larp thread - leather and latex edition

[Anonymous No.10103897]

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>>10056884

who is your prefered larp gear seller of choice in your part of the world? who should be avoided at all cost?

[Anonymous No.10103929]

>>10103897
I have a rivalry with calimacil and epic armory. One does great blades but flimsy guards while the other does vice versa.
But for garb I have a local shop that gets good gear, even gets Calimacil and epic armory weapons too.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10104319]

>>10103897
depends, for what?

But I had to abandon calimacil as they raised their prices that is simply unfeasible for this country. So I will only get new ones if I can get it for cheap secondhand from somewhere or just buy one of the several copycat versions

[Anonymous No.10104333]

>>10103897
Helgi's true history shop
Forge of Svan (aslong as it's for LARP)

[Anonymous No.10104403]

>>10104319
What country?

[hungarian LARPfag No.10104405]

>>10104403
Hungaristan

[Anonymous No.10104406]

>>10104405
Jesus christ I didnt see it was you. It's too early for me.

[Anonymous No.10104522]

>>10104319
The crowbar you have is cali right?

[hungarian LARPfag No.10104525]

>>10104522
yep but painted over

[Anonymous No.10104765]

>>10104333
>Helgi's true history shop
Absolutely based. I really want their Durso vambraces for my SCA kit.

[Anonymous No.10104792]

Freyhand. Best weapons ever

[Anonymous No.10104948]

>>10104792
Freyhand has some really dope stuff, Dunkelart also has some great weapons.
As far as clothing and armor go, i'm trying to transition to making everything myself.

[Anonymous No.10104958]

>>10103897
>>10104333
For weapons RustZeug, Dunkelart, Goldhammer and another who's name I forgot.

>>10104765
Got a group order for our Drachenfest team coming along the way. It's halfway finished.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10105772]

meanwhile yesterday arrived this leather kit I ordered from ebay, so soon I can be a failure with leather too.
Although some of the tools are shit, mostly it's usable and all in all worth the price

[Anonymous No.10105866]

>>10104319
OP here [albeit late -family emergency]
>depends, for what?
all all sorts - clothes, props, weapos etc is there one store you prefer for one type of kit and another for something els?

[Anonymous No.10105889]

>>10103897
>>10105866
I buy at CelticWebMerchant, but that's mostly because their stuff is affordable, not necessarily because it's good. Their customer service is really good, though.

[Anonymous No.10106792]

how do you guys clean used surplus stuff? especially hats and helmets, the kind of stuff that you can't exactly wash. I've been using disinfectant spray everywhere I can get it in the past, but I'm wondering if anyone has any better, easier or more successful ideas

[Anonymous No.10106869]

>>10106792
Don't buy surplus in miserable shape that you can't easily fix. I've had to give up several projects because its in such a sorry shape that I can't make it usable again without breaking it.

- If its drenched in moth repellant then I will drench it in the hottest water my tap can produce along with washing machine powder and the scrub the fuck out of it.
- Helmets and similar hardware will be scrubbed in hot water and immediately dried with a piece of cloth to minimize rusting. Leather straps are left to dry for a bit before being treated in grease.

[Anonymous No.10107269]

>>10106869
the helmet I just got which prompted me to ask is generally in great shape, I just get very vaguely icky about just starting to wear something someone else has probably heavily sweated in. my main concern is specifically with the inside (pic related), as it's some kind of leather and I don't want to fuck up its structural integrity.
I did the usual antiseptic/disinfectant spray but I feel like I could do slightly better still, as well - any ideas?

[Anonymous No.10107373]

>>10107269
>I did the usual antiseptic/disinfectant spray but I feel like I could do slightly better still, as well - any ideas?

You could drown it in a tub of hot water that has a dishwasher tablet mixed in it and let it fry for half an hour. But that could damage the leather.

Though in my opinion you should have accepted the state of surplus that you get for 9,99€ of Polish quality.

[Gropey_the_clown !g3AO.hFIes No.10107467]

>>10107269
50/50 mix white vinegar and distilled water, followed by commercial leather cleaner.

[Anonymous No.10107942]

Another update: I just finished putting in the metal eyelets (wrong, I know) and the top fabric. I'm almost ready to put the zip ties in and sew the bias tape around the edges. Then the straps go on. My rabbit chewed my planned cord for the spiral lacing so I have to buy something else.

I do plan to sew over the metal eyelets so it at least looks right. I was thinking of doing it with ribbon to make the eyelets look like roses?

[hungarian LARPfag No.10107947]

>>10107942
it might be a little late but did you put anything under the eyelets?

[Anonymous No.10107949]

>>10107947
What do you mean "under"?

[hungarian LARPfag No.10107950]

>>10107949
it's not a must have but sometimes, especially if you want to lace it tight and there is a lot of force on the eyelets it could fuck up a little of the look. Like the fabric is pulled way more at the point of the eyelets then between them.
So some people put a long piece of leather or some other half-rigid material on the line of the eyelets, under them (and obviously covered by the fabric) this way the pull from the lace will be more even

[Anonymous No.10107953]

>>10107950
Ah. I don't believe stays are meant to be laced tight. I just have huge tits and wanted the reinforcement so the eyelets don't bust on my..... Bust. There are five layers of cotton between the eyelets, and there are boning channels on the purple lines. Should be ok?

[hungarian LARPfag No.10107954]

>>10107953
probably. I've never made a corset only doublets and such and sometimes this is used there and seen a video about corset making that also used this.
But as I said it wasn't used all the time as far as I know

[Anonymous No.10108038]

>>10107953
I'm not sure about historical accuracy but if you have boning on both sides of the eyelets it should be reasonably supportive and help prevent warping from pressure on the eyelets, unless your zip ties are particularly flexible or the boning channels are too loose. Stays aren't usually particularly under pressure though compared to, say, a tightlacing corset, so I imagine you won't have too much trouble with that regardless.

[Anonymous No.10108040]

>>10105772
You can upgrade tools as you need too. They can get expensive, so I usually try to get one or two new ones with every job I do to sort of ease the pain of spending so much.

[Anonymous No.10108217]

>>10103897
Guys i have a leather jacket and i want to add embroided golden stuff for a cosplay, how can i do it without screwing the leather? uhu glue stick?
pic related

[hungarian LARPfag No.10108221]

>>10108217
what do you mean without screwing the leather? be it reversible or attach it in a way that won't damage it but won't be reversible either?

[Anonymous No.10108509]

>>10107373
>>10107467
cheers for the tips, I'll give them a shot. @ anon - yeah, like I said, it's generally in great shape, I just don't want to catch Polish war aids by just starting to wear the helmet as-is.

>>10108217
I mean.. generally embroidery is embroidered onto things? glue will never hold on to anything.
what kind of leather - real or fake, soft or hard? is your embroidery some kind of premade patch or are you stitching it in yourself? (bonus - if it's cosplay, why are you asking these things on the larp thread instead of somewhere like stupid questions thread?)
if it's a premade patch like you seem to be making it sound, your options are either sewing or gluing with something more hardcore than a fucking glue stick. do note that if opting for gluing, it will always look like shit and fall apart fast.

[Anonymous No.10108709]

>>10108221
>>10108509
sorry i was cleaning my house
It`s real leather, i`ll make the embroidery
I want to reuse the leather jacket after cosplaying Dragunov, it should endure a powahful performance
>why are you asking these things on the larp thread
i`m new on cgl, s-s-sorry anons

[hungarian LARPfag No.10108953]

>>10108709
>I want to reuse the leather jacket after cosplaying Dragunov,
have you considered neodymium magnets? make the embroidery on some patch of whatever, maybe a little peice of leather that has the same color than your jacket, put a thin metal piece on the backside of it an inside your jacket put a strong but small neodymium magnet. If you pick one that is strong enough it will surely hold it there and afterward you can remove it from the jacket without leaving a mark.
Probably there are other methods but that's what comes to my mind first

[Anonymous No.10109135]

Hello, i want a cool IC tent. A tent where my personal guard can guard me while i have conversations with other nobles, or while im working. What is a nice tent, that is easy to transport and a nice price? I want to sit there with around 6-7 ppl at max

[Anonymous No.10109231]

>>10109135
What's your budget, approximately?

[Anonymous No.10109291]

>>10109231
hmm.. maybe like 500 EUR max?

[Anonymous No.10109363]

>>10109291
Did you google medieval tents first?

I think this might be your best bet.
https://battlemerchant.com/Period-Tents/Viking-tents/Saxon-Tent-Jorvik-4-x-6-m-425-gsm-natural-colour::22572.html

Tripple your budget and you got yourself a very impressive tent.

[Anonymous No.10109366]

>>10109291
That's tough. Do you need it for play only, or do you need a perfectly wind- and waterproof tent for sleeping in?

If the former, making your own becomes a serious possibility. I'm no expert, but a fairly large A-frame tent seems to be a realistic larger-scale hobby project.

Second-hand buying is always an option, but only ever do that if you can inspect the tent yourself beforehand. Buying a new tent large enough to seat seven people is probably not going to be possible within your budget, but there might be someone in your local circle that's willing to make one for less than what professional stores charge.

There's always the ubiquitous Sahara tent, but it's not the best-looking of tents. If you're able to find something better, do so. If you're going to sleep in it, buy the Deluxe edition. It's a bit uglier, but the fact that it's actually properly resistant to wind and rain more than makes up for it.

[Anonymous No.10109372]

>>10109366

ive got a sahara 400 deluxe. but not really a big fan. I just use it as a sleeping tent.

[Anonymous No.10109439]

>>10109372
Keep in mind, the larger the tent, the colder it gets. Of course depending on the season, but if you don't larp exclusively in the summer, a tent too large is almost equal to sleeping outside.

[Anonymous No.10109550]

>>10109439
In my experience small canvas tents trap a lot of moisture inside. If you get a bigger tent you can always fit a gas burner inside to remove both cold and dampness if needed.

And no, if the temperature outside goes below 0C then you can burn as many candles as you can fit inside a small tent but it will still be freezing. Better to buy a proper arctic sleeping bag at that point.

[Anonymous No.10109741]

Never messed with chainmail before. Should I go bare skin underneath or find a good long sleeve shirt?
The look I'm going for is like >>10103897 but way less formal.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10109806]

>>10109741
always long sleeve, even without armor

[Anonymous No.10109834]

>>10109806
Would simple long johns be enough? It's what I usually wear under all my stuff for warmth. Just worried if I go the gambeson route I'm going to boil.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10109854]

>>10109834
technically you can use it on bare skin. I did it, you can survive it. But that said at least one layer of anything will make you more comfortable (also it will rust like hell if it is in direct contact with your sweat) so very thin layers of whatevers will be stained as fuck, but that's life.
Some people are like you have to get the thickest gambeson ever under it until you look like a Michelin figure but they are just way too worried that something might touch them.
On the other hand you can put over the mail anything you want even gambesons.
On pic is how a form fitted chainmail looks like and you can deduce that the undergarment isn't extremely thick.

Also you will get pretty warm no matter what, but as long as you don't use too much synthetics there will be no real problem

[Anonymous No.10109858]

>>10109439
I dont want to sleep in it. It will be a IC tent for discussing stuff and work, i sleep with my gf in the sahara

[Anonymous No.10109908]

>>10109741
a good linen shirt will save you a lot of trouble, as I've just seen from my co-fighters last night.

[Anonymous No.10109934]

>>10109854
Thanks Hungarian Bro. I will keep that in mind.

On the subject of tents, I've been spoiled by mountaineer wall tents since i was young. They give a lot of space, practically weatherproof, and if it's cold you start a fire in the stove. I haven't been to a big event but I wonder of anyone would make a stink about a single tent being not as period as the rest. Odds are no one would give a fuck since modern tents are also used but segregated to out of the roleplay area.

[Anonymous No.10110340]

>>10109854
>get smacked at the knee caps or shins
>disabled for a year, if not for life

Mail-era never made much sense to me. Did they pack their chausses extra thick at those areas or something? Solid piece shin guards have been around for more than a millenia by the time.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10110590]

>>10110340
they had shields. big ass shields

[Anonymous No.10111508]

>>10110590
Oh right, the good ol' shielderoo.

[Anonymous No.10111680]

>>10104319
>>10104405
are you a turantard?

[Anonymous No.10111706]

>blow my tax return on a whole new kit.
This is my life now.

[Anonymous No.10111712]

>>10109834
A linen udershirt + woolen shirt + quited or unquilted thkcker wool garment.
This is the golden combo.

[Anonymous No.10111720]

>>10109858
You could get a "Norman" style tent that has the flap that you can open up and use as a cover, or you could get a roman tent like this:
http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=1&Lng=en&IDProdukt=513&IDKategoria=8&IDPodkategoria=17

[Anonymous No.10111870]

>>10111706
>not gonna get any tax return
>just bought an apartment
>dont have any more stuff to sell
>still tempted to upgrade to plate armor for this larp season

I want out of the maille meme

[Anonymous No.10112522]

>>10103897
>order a new axe for larp
>says it's a larp axe
>it's hard plastic
???? for real, apparently it says it's hard plastic under the item description, but RIGHT NEXT to the name it says in bold "larp/sca/cosplay" so they need to change that up.

Anyone here try out Dammerung in the northeast USA?

[Anonymous No.10112524]

>>10112522
What site?

[Anonymous No.10112536]

>>10111870
but.... maille is sexy

[Anonymous No.10112538]

>>10112524
it was on ebay, I was just looking for some cheap weapons. I had already bought a nice shortsword for $30 so thought $36 would be cool for an axe. Guess not. It's literally a Spirit of Halloween toy prop thing.

At least I learned my lesson I guess?

[Anonymous No.10112586]

>>10112538
Yeah, 35 bucks for something latex that's not a knife sounds too good to be true.

[Anonymous No.10112622]

>>10112536
Yeah but it doesnt fit me, I have a /g/entoman neck so anything inevitable starts to bury itself in to my neck no matter what I wear underneath or how much modifications I make.

At least a cuiras will keep my back straight when I sit.

[Anonymous No.10112633]

>>10112622
>neck
throat*

[Anonymous No.10112728]

>>10112622
>>10112633
Sounds like a diet could be in order sir knight. It did me good.

[Anonymous No.10112790]

>>10112522
People write that kind of stuff for their stuff to be found easier. It's like you'll see 'Steampunk cosplay alternative cyberpunk biker goggles' and such. I suggest only buying weapons from dedicated vendors and such, or checking that kind of stuff beforehand.
Also, if people claim their product is both LARP and SCA-fitting, it might in fact just be neither.

Dammerung should be good AFAIK. A blessing on the U.S.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10112843]

>>10112790
>People write that kind of stuff for their stuff to be found easier. It's like you'll see 'Steampunk cosplay alternative cyberpunk biker goggles' and such

[Anonymous No.10112927]

>>10112843
>>10112790

Yeah, that's basically it. I'm gonna stick to dedicated larping websites from now on.

I asked because I went to the game 0 of Dammerung and wanted to see what others thought of it.

I've been to Dystopia Rising and it was a confusing mishmash of what the fuck am I doing here? Like if you did not go with a group of friends you're fucked.

Dammerung pretty much forces you to join in on events and things, it encourages better RP, and it sticks you with your faction and allows you to develop with them. It seriously is a blessing on the USA scene and I will support it as much as I can. The combat actually feels combat-y and it's the first larp I didn't use a dumb duct tape dildo boffer in either.

My character is an ex-thief Cernish ranger. I would do archery more but... I had no archery stuff of my own and am scared of losing someone else's arrows. I mainly use the shortsword, which is 27" but I'd rather something longer for frontline fighting but I guess I could borrow something lol.

Also that steampunk larp looks like a party

[Anonymous No.10112958]

>>10112728
Can you explain this a bit further?

A quick googling just directs me to "good posture will reduce fatigue and improve weightloss" or "your posture will improve if you have a diet that results in weightloss, since excessive weight will degrade your posture" etc.

I'm not fat, I consume veggies and fruit on a daily basis, water will get chunked, during work days I typically land at around 15000 to 20000 steps a day. I do eat junk food and drink soda when I feel like it but its not americany excessive. My neck posture is just a result of me playing to much wow on a crappy chair during my teen years.

[Anonymous No.10113026]

>>10112843
'Steampunk Roman Gladiator Samurai' was someone's first PC out there, I'm 400% certain of it

[Anonymous No.10113041]

>>10113026
More likely someone's last though kek

[Anonymous No.10113056]

>>10112958
At this point I'm confused too. Got pics of you in kit or of what a "/g/entoman" neck looks like? Thank sounds like physical therapy might be needed or a neckbrace. I'm not a doctor but exercising like running really helped my posture.

[Anonymous No.10113063]

So I got this buckler shield from a friend. its brown leather when the rest of my kit is black leather. Question I have is could I bit it with black shoe polish to make it black? It's a great piece but it definitely clashes with the rest of the set.

[Anonymous No.10113065]

>>10113063
Fuck me

[Anonymous No.10113076]

>>10113056
>Got pics of you in kit or of what a "/g/entoman" neck looks like?

Not the the ideal pic, also old, but you can notice that I still have a slight "haunching" even when I am straightening up my posture for a picture.

I am working on improving it passively by recognizing whenever I slouch to much and straightening up as much as I can. But the end goal isn't to make chainmail comfortable, I'm dumping that armor type entirely since I have a physically demanding job and don't want to put pressure on my back outside of work.

[Anonymous No.10113145]

Im want to build a weapon for my Npc char. Short explanation, hes a kind of Nurgle/Plauge/ Magican-Mechanic. I want to build a weapon that "injects" poison. I wanted to build a man-catcher with syringes, but i don't knke what to use as core for the catcher part of it. Everything is either to sturdy so to dangerous or to floppy. Any other ideas/Ideas for the core?

(sorry for bad Grammar, im german)

[Anonymous No.10113150]

>>10113065
Do you just want it really dark brown or black?

[Anonymous No.10113152]

>>10109741
I know im annoying but a gambeson.

[Anonymous No.10113167]

>>10113150
Black preferably

[Anonymous No.10113179]

>>10113167
Ok, i cant tell you what to do but i really think that you waste this cool buckler then. I just dislike black leather.

But if you want to do it, im guessing that the leather is "sealed"(sorry don't know the proper english word). If you paint it whith acrylics and put a flexible top coat on, if you have it even clear latex, im 99% sure that it will hold. But you maybe will get a uneven result while painting, so my tipp is that you use a lot of thin coats, like at least 10. You could als do one thick one but do that at your own risk. Or maybe use special leather paint, but im pretty sure it doesnt hold on sealed leather (at least leather dyes dont)

[Anonymous No.10113187]

>>10113179
And if I wanted a darker brown?

[Anonymous No.10113601]

>>10112958
they're just low key insulting you by hinting that your kit doesn't fit you right because you're a fat whale. ignore them.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10113624]

>>10113187
IF the leather is vegetable tanned and not chrome tanned then you can either use specifically leather paint that will paint it black surely or just put several layers of linseed oil on it that will make it darker layer by layer and you can go for kind of black too.

[Anonymous No.10114810]

>>10113076
Thats a pretty good looking kit. Got any more pics? And if you end up buying plate, don't buy a bunch of cheap shit that looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.10114830]

Question.
Do any of the larps that you go to/have went to use formations? You know, boars snouts, pike formations, spearwalls, shieldwalls, that kind of stuff. Since im a reenactor and i really don't know how you larpers handle that kind of stuff.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10114834]

>>10114830
on Drachenfest there are various degrees and quality of formations. Fortunately I'm in a camp that actually good with it, lot's of polearms, good discipline altogether and our leaders actually know what to do.

[Anonymous No.10114849]

>>10113601
Thanks but its actually a rather crappy kit. Lots of cotton articles from mytholon, cheap zinked chain mail shirt that doesn't match my darkened helmet. I'm quite good at making shields though and I've gotten some good rep for my shields, but it doesn't lift up the general quality of that kit.

>And if you end up buying plate, don't buy a bunch of cheap shit that looks like shit

Its gonna be budget though since its for larping. You get more costume points for having a decent handmade wool jacket underneath, and that is what I intend to do. Just gonna get some basic plate chest that is sort of historically accurate and neutral in design so that I can grab some hp points at casual larp campaigns and mix it with several different character designs.
What I had in mind: https://www.epicarmoury.com/metal-works/breastplates/milanese-armour-polished-steel-l/c-290/p-23633/?os=1
I was considering stahlgilde at first but I don't want to deal with ukraine postal services again for such a small order.

I plan on getting a full plate set in the future that is custom made to my measures and design taste, but that will be used for reenactment and such. Currently dreaming about the KA 6.3 kit on http://www.bestarmour.com/armour_6.html
I don't want to use an expensive armor at casual larps where it might get stolen while I shit or have unnecessary wear, while at the same time being at a disadvantage due to foam dick swords favoring light equipment.

[Anonymous No.10114852]

>>10114810
Thanks but its actually a rather crappy kit. Lots of cotton articles from mytholon, cheap zinked chain mail shirt that doesn't match my darkened helmet. I'm quite good at making shields though and I've gotten some good rep for my shields, but it doesn't lift up the general quality of that kit.

>And if you end up buying plate, don't buy a bunch of cheap shit that looks like shit

Its gonna be budget though since its for larping. You get more costume points for having a decent handmade wool jacket underneath, and that is what I intend to do. Just gonna get some basic plate chest that is sort of historically accurate and neutral in design so that I can grab some hp points at casual larp campaigns and mix it with several different character designs.
What I had in mind: https://www.epicarmoury.com/metal-works/breastplates/milanese-armour-polished-steel-l/c-290/p-23633/?os=1
I was considering stahlgilde at first but I don't want to deal with ukraine postal services again for such a small order.

I plan on getting a full plate set in the future that is custom made to my measures and design taste, but that will be used for reenactment and such. Currently dreaming about the KA 6.3 kit on http://www.bestarmour.com/armour_6.html
I don't want to use an expensive armor at casual larps where it might get stolen while I shit or have unnecessary wear, while at the same time being at a disadvantage due to foam dick swords favoring light equipment.

[Anonymous No.10114890]

>>10113145
How about just a regular spear with a prop poison bottle and a tube going to the tip?

[Anonymous No.10114924]

>>10114834
Damn Germans with their formations.

>>10114852
$200 for a mass produced breastplate is pretty high. I'd personally get something like Wisby Coat of plates with a fabric covering. But if you want to have the later aesthetic, i'd spend 70 bucks extra and get something like this:
http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=1&Lng=en&IDProdukt=488&IDKategoria=15&IDPodkategoria=45

[Anonymous No.10115055]

>>10113624
After some googling I found it's an epic armory piece and its veggie tanned. I have a project for this weekend then.

[Anonymous No.10115061]

>>10114830
Not really. My larp is strictly skirmishes with only 4 on the questing side with 3 to 10 on the npc. We run a lot.

[Anonymous No.10115365]

>>10112927
Dammerung looks good. I play the company's other game set in the Wild West. Its like DR without a lot of the shitty things that made me avoid DR like the plague. I haven't gotten around to Dammerung yet, but I have enough Norse/Rus garb and gear from the SCA that I should fit right in. If you show up to game 1 in March and see a guy walking around with a Gnezdovo helmet and a mail shirt, feel free to say hi.

[Anonymous No.10115709]

>>10114830
On the occasion fights are big enough, we usually have a wall of shields in front of polearmers and a small archer/arbalest unit on the side

[Anonymous No.10115756]

>>10114830
boffer person here, yes we definitely have formations. certain groups tend to just wing it (for example the goblin group just gets told where to go and they do their thing), but other groups have pretty elaborate setups with groups for specific purposes etc. the group I know best has one heavy line, one mobile line, one 'punch-through' group and then a skirmish group

[Anonymous No.10115958]

>>10115756
Being in a skirmish larp forever, I want to know what it's like to have a full scale battle with over fifty people.
I know I'd die instantly but just to watch would be sweet

[Anonymous No.10115973]

>>10114924
>http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=1&Lng=en&IDProdukt=488&IDKategoria=15&IDPodkategoria=45

I would but one campaign that I attend require that chest armor have front and back plates if they are to yield any hp. Its a 50/50 on costume aesthetics and game practicality for me, I don't want to go around looking like a professional foot soldier while statistically I'm just canon fodder.

Good recommendation though.

>>10114830
Depends on the rules of the campaign, but most times its just heavy infantry in center forming a shield wall or pike wall, and light infantry on flanks. In larger battles you can see people with spears/halberds/pikes or bows support the shield wall at the front.

Most advanced strategy I've seen involves unit maneuvers though, not formations.

[Anonymous No.10116153]

>>10115973
>campaign that I attend require that chest armor have front and back plates if they are to yield any hp.

Well thats just fucking retarded, seeing as most breastplates throughout history didn't have backplates.

[Anonymous No.10116260]

So I got my first set of chainmail in the mail. Is it supposed to be this greasy? Should I wipe it down or something? Help?

[Anonymous No.10116320]

>>10116260
i'd be more concerned about your apparent lack of gravity.

[Anonymous No.10116328]

>>10116320
He's probably from Australia, don't worry

[Anonymous No.10116346]

>>10116320
>>10116328
No time for science!
I wiped the excess off, rinsed it, and dried it. It's still got grease on it but now I'm not gonna be covered in it. Did I do good?

[Anonymous No.10116497]

>>10113065
Well I hit it with some black leather paint. I could go for a couple more coats but it's already ten times better.

[Anonymous No.10116705]

>>10116260
>>10116346
New stuff tends to come drenched to preserve the steel in transit/storage. Taking off the majority's a wise idea so as not to ruin your undergarments.

There's no harm in spraying on some oil or grease before you box it up between larps, though regular wearing of mail and the movement of the rings will remove most surface rust.

[Anonymous No.10116860]

>>10116153
If you want more rage fuel

>leather armor gives one hp, as long as it has a front and back piece
>gambeson does nothing
>full body plate armor needs special review from gm for it to give more than one hp
>chain mail hauberk that covers 2/3 of your body will only ever give you one hp, even if combined with a thick gambeson underneath

And despite that, its the best larp around these parts. Organisers keep things straight and simple to avoid complications, thus allowing them for a broader rule set, and they do the same with handling players. Power larpers hate that campaign since they cant bend on the rules or get their op characters approved.

[Anonymous No.10116876]

>>10116860
I've been baited. That's stupid. I could understand only getting +1 health wearing a gambeson, but if you only get that much with heavy armor. what's the point?

[Anonymous No.10116958]

>>10115958
in this country we have an event with a couple hundred (mainly highly organised) people every year, I've yet to go myself but everything I've heard is highly positive

here's a video that shows the cooperation off quite well, from a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC-nruq6dGA

[Anonymous No.10117394]

>>10116860
These feel like the kind of rules that no one has ever said "But why?" to. But i guess that easiest way to counter the "muh musht hab backplate" rule, is a Coat of plates like in pic related.

>>10116958
Sotahuudossa tavataan

[Anonymous No.10117395]

>>10117394
And of course i forgot the damn picture.

[Anonymous No.10117465]

So I saw a pic from a European (not sure of specific country) LARPer who had a pack like this.

I figure that fact it's vintage and made from fur and leather makes it "semi" accurate for a historical backpack.

After mine comes in from ordering it, what are some misc. items I could put in it?

A leather-bound copy of The Canterbury Tales and my mess kit are already slated.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10117466]

>>10117465
>I figure that fact it's vintage and made from fur and leather makes it "semi" accurate for a historical backpack.
you can get stuff like that from larpshops. And I rather won't speculate on the accuracy of it

[Anonymous No.10117614]

>>10117465
>>10117466
Cowhide backpacks was a thing since the napoleonic wars.

[Anonymous No.10117670]

>>10117465
Too late now, but in general when ordering vintage stuff: don't buy it unless you've seen it from all sides. Sellers sometimes conveniently neglect to mention that there are zippers on it.

As for filling your bag: a coin purse is always useful, and pencils/pens/feathers & paper always come in handy at random times. I personally carry a small sewing kit at all times on Drachenfest, because walking back to your tent for repairs isn't always feasible there. Lastly, if you have any medical experience and room to spare, bringing an OoC first aid kit is a sound idea.

[Anonymous No.10118775]

>>10117394
>>10116876
Organisers did a lot of reforms a couple of years back, very little about the armor rules though, but their policy is basically "no more changes" since it takes away focus from the game and creates a lot of drama no matter if its a good or a "no fun allowed" change.

Or in tl;dr, they drew a line and said stop.

[Anonymous No.10118890]

>>10118775
Our larp is getting an overhaul, a lot of shit had been non uniform for players and npcs. It all the way down to the spell lists were completely different. Hopefully when we get this 2.0 version we can get more people to show up0

[Anonymous No.10118977]

>>10118890
Prepare for the drama though.

Remaking a system typically creates a bunch of controversy since there is always a number of people who benefit greatly from an old system, particularly larps with spell systems since they attract snowflakes with no life except for that one time of the year where they get to pretend to be gandalf.

We had maybe a 100 people or so that left because their characters weren't invincible or über anymore over night, even the guys who got to keep their magical experience and choose new traits/spells in the new system got butthurt. Its understandable that some people would get upset since this campaign has been running for over 25 years, but for the better part it was npc characters or player characters that abused the system who got permanently axed, not the guys who have been going for ten years and reached the top level in their magical line. On the other hand I do think it was kinda childish to just leave, spells don't make a huge difference in the game mechanics since 90% are supportive in nature (ex: dark magicians start out with "interrogate dead", then they can raise like one zombie out of a dead player after like 7-8 years of attendance. Light magicians do stuff like "fear ward", buffs that counter dark magic mostly, and I think their final spell that they can attain is "resurrect" but don't quote me on that one), you mainly just want the role playing privilege of saying that you are a mighty wizard and attend rituals and some other prestigious shit.

Though this shitfest wasn't even comparable to the shield nerf they had eight years ago..

[Anonymous No.10119037]

>>10118977
Well that's the thing, players are getting MORE options, the real overhaul is that we are getting rid of elemental proof items. The old system stated that if you are fire-proof, all fire abilities and effects were ineffective against you. Easy right? but the way mages work is that you are committed to an element. So if I get a fireproof ring, i now can kill any fire mage with ease. It took them so long to realize that was why no one was a mage.
New system instead makes it so the "defining trait of each element" is what you are immune to. Fire's trait is most of the spells make the target drop their weapon or take damage (by way of heating the weapon). So being fireproof now means fire spells dont make you drop weapons. There are true fire based damage spells that you would still have to watch out for.
I hope it turns out ok, the head admin is personally looking at each character's stuff and adjusting it for the system.
No one really is invincible persay but we did throttle back on health rings and armor stacking.

[Anonymous No.10119039]

>>10118977
>Though this shitfest wasn't even comparable to the shield nerf they had eight years ago..
Storytime?

[Anonymous No.10119086]

>>10119037
If I were them I would just make such rings rare to the point that it doesn't need changing. But I don't go to any wizardry larps so I don't know.

>health rings and armor stacking.

I think hp buffs are cancer if it isn't a racial trait or armor related. It breaks immersion significantly for me personally, or is it a good functioning mechanic in that campaign?

>>10119039
Not as interesting as the mage nerf but it had a bigger impact.

>outside of safety regulations, there were no rules or guidelines for shields in the rulebook
>people would make kite shields as tall as they were and twice as wide, someone even made a round shield that was 175cm diameter
>hedgehog formations were invincible
>stalemates would end in brawls after some guy decided to tackle the issue head on (literally)
>final straw for the organizers was this one fine spring day when a faggot dressed in shields showed up at the check in

So they only allow shields to be 100cm tall after that. People got mad for real and my personal estimate is that up to 400 people quit the campaign as a result, which is quite a lot for a game that had at the times up to 1000 active players. Along with the mage quelling, and lack of new recruitment due to reputation impacts, the campaign is down to ~300 active players today with an attendance number of about 200.

I think the campaign is better today, there are no power larpers left to shit things up and combat is more dynamic without those cheese strategies.

[Anonymous No.10119135]

>>10119086
>someone even made a round shield that was 175cm diameter
Jesus my long sword is only 110cm. How these things dont get caught early and dealt with within an hour of the larp I dont know.

[Anonymous No.10119146]

>>10119135
It didn't pass through the check in because it was deemed unsafe to use, partially because it was unwieldy but mainly because it was brittle due to its size and had no structural reinforcements to make up for the thin plywood sheath.

I should have smacked some sense in to the guy at the drawing board but I didn't realize he was mad and serious enough to attempt it.

[Anonymous No.10119759]

>>10119086
Jesus i hate larpers sometimes

[Anonymous No.10120084]

>>10119135
>>10119086
Correction, plywood sheaths aren't made/sold wider than 140cm here, so it was probably 140cm in diameter.

I just remember it covering his entire body when held up.

[Anonymous No.10120112]

>>10120084
These are the people head should be a legal zone on

[Anonymous No.10120240]

>>10119086
>a faggot dressed in shields showed up at the check in
god I hope this guy was taking the piss, cause that's fucking hilarious

[hungarian LARPfag No.10120304]

>>10119086
it always boggles my mind how games with this kind of problems have ~1000 players when here we doesn't even have a quarter of that as larpers in the country.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10120367]

meanwhile intersting larp news:
Dziobak Larp Studios got bankrupt, and as it turns out all the blockbuster larps they made were a financial sinkhole from day one

[Anonymous No.10120383]

>>10120367
Big surprise there

[Anonymous No.10120384]

Has anyone ever been to legion siberian story by any chance? Am considering going with a few friends

[Anonymous No.10120446]

>>10115365
Hell yeah man. I'm one of the Cerns, probably one of the only ones with a wool hat lmao. Hopefully it won't be cold enough to wear it, but better to be safe than sorry.

Outta curiosity, what's Dead Legends? not have that DR does have? I know DR is crawling with this tumblry vibe, I can't describe it. The people are nice but uh, idk. No. And if you don't go with a close group of friends, imo it's hard to fit in.

[Anonymous No.10120543]

Made this out of a green tablecloth, gold silk curtains and a silk saree lining. Took ages. I bought the antler toggles

[Anonymous No.10120546]

[Anonymous No.10120582]

>>10120543
u look gay

[Anonymous No.10120628]

>>10120543
why all the visible seems though?
>>10120582
rude

[Anonymous No.10120721]

>>10120112
Kinda agree, though helmets should be mandatory at that point for safety.

Unless you have an axe or a very woobly sword, it gets impossible to take down someone with tower shield.

>>10120240
No idea if it was. But he did get slapped by the organizers and had his setup get classified as an armor. Wish I had seen it though, sadly no pics.

>>10120304
More people, more problems.

Haven't been to drachenfest and the like but I guess that the organizers at larger events are more "walled off" when it comes to player interactions. The main reason why the drama happens in the first place at this one is because people are open to discuss role playing with the gm, thus giving them the option to bitch about things when it doesn't turn out their way.

[Anonymous No.10120741]

>>10120628
It's by hand and I like that look for those parts. The base garment is invisible seams

[Anonymous No.10121020]

>>10120543
I like the toggles.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10121126]

>>10120543
>>10120546
my only problem is that the decoration is way too "blocky" but that's a subjective thing.

[Anonymous No.10122211]

Starting a big project with pintucking. I think I have autism

[Anonymous No.10122227]

>>10122211
You're also sewing the wrong part of Your pintucks.

[Anonymous No.10122250]

>>10122227
How am I meant to do it?

[Anonymous No.10123268]

Made myself a nice lyripipe hood today, it was suprisingly goddamn simple

[Anonymous No.10123298]

>>10123268
Pics or it didn't happen

[Anonymous No.10123306]

>>10123298
Can't post the pics here because my phone camera is busted and the photos my good camera takes are too good quality to post here. But the hood itself is made from the pattern in the Medieval Tailors Guide book. It just a single piece of fabric.

[Anonymous No.10123307]

>>10123306
>too good quality to post here

[Anonymous No.10123316]

>>10123307
Meaning that they exceed the file size limit of 4mb. Heres a photo that i managed to make under the limit.

[Anonymous No.10123499]

>>10123316
Nice fabric and stitching.

>Heres a photo that i managed to make under the limit.
It takes five seconds to compress/resize a photo in paint.net or gimp. Highly recommended, even for phone photos.

[Anonymous No.10123931]

>>10123316
Looking pretty good

[Anonymous No.10124005]

This will be for recreating the stanczyk painting body garment. Im not going to bother with diamonds, just these lines. I'll do a laced front.

What direction should I use? I'm thinking either slanted lines across the whole body
>////////
Or a V
>\\\\////
Or upside down V
>////\\\\

[Anonymous No.10124007]

It's actually this color
also should I go attached or tied on sleeves, I'm leaning attached. This is a 19th century painting of early 16th century

[Anonymous No.10124196]

>>10123931
>>10123499
Thanks.
Managed to cop 5 meters of herrigbone wool and atleast 3 meters of twill wool for 29€, so i might make a robe or coat with it to fit the 14th-century aesthetic.
Pic related.

[Anonymous No.10124913]

>>10124196
My larp needs more peasant get ups. At this point we might as well just be a nobility larp with all the nice garb, armor and adornments.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10124915]

>>10124913
import the gravedigger LLC to your larp

[Anonymous No.10124920]

>>10124915
I've been taking some of my extra garb and making it more ragged. I threw a tunic into the wash 3 times to get it to fade, ripped a bunch of shirts and rolled them in the dirt for a more stained look, I even took some black shoe polish to my brown pauldrons to give it a more worn look.
All we need to do is do peasant quests. Go back to killing rats in the cellar, but instead of progressing up the monster levels, we stay as peasants and drink a lot.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10124967]

>>10124920
>I threw a tunic into the wash 3 times
get a good knife, stretch the fabric on something and just simply go over on it with the blade a few times (you have to move the blade perpendicular to the edge so you won't actually cut it up, though a few minor cats here and there can help)

[Anonymous No.10125144]

>>10124920
Artificially aged stuff usually leaves you looking like a peasant from Monty python. But you can avoid this by not having useless pieces of fabric hanging around, you just have to wear normal larp clothes but just a little-bit more worn & torn.

[Anonymous No.10125663]

I'm hammering flat hundreds of bottle caps, and punching 3 holes in each so I can hand-drill them.

I feel like my neighbours should want to form a murder committee by now.

[Anonymous No.10125753]

>>10125663
That is why you should do it at night when everyone are asleep.

[Anonymous No.10125801]

>>10125663
What are the caps for anon? I too have many unused bottle caps.

[Anonymous No.10125885]

>>10125663
Some bottlecap lamillar?

[Anonymous No.10125986]

>>10125753
>>10125801
>>10125885
Bottlecap scale armour for a post-apoc costume, yeah.

[Anonymous No.10126770]

I made these hefty leather bracers for a costume, but even with a cloth undershirt and chainmail to help fill out my noodlearms I'm still worried they are going to slide. The inside of each has a buffer of EVA foam to help pad the piece.

Short of running jackchains down the arms, does anyone have any experience with this kind of problem that might help me?

[Anonymous No.10126903]

>>10126770
Get /fit/

[Anonymous No.10127037]

>>10126770
Extra padding I guess, just toss in something like a bit of rabbit's fur.

[Anonymous No.10127038]

>>10126770
>not taking the opportunity to do more arm days and skip leg days in the process

Eat more spinach.

[Gropey_the_Clown !g3AO.hFIes No.10127627]

>>10126770
...you have them backwards, Anon.

[Anonymous No.10127692]

>>10127627
Megaman character design might look a little backwards. Using another cosplayer to demonstrate.

[Anonymous No.10127695]

>>10127692
.. so are you doing a cosplay or what?

[Anonymous No.10127708]

>>10127695
Yep.

[Anonymous No.10127720]

>>10127708
you'll probably get better advice at >>10127595, tips for keeping those on in a fighting scenario will be quite different from how to keep those on during a slow con day/photoshoot

[Anonymous No.10128142]

what are some good ways of developing the debate between different fighting styles as a player

one of my favorite tropes in fantasy is the debate or competition between fighting styles, wether they are realistic (Meyer fencers vs Fiore fencers) or fantasy (fighting styles in game of thrones)

I can probably make up fighting styles that are based on simple principles (one plays with reach and staying away from your enemies, other is all about perfect defense etc)

what is the best way to spread it out and get more players roll with it?

[hungarian LARPfag No.10128152]

>>10128142
start the debate in a tavern. Disagree exclusively on very minor points and agree on basically everything else.
Like, you should disagree on WHY a very specific and rarely used stance should be called after an uncommon animal and how it resembles that stance and ONE, again, very specific attack you do from it.
After five minutes of shouting grab a dagger and stab the other motherfucker just to prove your "point"

[Anonymous No.10128202]

That feel when you get btfo in a duel and it inspires you to train and get better in character and out of character

[Anonymous No.10128212]

>>10128152
Stealing this

[Anonymous No.10128301]

>>10128142
Same here, my dude! I'm actually thinking of bringing up something similar in an upcoming LARP we have here in a month or so.

I think another good thing to do is to tak to your friends who are into this as well, and get them to come up with their own defined fighting styles so it actually feels more like a LARP-wide trait and not just your own thing. Might get others to make up their own styles as well for the next game. Of course, you should be vocal about it and all that jazz.

>>10128152
THEY ARE CALLED 'WARDS' NOT 'STANCES' AND I WILL FIGHT YOU FOR IT

>>10128202
Getting BTFO'd could be a neat experience too, though. What happened? Wanna share with us?

[hungarian LARPfag No.10128327]

>>10128301

[Anonymous No.10128358]

>>10128301
For out of game I've been running shit and doing admin stuff and that was mostly because my character was in prison for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Nearly took the fall for the slaughtering of a families estate. While I wanted to get back into fighting shape, when I was in character I was effectively in chains and forced to roleplay. Which turned into a lot of idle threats to guards and noblemen and really hyped up my ranger as a badass, especially when he's a war veteran.
The charges get dropped due to lack of evidence and 6 months later I get released out the front gate of the keep and told dont cause trouble. Now my Ranger up to this point had made a point to keep certain parties thinking he was dead. Appearing in court tends to fuck that up. So when I was released out the keep gate, I had an entourage of people I had either stiffed debts, pissed off or attempted to screw over in other ways.
Felt like the last episode of Seinfeld.
Now being cocky since I had hyped myself up during the roleplaying, I took all challengers right on the front steps into the keep. This is where I fucked up hard.
First challenger wipes the floor with me. I was really out of practice since the last 3 events I had been too busy running stuff to spar, or I was in chains. I got blown out to the point that the guards decided to break it up since common law is that I'm not out the Keep's care until I enter another residence and it would look bad if someone gets released from prison and immediately gets killed (Honestly I think it was because of how bad I got thrashed and because none of the npcs running it wanted to see me die within 5 minutes of getting out of jail.) The guards held me for the rest of the day while a healer worked me over and then released me off a supply wagon a couple miles out of town.
I thought I was hot shit but i wasn't. I lost a lot of face and now I'm back to the wilds hunting. Next event I'm doing less running quests and more sparring.

[Gropey_the_clown !g3AO.hFIes No.10129369]

>>10127692
>>10127708
You're trying to make something designed to be worn in a particular fashion work in a way they are not designed for. The guy in your pic dressed as Zero is using costume pieces made to fit, rather than trying to tard-rig fitted pieces.

start from scratch, basically.

>>10128142
Long story short, in the end, viable fighting styles end up being comparable due to the simple fact that the mechanical actions of the human body can only do so much (pic related). I highly suggest you go on to youtube and see if you can find the interview/documentary on the making of witcher 3, where they use a professional HEMA instructor/Dancer to develop the animotion captures for Geralt, and the balance between functional realism and fantasy. There is a reason that you don't see that much twirly BS in real combat.

This also said, people who don't know how to dance or fight trying to do either will always be cringe.

>>10128152
Is that original?

[Anonymous No.10129383]

>>10129369
Do you have any more images like that?

[Anonymous No.10129424]

>>10129369

I see a lot of differences in this pick. Everyone looks at the blade position (which is not always the same if you look closely) and ignore the posture, which is arguably far more telling.

Not that there are not similarities between styles, simply that looking at those,and minimizing the differences leads to huge misunderstandings.

[Gropey_the_Clown !g3AO.hFIes No.10129508]

>>10129383
Not quite... But pic related.

>>10129424
You also have to understand that you are looking at both medieval images drawn second hand by someone who doesn't have an exact knowledge of fencing, and highly ritualized Japanese sport.

The point is, the body mechanics are generally the same, and furthermore Japanese swordsmanship and swords is shit anyways. Even the Japanese agree with me on that: before the modern fetishization of the cult of the sword in Japan, calling a Japanese warrior a good fencer was an insult to their skills as a horseback archer.

[Gropey_the_clown !g3AO.hFIes No.10129516]

>>10129383
>>10129508
Ate my pic

[Anonymous No.10129564]

>>10129424
The Nip stuff is 20th century kendo. It's barely a martial art.

[Anonymous No.10129591]

>>10129508
>furthermore Japanese swordsmanship and swords is shit anyways. Even the Japanese agree with me on that

That is grossly inaccurate. Even in early sources like the Heike Monogatari, when mounted archery was in its heyday, they would still note that so and so was excellent with bow and sword. By the end of the Sengoku being an expert swordsman was a badge of honor.

And both Chinese and Europeans alike considered the level of swordsmen in Japan very high.

>The point is, the body mechanics are generally the same,

I can't see how anyone who has attended a few kendo classes and done Hema could say this. the footwork, the cut, I dare say the power generation are nothing alike.

[Anonymous No.10129594]

>>10129591
I'm a 4th dan Kendoka, I do HEMA, and I used to dabble in kenjutsu. I'll completely agree with clownfag on this. The body mechanics are the same, with only slightly variation. if you compare enough of any martial arts to a similar form, you will find that they can all be rendered to basic physical principles. The human body only moves in so many ways.

[Anonymous No.10129615]

>>10129594

I can see where you are coming from, so I will explain my position in more detail.

Of course there are similarities, the power should be generated with the lower body, not the shoulders, but look at the "cut" in hema and kendo. Fiore for instance says to cut from the teeth to the knee. Kendo on the other hand uses an outstretched cut, more of a strike really, which in solo practice tends to stop at about the chest or throat level. Every kenjutsu school is different, some cut like hema, others like kendo, and some like none of the above.

Anohter things is the use of the feed. Very few use the type of footwork kendo uses, which influences how kendoka should generate power, with there hip forcing power through the back leg, both propelling them forward and powering the cut. Its a rather idiosyncratic motion rarely seen outside kendo. The sliding footwork also requires a lot of getting used to if you are used to passing step. Its also very different from the lunges used in sabre and rapier. In kendo the hip is usually kept facing the opponent, rather than hanmi. While some arts generate power with a noticeable twisting of the hips, this is not usually possible in kendo, so they have to be utilized in other ways, such as compression and release.

Now you might say I am cherry picking, but if you do some of these things in an art where they don't do them, the teacher will often directly tell you it is wrong and expect you to correct yourself. To me, that means they are different.

[Anonymous No.10129619]

>>10129591
>I can't see how anyone who has attended a few kendo classes and done Hema could say this.
Because its fact. Ask any one who's not a mall ninja or Clements.

[Anonymous No.10129620]

>>10129619
And I would ask this theoretical anyone that if they are the same, why is the footwork and cutting mechanics and hip position radically different, and if they think this has no effect on body organization or power generation?

[Anonymous No.10129623]

>>10129620
Because you're too daft to understand that kendo is a sport with heavily abstracted rules and techniques that were once based off of kenjutsu. If you try doing a kendo men cut with a real sword against tatami you won't do anything close to what someone focused on a actual cutting motion like a kenjutsu or iado practitioner can do. Also the stance and footwork is far more rigid than you would actually use in a real fight.

It's like the abstractions that are put into place in Olympic fencing compared to historical fencing. same basic premise, but the rules put in place are done purely out of sport.

[Anonymous No.10129626]

>>10129623
I totally understand it, in fact that is one reason why the body mechanics are so different. If we were comparing hema to kenjutsu we might see more similarities depending on the styles we were comparing, but it was kendo that was brought up.

[Anonymous No.10129629]

>>10129626
>I totally understand it, in fact that is one reason why the body mechanics are so different
You're obviously not. The mechanical difference is like the difference between running and walking: application of the same mechanical motion. Most of your post is a bunch of empty fluff trying to justify your own misunderstanding.

[Anonymous No.10129630]

>>10129626
>that is one reason why the body mechanics are so different
But even still, they really are not different. You're just a pedantic twat.

[Anonymous No.10129634]

>>10129629
>>10129630
Not sure if your the same person but I will assume so.

Subtle differences are important, at least if you are studying anything formalized. There can be a lot of crossover, sure and if that is all your really interested in examine I guess that is fine, but I prefer to focus on what makes things different because I think it can give greater insight.

But still if we are comparing hema and Japanese sword arts than I don't think kendo is the place to start. Better to look at older styles or maybe world war 2 military sword stuff like batto.

[Anonymous No.10129637]

>>10129634
>Not sure if your the same person but I will assume so.
Nah but keep talking out your ass m8. Im >>10129594.

[Anonymous No.10129638]

>>10129637
fair enough, still disagree. I assume by empty fluff you are talking about this post>>10129615

would you care to break down what I am wrong about?

[Anonymous No.10129639]

>>10129638
It's already been said repeatedly. Different variations of the same mechanic are not a different mechanic. You can't seem to understand that.

[Anonymous No.10129642]

>>10129639
I guess I just do not see them as the same mechanic.

[Anonymous No.10129643]

>>10129642
Then you are an idiot. Simple as that.

[Anonymous No.10129644]

>>10129642
>I guess I just do not see them as the same mechanic
Admission is the first step of learning.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10129650]

>>10129369
>Is that original?
no, the pic is from SMBC

>>10129508
the problem is while the stances are somehow similar the context, the weapons, the intent and all that jazz is different. comparing just stances doesn't get you closer how two martial art system works, just how similar their stances.

The only thing that are similar is the abstracts (and even that varies) but the further you go down to the specifics the more and more differences there will be

[Anonymous No.10129656]

>>10129650
What we're talking about is the body mechanics the limits of the human body. In the end, it doesn't matter if you're using Fiore, kenjutsu, gatka, gung-fu or whatever, the body mechanics will end up being the same because you are still a human being.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10129658]

>>10129656
yes but there will be parts of it that some thing uses and some aren't depending on your purpose, context, weapon etc
Because OBVIOUSLY you will have to move your arms and legs and it's only finite way to move it and yet there are a shitton of differences like where do you target how big of the arcs, do you want to bind or not, are you more into thrusts or cuts or just hitting the other guy, is it an armoured fencing or without it, is it for warfare or just duels or something else.
The list goes on.

So as I said you can compare the abstracts, but the specifics will have enough differences that you can look at two fighters and you could tell that one is doing martial art X and the other is doing Y.

The real question is where do you draw the line for the abstractions, but that's already in the fields of martial arts theory

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>>10129658
>Different variations of the same mechanic are not a different mechanic

[hungarian LARPfag No.10129777]

>>10129770
that would imply that the mechanics are completely same, but in reality they aren't.

So again: yes, the human body can move in a finite way. But no martial arts uses all sets of those movements. They use a subset of movements that fits the purpose of the martial arts in the given context. Thats where the differences come from and make them even mechanically different although sometimes similar to varying degrees.

[Gropey_the_Clown !g3AO.hFIes No.10129908]

>>10129623
>It's like the abstractions that are put into place in Olympic fencing compared to historical fencing. same basic premise, but the rules put in place are done purely out of sport.

which, just like larp rulesets, all sports and martial arts have to have abstraction in order to maintain practicality. All we can do is minimize and mitigate such abstractions.

[Anonymous No.10129912]

>>10112843
Samurai armor

[Anonymous No.10132240]

anyone has a pattern for a good looking tabard or over armor cloth?

[Anonymous No.10132622]

>>10132240
I mean, it's truly a no-brainer to make a tabard look good - get some alright quality fabric, make a head hole in the middle (a fancy slit can already make a big difference, hem nicely or add different coloured fabric to the edges, add relevant insignia, add belt.

here's an (in my opinion) decent image for inspiration, courtesy of wikipedia

[Anonymous No.10132741]

>>10132622
Nice pic, I never realized to shorten the front until I saw this pic, I will do this to one I made

[Anonymous No.10132901]

Is asking for kit inspiration a thing here?

[hungarian LARPfag No.10132902]

>>10132901
yes

[Anonymous No.10132909]

>>10132902
Cool.
Basically, I'm looking for either fencer-type characters (=people who fights with sabres, rapiers etc) or general master swordsmen/spearmen that look really impressive.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10132914]

>>10132909
right now I'm in the middle of leather sewing so I will be slow as fuck but in the meantime try to think about specifics that you want to see

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>>10132918
heh nice skirt brostien

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>>10132922
First of all, thank you very much!
I'm not sure these fit what I'm aiming for though, so I'll try narrowing it down:

-I think I'm going for a 'higher level''. Like, these guys look great but they look like an average man with a weapon (Maybe except the last one.), while I'm looking for people who look like actual master swordsmen.
-Either fantasy, oriental-esque) or inspired by slightly later periods (17thC or a tad later, I guess? I dig some 16thC aesthetics too.)
-More details in the kit/outfit, I think it's what makes kits look better etc.
-Partial/light armour is cool

I apologize if it's too much or confusing!

[hungarian LARPfag No.10132956]

>>10132950
no problem, that's why I asked for more details because everyone means something different by "master swordsman" and the like

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Certainly getting there! There are some really cool stuff here that I might use.
Do you have any sabre/rapier users? Or that trope of 'European dexfags who wield a Katana but aren't weebs/neckbeards' if you're into fantasy as well?

I also might just post my kit advancement so far when I get my fencing gloves back, in case you or anyone else in this board would have some neat improvement advice/extra-creative roasts.

[Anonymous No.10133137]

>>10132950
Just to be clear... haven't you been talking about this concept for ages?

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>>10133137
I don't recall ever posting something similar here DESU. But:

A) I might be wrong, maybe I posted and have forgotten about it
B) I'm going to assume 'A guy who's astonishingly good at hitting people with a metal stick and looks like one too' isn't a very unique concept, so it's just as likely some other anon posted something similar.

[Anonymous No.10133461]

>>10132240
http://cottesimple.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/draft_and_sew_a_surcotte.pdf
Here.

[Gropey_the_clown !g3AO.hFIes No.10133683]

>>10132950
>these guys look great but they look like an average man with a weapon
>I'm looking for people who look like actual master swordsmen.

But that is exactly what a "master swordsman" is. Just a guy who's really good at fencing. There isn't exactly a symbol or uniform.

>-Either fantasy,
>-More details in the kit/outfit, I think it's what makes kits look better etc.
Like what? I know I can't be the only person who's at a loss here.

>oriental-esque
An Asian master fencer would still just look like a swordsman... Just in the clothes of their culture.

I can certainly dump 16th/17thC though.

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>>10133685
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>>10133729

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>>10133733

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>>10133734

[Anonymous No.10133863]

>>10133729
Fuck, I accidentally noticed the hand crossbow's stock doesn't attach to the middle of the bow and now I can't get over it and hate the whole picture. Why you gotta play me like this, optical nerve?

[Gropey_the_clown !g3AO.hFIes No.10133873]

>>10133863
Don't look too closely at the sword handles.

Thats why I hate 90% of fantasy crap.

[Anonymous No.10133883]

>>10133873
I very seriously considered complaining about >>10133733 as well, but decided there would be a strong risk of just being a whiny little bitch if I did.

[Anonymous No.10133887]

Okay lads, I've got a question here: are there any 17th century LARPs in Europe that allow fencing with steel, HEMA-style? I'm a HEMA rapierist and I would really like this sort of thing (I realize that masks and gorgets would be absolutely required but the gorgets could easily be hidden in costume or even visible in the form of an officer's gorget; I'd be willing to simply put up witht he mask which I don't see as more offputting than boffers).

Even a boffer-based one would be of interest as long as the boffers were thrust-safe.

[Anonymous No.10134064]

>>10133887
Does reenactment count? Since there is a 30-years war event in Grolle this year. The event is attended by hundreds of fighters and reenactors.
https://www.slagomgrolle.nl/the-battle-for-grolle/

[Anonymous No.10134212]

>need new string for bow
>string got frayed when a foot man in chainmail fell on it during a fight and got caught in the rings
>15 bucks
>notbad
>30 for shipping
>they are only on the other side of the state
What's up with horrendous shipping costs? Put the fucker in an envelope.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10134251]

>>10134212
hey at least you actually get what you paid for. Not, for example, pay for it and never receive anything.

[Anonymous No.10134360]

>>10134251
You're right.
Worst thing is that I grabbed a new quiver and harness after seeing that shipping price. I was going to get them anyway so might as well make it worth the shipping.

[Anonymous No.10134457]

Hey hlf, could you post some landsknecht pictures? I'm trying to come up with my own design and need inspiration for it.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10134480]

>>10134457
if it can wait until tomorrow then I could even post pics from this book and of course my other pics too

[Anonymous No.10134554]

>>10134480
No problem, I have time.
Oh, and italian rennaissance fashion is fine too. The group I'm with are playing a bunch of mercenaries from Tilea (Warhammer Italy), so I was thinking about a more body fitting approach of the usual landsknecht garbs.

[Anonymous No.10134763]

>>10133883
That sword handle is historical schiovona

[hungarian LARPfag No.10134831]

>>10134554
>Oh, and italian rennaissance fashion is fine too.
Well... I mean it's 2019 I won't tell you what should be your sexual orientation.

Anyway the big question is what kind of LK cloths you are interested because I have a shitton pics. You already said it's for a larp so I will include larp versions too (have some warhammer fantasy LK stuff too)
But is there any other preference apart from be it slightly form fitting?

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>>10134831
Just looking for different color combinations and ways of slicing the outer layer.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10134855]

>>10134853
basically you can do nearly anything. There are some variations and stuff like the way you slice might indicate if you are swiss or german and stuff like that but for a larp it isn't really important and even n reenactment it isn't really confirmed.

Although if you really want form fitting stuff you doesn't really have that much options on the slashing

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>>10134763
Yeah, so what's it doing in the hand of a musketeer? And you know the guy meant for that sword to be a rapier too, just look at the cup hilt with no quillons in the back, that artist's no stranger to absolutely fucking up on every level.

[Anonymous No.10135203]

>>10134984
The sword is correct, its everything else that is wrong

[Anonymous No.10135503]

>>10103897
Hey guys. I'm gonna be running with a group based on medieval France and the chivalric literature genre. These guys are notoriously tight on costuming, and since I've friends with a few of them they've offered to loan me some gear. I thought it would be cool to at least attempt to make my own though. Also because my /o/ related projects are all done at the moment and I want to try my hand at something new.


Anybody able to point me in the right direction? I've made base level t tunics and shit before, but they look, well, like t tunics. I have access to a sewing machine and I'd really like to try and make a pattern, and do this right. Anybody able to spoonfeed me links that aren't either dead or literally cutting a hole in a blanket?

[hungarian LARPfag No.10135540]

>>10135503
goggle up the "medieval tailors assistant" pdf it should be in the first few hits. That has basically everything you need for a start

[hungarian LARPfag No.10135586]

anyway back to landsknecht pics as I'm still sitting home ill and I start to hate leather sewing again

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I might be joining a local fantasy larp soonish. The current state of costuming is really terrible and I'd like to be a cut above the rest. If I make a linothorax (out of white linen) without the tassels and Greek art do you guys think it'll pass for a sort of byzantine look? Wanna be an elf from an "eternal city"

[Anonymous No.10135780]

>>10134866
fucking sexy, also the gal in the dress is nice too i guess

[Anonymous No.10135879]

>>10134866
Yo what's that Haori-like thing the man is wearing?

(Also, obligatory BLUUUU MAROONE because of his colours

[Anonymous No.10135890]

Did anyone go to Dammerung last weekend? I've been seeing some cool pictures trickling out of it.

[Anonymous No.10135893]

So did a quick Herigaut to keep me warm at night when I'm done reffing, made it with scraps from other projects all in all a day and a half's work.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10135894]

>>10135879
ehh, can't remember the name right now. Some kind of overgown which isn't such a broad term that doesn't really mean anything other than stuff that you wear over your regular cloths, at least in the 16th century. In the 15th century the gown is slightly narrower term.
Also if you want to look up similar stuff there is always the various kinds of waffenrocks or rocks (which isn't an english rock hence why mostly isn't used on itself outside of german speaking countries)

[hungarian LARPfag No.10135906]

>>10135893
Looks good.
My crafting at the end was just a few hours today and only managed to sew down roughly ~20 cm but put somewhere around 4 meters of thread in it so there is that

[Anonymous No.10136275]

>>10135906
New leder wams on the way for DF?

[hungarian LARPfag No.10136285]

>>10136275
nah, just new side bag. Also shoes when I get there.

[Anonymous No.10137399]

>>10135893
>WASBEURT
>danelaw

[Anonymous No.10137681]

>>10136275
>Lederwamse

I know what it is, but just a funfact:
This word is so unused that when I google-photo'd it, it offered 'cgl cosplay' as a search filling.

[Anonymous No.10139242]

>>10135893
So, I'm back from reffing (and playing a minnesanger after my shifts) and I have a question for all the refs in here: when players give you little in a ritual but you still feel like they should still succeed for a whole scale of reasons, what kinda tricks do you guys have to guide the players a little in the right direction during their ritual?

>>10137399
It clearly says "Finish" on the screen bro :^)

>>10137681
HLF made us overuse the term so much it's now literally embedded into us by Google.

>>10135906
What kinda shoes ya going for? Frogmouths for your knecht, otherwise anything that isn't intensely large poulaines won't suffice.

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>>10115365

Did you happen to make it to Game 1? I found it pretty enjoyable for an Amerilarp.

[Anonymous No.10139247]

>>10139242
>HLF made us overuse the term so much it's now literally embedded into us by Google.
I never used that term in my entire life. Try to get a different scapegoat

>What kinda shoes ya going for?
bearpaw, obviously

[hungarian LARPfag No.10139248]

>HLF made us overuse the term so much it's now literally embedded into us by Google.
I never used that term in my entire life. Try to get a different scapegoat

>What kinda shoes ya going for?
bearpaw, obviously

[Anonymous No.10140488]

>>10103897
I'm the uk light armouries are great

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>>10140488
*in

[Anonymous No.10140511]

You guys think it's possible to do something like this without it looking like some naff giant onesee

[Anonymous No.10140686]

>>10140511
yeah but you gotta be BUILT

[Anonymous No.10140865]

>>10140511
I'm pretty sure they looked like they were fighting in pajamas even back then.

Roiding up might help though.

[Anonymous No.10140901]

>>10103929
>buying from either of those commercial, mass produced places
>paying money for injection molded bullshit (both) that has seams on it (calamacil)
>not supporting craftsmen like Eldritch or Light Armouries or Saxon Violence
I thought this thread was better than that. I'm fucking speechless.

[Anonymous No.10140918]

>>10135890
Yeah I made it. I was the Cern with the blue pants. Hello!

[Anonymous No.10140921]

>>10140901
No one ever recommends or points out small item manufacturers.

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>>10140921
Maybe it's a UK larp culture thing, but the majority of larps I've been to are very loud about recommending indie makers like the ones I listed and massively dissuading people from supporting the mass produced stuff. One of the country's biggest events (Empire) is almost like a con for these makers to sell their stuff, and a lot of Calamacil stuff especially doesn't pass weapons checks at the big larps. Club larps like at universities often have armouries too where noobs can try weapons by many different makers, the most mainstream weapons in the club I started at were Medlock and 90% were Eldritch, Saxon Violence, or other smaller makers.

[Anonymous No.10140933]

>>10140901
Calimacil is great for when you need a larger quantity of low-maintenance weapons, like when outfitting NPC crews.

Epic Armoury is great for distinct-looking yet cheap weapons for when you want to invest your costume budget into more important things.

Furthermore, such mass-produced arsenals are ideal for starting larpers, who need something generic. They don't have any idea what kind of custom item they want, nor the time to wait for one. Sure, ultimately you want to move on to custom pieces, just like you ultimately want to move on to custom costumes. In the meantime, there's nothing wrong with store-bought.

Out of curiosity, what's your problem with injection moulding? I've never heard anyone specifically complain about that before.

[Anonymous No.10140936]

>>10129615
Fair but this doesn't sound very useful for larp. Same as fencing. Most larp fighting is no-stab which makes the style needed very different and kind of its own thing vs historical or modern martial art styles.

[Anonymous No.10140945]

>>10140925
>Club larps like at universities often have armouries too where noobs can try weapons by many different makers
Your experience with uni clubs is very different than mine, then. Our administration is pretty shit, we used to have no clue what brand half our arsenal was (or where they came from in the first place) until we phased out all non-Cali swords for Cali ones. Mostly because those won't break as much when handed to morons during the university introduction week, and also because we want everyone to have a sword of equalish length. The only other club I've ever been at also was actively standardizing their equipment.

Must be a difference in larp culture then, as you say.

[Anonymous No.10140948]

>>10140933
I only just realized that the guy I responded to was talking about indie manufacurers, not necessarily custom stuff. I'm tired. Ignore the third paragraph.

[Anonymous No.10140955]

>>10140933
>Calimacil is great for when you need a larger quantity of low-maintenance weapons, like when outfitting NPC crews
I appreciate that kitting a crew can be hard but I disagree very strongly. Calamacil is not lower-maintainance than a good latex weapon, and there are some makers who do batch orders at a very reduced cost. Eldritch, for example.

There is a midway point between bottom-of-the-barrel stuff and a custom weapon. Many indie makers have ready stock available, I thought that was common knowledge. Medlock and Eldritch have plenty of generic styles available that are perfect for new larpers and not significantly more expensive than Calamacil or Epic Armouries. Even Mike Light has standard stock, though his weapons are probably the best in the UK aves therefore are at a higher price than the other two.

In any case, most of games I've participated in or run encourage new larpers to borrow rather than buy, whether from an older larper, from a game's armoury, or from a ref. I have five standard swords (three 36inch, two 42) that I keep separate from crew kit specifically to lend to newer larpers at Empire. That way, they're more likely to start off using a good weapon and are less likely to hurt someone with a substandard weapon. It helps them learn more quickly and means they can save up (or more often just buy) for a standard weapon made by a superior maker.

(cont'd.)

[Anonymous No.10140967]

>>10140955 Continuing

The issue with cheap injection moulded weapons, and I've especially found this with Epic Armouries and older Medlock, is that the latex hardens in the winter or sometimes just in the cold at night. This changes the force of the impact and the way it swings. In the hands of an inexperienced larper, this can lead to unnecessary bruising or unsafe fighting. The issue with Calamacil is even worse: not only are the swords themselves already harder and heavier than ideal for larp fighting, but they also have seams down the sides which can rub on skin and catch on kit. Also, the rubber they use for their handles can be dangerous, I've seen some nasty bruises thanks to them.

Finally, it's very easy in the UK for new larpers to pick up good kit second hand. Club larps often hold freecycles, and there are many Facebook groups for selling, buying, and trading secondhand gear. I can list some names if you like. But my first sword was a 42 incher I bought from one of those groups for £20, it was three years old but had seen little use. That's one of the swords I still lend to noobs today.

Last thing, a bit unrelated: Anyone who borrows a sword from me has to spend 10 minutes at the end of the event cleaning what they borrowed and putting silicone on it. We froth and laugh during it, it's not serious business and I've been told that it helps people associate taking care of their kit with fun. It's the bit I do to try to help spread a good larp culture and encourage good habits in new people. If where you are doesn't have a warm and welcoming culture and you'd like to see more of that, have a think about what you can do to encourage the behaviour you'd like to see! When I was new, older larpers put effort into helping me, so I try to do my best for the new folks now. It's a kind of pay-it-forwards thing.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10141230]

>>10140955
>Calamacil is not lower-maintainance than a good latex weapon
but they are. You don't need to spray them with silicon, you don't have to care about the UV light they get, they aren't very likely to get deformed during travel or if accidentally pack something on them, etc.
They aren't pretty but basically a workhorse of larp weapons. If you actually want to talk shit about them call out how they got insanely expensive in the last two years.

I never got why so many people hate calimacil or insist that they aren't safe but for me it's one of the red flags of elitism if a game doesn't allow them

>>10140967
>The issue with Calamacil is even worse: not only are the swords themselves already harder and heavier than ideal for larp fighting, but they also have seams down the sides which can rub on skin and catch on kit. Also, the rubber they use for their handles can be dangerous, I've seen some nasty bruises thanks to them.
we use calimacils at events where people who doesn't know shit about fighting can try out these stuff. Sometimes more than a few hundred people a day. you can see people who are barely touching each other to retards who go full force swings.
None of these events resulted in any serious injuries in the past 6 years and we mainly use calimacil because any other kind of larp weapons got destroyed in the heavy use or just became unsafe.
So I call bullshit on your statement.

[Anonymous No.10141328]

>>10140955
To add to what Hungarian just said, I'd argue that Calimacil weapons require less maintenance than others because they require literally zero maintenance. When your club has less than two hours per training, those ten minutes needed to clean a weapon makes a large difference.

Furthermore, I've seen Calimacil weapons take punishments that would have destroyed most other weapons. I've held enough broken Calimacils to know they aren't unbreakable in the hands of the wrong people (seriously, how the fuck do you manage to snap the core of a larp weapon by accident?), but the sheer number of scratches and dents they can have without any loss of functionality is an important benefit for me.

Calimacil also suffers from a large number of urban legends. There's a lot of rumours which are not true or not true anymore. Sure, Calimacils get harder when it's cold, but there's quite a lot of people who believe that all Calimacils freeze solid at sub-zero temperatures, for instance.

>The issue with Calamacil is even worse: not only are the swords themselves already harder and heavier than ideal for larp fighting
I don't want to sound like one of those people who think they're cool for getting bruises from larp fighting, but your argument is awfully subjective. I've heard more people complain that Calimacils are too light than that they're too heavy. If anyone has a problem with the impact of Calimacil weapons (granted their opponent follows the safety rules), I honestly think that's just them having unrealistic expectations of a physical activity where you swing stuff at each others.

Then again, I'm from across the channel, so that might just be cultural differences.

[Anonymous No.10142159]

>>10140955
Can I get a list of good, English weaponbuilders for LARP then? Looked up Light Armoury and the stock weapons he has didn't really impress me.

I need something which is heavier and more robust than Cali stuff, preferably with more weight to it. The pound drop makes ordering overseas instead of somewhere in Germany a lot more interesting!

[hungarian LARPfag No.10142165]

>>10142159
Have you tried hammerkunst? Its heavier and kind of robust. The shittiest one i've encountered too but otherwise it fits your needs

[Anonymous No.10142176]

>>10141230
To echo you Hungarian, it's all depending on the person. I've taken a full swing from a calimacil club (it was the dentist I believe) and while it stung, i knew it would have put someone else on their ass. Also since i use the Treville Rapier (pic related) I have gotten reports that my thrusts are harder than my slashes. That's par the course for calimacil but i can't help but notice it's always the ones who get worked up after getting hit. Better yet it's the fighters who never figure out I'm hitting at the same spot and they wonder why their right side hurts after taking 4 blows to the same rib.As the noob trainer at my larp, I've taken a lot of hits to the face, hands and groin from untrained fighters and mostly shrug them off. Running joke in training is that whoever finally puts me on my ass gets to take my place as the new whipping boy.
Also in the end, if it works who are we to judge what weapons vendors we use. Hell now I got a few more to look and my bank account will probably suffer some more.

[hungarian LARPfag No.10142189]

>>10142176
don't get me wrong, the hits from a calimacil can be absolutely painful. We use them at our hema trainings too for fights without safety equipment and there are more eye-hits that we are willing to admit. But apart from being painful (because something just violently poked your eye) it never has any lasting effect. Be it a thrust or a swing or anything else.

We have a shitload of experience with other stuff too used it extensively, from the shop versions and home made stuff too but we always ended up at calimacil for the durability and it's safety. (though we ordered a few weapons from larphandler because they might be more cost effective than calimacil)

But at the end of the day most larp weapons from proper sellers are safe enough for most games (disregarding what their organizers think) with the only exception to stabbing as that can vary a lot. The main difference mostly come at sustained use or when people doesn't control themselves/don't know how to use it safely.

[Anonymous No.10142248]

i wanna order a flail for larping but im not sure who i should get it from.

thoughts and insights about flails in larps?
practicality aside since this is larp fighting im going for the "cool factor".

[Anonymous No.10142258]

>>10142248
Triple-check your local safety rules before getting one. Larps often get REALLY finicky about flails.

Always get one with a leather "chain" instead of a latex one. Chains have the habit of snagging a bit, so you want the chain to be strong enough. I've seen one flail with a quick-release system so that it opens when pulled on with enough force, that's ideal but probably expensive.

Flails are... not really that good, from a combat perspective. You can't parry effectively with them, and all their attacks are horrendously straightforward and telegraphed. You pretty much NEED a shield for them to be effective in the metagame of most larps, but that applies to nearly all one-handed weapons so eh.

Their only combat advantage is that they're difficult to block or parry, since they wrap around weapons and shields nicely. If people are unaccustomed to fighting flail-users, you're bound to get a few hits in before they know how to respond to flails.

Other than that, flails look rad as shit. If you're fighting people you'll know, they'll make a show out of being hit because, again, flails look rad as shit. I personally wouldn't prefer to use flails except against NPCs I knew OoC, because flails are only going to compensate for their downsides if people are willing to make a show of it.

[Anonymous No.10142264]

>>10142189
That's a Texas sized 10-4 over here. Unless you are on a tight budget, my larp always recommends calimacil or epic armory. Half is because we actually have a local store that stocks them (Goblinsmith for those interested. They can ship just about anywhere) so we can even handle some of the generic stuff before buying. In the past two years I've only seen a handful of dildo swords out in the woods since we all started buying from our local guy.
Now if we could get our newer people to buy/construct garb.

[Anonymous No.10142266]

>>10142248
Small or full sized? I've seen the small ones work well and the full sized are a pain to maintain and never look good.

[Anonymous No.10142267]

>>10142159
What sorts of weapons are you interested in? Light Armouries is mostly good for rapiers and fast swords rather than anything heavy. The may not look like much, but what makes them shine is the construction and weighting. Still they really aren't for everyone and every maker has their own specialty

[Anonymous No.10142269]

>>10142258
>Always get one with a leather "chain" instead of a latex one

Why didn't I think of that before, that solves a lot of issues and makes it practical to make one by yourself!

Boy am I gonna go crusade this summer, tower shield cheesing and all. Not that anon but thanks for the suggestion!

[Anonymous No.10142270]

>>10142267
Not him but I like my rapiers as much as the next person. I want to take the plunge but I've always had to opportunity to handle what I'm buying before paying. What's a good rapier model light armories sells?

[Anonymous No.10142283]

>>10142258
>>10142266
any would do.
cool, where should i order one from?

[Anonymous No.10142353]

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[Anonymous No.10142945]

>>10142165
HK is, although kind of low quality, pretty decent for getting weapons you can just rag on a shield line or at a big event like Drachenfest and Conquest (I've lost a lot of beautiful latex weapons there.)

Besides that HK is kind of shit. It's good for the price-quality because of it's cheapness IMO.

>>10142258
As a flail guy, just use them for duels and other flashy moments. They're absolute shite in a linebattle unless you get a farmer's flail. A.k.a it's a pole-arm.

>>10142267
Mainly maces in the 70-80cm range and bec-de-corbins/ravens' beaks/rabenschnabels either on a pole or on a short haft. Looking for durability and weight, with a good look in a basic style. Not afraid to fork over 80-110 for a short and 150-180 for a pole.

[Anonymous No.10143567]

>>10142165
Don't you ever recommend hammertrash to anyone, their weapons are way too hard and break fast, though we did once use one of their hammers for actual nailing.

[Anonymous No.10143571]

>>10142269
Keep in mind that the chain has to be short enough to not be able to wrap around someones neck.