/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9975990
>Is Mondai Society still alive?

I hope so, seeing as I’m supposed to debut next year with them. Not mad or anything, but curious as to what’s been happening behind the scenes. I was told some girls were debuting at San Japan, so I guess we’ll see how next weekend goes?

On the topic of net idol costumes, I finished stabbing the bodice of a Bodyline OP to death to make a pattern, and I really hope I didn’t shoot myself in the foot. Why did I attempt a bodice with five panels?? Why did I decide to torture myself this way?

Here's some recent stuff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zjsU78mKJM (melonchaliaah)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z693cIch32s (ur's)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twvftQ489zY (ChiRi Girls)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvnshvyvHPI (qorus)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKK0yCO3hUY (Snow Fairies)

>>9976037
I hope too. I ordered a music commission but no updates yet. Both PayPal and the bank say it’s too out of reach to do anything. Here’s to hoping.

Newest Cy8er contest entries:
https://youtu.be/CsFFEv-SXzg
https://youtu.be/dRUPznL8gbQ

>>9977651
I ordered a commission too around May. I noticed shes more responsive to email it doesnt look like she reads her instagram dms whenever I tried to message her. I ended up cancelling the commission since my idol group sort of..... disbanded..... but she was really cool about giving me a refund even though she had made a short demo. i had only paid half the commission so im glad i was able to get it back before the song was complete lol id feel really bad then. I would ask for a refund if you dont wanna risk it like i did with my group.

>>9977142
https://youtu.be/9KRZVFLAJAg (Sunrise)

I find it interesting that I applied to Mondai Society and never heard anything back except a "we'll look at your application soon and let you know our decision" type of thing. It honestly struck me as really unprofessional. That was months ago and I never even got the decency of being given a rejection email.

>>9978599
Its more common than you think to recieve a response like that or completely ingored by most agencies. MS isn't a instagram hugbox "agency" that is run by 14 year olds either. Maybe work on yourself before going out there again?

I feel MS is focusing more on working with talent she can meet and work with in person. Most online idols who sign up for "agencies" tend to be bad, flakey, unappreciatve, inactive/give up, or don't understand the work that goes into creating and keeping up with due dates, creating content, recording audio/video, and purchasing the nessecary tools the said "agency" requires you to. Its much easier to manage someone nearby than a kid 1000 miles away.

>>9978640
Honestly, there’s 3 important things to note here:
>anon did the whole process
Unless somethings changed recently, MS doesn’t really have a form that you fill out and then it goes “you’ll be reviewed and contacted with results.” You have to first express interest (just literally “hey I’m interested”), then wait for an email that’ll have you set a time for a phone/video interview which possibly also has info about how to submit your talents too (I wouldn’t know; my email for this was one of the ones always “being worked on”). So Anon likely was told that either by Marble themselves during one of the final phases or they an email stating that. Either way,

>most agencies don’t even say “we’ll get back to you”
They generally just don’t respond. And for Japanese agencies/groups, it’s typically stated on the audition page that results will ONLY be sent to those who pass, since they’ve passed. So saying “well let you know our decision” and getting nothing is kind of unprofessional. It’s the same situation as when people ask if they got a part in a movie and the people reviewing says “don’t call us we’ll call you.” Doesn’t mean they will but it’s meant to mean if you get it they’ll call you.

>MS doesn’t really do anything
I mean yeah she can meet up with her talent, but she doesn’t do much for them. I remember popping into a live stream she did one day and she even said that all she really does is help with music and a little performance management. Everything else is up to the artist. Style, the lyrics, the dance, the visuals, all of it. And the artist still has to pay for the songs she makes just at a discount. She’s not really a talent agency. She’s more like a cheap middle man that wannabes with decent talent can use to get into the performing circuit.

>>9978676
I also forgot to add: one of the artists (who’s in Arizona mind you) had filmed a music video and some songs said in May that she had delayed it due to some events but was still planning to release it. Months and still nothing.

>>9977718
MS helped with the first video if anyone didn't notice. Also when I looked up the name on intsagram I saw in the bio it now says recruiting by invitation only. Dunno if it was always like that though.

>>9978952
Recruiting was completely open for a short while and that's when I assume most of these people replied

>>9979110
*Applied sorry

I’m not sure how to feel about the fact that the AUSA Idol Showcase is almost entirely Love Live cover groups.

>>9979391
"Dansu Pantsu"

>>9979482

I had to actually go and check to see if it was someone ripping off the original. The whole page is riddled with typos.

"Hey everyone !!
Nothing bad, don’t worry, I just wanted to let everyone know that our group is making some changes for the future !!
First of all, we are now a 10 member idol group !! We decided to let Io join as a full time member after her phenomenal job at Otakon. (Character intro coming soon !!) Along with this, I want to say that Faye decided to stay as an understudy rather than be a full member for the time being. To explain, our Understudy Program is something like a trial-era for idol group. We pick the understudies very carefully from our interested mutuals, and have them fill in for a singular performance if we need more members to meet a quota or lineup! After the performance, they can decide on their own if they want to be a permanent member, stay as an understudy, or to not continue working with the group overall !! This way theres no binding commitment after a performance ends, giving them a chance to see what being an idol is like (since it is VERY difficult!) We also updated our YouTube banner to showcase all of our current active idols, so it includes our 10 members and our one understudy. (I say active members, so it discludes Rhea and Stella since they no longer work with our group!)
Next update addresses the group as a whole !! A bunch of you have been wondering what will happen to the few members that graduated and went to college recently? And after we all talked about we agree, they will still be members of the group. They will still be aloud to participate only when they have the time to do so !! They might not be as active because of this, but they will still be involved, so no worries !! This also gets into me explaining how our group will be operated from now on.
We won’t focus on trying to get full groups for lives,

>>9979492
instead we will simply run the group in a way that follows the idea of “only participate when you can”! In other words, we will just use whatever members have enough free time to participate in each performance, instead of trying to scramble our schedules and lives to get as many of us to show up as possible. Our members all have lives, jobs, school, commitments, etc! Its hard to all meet up!
Thank you!!
~Mimi"

What do you guys think of Stellure's new structure?

>>9979492
>>9979493
I’ve actually rewritten this wall of text because I figured they might actually read this and find something helpful. These, from a business and just a general “for fun” standpoint, are bad/pointless decisions. TL;DR at the bottom.

On the topic of understudies, if they’re not focusing on having the full group perform at any time, then having someone fill in is a pointless task. As a 10 member group with at most 7-8 performing at one time, there’s not much point in having 1 person cover another person. They’re still missing at least 2-3 people. Not only this, but having them there for one or two performances and then asking if they want to be a full time member seems fast. Performing is only one part of being an idol and one or two performances is only about 1-2% of what it’s like. So really an understudy seems very pointless. Maybe trainee instead but there’s no use for understudies.

As far as the lives go, I don’t think it’s smart to be focusing on lives right now at all. They only have 4 songs released (only one is even the full group because a member left), only 1 is for sale/download and it’s their debut, they have no real online presence outside of Instagram and even then there’s not much engagement. Even so much as occasional fun YouTube videos would keep people interested but they don’t even do that. Even their Patreon had been barren until someone mentioned it here.

>>9979524
What Stellure needs to do in order to avoid stagnating their growth is stop focusing on performance so often. Almost every time I see an update, it’s “we’re performing an old/new song at this con.” Performance is great but they need to work on their performances more if that’s what they want to do. They can even described themselves as more of a performance based group but they still need a lot of work first. But if they do want to be idols, they should work on releasing their music. I’m sure they have enough for a few singles and/or an album at least. I say they take breaks from performing and rework what they have and what’s unreleased. A great starting point is Bright Future. They have the ability to take the song and create an updated version with all full members. They could also rearrange the choreography. They don’t have to use the old costumes. They could use one of their newer costumes. They should also work on looking at how many people are performing and say “ok let’s do this to make sure the dance still looks full.” It takes time but it’s worth it in the end.

They should also work on monetizing their YouTube channel and getting their songs, even if they don’t have music or lyric videos, on Bandcamp. Their videos don’t get a lot of views but all of their content is original and family friendly. If they started doing more than just live videos and trying to attract more people to the channel, they could make money doing this. If they really want to be able to be idols and maybe even do their own shows, they need to try and get as much revenue as possible. Ko-fi is great but that’s a one time thing. They’re only getting $18/month from Patreon.

TL;DR, Stellure needs to put more effort into performances, releases, and their brand than just trying to crank out as many performances as possible. There’s a lot they could learn if they’d just get a manager.

>>9979527
Actually, to be able to monetize videos on youtube you need at least 1000 subscribers and 4000 hours of viewer watch time. They have the 1000 subs, but considering all their videos are extremely short and their later ones only get about 1k-2k views, there's no way they've reached that point yet. Their first couple of singles have about 10k views each but that still would be nowhere near the amount you would need to get 4000 hours of watchtime. Even if they could monetize their videos you still need to make $100 dollars before Youtube gives you your first payment, and that doesn't count views and watchtime you had before you could enable monetization. They'd honestly be making more from their patreon, but it still wouldn't hurt to try producing some extra content, like vlogs or little video messages from specific idols.

>>9979605
Here’s the point I’m making though: if they actually attempt to create content (not just posting occasional lives and “vlogs) on a consistent basis and being in viewers, then they would reach that 4000 views while also growing their base and keeping their current ones entertained. According to social blade, they are probably making less than Patreon (they have an estimated $2-$30/month on Social Blade) but that’s probably only because they upload once every 2-4 months. In this age, with those kind of subscriber numbers (over 1,600 somehow), it’s almost a crime to not try and use that to get money. And it’s totally possible for them to. They even have their channel verified since they can upload videos that are an hour long. My drawn out point is if they focused on steadily growing an online base through channels like YouTube and directing their 5.8k Instagram followers to that channel by constantly uploading and notifying, they’d be make a lot more money. Being successful is all about creating buzz which they don’t really do.

>>9979391

While some groups like Dansu Pantsu despite the name doesn't look as half cringe as the other groups

>>9979527
Stellure following this thread confirmed? I hope they also follow up with the all the other advice given here, I really want to see new releases rather than another fricking liveshow with 2 "understudies"

I think Stellure should take the time to work on their stage precence before another performance and work on their dances. Their singing is getting better but their dancing is messy on stage and most of the members have no personality on stage. They either look lost or bored. I think while they work on performances behind the scenes they should work on promoting their music more as that is what they are known for.

>>9980529
They are 100%. They've put up a post about selling their older costumes to afford better materials for new ones. Good on them for listening to crit though, hopefully they take their time with any new costumes so that they'll look good AND last them a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDb1szLiJPg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKhblSv1oKQ

Are there certain songs that have a male/female dance version like Yoiyoi Kokon does with the male version being a StanJun/Varsity Jacket and female being an Ondo dance?

And the for the gajins, the australians did the cover first, with LL outfit of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am6b2QtHY9o

Mosuri posted their first cover. It is just dancing though- I thought they were singing. Hopefully they’ll post singing stuff soon too

https://youtu.be/odKEER2J7Zo

>>9981488
Girl in red needs a bit more practice, and girl in fuschia needs a better bra, but they were super enjoyable to watch! I’m excited to watch them grow.

>>9981488
Confused why they are called "mosuri"? It would be romanized as Mooningu Sanraisu or something to that effect, the Suri makes no sense?
Mosanrai?
Mosarai? If you're forcing a shorter version

>>9981488
>>9981506
Also reeks of self post

>>9981525
Except for the fact they aren’t writing it in Japanese then transliterating to English. Morning Sunrise is the name. MoSunRi doesn’t sound good, so it’s Mosuri which rolls better. There’s also a really cute self produced idol group in the Philippines called Aidoru Sonzai but they do go by AiSon, they go LoveSo instead. So stuff like that is always up to the people who make it. Sometimes it just doesn’t make sense or sometimes it’s a reach.

>>9981557
I like Lumina Scarlet's LuSca

>>9981661
Did they officially changing their name to LuSca? It’s super cute.

Kinda miss the cover comparisons from a few threads back, thought I'd post another one of a dance I've been learning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q-eR1rQG-M (original)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk7_RmSop8o (ODM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiYZkjq0V4w (Full Spectrum)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIJIZvpRlXg (Michi Project)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEq8IOJofSM (Emma)

>>9982432
I only watched the opening part to all of these, but I do have some comments anyway cause damn.
>OMD was ok could use more energy
>Full Spectrum dude was clearly best
>MP should’ve stopped and restarted when girl messed up
>Emma needs to be looser; too sharp

Anyone got any recommendations for solo Halloween/spooky dances?

>>9982630
Kyun Vampire Girl from Imas is the basic easy spooky dance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnH0Kvl3thk

>>9982630
Glass Doll, Eternally Flickering Flame, Queen of Roses, and Emerald Magic from Aikatsu all have a nice gothic feel to them!

>>9982630
https://youtu.be/nHFUmWriJsA This is a favorite of mine

Speaking of Halloween, my dancegroup is planning on doing a dancecover of "Happy Halloween" which is a vocaloid song. Except because its "too hard to get anything else before the end of october" they plan on doing it in LoveLive uniforms with some spooky attribute. How the hell do I stop them from going through with this? Currently trying to convince them of the idolsona idea

>>9982779

Convince them by showing nice general halloween costumes/outfits to dance in instead.

One of you could be a black cat, witch, rag doll, etc. You don't even need to buy a costume persay but just outfit pieces.

If you were trying to convince them on the idolsona idea it would help if you commissioned someone to draw you guys as characters for the idolsona theme, don't you know weebs just copy each other if you don't hold their hands.

>>9982818
Expanding on this, look up street snaps of the Halloween parties in Harajuku! There’s a ton of inspo there

>>9981859
Idk I see it on a bunch of their promo material so maybe?

>>9982818
Honestly even like black tops and bottoms would look better than an unrelated love live costume. I'm sure you could even thrift costumes with that halloween ideas

did anyone attens texas idol festival san japan? how was it?

>>9984291
It was fantastic, great crowd and great performances! The first girl who performed and sang World is Mine seemed really nervous and her voice wasn’t the best, but everyone who performed gave their best! Parfait Party was especially good, and naturally JujuBon did some awesome dancing. The Mondai Society idol who debuted, Mahoubunny, is SO cute, and did such a great job!

>>9984526
Are there any videos?

>>9984526
I’ll give my opinions!
I agree that’s World is Mine girl seemed super nervous. I heard her running through it in the hallway before she went on and she sounded fantastic, but when she had problems with her mic she seemed to get flustered and her voice started to strain, I felt really bad for her. She said it was her first performance though, so maybe next time it will be better.
I actually don’t think Mahou Bunny did that great. She sang all in her head voice and missed some notes, I think she definitely needs professional vocal training in order to sound better. Her dancing was good though so I see a lot of potential.
Parfait Party definitely has the strongest voices but their set this time was really boring imo. They need more upbeat songs to keep the audience engaged.
Love Notes and Melancoliah did well. Hanran Hime did well except for some outfit issues. Overall I think the A-Kon festival was better. We’ll see how Ikkicon goes.

>>9984708
Aww, poor girl!! Yeah, tech issues can be super nerve wracking. I liked Mahou Bunni’s energy more than anything else, she said she was out of breath a lot because of her asthma, so maybe that’s why she was a little off?

>>9984708
Melancoliah is a queen! Love Notes is always great! Mahou Bunni is new to singing so she just needs more practice. but she knows how to dance and keep the crowd hyped.
World is Mine girl was cute just nervous but she was good.
over all everyone did great imo

>>9985058
The event looked super crowed and the area was a lot bigger than last time. Please keep growing idol com

Another live performance announcement from Stellure. In the comments, they also explained that they have a backlog of songs to officially release on Youtube, but that it's taking longer to get the lyric videos/MVs made than it is to get live performances together. So I'm sure we'll see more from them eventually that isn't a masquerade performance.

>>9985372
The costumes look great, and the art has improves significantly!! so happy to be watching stellure improve :-)

>>9985263
Texas idol comm best idol comm!!

>>9985372
Hmm lyric videos, unless you’re doing a lot of animation or extra work aren’t that difficult to do. Organizing a decent live does take some work but I guess when it’s the same songs it doesn’t really matter. They could always outsource the work too.

>>9985372
I just hope they start on time with the costumes this time around if the live is in November, I'd hate see it once again that Mimi puts a ton of effort in hers because she takes the time with hers and then just rushes to finish the others in concrunch time

>>9985378
As much drama that happens in Texas idol comm, it really can be such a nice place. It's much more supportive in reality than it's led out to be here.

>>9985607
Besides the Start Splash drama, what else is there? Everyone else seems pretty nice to each other and try to keep keep their personal drama out of the comm.

Question of the day for the LL Cover groups: For certain sets like Mogyutto and M.U.S.I.C Start! The Live version often are more modest such as removing the midriffs and bare shoulders have a skin colored dress strap to make it more all ages friendly. Do you prefer a more faithful outfit or the Live version?

I recently stumbled across a performance by an Indonesian group who did this with the Arabian set by making the skirts longer and covering the midriffs. Making it feel look like it would fit perfectly for an actual Live concert

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av6267602/?p=4

>>9985646
Same anon. I wouldn't say Start Splash is the only example (specifically in the Love Live community), rather that the rest of it doesn't make it here. And even when it does happen, the majority of things said here aren't true, but there isn't really any way to disprove it. Tanoshii, Project Starlight, Kira (which are all local) have their fair share of problems in and out, it just isn't mentioned as heavily, and even they have had some stuff mentioned that I don't believe. I have seen ProStar mentioned in the past here, and Tanoshii and Kira Live recently had a big outpouring of hate from some anonymous accounts (which was suspected to be from other groups). It's all over the place. I've only had bad interactions with... maybe two members out of the four groups mentioned.

It's some weird social politics as far as I'm concerned. From what I understand, all of the groups are connected in some way and work together if you search hard enough to see it.

Also, I haven't seen much on Love Notes here or from other groups, which is nice. They all seem to be nice people. It's just the unfortunate reality that every group tends to have one or two bad apples.

>>9985709

I definitely prefer the live outfits, especially for Mogyutto. I hate the card art for that full set - the short tight skirts and weird cutout chest areas are ridiculous. MUSIC Start isn't as bad, but the 2D design for those outfits wouldn't translate well to real outfits. I'm glad they make the skirts fuller, add better details, and make them more "idol"-like for the live shows, and I wish LL groups would take note and do the same.

>>9985646
milky kitty is still being bothered by that one girl who made a pull thread about her. this logo copying from her recently came to light. however milky isnt really straight up vocal about it online

>>9985709
That Arabian set is so pretty!

>>9985797

The SEA groups have a lot of creativity put in there, they may not be the best but they know how to mix things up which even though Chinese groups are more professional feels robotic at times.

>>9985372
So who wants to bet this callisto 'center' will have all the solo parts go to mimi again? :/

>>9985950
It’s sad because either there’s a major disconnect between what center means or Mimi really enjoys being in the front so much that it affects the group. Center doesn’t just mean they’re in the center of a photo. They’re the focal point of the song and most if not all of the song is based around them. They generally have more lines, more screen time in music videos, are in the center of formation about 80%-90% of the dance. Hopefully we don’t get another problem. If it happens constantly it’ll cause an issue sooner or later.

>>9986054
Honestly I think they've been doing masquerade lives just to win? That's the vibe I'm getting from Mimi. Desperate to win awards.

>>9985372
>>9986054
Honestly I think they've been doing masquerade lives as opposed to holding panel lives just to win? That's the vibe I'm getting from Mimi. Desperate to win awards.

>>9986785
Overall, Mimi seems to be the type of person that needs a physical objects to show off how "amazing" of a person she tries to make herself out to be. It really just shows her insecurities and vulnerabilities more. Its ok to have a ego but theres a point where it becomes overbearing like Mimis has.

>>9986785
Personally, I’d say that it’s because masquerade performance = bigger audience = more like Love Live

>>9986785
To their credit, it's a lot easier to enter a masquerade with 1 song than to actually be able to hold a panel and do a bunch more songs

So Hol mat opened up it's idol fest to anyone to audition for

Going off the Start Splash crap, I agree with the posters above-we have just seen more of them than others.I don’t think it would be fair to judge them by people;which to me seemed to be jaded in someway. I think though, they do need to work on keeping members from spewing their information online. Maybe it is just me lol

>>9986959
And that is

>>9986959
Care to drop some more information on that?

>>9987679
Holiday Matsuri in Orlando Florida

>>9988035
http://holidaymatsuri.com/2018-events/#idolfest

>>9986959
Why are they asking for videos to be submitted in less than a month? They just opened applications what the hell.

>>9990001

Well to be fair, they do have a decent show last year. A rather enthusiastic fandom with enough variety.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfvvHghSNnY

>>9990081
They had two mediocre love live groups and that group you just sent

>>9990081
I think it’s shitty to require a video of your actual planned performance. Just videos of you or your group in general should suffice imo

Reasons being that some people may need to wait for the schedule to come out to even know if they can participate in the show (because they may have other obligations or events at the con they wanna go to)

So how can a group properly plan their performance until they know the schedule? The timeline doesn’t work well with this. It’s too short a time to figure out who all can do it, and then organize the performance, film it and submit. Not well thought out on whoever is running this’ part.

>>9990729
I think L nav is auditioning again for it this year, they put up a video on their page

>>9990983
>I think it’s shitty to require a video of your actual planned performance. Just videos of you or your group in general should suffice imo

Where does it say that? I read you just had to do 60 seconds showing you can dance

>>9990983
I think most people go into this fest as first priority. Honestly if i was organizing a group of 9 people I'd expect them to put the show above going to a photoshoot or a fan panel. It's a main event so it wouldn't conflict with other main events.

>>9990729

Never Forget

https://youtu.be/mK7xt4ClU8o?list=PL2PtPgviMi9k-X-WpdElunaGQWHUyHEkt&t=440

>>9990983
I don’t think it has to be if the dance, just any dance


My biggest issue is that it has to be in cosplay. So you can’t do original songs and it’s bad for those who are trying to market themselves as an actual idol group. Honestly i’m tired of seeing cosplay covers

>>9991017
>So you can’t do original songs and it’s bad for those who are trying to market themselves as an actual idol group. Honestly i’m tired of seeing cosplay covers


I hope they do this in the future. I'd rather not see 30 love live groups in a row

>Used to be a member of an idol group
>did mostly LL, wasn’t a huge fan of LL but I liked performing and it was good exercise
>moved to the other side of the country for work, had to quit group
>really miss performing and learning dances
>no dance groups in my new city

>Might be moving back to old city next year, considering rejoining old group
>I love most of the members but a few like to cause drama and it’s a pain
>not motivated enough to go solo

Sigh

>>9991018

Well that is the responsibility of the groups to do research on other idols and realize there is more to idols than Love Live. Aside from Garnidelia, what other professional anisong/idols offer mirror tutorials if we want to use it as a starting point?

And today is Kotori's birthday so Kotori Cosplay dances with non LL songs.

I also see a lot the Kotori cosplay covers that her Idolized Job V2 outfit is the most popular for non LL songs

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av23108404?
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av18578410?
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av29852822?

>>9991168
I don’t find that an excuse. For one, if they’re a Love Live group that’s just what they want to focus on. It doesn’t mean they don’t know any other idols. In addition, I don’t doubt there are other anisong and original idol groups who WANT to participate, but the form has specifics on what they see as idols (they clearly list IM@S, LL, and maybe one more). In addition to this, if people search they can find dance shots and tutorials as well as other accurate covers. Even learning from a live is better than saying “theres no official so there’s no point in trying.” For a while AKB offered multi-camera dance tutorials for popular songs on 2 or 3 of their albums. H!P groups and a lot of idol groups almost always include dance shots in their DVDs, which people upload online.

>>9991168
Most Idol groups offer dance shots of their major releases. If you want to learn from dancers like Kozue, Miume, Qulle and others all it takes is mirroring the video yourself.

>>9991204
>>9991205

Ah I see, that is useful information.

can anyone direct me to a dance shot for AKB48's beginner? I've only seen Aitakatta and River uploaded

>>9991549
there's literally several if you just search "beginner akb48 dance" or "akb48 踊ってみた"

>>9991750
I mean like this version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p00KxvCdL1c

>>9991549
>>9991756
If you want the full dance, you’re not going to find it unless a cover. AKB only did an official short version. Since the solo isn’t online, here ya go.

https://youtu.be/ZJ4QHgQtRlg

>>9991549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=EFFsPCq66c8

there isn't a full version, but there are a good number of covers out there plus the original video you could track down.

I don't know if anyone remembers this koreaboo, but it seems her "agency" bought likes for her facebook page considering her posts get little to no interaction and her instagram is under 150 follows

www facebook com/yoomiofficial/

so i was listening to stellure and though their newest stuff sounds so much better and the dancing is amazing i'm just a put off by how there's no soprano type singer in the group. it would be nice to hear someone with a cute high voice so it all doesn't sound as monotone and flat....

>>9992952
The type of voice really doesn’t have to do with it being monotone and flat. It’s simply because they have no idea what a pitch or key change is. If they did, reguardless of the types of voices, it’d sound really great.

>>9993009
Yep. Can we also break the stereotype that idols need to have an *•*•uguu~ kawaii high pitched voice•*•*? It’s really annoying, and causes most “Net idols” to strain their voices trying to hit notes they can’t reach or trying to sing out their nose. Sounding like a bad munchkin from Oz isn’t kawaii.

>>9993055
I’m still baffled that to this day, that stereotype still exists when some of the most popular Japanese idols don’t even have high voices and are majorly talented and the same goes for some Love Live, IM@S, and BanDori characters.

Can anyone tell me the difference between an idolsona and being an actual idol?

>>9993075
Same! Nanjolno is pretty much the prime example, along with Roselia being probably the most popular Bandori band.

>>9993143
Idolsona = creating an idol OC and performing as them onstage. Idol = performing while being yourself (even if you may have a stage name) onstage.

>>9993055
>>9993075
>>9993155
I guess it has to do with a lot of net idols wanting to go for the classic genki, pastel-colored, kawaii "I want to make the world smile~!" type of image, which in most idol franchises is generally associated with idols with cutesy high-pitched voices, while idols with deeper voices are generally portrayed as more cool and mature

>>9982754
Who has the Holy Lantern version of this?

>>9994169
Here you go!
https://youtu.be/m-DgVeCvKpE

anyone know why Mocha is leaving l-nav? i'm curious based on her yt post about it

drink everytime there's a pantyshot because what are safety shorts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpKjkvgwFxU

>>9994699
that mashup was awful

>>9994699
also, using official stuff such as the slides in the beginning is just low, and arent the slides from the live anyway? From a thing you're not allowed to share? they could probably get sued for that lol

>>9994699
The camera angles are so unflattering to the bigger girls, but the outfits arent very flattering either. I thought as they're more popular they would understand the importance of safety shorts (especially when the camera angle is very low) or do they not use them to be extra uguu anime girls? Many questions.

>>9994766
You can't see in the video but the whole stage was shaking and the lights were about to fall off. Even when telling the event staff they didn't a rat's arse.

>>9994699
Classy.

>>9994758
If we go by this logic, we can't use official or covered audio and choreography of any song or we all get sued lol. Also, i'm sure none of them got financially compensated besides free badges.

Are you Harumi? You will probably get sued for using that Happy Halloween cover song and choreography. Maybe even sued for wearing those clothes. I doubt you have permission to use anything in your cover videos so ill be reaching out to the vocalist, chorographer, clothes designer, and the owners of the location you used. Look forward to getting sued.

>>9994758
These are posted online as promo materials for SIFAC? Your flawed logic and jealousy really shows. Which one of them hurt you?

https://youtu.be/JnjQI7OPIA0
https://youtu.be/-MY2XTnVjJ4

>>9994827
>>9994828
sounds like someone got posted

>>9994827
I mean, technically you can’t? The whole cover community aspect is actually 100% illegal, ESPECIALLY when it comes to covering official works. While it isn’t low like >>9994758 said, it’s still very much illegal to use copyrighted materials without written permission from the holder (typically in the form of a license). The odds of it happening are low since we’re talking about Japanese acts and western performers. The clothes aspect however is completely different so that doesn’t even make any sense... You can’t copyright a dress or clothing pattern. Therefore there’s no way for someone to say “you’re using my material!!!”

>TL;DR you sound dumb and shouldn’t comment on things you don’t know.

>>9994880

>>9994887
>spergs because of a vendetta
>gets called out
>"haha it was a joke!!!"

>>9994933
Not the sperg anon, but I think they were just trying to point out the flawed logic by using flawed logic to make their point? If thats the case, everyone here is looking like a sperg.

In the end, this whole community is illegal and its a no brainer to anyone in it. As long as none makes a financial profit from using official works, its ok. If we really want to take it a step further using that logic, Artist Alleys are illegal since they make profit from official licensed characters. Does that mean Artist Alley should be banned from conventions for illegally using officially licensed characters in their art?

Moving away from that shitfest, does anyone in the idol community actually make a profit from singing and dancing? Profit as in doing shows and getting paid, not paetron.

>>9994964
Highly doubtful. Since it seems like most performances are organized but the idols themselves, it’s more likely they’re paying. If they are invited to perform, then I would at least hope they make arrangements to get paid and not do it for exposure.

>>9994758
even in that were the case, they wouldn't be rightfully sued unless they were making money directly off it. If anything the video would just be taken down due to copyright.

https://youtu.be/gQ5aix8tKlc

This been posted yet? I like it, but the microphone quality is making me cringe a bit.

>>9994483
Wow and she just joined too hmm
Seems like LNav is cursed when it comes to nico

>>9994977
I think usually for cons they will comp the badge and sometimes a room if you perform!

>>9994977

If they have a popular enough name and the numbers for it then they make some money off the community. Usually bromides are the safest option

>>9994483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdQTt5mtJA

So I'm not in LNAV or Mystic Wish anymore. After a lot of thought, me and the group came to an agreement that what I wanted and what the group wanted were just different and it would be for the best if I left. As much as it truly hurts to have lost it all, I accept it. I'm thankful for the experiences I had nonetheless and I have surely grown even if just a little. I needed this group to help me realize my potential and what I really wanted. I saw this coming, but I didn't think it would be so soon. I was never really happy with how things were. And my demands were just something they couldn't meet. And nobody is at fault, it just wasn't fit for me. My dreams and aspirations are bigger than what this group could offer me.

I don't really know where to go from here. I'm back to where I started with just a bit more experience. I don't know if being an idol is something I want. I know at my core all I want is to make songs. I want to express my feelings through my writing and sing them. It's still going to be a big challenge to find someone to help me create music for my words. For now I'm just really lost. But, I'm still going to try recording the dances I have planned for this month and next month. I hope I find a new path soon. Either way, I will continue to chase after what makes me happy and inspires me and hopefully that brings new opportunities and discoveries along the way.

>>9994483
I'd assume it's bigger than just one reason but a few things I've noticed/assumed from looking over her social
>Potentially moving?
>Focus on solo stuff (she didn't really cosplay idols before hand)
>Different interests/passions

>>9995181
>>9995185
It just seems almost like she didn’t want to leave? I feel more like she got cut out for some reason. But the other girls seem to be supporting her so who knows

Hopefully it was a mutual thing

This isn’t really surprising to anybody who has worked with Mocha though. She’s constantly joining new projects and then suddenly deciding she doesn’t want to do them anymore

>>9995154
badges are a maybe depending on what you're performing for and how much content you're providing the con. From my experience badges are easy to get if you present yourself well enough. Getting a room comped is super rare though, you'd have to be invited as a guest for that to even be a possibility, or just super lucky.

>>9995154
That’s still not profiting. You don’t get anything by having your room and badge paid for. You’re saving money not making it. Also, most people who perform at cons aren’t doing their own stuff. It’s covers and if they get paid, that’s illegal.

>>9995176
Define that though? When I think about it, the only people who could make a buck are Juliane and Paida possibly.

>>9995028
They are not professionnal so I guess we just can't expect studio quality microphones.

I wish they would have some financial support or professionals helping them tho, I'm really curious to know how much they could grow.

>>9995028
this could just be me but I feel like their moon pride cover had the most quality mix wise? idk what changed that the production quality went backwards from there

>>9995545
Yeah. After that song, their visual quality increased significantly but the audio quality decreased.

>>9995379

China had couple of cover comps where you got a personal photo with a popular cosplayer along with some actual prizes, ranging from beauty products and figurines to Cup Noodles

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av29249932/?
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av12375970/?p=18

As for making money off merch, if they can sustain a fanclub and an actual audience for every performances, then it is possible for the group to sell things from bromides to keychains.

sorry if this has been asked before.

I'm a leader of a group but not everyone is as motivated/dedicated enough to help the group grow quality-wise. Everyone who joined loves the idea of performing and doing cute dance covers but most of the time all they do is spout ideas and expect it to happen with hardly any practice. Some of our members can learn a dance in a day, others either don't practice enough or they just don't even bother to learn the right moves, even after I walk them through it step-by-step.

When I do start to take over in order to move things along (organize practices, ask about wardrobe, ask for practice videos to prove they've been learning) I often get accused of controlling everything or just in general i end up feeling as if I'm making them do this. I shouldn't feel that way, this is something we all signed up for right?

So my question is how would I go about dealing with lack of motivation/excitement when it comes to practicing and trying to put out something to be proud of?

>>9995695
You’re the leader- you’re supposed to control things. That’s why having a leader is good- a group needs someone who can organize, push, make rules, keep people in line, run practices, etc. Don’t let them shame you for literally doing your job as a leader. You have to own it. And until you do, it’ll prob just continue to not go anywhere.

Don’t be afraid to be pushy. If they really do hate it, they’ll quit. And good riddance. Don’t be afraid of downsizing! People who can’t learn the dances fast enough, or put in the effort required are only gonna hold you back anyways. It’d be better to be a solo act than let people like that drag a group down.

Focus on the people who do get the work done and perform well. Do subunit stuff with them. Maybe if they see you guys successfully performing and getting good feedback, they’ll get off their asses and actually work harder.

But the caveat to all of this is- you need to be consistent. If you aren’t on top of your shit (on time, always meet deadlines, always know the dance and song yourself, etc) then they aren’t gonna take you seriously no matter what you do. I’m not saying you aren’t, I have no idea, but keep that in mind: you have to set the example as leader if you’re gonna gain any respect.

>>9995329
Oh really? I had no idea. What other groups has she been in?
Lnavs previous nico was also absolutely terrible. She looked so lost when they performed

>>9995710
thank you, you made a lot of good points. I definitely do make sure I at least know the dances (even if I'm not in it, I watch the dances a lot to get familiar with it) so that I'm able to help during practices.

The subunit idea is great, I can give that a shot!

>>9995573
Wasn't it recorded in a studio? I remember they did a live of something during the recording. Maybe they don't have access to it anymore?

>>9995695
I think you need to be sure you all have the same goal in the group. If you want to do something a bit more serious, you need to be in a group full of people who share the same idea. One person who doesn't take it as seriously can bring a whole group down.

>>9995028
it's always cringe to see below average looking western girls with no talent trying to become kawaii aidorus

https://youtu.be/R_M9mz6gfLk
Lately I am really enjoying this group since their editing, image and costumes are always on point although I would like them more if they had their own songs and were an original group not only a cover group

>>9985794
Both logos are ugly as fuck anyway.

>>9995028
it's better singing than stellure's though. I'd take this over any stellure songs

>>9996392
Yep, yep

Are any of you guys following the "aspiring idol" that is Kawaii Idol Cosplay/Sakura Hana?

>>9996409
She looks pretty cute, but wow, if she wants to take this seriously then I hope she picks a less generic name, it's hard to find anyone with a generic name like that.

Ok...how the heck do y’all decide on songs? I’ve been debating between two I want to learn for a video soon, and I have no clue which one I want to pick. How do you guys prioritize dances?

>>9996586
i personally just listen to a lot of songs and if i can imagine a dance i start making one for it. if it's just copying an aidoru dance, just do one you like and think you can do well.

>>9996586
Do a quick run through of both songs and do whichever one you think you're better at, then you can do the other one at a later date

Late to the party since Dokidokon performances were discussed last thread, but ChiRi Girls posted a video of their concert from it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7MHls9KYKQ

>be me, your typical child-eating gothic lolita
>allergic to happy looking stuff
>avoid these threads like the plague
>be on phone, claw clicks on thread
>see holy lantern video
>weak-spot.jpeg
>might as well click on it, at least HL is enough to redeem the happy trip
>actually enjoy it
>watch unholy amounts of dance videos

Welp, time to get my dead ass out of the coffin and start practice.

>>9996362
Don’t they only dance? I’ve never actually seen them sing.

>>9996826
>one of us
>one of us
>ONE OF US
Good luck, Goth-chan!

>>9997049
This reminds me of a non-Japanese band so much that it’s sad.

>>9997056
>ふるってご参加ください
>ふるってご参加ください
>ふるってご参加ください
頑張れゴスロリーちゃん
Japanese enough for you now?

>>9997126
ない、もっともーっと!

>>9997049
Yes. This is addictive.
Thanks anon-chan. Gl to you too.

>>9996409
She annoys the shit out of me and other dancers on Instagram is what I know. And runs her own fan page by the looks of it.

>>9998137
Really? I saw the fan page and was like “wow, someone really likes her posts!” Should’ve known

>>9996409
“I know I can be an idol! I went to two idol panels so uh I think I’m about beyond qualified.”

>>9998158
She's the epitome of a delusional Love Live! fan that thinks she can be an idol.

>>9998158
What?? This is the most confusing logic I think I’ve ever seen.

>>9998164
I don’t think she’s ever even heard of akb momosu or any real life idols. She posts quite a bit in the overseas idol group on Facebook which I mean... I guess she doesn’t post anything against the rules for the most part but she has no concept of idols outside of anime ones. I hope someone could educate her more just so she sees that anime idols are the whole world.

Watching some of her Instagram stories made me cringe very hard and I worry for when she watches these back in 5 years and how she’ll feel.

>>9998201
**are not the whole world

Has anyone looked at Sakurahanaidol’s Tell page? Like actually looked....

>>9998201
“Paida wants to be a J-Idol and is doing well, so I can too!” Yes...but that requires creating your own style instead of being Nico 24/7, and actually putting effort into improving your skills. Paida’s worked for YEARS to get where she is now, and she’s all the better for it!

>>9998345
She HAS to be a troll.

>>9998354
I honestly doubt that she's a troll. She's 16 I believe, and she's been posting stuff like this for a long while now looking at her post archive.

>>9998345
>Perfume
>Idol
>J-Pop
>her
Should we tell her.

>>9998345
is that peacockfeather?

Gulls, I’m frustrated. I’m trying to write a more gothic style song, but it’s not sounding idol enough. I think the problem is that the lyrics don’t involve the audience, so it’s just a first person narrative. Any tips to help solve this conundrum?

>>9998372

Tell her the truth. I have seen 16 year olds with more organization and knowledge as idols than her.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlzLEBOl5S5/?taken-by=sakurahanaidol
According to the comments on this, she practiced for 11 weeks for this performance. This is kinda sad...

>>9996409
>>9998158
>>9998345
I just scrolled through her insta and i'm gonna be honest, she gives off the vibe of being sort of... intellectually disabled. Just from the expressions in her selfies, the stiffness/awkwardness of her movements, lack of self awareness... It doesn't read as "normal" 16 year old behaviour. Even if it's only a mild disability.
She might not be, I can't say either way but that's just the vibe i'm getting.

>>9998606
That wouldn't surprise me actually, can definitely see it.
Oh well as long as she's not causing drama in the community I suppose she's not that much of an annoyance

>>9998606

16? She looks like she's 30 in some of her pictures.

>>9998606
People said the same for Hoshi Teruko and she’s not. I think she’s fine but unfortunate. It could just be a result of immaturity in general, not due to developmental issues.

Also this is rich.
https://i.imgur.com/ooGOPyf.jpg

>>9998809
...what did I just look at?

https://sakurahanaidol.simdif.com/
>*giggles*

>>9998527
I can link some gothic-ish idol songs for inspiration if you'd like.

>>9996826
I'd love to see a gothic lolita idol

>>9996409
wow thats the ugliest 16 year old i've ever seen i feel bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkQ964Y_xXM
Throwback to this legendary performance.

>>9998553
is anyone else going to talk about how she has a japanese porn stars name as her id?

>>9999109
Somebody please help this poor girl

>>9999094
Kanan looks like an adorable mom I know, haha

>>9995028
if they could just get some haircuts and learn how to do some light makeup, i'd really like them.

>>9999094
you know when you're in america when
>1 girl out of 9 isn't obese
truly tragic to see so many young girls/women destroying themselves and publicly making fools of themselves

>>9999109
That’s just unfortunate but because of the missing syllable nothing comes up. It’s also just a super common combination of words so it was kind of bound to be linked to something inappropriate.

>>9999094

>When the MC is more interesting than all of Colossalcon's performances,

>>9999094

That feel when a dancer has not one, but two knee braces. At least they were in her character colour

Also what the hell is up with those costumes? Did they just buy a set size and find they were too large for them to even cover their butts so they added petticoats?

Honestly it just looked like Chika was there leading an aerobics class. I'm not going to shit on them too heavily because dance and exercise is how you lose weight in the first place so props to them for trying, I just wish they'd gone for something easier and a little less demanding especially if some are struggling with problem areas like the knees. If she fucks up those she'll be out of action for a while if they plan to make a return.

Did anyone attend the Starlight Festival at Anime Weekend Atlanta? I didn’t attend the convention but I was wondering if it was any good, especially since Starmarie was there.

>>9999454
Starmarie was amazing. Mix of awesome and ok performances from the net idols.

>>9999506
I would’ve loved to see Starmarie, jealous everyone got to!
Anyone worth following? I already follow Paida, but I don’t know much about anyone else that was there.

>>9999525
Paida was amazing. Probably the best act up there besides SM

>>9999094
while looking at this i'm trying to put them in order of skinny to fat in the group;
Chika
Hanamaru
Dia
you
yoshiko
kanan
Mari
Ruby
Riko
what do you all think?

>>9999553
Seems accurate.

>>9999553
you really must've been bored

>>9999094
The costume design really wasn't helping... I mean I'm not going to guess people's measurements or whatever I just don't think the bagginess of the costume helped anyone

>>9999454
Paida and Milky Kitty did a duet together. I don't know why Paida agreed to sing with someone so tone deaf. Really glad shes leaving the idol scene.

>>9999576
She as in Milky Kitty or Paida? If you mean MK, more than anything she’s switching gears within the scene. If Paida, why? She’s doing great.

>>9999592
I think she means MK because MK is graduating soon.. this was one of her last performances

>>9999255

You sum up Colossalcon's talent show in a nutshell. Here is another embarassing one.

https://youtu.be/bSSmDjHk2fw

>>9999576
I imagine they’re probably good friends, I’ve never heard Milky Kitty sing but her dancing is not fantastic from what I’ve seen. She should probably stick to working on her festival stuff as an organizer.

>https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn90uSnh-cy/?taken-by=tamagoidols

>>9999621

https://youtu.be/qYCdUw8_bWE
Not sure if anyone here is from the Dutch community? I don't know how but these girls somehow pulled it off to get their own show.

>>9999656
terrible song choices for the number of people they had and the LL cosplay chosen. won't even get started on the dancing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOI2kt4PXJg
Interlunium picked the voices for the male group they're making. I'm not crazy about this introduction video I don't know if it's the voices, characters, or dialogue that I can't stand. I found it to be a bit painful to get through. Dialogue and character development has never been the group's strong suit, but I imagine this group's song will turn out well like the other two have.

>>9999598
holy fuuuuck, they're absolutely dead inside. and that purple girl could've put contact lenses in because she looks like a nerd. this was so painful to watch, it's like they were kidnapped and forced to put those costume on and dance

>>9999776
all three are the type of idol boys i stay away from ironically

>>9999776
Honestly, with these voices AND the super white looking Asian guys (aside from the shota who still looks white...) it’s just terrible. Maybe it’s an attempt to avoid being racist but then again, some of their characters do look Asian.

>>9999656
I watched the entire thing, the yoshiko and the you seem to be the only ones that can actually dance so id say its a good thing they were the ones with a solo/duo. Kanan looked profoundly confused at the other members atleast 90% of the time

>>9999776
They're just... Jupiter, lol

>>9999776
At least they’re all actual guys and not girls trying to sound manly, haha. It’s really funny, the manager is the best actor out of all of them desu

>>9999621
what exactly is going on with her shirt?

>>9999776
the shota just sounds like prozd doing a bad voice

So someone decided to be an ass and make a lolcow thread about Sakura Hana...Y'all do realize she's a minor.

>>10000276
I've seen her stuff on YT and let's be real, she's just awkward. And that's not a sin. yes she comments weird things back to feedback where another person would know to just comment "okay thanks!' she puts up an excuse... but like let's try to give this kid the benefit of the doubt.

>>10000017
if they don't want to be racist they should add a black person in the group

>>10000172
Omg that reminds me of how much so many people in the comment section wanted to join but they are girls who try to sound manly, it was so funny

>>10000276
Come on dudes. She's awkward and young but this is kinda ridiculous.

>>10000045

Glad I'm not the only one who thought this.

>>9999454
Starmie front row was like "wow, I would have to pay... too much for this" Also
>>9999506
yeah like I literally know most of the girls on stage and you are right. Honeslty in like 5 years after we have a full on aggressive talent cycle I have a feeling AWA will start becoming an honest to god weeb starmaker.

>>9999015
Please do!

>>10000276
that's going too far, she's a kid c'mon

>>10000488
>Honeslty in like 5 years after we have a full on aggressive talent cycle
Aggressive talent cycle?? What'd you mean sorry?

Does anyone have any tips when it comes to facial expression during a dance? Halfway through a song I either forget to lipsync or i get this really vacant half mouth open expression without smiling and I get really bothered about it by myself. Any good tips to help prevent this as much as possible?

>>10000995
I feel like while we may joke about say Ita and bad acting and dancing, it was MUCH worse 10 and 15 years ago, and the talent pool seems to be getting well, better? I mean its like we are aggressively training people to be at least competent you know?

>>10001037
Practice more. You can't focus on your facial expressions when you're struggling to remember or perform the next steps.

>>10001040
I think it's just an example of real life power creep in hobbies. As any scene develops, the unspoken requirements of what it takes to be "good" grow higher and higher. Look at cosplay, for example. 10 to 15 years ago shitty homemade costumes were the norm and it was somewhat unusual to get a professional photoshoot for a cosplay. Now the standards for what we consider "decent" are much higher, and the professional level is even higher than that. I think most hobbies go down that path as time goes on. For this, I'm glad, because I want to see people in this community push each other through competition and support to become better and better.

>>10001040

I think what caused it was because progress was slowed down considerably when Japan decided to copyright strike any JPOP video on the web and no one had anything for reference easily. Male J-Idols is still hard to find covers because Johnny is adamant on taking down all online content that isn't theirs.

>>10001151

I agree, better groups are popping up and we are seeing former LL groups branching out if they didn't already to non LL covers. I mean, we are ways off from being like China and Japan in terms of performance quality. But we are getting there.

Also, the founders of the disbanded EPS Infinity did a cover of Jishou Mushoku

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av31751790?

>>10001151
I know, I mean look at the fancover thing. Interlunium is well, competent? I mean they produce multiple "oh wow its like, you could sell this" songs, while 10 years ago the fan and cover song community was bad (honestly I am waiting on Interliunum to kickstart an Idol*master clone game, they have enough to do it now tbf), as one example

>>10001037
Honestly have a friend watch you and yell at you every time you drop smile lol it works

How to keep a heavy wig on during a more dynamic dance? There is stuff on top of it too, making it wobble dangerously when I jump. Stronger glue recs?

>>10001539
this question keeps getting asked every thread

Wig clips or a wig grip. I prefer clips. Make sure you wear a net wig cap so you can actually clip the wig to your hair through the cap. Two in the front, one or two on the back- it will star even doing cartwheels.

How do you guys feel about net idol groups that copy the formats of actual idol groups? Groups like Crystal Rose prior to changing their name, Shining Academy and Sakura Gakuin, I found one called FL!GHT that was copying Passpo, etc. I always find them poorly fleshed out.

>>10001605
Only acceptible if they're going to exclusively cover that one group... otherwise why?

>>10001037

Dancing is a lot like acting! When you're training a song you'll have to train your expressions at the same time. A lot of dancers don't seem to understand that in addition to perfecting the choreography, you'll have to learn to perform as well! Adding the smile/expressions after you've learned the dance can be difficult, especially if done on the day of the shoot. People don't magically turn into good performers when the cameras start rolling, on the contrary even... I'm not saying this because I assume you're doing that, but just as a general reminder for all the dancers lurking out there!

You can start by smiling and imagining an audience at the learning phase. You'll get used to this method in no time! And smile at your mistakes! (And also learn the dance by heart! If you're unsure what step comes next, it will show on your face.)

Also think what the song and lyrics make you feel and try to show those emotions on your face. You'll probably have to exaggerate them a little to make them actually visible on camera and stage.

Best of luck to you!

>>10001539
What >>10001590 said, also if you have long enough hair for it, I would recommend french braiding your hair into either one but preferably two. It creates a great base that can better hold and secure any clips or bobby pins that you'll use to keep your wig down. I've also never tried this, but I've heard taking a thicker needle and running string and "Sewing" the wig into the braids works really well.

>>10001590
>>10001691
>hair
This is my problem. I don't really have that - exept maybe 2 cm in some places.
I will look into wig grips meanwhile.

Ok, gulls, this may be a bit of a long shot, but if anyone knows where I can find a good dance cover of オモイデサLOVER by Armor Girls, I would be forever thankful. I’ve been searching all day, but to no avail. I know it’s an obscure one, but I haven’t given up hope yet!

>>10001756
https://youtu.be/cwW4icCiWaM

https://youtu.be/Ew4rRBvwvTQ

Probably not the best options but better than nothing.

>>10001539
bobby pins are my best friend, I usually always perform with some type of wig on and they haven't failed me yet.

>>10001917
Thank you SO much, Anon, you’re a lifesaver!

Has anyone else read the posts of the Totally Real Interviewer interviewing the One Wish girls?

Also, any thoughts on Tambourine Idols' new cover? I thought it was pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc0Cvbw7PXM

>>10002142
it's good, kinda wish they'd ditch the wigs though.

>>10002142
Pretty cute, I like how they incorporated the tambourines. But the outfits are kind of ugly/ill fitting. The combo of bloomers, frill socks, high waist and pigtails are giving ageplayer vibes...

>>10002142
....yikes.

>>10002142
Im sorry, what are they wearing? I looked them up on instagram and its supposed to be a lolita something??
>at 0:28 left one is super off beat

>>10002142
The background is so drab. They should have tried this outside or somewhere brighter.

>>10002355
Not even close to lolita, if that's what they're going for.

This is what one of the girls in Tambourine Idols posted on her spam account

>>10002367
What the fuck
Elitist piece of shit

>>10002369
How is that elitist? She just said that they put in more effort than some other groups that don't know what they're doing, not that they're better than them.

>>10002370
She’s saying that it’s bandwagon-y to be in idol groups and she’s assuming that her group is better even though they’ve only danced in front of an audience twice

>>10002370
There’s nothing wrong with that. But I think what Anon means is she’s putting her above everyone else as if she’s apart of some kind of higher standard when, in reality, she’s probably one of the lower tiers. That’s what makes it elitist. If anything, she’s part of a totally different bandwagon honestly.

>>10002373
>>10002374
I can see that. I've gotten to know Poppy recently (she's very sweet), but I honestly don't know much about Kazu. Guess that's how she acts.

Can I ask what’s with people spilling things that come from private spam accounts? I know it doesn’t happen often but like it happened with Stella too (even though that was herself).

>>10002392
People are usually their true selves on private accounts

>>10002130
From their Facebook?

>>10002431
Yup.

>>10002367
I kind of agree with the last bit. It’s a good idea for a group to decide if they’re doing it just for fun or for more competitive reasons. She’s worded it in a strange, defensive way, though

New cover from Tanoshii!! Project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW4iRPh2Uds

>>10002441
The vibe I'm getting is "uhhhh we were totally the first and only people to try to be original idols why is everyone now trying to do it, stop copying us." Which is obviously a very deluded and untrue sentiment. So that's why I think it sounds so defensive and elitist when they shouldn't be defensive in the first place. Like calm down no one is coming after your "success".

>>10002494
At first, I thought what she said sounded elitist and pretentious but as I kept reading it, I misinterpreted it? Maybe she was confused that ppl are making net idols groups yet they don't have a clear goal in mind hence why she mentioned "levels" . She was maybe defensive that ppl are coming out with these groups and not being serious about it on the same "level" as them or other idols? Idk

>>10002494
adding on to my previous comment, yeah the wording is really off though and they should word things beter

>>10002494
You are correct that she means it in a negative way. She's pretty full of herself.

>>10002367
"hey I enjoy doing this thing but I don't like that other people are starting to enjoy doing this thing because we work harder than them"

Any thought on Sélène?
They're french net idols and just started
here's their first song
https://youtu.be/k3-bcituTaU

>>10002684
This is well done; I like the video animation a lot.

>>10002684
This isn't really net idol, this is more like... Utaite / Youtaite
Having OCs you voice =\= net idol

Honestly I think she makes a major point? Same thing in the cosplay community. People that wanna go big need to keep that attitude, and Tambourine Idols definitely have it. Seeing them perform held that to a standard. They kept the audience engaged and I had an AMAZING time watching them, much more than compared to the groups that are obviously here for shits and giggles

I think she's right that people need to decide where they stand in the community before trying to get places that maaaaybe they don't belong. I definitely support the idols more now that I see they understand that, in order to go places, they need to figure out who is here for fun and who is here for competition

But you do you I guess

>>10002770
Oh shut up kazu

>>10002770
Lmao nice selfpost

>>10002770
They’re off beat, wearing god-awful clothes, and they both sing the same parts. There’s a lot of work to be done.

>>10002770
I just don't understand what the problem is

If they're really that much better than other groups, then that will show when they perform, they'll get more opportunities and more of a following

Idol groups that aren't as good and don't work as hard won't. There's no interference there? Having other idol groups around that aren't as good, regardless of whether they are trying to compete OR just there for shits and giggles as you say- how does that even matter? What difference would that make?

Sounds to me like they need to spend less time worried about other groups and more time improving themselves. If they're gonna wear wigs, for gods sake get nicer quality ones. If they are taking themselves so "seriously" then why are their intro videos so boring and casual? They also need to improve their outfits, like others have mentioned. The ones from their latest cover really were atrocious.

I can def tell they are working harder than a lot of other groups. And Poppy in particular has a lot of potential! But dang these posts really left a bad impression.

>>10002770
You can make a point without being an ass about it. Why did THEY want to be idols? Let’s also not forget that they market themselves as net idols yet do lives and live/perform together. Maybe they should decide what they are & what they want to be.

Are any of you really surprised that idols are bitchy underneath it all? The cute/nice act is all fake anyway. She voiced a sentiment on her PRIVATE account that most idols probably have. In truth they're still fairly average, and she needs a bit of an ego check, but it's not really anything new to have feelings like this.

>>10002755
Not all idol content is cutesy ott kawaii shit, there are plenty of 'cool-type' idols with a more mature vibe/songs. I don't see how they're any different than Interlunium and everyone here is happy to call them net idols- Is it just because they have a more cutesy feel/vibe?

Sorry if i'm coming across kind of abrupt but i've seen a lot of comments in these threads about how certain songs/groups aren't net idols bc they're not the cookie-cutter definition of "idols" and it's really grating me. It makes no sense and disgregards plenty of idols group who don't fit the teehee cute~ mold. (E.g ANGERME, Perfume, Walkure, god even some Idolmaster units etc.)

>>10002870
If she’s going to be an idol- she needs to be real. No more fake shit.
If she’s going to hide shit and say stuff like that she’s being an idol for the wrong reasons.

>>10002874
Perfume aren’t idols & ANGERME just grew up. But I agree.

>>10002870
No, but there’s a difference in pretending to be nice and caring then saying some shit and being like Juliane, Milky, etc. who are genuinely nice but still speak their mind.

>>10002770
why does it need to be a competition in the first place pfft

>>10002774
Nice try Vendetta-Chan that isn’t Kazu. I love how we are arguing over a private post. It seemed to stir up some conversations, so if the shoe fits then wear it I guess.

To the person that said private accounts are how people actually are, we’re all anons right now and guess what all of our shit stinks.

>>10003029
but even here with everyone on anon, no one was being that bratty and elitist about new idol groups

i feel bad someone leaked something from her private account but still. what she said was weirdly aggressive and in bad taste. i don’t think most people here were out of hand in their responses

>>10003029
And how do you know it isn’t kazu? Unless it’s you?

>>10003029
>>10003042
You seem pretty defensive.

>>10003042
It’s mostly because everyone is going to task on a private post. That’s the thing that irks me the most about it. Obviously, whoever was behind the post was feeling a type of way. I think it’s poorly worded desu. I can agree with the idea of just for fun or a more serious additude. That’s mostly the reason why the post was made, I’m assuming. It doesn’t take long on /CGL/ to realize Sif groups are the saltiest, we all know this. Someone is more serious about it than the others and spills everyone’s dirt. That’s how it goes with idols.

>>10003047
Because I know who actually wrote the post and it isn’t kazu. I’m not kazu either but I’m still going to get called Kazu because that’s 4chan for you. I’m defensive because it’s a private post and someone on her private was feeling salty.

>>10003055
Spill the beans anon

>>10003083
I would but that’s almost like posting someone’s private spam post to /cgl/

If they want to come forward they can, it’s not my place.

>>10003105
Well I mean you were talking a big game.

>>10003055
>>10003105
You can’t just go “I know who did it”, throw shade, and still try to take the higher ground by not saying who did it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3_TT9ForBE
Stumbled upon this group on Instagram and...

>>10003185
hot mess

>>9999532
i wanted to see Paidas performance but i missed it!!! how was it?

>>10003185
yikes.

>>10003185
what the fuck is up with these ll cover groups performing without shoes on YIKES

>>10003351
I can't even dance on proper floors without shoes on, I'd love to know what their feet are made of to handle pavement and rocks.

>>10003185
Almost all of them are hunched over like a bunch of gremlins. Their cosplays would support that notion, it's like they found a bunch of fabric and just threw them together to kinda resemble the mijuku outfits

>>10003185
The description from their start dash PV:
"this is zaka Idols first PV as a group! (minus one member because our Nozomi couldnt make it but we still love her) It certainly isn't perfect because it was very last minute that we had to change the song. so no one had it memorized so we had to film while watching the mirror.(lol so professional) and on top of that some members where blind while filming but we did as best as we could with the circumstances and I'm thrilled with how it came out! each milestone we will do a cover of start dash again and see our progress over the years! i hope you enjoy the video! -Emil/Kotori"

Why did you even bother filming then? Why wouldn't you just cut your losses and try again another time? idek what the losses would be considering the production value is non-existent. If you wanna look back on your progress, maybe keep the first couple tries un-posted and to yourself.

It looks like theres drama in the MI dance community again LMAO. No one is surprised.

>>10004032
What happened this time?

>>10002874
No, I don't consider interlunium idols either. I know that not all idols are "kawaii". I'm just not understanding exactly why all of the sudden drawing a picture and singing makes you a net idol. It's a singing group. I'd be more inclined to call them net idols if their characters talked or were animated. Otherwise, that's basically what utaites are

>>10004032
There isn't really drama, just some beef with this girl who took out being bitter at an ex dance member by outing her photography page.

The short version of it, the ex member who does photography took on photoshoots at a con, was sexually assaulted and handled that assault poorly, and dropped all remaining photoshoots and slowly trickled out refunds when she could. Two friends of the girl who outed her had photoshoots with her and were mad, so Amelia retaliated by blasting her photography page as a "scammer" because she was "protecting her friends" when she was posting on her private fb her plans to "shut her up" by posting it when the two were fighting.

Ex member made a confession post about her assault and why it affected her photography, so Amelia jumped on to her soap box and acted like ex member was stirring shit.

It's already dead and over with so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up but
That's the low down

>>10004032
Also, no one calls it "the dance community" except for Leah, so I'm guessing her or her friends are on here to start shit. All of these groups are separate operating groups who get along and occasionally collab. They're not some crazy hivemind of people who get together and plot. We hang out like twice a year.

I get you're bitter because you fucked over your chances with everyone, but don't try coming up in here to stir more shit. You're whipping a dead horse.

>>10004200
At the most, Interlunium are an internet version of Love Live & the members are seiyuus. Virtual idols is honestly more accurate than net idols. I only see them as separate from utaites because they do their own songs and not covers.

I don’t remember how, but I found and have been following this group(?). There’s not much of it yet, but they seem to be going the same route as Interlunium - only with actual people. They’re slow and still haven’t released any info about auditions but so far, I’d much rather support them. Someone starting from nothing and working up.

>>10004423
Almost forgot. A link would be helpful wouldn’t it.

https://m.youtube.com/c/Superrareproductions

I will be going to Japan soon. I applied to some agencies and magazines to become an idol and model but I will also be living on a military base. Will i or my husband get in trouble? A friend warned me but I'm not sure...

>>10004919
I cannot imagine it being a huge issue, imo. As long as you understand you really can't do a lot of risqué stuff as your husband is your sponsor for your SOFA status while living in Japan, anything that his command deems as not good can easily get you/him sent home to the states. I'm not sure how it'll work when/if you sign to an agency, though, since you can obtain a working visa through them. But, my husband says once you sign to an agency however, you will pretty much forfeit your SOFA status, and live in Japan off that visa. And if your husband were to PCS out of Japan and you're still working on that visa, he would be leaving without you. I'd recommend going to the on base legal office when you guys get to your duty station and ask about it all before you sign to any agency.

>>10004919
Let me ask you this: is your weeb dream more important than your husband and his military career? Even then, agencies are stricter when it comes to foreigners. The chances of you, a foreigner, actually getting signed to do idol or modeling work with your looks WHILE MARRIED to a military husband is very low to impossible. You will also have to deal with the social impact from both the Japanese and the base's society. Don't sign up to something when you don't know what your getting into. Please think it over and talk to your husband about this. Don't ruin both of your careers and reputations for your weeb dream.

>>10004424
i’m really excited for this too, but worried that it’s updating so slowly. the art is really cute

i like the designs much more than interlunium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrreSVkrN3s
Any thoughts on this performance?

>>10005290
I agree it is. They said back in August they were going to post about auditions but never did.

>>10005307

God the Riko looked lost...

>>10004424
At AFO San talked about this a bit, the art was shown on screen when she performed. I think they’re a full group already so no auditions.

>>10005383
Yeah they had all the art, but if they were already a full group then I don’t understand why after the con they’d post saying they’d hold auditions for more members... Before yeah that makes sense but that was early August and in mid August they said they’d hold auditions.

>>10005432
Just for reference on what I mean. Figured I might’ve been unclear. The con was August 3-5.

>>10005443
Yeah, I’m pretty sure only two of the girls are voiced. Though I wonder if the rest are mostly cast already? also wondering if you have to be the same nationality to audition for each role

bc i would like to audition for it but i am a white american and the only american one looks ethic

>>10005443
Ah okay, thanks for the information! Kind of strange they haven’t posted more about it since. I hope they do open auditions.

New thread before this one dies off?

So akiba idol emily quits being an idol

>>10007498
Here is a more recent tweet from her. I feel bad for her.

>>10007498
I really like her songs, I think she has a talent for music. Her stuff is unique unlike a lot of other peoples stuff. I hope she can move into more of a support position for idols and focus on those talents she does have

>>10007500
It sounds like she is jealous of other acts because they are succeeding where she failed. She is hiding behind pity party excuses to make everyone feel bad for her when the real issue is she didn't push herself enough to catch up. Now she is "giving up." I don't feel bad for her but at least she is more self aware than the rest of the community.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiBDufR-oBQ
Just in time for the Halloween season, Natalie posted another version of the Incoherent Noise Song.

>>10007500
Woah, wtf? Just because black "idols" exist doesn't mean she doesn't have a place. Yeah she does not look like an idol, but like everyone else, you can work to change that. This is kind of... Out of left field and uncalled for. Cringy.

Especially when throwing 'clover' in there like she actually does anything other than harass Michigan dancers and then act like she can't even touch her. Emily, do your thing.

>>10007648
I honestly had to ask myself which one...

>>10007498
>>10007500
That’s unfortunate, but honestly I agree a bit with everyone (>>10007557, >>10007610, >>10007670). For one, she is really talented and is about the same level as Monday Society, if not more, when it comes to composition. However, that said, any stagnation that occurred seems to be that of her own doing. Nobody really knows who she is and part of that is because I’ve never seen her perform, she basically treats herself like a mascot of an arcade... She could’ve done more reguardless of whether or not people “wanted” her. It seems like she’s trying to make drama in the community (literally everyone she’s listed... is in ohio or Michigan...).

>>10007681

>>10007500
How old is Emily and why is she reflecting on middle school? Everyone's middle school experiences were shitty, you aren't special.

>>10007741
I don’t think it’s so much about middle school as it is the whole “big fish / little pond” experience. I went through the same thing going from highschool to college. It’s very jarring to go from being the most talented, the smartest, etc to suddenly being in a group where you’re not even close to the best. It makes absolute sense to me that it would continue to affect her even all these years later. But i def hope she can see it more positively one day, and use it as motivation rather than letting it hold her back

What do you guys think about overseas idol catchphrases/call and response phrases? Usually they're fine as long as they don't have any Japanese in them, then it goes into weeaboo territory.

>>10008518
Personally, I feel that when they’re either too “Japanese” styled or they have broken Japanese, it’s weird. But if it works in either language and they say it in both, then I think it’s fine. I also think puns are ok too as long as they make sense.

>>10008518
If they sound like something an actual idol would say, I’m all for it! Language doesn’t matter if it works well. (Like an idol named Pom saying something like ポンポンチュ/Pom-pom chuu!) I don’t mind potential weebness as far as catchphrases go, it adds to the charm and (fun) cheesiness in most cases.

another dropped from SS. it looks like they are looking for another member...again.

>>10008756
She was a bitchy person who shit talked everyone so nothing was lost.

>>10008756
uh what's SS

>>10008758
Sauce?

>>10009279
Start Splash— (another) Texas Love Live! cover group. Last I saw, they were looking for a new Yohane? I have no idea what happened, lol.

>>10009621
From what I've heard, and by that I mean all from reading this thread, is that they switched/kicked out Chika's at least 3 times, including a bunch of drama surrounding the first Chika they kicked out.

>>9996415
>She looks pretty cute

>>10010396
she has potential. With proper makeup and facial expression of course.

>>10010396
NAYRT Honestly, her natural hir hair and face aren’t bad. Plus, she’s posted a photo with a makeup filter. It just puts makeup on and smooths skin and it looked good. Different than her but good.

>>10010422
a lot of her problem is just bad angles- not to mention how bad an unstyled wig can make you look. She’s got a lot to learn, but she’s not totally hideous

>https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo1kkKml8uV/?taken-by=hamakoidols

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIqatEU2xE0

AlexPinku uploaded her performance from Starlight Idol Festival.

>>10010641
I only understood ''Thanks you'' ....

>>10010641

it sounds like she just had a bad mic which really sucks. her stage presence is fantastic though which i think is a huge problem for a lot of idols.

>>10010761
I thought the same! That mic just did not sound right.

>>10010761
>>10010918
It's not the microphone. Her singing was really unstable. And picking shake it was not a good song choice, that song was too high for her.

>>10010761
she also had problems with her breathing, her voice wasn't clear in the first place. If you listen to her other covers you can hear it as well.

>>10010761
I agree her song choices weren't the best in terms of singing, she should've chosen something more in her range. Shame since her stage presence is great.