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What Not To Wear At a Wedding Edition
Previous thread: >>9998559

>> No.10002576
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>those fuckhairy legs

>> No.10002577

Bitch needs to shave

>> No.10002584

What's going on with her bangs and hair tho?

>> No.10002588

I tried using a really sheer top under one of those really short sleeve OPs that's basically a jsk and when I saw the picture I took of my coord later I cringed at how bad it looked. this looks 50000% worse, and that's just in regards to the blouse.

>> No.10002592

The bag looks cheap

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>> No.10002606

Holy hell this one really burns my eyesssss

>> No.10002607


>OP, those legs are CLEARLY photoshopped
>Common now.
>Goes to original post on CoF

...Oh Jesus. Oh my god.

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The perfect bride

>> No.10002609


You have to post the comment she made for this coord -

>My friend got married today! This is the coord I wore to celebrate her marriage (don't worry, she encouraged everyone to outdress her, but of course no one did).

>> No.10002610

Without this comment she would have never reached the fame on cgl

>> No.10002611

What's wrong with hair on legs?

>> No.10002613

>she encouraged everyone to outdress her

W...why would a bride want everyone to do that?

>> No.10002614


It's gross? On men, sure, but on girls in a hyper feminine fashion, it's fucking nasty. Take ten minutes out of the week to do some light maintenance on your body ffs, you lazy asshat.

>> No.10002615


D...did this girl think she was even close to that? Wow, now I want to see what the bride was wearing...

>> No.10002617

Is maybe trans? I know a few trans girls that are very proud about body hair

>> No.10002618

Tell them not to be.

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For the perfect groom

>> No.10002628

Nasty body hair plus unkempt matted hair that looks almost like an attempt at locks seems more to me like some fakewoke hippie shit but just as annoying as transtrenders

>> No.10002634

This is like asking what's wrong with beard's on a brolita. It does not, and never will, look good.

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>> No.10002643

maybe I’m optimistic but I think he did this intentionally for laugh, not seriously trying to be a lolita

>> No.10002644

that’s even worse

>> No.10002648

"Bearded manly man in frilly girly dresses" stopped being funny like a decade ago.

>> No.10002658

Do...do you guys not know who Ladybeard is??

>> No.10002659

Aren't there like a good amount of lolitas who don't shave because who fucking cares about body hair anymore

>> No.10002660

I do know who he is, I just don't find him entertaining or funny at all. And he's definitely ita.

I think it's fine not to shave so long as it's not obvious, that is, if you wear OTKs or tights and so on. Showing your hairy legs in lolita is not cute.

>> No.10002662

You can know who he is and still think he’s annoying.

>> No.10002666

Every day we stray further from god's light and need more access to flamethrowers, just to combat this plague of degenerates.

You keep telling yourself that. Does you PCOS give you sideburns that you dye blue? Because I've seen it all on genderspecials.

>> No.10002693

she(?) looks like the dad from cory in the house

>> No.10002701

I know he fucked a couple of underage girls in Japan and he dresses like a middle schooler with money

>> No.10002708

It is a girl I think, has an ig lolita profile

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>> No.10002716

Fair enough, just sounded like people thought he was a rando

Also I didn't know that last bit and i'm concerned now

>> No.10002728

My legs are covered up in lolita. See no reason to shave.

>> No.10002731

I keked

>> No.10002732

How is this ita

>> No.10002743

Not saying I don't believe you but I rly want the deets

>> No.10002751

This is a man, right? They look like they lost a bet and had to dress in their sister's clothes. That hair is awful, and the attempt try and make a 'fringe' from it is just scary. They should have at least shaved their arms, worn a higher necked blouse, and maybe worn a wig. They've got a very masculine face so it's not like anything can really be done about that, except maybe thinner eyebrows and a wig with a fringe that hides their receding hairline. Sweet Lolita on people that aren't naturally cute (whether that's petite girls or highly femme younger guys) just looks weird.

>> No.10002761

wait what deets?

>> No.10002783

>Who ducking cares about body hair anymore?

Basically everyone thinks it looks gross and unkempt, especially when paired with very feminine fashion. No matter what body positivity people on the internet tell you, most people aren’t on board with the “body hair is natural and natural things are all beautiful” mentality.

>> No.10002784

Sounds like you care too much

>> No.10002796

sounds like you're a hairy monster

>> No.10002797

Spill the tea sis

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>people believing a rumour from an anon on 4chan

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Whew anon you got me in a corner here

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>> No.10002836

Hey, live your life mam. But just know, for a fact, if you meant someone for the first time and they see your nasty hairy legs and they do kinda of a nice double take to make sure it's not the trick of the light or them seeing things, they think "that's nasty" and have formed a slight opinion of you.

Not getting your eyebrows done? That's ok. You're either a poor fag and can't afford it (that's ok, getting them done is not a cheap habit to keep up) or the idea of getting your hair ripped off your face is not your thing.

Not shaving your inch long leg hair and flaunting it around? That just shows you can't spend $1.40 on a razor and $3.75 on cream and you're a lazy bitch that can't get off tumblr for more than half an hour to groom yourself like a female aught to in the fucking 21st century.

And those who are saying you don't shave becasue Lolita covers i upt, you guys need to try it. The feel of your smooth skin against a brand sock is amazing. There's a huge difference.

Those who don't shave- what are you so scared of?

>> No.10002838

I was going to say
>Didn't realize mumus are lolita now
But with how popular sack cuts are now, I guess you can say they are, lol. This is still unfortunate though, I hope she got some pointers.

>> No.10002853

I think buying no-strip wax and a wax heater is cheaper in the long-term. Also,lasts longer.Obviously not an option if you cry at the littlest of pains.

>> No.10002857

missing a spot

>> No.10002872

Damn imagine being so afraid of natural body hair lol. I kinda feel sorry for you. Kinda.

>> No.10002876

NAYRT but I don't regularly shave, but I do so when I'm going to be showing my legs in a coord - and I consider people who don't to be kind of lazy and unkempt. It's on par with brushing and styling your hair, or doing light makeup. It's a part of the look. If I'm slumming it in cutoff shorts and a tank top, nah, I won't shave, I'll let people see my armpit hair and leg hair and that's fine. But if I am dressing up nicely, it only makes sense to groom. I would expect a brolita to shave his legs for a coord as well.

>> No.10002893

It looks messy. The necklace on top of the bows, the neckline, and the low quality lace on the wristcuffs are a distraction. It's like she thought about each item individualy but not how they'd look together.

>> No.10002903

You just described a nitpick, really.

>> No.10002904

So far there aren't any comments. Don't think she would change a whole lot anyway.

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Not lolita but ap no

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Why the fuck is this in the AP tag?

>> No.10002954

My hair grows fast af, th next day after shaving i already have little hairs everywhere. Also red bumps. I just gave up and only shave when its hot outside. I dont show it off tho

>> No.10002956

Also nayrt, but like also who cares. Maybe the group of people she was with was okay with that, or maybe she just doesn't care what other people think about body hair regardless of what she wears. I know I'm the same way >>10002836
Youve heard of Fragile Masculinity now get ready for Fragile Femininity, CGL edition

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Waxing is such good stress relief too.

>> No.10002987

oh that's not bad why is this
oh boy what is going on. she's got a decently cute face, but this outfit is a disaster.
besides the messy hair, I don't think this is ita. Would have to see a full pic.

>> No.10002988

You’re an asshole. He legitimately enjoys the fashion and tries his best, he’s not some sissy or ddlg trash.

And what does PCOS causing facial hair growth have anything to do with tumblrinas not shaving their legs? Do you not read at all before you word vomit all over the place?

>> No.10002998

Nayrt but honestly I don't get what she's saying either

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Speaking of nasty ass bearded men wearing Lolita...
Incoming dump

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>> No.10003031

I'm sure I stumbled across this guy's tumblr where he has a diaper fetish

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>> No.10003036

He has many fetishes, anon. His insta is definitely cursed.

>> No.10003041

oh honey no
are those like, 2 off centre box pleats or is there a 3rd hiding somewhere

>> No.10003045

this is like
THE poster girl for grandma kei

>> No.10003056

Not lolita some gothita maybe or just weird stuff put together

>> No.10003058

He looks like an ageplayer

>> No.10003059

Oh my god she literally looks like a senior. I feel bad for her.

>> No.10003060

Crazy cat ita , but I am dissapointed cat print is missing

>> No.10003064

How old is she?

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Jesus fuck that's genuine AP. I always thought it was a replica, oh no.

>> No.10003070

I own this dress and for my 73 cm waist it is pretty tight. How in the world can he fit in it?

>> No.10003072

Did she shoop herself in front of that car?

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>> No.10003078

It's probably not zipped.

Anon please I feel physically sick

>> No.10003080

He owns many AP dresses :-)))) and pretty cute ones

>> No.10003094

ugh, those shoes. that blouse... disgusting.

>> No.10003107

oh god, when i saw this i thought "wait, she's not?!" and immediately scrolled back up to take a closer look at her face. poor dear.

>> No.10003123

Ayrt, sorry to inform you of popular opinion for the first time. I know it’s hard to realize that people are judging you but it does happen. They aren’t consumed by it they just think, “ew ugly,” and move on with their day.

>> No.10003130

Exactly and I don't care, so again, who cares

>> No.10003133

Being clean =/= being feminine. Dudes need to keep their gross body hair under control too. Sorry you’re a yeti and think that should be acceptable.

>> No.10003135

>I really don't care!!
Then stop commenting because we don't believe you when you keep replying

>> No.10003141

Lol everyone but you apparently.

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>> No.10003143

Having body hair doesn't make you unclean...? Anon I think you missed the evolutionary need for it

>> No.10003147

Periods are also an evolutionary necessity but that doesn’t mean you let it run down your legs. Sorry you got posted hairy-chan, stop white knighting yourself.

>> No.10003157

Erg this meme is old, not even defending her I'm just saying it's stupid to care

>> No.10003162

Give him a nice wig and makeup and it would be cute

>> No.10003163

But that's what we're saying. We don't CARE you're a yeti, but we WILL think "ew gross" for two seconds and move on.

Hairy-chan is trying to convenience herself that by not caring, we won't care enough to go "ew" in out brains even though we totally do.

Can you imagine if people flaunted their periods as some sort of statement about not caring/proving some insane point in a elitist hyper feminine fashion. Isn't that just kooky to even think about?

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>> No.10003165


Did you not notice his disgusting dirty shit colored sneakers? If you're a confused boy who likes to put on dresses, you better fucking commit and get some heels.

>> No.10003172

Disagree, coord is fine just needs to style her hair

>> No.10003175

No. , I didn't notice. I got distracted looking at the bad hair for so long lol

>> No.10003178

Hmmm so I follow this person. I like how he wears the dresses super differently than what you'd expect of such a dress. Does he claim his style is lolita at all? I never thought of it that way.

Oh no for real??

>> No.10003182

Congrats on your shit taste, his tumblr is full of sissy, diaper, and scat fetish.

>> No.10003183

Eh, maybe. I like drag and cute shit being worn uncutely. That's really gross tho, I didn't know that.

>> No.10003184

what dress is this? it’s kinda cute

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>> No.10003188

He looks like trash regardless.

>> No.10003191

i think she's super cute and would look nice in mori girl or something not fitted through the waist. that shirt sits really poorly on her and and so will anything whose shame involves a defined waist.

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cursed image

>> No.10003218

oh for sure, she’s super cute but that shirt does not flatter her at all

>> No.10003219

It’s not dark when a man puts on a dress and doesn’t bother with literally anything else. It’s not brolita when you look like that. It’s just some fat man who’s a fetish weirdo that uses tags that will get him hits and followers.

>> No.10003226

Don't think he's brolita or anything like that. I just found his look out of the ordinary. I don't know, maybe I'm naive for not thinking anything strange of it. I did go on his tumblr and only saw gay porn, cars and some cute shit. Am I looking at the right thing?

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>> No.10003287

> Being this invested in the shaving habits of others.

I’m all for shaving but anon it sounds like you have a mental problem.

>> No.10003292

>Can you imagine if people flaunted their periods as some sort of statement about not caring/proving some insane point in a elitist hyper feminine fashion. Isn't that just kooky to even think about?
Sadly some people do... they call it "freebleeding" and it's disgusting as hell.

>> No.10003296

This could be much better if she had a diff wig, lost the flower crown, put her arms closer to her body to help her broad shoulders, and have neckwear.

>> No.10003301

That dress looks like shit though, both in terms of quality and design.

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>> No.10003480

I like it. Fight me

>> No.10003481

Getting your eyebrows done is easy, just tweeze.

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She looks like Kelly's mom from the Shoes video

>> No.10003486

Periods aren't the same as body hair.

>> No.10003487

Wasn’t that made up by trolls? I’ve heard a lot about it in an urban legend kind of way but have never seen a non-anonymous post by a self professed freebleeder.

>> No.10003516

It’s not the first time I’ve seen ageplay content without any AP items in the Angelic Pretty tag. Maybe kink people became familiar with the tag because ageplaying lolitas use it on their ageplay posts, and now non-lolitas use it because they think it’s related to their kink or at least has a similar audience. I feel so bad for AP fans.

>> No.10003532

This is really endearing in a grandmotherly non-lolita way.

>> No.10003577

Agree, I have a lot of sjw friends and do some political work and I've never actually seen or heard of a first hand account of someone freebleeding. The most I've seen is people switching to like a moon cup and painting with the leftover blood

>> No.10003581

this ^ there's a buzzfeed video about it, and some people are so smallminded they think buzzfeed defines the entirety of social justice.

>> No.10003584

Fuck buzzfeed it's literally a site meant to collect likes, anyone who uses that site seriously is actually stupid.

>> No.10003590

i 'freebleed' at the end of my cycle when it's just a tiny bit of brown muck and a pad would provide more discomfort and inconvenience than simply showering and washing my underwear

>> No.10003597

I can see what she was going for with the shoes, Honestly it's not eye searingly bad. Some shoes and a good brushing and a cute headpiece could fix this, imo.

WTF does this even mean? It sounds like something you'd see on a Chinese sweatshop shirt.

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This should be lolitafashion according to the ig hashtag, for me it looks like pijamas :-)

>> No.10003665

Everyone can smell it, i promise

>> No.10003670

I've knowns some "trans men" who were all aboard the freebleeding train and it was nasty.

>> No.10003672

could have just stopped at "trans men" desu

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>> No.10003688

Nayrt but how would using a panty liner magically make it not smell?

>> No.10003702

Pantyliners protect the panties and pants from the blood and sweat and some of them are designed to help with odor, though in my experience even the ones who don't advertise it work just fine. End-stage period paste smells the worst.

>> No.10003717

Sorry about your stanky muff. Mine has zero smell unless you get right close to it, since there's so little of it. Mirena lightened up my cycle quite a bit.
I suggest grabbing some liner-style panties, the ones with the absorbent fabric built in. They can help with wetness and odor.

>> No.10003723

It only stanks during periods if I don't use pantyliners anon, my muff is daijoobu

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Can we please stop talking about periods and post itas, you’re {blood} clotting the thread up

>> No.10003745

when you freebleed onto your panties you’re bleeding onto a fabric which airs out, on the pantyliner it is one way so odor stays on the liner.

>> No.10003770

I’m never going to complain about my size 9,5 feet again, I feel sorry for Goofy over there

>> No.10003783

Boy or girl?

>> No.10003784

>menstrual cup
My dude, it will change your life

>> No.10003800

my vaginismus is so bad i cant even use tampons designed for little girls, how am i supposed to get a fucking menstrual cup up there?

>> No.10003816

I do this too but I am thinking of getting panty liners desu. I'm very sensitive about smells and sometimes it does and I feel so bad.

>> No.10003817

This is not period thread, let's find some cute itas instead :-P

>> No.10003831

They really shouldn't be emphasizing their shoulders, those ruffles only make them look way broader than they already are. Other cuts would work so much better.

>> No.10003841

Same anon, I wish so badly i could use a menstrual cup. Life would be so much better if i didn't have to deal with using pads. I don't even think I could fit a q-tip in there.

>> No.10003912

Have those tights been chewed?

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how can someone be in lolita this long and still look this bad

i remember her from the livejournal days and she literally does not look any better than she did a decade ago, how does this happen

>> No.10003945

Just get pantyliners she's sheesh

>> No.10003949

It’s mostly her ugly mug and hair. I’ve seen her other coords and they aren’t terrible, just painfully basic/boring. Even if she were to become amazing at coordinating her unfortunate looking face and fried hair will affect the overall look. She needs to invest in a nice wig and plastic surgery.

>> No.10003952

I don’t think she needs a wig, her hair isn’t fried she just doesn’t take care of it. When you look like Hp1 hermoine it is because you have curly hair you don’t know how to deal with. She also looks better with that 2011 fringe vs the flat almost middle part so she just needs to create volume with her hair.

>> No.10003958

hell I think she's gotten worse

>> No.10003960

Sorry I meant to say frizzy/unkempt, not fried. She definitely needs to take better care of it.

>> No.10003970

I commend her for sticking to the fashion for so long. Her 2011 coordhonest seems average for the time. But I agree she's gotten worse. The last coord is the worst, she needs to tuck that cutsew in.

There's so many people who brag about how long they've been in the fashion, but time doesn't make you better than other lolitas. so many oldfags never improve and get outclassed by people who joined the fashion in 2017. these people should be a reminder of that. I say this as an oldfag myself.

>> No.10003987

Meh. I can't be assed to shave my legs in fall and winter because they are always covered up. I do shave the rest though. Because personal preference and SO. I definitely shave my legs once spring and summer come.
At the end of the day it's just natural body hair,nothing "gross" unless you're not taking care of it at all. It's just not aesthetically pleasing.

>> No.10003988

Also may i add in my defense that it's an extra "layer" of warmth. And high socks look nice as fuck and cover it so i see no downsides to that

>> No.10003989

his best still doesn't look good

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>> No.10004040

>Her 2011 coordhonest seems average for the time

not at all. in 2011 the egl LJ comm had been around for years and there were tons of resources, plus it was a central location. most brands shipped internationally and that was around the time of the golden age of bodyline. egl_comm_sales were going strong and taobao brands were becoming accessible through resellers like qutieland, not to mention japanese sites like closet child and y!j. there is zero excuse for her to be wearing a hot pink men's polo with a lolita skirt. none. maybe in 2005 but not 2011.

>> No.10004066

Not the person on the photo, but I'm a size 11 myself and I find it pretty embarassing because my feet look too masculine, but there's nothing I can really do about it...

>> No.10004071

She needs a better haircut. People with that texture need layers or their hair will fluff out at the bottom like Hermione. (My hair is the same.) Her shampoo is probably not helping either. A bit of oil or product on the ends of the hair (especially after she got layers) after a shower would also help the shape of her hair and turn the frizz into waves. Also, bangs would help her face look less long and would give her head a better shape. Also, those glasses are very unflattering, a different shape could change how her face looks. Makeup would help too, at least a little eyeliner, concealer, and lipstick. Yes, her face isn't great, but I truly believe that she would look fine if she took better care of herself or someone else styled her.

Her clothes are unforgiveable though. 2016 is best, but still no hair accessory. When I see people who don't improve like this, I always wonder what's wrong with them. I wish I could help her

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>> No.10004106

where was this posted? Also I'm pretty sure she has a legitimate mental issue, because I don't think she sees how horrible she always looks.

>> No.10004107

Wtf? This isn't ita. It's just bad shoes

>> No.10004146

Unless they're mentally disabled or going to a kid's birthday party, this has such ageplay vibes
I haven't seen freebleeding but I've seen women paint with their period blood and it's equally gross.
Burn ageplaying lolitas
Those glasses are also hideous
Can u be a little less gross
>"Cute itas"
An oxymoron

>> No.10004148

Considering she was new during that time, i think its more forgivable. in 2011 there was a huge amount of noobs coming into the fashion because it was more accessible and because tumblr heavily popularised it. I remember there were a lot of noobs passing around bad information on that site- bodyline was god to them, brands too expensive and doesn't fit, replicas are fine. Shit like that. So I have even lower expectations for noobs during that time than i do for noobs in 2005.

>> No.10004154

she posted it on her blog

>> No.10004157

>Those glasses are also hideous
I give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to glasses. It could be actual glasses for them/ Either way I like glasses in general. As long as they aren't covered in glitter or something i'll give them a pass.

>> No.10004163

That lace looks cheap

>> No.10004165

I don't mind certain glasses, but these coke can wire rimmed granny glasses are all fucking over in lolita and they're fugly
Save it for grandma kei, not lolita

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>> No.10004172

I fucking love this dress but THIS is NOT the way, grasshopper

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>> No.10004183

They look lile they robbed a sissy

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people who wear ballet flats with lolita piss me off than those who don’t realize they need a blouse.

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Isn't pin-up just the western version of lolita?

>> No.10004194

....you just blew my mind

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>> No.10004205

That girl looks better than the actual subject of the photo.

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>> No.10004239

Blechhh harnesses are so nasty looking when worn over clothes. This whole coord is gross and doesn't make sense together

>> No.10004240

>Black in the umbrella but nowhere else
>Those shoes
Nice try bitch. An effort was made

>> No.10004243

I don't like the boots, but it is October--we're going to see a lot of witch hats in the coming weeks.

>> No.10004256

Anon, calm down. That anon was baiting, that isn't a lolita, that's a pin-up girl. Also, it's fucking raining. The umbrella isn't an accessory, it's a functional item like the clear raincoat she has on.

>> No.10004270

>Fawn makeup
>no Fawn shoes
In for a penny, in for a pound, lady. Go the whole nine miles!

Her expression of anger and disbelief would be a great meme if this were higher res.

>> No.10004276

I can't tell if something's seriously wrong with her proportions or if she's just wearing that skirt on her hips.

>> No.10004286

what is it with itas and those ugly demonia shoes. They look so cheap.

>> No.10004287

Gg I'm just memeing, it's very obvious that it's neither lolita nor called lolita. but in all seriousness the attempt at coordinating clear umbrella and coat looks ridiculous. Normie fashion is the worst

>> No.10004288

Skirt needs to be hiked up about 4 inches... looks like she's wearing it really low on her hips.

>> No.10004290

Aw, she actually looks kinda better with her hair down. Needless to say, that bodyline dress needs more poof. It looks so bad without it.

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is this more to your liking

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>> No.10004317

What the fuck is going on with her tiddies?

>> No.10004326

she's british

>> No.10004337

Your mom looks cheap.

>> No.10004339

Only to a crossboarding larper. That outfit is hardly even qualifies as 'pin up'.

>> No.10004340

LOTION, MY DEAR. Use lotion!!!

>> No.10004345

>/cgl/ is a board for the following:
>• LARPing

>> No.10004348

Looks like somebody's ready for the squaredance rave

>> No.10004353

She’s like an ugly ita Fanny Rosie

>> No.10004364

Aaaaand so does that insult.
Take the Delorian back to 2005 when that comeback was actually relevant.

>> No.10004368

That’s just her carapace, she’s molting.

>> No.10004374

Is that chicken skin

>> No.10004376

Ugh he follows me on insta oh no

>> No.10004381

it's my vagoo, don't be rude.

>> No.10004387

I freebleed only on light AF periods where the blood somehow never hits my panties. The downside is thinking I’ve been blessed with a light period to finding a massacre instead. I think out of a year I only freebleed like 20% of the time. Basically only when a pad is gonna be more of a bitch.

>> No.10004388

Looking past this atrocity who the hell uses a rug ontop of carpet that fucking tiny

>> No.10004410

cgl is not the board for lolita larp. We can spot you a mile away.

>> No.10004411

Oh sweet child. That car was manufactured in the 80's. Your answer is so wrong it's funny.

>> No.10004412

js thats a back to the future reference, not talking about the cars year pre sure

>> No.10004416

Back to the Future came out in 1985, so still wrong.

>> No.10004429

The car's a time machine that can go back to ANY time period, so technically >>10004364 isn't wrong.

>> No.10004647

> I’m so much smarter than this person who doesn’t know car trivia
> too stupid to get obvious joke
> b-but your still the dumb one

>> No.10004694

I think they could be cute if worn with a good quality punk lolita coordinate, but that's probably never gonna happen.

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Underskirts exist! But why take a picture from that angle if the skirt is sooo short already? That purse is saving her from flashing the camera.

>> No.10004731

Agreed. This is way too short, and one of those legs looks badly shooped or something.

>> No.10004733

I want to like her. I want her to succeed because I see her trying and actually making baby steps at improving, and I totally know what it's like to try to do lolita and not be a cute tiny young thing. The struggle is real. But I wish she would try a wig once in a while. Just try one. I know that's not the only thing wrong here, but it would be a giant step in the right direction.

And a petti. And cover your knees. I have lumpy knees too, and I try to hide as much of them as I can with very tall socks and bloomers.

>> No.10004746

hasn’t this been posted here already... yes i remember only because of her strangely shaped leg
her smile looks so cute she reminds me of a chubby kirariw

>> No.10004797

looks like a genderfuck

>> No.10004815

this is how I feel my non-adjustable shoulder strap AP jsks look on me (I'm not fat, just tall) but they're only a couple inches above my knees. this is like... to the bottom of her ass. Damn.

>> No.10004842

hes been doing this for years.
if he tried his best you think he'd at least look less like garbage.

>> No.10004848

Well her coord looks like shit,
but I forgive flats because it looks like a convention so probably a lot of walking?

>> No.10004878

Just shut the fuck up, oh my God

>> No.10004879

This has already recently been posted, but it's so bad that I'm not even bothered by that.

>> No.10004880

She literally does not care at all about improving - she goes by the name itazilla. It's pretty obvious she doesn't care how bad she is and thinks any criticism is just "uwu haters gonna hate"

>> No.10004881

That's no excuse - there are plenty of lolita shoes that are comfortable. I have a bodyline pair and a pair of Antaina rocking horse shoes. Both of them are perfectly comfortable for the large amounts of walking required in conventions. In fact, I've had flats I wore with cosplay that were exceedingly more uncomfortable.

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>> No.10004894

there's so much stuff wrong with this but like jesus christ the bows lmao.

P.S is that a lovely bathroom replica??

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You gotta post the caption too, anon.
>No con crit

This was ita from the caption alone.

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>> No.10004899

no, that's Dreamy Girl

she's going to post for the next 31 days on CoF

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the various sewing groups are a fucking goldmine for itas

>> No.10004903

Guess we'll have a good cover for the next thread then

>> No.10004905


why are people who insist on posting daily challenges daily such itas.

Better people compile and post every couple of days or weekly. It's really just itas who do this.

>> No.10004938

Holy shit mega mind is that you

>> No.10004968

She has been in lolita long enough to know not to wear those shoes with the outfit...

Also did she lose a ton of weight or is that weird shoop?

>> No.10004977

>lovely bathroom replica
New fag detected

>> No.10004983

Most likely lost weight, since she doesn’t shut up about her eating disorder irl

>> No.10005003

This woman is always doing this! No one wants to see your coochie! Ugh,this is the admin for alt fashion amino.

>> No.10005004

It's ok,anon. I'd skip over >>10004429 too if I wanted to save face.

>> No.10005005

dreamy girl really doesn't look good on big tits

>> No.10005154

Agreed. CoF needs to ban monthly challenges. They should limit posting to once a week IMO. First Thomas, then Sonia, now her... no one cares, no one is challenging you, i promise.

>> No.10005163

The cutsew is horrible it does not match anything. This coord is ok for fairy kei maybe but not lolita.

>> No.10005198

size 11 here as well, don't be embarrassed.
I hate the idea that something larger is masculine. I bet your feet are just fine and no one would know the size unless you had them right next to like Misako's.

>> No.10005199

only thing that could be an issue to some is the wig colors. and that's a nit.
this looks fine and a brown leather bag to match those cute-ass shoes would work. Ugh, I want nice oxford heel platforms like that but I'm a bigfoot anon.

please someone tell me this is not mintyfrills. if it is, I am terrified at the speed of her weight loss and I hope she had a reasonable and fixed goal in mind and this isn't a descent into neverending disordered eating.

>> No.10005200

I want that skirt. looks like visible and chocochip cookie had a baby and it's gorgeous

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>> No.10005203

she isn't terrible, she just need bangs and to commit to accessory quality or at least consistent colormatching. I notice she will use/buy accessories that don't quite work but still try to use them anyway.

her style is good for streetworthy jfash but it isn't polished enough for lolita. she's really gotta amp up her discernment for quality and color tone.

>> No.10005204

>she isn't terrible

If you want I can help you find an eye doctor

>> No.10005217

They are inherently more masculine though, just because men tend to have larger feet than women do. If you feel self-conscious, certain shoe shapes do help make feet look smaller, like choosing heels over flats.

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>cleavage showing

>> No.10005263

NO con-crit, please. it's rude

>> No.10005292


Okay, I get that this girl clearly looks like she blew all her money on that lovely jsk and then had to go with plaint tights, cheap kiddie hat and some normie blouse, but what and why in the name of Manasama are those sleeve puffs. They don't match in colour, quality or style, and aren't even needed, so whyyy?

>> No.10005298

>she blew all her money on that lovely jsk
It's just Bodyline, not even one of their overpriced pieces either.

>> No.10005309


God, that makes it even more depressing that it's the best and only nice lolita piece in her entire ensemble.

>> No.10005330

why is it always the “curvy” itas that feel the need to show off their tits? Are they insecure or something?

>> No.10005331 [DELETED] 

you think YOU have it bad? try being a size 12-13. Thank god i'm into gothic and aristocrat where my feet are covered because i can't imagine the absolute pain of being sweet with big ass feet like that
>tfw lowkey wish i could at least try it

>> No.10005332

you think YOU have it bad? try being a size 11-12 for MEN because of how big your feet are. Thank god i'm into gothic and aristocrat where my feet are covered because i can't imagine the absolute pain of being sweet with big ass feet like that
>tfw lowkey wish i could at least try it
>tfw gf has a size 6 and i'm mad jelly about it

>> No.10005335

Made me think of a former friend lol. Her feet were so big she had to go to special stores for drag queens/transvestites to buy more feminine shoes to fit her. One time someone came up to her, grabbed her boob and wondered how she got them so incredibly realistic.

At least they apologized when they realized she was a cis woman

>> No.10005339

I'm a size 10.5 in mens (I'm a woman, btw), which sucks, so I'm guessing 11-12 is far worse. I can't even find cute normie shoes normally (which is okay since I'm more into big stompy goth boots when not in lolita) but trying to find cute shoes in general is a huge pain.

Been trying to find some RHS for ages now, and every time I think I find some, the seller takes forever just to tell me that the soles of the shoes I want will have to be made in some other, ugly patterned, rubber/foam instead of the picture. SIGH. I just want some cute shoes. I'm an old school lolita and I'm sick of my ugly demonias.

>> No.10005344

Are you two white?

>> No.10005347

Simple. The dresses are too small for them.

>> No.10005348

I'm the 10.5 anon, and I'm white. I'm tall so it makes sense I'd have bigger feet than average women, but it's not fun for cute fashion.

>> No.10005350

The simplest answers always seem to go over my head, but yeah, you’re right anon

>> No.10005355

yup,am 11-12 anon and fully white

your poor friend,i feel her

yeah same,i wear punk/goth shit out of lolita so it's not too much of an issue but it pains me when i see some cute shoes and i can't ever dream of wearing them

>> No.10005363

I never saw this color in a lolita jsk. Photo must be modified.

>> No.10005390

Nothing wrong with not shaving if it's not showing. It's the fact it looks bad and is generally considered unkept that makes people dislike it. That's also why if you have thing, barely visible hairs people will care way less quickly than with thick dark hairs.

I know at least most Western culture dislikes bodyhair on woman. Japan dislikes it beside on your private parts, and have the norm to shave even your arms, even when it's barely visible. Makes your skin feel super smooth. I heard there is a activist group to let woman have armpit hair and such. I'm like, but it looks bad and just keeps sweat holded up so needs more work to keep clean...

But it's more an appearance thing. Most don't care what under your tights if we can't see it.

That being said, extra layer of warmth is a bad defence since if it's really cold, there are tons of clothes that do much more for you than body hair. Most body hair is a left over from evolution, much like your tail bone. You don't need it, but it hasn't gone away as there is no use for it since the only point would be attraction, but since we get rid of it that's no longer an issue changed by evolution anyways.

>> No.10005401

It's probably red enhancing filter. She's wearing the original red jsk and the filter is tuning it to be more magenta.

>> No.10005405

I don't shave because my hair on my arms and legs are super fine

>> No.10005408


I don't mind the outfit, I'm just super distracted by the leg hair. . . didn't even notice the stupid bag until someone else pointed it out.

>> No.10005422

Are big feet a white person thing? This is not a stereotype I’ve heard before.

>> No.10005423

I think they're just a tall person thing. There's plenty of black women with big feet too, but other races tend to be shorter than white/black people so they tend to have smaller feet.

>> No.10005427

Not sure how common it is, but my family is Chinese and occasionally I've heard jokes about white people or Americans having giant feet. It does make sense, considering Japanese shoe sizes are pretty representative of East Asian sizes in general.

>> No.10005524

You are lucky

>> No.10005548

nayrt but honestly if my dark leg hair interrupts someone's life they're weak and need to be weeded out of the gene pool

>in b4 "reeeeee i-its unkempt!! and unsightly!!"

if you take the time to properly exfoliate and take care of your body, the hair grows soft and honestly feels super nice. no more razor burn, no more ingrown hairs, i used to get small cysts on my legs from shaving and now i don't get them. it's wild because i have no one point it out or laugh at or stare at me when i go out with my bare legs, and i didn't even think much about it until i saw everyone bickering about leg hair on here. having thick hair is very hard to keep up on, and i'm not looking to spend over half an hour in my shower every other day making sure i'm nice and smooth for people who will forget about my "unsightly" natural body hair 3 minutes after they see me

>> No.10005566

horrible coord aside I need to know where she got those stickers from

>> No.10005632

my hair is naturally very light and fine, but nothing feels better to me than smooth, hairless skin. and I take care of my body/skin. it's just not the same.

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>> No.10005718

I think he has lived a based life and I will be sad if this is true

>> No.10005720

"Underage" doesn't mean the same thing in the rest of the world as it does in the US. The age of consent in Japan is 14.

>> No.10005725

That doesn't mean that teenagers can consent to sex with a man twice their age.

>> No.10005727

I don't think you understand what consent means.

>> No.10005733

I don't think you do, maybe look up the laws and educate yourself? :^)

>> No.10005739

i can say i appreciate the feeling of smooth legs, and i'll take time every few months to shave my whole body, but i genuinely don't mind my leg hair. it's fun to play with lol

>> No.10005751

Sasquatch anon here too (sz 12W)
I feel your pain. I shop at Torrid for some of my more casual style shoes if you want to look there sometime.

>> No.10005760

the age of consent being 13 is just a meme, the children welfare act prohibits fornication with anyone under 18

>> No.10005781

Same, I shave once every few months. I’m blind as hell so shaving in the shower is a bitch and shaving in the bath is just...gross. Luckily OTKs usually cover my legs well enough because I have finer hair on my thighs.

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>> No.10005803

Overal the idea is good, but there are just a few things that trow it off just a bit too much in my opinion. Like lot of small things, but many small things together make it bad as well.

I don't like the hat and the shoes with this. They both are like almost there, but they are not matching clearly just a bit too much.

I like the design of the dress, but the sleeves and top layer of the skirt (the blue parts of the same fabric as the bottom) drape quite oddly making it look kinda bad. And I don' t like the lace looking like it's not been cut till the end, leaving a lot of plain netting visible. That's generally only on cheaper items as well. Should cut it yourself if you want to wear an item like that has it.

>> No.10005807

Why does the left one remind me of a street hooker trying to gather to men with a DDLG fetish?

>> No.10005809

I love this girl in the back

>> No.10005811

OTKS are a blessing for me. My jew leg hair is dark and coarse. And because I tried to nair it at 15 (without knowing that I was highly allergic to nair), the hair follicles are fucked up making shaving extremely difficult.
It basically comes out of the follicle sideways and embeds itself into the surface layer of the skin.
Every. Time.

>> No.10005812

I think she wants to be able to get mad on people commenting on her boobs so she get's attention. Why else would you wear fantasy clothes that make them look bigger than they are by draping loose fabric all over it and making sure it' s tight right below?

>> No.10005813

But since LARPers wear costumes (no matter bad or good ones), wouldn't that make a lolita larper wear lolita and therefore become a lolita since it's clothes? At least on an ita level if we take it as the cheap ass larp costumes?

I mean, maybe it would be better to keep it at roleplayers in general and not LARPers.

An actual lolita fashion LARP would be so odd... Makes me wonder what their stories are about.

>> No.10005814

More a Fanny Rosie who can't dress herself anymore.

>> No.10005818

This was posted before.

But you know, if she wasn't fat the dress probably wouldn't rise up like that and might get to a better length. Doesn't look like a dress that'll work with an underskirt. But at least coord it in a way that still looks good and doesn't look like you need a bag to save your photo form becoming pornography. Same for the angle. Like, at least try?

>> No.10005819

This. This is what I think every time someone blames walking for bad shoes. I don't even mind sneakers in the right coord, but no matter what you wear, it needs to look good and there are enough comfortable lolita shoes on the market to make it a shitty excuse of someone who didn't look further than antainai on TaoBao.

>> No.10005820

I wouldn't mind if the posted coords wheren't so ita looking. I don't care if your coord is a challenge or just your coord. But if you dress horrible I don't want to see a new horrible from you every day.

>> No.10005822

Well, as other anon said it is biologically seen more masculine. But the right shoes can still make it look good. It's not something you can't do anything about. You can get shoes that look good on your feet with your coords, instead of just buying the ones that look good on tiny Asians and then complain it's not your fault.

>> No.10005825

>I'm tall so it makes sense I'd have bigger feet than average women
1,80m, US 9 (EU 39, woman) here. Most people I know with the same length have the same size or a EU40. Tall isn't that strongly linked to huge shoe size in my experience, although it's a bit bigger than the shorter woman I know (shorter woman I know differ between EU36 to EU 39).

Still fits Japanese brand shoes in size L or XL.

>> No.10005826

>honestly if my dark leg hair interrupts someone's life they're weak and need to be weeded out of the gene pool
No one says it interups their lives. Just saying it looks bad. As long as people saying you're ugly doesn't matter to you, do whatever you want.

As someone with thick dark hair myself, it's doesn't take a half hour every other day to shave your legt. It takes 5 minutes every shower. If you get cysts you need better products.

Aka, you're sprouting bullshit and I don't really care. I still call you ugly any day and if you care I suggest you shave, if you don't care I suggest you stop crying online about the fact people call you ugly.

>> No.10005829

I will never understand people who get super short bangs. It just looks bad period. Let them go to your eyebrows are don't get them. These things look horrible.

>> No.10005832

Another pierced lolita but what is that on her forehead ?

>> No.10005851


I did. Perhaps you should educate youself.

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no one called me ugly, they just just it looks unkept

sounds like someones projecting

>> No.10005913

i usually cover my legs with socks and tights too, but it gets too hot sometimes (generally, not just in lolita) and i opt to not wear them. i also have very, very thick course bodyhair. i shave my pubic area way more than anywhere else (mostly to keep away sweat and bacteria, since i work in a hot ass kitchen i get hella swamp crotch)

if there was an easier way to get rid of the hair that wasn't painful as fuck or didn't require me to throw down a butt ton of cash, i would regularly take care of my body hair.

>> No.10005917

Unkempt = ugly

>> No.10005926

If you're a woman have thick leghair and show it, that's a bad look to many people. If you're a men it's not relevant to the topic. If you don't show it it's also not relevant. That's how the whole leghair topic started. female ita has too much leghair showing as if a man, and it looks ugly. Someone get offended about that being pointed out and doesn't like leghair not being feminine, so some anons try to talk sense into offended anon because it looks bad and it can make a decent lolita coord look ugly. They explain why it looks bad, like looking unkept, masculine, etc. Things that don't go well with lolita.

Not projecting. You're the one who's not shaving off dark leg hair and post butthurt about after multiple anons pointed out it looks bad to a lot of people ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. If you have thick dark hairy legs and show them, you're ugly because they ruin your looks. Deal with it and shut up about people saying that, or shave.

>> No.10005940

Nobody would apreciate the hair on a brolitas legs either so is not strictly a topic for girls . Hair on lolita legs looks untidy and not feminine at all, we like it or not lolita is a very feminine fashion.

>> No.10005943

blame Tumblr

>> No.10005958

I usually really like her coords but this is a miss. The pose/backdrop is cute at least.

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Halloween isn't an excuse to be ita

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>> No.10006023

Okay but I love this

>> No.10006025

confession, i hate when guys wear lolita without a single attempt at looking feminine. like put on some makeup, shave and put on some eyelashes wear a wig just like we all do your look is part of the fashion.

>> No.10006062

I just assume dudes who don’t even try are sissies and looking awful is part of their kink.

>> No.10006088

It's fine until you scroll down

>> No.10006199

this isn't even ita she's a clown, stop nitpicking

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Another good example of brand itas. Just sad you can't see the black flats that go with it.

>> No.10006245

Not really ita if it had other shoes

>> No.10006247

You're telling me a petticoat showing isnt ita?

>> No.10006256

This is a good example of how being cute and able to afford all the right stuff still doesn’t guarantee you’ll be able to do it right. It does help though, if she made all the same mistakes but with a Milanoo dress and a Party City wig it would look way different.

>> No.10006287

You do know that the age of consent law in Japan isn't as cut and dry as you think it is...right? 14-17 year olds can only have sex with other 14-17 year olds in Japan.
Also in Japan gay people aren't allowed to get married. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's okay lmao
Teenagers are not fully developed adults. They cannot PROPERLY consent.

>> No.10006290

Nitpick. Pull up the waistband of the petti, get rid of that awkward bow heart thing on the right side and give her different shoes and she'll be fine.
The lanyard and buttons aren't part of the coord.

>> No.10006321

His nose job looks terrible. Please love your natural noses and do not fuck with them

>> No.10006330

Ups I didn't notice it

>> No.10006332

From what can you tell he did surgery?

>> No.10006355

Way past time for a new thread, gulls

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>> No.10006458

Then make one

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>> No.10006471

>shitty material
>awful makeup
Yeah she looks like a clown alright

>> No.10006543

Wtf is wrong with some people?

>> No.10006616

The blouse is not ok but the rest is a clown not lolita :-D . I like it

>> No.10006620

is this the scat fetish girl?

>> No.10006715

Wtf do we have scat fetish lolita as well ? I thought ddlg was bad enough what if we purchase a dress from one of the scat girls?

>> No.10006723

it looks like she's at a con. i wear dumb flats during cons too, and switch them out for lolita shoes for lolita events and for taking photos. between the shoes and the badges, this looks like "oh HEY! can i grab a photo?" kinda deal off a con floor.

>> No.10006841

I hate that synthetic cheap looking polka-dot blouse thingy, because it looks so cheap. But other than that it's ok. Not ita.

>> No.10006844

>Uncut wig fringe
>petticoat showing
>no shoes (and it's not even a proper indoor floor. Who doesn't wear shoes in these kind of venues no matter what they wear?)
I mean, she's starting to go the right way, but it still looks bad as if, and the mistakes are too obvious and dumb not to belong here imho.

>> No.10006846

>random black tights
>random purple bow while everything else is pink
>weird facial make-up where I can even see anymore what's going on
>writscuffs look like the lace had seen it;'s best days quite some time ago.
>bangs are cutted way too short on that wig
There is much more wrong than the blouse anon. Sorry you've got shit taste.

>> No.10006899

post malonelita

>> No.10008452

Same here. It's disgusting and just uses ~~~no gender standards pls~~~ as an excuse to be lazy in a fashion that is feminine.