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Togs, has this ever happened to you?

I've been shooting cosplay for a few years now and enjoyed a decent amount of success. The vast majority of the time I'll plan a shoot with a cosplayer and after a few weeks we'll do it without any problems. But probably about a 3rd of the time, I'll meet a cosplayer at a con and they're really excited for a shoot, talk to them online and they're still really excited for a shoot. We'll decide on the outfit, themes, shots, even set dates to meet.

And then they'll just vanish. Completely, without a trace. All my messages will be on not seen and I'll never hear from them every again.

It's just so weird that they'd go 90% of the way to organising a shoot and then just (presumably) give up on it.

Any similar experiences?

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>>10125453
Cosplayers (with a media presence) are usually flakey people desu. I don't know if you're friends with any of them but a lot of them seem to be flying by the seat of their pants for cons and personal lives. I had to quadruple verify shoots for con A because they kept substituting for B & C UNTIL week of con A. Nobody ever gave me a heads up, they only made random announcements on their Instagram stories when the dropped/picked up the con again and again.

The EGL people however are super committed and consistent and l love them for that.

>> No.10125490

>>10125453
Do shoots with people who have less than 10k followers and you won't have this problem

>> No.10125535

Someone I know is supposedly friends with a lot of cosplay photographers and calls them her “bitches”, saying that they will do anything and everything she wants pertaining to photography

By this she means she takes two hours to get ready and pushes the photo shoot back a few hours because of that, making her friend wait on her and not be able to enjoy the con

If you’re a photographer just make sure you are firm with people if you don’t want to get walked all over

>> No.10125556

>>10125535
Strict "You get 15 min, otherwise 0 refund," for paid shoots and for friends I walk away tbf.

>>10125490
Eh, I've worked with huge people who aren't flakes, but you make sure to establish this early.

>>10125453
Its why I charge ( a small amount, no where close to high rates, its 2 hours of minimum wage), enough to say "Hey it's your money," for this very reason.

>> No.10125711

>>10125453

I now require deposits on all shoots because of the flakes.

The last time I made an exception was some girl who BEGGED me to not have to pay a deposit and that she would pay me at the time of the shoot.
I emphasized why I don't do that anymore and she begged and begged. I finally said okay and then showed up on time at the shoot, waited, texted, called, and 2 hours later she let me know that she had to cancel.

Never again. She ruined it for everyone now.


In my experience, always assume a cosplayer is going to need more time and going to have cosplay issues. Communicate as much as you can!

>>10125490
Solid advice, really.

>> No.10125875

>>10125453
Charge them for a shoot, and deduct the time they're late from they're shoot.

They book you for a 30 minute shoot and they're late 25 minutes, then they have a 5 minute shoot left. After that, you can take off or be generous and keep shooting, but they knew the rules.

>> No.10125927

>No refunds day of con/week before con
How many cosplayers have given you shit for this, even when you stated this upfront?

First time charging after shooting for free for a while and kind of worried the above is going to happen.

>> No.10126253

>>10125453
If they nodded along and then bailed last minute before committing, I hate to break it to you but they probably didn't want to shoot. If you have this problem over and over again, you are the common factor. Either they bailed when you gave them a price (either higher than the cosplayer wanted or they didn't realize you were going to charge them), or they never wanted to shoot with you to begin with and didn't know how to tell you no, especially if you asked them in person.

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>>10125927
If they don't agree with it, they don't have to shoot with you. That's literally what it comes down to. If it's a problem, go find someone else that doesn't have that policy.

You're good m8

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>>10126325
Thanks buddy

>> No.10127362

>>10125453
Tog here, I generally just walk around cons and only charge if they want to set something up ahead of time.
>>10125490
gold advice right here.

>>10125711
this dudes policy is good. I may pick it up as well.

I had pay me at the time of the shoot thing going i wasn't worried about refunds or anything but i was ghosted once after waiting for someone. not really heartbroken but that spot could've gone to someone else who Would have been able to make the shoot.

>> No.10128025

Why the fuck do 80% of male photogs look horrendously fat and unkempt?

>> No.10128136

>>10128025
Because they're neckbeards using photography as their ticket to approach cute girls who wouldn't give them the time of day outside of cons

>> No.10128816

>>10128025

Who the fuck cares so long as it's good photography.

>>10128136
Sounds like someone wishes they were better at taking photos.

>> No.10128819

>>10128816
Sounds like someone is fat and unkempt

>> No.10128838

>>10128816
kek did that hit a sore spot

>> No.10129420

>>10128025
Many of them are man babies and do not wish to grow up. Their infantilization get encourage by their dream of a cosplay girlfriend that will touch their penis.

>> No.10131196

>>10128816
Fat fuckin yikes from me bud

>> No.10131247

Not gonna lie, as a cosplayer the only reason I ever "ghost" a photographer is if they did something that really put me off in person but I don't wanna call them out directly to their face. Lots of attitude issues people don't realize are issues. Like you bet if I hear a photographer shittalking other cosplayers during our shoot I'm never gonna work with them again. I'm a girl who only does male costumes at cons, and you'd be shocked how many photographers take that as meaning I'll relate to and love the conversation of "oh wow its so nice to shoot something that isnt SLUTTY or a COSTHOT like xyz who's such a BITCH to shoot with." I've seriously ghosted like 5 dudes over that exact convo.

>> No.10131462

>>10131247
Big same. idk what dudes think they are doing by putting down other women to me. I'm not 'not like the other girls' teenager anymore.

>> No.10132017

>>10131247
Holy shit this, I’ve ghosted a photographer because when we’d shoot, he’d make up rumors about other cosplayers and how they were such shitty bitches who totally led him on and just couldn’t admit how interested they were in him to themselves. I told him I was busy the next few times but he kept insisting on planning shoots with me and messaging me over and over. So I just kept ghosting him until he stopped trying to shoot with me.

>> No.10132034

One thing I like to say to creeps who keep bothering me to shoot is that I specifically work with female photographers. Which is mostly true, though I also shoot with my male photog friends. But it gets the weirdos off my back without directly having to ghost them or tell them off.

>> No.10132041

>>10132034
Yeah, I straight up NEVER work with a man who approaches me first any more. I've had too many uncomfortable shoot experiences to ever trust it, even for nice free photos.

>> No.10132044

Love how clear the line is between photographers who started posting in this thread versus when cosplayers started weighing in.

>> No.10132058

>>10132044
The thread was about cosplayers ghosting photographers. I don't see a problem with said cosplayers dropping in to tell them why tf they're doing that.

>> No.10132111

>>10132017
Eugene Manning, Alex Kaplan or Gerardo Flores?

>> No.10132114

>>10132111
>Gerardo
How do people even still remember this guy?
Last time I saw, he was having a complete meltdown about being fired from his job and having his camera + equipment stolen. Even when he had his equipment, his stuff was bad enough to the point where no one seemed to acknowledge his existence.

>> No.10132235

Someone give me tips to gracefully ghost a cosplayer, or at the very least turn them down.
There are a couple that aren't the most pleasant to work with due to either being rude, obnoxious, incredibly demanding, etc. and I really have no idea how to say no.

>> No.10132264

>>10132235
>>>10132034

>> No.10132266

>>10132264
I'm the photog, not the cosplayer.

>> No.10132280

>>10132235
Just say you're booked?

>> No.10132281

>>10132111
None of those, but it’s nice to know that creeps always use the same tactics.

>> No.10132297

>>10132280
I usually post an ad on Facebook/insta about booking. If I bump up my ad on FB or post about having slots still available I wouldn't know what to tell the person I initially said "Sorry I'm full!" to.

>> No.10132302

>>10132114
He runs the video department for that Times Square convention Liberty City Comic Con last I saw someone mentioning him

>> No.10132303

>>10132235
I'm already scheduled.

If they come back and complain saying you already said you were booked but now booking again, say someone dropped out.

>> No.10132748

>>10132297
If you are doing it for money, shut the fuck up and bite the bullet to offer your services to people who want it.
I don't know how you book things but if you are too pussy to tell them directly, ask them their availability and then say you are booked at those times.

>> No.10132867

>>10132297
Don't listen to the first part >>10132748 , you don't have to shoot people who you don't want to
But yea, just ask them when and then say you've been booked for those times.

>> No.10133447

Another problem I've noticed, it seems with more and more people getting cameras, you also get more and more creeps... Then with all this coming to light about who's a creep in the photog world, Then you get someone new / not well known to the scene and that can kind of skeeve cosplayers away. Most, if not all of them would rather avoid the drama and just ghost. We all know how some people take to a person saying "No thanks"

The only thing you can do is build your portfolio the best you can, work with as many people are willing to and eventually it'll be easier to get gigs and people won't ghost on you as often.

>> No.10133520

>>10125490
Doesn’t always work, every single cosplayer I’ve had flake at the last minute has been under 1k
That’s why I’m going the deposit route from now on

>> No.10133534

i've had cosplay girls and some others that i've met at the cons ask me to accompany them to these shoots. seems there has been some shady stuff happening and aren't feeling safe.
it's also a reason why now i see setups inside the con in front of everyone.

>> No.10133537

>>10133520
Smart! only with friends I would not go this path. As a level of trust was built over time. Random people that reached out deposit route is what I do.

>> No.10133639

I generally shoot with women, they tend to be more reliable than guys.

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