Unpopular Lolita and Cosplay Opinions

[Anonymous No.10199707]

You know the drill. Let your unpopular opinions and salt flow.

[Anonymous No.10199712]

I fucking hate cons banning "controversial" cosplays. Let people be the nazi inspired character. I don't even see any problem with dressing up in some nazi uniform itself and using swastikas.

[Anonymous No.10199719]

>>10199712
to me inspired outfits are fine but if they start acting that shit out that’s a big no from me..

[Anonymous No.10199723]

>>10199707
Lolitas waste $30 when they spend it on a burando fucking hairpin or an AP plastic glitter ring that looks like it came from a 50 cent prize machine. At least the glorified bobby pin is made of metal.

[Anonymous No.10199724]

I don't like tartan, especially when it's red and black. Reminds me too much of my country's dumpy local school uniforms.

[Anonymous No.10199730]

Plain, opaque tights are awesome.
The rest of my outfit is busy enough, I don’t need a print on my damn tights.
I mostly wear solid/floral dresses so I think it fits well.

[Anonymous No.10199734]

I'm that person who will chance going to a con with a controversial reputation.

I just think people get worked up over nothing and it's exhausting to keep up with whatever con is on someone's hate list. They always spam my social media with their essays and I have to pretend like I care.
As long as they run the show well and give me an anime con, the drama is never going to touch me as a wayward attendant.

[Anonymous No.10199742]

>>10199730
Same. I also get tons of compliments on how “put together” my coords always look. I think it’s because I don’t over do things, which plain tights help a lot with. Often, I’ll buy pairs that are knit so they have some texture, but that’s it.

[Anonymous No.10199748]

>>10199734
You can just say anime matsuri

[Anonymous No.10199752]

I wish I could be one of those efamous lolitas who has a well defined aesthetic. I never know what I like and I know efamers get a lot of shit but I can't help being jealous that finding one specific aesthetic and sticking to it has worked for them. Even now I feel like selling everything and starting again.

[Anonymous No.10199762]

>>10199748
I wasn't actually talking about AM and have never been, but AM certainly reminded me of my stance on things like that. I'm tired of hearing about AM in particular and how Texas thinks we all care about it when there's better cons and better con states in the US, too.

What I was referring to is there's a lot of lesser AM style cons scattered around the US that aren't nearly as terrible as people say. If the con is run properly and you enjoy it, it really doesn't matter what else is going on.

[Anonymous No.10199763]

My unpopular opinion is that it’s ok to have a general j-fashion containment comm that pretty much just lets everyone join and then a vetted private comm with only lolitas who have proven they can dress well.

[Anonymous No.10199767]

>>10199752
Just do a lot of research regarding your tastes and slowly replace things in your life as they break or stop being useful with something cute. They didn’t get there overnight.

[Anonymous No.10199768]

>>10199763
I don’t know why everyone insists on having everything be a “comm.” Just call it a friend group. It’s nbd if you click with lolitas that are more experienced and into the fashion than newbs and itas.

[Anonymous No.10199769]

>>10199734
It’s not just political move imo, but also the pleasure of attending a con is spoiled because everything reminds you of harassment.

[Anonymous No.10199776]

>>10199769
Some people just don’t give a shit or are convinced things won’t happen to them. I always felt uncomfortable when Vic was at a con (he was a frequent guest at most of the cons I went to), because I knew people he was a creep too. Nothing happened but it’s annoying as shit to be like “I’ve got a bare midriff, better avoid x area where he’s lurking just in case.”

[Anonymous No.10199779]

Most comms are shit.
Having your own friend group to hang out with is the best and ideal.
Don't want to fuck with randos that act like kids or don't know what their doing.

[Anonymous No.10199785]

>>10199776
Only PULL believes that shit anymore. It's pretty well proven Monica orchestrated all of that stuff.

[Anonymous No.10199795]

As a fatass, I am for body positivity...

BUT

I personally would never cosplay any character who didn't fit my body type, and I cringe when I see huge girls cosplaying someone who is skinny and scantily clad.

[Anonymous No.10199805]

>>10199785
>I know people he was a creep too
Keep telling yourself that, tho.

[Anonymous No.10199808]

>>10199795
this isn't unpopular at all

[Anonymous No.10199809]

>>10199779
Agreed. I go to like 2 meetups a year and then just hang out with the cool people I find on my own.

[Anonymous No.10199813]

A lot of the jfashion advice you get on here is pretty terrible and you are better off ignoring 75% of it.

[Anonymous No.10199819]

Fat “people” shouldn’t be allowed to buy brand. We should have a list that contains the names and usernames of all fats so they can’t buy second hand or directly from brands.

[Anonymous No.10199820]

>>10199808
It's apparently unpopular where I live; I see it all the time at conventions here.

[Anonymous No.10199824]

>>10199819
Good luck with that. You will pry my brand out of my fat, dead hands.

[Anonymous No.10199825]

>>10199820
you do realize this is 4chan, right?

[Anonymous No.10199828]

>>10199819
Alright, building on yours: people don’t own other people’s clothes. It’s your job to shop second hand responsibly, and if you are afraid of “fats” owning your brand first, make a list of skinny people you will buy from. Otherwise, buy first-hand brand yourself you stupid envious bitch

[Anonymous No.10199837]

>>10199824
Shouldn’t be too hard, just have to wait a few months before you die of a heart attack or your hand falls off from diabetes.

>>10199828
Why do you fats get so triggered when people voice that being fat is a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.10199847]

lolitas should be judged more on their interest and knowledge of the fashion rather than how well they dress or how many pieces they own.
I'm all for gate keeping, but the standards some people set in the lolita community is waaaaay too high. Some of you sound like the stereotypical neckbeard that say you aren't a true fan of a fandom unless you have watched every episode, special, and movie of the show with 500+ episodes.
Kick the normies and DDLGs out, not the people who don't know how to match colors or can't afford multiple brand pieces.

[Anonymous No.10199853]

>>10199723
Fucking yes. Who in their right mind would pay more than $1.50 for this? https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/ap-leopard-love-bangle-pink

[Anonymous No.10199856]

>>10199853
Me

[Anonymous No.10199857]

>>10199856
buy it now then

[Anonymous No.10199858]

>>10199819
Some of us have a disclaimer in our sales posts that we reserve the right to refuse any sale for personal reasons. This is actually one of my personal reasons, though I always make something up. You’re welcome.

[Anonymous No.10199860]

i think sweet lolita is ugly and reminds me of ddlg. my ex was into ddlg so now i'm triggered when i see any sweet lolita in super pastel pink and food prints.

[Anonymous No.10199865]

>>10199860
It kinda sounds like you let your ex ruin it for you

[Anonymous No.10199875]

>>10199847
Lolita is a worn fashion first and foremost so you need to wear the clothes well and have enough of them. Anyone can sit around on the internet and learn about x but that doesn’t translate well to RL at all. We have the same thing in the bjd hobby with these walking databases of doll knowledge learned on the net but no doll. It’s just backwards. With lolita, it’s a matter of practicality, so do the math. One meet a month, you don’t just wear the same coord or main piece every other time or even every 3rd time so really to be active in a comm properly IRL you need a certain amount in order to not be wearing the same thing like a costume or a uniform.

[Anonymous No.10199882]

>>10199865
i unfortunately let my ex ruin a lot of things for me. slowly trying to unlearn some of it, but just not there yet. i would never insult a sweet lolita though. i know it's my own problem.

[Anonymous No.10199883]

Black people look really good in sweet lolita. Dark skin allows the pastels to stand out really well, and their hair is perfect for putting big bows in. Of course they can still look ita or messy, but I’ve seen a lot of folks on here say paler skin ALWAYS looks better, and I couldn’t disagree more.

[Anonymous No.10199885]

>>10199779
This opinion is becoming more and more popular. I really wish comms were better but they just aren’t because everyone is too afraid of offending people so they just let anyone in.

[Anonymous No.10199888]

>>10199875
This. I bought into other jfashion before lolita for practicality reasons, so even though I had a deep knowledge and good coords, I had to slow roll meetups for a while due to lack of closet. There is a real reason why owning at least some variety of clothes is valuable.

[Anonymous No.10199894]

>>10199875
do you not see that as being a giant cost of entry for newbies though? Most people like to slowly get into a hobby, since there is the worry of spending hundreds of dollars, go to the first meet, realize its not for you, and then have just wasted all your money.

[Anonymous No.10199896]

>>10199894
No ones saying you can’t participate at all, just that you might not be invited to groups meant for more experienced lolitas

[Anonymous No.10199903]

>>10199896
This. What’s wrong with having a bigger group for any interested people to join and then a vetted group of people wearing the fashion well enough to start coming to meets? No one belongs at a lolita meet until they have a full coord.

>>10199888
Anyone who actually gets into it RL faces this right away, anon, we all did. That’s why I am guessing there are mostly lolitas at heart and larpers on the board here, if they don’t know this already.

[Anonymous No.10199907]

>>10199903
>>10199903
What the fuck are you talking about? I’m agreeing with them. I knew I would have to slow roll meetups at first. That’s... why I did?

Also, you replied to me twice, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10199908]

>>10199907
>>10199903
GOOD LORD. I am sorry. My sandy cunt did not read. I’m going to get coffee and log off.

[Anonymous No.10199911]

>>10199894
Go big or go home. One coord fully done is pretty much the entry level, anon. It a fashion-wearing hobby not a spectator sport or admirers club.

[Anonymous No.10199912]

>>10199908
Jesus nice job instantly winning my heart with this one reply.

[Anonymous No.10199913]

>>10199907
>>10199908
Lol, I think we are both just agreeing.

[Anonymous No.10199915]

>>10199853
Or this. The amount of secondhand capsule machine-ass rings over $20 on LM is crazy. What do they sell for new?

[Anonymous No.10199916]

>>10199779
Agreed. I don’t attend most meets because I hate forcing social interactions with people I have nothing in common with or don’t like. I work in customer service so I feel like I shouldn’t have to do this unless I’m getting paid. I just want to hang out with my friends but not have it be labeled a “secret meetup”

[Anonymous No.10199919]

>>10199913
We are. I’m sorry, my dude. I read “there are” as “you are” and my brain collapsed.

>>10199912
Call me

[Anonymous No.10199921]

>>10199894
The is why people write blog posts showing complete coords for under $100 sometimes, to help noobs. But honestly if you don’t have the money for a few lolita outfits, this fashion is probably not the best choice for you. If it is a real financial hardship to put together a single cord to try it, what will you do for meet 2, meet 3? Best to spend your money more wisely if it is that tight instead of on frivolous clothing.

[Anonymous No.10199922]

>>10199915
yea I buy almost all of my lolita second hand and I still don't have any brand jewelry because I'm not willing to spen 50 + for resin charms.

[Anonymous No.10199923]

>>10199915
About $20-25 if on sale (rare), $40ish normally. Look at the absolute trash resin jewelry people have on Etsy for that price, it's not bad

[Anonymous No.10199924]

I hate when people call Lolita a, "hobby." For me it is a fashion choice I wear, every day. Should I call wearing jeans and a t-shirt a hobby too? Just WTF.

[Anonymous No.10199927]

>>10199924
I call fashion in general a hobby because I do more than go to Target and buy a pair of jeans when I need it. Cooking can be a hobby even though most people make their own food.

[Anonymous No.10199930]

>>10199924
I don’t think calling it a hobby is an insult. From the beginning of the fashion, lifestylers have always been niche to lolita. Most Japanese women who started it didn’t wear it every day. For a lot of people, including those women, lolita is about extravagant princess-like escapism from the normie clothes society requires us to wear.

And hey, some people DO get into jeans as a hobby. Those raw denim guys can get real fucking weird about it.

[Anonymous No.10199954]

>>10199927
Most people dont make their own food anymore.
t. Millennial

[Anonymous No.10199956]

>>10199924
>Should I call wearing jeans and a t-shirt a hobby too?

Yea, specifically jeans is a hobby for some with designer jeans or specific type of jeans or whatever. It becomes a hobby when you go above the basic needs, like spending $20 on jeans vs spending $100+ on a pair of jeans, or like just driving a car between home and work vs driving around the country side for fun.

[Anonymous No.10199957]

>>10199924
For most people it IS a hobby, they do it as an occasional pastime on weekends for fun. For you it is different, for them it’s not. Big whoop.

[Anonymous No.10199959]

>>10199954
Most people do make their own food, you're just lazy.

[Anonymous No.10199960]

I don't mind if someone uses a bag which doesn't perfectly match their coord. We've all got to carry out shit.

[Anonymous No.10199961]

I find Kira Imai’s artwork and designs boring as shit.

[Anonymous No.10199963]

>>10199960
*our

[Anonymous No.10199965]

>>10199960
I don’t think most people mind. Might not look the best in photos but then you just don’t take the photo with the bag in hand, ez.

[Anonymous No.10199968]

>>10199959
Nayrt but I fear she is right. I cook and really enjoy it but very few of my friends cook at all. Yet when you suggest that eating out and buying everything prepared might be why someone doesn’t have extra money ’weh weh, thats modern life’.

[Anonymous No.10199970]

>>10199883
This
I don't know why but I find black/brown girls so much cuter in sweet lolita. You nailed the explanation as to why.

[Anonymous No.10199975]

>>10199968
Sounds like bullshit to me.
My roommates and I all make our own food. I’m not a master chef but i know how to feed myself. Eating out all the time or buying premade food sounds way too expensive.

[Anonymous No.10199977]

>>10199960
Mine is opposite. If you are in the fsxhion, buy a matching bag. If your style is coherent, its not that hard to get something that matches and then a couple more than can coordinate. Otherwise it ruins the look ss much as ballet flats.

>>10199965
We don't live our lives via internet photos. At least most of us dont. Hopefully.

[Anonymous No.10199978]

>>10199968
it's just your age, most people cook.

[Anonymous No.10199980]

There is nothing wrong with shopping exclusively second hand. I personally don't buy clothes (normie or j-fash) from any place that's not second hand because I'm morally against it. I understand supporting a good brand is important, but shaming someone for not doing so is stupid.

[Anonymous No.10199981]

>>10199847
found the lolita at heart

[Anonymous No.10199983]

>>10199975
It is, but you'll see miss millennial with her Starbucks every day then suddenly whining because she can't afford to get her car fixed. It's a bit nuts but I see it happen. A very shortsighted and ’treat yo’self’ mentality.

[Anonymous No.10199985]

>>10199959
NAYRT but i'm the only one of my friends who actually cooks and i work in a kitchen, and most of the cooks nowadays don't even want to cook and don't actually care.

[Anonymous No.10199989]

>>10199977
Agreed. Actually I am more understanding of cute ballet flats than a rando bag, as flats are thin and may have been slipped into a bag to switch into in the event of your feet dying. There’s really no reason not to buy a halfway decent purse, especially since you can carry it outside lolita.

[Anonymous No.10199990]

>>10199980
By the same token no one wants to hear second hand sally popping off about what brands should and should not do because she doesn't support them directly anyway. Usually no one minds your stance, only when you can't shut up about it and feel the need to share and spread your morals and views a bit too much. Then yes, you will probably hear ’you don't even buy from brands ’.

[Anonymous No.10199992]

>>10199983
I also think millennials misjudge what “cooking” means. Making a box of pasta or toast is cooking. You don’t have to make a fancy ~meal~ for yourself.

[Anonymous No.10199998]

Unpopular opinion. Most lolita shoes aren't really that uncomfy, especially the lower heels and flats. Why are everyone feet so fucked?

[Anonymous No.10200000]

>>10199924
Fashion itself is a hobby, though. Of course some person who hops over to Wal-Mart and picks up a shirt and jeans doesn't do it as a "hobby", but when you're putting thought, effort, detail, research and hard work into your outfit, it's definitely a hobby. You have to collect knowledge on it, spend a sizable amount of time figuring out what makes a good coord, even for everyday activities, etc.
I think it's definitely a hobby. Anything you put work into that brings you joy counts as one.

[Anonymous No.10200003]

>>10199998
Because lolita flats are ugly as fuck so I wear heels. Also, I rarely have issues with any of my shoes, just a select few that I wear cautiously.

[Anonymous No.10200006]

>>10199990
I agree with you. It would be hypocritical of me to think I deserve a say as I'm not a direct customer. I am against elitism, not people who support brands. I also feel like lolita is better in some respects as they utilize less harmful manufacturing practices than say, H&M or Forever 21.

[Anonymous No.10200007]

>>10199723
This. The one time I ordered one the actual ring part broke off the exact second I picked it up for the first time.

[Anonymous No.10200011]

>>10199983
Who tf is miss millennial.
Did this board suddenly get inundated with 50 year olds?
I’m almost thirty and I’m right in the middle of the millennial generation, and perfectly capable of getting by financially on my own. Most of my friends around my age are in the same boat I am. The only person I know who drinks Starbucks every day and complains about car payments is my old boss- a fifty something single mother with an exclusively overpriced athleisure wardrobe.
Drop the generational bias, it’s not kawaii.

[Anonymous No.10200013]

>>10200006
Lolita is far better ethically. It’s impractical to assume that new clothing will never get produced. Its a non-durable good. However, buying fewer, quality clothing items that will last and that you really love is better than buying disposable tee shirts. Plus lolita at least teaches you vaguely what clothing should cost.

[Anonymous No.10200016]

>>10200013
I wouldn't be against buying from a direct brand in the future when my income is more stable, that's for sure. I can't say the same about any normie fashion.

[Anonymous No.10200020]

>>10199767
I've been in and wearing the fashion for roughly 7 years. It's always been like this for me unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.10200023]

I don't think those old school girls are actually edgy, or bad people. I think people have made a lot of untrue assumptions and made those girls out to be mean, attention seeking prats and I am not entirely sure why. Im not friends with any of them, but from the minimal interactions I've had and from watching everything unfold on here, it just seems like they're misunderstood kids trying to be fit in with people like them

[Anonymous No.10200035]

>>10199779
My comm is shit. either they're 15 or 40. People stop showing up after one or two meets, except this one woman who insists on bringing her baby. Ugh. I wish I had lolita friends.

[Anonymous No.10200036]

>>10200020
I know your pain. I've decided to fully commit to gothic. It really takes a lot of self control to not buy some random thing that doesn't match anything i own.

[Anonymous No.10200039]

>>10199983
Can you keep the "complaining about an entire generation as though they're a monolith" to your facebook please?

[Anonymous No.10200043]

I would like a comm with no men where everyone wears an actual lolita coord. Sadly this is an unpopular thing because few seem to exist.

[Anonymous No.10200045]

>>10200020
That’s why you have to start now. I suspect you’ve bought things over the last 7 years. Imagine if all of them fit your aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.10200051]

Putting on a random swimsuit or lingerie with a wig is low-effort cosplay and it's nice that it can make you money, but it shouldn't protect your cosplay from being called a lazy piece of shit or pandering to the lowest rungs.

[Anonymous No.10200125]

People should only cosplay characters they physically resemble, if you don’t match the character, don’t do it.

[Anonymous No.10200133]

>>10199980
You're morally against what exactly? Someone had to make those clothes at some point. Do you mean you're against how clothing is currently consumed?

[Anonymous No.10200145]

I think a lot of girls in lolita have shopping and consumption problems. Not full blown addictions but spending money on lolita that they can't really afford to or that could better be spent in other areas of their lives. No savings, no emergency fund etc.

[Anonymous No.10200190]

>>10199998
You must be accustomed to cheapass shoes, because that's exactly what lolita shoes are. Drop money on a real nice pair of shoes made for comfort in mind sometime and you'll feel a total difference.

[Anonymous No.10200234]

>>10200190
AYRT and my everyday shoes are usually mid to better quality leather usually with leather soles. I get it that lolita shoes are not the best in quality but most are certainly a comfy width with high toe boxes, mine dont slip, pinch or rub me anywhere and I dont have trouble wearing any of mine all day? Most lolitas seem pretty young to have messed up feet or need special types of comfort shoes?

[Anonymous No.10200256]

Sweet lolita isn't bad because it's pastel or cutesy. It's bad because it's the only thing most people talk about and wear, especially AP.

[Anonymous No.10200269]

>>10200256
I don’t think this opinion is so unpopular to be honest and I'm sure people who wear toned down Classic especially are so sick of the Sweet hype.

We get it sugar bears, Sweet is kawaii. Most of us think it is too. But there are lots of other aspects of the fashion besides the sweet kawaii aesthetic and so many other interesting brands in addition to AP!

[Anonymous No.10200275]

I don’t like bears/teddy bears and there are too many of them in prints.

[Anonymous No.10200292]

>>10199858
What are the kinds of excuses you make, if you don't mind me asking? Are you ever afraid of getting bad reviews?

[Anonymous No.10200314]

>>10199853
I would if it actually matched anything I own. I've spent more on accessories in the past when they matched.

[Anonymous No.10200316]

>>10199808
Nah some people are legit delusional about what they look like. A girl I know is fat and below average but she thinks she looks like Saber despite being at least 2-3x fatter.

[Anonymous No.10200318]

>>10200292
Everyone that gets one of these excuses will now be paranoid but it can’t be helped. You have to use something that is very commonly believable to get any unwanted buyer to go away. Unless it’s their dream dress, they really aren’t that persistent if you kind of stonewall them a bit. Lace Market malfunctions often enough that sometimes just keeping their messages unread and claiming you never got them is enough.

But say you goof and open their message, or don’t know they are fat yet.
Most of the time they will ask for ‘the measurements’ even when they are in the listing so that’s your clue. Be very vague about any ‘max stretch’ kinds of questions and re-quote the listed brand measurements, saying that you go by the official measurements . If they ask again tell them you’re ‘not sure, but it doesn’t seem to stretch much, trust the official measurement’. Be slow with all replies. Tell them someone is in line before them, list your items at a higher price, negotiable, and just don't really negotiate with them, just other buyers. Relist it if you need to, If they ask again tell them you forgot to contact them, silly you! Tell them shipping might be delayed, you are going out of town, or tell them there is a made up flaw. You can prove there’s not with a photo to another buyer, saying oops, you forgot, the flaw was on a different dress, see this one is fine. No layaway, no holds of course, quote high shipping and add a handling fee. Really just anything enough to put them off of the listing But nothing concrete enough to formally complain about. They can’t give you a bad review on a sale that doesn’t happen. Worst case scenario, end the listing early or pull, hold, relist later. They will absolutely think you are a stuck up bitch of a seller though so you have to just accept that. Sometimes they write a secret, or bitch on here, just ignore it.
/blogpost

[Anonymous No.10200319]

I like short skirts.

>>10200275
I'm actually cool with bear motifs because they tend to have more toned-down color palettes than the bunnies and kittens.

[Anonymous No.10200320]

>>10199707
If you say the n word at comm, it's wrong even if you are Mexican.

It is wrong to ban girls from comm because they are overweight and/or have pubes. Some of the best lolits I know have pube.

Homestuck after 2012 = Retrad.

[Anonymous No.10200326]

>>10199916
i feel like i don't often have things in common with other lolitas and i don't really know why. i don't even feel like i have niche interests, and i work in corporate consulting and have no problem interacting with people. it's just really hard to connect with my comm for some reason. i have a few jfashion friends but they don't really attend meetups. most of the time i'm cool being a lonelita but other times i see meetup shots from my local comm and feel a little bit of envy.

[Anonymous No.10200328]

>>10199954
I'm a millennial and I cook my own food because I'm on a diet and its easier.
Don't forget about all those food boxes that exist now where they send you all the ingredients and then you just cook it yourself like blue apron.

>>10199959
I think it's a good half n half. I make my own food often but my bf is my age and doesn't make his own food regularly. I know lots of people that cook and that don't.

[Anonymous No.10200329]

>>10199894
>go to the first meet, realize its not for you

if the first meet is the deciding factor that it's not for you, and not putting together your first coord or getting your first piece, then my assumption is that newbie was in it for the wrong reasons. if you don't love the fashion for what it is, and can't participate in it intrinsically, then why waste the money and effort? join a D&D group if you want a hobby based around socialization.

[Anonymous No.10200335]

>>10200320
h-how would you know if they have pubes

[Anonymous No.10200338]

>>10199977
What about needing a bigger bag?
The only reason I don't always have a matching bag is because most lolita-esque bags are usually tiny as fuck and I need to carry more than my phone and wallet.

I don't include mismatched bags in photos tho.

[Anonymous No.10200342]

>>10200318
If you’re real I’m shocked you haven’t gotten hit with bad feedback. I’ve hit sellers with bad feedback for forgetting to send me a ribbon. If you did this shit to me, regardless of the reason, I would eviscerate you.

[Anonymous No.10200345]

>>10200320
I see you too have failed the butthole inspection.

[Anonymous No.10200347]

>>10200338
I have a truckasaurus sized liz lisa bag that can hold a laptop. Anything other than a mini bag will hold a decent sized amount. Milk heat bags are HUGE. If you are on a budget, a brand tote + a small bag works

[Anonymous No.10200352]

>>10199968
>>10199975
what about freezer meals? they are very easy and while they're not as cheap as making things in bulk, it's pretty easy to buy them for $2-3 per serving, even single serving freezer meals. i don't cook most days but these are an easy way to eat a good variety of things, still eat on the cheap compared to eating out, and they make it easy to track calories. plus there are lots of options these days which are actually good, whereas 10-15yrs ago a lot of freezer meals were pretty shit

[Anonymous No.10200358]

obviously i think the price of taobao pieces contributes to its popularity, but i think that brands would be doing better and taobao wouldn't be doing quite as well if brands had tapped into one segment of the market: people who like novelty prints. i don't just mean shitty meme prints, but a more adventurous foray into print options overall outside of yet another dessert themed print

not sure if truly unpopular but most people seem to hone in on taobao dinging brands because "it's cheap" but i don't think that's the whole story. meta has never been afraid of a weird ass novelty print and you don't see them treading water like many brands are

[Anonymous No.10200364]

>>10200358
Brands, at least not all of them, aren’t doing poorly. AP and Baby are making bank according to recent interviews. I don’t think you’re entirely off, though, as one of the notable differences between them and say MM beyond style is that their releases are more varied. They do rerelease things, but less frequently, and do chase trends a fair amount.

[Anonymous No.10200365]

Unpopular to say here of all places, but I'm so glad the CoF threads have seemed to completely die off for the time being. It's a nice break from the screeching and vendettas and negative ass anons who are trying to get clout by being the ~saltiest~ person on cgl.

[Anonymous No.10200372]

>>10200352
freezer meals aren't that healthy compared to what you could make fresh, plus it's easy to track calories with any food. get a food scale.

[Anonymous No.10200377]

>>10200338
What >>10200347 said or really just cut down what you take to a meet. Clean out your bag and eliminate.
Tiny card case with ID, cc, money, your phone, mini makeup touch up stuff, mini lash glue and bobby pins, small comb, lens kit. What else? All that fits into a Baby heart bag.

[Anonymous No.10200381]

>>10200342
If I've already decided to never sell anything to you, where do you imagine you'll ever get to leave me any feedback? Some of us do not sell to certain people, we just don’t. Get over it.

[Anonymous No.10200382]

>>10199961
I think it's cute but you're absolutely right. She mostly draws the same thing over and over again.
I wish there were more artists that drew lolita shit.

[Anonymous No.10200390]

>>10199779
This can go for any community imo.
Itabaggging has a lot of nutters/underagers that don't understand the point of the bags and make ugly ones.
I know it's mean to exclude folks sometimes but wow I really don't want to be around that or associated with it.

[Anonymous No.10200392]

>>10200342
Settle down fatty

[Anonymous No.10200397]

>>10199847
Oh noes I can’t be a lolita without a coord? KYS

[Anonymous No.10200400]

>>10200365
I stopped browsing lolita threads for this reason. Everyone is trying so hard to fit in with the cgl meanies that their way-too-serious, smug bait-taking asses become the majority of gulls and it’s embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.10200403]

>>10200365
Anon it's really easy not to open that thread at all. Have some self control. CoF is really boring, the best coords are only posted on Instagram anyway. Most of us don’t even bother to post on CoF anymore. Not since last summer I think. We only use FB for release update groups and local comms. It's dead.

[Anonymous No.10200410]

>>10200381
Huh, solid point. I’d just post your name in the general then I guess? If you’re giving people that hard a time then it’s worth it.

[Anonymous No.10200411]

>>10200392
I’m not a fatty, so I may have even bought from anon. I’m just surprised no one has thrown a shit fit over someone being this unresponsive and “forgetful.” I’m mostly calling bullshit.

[Anonymous No.10200420]

>>10200410
And what would you say? Any of these reasons I give you can be a valid one and you just make yourself look like a pushy asshole if you press the point as a buyer. Sellers set the pace if they aren't desperate to sell. Unless you have given them money, no one will take your complaints against any seller seriously. Before money is exchanged? There's no transaction. No one cares.

[Anonymous No.10200424]

>>10200420
I’m honestly curious (and frankly doubtful) Is this on LM? Because there are two ways to buy: buy it now, and auction. Do you just reject their purchase? That’s what I would complain about. If I won an auction or bought at a buy it now price and you have me the runaround, I would assume you are a scammer. This isn’t livejournal anymore, it’s not open negotiation.

[Anonymous No.10200432]

>>10200424
You haven't bought that much on LM in PM by private negotiation then. That's where the haggling and offers happen. Until I give you my PayPal, and we agree to terms, shipping, I give a total etc, what exactly are you going to do? . If you win my auction or pay my bin price without PMing me about your shipping, I could charge you anything and who risks that? No one. So you need to PM me and that's when I look you up and decide if I'm going to sell to you.

[Anonymous No.10200435]

>>10200432
When I win an auction or bin, since the system says I won, I can leave poor feedback. I’ve been actually scammed and thus ghosted, so I know this works. Again, calling bullshit.

[Anonymous No.10200439]

>>10200432
Nayrt but... What kind of insane freak looks up and basically stalks people before selling to them? The only time this would be acceptable is if you don't want to sell to a KNOWN scalper, but to just refuse a sale to those you deem "unworthy" is frankly psychotic and retarded. I bet you're an absolute joy to be around.

[Anonymous No.10200440]

>>10200439
Their probably lying. That or they did this once and think they’re some mastermind.

[Anonymous No.10200442]

cgl needs therapy

[Anonymous No.10200443]

>>10200442
>tfw been saying this for a while but people just blame it on "projection"

like ok

[Anonymous No.10200445]

>>10200381
If someone wins a listing, surely they can just report you for being a deadbeat seller? I don't want to sell to fatties either but I don't think terms of sale would protect you.

>>10200410
You'd have to be a schizochan to assume that any excuse or poor communication is someone not selling because you're fat.

[Anonymous No.10200446]

>>10200424
>>10200443
It is projection. Not everyone here is the same person, and you must have some deep seated fear of needing therapy that you’re telling everyone else they need it.

[Anonymous No.10200455]

>>10200446
You misfired, unless you think me doubting deadbeat-chan means I think they need therapy (I mean, they probably do, but that’s not what I was saying)

[Anonymous No.10200471]

>>10200446
No one thinks everyone here is the same person, but a lot of people on this board genuinely need help.

[Anonymous No.10200474]

>>10200435
You won't bid or bin without contacting the seller about shipping if they say ‘contact seller for quote’ do you? That's pretty risky, they can charge you anything. So you need to PM first always on those terms.

>>10200439
I have to check anyway to make sure they aren’t a scalper or flipper so why not go the extra mile and only sell my items to what I think is a good home? I’m not ever ‘urgently selling’ things, so no hurry.

[Anonymous No.10200501]

>>10200329
>if the first meet is the deciding factor that it's not for you
It was the deciding factor for me. I didn't buy any pieces for years because I was worried no one would accept me. I don't want to spend money on a hobby that I can't talk to anyone about.
I went to my first meet at a public venue and expected just 3 or 4 people would show up and they all be ratty like the /cgl/ lolitas. I expected I'l stay for just a few minutes to talk with them and then leave and give up on lolita. But over a dozen people showed up and they were all so nice to me and supportive. I stayed with them during the whole meet and started spending a lot more money on the fashion.

[Anonymous No.10200504]

>>10200474
I don’t but I also don’t worry about money any more thanks to a medical malpractice lawsuit I won. The most I’ve ever paid for shipping without contacting the seller was $30 from the EU anyway.

[Anonymous No.10200507]

>>10199723
plastic brand jewelry breaks so easily and once its broken it's over. I had a plastic BTSSB headband with a bow, it fell off my head when I was trying to adjust it, and it broke in two. No attempts to glue it back together or fix it worked. Huge waste of money.

[Anonymous No.10200508]

>>10200471
for what? bad clothing opinions? being trolls? the only people i actually think need therapy are the relationship-problem-chans and the ED-recovery chans. everyone else is just talking about clothing or being a dumb argumentative teenager

[Anonymous No.10200514]

>>10199858
based

[Anonymous No.10200518]

>>10200508
Not them but what do soooo many people here gain from arguing endlessly about shit that doesn’t matter? Take the fighting over the noob first coord in the ita thread, or the fighting over whether the girl had “potential” or not in the last one for recent examples. Gulls will keep pointless arguing for the sake of arguing for the majority of a thread. It’s obsessive and mentally troubled.

[Anonymous No.10200521]

>>10200518
If you really don’t understand shitposting I’m not sure why you’re here. At least 80% of this entire fucking website is shitposting

[Anonymous No.10200522]

>>10200518
Thank you for saying this, anon. I thought I was the only one.

[Anonymous No.10200527]

>>10200508
Lmao have you ever met another gull IRL?

>>10200518
this

[Anonymous No.10200528]

>>10200521
Even if that were true, what do you gain from shitposting that much? It harms your life more than benefits it.

[Anonymous No.10200530]

>>10200518
People shitpost over pointless things for a variety of reasons, to blow off steam, to vent aggression about other things that are bothering them, boredom, distraction, drunk posting, loneliness. It’s rarely over acute concern about the topic at hand.

[Anonymous No.10200531]

>>10200528
Only if you take it to heart. You sound like you’re way too sensitive if you can’t understand not being personally impacted by a few Shitposts. And honestly, anyone who’s been on this site for more than a few months knows it’s mostly shitposting.

[Anonymous No.10200532]

>>10200530
Yeah, they could do something productive to sate any of those feelings. Instead they’re interacting with people they don’t know in a negative way.

[Anonymous No.10200535]

>>10200403
Did you even read my post. I said I'm glad it's dead.

[Anonymous No.10200538]

>>10200532
This is really not the website for you if you are offended by/upset by someone doing that. This entire websites culture is built around being dicks anonymously to other anonymous posters

[Anonymous No.10200547]

>>10200518
the anons obsessed with hating the noob coord and hating the teen girl are just probably RPing teens themselves

[Anonymous No.10200548]

>>10200538
I’ve been here for years but recently started browsing other boards because of how retarded things have gotten here. Nowhere else do people argue about such stupid like “that person halfway across the world from me will look bad” “no they wont” “yes they will”
“her shoes are ugly” “no they aren’t” “are you blind? Yes they are” “you have no taste”
“Samefag” “nope check this screencap” “yeah right you edited that” “nayrt but it’s not unbelievable that they would samefag”

but this itself is stupid arguingd and taking time I won’t get back. So I’ll go back to drawing.

[Anonymous No.10200552]

>>10200535
Yes, I did but since it’s actually been caught up this afternoon and is going strong again, I guess you just had not noticed? Did you really think it would stay dead here? Nothing ever rests in peace here.

[Anonymous No.10200554]

>>10200548
teens have vendettas and post them then get mad at anyone who disagrees, it's nothing new. it doesn't mean every shithead teen "needs therapy", you sound like you're projecting

[Anonymous No.10200556]

I actually really like being nice to anons

[Anonymous No.10200558]

>>10200548
I really doubt you’ve been here for that long. I see people on other boards argue like that all the time. Particularly

>“Samefag” “nope check this screencap” “yeah right you edited that” “nayrt but it’s not unbelievable that they would samefag”

That’s common on pretty much every board verbatim. Every other board I’ve frequented is capable of the same thing. Spend a few hours on somewhere like /vp/ and you’ll notice the same quick to derail petty bullshit arguing

[Anonymous No.10200559]

>>10200548
>Nowhere else do people argue about such stupid

every single board on this site has shitposting and constant pissbabby slapfests that derail, newfag

[Anonymous No.10200570]

>>10199983
i've never met a single person whose a poor millennial who simultaneously gets starbucks every single day. the only people who i know who eat it daily either work there or have money and don't need to worry about not being able to afford car repair

[Anonymous No.10200571]

>>10200548
>anons just makes projection or newfag accusations
Pottery. No board is free from this stuff but cgl has an abnormally high percentage of it, especially for a small board.

[Anonymous No.10200586]

>>10200528
Shitposting on 4chan actually made me more confident irl if you can believe that.
Tho for reference social interaction used to make me actually vomit, but yeah getting in pointless online conversations with no irl repercussions for being completely honest or lying out your ass actually puts a lot of normal interactions into perspective. At least when you’re a young suicidal NEET in any case.

[Anonymous No.10200719]

>>10199712
t. Negev chan

[Anonymous No.10200744]

>>10200556
Fucking based

[Anonymous No.10200759]

>>10200570
I used it as an example because I have literally talked to someone who had posted their sugar bomb special Starbucks drink the day before they were shitting their pants that their car blew up and they had no savings to repair it. I often see people crying about how they have no money for basic adulting expenses or emergencies, no money for school or huge school debt yet they eat out, buy figures, make cosplay, travel to cons and buy lolita stuff. It’s just kind of backwards.

[Anonymous No.10200774]

>>10200556
I love you <3

[Anonymous No.10200803]

>>10200759
I can’t believe millennials invented prodigality.

[Anonymous No.10200815]

>>10200803
People should not be stereotyping by generation.
I don’t have anything at all against lavish spending as long as someone is spending their extra money, not bleeding from their budget. The latter just makes conversation awkward regardless of who is doing it.

[Anonymous No.10200820]

>>10199768
>Just call it a friend group
It's not a friend group though. It's a way to meet new people and potentially make friends, yes, but typically you just aren't friends with every single person in your community.

[Anonymous No.10200821]

>>10200820
This post was referring to sub-groups of lolitas that dress well, not an entire comm

[Anonymous No.10200823]

>>10199730
>>10199742
yes.

[Anonymous No.10200824]

>>10200342
>>10200445
>>10200435
>I don't think terms of sale would protect you.
They would and they did. If someone leaves negative feedback, the seller can ask the mods to delete it.

t. someone who doesn't sell to fatties, trannies and scalpers due to "personal reasons"

>>10199847
Wear it or go away.

>>10200365
Just don't visit them if you don't like them. They don't have to die off in order for you to do that.

>>10200518
>ita threads and cof are all of cgl
>taking shitposting serious
Kys and/or leave. Maybe even visit some other boards for once. Of course people are going to argue here, this is a place for discussion and due to being anonymous one can say how they feel without having to care about sounding polite. It's your job to ignore it or not engage with it.

>>10200548
>recently started browsing other boards
>recently
Maybe you should visit them more than once. How about you start with /ic/ and come here again after a week?

[Anonymous No.10200834]

>>10200824
Imagine taking lolita this seriously kek

[Anonymous No.10200852]

>>10200000
i like your post number

[Anonymous No.10200920]

>>10200256
Imagine the comm without hype that comes from people wearing sweet and AP. Are there enough of people wearing gothic or classic to make community look alive enough so it’s fun for newcomers want to stay around?

[Anonymous No.10200931]

>>10200824
What other boards do you browse? Gulls just always assume people are lying or newfags if they don’t like what they say, trying to fit in with the real 4chan meanies. Most autistic behavior.

[Anonymous No.10200937]

People saying they slacked on their coords cause "It's hooooooooot" I wear blouses, 2 petticoats, and OTKS in 108 degree weather, cry me a fucking river

[Anonymous No.10200938]

>>10200937
Not an unpopular opinion

[Anonymous No.10200939]

>>10200931
Nayrt but /co/ and /tg/ will throw a shitfit if you don’t agree with the hivemind and /toy/ gets bizarrely aggressive about toys. If you’re a crossboarder, you only think we’re weird because you don’t know what we’re talking about. Its the same anywhere else

[Anonymous No.10200941]

>>10200920
The sweet APChans of my comm are the biggest attractors of the uwu cawaii con people and new itas. No thanks. I get it that super sweet is colorful and popular and eyecatching but it also has less lifespan and a younger user base when I’d prefer any comm more balanced across all the sub styles and all ages. I thought the same 5 years ago too so I’m not just ageing out of it, as many people even slightly critical of super-sweet are dismissed as. I wouldn’t be heavy for goth goth goth either, we need balance.

[Anonymous No.10200943]

>>10200937
unpopular opinion: dressing for the weather isn’t slacking and if you can’t manage to look good given weather constraints you’re just too bad at lolita

[Anonymous No.10200944]

>>10200554
Not, teens don't generally have vendettas, i didn't. Vendettas spring from insecurity and jealously. A good reason to go to therapy or reflect on yourself.

[Anonymous No.10200945]

>>10200937
That just makes you look dumb. Why don't you at least try wearing ankle socks? Going without a blouse isn't the worst if it's hot as hell and you go for a country look.

[Anonymous No.10200946]

>>10200937
Poorchans are the main people who do this, they don’t have a seasonal wardrobe, lighter blouses, cage petti, lighter fabric main pieces for summer make it bearable. Same people you’ll see in a normie coat or shivering with none in the snow.

[Anonymous No.10200972]

>>10200931
>What other boards do you browse?
/jp/, /a/, /an/, /x/, /wsg/, /qa/, /tv/, /t/, /ic/, /asp/ and occasionally /fit/. You'll find the kind of behavior op quoted on literally any of these board except for /x/ because it's invaded by actual schizos and religionfags. Yes, even on the fucking torrent board.

>Gulls just always assume people are lying or newfags if they don’t like what they say
If the person behaves like a newfag and displays their knowledge like a newfag, they get called a newfag. Like on every other board. And I'd argue there are more newfags/people who are unfamiliar with chan-culture on here than on most other boards. But I do agree there is an ever increasing amount of false accusations most of the time made by people who are new themselves and don't understand when to use that term properly yet. However they aren't all of cgl, like people who love to shit on this board and generalize the smallest kind of negative behaviour as "gulls" make it out to be.

[Anonymous No.10200975]

>>10200945
I always bump into tables and doors and shit so i almost always have bruises on my legs, I'm selfconcious about it, not saying they have to do long socks but if I can do long socks they can at least wear any damn socks at all.

[Anonymous No.10200977]

>>10200943
I'm talking about no socks or blouse at all cause "it's hot" excuse

[Anonymous No.10201057]

If you are male and you don't look at all soft or feminine in the face, you shouldn't dress in lolita. It looks horrifically awful when you have a chiseled ultra masculine face.

[Anonymous No.10201067]

>>10201057
This isn't an unpopular opinion, just an unspoken one.

[Anonymous No.10201074]

>>10200977
As someone who lives somewhere with 95° weather most of the year, I can confirm that this is a total cop out. I can manage to wear a proper coord just fine.

[Anonymous No.10201105]

>>10201074
>95 F
>implied hot weather
Low standards. After 110 we call it hot. And fuck blouses then

[Anonymous No.10201106]

>>10201105
Idk about you since you seem mentally retarded but most of the world would consider a place that is 95° the majority of the year hot. If that’s the average temperature, I’m willing to bet it goes a lot higher than that too.

[Anonymous No.10201123]

>>10201057
This is the opinion most of us have.

My opinion takes it one click further.
No one should ever be a group mod if they can’t step up and enforce what the group majority wants but the combination of spineless mods who don’t want to be the bitch or are afraid of being accused of elitism and the screechy SJW bitching, that has let all kinds of people into comms that never should have been allowed to join in the first place. Now everyone is sorry and cries about it and it’s too late to fix it without burning it to the ground and starting over or sneaking about in the secret groups we pretend aren’t there. FML. It’s pathetic.

[Anonymous No.10201125]

>>10200944
teens are shitheads whose sense of empathy has physically not developed in their brain. they also tend to be insecure and jealous because they don't know how to make themselves look as good as adults. teens don't need "therapy" for being shitheads who will probably grow out of it. not everyone has depression and anxiety like you.

[Anonymous No.10201126]

Unpopular hot weather opinion that is common sense in places people are exposed to the weather: people wear more but lighter clothing to keep the sun off of them and insulate them from the heat. I go from aircon in my house to aircon in my car to aircon at a venue, I don’t sit out in the heat or sun in the summer like some lizard on a rock or a gyaru getting her tan. So it’s easy enough to wear a full lolita coord year round in any first world country on earth because they are all like that. Also what is historical re-enactment where people wear full gear in the full sun and heat? I don’t see them perishing or going without a blouse. In the southern US, many women still dress for church all summer, heels, hats, shape wear, stockings, the works. Men wear suits. Then they go to Sunday dinner. Then they visit the elders. It’s just a thing.

[Anonymous No.10201127]

I don't know if it's as unpopular anymore, but i.m.o. famewhoring is ruining Lolita's online community.
People who dress up just to post to CoF or Instagram in coords that could never feasibly be worn outside of extravagant events just for internet points are boring and don't have a place in the fashion. If you want to cosplay, cosplay. I'm sick of people trying to outdo each other. Every time I find a new person to follow for inspo or whatever they start doing endless follower trains which all read so insincere.

[Anonymous No.10201129]

>>10200556
^Coolest Anon in this thread

[Anonymous No.10201130]

>>10201126
i 100% agree with wearing lolita if youre using AC but i think people are talking about outdoor meets

[Anonymous No.10201136]

>>10201127
I think if they are going to the events where it’s appropriate to wear such things it’s fine. There are plenty of those and I don’t see many people wearing OTT photos who are just in their bedrooms. Are you maybe following the wrong people or are you just salty that people are going to fancy events and posting their fancy looks from them?

It’s sure better than the Cracker Barrel Gang we saw recently where MOST of the comm was not even wearing lolita and of the few who were 2 were in Bodyline. THAT is ruining the RL community because I’d take one look at that comm and say ‘nope, its lone lolita time’ if I lived there.

[Anonymous No.10201138]

>>10201123
Make your own comm if you want. Seriously. Or just accept that everyone has a different view of what a comm is and just be a lonelita or hang out with lolitas on your own. No ones got a gun to your head saying you have to go.

This is coming from someone who agrees with you (sort of) in spirit. I’m just realistic and recognize that comm structure will never make me happy.

[Anonymous No.10201141]

>>10201130
Even so, visit your local historical site or re-enactment group where women are in corsets and long gowns outside in summer. Or look at most people who have to work outdoors who don’t want sunburns and heatstroke. They cover up, they don’t strip down. Yet we hear ‘ a bloo bloo muh blouse be hot’.
I call first world problems.

[Anonymous No.10201143]

Here's an unpopular opinion: Most lifestylers I've seen wear dumpy, boring, and/or ugly coords in their daily lives. I would hate to wear lolita so often that the fashion becomes routine to me. Lolita is impractical for the most part, and that's part of the fun of getting dressed up to wear it: that feeling of fancy, princess-like indulgence.

[Anonymous No.10201148]

>>10201141
we're not in re-enactment groups and our dresses aren't about being historically accurate, so that's kind of irrelevant. But i agree that blouses do a much better job of keeping you cool in the sun, since it keeps the sun off your skin and reflects the heat

[Anonymous No.10201182]

>>10199883
Absolutely, weird example but you can see this kind of thing being represented in the modern toy market too. Light colors and pastels on dolls are huge right now and the majority of them have darker skin for contrast because it looks great. Plus a ton of them have the silhouette and color coordination going better for them than some irl lolitas kek

[Anonymous No.10201183]

>>10201148
I was referring to the amount of covered up clothing they wear only, and to the fact that our blouses, many of which are also historically influenced, aren’t any more unbearable than theirs are and they manage fine.

[Anonymous No.10201184]

>>10199734
I'm kind of in the same boat
Theres a con in the UK called AnimeLeague or something or just ALcon and everyone hates it because the owners are all awful and "paedophiles" etc but that doesnt stop the convention itself from being fun and good. Everyone just says "yikes" when someone says anything positive about the con to the point my friend messaged me once saying "hi your friend is going to that con can you tell them not to go because its toxic and i cant be friends with them if thy want to go" which i think is taking it a bit too far.
I get not wanting to support toxic people but i think if the convention itself is actually fun and good, especially since other local cons are awful IMO, then i personally dont see any harm if im just going there to have a time with my pals

[Anonymous No.10201185]

>>10200051
"buT CosPlaY is CosPlAY!"

[Anonymous No.10201192]

>>10201143
Wear lolita everyday and live your live, doing stuff
Or
Impractical clothing

Choose one. Even Marie Antoinette wore much more ‘plain’ clothing when playing ‘commoner’ at Petite Trianon.
Though I will admit that many everyday lolitas could often be a little better about the details and a bit less boring and still keep their everyday wear practical, yet keeping up with more of the indulgent and extravagant feeling in small ways. Hairstyles and legwear for instance.

But I will also ask you...what do you look like every day? Always stylish? Always polished? Never dull or boring in your own everyday clothing? Because many girls I know who only wear lolita infrequently frankly look like ass on the daily.

[Anonymous No.10201195]

This is legitimately not intended as bait, but I wish we could exclude trans people from lolita. If you're an mtf, join a group or start a comm for other mtfs where you can give each other advice and other relevant exchanges of information instead of clogging up our threads/pages/whatever with your gripes about sizing and presenting. If you're an mtf, I don't understand why you'd want to present as hyperfeminine at all in the first place, make up your mind.
I'm tired of sharing space physically and emotionally with people who think that taking some hormones and forcing everyone to use their pronoun means you're a woman now without ever having to experience what being a woman is actually like, you are a wolf in sheep's clothing, you're a tourist. I'm tired of sitting around and seeing people shit on terfs when cis women are constantly being erased from conversations for the sake of inclusivity when cis women are still having to fight for tiny slivers of our independence and rights, and then trans women swoop in to derail our progress by making it about them instead. Half the people in my comm are transtrenders and part of me just wants to leave because I'd rather be alone than listen to their incessant complaints, our meets are basically them bitching about being misgendered or some other tumblr-tier political groupwank where the only thing lolita about the meet are their shitty coords.

[Anonymous No.10201199]

>>10201195
For your own sanity, get out of that comm, it's not worth the hassle. My comm is starting to have many genderwhateverthefuck people emerge and I'm worried it'll go the same way.

[Anonymous No.10201201]

>>10201138
I’m thinking of just informally inviting a small group of people who dress well out for a seasonal outing and nice meal instead of trying to do the group or comm thing. 4 times a year with a season theme and everyone in lolita or ouji would be fun, low stress and something to look forward to. I think I’ll limit my participation in my local comm because more Taobao chans and the loliable types seem to be joining and coming to the meets. Mods just want ‘more people’. Not ideal.

[Anonymous No.10201206]

>>10201195
*if you're an ftm I don't understand why you'd want to present as hyperfeminine

>>10201199
It's like they flock to any alternative fashion that will tolerate them, I sincerely hope you're comm doesn't become this because it really ruins meets. There's a time and place to complain about your gender and who you fuck, our meets aren't that place.

[Anonymous No.10201208]

>>10201195
This is a legit problem. This, most itas and much of the SJW wank in general could be avoided if comms were kept to well dressed lolitas who already have a good coord or two before being allowed to join a group. That one simple rule would have eliminated 90% of this shit.
Actual good lolitas are leaving or avoiding joining many comms because of it and many comms are indeed now nothing left but the badly dressed wankers.

[Anonymous No.10201213]

>>10201195
*if you're an ftm I don't understand why you'd want to present as hyperfeminine

>>10201199
It's like they flock to any alternative fashion that will tolerate them, I sincerely hope your comm doesn't become this because it really ruins meets. There's a time and place to complain about your gender and who you fuck, our meets aren't that place.

[Anonymous No.10201224]

>>10201192
I look great in my day to day outfits. They're normie but cute or stylish, and far more practical than lolita. I often go out to bars with friends and like to wear heels, skirts, etc, so I'm not some teen who wears band shirts all the time or anything. I think I could truthfully say that the only time I look dull/boring is when I'm either hardcore studying for an exam or exercising, when I value comfort above literally all else.

Obviously daily lolitas can do whatever they want, this is only an opinion. I just feel that it dilutes how special it feels to wear lolita when half their daily outfits are boring and plain or just passable as librarian's clothing. It's just not why I'd ever choose to wear the clothes because I love that feeling of impractical indulgence.

[Anonymous No.10201228]

>>10201195
>If you're an mtf, I don't understand why you'd want to present as hyperfeminine at all in the first place, make up your mind.
did you mean "ftm"?

[Anonymous No.10201232]

>>10201228
I corrected it already a couple posts up, but yes.

[Anonymous No.10201233]

>>10199853
That is ugly but their other jewelry is cute

[Anonymous No.10201257]

>>10200937
So you don't sweat in 108 degree weather?

[Anonymous No.10201262]

>>10201257
NAYRT but please don’t be daft and argue for argument sake like this. Everyone sweats in 108 degree weather but most of us minimize their outside time when it is that hot and wear lightweight clothes and use a good deodorant. You can do this and still wear a complete coord using either an OP that is lightweight and not skin tight or wear a thinner fabric JSK with a very light short sleeved blouse. Thin socks. Cage petti.

[Anonymous No.10201265]

>>10199723
QPot..$170. I guess it is just a sign to wear that states, 'I can afford this, you can't.'

[Anonymous No.10201274]

>>10201265
Welcome to fashion, where watches or necklaces can cost more than a house

[Anonymous No.10201279]

>>10201265
>>10201274
$170 for a necklace is expensive but not ungodly

[Anonymous No.10201280]

>>10201265
I don’t really get the qpot hype. Their things seem too expensive for what they are. They look a bit cheap. How is resale value? Do their metals change color quickly?

[Anonymous No.10201284]

>>10201280
They are the best quality jewelry producers for sweet lolita. The items I’ve bought have held up well.

[Anonymous No.10201294]

>>10199998
They probably buy a small size

[Anonymous No.10201313]

Usakumya and Kumakumya are cute but absolutely not $300 cute. They are just stuffed animal backpacks with a brand name on them. You're still wearing a plush toy bag and it's exactly the same as a cute not too children's off brand stuffed toy bag.

[Anonymous No.10201326]

>>10201313
I agree, but at the same time I'd shell out 1k+ for OG usakumya.

[Anonymous No.10201345]

Brand quality is often not worth the price and brandwhores are cringey and obnoxious.

[Anonymous No.10201349]

>>10201201
Here's an example of a person who thinks someone who wears Taobao brands =/= rEaL LoLiTa. And people try to claim these dumb brandwhore types don't exist, tch.

[Anonymous No.10201351]

>>10199883
> but I’ve seen a lot of folks on here say paler skin ALWAYS looks better, and I couldn’t disagree more
b, those were trolls.
I haven't seen anyone legitimately making that argument that wasn't just going for a cheap rise.

[Anonymous No.10201357]

>>10201349
AYRT and Nope, you are so wrong at least About my own intentions because a full coord of Taobao or offbrand would be fine with me, but we have a few replica-chans and another couple of lolitas at heart who try to just wear loliables and vey badly handmade things. They don’t have any interest to get better so I’m just not here for that. I don’t want to make a big stink so I’ll just go my way and then invite out some others who actually wear lolita.

[Anonymous No.10201359]

>>10201357
I should clarify that for me a Taobao Chan is someone who just buys one cheap Taobao dress doesn’t bother to actually make a coord then says everyone is elitist when we say anything. So I probably should have said so. My bad for that.

[Anonymous No.10201363]

>>10201195
>>10201213
>*if you're an ftm I don't understand why you'd want to present as hyperfeminine
How have you never heard of gothic lolita or ouji. Even then, if not like you have to choose between being masculine or feminine. Idk what is hard to understand about liking both masculine and feminine things.

>cis women are constantly being erased from conversations for the sake of inclusivity when cis women are still having to fight for tiny slivers of our independence and rights, and then trans women swoop in to derail our progress by making it about them instead.

The irony here is palpable.

[Anonymous No.10201371]

>>10201363
Dense? You have no idea.

You say, “The irony here is palpable.” Because you don’t understand at all what it is like to grow up as a girl who watched the women before her and those before her too, fight desperately for rights we still do not have. Those same rights that, as a man, were your birthright that you can just choose to cast aside, then expect to come in and take a portion of what we have so little of ourselves.

THAT is the irony.

Many of us will never have what was your privilege to just decide to give up. We have never had that choice. So no, we will not give you portions of what little we have managed to at last have won for ourselves after generations without something you were actually born having but chose instead to give up. Just no.

[Anonymous No.10201381]

>>10201363
Ayrt but this isn't about liking masculine and feminine things, it's about men playing dress-up and invading our spaces and being tired of sharing said spaces with them. I'm not sure what gothic styles really have to do with this, but ouji looks better on and was designed for women. Regardless, I was clearly talking about ftms who present as hyperfem and not as wearing ouji. >>10201371 really hit the nail on the head with the point I'm trying to make.
I know by posting this someone would get upset, but despite this being the unpopular opinions thread I think this is a lot more of a popular opinion than you want to believe.

[Anonymous No.10201382]

>>10201363
Your smugness is wasted here. Some of us have put our foot down and decided absolutely that mtf trans or (any penis-wielding entity of whatever name you are using for yourself this month) are not welcome in our space that we create for ourselves and you simply canNOT force that. Ever. We have 1000 ways of simply melting the space from under you like mist. If you enter, we ourselves will withdraw and re-form the space elsewhere without you, every single time. We have enough power to remove ourselves from you and that is all the power we need to safely exclude you forever.

[Anonymous No.10201384]

>>10201371
>Those same rights that, as a man, were your birthright that you can just choose to cast aside
Are you implying that trans people choose to be trans?
Since you don't understand the irony, i'll spell it out; Trans people are an oppressed group of people in the modern world right now and "are still having to fight for tiny slivers of our independence and rights, and then [cis women] swoop in to derail our progress by making it about them instead."
And finally, are you seriously suggesting that men don't face oppression while replying in a thread filled with women calling for the ban of men from lolita groups and comms?

[Anonymous No.10201387]

>>10201381
>this isn't about liking masculine and feminine things
>I was clearly talking about ftms who present as hyperfem

uh...huh......

[Anonymous No.10201389]

>>10201384
Nayrt but cry more. Being discriminated from a job or housing or from a public space is oppression, not wanting you in a space that was made FOR CIS WOMEN isnt oppressing you. Go back to Tumblr, this isn't the website for coddling your dysphoria.

[Anonymous No.10201391]

>>10201195
Thank you anon, Jesus that's exactly my same thoughts. I'm tired of dudes with a sissy crossdressing fetish. Get therapy for fuck sakes.

>>10201384
>are you seriously suggesting that men don't face oppression while replying in a thread filled with women calling for the ban of men from lolita groups and comms?

Are you seriously suggesting that oppression is women not wanting men in comms? Go suck girldick somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.10201395]

>>10201389
>not wanting you in a space that was made FOR CIS WOMEN isnt oppressing you.
Just because it makes you uncomfortable to admit your sexism, doesn't mean you aren't sexist. You don't have to have an almighty power to be sexist. There is nothing about the word oppression that is limited to employment, housing, or public space.
If you are ashamed of being sexist, then start treating men and women equally

[Anonymous No.10201396]

>>10201391
>Are you seriously suggesting that oppression is women not wanting men in comms?
yes. sexism is a form of oppression. If you don't think that discrimination against someone for their sex is sexism, then you need to find a dictionary.

[Anonymous No.10201397]

>>10201384
Oppression is not about being banned from a dress up social group that has parties, you numbnut. We can invite who we want to and leave out anyone we don’t. Period.

And regardless of your choice to ‘be trans’, you were born with full male privilege if you were born male and it absolutely is a choice to set that aside. Many men come to terms with their feminine side without giving up their maleness too AND without trying to poach another group’s space and usurp their rights.
You don’t ‘gain your rights’ by demanding to take some of ours. You are not women. You are something else, something new. You will have to find and make your own way, not prey on us to give you our roles, space, place. It’s not yours, you have earned nothing from us. Not serve us trans flavored requests to just come in and share what we don’t want to share and take what we don’t want to give. How like a man still!

And I’m not calling for a ban, though it would be hella nice...I’m ENFORCING my own space and that of my sisters.. usually by withdrawing myself. But many of us are doing just that, and we re-form our groups and our spaces together but withOUT you. And there is no way you will ever prevent that because some of us ARE strong enough to hold that line. Bank on it.

[Anonymous No.10201399]

>>10201279
It's acrylic/plastic. It isn't worth $170.

[Anonymous No.10201403]

>>10201397
>Oppression is not about being banned from a dress up social group that has parties
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oppression
unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power
banning someone from a group due to sex is unjust.

>AND without trying to poach another group’s space and usurp their rights.

In what does a trans person "poach another group’s space and usurp their rights."?

>demanding to take some of ours.

What rights are trans people demanding being taken away from cis women?

[Anonymous No.10201405]

>>10201395
Here's a little something for that reach

[Anonymous No.10201408]

>>10201395
I’ll easily admit that I want my space with my sister cis women. Men and any other not-cis-women-people can fuck off to their own spaces. Or make their own space. Just like I can make mine. Rent a fucking room to gather, and boom, there’s your space.

I’m not oppressing anyone by not letting them into a space I create. It’s not denying anyone access to a public space or denying them the right to be themselves, to work fairly, to have a voice in society, all the places EVERYONE deserves their rights. But in my own private social space, hell yes, I am the one who decides.

[Anonymous No.10201411]

>>10201399
You clearly have never seen actual designer prices.

[Anonymous No.10201413]

>>10201408
You’re right, anon. I also have a right not to invite terfs over because I think you’re dull and narrow minded. We each can do our own thing, but I don’t have to like you. As long as you accept that people will think you’re a twat, were cool.

[Anonymous No.10201415]

>>10201387
You need to have dysphoria to be trans.

[Anonymous No.10201416]

>>10201415
That’s actually technically not true, but let’s not get into a debate about gender identity on a swedish listening device board

[Anonymous No.10201417]

>>10201403
It’s not unjust or cruel, if I make a space or a group, it’s mine and I get to decide who I’ll share it with. Is my home also sexist because I don’t want to invite a mandated variety of people to come live with me? No, it is MY home, I choose.

The groups belong to the members. If we as a whole choose to not allow someone, anyone...that is the right of the group. It is a private group. It makes its own rules. They do not have to be fair or equal, no one promised private equality ever to anyone. You can throw definitions and terms, you can disagree, you can cry and pout and buzzword terf and screech till you faint but some of us will hold the line.

[Anonymous No.10201418]

>>10201413
Nayrt but most if us aren't vocal about not liking you, there's a good chance that unless all of your friends are also openly dysmorphic that there's no way of knowing. I come here to complain because I can't say these things in public, men figured out that if they put on a dress, wear horrible makeup, and cry loud enough they can continue to silence us they way they always have. Please invite all the trans women to your house, you can have them. Start your own comms like OP suggested, create your own spaces. Nothing is stopping you but your sense of entitlement.

[Anonymous No.10201419]

>>10201417
Listen, anon. If you choose not to invite black people to your group just because they are black, you are allow to. People will still call you racist, because you are, but you’re allowed to. Don’t be a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10201422]

>>10201418
>I can’t say these things in public
Honeybun, that’s because you’re in the minority. Go make YOUR own comm?? You just said you can. If it’s so amazing and popular than you win. I’m sorry you feel personally attacked by trans people existing, but some of us aren’t overly sensitive snowflakes who need special safe spaces

[Anonymous No.10201423]

>>10201419
What spoiled bottle of kombucha and boxed hair dye corner of tumblr did you crawl out of to land here?

[Anonymous No.10201424]

>>10201413
No one is asking you to invite any terfs (or anyone over), you have every right to make your own space and you get to say who is there, I encourage it. That’s what most of us have been saying all along, make your own space, stop trying to take some of ours instead.

Everyone should make their own safe space and no one should demand to invade it or come in uninvited. You can think I’m the biggest twat that ever lived, be my guest in that for sure, I’m a big girl, I can handle it. For most women, that’s far from the worst a man has called us, honey.

As long as you fuck off out of my space, we ARE indeed, COOL.

[Anonymous No.10201425]

>>10201422
Whatever makes you sleep better at night, buddy.

[Anonymous No.10201426]

>>10201423
>Says something completely obvious and common sense
>MUH SJW
I’m sorry, did someone tell you they didn’t like you because you’re a stupid bitch today? Must be hard.

[Anonymous No.10201429]

>>10201424
>You think I’m not a cis woman
Kek

[Anonymous No.10201431]

>>10201424
I’m honestly curious why you don’t make your own space, then, instead of dreaming it up on here. If you don’t like how the general comm is run, it seems logical to me. Unless you are just lazy, which I sort of understand, but the that seems a little entitled.

[Anonymous No.10201435]

I will never understand why tumblrfags insist on posting here.

[Anonymous No.10201436]

>>10201431
>>10201429
Stop baiting the TERF who’s derailing a thread to spout her weird platform.

[Anonymous No.10201437]

>>10201431
Nayrt but we do make our own spaces and every time the transfolks decide that we are being uninclusive. Remember when trans people demanded that they have their own safe spaces, why is it so hard for you to understand that we request the same?

[Anonymous No.10201441]

>>10201436
This is the unpopular opinions thread, it isn't derailed the OP just struck a nerve among the trannies here. Post new opinions or shut up.

[Anonymous No.10201442]

>>10201437
I mean, you technically are being uninclusive. She said she’s okay with people not liking her, so how is that an issue? She should just make the group. It’s really not that hard.

[Anonymous No.10201444]

>>10201441
Plus as far as I can tell, the OP stopped responding to this stupid shit awhile ago.

[Anonymous No.10201446]

>>10201441
I told them to leave her alone? I’m not sure you’re following.

[Anonymous No.10201447]

>>10201419
But black women would be welcome in a group made for women, it’s not even a question. No one would call me ‘racist’ if I said ‘no’ to a black man asking to join a women’s group. This doesn’t hold water.

There is nothing wrong with me a group just for women. And just because you aren’t (or think you aren’t a man), that doesn’t make you any kind of a woman. So no, you can’t join a women’s group if they do not want you there.

Keep crying, my sisters gain strength from reading every reply where I rebuff you and just tell you “NO”.

[Anonymous No.10201448]

Unpopular opinion: people who complain about how comms are run on here don’t have enough friends or clout in their area to do their own thing.

[Anonymous No.10201450]

>>10201415
right...
dysphoria has nothing to do with liking dresses vs suits.

>>10201417
>Is my home also sexist because I don’t want to invite a mandated variety of people to come live with me?
if you don't invite someone over specifically because of their sex, yes.

>If we as a whole choose to not allow someone, anyone...that is the right of the group. It is a private group.

I'm not denying that. I'm just telling you that your sexist member policy is wrong. Something being legal doesn't make it morally ok.

>>10201435
>thinking tumblr is still a relevant website

[Anonymous No.10201452]

>>10201450
The word “tumblr” is just used as code for overly sensitive crybaby SJWs like yourself on this site.

[Anonymous No.10201453]

>>10201195
Jesus Christ, HALF of your comm is trans? Where the hell are you!?

[Anonymous No.10201455]

Not sure if unpopular opinion: I can't care about men and trannies being excluded from meets. Half the time cgl wants to ban itas anyway, ie- cis girls, just badly dressed ones. There's discussion of making expensive meets to exclude the lolita-at-heart and the itas, and there's at least one anon who said they're lonelitas because their comms suck, and there was at least one comm in the past that split up because one group was ita or something. Then there was another anon that liked to go around spouting off about "secret comms" that she wasn't invited to (this being before cgl realised that chinese lolita groups are on weibo because chinese and not necessarily facebook because, idk, they don't speak English or whatever, but apparently all lolitas all over the world are supposed to be on facebook and are all supposed to dutifully come to comm meets like what? Did you think lolita was some kind of communist uniform or something?). And apparently you can no longer hang out with your other lolita friends while wearing lolita anymore because that's elitist or something.

Who has time to worry about excluding dudes in the middle of all that?

Anyhow, making your own comm is free, so just go off and make your own.

[Anonymous No.10201457]

>>10201431
We have, we make a group of women who meet and wear lolita fashion. Then along comes a mtf thinking they can join because they are mtf and interested in the fashion. But it’s a fashion group made by women for women. The mtf person is not a woman, they are a mtf trans person. But no, now we are ebil terfs because we just want to keep our group that we made for ourselves, actually for ourselves. This is the issue.

[Anonymous No.10201460]

>>10201457
You, you do realize one of the most recognizable lolitas is a man, right? A comm simply existing isn’t going to be explicitly exclusive to cis women unless you state it is and refuse to accept men and trans women (and accept the consequences). I’m starting to agree with anon that you don’t have any friends and are just mad you can’t do your own thing.

[Anonymous No.10201465]

>>10201455
This right here is why I don’t interact with my comm. Why go through all this drama when I can just wear lolita on my own and maybe drag a friend or two into it?

[Anonymous No.10201467]

>>10201452
Why do you insist on using an outdated term?

[Anonymous No.10201471]

>>10201467
We’re on 4chan. Do you seriously think most people here have the social skills to update their edgelord lingo regularly?

[Anonymous No.10201472]

>>10201465
>Why go through all this drama when I can just wear lolita on my own and maybe drag a friend or two into it

EXACTLY

[Anonymous No.10201473]

>>10201453
Sounds like you want anon to reveal personal information, nice try.

[Anonymous No.10201475]

I vote for politicians who are in favor of the same rights for all people because that’s what I believe in. But in our private personal lives, I believe we all have the right to keep the company of who we choose and we do not owe anyone explanation or apology for that nor do we need permission from anyone . That’s my only opinion and that’s how I behave. I keep the company of who I choose to and these days I’m very silent about any reason why. Then I don’t have these conversations we have seen tonight in this thread. My preference is my preference and I have a right to exercise it.

[Anonymous No.10201480]

>>10201472
God, people are so stupid. That or they really need the approval and/or socialization they get from comms. Do I really want to sit around with a bunch of near strangers making awkward conversation while trying to remember what “drama” is going on? Hell no, I’ll just call my own friends up for tea and go my damn self.

[Anonymous No.10201481]

>>10201475
Common sense is unfortunately lacking on this site

[Anonymous No.10201483]

>>10201448
This

[Anonymous No.10201486]

>>10201436
It’s more than one terf you dumb bitch. Believe it or not most women don’t want to include men in their feminism nor into their spaces, they’re just forced to be silent because trannies and handmaidens keep threatening violence. Gotta love male socialization and handmaidens sucking on lady dicks

[Anonymous No.10201488]

>>10201460
Two, as a matter of fact, if you count Novala. He says directly that Momoko is his alter ego. Neither he nor Mana are known for ever demanding access to women’s spaces. Frankly I think they’d be appalled at the idea. Lolitas are singular maidens who only ever need each other for company IF we even want any company at all.
Nice try though.
And no, as a private group we can refuse anyone for any reason or no reason at all and we don’t have to explain why. There aren’t any consequences because it’s either invitation only already or there’s just not going to be any reply when you ask to join. That’s just how the cookie crumbles.

[Anonymous No.10201497]

If you go to a con broke as fuck AS AN ADULT surviving on ramen, pocky and sharing a room with 10 other people the you are an idiot with no financial discipline. I can understand if you are a high school kid or are in college, but if you're a grown ass man or woman still doing this shit then I wont feel sorry for you when you cry broke. If you cant afford the con then keep your broke ass the fuck home because I don't want you ruining my con experience with your woe is me broke tales.

You know that the con you want to attend is at least 6 months away, why not put money aside for your con fund? It ain't the 90s to early 2000s anymore where cons and hotels were cheap.

Those room horror story threads could be avoided if they saved up and bought their own room.

[Anonymous No.10201499]

>>10201488
I meant social consequences, ie, people not liking you. That’s really all you have to worry about, so I’m not sure why you aren’t just doing it. As >>10201486
said, there are many of you... apparently more of you than us “handmaidens” (although I was not notified). Seriously, go make your own comm. Invite people. You’re 100% right. Terfs would appreciate it and everyone else wouldn’t probably wouldn’t want to hang out with you anyway. I’m not being sarcastic, it’s a win-win. Basically my point was stop complaining on 4chan and do it.

[Anonymous No.10201501]

>>10201497
Why are you hanging out with people who are doing this? It’s within your power to just... not.

[Anonymous No.10201502]

>>10201475
This. At this point women DO have enough power to just gather, do our thing and quietly keep the ranks and silently hold the line. It’s a bit of a scary test at first but we really can do this.

[Anonymous No.10201504]

>>10201502
>scary
Anon, you’re inviting some people together who wear frilly dresses over for tea not storming the bastille. If you want to hang out with different people then do so. Why are you making this so hard?

[Anonymous No.10201506]

>>10201501
I cut those people off long time ago, but reading that room story thread brought back memories.

[Anonymous No.10201507]

>>10201499
We are, but some others are still struggling to as we can see from the posts. For their sake, we need to tell them it’s ok, that they can do it too, that the scary ‘consequences’ ARE really just the risk of some bitter people calling us names or not liking us simply for speaking up for and asserting our own truths and for wanting things that it’s also ok to want. Privacy, our own space we make. So yes. We will speak up for them to read. Despite you trying to shut us down for ‘complaining’ when we are asserting our own rights and pushing back.

[Anonymous No.10201508]

If we eliminated men and troons from our lolita comms, we’d get rid of like 80% of everything wrong with everything our communities. The remaining 20% would just be female itas. With all the focus away from drag queens, trannies, and crossdressing, the actual women in the community could spend more time mentoring the girls who deserve it.

[Anonymous No.10201509]

>>10201507
Okay, general announcements y’all: terfs exist. Women who are not terfs also exist. You are allowed to hang out with whoever you want, and regardless of your choice people will call you names and say you’re not a feminist. You are also allowed to say fuck it and not hang out with any lolitas at all. All spaces are options for you, except presumably all trans or male spaces as anon suggested, so go nuts. We good?

[Anonymous No.10201510]

Terf this, terf that, blah blah blah let muh girldick in! Jesus christ, why are you idiots even here? Can you go to reddit or some shit?

>>10201416
Yes you do, it doesn't have to be body dysphoria but you can't just change your gender for no reason.

[Anonymous No.10201513]

>>10201504
Because a bunch of loud people waving their dicks around won’t leave us in peace to do just that without clamoring for admission?

[Anonymous No.10201514]

>>10201513
Are you really that incapable of sending out a group text without telling half the world what you’re doing? I know lolita is filled with famewhores but christ, it’s not that hard to just have people over.

[Anonymous No.10201517]

I never used to think people were just in lolita for the attention and validation, but this thread is convincing me that’s true.

[Anonymous No.10201518]

>>10201510
>but you can't just change your gender for no reason
have you ever heard of autogynephilia? white, middle aged heterosexual men (like And***) transition because they want to be the pornified bimbos they jerk off too. they don’t have any dysphoria and they delude themselves into thinking their fetish and getting boners from it is “gender euphoria”. because women totally get off on walking boobily in a skin tight dress.

I wouldn’t call myself transmedicalist because I think it’s all bullshit but I sympathize with homosexual men that transition. AGP transbians can fucking choke.

[Anonymous No.10201519]

[Anonymous No.10201520]

I'm sick of roses as the popular Gothic flower. I wait for the day when we all switch to lilies.

[Anonymous No.10201523]

>>10201520
That makes a ton of sense, actually.

[Anonymous No.10201524]

>>10201519
It’ll autosage in two posts anyway. Besides, if you thought this thread wasn’t going to devolve into arguing about race, fatties or trans people you are nuts. The whole point of making these threads is to bait.

[Anonymous No.10201525]

>>10201518
I have, that's what I was talking about. As a lesbian they especially can fuck off, no one wants your shriveled girldick.

[Anonymous No.10201526]

>>10201525
AAAAND scene.

[Anonymous No.10201527]

>>10201526
NOT YEEET!!!

[Anonymous No.10201529]

>>10201525
oh okay, I misunderstood your post the first time around. incels have found a way to force lesbians to sleep with them and if we don’t sleep with these men we’re inflicting “literal violence” on them. it’s a fucking madhouse.

[Anonymous No.10201533]

>>10201520
Peonies smell more of sickly death and shrivel up beautifully but I’d wear a lily or hellebore accessory any day too.

[Anonymous No.10201536]

>>10201510
First anon here, I dont mean to be hurtful, but I don't understand going through the trouble and pain of being trans if you dont even have dysphoria. And if you're ftm why even wear lolita? No one will see you as a man.

[Anonymous No.10201627]

>>10201536
LOL you haven't seen that most oujis are cis women and by your logic them wearing more tradionally male clothing makes them a man
Do you wear pants at all may I ask? Cause if you do by your way of thinking you just made yourself a boy so good luck with that

[Anonymous No.10201628]

Feminist and Lolita just don't match.

I am cis woman and I don't care both cis and trans's rights when I wear lolita. I don't want to listen your delusion about some gender being dangerous.

[Anonymous No.10201734]

>>10201436
>Implying only one person here doesn't want trans women in lolita

Fuck off. You have other spaces where you are welcome. Go do cosplay, wear Western fashion, or take up photography. I'm honestly hoping you're baiting and not just oblivious to the difference between racism and sexism and not being welcome in an alt fashion.

[Anonymous No.10201737]

Man I just really love (cis women) gulls sometimes.

[Anonymous No.10201798]

Your bait is shit

[Anonymous No.10201952]

>>10200051
God I feel this in my soul. Same with closet cosplays or tests. Yes, you have a portion of your costume that looks nice, but putting on makeup and a wig then calling it a day should not be held to the same standard as a finished costume

[Anonymous No.10201954]

>>10200125
I disagree. Cosplay is a transformative illusion. People should strive to recreate that look and make it appear natural/effortless.

[Anonymous No.10201987]

>>10199921
As a cosplayer who has spent hundreds on just fabric before, if you don't have a few hundred you can dedicate to a hobby it isn't really something you should get into.

[Anonymous No.10202755]

>>10199805
Not the anon you replied to, but he was at A-kon a couple years back for his Star Trek voiceover thing and I was volunteering. I didn't even know who he was and almost asked where tf his badge was, luckily my friend was like "oh yeah, enjoy your panel" but not before he looked up at me (cosplaying Chekov), did one of those sexy tiger claw hand motions, and simply said "nice" to me. Not really creepy, but he seemed like a douche that knew fandoms were obsessed with him.

[Anonymous No.10202761]

>>10199858
But.. But if you're selling clothing.. And someone buys it.. And it fits the both of you. Does that mean you're a fatty as well?

[Anonymous No.10206824]

>>10201382
Imagine if this was a man talking about excluding women from male spaces

y I k e s

[Anonymous No.10210742]

lolita is a fashion. it was made for people to wear considering mana-sama wears lolita and im p sure mana is a guy.

it wasn't "made for cis women" it's a fashion. it's just clothes. they were made to suit a style and aesthetic and to be worn, not for the BS gender politics.

[Anonymous No.10210974]

I wish people could just be chill Like 4chan has pretty much gotten me to avoid lolita so congrats I guess? Have fun being bigots.