

>> No.10263072

Anyone tried worldshipping?

>> No.10263100

Fuck I'm looking for a coat exactly like that, but that stops at the waist. God damn, I'll never find it.

>> No.10263117
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>last night, at a university event, wearing sweet
>normie acquaintance asks what i'm wearing, i give him the default "japanese street fashion :)" answer, which he accepts and says cool
>slightly greasy girl in gamer merch close by me decides to elaborate on it for me
>"it's called law-lita fashion, and i know it may LOOK like something perverted and has ties to it BUTONLYINNAME and it doesn't have anything to do with /that other lolita/"
>i shake my head to her to get her to shut it and she just starts giggling
>acquaintance wasn't thinking that but now that she said it he definitely is


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>> No.10263137

AP posted previews of their new winter collection on their instagram. I’m on mobile right now, maybe someone else can post the pictures?

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This looks so cute, finally a return to form for AP but it’s with a damn Christmas print. Where was this cuteness for Halloween?!

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Honestly this is disappointing. I’ve been looking forward to see this and I like the character, but what about background? It’s not even taobao, it’s indie tier print where artist only makes border artwork and doesn’t bother about overall pattern.

>> No.10263149

Awww, I love this! I hope it come in red.

>> No.10263151

I really like the sleeves of the one RinRin is wearing. Too it doesn't match my wardrobe.

>> No.10263153

This is just screaming for candy cane striped socks. I'm really excited for this one!

>> No.10263160

That's probably a couture dress, judging by the length and fanciness. So if they release it, it's not really an every day wear thing.

>> No.10263162

Is this bear bag part of the collection, or it's from something else?

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>> No.10263168

Blackship>>>>>>Tenso anyway.

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>> No.10263173

Isn't that the Onix couture dress? They released it a long time ago and Holy Rosary is the normal mass-produced dress from it

>> No.10263178

The text at the bottom looks like empty space and looks pretty bad, wish it contrasted more

>> No.10263182

Maybe I'm just unlucky, but I've always found Zenmarket take like a day to "check" prices and then another day to buy them (particularly if you're in a GMT±3 hours zone, i.e. our night time is basically their working hours). Woe betide you if they make a mistake with pricing the first time around lol, I had to wait almost 4 days for that Kira Imai dress earlier this year and was terrified it'd sell out in the meantime.

Japonica is quickest in my experience. They often grab things within half an hour if I order during office hours (and occasionally outside of, which is bizarre.) I know people have mixed experiences with them tho, and I've heard all sorts of theories re: why they "favour" certain customers. I've made a couple of big orders but I don't order frequently, so idk

>> No.10263184

Different anon, but Blackship is better value for money imo when shipping to eu.

>> No.10263187

Just a small addition: Zenmarket lets you make bids on Y!J in real time, although they might need some time to approve auctions if seller has lower feedback. Wish I knew that thing before.

>> No.10263190

Cheaper service, cheaper options, more options, very nice support, fast with everything including verifications, take pictures for free, don't really have a limited storage period, let you modify invoices however they want, only the address matters so no mistakes with your name, handle fragile packages with more care.. I could go on and on, they are superior in every way.

>> No.10263205

They still require you to provide with docs and won't take anything that is not in English so fml I guess

>> No.10263211

>won't take anything that is not in English
But they do, I'm not english speaking either.

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Dear AatP: I'm not paying 28k yen plus customs for a mismatched pattern that could have been very easily matched.
It's a pity though, this looks like a cute and comfy OP otherwise.

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Behold - it looks like pattern matching was possible after all.
However the question which version they'd send you remains.

>> No.10263221

>that's when the actual lolitas start treating lolita like a fucking halloween costume
bruh, like, we can't have fun with themes and being OTT? I don't see how this makes you so salty. don't try to quell the goodtimes just because you can't take being an outsider among your local normies

>> No.10263223

okay the franken-britishbear piece looks amazing.
the center front seems like a BtSSB ripoff, but maybe because that style of striped ribbon is almost a signature on Baby's fancier releases. The colors overall on the prints look so faded. I definitely miss the more gaudy, bright sweet colors

>> No.10263228

well the older ones from the sweet cream house release in 2012/13 had brown bowties so looks like they may re-release these with the red bows!

>> No.10263229

This so much. I’ve been reading through old EGL entries the last few weeks and just last night I found an old entry from 2002 with girls exclaiming how excited they are to dress up in coords inspired by Mana and Kana, or just wear Lolita/V-kei in general because normies give you less of a hassle because it’s more acceptable to look weird in October.

Just an FYI, normies think you look weird weather our ita or well dresses

>> No.10263231

aww shit, this is really cute.

>> No.10263244

the issue is the only have pink on the site. guess I'll email them. just feels silly to spend money on a coat that I'll have to spend time modding to my preference. what else is there to do though?
not exact but how about this short coat, anon: https://item.fril.jp/614e3c173bb3ec58ee7425216a6a02e7

>> No.10263256

They released it last year with a red bowtie, if I remember correctly. Maybe the year before.

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Can dresses with gold or glitter be steamed?

>> No.10263308

like steam-cleaned or just steamed out for wrinkles?

I use a steamer on my milky planet just fine, glitter is unaffected.

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>> No.10263369

Ugh Tyler is pandering to TiF troons. They are just self hating women who need help, not "men that want to wear frilly stuff".
Transmen are women,and transwomen are men no matter how you look at it

>> No.10263373

Use the steamer on the opposite side (inner side) of the fabric. It's not consistent but sometimes moisture can turn the metallic areas green. Do a spot test if you want to be super careful, but any change in color might take several days to show up.

>> No.10263375

What the fuck? I've never heard of this, this is terrifying

>> No.10263377

It’s like they completely forgot that tomboys exist and they jumped straight to the trans label instead. Liking masculine/feminine things doesn’t somehow make you trans, the trans community seems to enforce gender stereotypes more than everyone else ironically.

Being trans doesn’t usually dictate your interests but I very rarely meet cis men, even gay cis men, who like to wear dresses or anything remotely girly, so it seems weird that an overwhelming amount of trans men are interested in dressing in feminine clothing. Seems like too much to be a coincidence.

>> No.10263382

Omg this is amazing. I'm going to have to force myself to not buy anything else this year so I can save for it.

>> No.10263383

The fact she spent several full minutes catering to "uwu I will never know your pain!" tho
Lor and Tyler are complete opposites of the characters they portray on youtube, at this point they should just switch roles. Being a salty cunt comes naturally to Lor and Tyler is a massive sjw crybaby.

>> No.10263389

I find Lor so much more tolerable for this reason. Tyler has this ruthless salty brandwhore persona but many of her videos are just US centric sjw pandering and history lessons no one asked for. She wants to be seen as both the 'lady of salt' and ~such a good ally uwu~ at the same time but it doesn't work. Her non LWLN content doesn't really work either since it's just her being oblivious to anything outside of her AP bubble.

Lor on the other hand definitely sugarcoats things way too much that she looks fake, but she seems to be more genuine recently. She admits she was wrong and gave bad advice in the past and some of her new content is pretty informative and well produced. I also find when she talks about social justice she she seems less fake/pandering than Tyler does. Maybe that's because she's actually gay though. Tyler just seems like she's overcompensating for being cishet/white/skinny at times.

>> No.10263394

Wow this is so bad. If you zoom in, everything is just pasted together and so flat. I'm all for border prints, but this is a mess.

>> No.10263399
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I'm really interested/excited about the prospect of a 3 day lolita convention and am seriously considering spending the 2k to fly over specifically for it. I don't know anything about the organisers though, and their Instagram has very low quality images for a group claiming to want to to put on a 3 day convention. It just doesn't look professional.

So Gulls, what's the tea about the people involved and the organisation? Is it just a group of lolitas dreaming big and it won't pan out at all in 6 months? Is it going to be the lolita dashcon or have I read it all very wrong?

>> No.10263400
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What does the text on the fairy mirage page say? I assume it's either some girlish nonsense or does it mention more about the release?

>> No.10263410

Isn’t Chlamydia-Chan from the Las Vegas comm?

>> No.10263414

Mostly fluff, but it does mention The Ritz Carlton Tokyo under the date
The print looks so fucking good

>> No.10263419

If AP fucks it up with some babydoll sack dress style it's going to be a very sad christmas indeed.

>> No.10263506
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is this person a scalper? I always see them posting new items on the daily and they're always old stuff too

>> No.10263508

Most of it is pretty cheap, I figured it was someone old leaving the fashion.

>> No.10263512

than why not just post everything in one go? seems weird

>> No.10263518

Thank you anon, you're very kind. Unfortunately I was just having a moan and my ideal coat is like that but brown. I like the cinched waist of the F&F coat, but I guess that's not really something that can be replicated easily on a short coat. Once again, thank you.

>> No.10263519


Way back in the days of egl comm sales I once spent about two weeks photographing a pile of things, factchecking, typing up descriptions, formatting and then finally listing about ~15 items for sale. Was kinda annoying to be honest. So I can see why someone would rather just photograph and list one or five items per week on lace market.

>> No.10263528

It's not even Halloween yet, stop this Christmas shit right now AP

>> No.10263536

Lol that's me. Definitely haven't been posting things on the daily and definitely not a scalper. Just trying to make room and be less of a hoarder. Taking photos and what not takes time and I'm doing it slowly for a number of reasons. Mostly that I'm not in a hurry and I am coming to terms with what I want to part with. I also hate shipping heaps of things at once as t takes forever and I worry about messing up the parcels.

>> No.10263630
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Another Snapshot of the red Holx Rosary Op

>> No.10263631

I believe the person organizing it is from the Seattle comm. I know nothing about this. I really wish they just figured out some more information about the event first. I don't understand what their insta posts and booth are supposed to be.

>> No.10263780
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What happened to Fanny's classic style? She is like a cartoon character of her former self. What's with the huge ass bow and clunky sweet red shoes?

>> No.10263782

maybe she realised how boring classic is

>> No.10263850
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she wore this recently. going to make a body pillow out of this

>> No.10263876

I like this, it looks like a vintage ad poster.

>> No.10263884

This. It's so much better and adds some colors


>> No.10263885

I miss Tyler just being salty and not cattering to the SJWs. It began with her boring black lolita history lesson and now she's sucking up to trannies (TiFs and TiMs alike). At least she shits on DDLG,ageplay and sissies

>> No.10263905

God, that one of her sperging about the Jane Marple dress that wasn’t even lolita made my eyes roll so far I could almost see the back of my skull. I had to unsubscribe she has become so boring so I haven’t seen her recent videos.

The only reason why gulls ever gave her the time of day was because she shat on DDLG and sissy cunts. Otherwise she is and always has been as sjw pandering as they come.

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>> No.10264210

>being realistic about biology is being a /pol/tard
try again, tranny chan,i'm a woman. A real one :)

>> No.10264270

New thread >>10263759

>> No.10265991

Tyler has said she was bi.

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