/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>white collar edition
Nice.
I love white collars but I'm not feeling this dress. Definitely looking forward to pic related though, I hope it comes in black.

>>9997942
Wasn't that released years ago? Or is this one of their LQ white versions?

>>9997943
The apron looks similar to a previous release but I'm pretty sure the OP is a new design.

Any reviews on these, gulls? I'm basically looking for alternative to AP's bow bags since they come in limited colors, that poorly work to my wardrobe.

What are IW's Halloween sets like? This one doesn't look like an LP but there's no indication of its contents other than "blouse and jsk set"

>>9997978

>"blouse and jsk set"
>doesn't tell you which blouse or jsk

That's an LP, ya dingus. And someone already replied about IW LPs in the last thread.

>>9997978
You don't get any Halloween items, it's just random stuff. The Halloween part is just the time of year, and the pack should arrive to you by Halloween.

Anon in the last thread who said she wants to organise a pirate meet for Halloween: please do it. I would do it myself in my own comm but I don't have anything to wear.

Atelier Pierrot does taobao with their Shinjuku store. I know they have the worst stock photos and their stuff is nicer in person, but this honestly looks so cheap...

I wish I could block taobao from my lolibrary search results

>>9998033
I wish I could block Taobao from planet Earth

What are some brands other than Atelier Boz that make military-themed stuff? Specifically stuff like this, every brand under the sun has some sort of sailor thing.

>>9998044
Sheglit do iirc, and Meta has released some military stuff as well.

>>9998055
Anything for wider shoulders and a 90+ bust? I love the military look but I'm such a western piggu i dont fit into it.

>>9998064
Excentrique is dead but had some M/L sizes and I found that their size is more forgiving than other brands.

>>9998044
Excentrique made the best imo, casual and fancy

>>9998078
Sheglit otoh is not.

>>9998031

It's a step above most taobao, I think. The closeup of each dress on their website looks way more solid, although the photos were clearly overlighted and somewhat overexposed.

Somewhat tangentially, would appreciate it if someone finds some place to buy the lace flocked(?) shantung fabric on the right. I saw it in the large Tomato fabric store in Nippori but decided not to buy it, have been regretting that decision ever since.

As thanks and in return, the book print on the left is here:
https://www.nippori-tomato.com/onlineshop/products/detail.php?product_id=20447

>>9998078
Where do you even find their stuff anymore

>>9998033
I wish I could block Rainies from my lacemarket search results

What's an alternative to Peppermint Fox's wooden brooches? I love that style but I don't feel like paying 50€ for a pin because lol taxes and shipping. I already know of VioletFane but are there any other artists that do work in that style?

>>9998110
second hand. i just got my dream dress from excentrique a couple of weeks ago.

>>9998135
Milkribbon also has wooden brooches, but I think PF is the only one that has the more fairytale-feeling ones.

>>9998135
@twotartsandaprincess on instagram do wooden pins iirc, but hers are more cutesy and kitschy (crying potatoes) rather than PF style.

>>9997661
where is that dress from???

>>9998272
Miho Matsuda, it's new

Sorry if this is for the stupid questions thread but I won a listing on LM 4 days ago and the seller hasn't contacted me since. 2 days ago I sent a PM but it lays there unread. What to do? Is this normal?

>>9998135
Try doing a group order with your comm?

>>9998294
It’s not unheard of for someone to just not check in for a few days (life does happen), but also no one would fault you for reporting it in or leaving negative feedback after 5 days or so of total radio silence. If it were me I’d send one more message saying if I don’t hear back in 24h I’m going to leave negative feedback, and then do so. A few days of procrastinating or being busy is understandable but your time is valuable too.

If you really want the item so much that you’re willing to be a doormat about it though, then I’d just say hold out as long as it takes.

>>9998294
Sometimes in the description, terms of sale or on the profile people mention you should contact them on FB as they don’t get notifications from lace market. But yeah it happens, I would try to send them a message after a few days until it has been like a month, then it’s time for negative feedback.

>>9998628
>a month

You’re way too nice, anon. A week at the outside.

>>9998096
Thanks! I must admit, I'm somewhat tempted to just get a metre of the book print and make a similar JSK myself. I'm hoping that's flocked shantung - printed seems like it would be less opulent, but I haven't seen it in my fabric trawls at all.

Is BtB dead? Where's the secrets?

>>9998665
one of the mods dropped the ball/missed their ride on the posting carousel.
someone else is slated to do next week's so we should have secrets next week.

Newbie lonelita here who has little to no real life reference or comm members to ask.

I noted in Scarfing Scarve's closet tour that her corset lacing was laced bottom to top. All the lacing on the dresses I've received have been laced top to bottom. It has never crossed my mind to change it, but now I'm seeking advice on which is best.

Which way do you gulls lace your dresses?

>>9998790
Even the new dresses I've bought from the same brand haven't been consistent, it seems to vary with between releases. I would say it's up to personal preference, there's not really a "wrong" way. For me, I like to tie it with the bow on the bottom, unless it would be hidden by waist ties, in which case I tie it at the top.

>>9998790
For me it varies on the cut and fit of the dress as it compares to my body. If something is looser at the top than at the waist, I'll lace it bottom to top. If it needs to be comparatively tighter at the waist, I'll go top to bottom.

>>9998790
I always have done top to bottom. I think it helps get the lacing tighter around the waist that way (I have a relatively small waist compared to my bust so I need it looser up top and tight at the bottom). Also, I'm not at all flexible so that way I can tie them easily with the dress already on. But I've seen girls in my comm do it the opposite way, so just try both and see what you prefer.

>>9998044
Not brand but Taobao can deliver. Just got to make sure its quality company, some stores even will do custom sizes.

Saw the oldschool / Ophelia argument going on in the CoF thread, and was wondering:
>do you tend to coord in a more formulaic way? if so, is it because you feel you have to follow the rules to look good, because it's just easier, or some other reason (really liking a certain look, having a capsule wardrobe, etc.)?
>is being creative in your coords important to you, and if so, why? even if you don't coord experimentally yourself, are there any examples of creativity you appreciate?
>do you ever copy or recreate coords directly from street snaps or other inspo? if not, what do you think of those who do?
>what about just buying a full set and wearing it exactly like the brand model?
>do you ever try to make coords / enjoy other people's coords where items from different eras are mixed together, e.g. peeking bloomers in modern lolita? do you think there's a way to do that well, or are you more of a purist?

I'd be really interested in everyone's thoughts on these aspects of creativity in fashion vs. being samey. Note I'm not talking about itas whining about the rules or trying to push boundaries and looking bad as a result, I'm assuming that everyone has already learned to walk before they try to run.

>>9998044
fan plus friend

Lor's latest video made me cringe a bit. You can't wear lolita for an entire day? Really? What kind of weak ass bitch are you? It's true it depends what you're doing all day but jfc it's not that uncomfortable unless you go OTT with a wig ,several tight petti and all . baka, back then i would wear lolita every single day at school.

>>9998928
But since it's hot i'll give her a pass as it's much easier to wear lolita in fall/winter.
I fainted once or twice from wearing lolita (full on covered shoulders and all) during hot weather. I was kawaii but my face looked terrible on pics from how bad I felt

>>9998928
I kinda agree, even though I like Lor the last two videos are super cringe. There are so many lolitas that live in hot climates that make it work. For example:
>Wear a cusew OP
>Wear a regular short sleeve OP
>Wear a cutsew and a skirt
>Thin jsk and a lace ovelay or bolero
>Don't wear a wool beret??
>No wig, simple headbow, make hair buns to keep cool
>Ankle socks
>Shoe inserts
>Also making sure everything fits you properly and is not too tight makes a huge difference in comfort level

Also don't wear the same coord in bed?? Just throw on a sack OP with an AP eyemask headdress, and some bloomers. Boom, cute lolita loungewear or even sleepwear. It's honestly not hard if you have the right pieces in your wardrobe.

And don't even get me started on how she started crying over some black girl almost quitting lolita just because someone said something doesn't go with her skin color. So cringe. Black lolitas are not being discriminated against in lolita or suffering. Just those good examples of black lolitas should be proof enough for that. That was just someone with thin skin that happens to be black. She would find another reason to quit over someone else's another opinion of something she wore.

>>9998890
>is being creative in your coords important to you, and if so, why?
it is ridiculously important. I never wear the same coord twice. I always have to be doing something different and trying new things with my pieces.
I'm really trying to focus on what drew me to lolita in the first place.
Not knocking what gulls call 'samey'. If you have a clear point of view or intent in your fashion go with that. 10 out of 10 times you will turn a successful and clean look (cryptkasper, Austrian queen of casual, Fanny, Tamie, O. Moon come to mind as lolitas who churn out great expressive coords that have a focused feel)
Basically, whatever you are doing make sure you mean it. don't half-ass your coords and be crazy for the sake of crazy.
It's hard to preach this when, as much as I love AP, we pretty much have brand uniforms these days. I say we return to the personal, individual, and the street aspect of Lolita.
>while still looking good

>>9998972
Most lolitas who try to be creative end up looking like shit though. Not trying hate on you in particular because I have no idea what your coordinates look like, but its the truth unfortunately. I have no room to talk anyways, I honestly prefer simple coordinates on myself so I don't even try to be creative.

>>9998928
I agree. I feel like she made the video to be more relatable to all the lolita-at-hearts that bitch about lolita fashion being uncomfortable. If your clothes are uncomfortable then don't wear them, simple as. She isn't doing any favours by trying to portray lolita as something that can never be comfortable if she wants to encourage more people to try the fashion.

>>9998987
I think she genuinely cares and is a sweet person, but she doesn't realise that often coddling someone is worse than telling them the truth.

>>9998972
Ayrt, would you never wear the same coord again even if you happen to really like that specific one a lot, just to keep with your principle of being creative? Not knocking it, just curious about how it works in practice.

I'm the opposite in that while I do appreciate others' creative coords and like looking at them, I rewear entire coords constantly and haven't tried experimenting except when I was all over the place as a new lolita trying to find my style. I have certain dresses I will always wear the exact same way down to every single item, simply because of how much I like that particular look. It's not that I dislike other looks, it's that I'm really so in love with a specific coord that I would happily wear it that way forever. I also tend to coord in a very consistent way beyond just following general rules for lolita. For example, if I'm wearing solid legwear, I'll always match my blouse color (white UTKs with a white blouse).

Despite that, I don't find that all my coords look samey because I wear oldschool and modern sweet as well as gothic, so there's plenty of variation in colors, cuts, etc. It's kind of the opposite of a capsule wardrobe it's not meant to be cohesive, and I'll usually coord a given main piece in only one way instead of making several different coords out of it. Occasionally, this has meant buying something specifically for one coord that doesn't go with anything else in my wardrobe just to match small metallic details or a tiny motif. Instead of going for flexibility, it's more like making the "perfect coord" out of one dress that couldn't possibly be any more cohesive within itself (according to my own taste, I know it's subjective.)

Sorry for blogpost, but I guess I'm asking because I've gotten the general vibe that what I do is somewhat looked down upon. I should clarify I'm not trying to start an argument or defend myself, I'm just curious about different approaches to lolita, and about why some feel this way.

>>9998987
It's what I suspected would come from that video. Pair that with her (paraphrased) claims that "lolita fashion is a fantasy, it's not made to be worn daily" alongside "you can wear lolita daily but then don't come crying to me that it's expensive", and you have a whole lot of stupid misconceptions wildly spreading among people who don't know better. It's just sad. She doesn't have to be a daily lolita or a lifestyler to offer good content but in desperately trying to be "neutral", she spreads misinformation about a fashion that's already misunderstood.

>>9998992
>I've gotten the general vibe that what I do is somewhat looked down upon
From where? Not trying to argue with you, just curious because I haven't seen anyone claim that you shouldn't rewear coords, that's silly. I've only seen that in relation to someone very specific who used to post similar coords in a short time span so people felt that she was "spamming", but it's not a claim that's relevant to everyone in the entire community.
I don't know how long you've been in the fashion but your take on it makes you sound like an oldfag, especially the part where you match your legwear to your blouses; and this is coming from another oldfag, it's not an insult.
Anyway, the reason you might not see similar attitudes today is because OTT is prevalent and popular, people on sm are dazzled by the shiniest coords and flock to them, and aim to have their own take on these looks. They don't think about putting together coherent wardrobes because they don't want to wear lolita often, they want to stand out on sm and at lolita specific events/cons. Wearing lolita daily just isn't popular, or at least it isn't as visible on sm as dressing up like a human cupcake for likes and attention; doesn't mean it's necessarily looked down upon.

>>9999007
It's hard to think of specifics, but I've heard comments irl about people who wear dresses too often. Also every so often on the CoF threads, people will complain about how girls like (can't remember her actual name oops) coconut head always look the same. I know some people were also shitting on Opehlia for being uncreative since she directly copies street snaps piece by piece (although I think people also had some other issues with her). On the other hand, I imagine a lot of the advice saying to always try to be able to coord one dress multiple ways is also just practical advice not meant to diss those who don't. It is just easier on the budget, and for those trying to limit the number of items in their wardrobe for space or other reasons.

I'm actually fairly new since I've only been wearing the fashion for a couple years now. However, I spent several years on and off looking at lolita blogs and street snaps as a kid, especially around the tail end of the oldschool era. That's the style that originally got me into lolita, so that's probably also where a lot of my preferences come from.

I see what you're saying with OTT vs. daily lolita, I agree that it could be a lot of it. It seems there's also always been tension between itas giving experimentation a bad name vs. following the rules to keep lolita being lolita vs. ideas about creativity being important in altfash in general.

>>9998890
>do you ever try to make coords / enjoy other people's coords where items from different eras are mixed together, e.g. peeking bloomers in modern lolita? do you think there's a way to do that well, or are you more of a purist?
I think it's retarded to only wear things from one era together

>>9999035
This. It's fun to see people playing with styles and items from various eras

>>9998890
I love to be creative even though I know other people don't always like weird color combinations or different items incorporated in. For me it makes lolita fresh and exciting. I used to enjoy samey coords but they started to feel like a costume, while more experimental coords look like street style and feel more modern.

I don't mind full sets but please keep it interesting and nice (try different hairstyles and makeup)

>>9998890
I do rather formulaic coords right now. It's partly because it's easier and fool proof, but I also like the way it looks. There's a reason it's a formula.
Being creative isn't that important to me. I'd say I'm much more creative in normie fashion, where standards for creativity are really low.
I feel like "muh creativity" is kind of a newbie thing, the fashion is already great the way it is. I don't need to improvise every time. Most of the time it looks like shit anyway, I feel like people mostly do it to stand out and be even more special.
But, once in awhile I've gotten a really good idea and ran with it. But I don't want to be creative just for the sake of standing out and being different, but because I genuinely think it's a good idea and am excited about making it.
Also, people can innovate and be creative in small ways. You don't need to make a hat with candlesticks or a big honking scepter to be creative and I feel like people miss that nowadays.
Mixing eras is something I like and like to see
I don't care if people copy coords or the brand models, I have considered it. But one difficulty is in hunting down the items. There's one old street snap I would like to copy but getting all the items is difficult and they probably wouldn't match much else in my wardrobe. but idk I might do it anyway.

>>9998961
Don’t forget layering certain boleros under your jsk to trick people into thinking you’re wearing a blouse! I have a super comfy knit one that is the perfect illusion

>>9998928
I wish she would have told us what the temperature actually was when she filmed it.

>>9998992
>>9999023
A lot of the commentary you’re describing are for very specific people, and generally there’s some other thing that’s also being mixed in. eg, someone being popular because they make nice coords would have people commenting on how they only wear one pair of shoes, because (1) that _is_ kinda unusual, and (2) this is cgl and you’re only allowed to either bash people or whiteknight them, I guess.

Ophelia in particular got praised for looking put-together, but the logic is if she’s copying someone else’s coord piece-for-piece, then does she still deserve that praise? And again, you can only either whiteknight or bash people, so you’ll definitely see some bashing going on.

And most of the backlash about having items that only go with one coord is when some newbie actually did come on here to whine that lolita is expensive because she’s buying her third or fourth coord, and apparently she’s so “unique” with whatever she’s doing nothing that from her first coord matches with her second, and nothing from either coord can match well with her planned third coord — by itself this is a bit of a disaster but then she tops the cake by coming to the conclusion that lolita is expensive and every lolita must be bloody richfags because apparently everybody buys a new blouse and a new bag and new shoes for every single new dress they buy??? Like wtf woman, plan your wardrobe better if money is such a big deal to you. So pretty much her stupidity now leads to other people pre-emptively giving advice to match things to each other and not buy a meme bag that will only match that one meme dress.

>>9999023
Part of the shitting on Ophelia was due to that video she made about old school and claiming stupid shit like "heart bags weren't around" when you can see the VW ones in old street snaps. She has a very narrow view of what old school can be based on the photos that she tries to copy, and people who were actually around during that time/era (shit, even just look through egl memories/livejournal from that time) were very confused. Also, if the only way she can put together an outfit is copy photos exactly that giving advice on styling/putting together outfits was possibly not going to be her forte.

>>9999023
People like Ophelia because she's pretty

>>9999145
Toronto has been 25-35 degrees up until this week. Even the first few weeks of sept was this warm. Tbh she should have dressed lighter for it.

>>9998135
Lolita Collective generally has some stock of peppermint fox though they don't always have em online. Maybe message them and ask what they have?

>>9998790

For front facing lacing i lace at the top, and for back lacing I actually only lace up halfway because I'm that bitch with the skinny waist and the big boobs. Halfway lacing it makes it fit my shape much better

>>9999143
Nobody believes you are wearing a knitted blouse

>>9998790
I have dresses straight fromt he brand that are both ways, but the way that makes sense to me is the following.

If the piece has waist ties, the corset lacing should be done from bottom to top so the bows don't overlap with one another.

If the piece doesn't have waist ties, they should go top to bottom so that you can easily draw in the lacing for waist definition.

This is just like my opinion man. You can lace however you want.

>>9999371
This, I don't know what this Anon is thinking
>>9999245
I want to read this, any idea how I could search for it in the archive?

>>9998890
I have no problem with someone copying snaps. Some people aren't very creative, and that's okay. It's better to imitate things if you know you'll fail. I do think it's better to just be inspired by street snaps, but I know it's hard to understand this fashion fully, I've been here for a while and I still feel like I'm learning about the fashion and about what I like.
I think it's always going to be a lot more fun when the fashion represents the wearer, coming up with new ways to wear a dress or even something small, like socks, is something I really enjoy. I don't understand the point of wearing a fashion if it's not personal and represents the wearer well, but I don't judge people for the way they want to experience the fashion as long as they aren't annoying or ita.

>>9999336
>only way she can put together an outfit is copy photos
but if you follow her you know that that is not the case. she has a solid sens of taste and coordination, which I've seen her apply to other styles like dolly kei, menhera, and CPK.
I appreciate her obsession with following what was available in those early days of the fashion. Gulls need to stop attempting to erase her well-demonstrated coording ability with this she-only-copies-snaps meme. Old snaps and brand catalogs inform the substyle. Do you get mad at gothic lolitas for not incorporating tea parties into their coords? no, because that's just not done and isn't in-line with the vibe and aesthetic of the substyle.

How low is too low of a price? I just got offered $50 plus shipping for a $200 item because of a minor damage kek

>>9999457
I don't know what the damage is but that sounds hilariously low. I wouldn't even entertain it with a response.

>tfw lolitas who have no idea how lace is made bitch about lace "quality"

>tfw lolitas think the type of lace matters more than the motif and material it's made of

>tfw homemade lolitas think it's cool to use lace with contrasting motifs to the actual dress because "it's 'high quality' lace"

>tfw this is how we get floral laces on candy-themed sweet dresses you sick fucks

>tfw homemade lolitas avoid extremely fine and unique raschel lace just b/c "it's machine made" without actually inspecting the quality and design of that specific trim

>tfw those lolitas use "high quality" lace with the same patterns that make $0.10 raschel lace so generic and cheap looking instead

Please up your lace game, gulls.

>>9999464
That's what happens when your subculture gets filled with people who parrot information they read on a blog once instead of actually internalizing it, and have no eye for detail, construction, and quality in general. Sad, really.

>>9998992
>would you never wear the same coord again even if you happen to really like that specific one a lot, just to keep with your principle of being creative?

I never get attached to a particular coord, just the feeling or vibe of it. Because of that, I'll always switch my hairstyle or the accessories around that I use with a piece to improve or expand the last coord I did with those pieces. I'm also a substyle hopper so my wardrobe affords me the variety&room to try different things all the time.
I do enjoy wearing simple coords, especially when pressed for time, but I'll space out whether I wear the rectangle headdress or the twin clips in a blkxwhite coord, for example. This is just something that I've always done, even before I started lolita. I'm fixated on trying different combinations every time. It's my process, I guess I have a compulsion lol

>>9999402

The newbie buying full coords? No idea. All the words are so generic and it was really short. She basically complained that she can't put together a third coord without buying entirely new things and wanted to know how other lolitas kept up with the expense. Some people replied that she was stupid beyond dumb and then she shut up. Was good for not derailing the general but kinda hard to search for I guess.

It's around the era of the shark purse and the doge meme print dress, if that helps. Some of us speculated that she may have bought the shark purse to match a whale dress and a dog purse to match the doge print dress.

>>9999464

>floral laces on candy-themed sweet dresses

Actually, it's because candy motifs on lace is pretty rare. There's only one known taobao store that does it, and it's known to straight up copy AP lace for it. Other candy lace motifs have also been found to be copied off AP lace.

So that one I'd be willing to let slide. It might just be folks who prefer not to support replicas, even design replicas, and just live with putting floral lace on candy sweet print dresses.

>>9999524
There's such a thing as "neutral" lace though, like the kind that features dots if we're talking about tulle lace, or pretty much most other kinds of lace that simply have geometric designs and no specific motif. It's not flower lace or bust, you know.

>>9999540

If it's tulle lace, the ones with dots are also ripped off from both Baby and AP, by the same shop. They even helpfully show a closeup of the lace on Btssb/AP stock photos to show you that they replicated it. It's a "neutral design", but it's the same shop still doing the copying, and when you don't even know that they copied it they helpfully point out to you that they copied the lace, on their sales pages.

It's surprisingly had to find tulle or venise lace that isn't floral. Sometimes the geometric stuff just looks worse than slapping a floral motif on it. I'd still give it a pass, I've yet to see an example where a beautiful candy-themed dress is completely crippled just because the lace is floral. More often the problem is the lace isn't properly ruffled, is the wrong length, doesn't suit the dress design, etc etc, anything other than the lace being floral and the print being candies.

>>9999562 >>9999524
You do understand that lacemaking is a huge industry that exists outside the realm of lolita, correct? Taobao is certainly not the be-all-end-all place to buy lace.

It is not difficult at all to find non-floral venetian, cluny, knit, bobbin, embroidered, beaded, crochet, needle, or cutout lace. Period. Geometric and abstract designs are not in any way uncommon.

If you need a specific motif that isn't machine made yet, you can commission a lacemaker or learn to make it yourself. Otherwise, there are a thousand other ways to trim a lolita dress without losing the aesthetic.

>>9999589

Yes, but if it's a lightweight fabric, say a sheer silk chiffon, half the laces you mentioned will look heavier and clunkier than using tulle lace. imo that's a worse sin than simply using floral tulle lace instead. So again, I'm still inclined to give it a pass.

I'm not the one that brought up tulle lace with dots. It seems like it would be a generic lace but is surprisingly hard to find outside of that one taobao copycat lace shop.

Out of the list in >>9999464 all I said was there's some reason why someone might just go for floral lace with candy themed fabric. And I didn't even approve of it, I just said I'd let it slide as I can understand why they'd do it.

>>9999455
You are basically saying the same thing as us. There are a huge variety of snaps. No one is saying to wear sweet with classic. We're pointing out the huge variety that was available within just oldschool alone. You could wear VW, Milk, BTSSB, Meta, Naoto, and a variety of other brands. At the time in normie fashion you could also get chunky platforms as that was the style. But not everyone has those, some wore plain pumps and weird boots. Some wore very plain and simple shoes. So "accuracy" to very old oldschool is a ridiculous myth in a sense. You can't wear glittery AP pumps, but there was more than the same 3 Bodyline styles available and being used for oldschool. Same thing with headdresses, they didn't all wear the same bonnet and rectangle headdress. Little crowns and mini hats were popular also

>>9999608
>half the laces you mentioned will look heavier and clunkier
What are you on about? I only mentioned the techniques. Most of them can use any size yarn or fiber type, with a few exceptions.

>I can understand why someone might just go for floral lace with candy themed fabric.
I also understand and honestly don't care what other people use on their dresses.

My point is that it's dumb to be so critical of "lace quality" when you don't care about the actual quality of the fucking lace. Gulls have crazy low standards for it but talk like they're connoisseurs. It's so cringey.

>>9999608
>tulle lace dots seem generic but are actually hard to find outside that one taobao shop

... have you tried searching "polka dot tulle" on Etsy or Ebay? Because there's tons of it there.

Just cut the yardage into strips and ruffle. Tulle doesn't need to be hemmed.

I bought Cat's Masquerade op in black because I thought it looked amazing
Now I'm terrified if I wear it, everyone will think I'm a horrifying it's mess
I'm hoping I can coord it way ott, wear it for the Halloween meet up, and say it's ott kuro hime for Halloween

that me blog post, I'm just scared no one will recognize that it's AP and mistake it for that fucking And Romeo piece of shit

>>9999717
I mean it looks nice in the stock photos, and the fabric looks high quality, I wouldn't worry, but it does look like you'll need a few petticoats to give it the proper shape.

>>9999722
Thank you, that honestly makes me feel a lot better
and bright side is, I have four bunny house super-larges

>>9999717
wtf you literally posted this same thing last week
you want more validation, you ita snowflake?

>>9999728
sorry dude, I'm super nervous

>>9998961
>Also don't wear the same coord in bed?? Just throw on a sack OP with an AP eyemask headdress, and some bloomers. Boom, cute lolita loungewear or even sleepwear.
I'll never forget the amount of dumb assholes on here giving me shit for sleeping in brand.

God how things have changed.

>>9999619

The techniques may be there, but most of them aren't commercially available in the lightest weight that will match sheer chiffon. Unless you're saying home-sewing gulls now need to go out and buy their own factory to make their own lace every time they put together a dress with candy-themed fabric.

Then again, you're the one that keeps arguing people need to be anal about lace motifs rather than the quality.

So I guess you're proving your own argument after all. All right then, you win. You're the gull that talks like a know-it-all. Happy?
>>9999646

That's kind of a step backwards, isn't it? Replacing tulle lace with unfinished tulle netting. Besides, using tulle netting gives a completely different feeling to the dress than using tulle lace that has a scalloped edging and regularly spaced motifs on it.

And you're making these changes to your design because some anon on 4chan insists using floral lace with a candy print fabric means you don't know lace. I'll pass, thanks.

>>9999774
/cgl/ isnt a hivemind

>>9999774

The only time I've seen someone get flack for it the specific dress in question has buttons on every side that would make every side uncomfortable to sleep in. I can see how people would roll their eyes at that.

Can I just suggest a solution to the "x lace on a candy print home made dress" argument?

Don't use candy or fucking cupcake print fabric in your goddamn home made dresses. It invariably looks like absolute shit, and has nothing to to with the choice of lace, be real.

>>10000023

Specifically don't use all of the quilting fabric with cupcakes printed on them, you mean? I agree, most of them suck, especially the ones from western quilting fabric makers.

However, it's totally within the skill of some people to draw up a cute dessert print and sell it via spoonflower. No service exists yet that lets you draw up a motif and have it made in lace to match your (bought or self-iilustrated) spoonflower fabric, though.

>>10000042
I've literally never seen a cute homemade sweets print dress. The macaron fabric and shit like that are butt ugly. IF someone could actually illustrate cakes and sweets well, maybe there would be a good fabric. But it's all about the quality of your drawing and how it works as a dress

I'm making a sweets print, it's cute, and everyone can fight me.


I agree that I hate motif mixing in lace though. I made one skirt with a rose pattern lace when there's no roses in the fabric and it still bothers me

>>9999785
hence me mentioning the change.

>>9999821
Not every piece is comfy, no, but a lot are.

>>9999717
And Romeo isn't shit, they have amazing petticoats

>>10000121
this.
babby seems to be misunderstanding that Milanoo puts out shitty replicas of nice AndRomeo designs.

>>10000088

I thought Otome no Sewing does all right with sweets print fabric. Granted, it's put together by professionals for a home sewing book.

>>9999717
> that me blog post, I'm just scared no one will recognize that it's AP and mistake it for that fucking And Romeo piece of shit

Do not worry anon, nobody will mistake brand for that shit. The quality of piece makes obvious difference, and also there’s a plenty of small details that make it special. I’m saying that as someone who’s been hoarding AP since very first day in fashion. Please, never worry about that!

>>9998890
I always try to be creative with the items I have. For me it's not specifically about being original, but it makes me really happy when I manage to combine stuff in my wardrobe that wouldn't have been obvious with the dress right away.
There's nothing really wrong copying coords from pictures or wearing full sets, but for me it takes the fun out of it. I love to find out something in my closet (even if it's a borderline normie top, although I won't call it lolita if it's more normie) coincidentally matches something else perfectly and then building a coord around that. I don't care about people mixing styles or eras of lolita either. If something looks good together, it just does. And that's what I aim for. Fussing about purity even if a coord looks nice just seems silly to me.

>>9999783 jfc
>lightweight lace isn't commercially available
Fine lace is the standard, not the exception. Learn to google.

>you're saying home-sewing gulls need to buy their own factory
??? None of the lacemaking techniques I mentioned require more than a few cheap craft tools. You can commission lacemakers from etsy, craft sites, local groups, or (if you need it in bulk) ali. Or make your own.

>tulle netting gives a dress a completely different feel than tulle lace
Tulle lace is just netting that has been embroidered, painted, beaded, cutout, etc. (Plain tulle is already a form of bobbin lace, by the way.)

>but if I cut with straight scissors then it won't have the scalloped edge I get on taobao
...then use scissors with a scalloped edge. If you also want the edge embroidered, use the scallop stitch on your sewing machine or do it by hand. It's quick once you get the hang of it.

>because some anon on 4chan insists you don't know lace
I mean, this conversation isn't helping your case.

>>10000171

>using scalloped scissors to get a scalloped edge on tulle netting

>this conversation is some kind of case now

........yeah. You definitely win. At something.


>make your own lace

You know what comes next after this, right? If you don't show us your delicate homemade/commissioned homemade lace on a lovely lolita dress then it's basically confirmed you were talking out your ass, right? How are you going to tell people to just make their own when you can't make your own either?

It's fine, you don't have to answer. I can see this conversation isn't really going anywhere anyway. I wasn't even arguing with any of your points, just pointing out people may have reasons to use a different motif.

polite sage for pointlessness. Sorry for keeping this "case" going for so long.

>>10000183
Would you prefer a sample or tutorial, anon? Request a motif.

>>10000183
>>10000246
Why are you discussing this in the Gen and not the handmade thread?

>>10000263
It started with a gen rant. Sorry if we got off topic in the end.

Holy Lantern for your AP plush bags.

>>10000148
That one is the first one I've ever seen that was okay, but if you put it in the garish colorways (teal, pink, orange) that Western handmade lolitas wear, it would be ugly

>>10000273
Watch me stuff an Usakumya in it.

>>10000171
>tulle lace is just netting thats been embroidered
The weights and hand of most easily accessable tulle net is completly different than the net thats used to make tulle lace
But by all means anon, if you wanna make some ita mess with scratchy stiff tulle net cut with scrapbook scissors as trim be my guest

>>10000273
does it come in 4t?

>>10000296
>most easily accessable tulle net
What is buying decent materials
What is spelling

>>10000284
Okay, that'd actually be really cute anon.

>>10000296
Anon, tulle is one of the most accessible fabrics out there. You can literally buy fine silk varieties by the yard in any color you want on almost any online marketplace.

On a good day, you can probably find it in the fabric section at Walmart :|

>>10000331
These aren't children's dresses, it's literally for the plush toys/bags.

>>10000273
I would have love to sat in on this design meeting
"So our customers love to wear our sets but we've reached the literal limit of clothing"
"Well what about their purses?"

>>10000023
truth. The stigma was enough to turn me off Melty Cream Donut

>>10000455
ntayrt but holy shit, what is humor for you?

>>10000357
>Walmart fabric section
And itas wonder why their handmade looks like shit

can't find something on lolibrary that i saw years ago, rip

anybody know when sweetie violet mto ships?

>>10000650

It said Nov 2018 when it was open to order. I haven't found any updates since though.

New Meta release dropping tomorrow! This one is made of shantung and costs 34800

>>10000685
Here are the other colourways. There is also a weird huge canotier available. >Also, Meta's collab with Mickey Mouse is available for general purchase now.

>>10000686
>I fucked up

Has anyone bought these moitie cardigans? I'm really on the fence because on one hand I feel like it's kind of a steep price for such an incredibly plain design, but on the other hand the example coordinates are cute and moitie quality is usually excellent. If anyone has any opinions at all I'd be happy to hear them, especially with regards to whether or not they are itchy.

>>10000703
If it's the cotton/poly blend I can say it's not itchy. I own another style of one of their logo cardigans and it's very comfortable.

>>10000703
While I don't own one I did briefly feel one up at Hellocon, they're very soft and non-itchy.

>>10000707
>>10000710

Thank you both! Looks like I'll probably end up buying one in that case, I've had a hard time getting them out of my head

>>10000686
post mickey collab?

>>10000713
Do leave a review when it comes!

Whatever happened to Mulberry Chronicles? I just checked their site out of curiosity and it says they're on hiatus?

>>10001245
Probably lost creative drive after no longer being able to ride Peppermint Fox's coat-tails.

>>10001245
>>10001249

It's a shame. I own one of their dresses and it's honesly better quality than pepfox.

is it just me or the new sleeping garden looks cheap as fuck?
it is one of my dream prints but it seriously looks like shit compared to the original.
I guess I'm just gonna keep hoping that my preferred cut/colorway will pop up still

New from Moitie
>https://twitter.com/moitie_official/status/1045600280946069504

>>10001344
Maybe it’s because of the atrocious styling/posing?

From Physical Drop
Yes, those are eyes.
>https://twitter.com/katokuniko/status/1045576924712525824

>>10001346
I love it but they need to stop using Wunderwelt's photographer

>>10001344
It’s just you. It was always a slightly cringe photoshop job, the quality is the same.

>>10001385
Looks like babbys first sewing project. Everything Kato-san does is either pig disgusting or adorable

>>10001346
Is this pastel goth?

>>10000934
Here you go anon. It's the best of the Mickey collabs imo

>>10001385
That is awful. With the elastic waist and all, looks like it's made from a hot topic bedsheet.

>>10001385
This is pretty bad, but I bet someone could make it work. Physical Drop is like that. Kato-san's stock pics are always awful but the coord pics AtePi takes using the same dresses look great. Just going down the Instagram tag is fascinating, it really shows that Physical Drop's dresses (which are usually very plain or simple) really can look amazing or awful depending on how they are styled and who wears them. There are so many examples of the same dress looking great in one coord and absolutely shit in others. I think the old school simplicity missed with the modern materials confuses a lot of people who style them too.
>Elasticated waist usually means you're meant to wear something like an apron to corset over it
>Excentrique used to do that too

>>10001344
All of the new Moitie re-releases look like that because of the way the pics are taken.

>>10001249
Still with this vendetta?

What's the Michigan comm like? My therapist wants me to try to meet people with similar interests but I'm not sure wether or not joining the local comm is something I'd want to do. I'm not really interested in joining a comm.

Anyway, I'm curious because I looked into it once way back in ye olde LJ days and everyone was pretty standoffish, and always a 2 or 3 hour drive away. Also, the few photos I've even seen of the comm online were super hot mess ita.

>>10001653
Wrong thread anon. >>9983434
But it is good imo, a lot of us are gulls. More and more newbies at meets though, which I guess isn't a bad thing.

>>10001653
Just joining a comm isn't much of a commitment. If you're not interested in any of the meets, you don't have to go.

>>10001653
If you're worried about everyone being an ita, it doesn't take long to stalk their FB page or whatever for a bit. Also, it's not like there's official "comm membership" or obligation to stay in the comm or anything. You could go to one meet just to see what it's like. There's always a chance you'll enjoy it and keep going. If not, you've only lost a few hours of your time, and you don't have to go back. It's not a big deal.

>>9998012
>what I see

>>10001794
as if that's a bad thing

This shit is not worth $700. Can someone knock some sense into this no reviews scalper? Inb4 you want it. Negative I sold this ser with custom made jewelry for $500 and I own another one in a different color way.

>>10001814
Dropped pic like a savage ape

Anything i can do to recolor the rickrack that has faded completely to white? It’s in various areas. Bought it secondhand filthy and after a wash I noticed this. Got it extremely cheap so not too concerned if nothing could be done.

>>10001833
best bet is to probably rip it all out and attach new ricrac

>>10001815
Is this the genius listing calling it Baby and not AP?

>>10001840
I just double-checked, it is!

>>10001815
This person seems pretty sketchy, not all the items have proof pics, the profile seems incoherent despite them living in the us and the proof pictures that are provided give the vibe to be stolen from old mercari/yahooauctions/fril listings. The milkway op photos seem to imply this the most.

>>10001833
You might be able to get some sort of fabric marker, but it might bleed onto the base fabric. best bet is to completely replace it, or have it replaced for you.

>>10001845
Listed as New Without Tag but her proof photo is of her wearing it.

>>10001861
>implying it's actually her and not pics "she"s stolen off somewhere as "proof pics"

>>10001423
I don't think anyone can make her hot messes look great though. Do you have any examples?
I always find her tailoring to be lazy and not worth the price. It's a simple rectangle with an elastic waist with barely any details. Almost anyone can do that.

Her dresses also rely on a lot of shirring or waist ties to give a semblance of shape and it doesn't always work.

>>10001861
I've definitely seen this picture on instagram. I also found this pic on TMall and the owner is ofc, in China.

>>10001814
To be fair the bidding price is reasonable, it's just the BIN that's insane

>>10001885
This is so unfortunate, especially since the ruffles and pintucks look gorgeous. The cut though... oh no.

>>10001346
WTF happened with their sizing? I'm okay if they're going to offer bigger pieces, but why abandon the smaller sizes?? Shit

>>10002080
That's why I have a lot of bustiers

>>10002111
I've considered getting one to experiment more with my coords, would you say they're worth it?

>>10002109
There's still size 9.
The size 13, though. Wew.

>>10002112
Yes they are

>>10002144
I mean, the original sizing started on 82cm bust, which matches the last Size 2 for the Neo Gothic rerelease.

This size 9 starts at 85 now. The sizes seem to be getting bigger? I hope they still produce the smaller on the next releases...

Has anyone noticed that most of the "stained" items Wunderwelt lists on Lace Market are light colored items or dark items with light lace and the lace is stained?
For example they recently listed 2 Btssb Ginger Man OPs from 2005 on their main site with minimal damages in wine red and black.
Then they listed the ivory one on lacemarket with lots of gross yellow stains.
rly makes u think that the red and black ones probably haven't been washed either and are just as nasty but its not visible.

>>10002269
Yeah dude they only list the worst condition items on lacemarket

>>10002269
I don't think it really matters, you should always wash everything you get secondhand anyway.

secrets

>>10002386
Wow they're back. What are #1 and #8 in reference to (i.e. which comm/groups?)

>>10002156
Moitie put the same sizing for every piece 82B 64W but that was almost never the real garment size. For reference I’m 88/90B 68W and can fit almost everything, some pieces are even roomy. Moitie was just lazy

>>10002156
NGA wasn’t ever 82 cm, and anything with back shirring was always roomy.

See Juliet op or cross op for non shirring measurements of size 9 before you complain too much

>>10002417
the discord server

Why does GLF fest feel like it was organised by ex-anime convention staff? It's all competitions and weird stage acts.
I'm sort of enjoying myself but it's definitely not what I expected since I'd seen and heard great things about Russian lolitas. I'm a little out of touch since my Russian isn't great so maybe I'm just missing the nuances of performances or something

>>10002589
The maid cafe is what really makes it feel like an anime con for me. It really doesn't fit in and I don't like how much they're crossing over otaku and lolita here.

>>10002269
I've only ever ordered from the Japanese site, and nothing's been gross. But I've never ordered anything that was below C rank.

>>10001653
I've got a lot of friends in the Chicago com, it's pretty nice, just avoid creeper man RK

It's getting cold out, so it's time to get new socks! Any good places to go for socks right now?

Also, are there any places to get decent lace socks other than the big 5 lolita brands? I've never seen any but, hey, maybe I just haven't found them yet?

>>10002788
If you mean lace top OTKs, you can find pic related on eBay and Aliexpress from a bunch of different sellers. They're very similar to Baby's OTKs except that they come in stark white rather than off white, and the quality is lesser, but still not bad if you wear them often and need many pairs.

>>10002794
I think they meant the entirely lace socks like baby's.
>>10002788
I've never seen anywhere selling them outside of Japan desu. They are also more of a spring/summer sock, so I don't think you'll be finding them anytime soon.

>>10002794
Silly question but would it be possible to tea or coffee dye the stark white socks to make them slightly off white?

>>10002589
Isn't Russia really fucked up at the minute? It seems bizarre that anyone would want to go there.

>>10002811
I think so since it's all cotton as far as I can tell, but I have no experience with tea dying so can't be too sure.

>>10002794
>>10002805
I meant both kinds actually. Obviously the all lace socks arent really in season right now, as you said. It just seems like nobody makes nice lace socks.

>>10002811
Just in case you've never done it becore, I reccomend coffee staining personally. Tea staining seems to end up with a greenish undertone I'm not a fan of personally, but it depends on your personal taste.

gulls, what's worse?

the crippling remorse when a dress you've been talking yourself out of buying in order to save money suddenly sells, lost from your grasp forever?

or the crippling panic when you go for a more-expensive-than-you're-comfortable-with dress and realize you've spent more than you should've and need to sell other things from your wardrobe to make up for?

>>10003213
The latter, I suppose, though that's never happened to me. I've had things bought under me after contemplating for months about whether I truly "needed" them and yeah it sucks but it passes eventually, nbd.

someone tell me how much it costs to ship a dress from aus and eu to the USA?

>>10003213
Definitely overspending is much worse. Unless it's really a one of a kind dress it will pop up again eventually. It might feel like it was your only chance but I guarantee it's not. Ive missed out on my dream dresses, rare dream items and found them again later. Unless you only buy new releases lolita is not an instant gratification hobby.

New stuff from IW

>>10003213

I've had the chance to preorder Cat's Tea Party, buy Sugary Carnival straight from the shop, Clockwork Tea Party, Elizabeth Bride of Death, Gloria (both) and didn't, because I didn't really have quite enough money. You bet it stings when they become dream dresses and are still difficult to find.

Sugary Carnival I passed on the OP because I wanted the jsk, eventually bought it secondhand at nearly retail price and it's already time when everybody else is rolling their eyes at it. gdi. I could have bought the OP at retail, modded it, wore it out and saved myself all the heartache pining over it. Elizabeth I own in navy and want the ivory, of course that's the one colour they don't re-release and now I'm looking at overpaying for it after someone else already wore it. Great. Just great.

Clockwork Tea Party is one of those where the colourways I don't want are the ones that keep coming up for sale. On the upside, I don't want it that badly anymore because I'm getting too old for it. baka I spent so much time pining over a goddamn dress and now it no longer fits my style. I should have just put it on my CC, went out and had the time of my life and then sold it.

The second one rarely happens to me, if you can't tell. I've put things on my CC and had to pay interest while I wait for paychecks, but rarely to the point where I spend money I can't pay back.

tl;dr they both suck.

>>10002823
Are you American

>>10004366
>Dress of the Holy Church
Fucking gorgeous. Too bad it's all black, if the yoke and collar were white or beige I'd preorder it yesterday.

>>10004443
Right? That one would look better in two colors because of the weird jsk over blouse look it has, while the other one would look way better in all black with black lace. I am salty, I want one of those but neither of really quite right

>>10004481
>the weird jsk over blouse look
It's called a yoke, and there's nothing weird about it, it's just a specific kind of design.

>>10002823
Nah a country where a neo nazi would still get the life beat out of him is a good country in my books

>>10004490
I don't like the size of the yoke and the trim though, it just looks too much like weirdly coordinated separates. Some yokes work and some don't

>>10003213
The first. Every time. And they're always super rare.

>>10003213
First bc I never let myself overspending that much I need to take debt. I shall forever regret for that MCD dress nobody wanted for months on Tokyo Alice.

Anyone owns a dress from doudou0223 on taobao? They're so unknown and it's my first time purchasing a dress that isn't brand and i'm afraid to taint my perfect wardrobe with cheap shit but they have a really nice dress perfect for daily wear.
the reviews are all good but still,it's not a known taobao brand so i'm a bit iffy on it

question, when a MTO is released, they put a month and year the orders will be shipped out. the month and year has passed and there's no word. should i email the brand?

>>10004539
Post the link

>>10004539
I just looked at their store and all the dresses are around 100rmb. It is guaranteed to be cheap fabric. The question is, do you really mind? if you want a genuinely good quality dress from a taobao store, be prepared to spend at least 300rmb, usually more like 500-600.

>>10004551
Usually they have an update on their website/Twitter/blog about it. What MTO are you referring to?

lol is this girl really trying to pass replicas off as real?

>>10004715
Probably thinks everyone is retarded like she is.

>>10004499
>that moitiefag life tho

>>10004715
if that's on LM, report it

>>10004725
Not that anon but I reported it as soon as I saw it. I'm a basic bitch HLfag and seeing that listing ticked me off.

>>10004606
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-18402583944.43.51cb7114lIkKTm&id=566492306884

>>10004609
that's what i thought but i really like this one so i'm hesitant

>>10004750
also am quite fond of this one,looks very light,simple and comfy

>>10004715
Anon, can you tell me how you can tell it's a replica? I'm not all that familiar with HL but that looks a lot like the set released in 2013. Genuine question since I'd like to know how to spot replicas.

>>10004795
Replicas are supposed to, surprise, replicate items so obviously they're going to look similar.

>>10004802
Different Anon, but I don't know how you can tell either. Most replicas are obviously garbage but this looks really similar to me.

>>10004805
>most replicas are obviously garbage

Not true. Some HL replicas look close, the melty cream donut replicas look very close, and the cream cookie collection replicas were almost spot on at one point.

>>10004795
It is the 2013 release. I think anon is mixing it up with the 2015 version which uses arguably better lace and has a less wonky looking bow.

>>10004807
Do you know what "most" means?

>>10004795
left is real, right is a replica

>>10004817
xDddd no i don't know what it mean :3c

>>10004820
How embarrassing, ffs

>>10004715
Ask her to show the AP tag. It would be more fun than reporting her although i feel for the poor soulbaby that would fall in the trap.
I can't tell the difference between this and >>10004795 myself tbqh

>>10004835
Meant to just write soul, wtf autocorrect

>>10004835
someone already did

>>10004838
Can we have caps?

>>10004844
Are you seriously too lazy to go to the listing and check for yourself?

>>10004847
hey don't come at like that
i just asked a question

>>10004855
>being serious about wanting to be spoonfed
Lurk more newfag

Physical drop, I am so tempted by that beautiful green color.

>>10004870
And AP is releasing this to cater to the Chinese need of OTT.

>>10004877
>that op

F u c k yes it's like a not shit version of antoinette decoration

>>10004870
That green is fantastic, but the sewing on the bodice seems... Bumpy? And like anything you wore under it would leave a very visible outline

>>10004877
>upcoming ap release
>still not the one with fur lining and leapord rose print
>ffffffff

>>10004893
It looks so weird though anon.

>>10004892
That's pretty normal for light weight polyester though. It looks like it's just bumpy because it's not sitting right on the mannequin, the other colorways look fine. They've also been layering it under an over dress in the promo pics though I think it looks better alone.

>>10004904
nayrt but
>weird

You mean perfect???

>>10004904
Fuck me dead I want this jsk badly

>>10004870
C-cute...

>>10004907
>>10004909
I will give you the fur is kinda cute. But all the tulle kills it for me. Why did they have to add it, it only makes the dress more fragile and ghosts the print.

>>10004820
And you can tell the right is a replica right away because it looks awful. The lm listing doesn't look this bad at all.
I suspect other anons are dumb and lm listing isn't a replica.

>>10004921
There are plenty of HL replicas that don't look that bad. Some tips to look for are

>opacity and size of print
>obvious hem lines
>bad lace
>disproportionate sizing in the cut compared to what has been officially released

Based on almost all of those this points to being a replica. I'll kek if it's not and it's just a shit AP piece but the seller not responding to any of the comments on the peice and not initially providing more pics DOES point to it being a replica.

>>10004893
That's getting a early reservation at some of the stores, so that's bound to come out within a week or two.

>>10004892

It's too big for the mannequin, all three dresses are. I think the bust point is like an entire inch or more below and wider than the mannequin's own bust point, the entire bodice is probably much bigger tha the mannequin. Using the waist ties to pull the dress tighter is definitely going to cause some bumps and wrinkles as the dress technically doesn't fit. If you're small-sized, you might want to check the measurements, but I think the sewing itself is pretty solid-looking.

I can't say about things underneath being visible, though. The outer fabric seems to have good drape but is really sheer, so it'll depend entirely on the lining -- which we can't see anything of.

>>10004750
>>10004752

Neither of these look all that great to be honest. They're kind of obviously polyester and don't even bother pretending to be anything better. The cotton lace on the other one seems to emphasise how polyester the polyester is, even.

As for comfort level, they seem to be using cheap georgette chiffon. I live in the tropics and personally find this to be one of the most unbreathable fabric ever invented. Might be okay if you don't particularly mind being dressed in a nicely textured plastic bag. I guess.

>>10004920
ohhh that op is calling me

>>10004870
>>10004906
Man I just really love Physical Drop. How can I order this?

>>10004752
go for this one it looks better than the other piece with random cotton lace and it's much prettier

>>10004991
nayrt but aren't some brand pieces made out of polyester?

>>10004991
Yeah you're right,I'm just gonna keep my money for some brand or higher quality taobao brand.
Although aren't some brand pieces made out of polyester iirc?

>>10005032

Better, nicer polyester. Floaty, sheer chiffon is the most popular type, but only if it's actually floaty. Another good use is fake silk, polyester shantung does an excellent job standing in for the real thing. Or jacquard with woven-in designs, or the twill stuff that's normally used for business suits, or the pearskin stuff, or any 101 variant of actually good polyester.

This shop you linked though. The drape's horrible, see the way the ruffles stick out all over the place? And the fabric isn't even pretending to be anything cool. It's just sitting there being plastic fabric.

>>10004715
aaand they posted the tags
so who's been talking out of their ass here

>>10004893
Its on special pre reservation now!

>>10004750
yeah i agree with the other anon, the quality looks bad. if you are looking for non-print in this style, try crucis or little dipper

>>10004715
AP’s quality is so awful these days. Is it really luxury brand if you can’t see difference between replica and the legit one?

>>10005090
It’s from 2013 and they were being dumb. Anons love to call people out without fact checking.

>>10005026
It's on her website.
http://tawaraya-kato.ocnk.net/phone/
You could try emailing atelier pierrot about it too since they do international orders instead of using an ss/fs. They've always been excellent to work with in my experience.

>>10004795
I’ll be honest it looked like a replica simply because the design on it is off, the headbow looks bent, and it looks smaller than what it is and almost latex looking. I guess it isn’t a replica though and we’re all here assuming (ass out of u and me)

>>10004715
>>10004795
Wow, the lace is fucking awful on this release.

>>10004930
No it doesn't. She probably doesn't want to deal with idiots that like to guess at authentication.

>>10005110
This, seriously. What the fuck is the design even supposed to be? The backing is so dense and shiny that the embroidery fades into it on photos.

>>10005102 >>10004795
I assumed it was a replica because the bodice has a different cut of the print than the official photos (there's a cross above the bow instead of a bird cage) and the lace looked a bit shorter. But I guess the exact cut varied from size to size.

Does anyone know the name of this print or who made it?
I have absolutely no info on it

>>10005118
It says Baby the Stars Shine Bright right there in the print, anon.

>>10005121
Welp, I'm retarded, thanks anon

>>10004892
it's very clearly lined anon, everywhere but the sleeves

>>10005110
>>10005117
what do you expect: it's the special set, which is usually either the 'lite' and thus cheaper version of the previous release or the more generous cut, sizing-wise (as in HC).

>>10004906
>>10004989
Thanks for the info, and yeah looking back at it the mannequin isn't the right size
>>10005137
I have lined dresses that still show the outlines of the underclothes, so I'm hoping the lining on this dress is a bit thicker

>>10005138
I have some of AP's special sets and none of them have awful shitty lace like that.

>>10005110
I think it's chantilly lace, which isn't bad quality but it is admittedly odd looking thematically because the lace has a floral design.

>>10005115
You seem to be getting awfully upset about this. It's commonplace to provide proof on pieces like this. you sound new

>>10004904
Do you have any pics of the white/red colourway of the jsk?

>>10004920
Yeah for a fur-lined dress the tulle seems out of place.

>>10005078
How what and where? Does special reservation mean 'in store only'?

>>10004989
>>10005099
>bust 98.5
>waist 124
I'm so fucking angry about this recent trend of huge dresses. Who the hell is it supposed to look good on?

>>10005177
Not really if you keep up with japanese trends and other fashions than lolita but I guess if you don't keep up with fashion in japan I can see why you'd think this

>>10005186
Nayrt, but just because it's trendy, doesn't mean it makes sense. We all know AP follows trends, that doesn't make it work.

>>10005195
t. tasteless casual

The combo and fur and tulle has been done time and time again, mostly used to portray a girly yet "high class" look. But it's also been utilized in shabby chic.

>>10004877
This is normally something I would love but something about it looks cheap and I can't put my finger on it. Maybe its all the white lace or colors they used. Perhaps it looks better in person.

>>10004904
The tulle really kills this for me too and it doesn't look removable. Why obstruct the print? I would get this in a heartbeat otherwise.

>>10005197
As I said, just because it's been done, doesn't make it look work.

>>10005206
Alright you clearly know nothing about fashion.

>>10005185
>98 bust 124 waist
Wait what? Why would they even include waist ties for a dress that seems to be made in a sack cut? This isn't going to sit right on anyone, then. Who tf wants unavoidable wavy seams on their tits

>>10005197
Shabby chic is a decor style. I think you mean "boho".

>>10005206
>doesn't make it look work

retard confirmed.

>>10005210
You are also retarded apparently.

>>10005186
I meant more like I was expecting an all-out wintery dress so the tulle kind of throws that aesthetic off and makes it seem more summery. I still love it and will proabably buy it, but the combo does seem off at a first glance.

>>10005213
Why were you expecting that? That's not what any of the preview pics showed and I have no idea how you look at a leopard print with black overlay, muted tones for ap, and fur piece and think it looks summery.

Man what the fuck is with the influx of newfags? Summer is supposed to be over.

>>10005185
it can be a fitted OP, adjusted with the ties.
also, Physical Drop designer has always been generous with sizing, it's not a trend.

the extra allowance at the waist is actually pretty stealthy and clever. if you are very petite try Seraphim, IW, Excentrique...you have options, but I'm sure this wouldn't look awful on you unless you wanted it to hug you firmly.

>>10005209
not a sack.
124cm is the max. the min is likely as low as 70cm with the waist ties

>>10005214
I don't think it's necessarily newfags so much as it is people who don't know anything about fashion outside of lolita. there are a ton of girls into lolita that like it because muh weeb kawaii fashion! or muh historical influence uwu and don't know the first thing about fashion outside of lolita. That's where you get people making these dumbass statements like

>tulle on mutedtoned leopard print looks "summery"

Because these people only know basic things like "florals for summer" and "pastels for summer" when in reality tulle has been used in winter pieces for ages.

>>10005212
Yeah and all that crap looks ugly. You can keep your shit taste.

>>10005220
Whoops I meant florals and pastel for spring. anons dumbness is rubbing off on me.

New pin design from the chick who did the brandwhore pins. What is the lolita obsession with being a mean girl? I’d never wear this and claim to love mean girls. It’s just so tacky.

>>10005214
My first glimpse of this dress was the magazine cover promo where only the fur and the top half of the jsk was visible, and I had assumed that, due to the leapord motifs and fur that the dress was going to be a heavier fabric throughout. Therefor I was surprised and slightly off put by the tulle at first. There really is no need to get so defensive anon, I'm not insulting you or the dress.

>>10005222
Where did I say I like it? Holy fuck it's like you're so embarrassed that you're retarded that you're becoming even more retarded

>>10005214
...sheer fabrics are usually associated with summer, aren't they?

>>10005226
But you're being outright stupid and saying things that make literally no sense to anyone who knows anything about fashion.

>>10005227
It's like someone can't have a different opinion than you.

>>10005224
The design is terrible. I get it supposed to look poorly hand drawn but it’d benefit from looking neater anyway.

>>10005228
Not inherently. A lot of the times yes, but there's a lot of winter pieces and collections that take inspiration from ballet and utilize sheer fabrics and overlays.

An example that comes to mind off the top of my head is princess cat, a dress released for the fall/winter time that uses sheer overlays and cutouts.

>>10005230
If it was an opinion backed with knowledge sure, but this is just straight up stupidity.

>>10004502
What is MCD?

>>10005229
You sound like a sewlita defending her shitty tulle and fur dress because it's totally high fashion! It can't ever look bad!

>>10005232
Yeah and the most popular cut didn't have the shitty overlay. It looks bad.

>>10005233
nayrt but probably Melty Cream Donut

>>10005220
I grew up in a european capital and there are certain fabric combinations that are unusual and associated with not knowing how to dress yourself appropriately. Fur-lined with visible tulle is one of them.

>>10005179
I just saw Muuhs post saying it was on special reso. So try messaging her about it, or another SS. I'm sure they'll know.

>>10005235
I only buy brand but nice projecting. Cry more that someone who actually knows something about fashion is correcting objectively wrong and retarded statements. Sorry you're fat and get triggered by people who are knowledgeable about the fashion industry

>>10005229
Thanks, but as someone who has actually had an education in design, I disagree with you.

>>10005238
Ok tell that to the tons of high end designers that have gone for that combo before, I'm sure they'll care about your wise words.

>>10005242
>education in design

Sure Jan. Post your degree or gtfo

>>10005242
btw I have an education in psychology so I can say you're mentally retarded

>>10005244
Sure jan :) just send me your home address and I'll mail you a photocopy

>>10005244
You realize you're relying to more than one person right. Because it really seems like you don't.

>>10005246
>not knowing how to use Sure Jan

Newfag with no taste confirmed.

>>10005245
Ouch. You really got me there.

>>10005247
Yes I do? Please post where I explicitly state this is all one person or stop projecting your mental retardation onto me.

>>10005248
Aw don't feel bad anon. When I get this dress I'll think of you when I wear it :))

>>10005143

I've owned quite a few sets, and they all seem to cut costs in different ways. I've owned one with no pockets, one with smaller-than-usual pockets, dresses that are shorter, dresses that are smaller, and one dress I took apart and resewed most of the bows because they were all crooked somehow. Also sometimes the lace is white on the special set but dyed to match on the regular release, different lace (might be leftover lace), lace with less refined netting, plastickier buttons, headband that still matched but wasn't covered in print fabric, chiffon ruffles instead of lace altogether (castle mirage), one colour missing from the print (castle mirage and CDC), even own two special sets where the second re-release is missing some lace overlay while both sets retailed for the same price and are totally similar in every way except for the lace overlay (same print as well).

I can totally believe AP could chose to make a special set using a completely different type of lace. The special sets seem to be way more experimental and interesting in how they're done. (I mean, if you don't mind that there's certainly going to be some quality cut.)

>>10005212
Just because you found it on pinterest doesn't mean it's real

>>10005253
>doesn't deny being a newfag

I'm getting it too, the difference between us wearing it'll be that I'm not going to look like a fat ita shit while wearing it

Old thread is in autosage now. You can continue your convos here while discussing new ones in the new thread.

New thread >>10005258

>>10005212
shabby chic is decor gtfo of here with this garbage "fashion"

>>10005257
literally google it and stop being so triggered. or are you too autistic to know that terms can be used for more than one thing? Like "retro" can be for fashion or home decor

>>10005244
Go to Paris wearing a light/sheer fabric skirt in winter and I guarantee they'll be laughing at you behind your back.

>all these people getting upset that shabby chic can be used for home decor OR fashion

>>10005261
It's both you dense cunt

>>10005259
There's no need to project your insecurities, friendo!

>>10005265
That's why chanel and dior have released items like that for winter right? So parisians will laugh. Makes total sense.

>>10005269
Stop projecting your projecting

>>10005265

nayrt, but there's this Elie Saab dress? It's for Fall/Winter 2014/2015 though, so I guess you'd still get laughed at for being so last season...so three years ago.

>>10005271
Ah. Said so much like an American. Well, this was fun, but this thread is dying. Hope your fashion sense improves in the future! Bye.

>>10005277
Im not american, god you're so fucking stupid you can barely put a thought together and when you do it's not even right. I feel bad for your parents, it must have been tough raising a literal retard.

>>10005265
Hey,french person here,I live near Paris and have been there plenty of time and while it would be considered weird to wear something so light at this time of the year no one's gonna laugh at you.
Sorry to break your dreams but Paris isn't some ultra fashionista capital even though they get /fa/shion week (which consist of pompous designers thinking that wearing only a sleeve is so avant garde)

>>10005150
Chantilly and embroidered tulle lace look very similar because they're made with mostly the same techniques (bobbin lace).

But as chantilly is done by hand and tulle is done by machine, this is probably tulle. Making bobbin lace that dense by hand is a nightmare.

Someone would have to post a close-up of the flowers to tell whether it's embroidered or worked directly into the bobbin lace.

Either way, it still looks like shit here.

>>10005224
yikes, that looks shitty as fuck. I never understood the obsession either.

>>10005315

............Anon, chantilly lace has been made by machine for a while now...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chantilly_lace scroll down to the History section.

>>10005572
Oh, sorry. I clump those two together in my head because the machine made variations are nearly identical, especially when chantilly patterns don't take advantage of mesh size variation.

Doesn't really change the point I was making, though. It's not the quality anon was suggesting.

>>10004366
I miss the original model-san. I hope she's having fun wherever she is now.