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finland thread again.

Got accepted to Nekocon Kuopio artist alley. is this con even worth going to? I know nothing about it.

What cons have you done so far this year? What do you have planned?

>> No.10148082
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>>10147689
Why would you apply to an artist alley at a con you've never been to and aren't even sure if you're actually willing to go to in the first place? Just give your place to someone who actually wants to go, jeez.

>> No.10148501

>>10148082
because i love doing artist alleys and i'm going to every one that i possibly can. also i will still go even if i find out it's shite, as long as i can break even i'll be happy and just enjoy the experience.

>> No.10148980

>>10147689
Oh my... Am I old or are you just a newbie? Who doesn't know about Nekocon?

>> No.10148990

>>10148980
IIRC isn't this years Nekocon organized by a different group than the previous ones? Or that's at least what I remember hearing, could be wrong though since I've never been that interested in it.

>> No.10149060

I suspect this thread will die soon since nothing is happening in the Finnish scene right now, but let’s try to keep this alive for a while at least.

Anyway, any predictions for most cosplayed series for this summer? Apart from the usual stuff like Heroaca and Fate.
I think Sarazanmai might attract lazy fujos to cosplay, the designs are easy and the show panders to them. Maybe some cosplays from Kaguya-sama too.

>What cons have you done so far this year? What do you have planned?
Went to Frosti, will be attending Desu, Neko and Tracon.

>> No.10149192

>>10148990
I havo no idea where people got this idea that Nekocon is orginized by different people than before? Nekocon is orginized by same people as before, with some new faces. And it is not orginized by Suomen Con Tapahtumat.

>> No.10150117

>>10149192
I recall there was a person who used to work with SCT that made a facebook post about their experience with the whole mess, who then moved on to work with Nekocon, so maybe that's what got people confused about Nekocons relation to SCT.
Pretty much all "news" in the Finnish con scene are bits and pieces put together from social media and what you've heard from a friend who knows a person who knows what's going on etc., so it's not that unusual that there's always a lot of misinformation being spread around because it's hard to fact check unless you're personally talking with the people in question.

>> No.10150965

when are we gonna find out who got into Desucon AA

>> No.10150997

>>10150965
nvm, it just came, i'm in B]

>> No.10151019

>>10149060
Not cosplay, but there's also a lolita event called 'Witches' Follies' coming up. Crazy expensive tickets. Anyone going?

>> No.10151120

>>10150997
post your art

>> No.10152349

>>10149060
My guesses: Promised Neverland and HypMic, at least. Maybe Sarazanmai too, depends.

>> No.10152539

>>10151019
I am going to fight for the weekend ticket, even though it is way too expensive...

>> No.10152640

>>10151120
>>>/ic/

>> No.10154675

>>10151120
nah, my style is pretty recognizable and i dont want yall to track me down either online or at desu

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>> No.10156000

anyone going to popcult

>> No.10156299

>>10156000
Yeah, looking forward to it. Unfortunately my friend had to cancel, but the program looks great so maybe I won't get too bored.

>> No.10156395

>>10156000
Yes. Lmao @ the "secret special guests" who were just Youtubers, but I love Antti Pääkkönen.

>> No.10156431

Is there a site or a list with all the upcoming anime and general fandom conventions? I'm really out of the loop.

>> No.10156859

>>10156431
https://conit.fi/

>> No.10156991

>>10156859
Bless you.

>> No.10158319

is the new she-ra popular in finland at all? i want to make merch but i'm not sure if it'll sell

>> No.10158477

>>10158319
Are you the same anon that's been talking about getting accepted into AA's in this thread? I assumed you'd done some before but in case you haven't: whether or not a series is popular doesn't mean it'll sell well and vice versa. What's more important is the general quality of your art and/or nice composition and original ideas (i.e. not just copying the default poses from official media). It's actually a lot harder to sell from super popular series because you'll most likely have more competition and obviously people will only buy from the one they think is best or just downright stick to official merch only. With less popular series, people who like it are happy just to see merch from it at all and will most likely buy it even if you aren't the best artist out there.
Even then, it's literally impossible to tell beforehand what will sell and how well, so you might as well just make what you personally feel motivated to, instead of trying to read the market beforehand.

>> No.10158508

>>10151019
they tend to have good guests and it seems like they're also delivering this year, so I might go for saturday if I remember to get a ticket tomorrow. thankfully I won't have to pay out of my ass for hotel.

I wish I had access to a sewing machine and motivation, zzzz

>> No.10159558

>>10158319
Just make merch from the series you like, if you like She-ra then make some. I don't think it's very popular, but surely someone will be happy to see some and buy it. My friend who frequently goes to AAs has a lot of obscure merch (along with more popular stuff) and while the obscure merch doesn't sell as well, she always has the best interactions with the people who are into less popular series.

>> No.10161626

who here got into tracon? i didn't :( bummer cause i was feeling pretty confident after getting into every other con i applied for so far, but oh well

>> No.10161691

>>10161626
Don't feel too bad, they had like 170 applicants. I don't do AA, but I have some friends who have tried to get in for couple years now. They're pretty good artists too, but Tracon just has that much competition and it's pretty much luck-based if you happen to have similar style to some other artist.

>> No.10161705

>>10161691
This year Tracon even emphasized that they'd wish there were more than one applicant per table, and that all artists would have different styles. It was most likely in response to having a lot of applicants each year and trying to accommodate as many as possible, but obviously there are still limits to how many people can get accepted. I think Tracon is pretty notorious about being harder to get into compared to other cons?
>>10161626
To be fair you're obviously going to get rejected eventually. Most artist alleys can only fit in 20 people per day so it's only normal for conventions to try and pick different artists every time. Attendees would get bored if every con they go to only had the same artists with the same stock.

>> No.10163500

rip yukicon

>> No.10163618

>>10163500
What's up?

>> No.10167735

>>10163618
I heard from somewhere that people got tired of organizing the event but I'm not sure if that's true

>> No.10168235

>>10167735
Oh, that's a shame if it's true. There's already a really small amount of conventions being organized, and if new ones can't survive then that's a bad sign I think. Although I can definitely understand why they'd be tired, since people who don't go to Yukicon like trashing it and those that do go seem like a pretty thankless bunch what with every year attendees seemingly causing some sort of problems to the staff and each other.
What other cons have there been that just died out eventually? SCT need not apply.
My first con ever was a Bakacon, and I went every year until they stopped organizing it. A shame, since for some reason young weeb me really loved it.

>> No.10168273

>>10167735
That's what I heard too. Nothing dramatic, just that organizers were no longer interested in doing it. Maybe they're looking for people to continue it since there hasn't been any official announcement?

I'm going to be honest here, not going to mourn it. It was always a very mediocre con for me. I wonder if Popcult is going to take it's spot, so to speak. There's still Ropecon left in Helsinki but anime kiddies don't go there.

>> No.10168315

>>10168273
I somewhat liked it, the only thing ruining it for me was kids who didn’t know how to behave. Neither Popcult or Ropecon have any anime focus so I’m not interested in them at all.

>> No.10168335

>>10168315
>Neither Popcult or Ropecon have any anime focus so I’m not interested in them at all.
I feel you. I've only been to Yukicon twice but the con itself was pretty chill, my main problem with it has always been the attendees. It's genuinely unbelievable how badly some of them behave. And not just the dreaded "pikkuernut" either, but some of my own worst experiences were with attendees well over 18 years old who probably thought they were so cool for being older than the average attendee and thus thought it was ok to be a rude fuck to everyone around.
I will forever have a soft spot for Yukicon for inviting Hato Moa and Damurushi as GoH's though. Such a good choice.

>> No.10171402

>>10168273
There weren’t that many attendees in popcult, which was a shame because the Marina Congress Center was a decent place for con.

>> No.10171565

>>10171402
yeah, i'm hoping it keeps growing. it seems like a cool enough con, though I didn't get to go to any panels as I was tabling the whole weekend. lots of cool cosplay at least.

>> No.10172887

It's not surprising that these events are dying out. There aren't any new organizers because the new generation doesn't want to provide anything for the community and improve things. You see it in cosplay too since all you need to do is to buy a a costume from Ebay and you're ready to cosplay, there's no sense of development as there used to be for old-school cosplayers.

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>>10172887

>> No.10172900

>>10172897
Am I wrong though, my phone posting friend?

>> No.10174878

has anyone ever tried a full weekend crafter table at desucon? is it worth it? I got accepted into the artist alley but i'm wondering if i should have gone for the crafter's table instead....

>> No.10177556

>>10174878
If you think that you can make back the cost of the table and are popular enough to actually benefit from the extra day of sales then sure? But if you're not doing well at the AA sales wise then there's no reason you'd do any better with a full weekend table. Tabling for two days instead of one won't automatically double your sales unless you're one of those who sell a lot in the first place.

>> No.10177629

>>10172887
Don't forget the older generation who complains about everything. Especially desufags in any other con.

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>>10172887
>>10177629
Or maybe it's the result of the younger generation and the older generation both being unnecessarily childish and refusing to work with each other and thus old conventions die off and new ones can't survive. Just a thought.

>> No.10177701

>>10177629
Who are these ”desufags”? Usually people just complain about younger con goers who can’t behave and then the con gets a reputation of trash con.

>> No.10177704

>>10177654
It’s not necessary to work together. Desucon started as a fuck you to the older generation of that time. Every generation has a vision of how things should be done differently but people just seem impatient with new cons. Tracon started as a ghetto con and now it’s getting all the visitors.

>> No.10177721

https://twitter.com/yukiconfin/status/1132315409426915329?s=19

So it's official now. Surprised they didn't tell the reason.

>> No.10177785

>>10177704
>It’s not necessary to work together
See, that's where you're wrong. Pretty much all of Finnish cons share resources between each other and have a lot of the same people working on them. The one time someone thought they could do it all by themselves (SCT) and not play ball, things did not work out and cons were cancelled and Animecon's name tarnished completely. I'm not too into Desucon lore, but I bet my ass it wasn't just a bunch of people with zero experience and zero help from veterans from other conventions organizing an event from the scratch.

>> No.10177791

>>10177654
>refusing to work with each other
You couldn't be more wrong. Pretty much all Finnish cons work in co-operation in some way or another and share resources.

As someone who's been on the orgaizers' side for a while now, not getting new people is a genuine issue. Especially people who are willing to develop practices further and stick around for couple years at least. I don't know the details with Yukicon's case, but it just seems that there's no new people willing to organize it (might be also completely their fault, if they didn't make the effort to train and recruit new people). Lot of twentysomething people I've tried to get on board seems terrified of taking any responsibilities when it comes to cons. I think lot of that is also related to higher quality of cons in general, you don't get a practice round where you can comfortably mess up. Some tumbles in organization didn't use to matter when cons weren't such a big deal.

>> No.10177835

>>10177785
>I'm not too into Desucon lore, but I bet my ass it wasn't just a bunch of people with zero experience and zero help from veterans from other conventions organizing an event from the scratch.
Back when Finnish cons sucked the people behind first Desucon were complaining about the shitty quality of Finncon and then they were told why won't you do your own better con then. And they did.

>> No.10177853

>>10177785
You must be young.

>> No.10177874

>>10177785

And certain people did their best to sabotage early Desucons. For example trying to discourage security guards to volunteer at Desucon

>> No.10178437

Do you gulls think the overall high(ish) quality of Finnish cons is one of the reasons why new people don't want to get into organizing? I mean that if their new con doesn't meet the standards of Desu etc. they are afraid they'll be trashed to filth?

SCT deserved all the shit they got for their absolute trainwreck cons, but I feel like smaller cons sometimes get shit too for stupid reasons. The general opinon about smaller cons seems to be "oh well, it's gonna be shit but at least it's a con", even if the con itself runs smooth. Nitpicking on twitter is so common that I feel like people just want to nitpick for the fun of it.

I've been going to cons since 2007 and I'm in my mid-twenties, but getting into organizing feels like a waste since people seem so ungrateful. Maybe I just follow all the super cynical people on twitter or something, but when the general opinion about smaller cons is very lukewarm it kinda dampens the enthusiasm to get into organizing.

>> No.10178443

>>10178437
The people nitpicking don't know how good they have it too.

Cons in other countries are drasticaly different, and in many cases utter horseshit so it makes me sad whenever someone shits on the Finnish ones.

We've had it too good for too long and the people have become spoiled.

>> No.10178464

>>10178437
That could be one reason, but mostly I think it's because Finland is big country with small population. It takes time and effort to go to smaller conventions, and hotel prices can be insane.

The other reason is that cons are bad at marketing. Desucon's marketing was very strong when it started: it had a clear image of what it wanted to be, and that brand made people interested. It helped that the internet culture was on its peak back then.

I remember when Yukicon started and it had lot vidya program, so I assumed it was a con for people who like Japanese games. But people denied this at first, so I wasn't sure who it was made for. In the end it seemed to have this brand of "replacement con for Desucon if you're underage", so it's no wonder it got that kind of image.

>> No.10178471

>>10178443
This is what I've been thinking about too.

>>10178464
Holy shit, now that you mention the branding it makes a lot of sense actually. A lot of smaller cons just seem to go with "a fun con from city X!" -mentality and nothing else. Obviously some cons have themes (like horror etc.), but I've always felt like they're a bit forced and don't really show in the con, or reach the con-goer in any way.

How could smaller cons brand themselves better? What could be a good brand for small con? I'm really genuinely interested in this topic despite not being a con-organizer. Superficial things like decorations and having a cute mascot don't mean jack shit if the overall brand isn't though out.

>> No.10178539

>>10178471
>How could smaller cons brand themselves better?
At least this:

>Don't use shitty pikkuernu-tier art on banners, posters, ads etc.

>> No.10178632

>>10178539
Dude, Desucon's current art is at "pikkuernu" level skill wise. It's a massive downgrade from the original, but obviously doesn't affect their popularity. I've never heard someone say they're not interested in a con because the art they use isn't good.

>>10178471
I think the most important aspect to branding is deciding a direction for the con in the first place. Even something simple like anime and japanese culture is enough, as long as it's properly marketed as so. Having a GoH that fits the theme (or even none at all is better than say, a game youtuber at an anime con), specifically requesting for programs related to the theme, and small things like prioritizing artist alley and dealer's hall vendors who offer related merch all helps to make people think oh, this is a con specifically about this thing. And then focus on these aspects when marketing the con. Don't just say Xcon at Ytown, say Zthemed Xcon at Ytown, so even before checking it out people know what to expect.

>> No.10178656

Whatever you do, for the love of god do not focus your marketing only on Facebook. Young people don't use it anymore and it's very inconvenient for people who do not have an account there.

>> No.10179513

>>10178464

I think you're onto something. People from the southern part of Finland rarely bother to go to the cons in the north unless they have friends that live there they can stay over at. Oulu has at least 2 or 3 conventions.

Also I think people are getting discouraged because the expectations are too high for attendance, quality etc. Like it was said above, Tracon started as a smaller event in a university campus and Desucon didn't sell all of their tickets on their first year. The beginnings can be humble, but what those cons have in common is longevity and a brand that people remember and associate with then. I think Popcult might be gaining traction, but they might need to step up their marketing somewhat.

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What exactly does this have to do with anime, or even japanese culture? I could get behind say, a lecture about muslim culture and how it's represented in anime and other japanese media, but at least from the description this seems to be strictly about muslim culture and that's all. How is Desucon the place for this and how on earth did it get accepted?

>> No.10181852

>>10181709
Could be that this program was offered with a slightly different pitch or maybe the description itself doesn't represent what its really gonna be like.

Kinda hope it's something like that because this doesn't seem to have anything to do with anime.

>> No.10181991

>>10181709
I'm guessing the "drawing" part is the one making anime-related, maybe it's meant for artists who draw fanart/manga/etc. so that they could draw more accurately. Still seems really far fetched and doesn't fit the theme of the con.

Usually (at least during previous years) ohjelmavastaava checks the pitches and the descriptions to see that they are okay. That description has gone through the check too. There probably isn't anything related to anime in that particular program, since ohjelmavastaava would have probably encouraged to mention it in the description if there were.

A weird choice for program.

>> No.10182290

>>10181709
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv9mQ2mWk7s

>> No.10182298

>>10181852
>>10181991
I'd really love to know the reasoning behind accepting this program. If the description is accurate, then it really has nothing to do with anime or japanese culture (quite the opposite, it's to do with a totally different culture), so it really doesn't belong in an anime convention in the first place, but even more odd is that it's held at Desucon which is pretty notorious for trying to keep their program anime related.
Is it possible they just didn't have enough submissions for programs this time and had to take whatever just to fill the spot?

>> No.10182300

>>10181991
Would be interesting to hear why this particular pitch was chosen. I've always had the impression that Desucon had enough offers to pick the best ones or at the very least the ones that have something to do with con's theme.

>> No.10182318

>>10182298
>>10182300
>Is it possible they just didn't have enough submissions for programs this time and had to take whatever just to fill the spot?
Not sure if this is the case since it's just a workshop and the person who's responsible for organizing the program could ask several people if they'd like to run a more anime or cosplay related workshop (assuming there's not enough offers in the first place).

The escape room in Frostbite had nothing to do with anime/manga either, so I assume these workshops are less about anime/manga and more about some kind of activities.

>> No.10182321

>>10181709
I’m massive SJW and have studied this subject in uni but it still feels out of place.
Did they swap programs with Maailma kylässä festival?

If I had to held this lecture I’d make it about hijabis in J-Fashion.

>> No.10182322

>>10182300
>>10182298
Maybe there wasn't enough programs submitted and they just had to roll with it. When I was talking with one of the previous ohjelmavastaava a couple years back, he said that he had to contact people who were known to make good programs and ask if they could come and do program at Desu. I don't remember if there wasn't enough programs submitted and he had to fill the gaps, or if the overall quality would have been too low without well known speakers. I don't know if that is still done nowadays, but at least back then (2015 or 2016) it was. Sometimes there might be too little program submitted, so maybe that was the case this time too.

>> No.10182327

>>10182318
I figured the escape room was thematically tied to anime, manga or japanese culture but it's true I never actually visited it myself so maybe I assumed wrong.

I know that in the past there have been all sorts of Line mascot workshops and whatnot but it always felt like there was at least a loose tie to the core themes of Desucon.

>> No.10182330

>>10182322
Does Koivu need to have some kind of program all the time, though? There's lot of empty gaps for both Koivu and Honka, which are workshops spaces. Feels more like a statement choice to be honest but that's just me.

>>10182327
The escape room was linked to the murder mystery they showed in the opening ceremony, which also had nothing to do with anime except for the fact that it was portrayed as a visual novel and there was a maid character.

To me the workshops have always felt like activities for people who don't really care about Desucon being anime themed event, but they don't cosplay either so they need something to pass time. But the muslim thing sounds very niche and weird. Oh well, who am I to judge.

>> No.10182341

>>10182330
>To me the workshops have always felt like activities for people who don't really care about Desucon being anime themed event, but they don't cosplay either so they need something to pass time.
While I can understand the reasoning behind this, is it really necessary to cater to these types of people? Desucon (at least in the past) has said that they want to cater to a specific crowd and that it should reflect on their program, so it really doesn't make sense to me to then cater to someone who simply doesn't care for the convention itself. I'm honestly more inclined to believe that they either just did not have enough program submissions this time around (but then again is it better to have less program that fits the theme and is good quality instead of accepting anything just to fill the gaps?), or that it's more of a statement as you said, since I know at least some people working with Desucon are quite far in left. Although I'd like to believe that the organizers are smart enough to realize that there's a time and place for everything, regardless of their individual views.

>> No.10182348

>>10182341
I agree but every Desucon changes its policy a little bit depending of the organizers, since it's not the same people every year. Not sure if I'm disappointed or just don't give a shit, I've always thought that Finnish scene is rather liberal and easy-going by its nature and doesn't really need any woke bullshit.

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>>10181709

>> No.10182670

>>10182348
In my opinion it's a good thing the con tries new things and doesn't get stuck in the loop where everything's always done the exact same way.

This particular desur's list of programs has both those I'm really looking forward to as those I'll be fine skipping. "Näin piirrät päähuivin" definitely isn't the type of workshop I like seeing in an anime con, as it really doesn't fit the theme, but it's probably just them exploring different types of stuff.

>> No.10182705

Does anyone know what happened to the lolita forum Enfant Terrible? I tried to join a long time ago, never heard an answer back, and tried to look it up. Can’t find anything on it. It was a good one, if a bit outdated/inactive.

>> No.10182723

>>10182705
The site closed down back in 2016. Apparently it was no use to keep it going and pay for the site since it was so inactive. Maybe a former mod will answer for this question better.

>> No.10182737

>>10182723
Damn! It had some excellent sewing tuto’s for what is now old school(?).

>> No.10182742

>>10182737
Yeah there was a lot of good stuff in there and I wish the threads would still be somewhere to be found but no can do. It would have been too big of a job to transfer all that info elsewhere.

>> No.10182781

>>10182742
Agreed. It’s a pity! I wonder if its admins still hang around, as the other anon mentioned... Also, do any wayback machines/archives have it, even parts of it? Maybe I’ve been using them wrong, but can’t find anything.

>> No.10183020

>>10182705
FB groups became more active and almost everyone left the forums. They officially informed their clousure at some point.

>> No.10183134

>>10182781
Most of the admins and moderators who I remember have stopped lolita by now.

>> No.10183140

>>10183020
I see. Facebook’s not my thing, and I’m fine with /cgl/.
>>10183134
Also, a pity. Would’ve liked to see what they’re up to with lolita these days.

>> No.10183879

so animecon and SCT in general exploded? animecon said to be cancelled until 2021 and SCT's head is allegedly in complete burnout.

at least I'm glad there'll be less shitty spamcons, but it is an unfortunate situation

>> No.10183884

>>10183879
Surprising there are still people left who dare to organize anything under the name "Animecon". Yeah it's very generic name and it has had several different people behind it through the years, but SCT tarnished it completely.

>> No.10184804

based on the info provided, it seems messukeskus is going to take the animecon name and make something with it. I smell another gamexpo coming, since the people at messukeskus don't really have any idea when it comes to cons.

>> No.10185920

Is anyone going to Hypecon?

>> No.10186385

>>10185920
I wanted to but I found out about it existing too late to apply to the artist alley and i can't really afford to do cons without tabling to make the travel costs back. Want to check it out next year though.

>> No.10186958

>>10182742
The threads are archived - not gone completely but on someone's own computer. You will have to ask around if you want to read something particular. It would have been stupid to delete all that valuable information and content and fortunately it didn't happen. Afaik galleries are gone though.

>> No.10187099

I wish they (desucon) didn't pick sexual harassers as con security every year

>> No.10187267

>>10187099
You mean actual ones or just memetoo for attention?

Maybe those types gravitate there for some added personal benefit.

>> No.10187272

>>10187099
namedrops?

>> No.10187412

>>10187099
Maybe if you actually tell the organizers about harassment instead of shitposting on anonymous imageboards they would do something about it.

>> No.10187611

>>10187267
Let's put it somewhere between memetoo and real stuff

>> No.10190387

how's desucon prep going lads?

>> No.10191466

>>10190387
I hate my life

>> No.10191907

>>10191466
whats up?

>> No.10193986

how’s desucon going?

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>>10193986
Narcpark was the best thing about convention. Free booze and free drugs everywhere, but I really don't like this party at möysä. Too middle class to my taste.

Also Aiko was the fucking cutest maid ever. As a pervert I had never had easier time picking my favorite maid. Holy hell I thought I fell in love at that point when I saw her face.

>> No.10195456

So how was Desucon for everyone? Any pros and cons?

>> No.10195640

>>10195456
it was my first desu and i loved it. found it a little weird how the dealer's hall is stuffed away in the furthest corner, with extremely few and small signs pointing to it?? but i guess i'd rather the artist alley be in the main hall because they need the traffic more than companies selling anime figures.

>> No.10195745

>>10195456
It was great! Only minus is that the nights in Forenom were pure hell.

>> No.10195769

>>10195640
The dealers hall is at Finlandia club because it's pretty much the only place at Sibeliustalo where it can fit comfortably. This was also the first time the Artist alley was in Metsähalli instead of somewhere else, previously it's either been in the second balcony or at Finlandia with the dealers.
Come to think of it, what did everyone think about the placement for the AA? Which of the three so far has been your favorite?

>> No.10195833

>>10195769
Easily the best location for AA is at Metsähalli

>> No.10195840

>>10195769
any chance desucon will ever move to another place to accommodate growth or is it stuck at sibeliustalo for tradition's sake?

>> No.10195841

>>10195769
The corridors between the tables were too narrow, otherwise it was a pretty good location for it. I think I liked the balcony best, but you can't fit that many tables in there.

>> No.10195866

>>10195840
Do tell where they should go instead of Sibeliustalo. There isn't many places to have a con that big.
Paviljonki in Jyväskylä, Tampere talo in Tampere, Messukeskus in Helsinki. And Sibeliustalo in Lahti.
I personally prefer Sibeliustalo because the venue works.

>> No.10195875

>>10195840
Sibbe is fine, Desu doesn't sell out anymore like it used to before the 18+ age restriction. Obviously there could be more room, but there aren't that many possible venues available, and the need for more room isn't that urgent imo.

>> No.10195957

>>10195866
>>10195875

yeah i actually dont have any suggestions cause im not finnish so i dont really know anything abt finland con venues haha. just wondering, and also it was my first desu so i didn't know that it's actually gotten less busy because of the 18+ restriction. i agree sibeliustalo is a good place for a con.

>> No.10195999

>>10195840
To me it's the best place for a con in Finland. The problem is that for some reason Lahti has rather expensive hotels.

>> No.10196676

>>10195840
Tradition, not to mention the lack of bigger space like >>10195866 mentioned. I mean, you could always go for Messukeskus but I dunno. More space isn't everything, it would only benefit things like Artist Alley and Flea Market.

>> No.10200391

what's the most anyone here's ever made/heard of anyone making at a finnish/neighboring country con? my best result so far is 2200 euros and i'm wondering if that's about the cap for cons around here or if there's room for improvement.

>> No.10201815

Anyone going to finncon? i've never been there and don't know how they feel about cosplay/costumes. should I just wear regular clothes?

(also, don't kill me for this, but i'd like to know how the finnish con community feels about fursuits? I jusy finished making a realistic mask and would like to show it around a con, but if people are going to yell at me/call me names for it i'd rather leave it at home.)

>> No.10201819

>>10201815
As long as you behave responsibly and ditch the "free hugs" signs you should be fine even in a fursuit.

>> No.10201834

>>10201815
i see ppl walking around in partials all the time at various cons, i doubt youll have anyone looking askance at you

>> No.10201836

>>10201819
oh believe me, i don't do any of that pikkuernu/pikkuturri-stuff, i've always hated that. my fursuits are more like larp costumes anyway, but i've still heard from others that people have yelled at them/touched their costumes without permission etc.

>> No.10201840

>>10201815
I've never heard anyone openly yell at a furry but I know some people have nasty opinions.

>> No.10201852

>>10201815
People who dislike furries might say something like "look at that fucking furry lmao" to their friends, but nothing more. I'm pretty sure you're safe from anyone touching you or saying anything to your face.
Moreover, if your head is actually realistic I think people will be more open to it. Realistic fur heads have been used in j-fashion shoots etc. and they don't look as tacky as those ~sparklewolf~ heads. I dislike the way fursuits look but actual realistic looking animal heads look amazing imo! They don't have the fursuit vibe, they look more like artistic pieces.

>> No.10209877

Do people even live in Finland?

>> No.10209885

>>10200391
One thing i’ve always wondered about artist alley sellers, do you pay taxes?

>> No.10209904

>>10209885
What are you, the cops?
But for real, I doubt it. My artist alley-going friends sure don't.

>>10209877
It's a well-know fact that Finland doesn't actually exist

>> No.10210963

>>10209885
i am not currently but i'm gearing up to legitimize at least a part of my business. the plan is to start declaring card payments as legitimate income at some point and pay taxes off of that, since it's the only money that leaves a paper trail.

in any case i doubt the authorities really care since what most artist alley people make is a pittance and they have their hands full going after big wig tax evaders.

>> No.10211257

>>10210963
Pretty much this. The amount of money the average artist makes per con isn't that much (especially once you consider how much money they've spent on preparing for the con), not to mention that they'll usually be tabling only a couple of times per year. If they only use cash, there isn't really any reason to pay taxes for what's essentially chump change in comparison to say, small business owners as an example.
However if they do accept card payments then it's a good idea to pay taxes at least for those, just to be safe. And obviously if you do AA as a business and/or have an online store, pay those taxes. It saves a lot of stress and headache to just do it propely, and a lot of times you even get benefits from it.

>> No.10216966

About that Nekocon. Heard that the original main organizer from 2006 & 2008 is on board. Tzibu or something. It was a great con then. Maybe the main reason why there started to appear a lot of New cons back then.

If I remember correctly even Desucon got its idea from the original Nekocon.

>> No.10217777

>>10216966
It's be nice if Nekocon became one of the good cons. I've never been since I live relatively far away, but I'd definitely be up for more high quality cons now that I'm an adult and actually have enough disposable income to go to cons around the country.

>> No.10217792

>>10217777

Lets hope so. Of course it always takes some time when you reboot an old con.

>> No.10217957

>>10216966
I grew up in the Kuopio region and I hope Nekocon will stick around. I remember how it sucked as a teenager when all the events were in the bigger cities and either my parents didn't let me go or couldn't afford the trip. I think the first Nekocon was the first anime event I ever attended. It looks like their ticket sales have been pretty good, so I'm optimistic. Kinda shame it's a very entry level con, nothing much in the programme that interests me, except the concert. But all my support for local stuff, cons don't have to be big to be fun. Also good for brainwashing kids to keep the hobby alive lol.

>> No.10221205

Anyone at nekocon? How is it?

>> No.10222851

>>10221205
It was okay, nothing special I guess. I was there for Saturday only though. Concert was nice. I'd say the con is worth it if you're in the area, but not worth a longer trip from Helsinki or Tampere.

>> No.10225299

Not from Finn but ran into a Snufkin cosplay which I thought was pretty cool.

>> No.10225737

>>10225299
It’s not like Moomins are really popular everywhere right now

>> No.10225756

Anyone going to NärCon?

>> No.10226822
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>tfw no Finnish cosplay gf

why even live?

>> No.10227090

>>10226822
Finns in general aren't that attractive though, most of the girls are pretty homely in both appearance and personality. I can count on one hand the number of genuinely good looking people at cons and even those I bet are a pain personality wise because cosplayers are egomaniacs.

>> No.10227602

>>10227090
disagree tbqh... yeah there's lots of uglies but theres just so many weebs in finland there's plenty of cute girls among them too

>> No.10228452

>>10226822
>tfw can hardly even get a date
fucking hate this dumbass shit where you just blow your talking points before even meeting and then it's just awkward and boring mostly

>> No.10228983

my friend who is tabling at närcon says it's a really depressing situation in the side rooms of the artist alley.... glad i ended up not going i guess

>> No.10230851

>>10228983
I'm replying a bit late since the con already ended, but the Artist Alley did seem a bit more barren this year. In fact, the whole con felt a bit more empty and shallow compared to last year.

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>>10228983
for those who havent been to närcon, here's some pics from said friend of the "zone 2" rooms lmao. like imo this is just plain unacceptable for artist alley AND to charge 60 euros for this compared to 80 for the big hall tables??? should have been like 20-30 euros at most.

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>>10231006
and the back of your table is completely exposed to ppl walking behind you to see you handling your money and everything

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>>10231007
main hall looks like any normal artist alley

>> No.10231014

>>10231011
anyway APPARENTLY this is the way the artist alley has been for a while now. I have no idea why people haven't complained and refused to buy zone 2 tables? next year i'm gonna try to get a main hall table and if i don't get it i'm not going.

>> No.10232358

>>10231014
Zone 2 has been like this since always, afaik. For me, it's not even that there's much less space, it's that the building isn't designed to be accessible and open apart from the entrance. It's a university building, so why it's designed this way makes sense, of course, but the way NärCon staff utilizes it is terrible and makes it super hard to navigate.
I'd say that, in general, the buildings and how they choose to use them is my biggest problem with the con in general. They don't offer any kind of detailed maps, either, so I always get lost in the C-building.

>> No.10232428

>>10147689
I am moving to Finland with my family by the end of next month and I have some questions.

How is the con scene there?

Are there cons often?

Any cosplayers to follow?

How much do I have to pay photographers and which ones should I follow?

>> No.10232528

>>10232428
depending on where you're moving from, the con scene is either great or disappointing. there's a good handful of cons throughout the year, but they are mostly p small compared to, say, UK cons. If you're moving from the baltics for example, the con scene is AMAZING.

There's a con about once a month for the first half of the year, then fewer in the last months. the two biggest cons are Desucon in june and Tracon in september.

no idea about cosplayers

>> No.10232615

>>10232428
Some cons sell out fast. The weekend tickets of Tracon got sold out in 6h, and if I remember right some con got sold out in 30min few years back. It has eased a bit, like Desucon still having tickets long after the ticket shop opens, but if you want to be sure to get in buy the tickets as soon as possible.

>> No.10232719

>>10232428
>How is the con scene there?
Desucon, Desucon Frostbite and Tracon are the biggest cons and generally regarded as the best. Both Desucons are 18+ so they are better imo. Bigger cons have 2000-4000 people, smaller local cons can go as small as a couple hundred.

>Are there cons often?
Every few months, check www.conit.fi

>Any cosplayers to follow?
>@merryallnighter on instagram
>@elinacosplay on instagram and twitter
>@mae_rye on instagram
>@mourumaru on instagram
>@wilmacosplay on instagram
>@moemoefever on instagram and twitter
>@megurinemagnet on instagram and twitter


>How much do I have to pay photographers and which ones should I follow?
As far as I know, it's normal for Finnish cosplay photographers to do shoots for free, especially at cons. Most finnish cosplay photogs are just doing photography as a hobby or semi-seriously. If you want photographers outside of the con scene to shoot you, then you're gonna have to pay.

Some cosplay photographers I know of:
>@mialiinacosphoto on instagram and @milliliina twitter
>@nianmaho on instagram and twitter
>@merryallnighter on instagram
>@perunaprinssi_photography on instagram and @perunaprinssi on twitter
>@pixeffect on instagram and twitter
>@suojanentony and @weebwoob on instagram and @Carrox on twitter
>@sannahue on instagram

>> No.10232770

>>10232428
>How is the con scene there?
Pretty much all Finnish cons are nonprofit and are run by volunteers. We have a strong from fans to fans mentality (in case you're coming from somewhere where cons are run by companies looking to make a profit).

Tracon in September is our biggest con with 5500 attendees, and it's sold out (weekend tickets sold out in few hours this year). You have to find a ticket from the aftermarket if you want to get in. Facebook is a good place to look for one. Ropecon is the second biggest one, but it's strictly roleplaying stuff. Desucon is definitely worth visiting (it's held twice a year). I'd also recommend checking out Finncon (speculative fiction) and Popcult (general fandom and popculture), if those are in your interests. There are all kinds of small local events around the year but in my experience those are not very interesting unless you happen to be in the area anyway. conit.fi lists up upcoming cons and there is also concon's calendar, but it's aimed more for the organizers.

We don't get that many international visitors, so there isn't usually programs in English. Finnish cons generally put a strong emphasis on fan panels and presentations, but if you don't care about those nothing is stopping you from coming just to hang out and meet people. Cons don't always have proper information out in English, but you can always send an email and just ask stuff.

>How much do I have to pay photographers and which ones should I follow?
Not an expert on the subject, but you don't generally have to pay for cosplay photoshoots. You know, from the fans to fans? Some cons recruit photographers and you can sign up for shoots for free. Ask the con you're attending about it if you can't find information in English.

Conikuvat.fi is a cons' common photo gallery if you want to check out what our cons look like.

>> No.10232790

>>10232428
>Any cosplayers to follow?
These are some talented people I follow on instagram:

@naviacosplay
@lunarucosplay
@crellacosplay
@zetsumetsu
@kain_cosplay
@maijamjam_
@kisgrams
@nooracosplay
@saaraz_cosplay
>How much do I have to pay photographers and which ones should I follow?
Most shoots outside cons are usually agreed upon as collaborations. I have only heard of one photog charging for photos and the rest have never done so.
Here are more photogs to add to that list:

@ag_aagee
@kormugraphy
@arcilune
@valokuvaaja_marko
@aliasantti

>> No.10235464

Saaaaveddd

>> No.10235549

Speaking of photogs in the Finnish con scene... I'm looking for two specific photographers who have taken my pic in multiple cons. I've never found any of their galleries/social medias and I never remember to ask them for their contact info irl. Does anyone know them? They're both asian guys, one has long hair and the other has short hair and a really unique looking camera. They seem to hang around in a big group of other photographers whenever I see them at cons. I'd love to see if the pics came out nice or not.

>> No.10240443

Thoughts on Sorsapuisto being fenced for the duration of Tracon? It feels like a direct response to people going to the park to booze during the con, since iirc last year they even had the police called to the park to check things out.

>> No.10240452

>>10240443
That’s most likely the case. I heard some kid went there to sit with some random adults, got offered booze, got really drunk, shit happened and cops showed up.

>> No.10240487

>>10240443
People can still enter the park freely and without a ticket so I doubt it's gonna do much. I don't know how simply fencing the park is going improve the situation with people drinking or help the security keep a better eye of the park. Gotta give them credit for at least attempting to do something tho, it's good that they're taking the problems seriously

>> No.10241404

>>10240487
I guess it's a way to try and stay out of trouble? Having the cops called to your event that's supposed to be all-ages is not a very good look, so I suppose with this they can say that they've at least attempted to improve the security, and if something happens at the park but outside of the fenced area, I assume it's no longer their responsibility.

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Bit of a weird one but I thought it couldn't hurt to ask. I'm trying to buy some animu plushies from a Finnish store but for some ungodly reason they can only ship them to Scandinavian countries (and South Korea I guess). Are there any forwarding/shopping services in Finland like the ones in Japan?
Alternatively, would any of you Finnish gulls be willing to buy some plushies for me? I'll send you the money via Paypal of course. Dropping my email just in case.

>> No.10247746

Käytiin vaimon ja lasten kanssa R-kioskilla kahvilla ja hakemassa vähän naposteltavia ja täytyy kyllä sanoa, että oli aivan upea kokemus :)

Iloiseksi yllätykseksi huomasimme, että kahvipassi olikin jo täyttynyt ja saimme kuin saimmekin täysin ilmaiset kahvit :) iloisesti tervehtinyt ja hymyilevä kassatyttö ojensi vielä uuden passin ja antoi leiman jo siitä ilmaisesta kahvista, vaikka emme olleet maksaneet mitään.

Kun menimme etsimään jotain pientä suuhunpantavaa, huomasimme ne Ameriikan hodarit tiskin takana. Olimme toki näistä jo aikaisemmin kuulleet, mutta yleensä kun tuollaiset herkut ovat kovin kalliita niin emme ole viitsineet sellaisia liiemmin ostella. Mutta hintaa tuolle hodarille tulikin vain 2 euroa ja kyllä muuten lähti nälkä niin minulta, vaimolta kuin lapsilta! Nakki oli erittäin tuhdin oloinen ja sen sai halutessaan pekonilla vuorattuna. Myöskään mausteissa ei kitsasteltu, sillä niitä sai itse laittaa hodarin väliin niin paljon kuin vain halusi.

5/5 kokemus kerta kaikkiaan. Suosittelen kaikille nyymeille jos kahvi- tai hodarihammasta kolottaa :) Toki R-kioskilla on muutenkin usein 5/5 tarjouksia erinäisissä elintarvikkeissa joita ei muista kaupoista tunnu löytyvän. Ja satutko tarvitsemaan uutta prepaid-liittymää tai lahjakorttia vaikkapa kummilapselle esimerkiksi Spotifyyn? Ärrä hoitaa senkin. Nopeasti ja hyvällä asiakaspalvelulla :)

>> No.10247777

>>10247746
Nyt veeti nukkumaan.

>> No.10248169

>>10247746
based Ärrä shill

>> No.10248408

why are the guests of honor in tracon so shitty this year? you'd think that an event this size could afford somebode else than youtubers or instagram cosplayers....

>> No.10248419

>>10248408
Maybe they had someone but it was cancelled for some reason. Big names usually have tight schedule so small and kinda unknown events are the first place to ease it up. Cosplayers etc usually don't have that tight schedule and can come with short notice (when the big one cancels you just ask someone to come).

Animecon had this year before Kaoru Mori was there. The visit was scheduled for that year but they couldn't make it. Acon had to make plan B fast so they ended up with youtubers and such.

>> No.10248490

>>10248408
Has Tracon ever had very good GoH's? I'm not into the tabletop/roleplay scene so much, so I don't know if their usual guests are up to far for those people (for those of you that are into those I'd love to hear your take on Tracon as a whole because I only hang out with weebs), but at least for their anime side I don't remember there being a good guest aside from Takahashi Yoshihiro.

>> No.10250042

>>10248408
Tracon doesn't want to use a lot of money on guests, it seems, and from the rumors I've heard, their finance representative and/or hallitus is pretty stingy. To be fair, they have the Puistolava and what not to spend their money on, so maybe GoHs just aren't a priority for them any more?

>> No.10250084

>>10250042
Honestly I'm surprised Tracon is as popular as it is because I don't think I've ever been to one that was actually good and well organized. It always felt like they don't really care for the whole con and only put effort into select few things, and especially the anime side of it all feels really tacked on. There was a panel held by some of the organizers once and they pretty much admitted that they included anime etc. just 'cause it was the popular thing going on at the time and they didn't really put any thought into it back then, and it doesn't really look like things have changed to this day.

>> No.10250178

>>10250084
>especially the anime side of it all feels really tacked on

I find it pretty funny that every year there are roleplayers complaining that anime stuff should just be removed from the con and vice versa. There are both anime fans and roleplayers among the organizers and neither have any interest to kick other one out. I'm kinda curious where this misconception that Tracon organizers don' care about anime comes from. Like, just go to Desucon if you can't stand roleplayers or Ropecon if sight of anime nerds makes you feel bad?

I don't personally care a lot about guests and I don't want all Finnish cons to be identical. Desu is great for anime panels and industry guests, Rope is great for analog games and Tracon is great for bit of both and that kind of festival feel no other con has. I agree that they could improve some of their organizing though, but as long as cons are run by volunteers I can't be bothered to put that much heart into complaining about it.

>> No.10250240

>>10250084
The organizing is Tracon's biggest flaw imo, especially during the con. I didn't attend Tracon last year, but the years before have always lacked things like clear signs as to where everything is and proper serveillance of the visitors. There should be a ton of workers just monitoring some areas, they wouldn't even need to be trained security personnel. Places like the flea market could use a few people monitoring the crowd since stealing is a rampant problem, just a few workers keeping eye on things would probably reduce the temptation to steal. Also a few people keeping an eye out for general hallway-etiquette would be nice, so that people wouldn't start their rinkirunkkus in the middle of the hallways.

>> No.10250245

>>10250178
I think a big part of it is about the fact that anime and roleplaying are so different from each other that when you stop to think about it, it really doesn't even make that much sense to have those two as the main themes of the same event. And originally it wasn't going to be that way, Tracon was meant to start as just a roleplaying event but they ended up including anime as a theme because it happened to be getting big around that time. But roleplay and anime are basically like water and oil in the sense of how little overlap there is in the themes, so I'm not surprised at all that there are more attendees in favor of only having one over the other than there are attendees who are really into both.

I'm personally not at all against Tracon having both themes, my point isn't to get roleplayers kicked out and for Tracon to turn solely into an anime con. It's actually the opposite, I wish they put as much effort into the anime side as they do in the roleplay side, because currently (as an anime fan) I end up paying a premium price for the ticket for a very mediocre convention. Now if Tracon only marketed themselves as a roleplay and general fandom con I wouldn't feel like complaining because I'd be the one at fault for going to a con not catered to my interests. But Tracon spesifically markets themselves as a roleplaying and /anime/ con, so I don't think it's unheard of to expect actual anime related programming instead of roleplay and "all the other general fandom stuff we for some reason call anime".

>> No.10251369

Witche's Follies is barreling towards us and they've only announced three vendors so far?

>> No.10251828

So, who's gonna take wcs tittle this year?

>> No.10251866

>>10251828
I'm really out of the loop when it comes to cosplayers these days, are there any new talented people who are competing this time? I feel like all the more known cosplayers have already won it once.

>> No.10252585

Wtf was this wcs contest??

>> No.10252609

The Mario team won? Did they have a strong performance, I wasn't watching?

>> No.10252654

>>10252609
The performance was pretty basic dance skit. The costumes were absolute trash. I feel embarassed for the judges for doing such a horrible job this year.

>> No.10252657

>>10252654
I think the audience reaction for this probably depends on where you were seated. Up close the dancing was pro level. I’ve seen a lot worse in theater shows I have paid for. The lifts were top notch.

>> No.10252670

>>10252657
Even if it was pro level, looking at wcs skits in Japan, no danceshow is going to be enough for that stage.

>> No.10252722

>>10252609
The Mario one was fast paced and fun, but not winner tier imo. Just an elaborate dance skit with not much plot.
Honestly thought the Monster Hunter would have won. They had detailed costumes, and their skit had a lot changing elements and a coherent plot. The Madoka skit had a good stage props but besides the one scene where Madoka gets pierced through it was pretty basic.

>> No.10252729

wcs was fucking trash, seemed more like friendship race than a competition

>> No.10253026

>>10247746
pastaa

>> No.10253308

After this year's WCS prelims, I seriously want judges to think where goes the line with "simple costumes done really well". The wig on Peach was very nice, but the costumes were just so simple and overdone. Unless they spun the cotton for Mario's overalls, made the wigs strand by strand, somehow cast their contact lenses themselves or other bullshit like that, I just don't understand where did this victory come from. Did the judges give any reasoning? I don't at least remember any.

>> No.10253336

>>10253308
there was no reasoning for any placements, which seem really unprofessional and shady to me. i would love if they would get actually unbiased judges for bigger contests instead of giving the spots for 3 previous wcs prelim winners.

>> No.10253350

>>10253308
Especially after showing those previous WCS videos that showcase absolutely mind blowing costumes, I really can't wrap my mind around why on earth the Mario and Peach team won. The Monster Hunter team had it all, amazing costumes and a good, actually funny skit. Even the runner up Madoka team would have been better winners because even if their performance wasn't the best they at least had more impressive costumes than the actual winning team. I mean yeah in the Mario and Peach skit you could tell the dance was practiced a lot, and aside from the awful voice acting in the intro and random arm flailing whenever they went from one side of the stage to the next, it was a solid and cheerful performance. But that's all it really was, combined with the very simple costumes (the "over 100 magnets" costume change isn't impressive at all if what's underneath is just a shirt and a skirt) and a relatively simple skit it's nowhere near the usual WCS finals level. It'd be more suitable as an esityskisa winner if anything.
I also agree with >>10253336 that the lack of reasoning for the placements, and especially for the winners, just made it all that much worse. Even just the usual spiel of "really detailed costumes and energetic performance and love for characters" would give a better impression than just naming the winners and leaving it at that. All in all the whole thing just seemed like a mess and like the judges couldn't care less.

>> No.10253648

>>10253308
WCS is almost 70% performance. Even if you look at the 30% costume bit, the point system rewards accuracy, not complexity. This means that a simple Mario costume can easily score the same costume score as a big complex cosplay. In WCS, your performance wins you the competition. I don't agree that it should have won but judges are always suckers for dance acts.

>> No.10253698

>>10253648
A visually impressive costume IS a major part of the performance. It's the first thing people see, and what cosplay itself is all about. A good skit is definitely important and will help you win, but complex costumes that are constructed well enough to allow for a good range of movement for a skit is also way more impressive and important than just going the easy way of literally getting rid of the costume on stage in order to be able to execute your skit. For me personally it just shows that the person doesn't actually know how to make a costume well enough for it to be able to withstand movement, and that in itself should already be a huge minus. Not to mention that costume change as a concept only works in your favor when the costume you change into is more complex and impressive than the first one, not the other way around.
But again, the fault lies solely on the judges who seem to have their priorities mixed up. Considering the perfromance that was unanimously agreed to be the best didn't even place, it just feels like the judges wanted to butter up to the runner up and winning teams because those are people they're better aqcuainted with. They might use excuses like because they know the contestants better they know what to expect from them for the finals, but a contest should always be judged based on the current entries, and never ever with the attitude that even if the contestants competing performance and costumes wasn't the best this time we'll assume they'll do better at the actual competition. The performance and costumes for the preminilaries should already be the best quality a contestant can produce to show what they can offer at the finals, and it's absolutely unfair to judge people you know differently than those who you don't.

>> No.10254074

>>10253698
>A visually impressive costume IS a major part of the performance. It's the first thing people see, and what cosplay itself is all about. A good skit is definitely important and will help you win, but complex costumes that are constructed well enough to allow for a good range of movement for a skit is also way more impressive and important than just going the easy way of literally getting rid of the costume on stage in order to be able to execute your skit. For me personally it just shows that the person doesn't actually know how to make a costume well enough for it to be able to withstand movement, and that in itself should already be a huge minus. Not to mention that costume change as a concept only works in your favor when the costume you change into is more complex and impressive than the first one, not the other way around.
>But again, the fault lies solely on the judges who seem to have their priorities mixed up. Considering the perfromance that was unanimously agreed to be the best didn't even place, it just feels like the judges wanted to butter up to the runner up and winning teams because those are people they're better aqcuainted with. They might use excuses like because they know the contestants better they know what to expect from them for the finals, but a contest should always be judged based on the current entries, and never ever with the attitude that even if the contestants competing performance and costumes wasn't the best this time we'll assume they'll do better at the actual competition. The performance and costumes for the preminilaries should already be the best quality a contestant can produce to show what they can offer at the finals, and it's absolutely unfair to judge people you know differently than those who you don't.

Events with judges are inherently biased. Though the main points are covered above to get you in the running. Great advice.

>> No.10254603

S E X I N U K K E

>> No.10254854

Who's the person in these threads that's always so salty about Rullarinkeli? It's embarrassing.

>> No.10254871

>>10254854
If you actually paid any attention, people are complaining about the judges not awarding a better contestant, not that Rullarinkeli was bad. I think everyone has agreed that her performance was good, it just wasn't the best, and because she's no stranger to the judges it's no surprise there's talk of favoritism and bias.

Also you're doing her no favors trying to whiteknight her here because it's just going to make her and the whole situation look worse to everyone else.

>> No.10255130

>>10254854
What >>10254871 said, there's more discussion about judging criteria, less about hating the pair. I just personally hope that there would be more participants next year, and that the judges would give out at least some reasoning. I have no doubts about Rullarinkeli's and Lumipallo's skills in the finals, especially if they're willing to try something more complicated costume-wise in Japan.

>> No.10256612

So we can all agree moving Cosplay competition to later time slot in Tracon was an embarrasing mistake and AMV people should take their head out of their arse, right?

>> No.10256813

>>10256612
I was fine with the time slots. A later time for cosplay competition meant I could chill and eat in peace, see a few friends during the "prime hours" of the con and not have to hurry to watch the competition.
However, I do agree that the AMV-competitions take weird pride in themselves. Is anyone actually even interested in AMV-competitions? Apart from the 10-20 people who actively make AMVs and their friends? I'm pretty sure most people just come to see them because they need something to kill the time.

>> No.10256827

>>10256813
I fully agree on the idea that the later time almost are the 'prime hours' and in that sense doesn't make a difference for an avarage con visitor - however, deciding factor for the new time slot was AMV people demanding the prime time (because they 'earned' it, as ridicilous that might sounds). In addition, the cosplayers who compete have complete different schelude than AMV people in the competition day, wearing the costume and judging included. It's not the matter who earns what time slot, but what the actual needs are. And let's be honest, as you said, who the hell cares AMVs apart the circle jerk that makes the videos and awards their buddies every single year with 20 different prize categories.

>> No.10257104

>>10256827
>deciding factor for the new time slot was AMV people demanding the prime time (because they 'earned' it, as ridicilous that might sounds)
Source on this? I don't think Tracon would have a lot of trouble just telling them to fuck off and that the WCS and NCC preliminaries pull in the most people so if the AMV crowd doesn't want to play ball Tracon doesn't have to bend to their will because they're not going to lose anything of importance.
Although to be fair, a lot of people do seem to pay attention to the AMV contest since it does run out of tickets pretty early in the day. I personally don't really care for it (I've been to them only twice during my 10 years of con going), but it's the perfect program for the "hengaaja ernu" type attendees so I can see why it's relatively popular. What I really don't get is the "AMV sankarin paluu" contest. Were people really interested in seeing old videos again just for the sake of it? It's like having a cosplay contest but all the contestants are just recycling their old costumes and skits that didn't even win the original contest they were in. Is that fun for anyone..?

>> No.10257211

Does anyone else think Tracon could benefit from selling a few hundred less tickets? If the weather is bad (like it was this time), the whole building is so full of people that it's hard to move around. It doesn't help that there aren't many places to sit, which means people are gonna sit on the floors on corridors and stairwells. I know Tracon sells out fast and would sell out even faster if there were less tickets, but is it really worth it to have everyone packed together like sardines in a can? I would gladly pay a few euros extra if it meant that there would be less people.

>> No.10257565

>>10257211
They'll sell it full, since people will buy the tickets anyway, uncomfortable or not inside.

>> No.10261170

>>10253698
Required reading for anyone who wants to compete.

>> No.10265098

Figured this thread would be a good place to ask - I'm not from Finland, but will be going to hellocon this October and will be spending an extra day in Helsinki before going home. I'd like to find a nice restaurant to eat at for that day, preferably someplace with a tasting menu. I'm not looking for anything super fancy, I was thinking about spending maybe around ~100€ for just the food (so not counting drinks), but don't mind going a little higher if it feels like it'll be worth it. Does anyone have any recommendations?

>> No.10265149

>>10265098
Kämp probably is right one for this kind of thing.

>> No.10265629

>>10265098
My personal favourite is restaurant Kosmos. It’s very old and traditional restaurant.

Demo is considered to be one of the best restaurants. It’s more high end and trendy place. Restaurant Savoy is also great place.

Hope you enjoy Finland and Hellocon! Vanajanlinna’s food is supposed to be good, also.


>>10265149
Kämp has decent afternoon tea and brunch. I can recommend especially the brunch.

>> No.10266453

>>10265149
>>10265629
Thank you for the recommendations! I was thinking dinner moreso than brunch, but now I'm definitely tempted to check out Kämp's afternoon tea. Demo sadly seems to be closed during the days I'd be able to go there, but both Kosmos and Savoy look interesting!

>> No.10268325

Why is there so much non-lolita related stuff at Witche's Follies? They promoted it as a "lolita-fashion get away weekend" and that you can "spend an entire weekend submerged in lolita fashion" yet almost nothing in their program is lolita-fashion related. False advertising much?

>> No.10273229

Are there any gothloli prostitutes in Finland? I'm super thirsty for dose princess dresses.

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