/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Jesus, thanks for reminding me I still have an Oo Jia replica in the back of my closet about as bad. I really got get rid of that.

>>9965282
>>9965301
Why didn't you listen

>>9965336
nyart but people also told me that bodyline was bad quality but all the bodyline stuff i have is fine, it's not brand quality obv but it's totally worth the $15-40 that i paid

>>9965336
Nayrt but mine was a gift. My bestie was helping me look for chess chocolate and got me that for the time. It was the discolored one and it made me want the real one even more. That was 4 years ago. I only just now was able to snag the real deal a couple months ago.

>>9965282
i also bought an oojia replica in 2011/2012 (can't remember specifically). I was 14/15 at the time and didn't understand what made brand so good and thought replicas were the same. During that time peachie would hype up replicas a lot, so I bought the dream sky replica in lavender.
I don't regret it, because about 3 months after getting it, I bought my first piece of brand and I realized it was so much better, and I felt better in it. I don't think there's any good reason to buy a replica nowadays. Back then, there weren't as many taobao brands and it was harder to snag brand pieces. The japanese shopping services had huge fees attached.
I don't see any reason for anyone to buy a replica these days, and it's truly a shitty thing to do. I don't think the quality of her piece was awful, but it was very obviously a replica and was far from the quality of the real thing.
I'm getting dream sky in the mail soon (the real thing) and it kinda makes me laugh thinking of how much i've improved, but also how much more improving I need to do.

I bought that one chocolate rosette replica mainly for the socks and rosette, partly to see if I wanted to spend $300+ on it for the real deal. which I did.

now I don't know what to do with the fake since I don't sew

>>9965282
I love seeing all these Oojia confessions. Makes me feel a bit better about mine.

I was so close to getting an Oojia Crystal Dream Carnival replica. I didn't realize how bad it was. There was a whole group dedicated to pooling money to buy her the real deal so she could make replicas. I remember thinking it was pretty shady back then, this chick gets brand and our money to make a copy, but it was going to be like $50, I was young and dumb and didn't care.

I'm so glad the group got deleted for supporting art theft, and people set me straight about it when I asked in like Rufflechat or something. CDC is no longer a dream dress but I am the proud owner of a closet filled with brand and no replicas.

>>9965350
I have a few bodyline things that are great! not brand, like you said, but not bad and definitely worth more than the 10-20 bucks i paid. I do, however, have an okay dress with the WORST LACE POSSIBLE from them too. stiff and scratchy as fuck.

>>9965336
Everyone did it at one point. Anyone who tells me they don't have some shitty replica they got at some point is a liar. Shoes and bags absolutely count.

If I order shoes too small for me I shove my feet into them and hurt myself because god damn I'm not giving up my brand new btssb shoes for being a measly one US size too small

>>9965301
You can made a pillow or something with the fabric

>>9965373
>Back then, there weren't as many taobao brands and it was harder to snag brand pieces
Back then in... 2011? Sorry anon but I call bullshit, there have always been better options than replicas and getting brand in 2011 wasn't difficult at all. When people say that brand was difficult to get "back in the day" they mean in the early 2000s, not early 2010s.

>>9965496
I have done this exactly once. Never again.

Protip, you should invest in either a shoe stretcher or look up diy shoe stretching tips. It really helps.

>>9965496
You're going to regret fucking your feet up when your old.

I have the Holy Lantern skirt sitting in my closet for a year and a Brown-Pink Alba Rosa coat for years and I have never worn them.
I'm not even a lolita or gyaru but I fell in love with these pieces and just wanted to have them. I tell myself I will wear them someday (in casual style, not full lolita) when I feel more confident about it but I don't know if that will ever happen.

I shit on fat lolitas because I have in the past tried to give a few fat ones a chance to be my friend but they've all ended up being extremely selfish and just use me because I have a large wallet due to family money. The one thinner lolita friend I've had has literally never asked me for anything and yet that's all the fat ones did, abuse my generosity

>>9965523
Thank you anon I didn't know those existed. I don't do this often but I spent a lot on shipping for this large order and can't return them so I'm mad and going to wear them out of spite at this point >>9965526
You are 100% correct but I also don't think I'll be alive by the time I'd care anywayyys

>>9965282
I'm an elegant, classic Lolita, and I just wasted about an hour of my time watching Thots & Manhos of Sunset.

>>9965558
To be honest, all the classic lolitas I know are into trashy reality tv, myself included.

>>9965496
Anon don't do this, it's not about regretting it when you're old, there are immediate effects too. I wore shoes a size too small last year for several hours and really fucked up my toes, I had huge bloody blisters under the toenails that were swollen and hurt like hell. It took them a whole year to grow out and one toe is still fucked up and gets really sore when I wear normal comfy shoes for a few hours. Imma have to show it to a doctor soon because I'm tired of this hell.

My best lolita friend desperately wanted Fancy Dolly when it first came out and I bought her a replica from ClobbaOnline for her birthday. I had seen a lot of replica hype and thought it would be okay. My friend was really happy, it was one of the best recieved gifts I've ever given... But now I cringe and feel like crying a little every time I think about it.

>>9965639
But did she know it was replica?

I have less respect for lolitas who come from rich backgrounds and who don't have to work. Its probably just salt, but I feel that having to work to be able to wear the fashion shapes your character much more and makes you value what you buy rather than see it as just another purchase.

>>9965699
Yes she did. To be fair we were like 15 at the time, but it's still shameful

>>9965496
I've lost two toenails because of small shoe.
Took a year to grow back to normal, anon. Dont do that.

>>9965518
depends on where you live, anon.
In the USA, maybe. But some countries didn't even have easy access to paypal, for example. Back in 2009 I had to make my account using a fake address receipt so that I could buy internationally. Imagine using an SS?

>>9965612
Imagine Mercedes in Lolita, she'd be the trashiest ita, she'd blow PT out of the water, no contest.

>>9965730
How does not having a Paypal entitle you or anyone to buying replicas?

>>9965763
Nayrt, but it's not about entitlement but about options. Also take into account that anon was probably much younger and less experienced with international buying, so that may have played into.
I'm not a fan of replicas either, but calm your petti.

>>9965496
I don't understand why people just don't ask BabyAP to make more sizes. They've already added LL.

>>9965915
I ordered them from a different seller, secondhand, but in new condition. They were a M, and I'm a size US 7.5-8 so it's right on the cusp of too small.

I'm stretching them right now and it's slow work but it's actually helping. But regardless I wouldn't even be affected if baby released larger than an LL and messaging them directly would do nothing for me

>>9965763
I was 15, and I said i realise it was wrong now. I only buy brand and legitimate items now. What more do you want? me to time travel into the past and slap myself silly?
>>9965518
Buying brand with ss that charged 15% on all items, our dollar was almost worthless, and i was also 15 and new to the fashion outside of the ebay "gothic lolita" section.

>>9965923
Just buy L man, why would you do that to yourself?

>>9965932
It was an accident that I got the M instead of an L, the seller worded stuff wrong and didn't put the manufactured size just a shoe size and it roughly said it should have fit me.

I should have looked at measurements closer but I'm stingy and I like them

>>9965495
Lol I never did. I used crescent shop from the beginning. Believe what you want

>>9965728
Same. My big toe fell off it was awful

>>9965301
>>9965350
I always cringe when I hear people saying their replica is as nice as the original. Some anons even went so far as saying angelic pretty was just having the same factory make their clothing, with the same materials and everything, and was just putting an ap tag on it and selling it for more. I was like, bitch u wish.

>>9965931
I'm >>9965518, I have no doubt that as a teenager you didn't have the same means as you do now and I'm not mad that you bought a replica; but saying that brand was difficult to get in 2011 is still silly, especially since shopping services weren't a must in order to buy from every brand; again, we're talking about 2011, not 2001.

>>9965923
Wow. Then that's your own fault. Just buy the right size.

>>9965942
My whole leg fell off, 10/10 do not recommend

>>9965915
Would there even be a market for LLL? That would be around 26-26.5cm (just over a 10 US women's), which is pretty huge by anyone's standards. No girls I know have feet even close to that big.

>>9966008
Most of us taller girls do. So we're forever stuck with antaina and shitty normie shoes. Even for those, most of the cute styles stops at 9.

>>9965969
See >>9965937

>>9965986
I died from wearing shoes too small

>>9966013
>on the taller end for a grill (5'7/170)
>wear a US 6.5
>feels good
I'll wear all the cute shoes in your honour, anon.

>>9966017
Lucky. I'm 6'0" and a large 11/small 12. And half-sizes stop being made at 9, so shoeshopping is always hell.

>>9965720
Sorry you're poor anon. I didn't realise people with money were unable to appreciate fashion and have a personality outside of their financial situation.

>>9966016
So sell them and buy the right size?

>>9966044
>Being this triggered in a confessions thread

>>9966061
Sorry you're poor! It feels good being able to buy as much brand as I want.

>>9966044
To be fair the OP did say it was probably just salt. It's likely a mix of jealousy and trying to make themselves feel better because they have to work harder than us at everything. I wouldn't hold it over them too much.

>>9966076
Me too! I only have to give my panties to daddy for get brand! Feels awesome

>>9966151
Please work on your English before you shitpost.

>>9966151
Stay mad poorfag :^)

>>9966151
Stop taking baito anon

>>9965943
>AP uses the same "factory" as oo jia
lol, you can just tell when someone is too new to be in lolita.

I used to think the difference between brand and replica would be not very hard to tell and that I could fool people at meets or cons if needed. I had no clue about fabrics, printing, or the real art behind making a good lolita dress.

>>9966016
My shoes were so small that I died and was reincarnated as a foot that fell off from wearing shoes too small

>>9966016
Small shoes killed my whole family and burned my house down

>>9966199
Guys these shoes came to life and strangled my cat and is trying to attack me what do i do

>>9966165
That wasn't bait I'm legitimately rich, and I understand if people are jealous and don't hold it against them unless they act retarded

I wish my favourite lolitas had ko-fi or patreon or wishlists because I'd genuinely buy them stuff to show how much I love their aesthetic.

No I'm not a gross crossboarder or a sissy or a predatory lesbian. I just really love lolita.

>>9966253
Why not buy lolita for your lolita friends instead? Or better yet buy dresses for you to twin

>>9965948
So you mean the second hand market? The second hand western market was pretty bad at that time. A lot of stuff that was stained or heavily worn was sold full price, and it was still cheaper to buy overseas with the services being ass.
I didn't buy first hand items because it was a lot more expensive, i didn't have the same means as I said. Plus there was rarely prints I liked coming out, I liked older pieces a lot more.

>>9965937
aw, that sucks. I really think you should just put them away or try to sell them and buy another pair. Its not worth keeping something tat is uncomfortable, unless it's the only option available.

>>9965543
Honestly in a normie outfit this skirt wouldn't get many looks. I don't think it should take that much courage to wear it or the coat.

>>9966269
I don't have any. I'm a lonelita at the moment. There's literally no one nearby me

>>9966294
I haven't seen these shoes pop up secondhand very often and I'm not supposed to spend more on lolita at the moment. I'm going to keep them and see what I can do about expanding them because it is about half a sizeish too small so it won't be hard to fix

>>9966302
I can be your friend :^)
>>9966304
Good luck finding them again, sucks they're too small.

My sin is that I want to be efamous. I think it's nice to have people admire you and look up to you. I try to put as much effort as I can into my online presence, work to improve my coording skills and post stuff that's consistent and diverse, but growth is really slow.
I can't help but feel really salty and jealous when girls with the most generic taste post 5 pic of each coord, low quality photos with bad lighting and a ton of crappy stickers, and get 1+k followers in months.
I don't want to feel this jealosy but I can't help it because I work just as hard, if not more than some of them, and get a small fraction of their progress.

>>9966321
This sounds like the typical /cgl/ poster. First, get over yourself, hard work doesn't always pay off and you need to accept that. second, the people who are efamous deserve to be efamous. You can be salty all you want, but when someone is popular, they worked for it. Sure, maybe not as hard as you, but who cares? focus on yourself and not others. Don't be salty or jealous of people, it shows.
Imo efame is just really dumb, especially being efamous for being a lolita or alt-fashion person. there's no need to be jealous over those people or even worship those people. we're all human, so just chill

>>9966253
Lolitas reeee at the other thoughts of lolitas getting donated money for anything. The jealousy is real.

You should see how Kate is treated on lolcow for just setting up a KoFi. KoFi donations are like 5 dollars max. It's so fucking stupid.

>>9965986
Pirate coords for life

>>9966420
People are annoyed because she’s asking for money to get away from her “unsafe” “scary” situation with her husband while still spending money on Laduree and other expensive frivolous things. Having a ko-if is one thing, pretending to be in jeopardy so people will fund your lifestyle for you is another.

>>9966292
>all these excuses

>>9966321
Holy shit it's just numbers. Nothing to get jealous over or to work hard for. Get a more productive hobby.

>>9966425

Dude that's fucking awful considering her husband has been nothing but supportive this entire time. Jesus Christ, this is going to be horrible for him.

>>9966420
They're $3 each but you can send multiples
Also kek because she only got 10 donations the entire time she had the link up, despite her massive following. I guess the majority of her "fans" saw through her bullshit

>>9966434
Nayrt but what are you even arguing for? She doesn't buy replicas anymore.

I never bought replicas but in 2011 I was 13 and it was a lot more difficult to use SSes and brand sites because of shitty webdesign. Being a dumb kid didn't help eithe

>>9966321
>I think it's nice to have people admire you and look up to you

okay but people who are efamous also experience a huge backlash and need to have a thick skin. i think a lot of people who want to be efamous get caught up in wanting the positive attention and don't think enough about the negative attention

I rarely wear my lolita clothes. I've only worn about 30% of my closet, and the dresses that I have worn I've maybe used in a coord once. I have about 30 brand dresses I rarely even touch or look at. The thought of wearing my lolita clothes gives me so much stress and anxiety because I'm Just too scared of permanently damaging pieces and/or getting them dirty. Lolita is also crazy uncomfortable which Just adds to the stress. I wish I could just wear my dresses but the fear is just too overwhelming.

>>9966489
Do your clothes regularly get dirty when you go out? If they don't, you have nothing to worry about. And even if your frills do get dirty, you can clean them. Unless your lolita wardrobe is full of velvet, you most likely can just wash them on a gentle cycle and they'll be fine.
And, what makes your frills uncomfortable? I used to feel that lolita was uncomfortable to wear when I was a beginner until I started wearing things that actually fit me; and I don't just mean measurement-wise, cuts matter a lot too.

>>9965495
More like anyone who started before 2013, anon. Newfags don't run the risk of replicas anymore.

>>9966494
nayrt but lolita, while not *un*comfortable if it fits properly, isn't my definition of "comfortable" either--it's a lot of layers and it can definitely feel heavy and confining even if it isn't snug. there is certainly a sense of freedom when i get undressed after wearing a full coord all day.

>>9966659
I mean I started within this past year and despite following the fashion I accidentally bought a replica as my first dress (I wasn't aware of some of the taobao replicas)

I get really triggered when lolitas button the straps on the back of the jsk backwards. So many people do this.

>>9966248
>legitimately rich

I'd love to know what your definition of this is.

>>9966321
I went away because the numbers were scaring me. I couldn't keep up with everyone & it was a massive burden everytime I went onto sm. People feel like you owe them something. Its not a good thing anon, just enjoy your hobby for you.

>>9966494
My normal stuff does get dirty sometimes, yes. I eat a lot of curry/noodles/spaghetti which doesn't help. I'm terrified of ruining dresses by machine Washing them as the delicate cycle on my machine still seems pretty rough to me (sadly can't get another one since I'm renting) maybe that's Just me though.

My dresses fit me well ( I can wear innocent world's S size with some room to spare) but it's manly the combination of fabric + all the layers that makes me a sweaty mess in 10 minutes, especially since a lot of it is polyester.

I'm very open to tips on all of this though as I would love to wear my lolita clothes more often!

>>9967127
If you're really worried about your washing machine fucking up your frills, there are laundry bags for delicate garments that you can use for your dresses (yes they do make them that large); you can also wash them by hand but personally I find machine washing a lot more convenient, so that's an option if you want to try it. If you wear IW's poly pieces then doubly so because they tend to be very durable. That said, they are quite inconvenient to wear in the summer, I'll give you that, so I suggest you try to wear cotton instead of poly whenever possible, wear knee socks or ankle socks instead of OTKs or tights (just remember to use sunscreen on your knees and legs if they're bare, you don't want awkward knee tan), and if it's really warm, wear a very light petticoat or even an underskirt instead of a petti - This is what I do anyway and it does make wearing lolita in the summer a lot easier, especially if you also carry a parasol and a fan.

>>9967127
get more cotton pieces, at the very least blouses/undergarments for hot summer days, wear an apron when you go out to eat. if you regularly get food on your clothes, there’s not much you can do but become more aware of how messy you are and control yourself/choose to eat foods that won’t ruin your dresses. learn how to hand wash clothes if you think your washing machine will ruin them, it’s quite time consuming, but not that hard.

>>9967046
I'm not outlandishly rich by any means but I think many lolitas would get salty if they knew my situation.

Parents and relatives paid for college, pay for my rent and most of my expenses, send me $1500 or so a month, and take me on vacations with them (though if I travel alone I have to pay). I got into lolita when I was younger and more dependent on my family, so 90% of my wardrobe was paid for by my parents (130 or so main pieces). I have my own job because I'm a functioning adult, but most of my income goes into savings.

None of my lolita friends or comm members know the specifics. They just know I have a massive wardrobe and a good job. I have bought dream dresses and new releases as gifts for close friends before.

>>9966465
Is she trying to pretend that the husband that financially supports her bullshit is abusive?

>>9967229
Its sweet that you'd spend the money on gifts. My friend is in a similar situation (her moms not rich but pays for all her trips around the world, gives her money to buy anything she wants online, etc..., but rarely buys anyone but her bf gifts) I'm jealous as fuck, to be honest, but my family is not poor, they just never give me anything material. I know I'm very fortunate to be in a good living situation. It's also nice that even though you are getting a lot of side money, you still are working and functioning well.

>>9967229
Yeah, I wouldn't say you're rich either, more just like well off which isn't the same.

>>9967251
Thanks anon. Like I said, I try not to hold it against people if they're jealous.

>>9967257
I guess that's true. I meant more that I'm wealthy/spoiled enough that most lolitas would get salty at me.

>>9966202
I once wore shoes too small and now I'm gay.

>>9966008
A majority of girls in my comm wear a 9 -10 actually and a couple are even bigger than that. We do big group orders from antaina.

>>9966013
>>5'3"
>>LL
feels bad man

I really hate these Taobao style ruffle all around the collar blouses. I just don't think they go with lolita dresses at all, except maybe classic if the ruffles are way longer. They look particularly out of place in sweet coords.
They just make them because it's cheaper and easier than making a nice collar and it shows.

>>9967328
Agreed. I'm too scared to buy a taobao blouse in general because I'm scared the quality and the fit will make me regret my purchase.

>>9967328
I own like 5 of these and LOVE them in the summer. /shrug

>>9967328
I hate Taobao in general. Hate is a bit steong word so let's say I dislike people defending Taobao's quality and designs and then only supporting the fast fashion end of it. I don't want the whole "it doesn't matter bc it was cheap shit from China teehee"-mentality overrun lolita. I guess there is no saving the fashion industry in general but atleast I'm trying. My bf called me elitist yesterday for critiquing a quality of an random outfit in a pic.

My confession in the other hand is I'm afraid lolita is making me rot inside quicker. I have really negative attitude and while I know it's atleast partly due to anxiety and depression I feel like lolita is feeding it. People staring at me and making nasty comments, all revolving around looks, drama which I enjoy too much, critiquing every outfit silently in my mind... And yet lolita is one of the few things left I genuinly enjoy and find energy to do. It's not the fashion itself, it's not the community but that rather I'm too invested with it to avoid all the negativity and it sinks to me. I don't want to take a break because idk what I would spend my days doing then.

>>9967344
Agreed

>>9967328
They're better than going blouseless, anon. And the neckline of these suits some girls much better than Peter Pan collars do

>>9967349
I totally agree with your opinions on Taobao, it's literally just the fast fashion counterpart to lolita. I don't buy normie fast fashion so why would I buy taobao just for the one needle in a haystack dress that doesn't look and feel like shit in person. Having said that, if you think lolita is feeding your depression or anxiety I suggest you take up some other hobbies. I'm a pretty negative person that struggles with depression too, and I find that whenever I latch on to one hobby in particular, especially from a critical perspective it's at times when I'm at my lowest.

Also it's worth nothing that unless you make your own lolita clothes or create a lot of content online it's also a very consumption based hobby, as opposed to say taking up a sport or learning a new skill etc. so it's not really healthy of fulfilling for it to be your only hobby. You don't have to quit or take a break from lolita, but I think you should try and find some other things that you enjoy and want to do in addition to it. There's gotta be other stuff you are interested in trying out.

My own confession (kinda related) is that I think I latch on to the fashion the most when I'm the most depressed. I wear it daily anyway, so it's not the fashion itself that's the problem. More that I'm worried I'm developing a shopping problem, as well as the fact I spend a lot more time here on /cgl/ when I'm miserable and it just feeds into it. I'm not like this with any of my other hobbies, I just particularly fixate on lolita when I'm not coping in my real life. I know I do it and I'm trying to stop and work on myself, and I do love the fashion. I just hate feeling like this because it makes the fashion less enjoyable for me ever since I realised what I was doing. I just feel this sense of guilt whenever I buy new clothes or whatever because I know I'm just doing it to avoid dealing with my issues.

>>9967329
Some of the blouses I've bought on tb have been kind of meh but Cherry Bomb is top notch and I was also very pleasantly surprised by Aurora&Ariel.

>>9967328
Are there any taobao blouses you do like then or just none at all? I'm doing a tb haul and wanna get a few.

>>9967446
Anon, don't let someones subjective opinion dictate what blouses you should buy. The style is popular because its versatile & good for the summer. while taobao is a "quick buy" market & i agree that you shouldn't buy everything solely from taobao- a blouse isn't as big of a deal as the jsk or skirt you pair it with.
you should post the blouses you want in stupid questions and see what people say in terms of quality.

>>9967446
I love yolanda’s Blouses. I really don’t care about this taobao hate, as someone who wears lolita daily it has given me more casual options and I enjoy it for that. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Easy solution.

>>9967458 >>9967467

Oh no anons opinion isn't dictating what I'm not buying, I thought they might have some input on comfy blouses they do like since I'm getting a similar one and I've been looking for a few varying types to throw in the haul. It's nice to hear feedback on "x store has crappy quality and loose threads" kinda stuff. I should've worded my post better.

But yeah that question would have been better for the taobao thread or something.

>>9967446

Surface Spell has nice blouses if you can get your hands on them. Not Surface Spell gothic (the MTO one), somehow it's shittier quality than the store that makes limited quantities.

I like KL's blouses too. They're not quite as good as burando quality but they have unique colors and work well with a variety of pieces.

>>9967328

Yeah it's not like burando ever does these all around the collar ruffles.

I have pic related and it's great. You should try it sometime.

>>9967477
Ah yeah, don't ask that here, the taobao thread would help you, and you should also check out the spreadsheet.

>>9967328
I always opted for boleros and OPs until Taobao introduced a larger variety in neckline styles. I'm neutral on Taobao as a whole but I hate collars and high necks, so most lolita blouses were out of the question.

>>9967229
you're absolutely correct I am mad jealous now

I have two of these blouses and I LOVE the details on them. Have gotten so many compliments from people asking if they’re brand. https://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/detail.html?id=571337714551&abtest=10&rn=54d76fd892ef397226a97d7a7c9b8e06&sid=4a56837acdabac8e1c6c2c49e083e898

I down sized my fake boobs to fit into lolita aesthetic.

I'm debating whether or not to have the South Korea facial makeover.

>>9965496
thick fluffy socks on feet, shove your feet in there, blow a hairdryer on there until your socked feet fit.
Remove socks, put feet in.
Boom, comfy.

>>9965543
If you ever want to give that coat up....

>>9967649
Looks itchy

>>9967344
Same lol, they’re comfy for hot weather and cheap enough for me to not care that much if they get fucked up

>>9966017
>5'7
>Tall
Ah, anon. To live in your world would be so sweet.
tfw 6'0
shoe size 9
/JUST/ get to wear the cute shoes. Good feel.

>>9967349
Are you me, anon? I share the same sentiments with taobao lolita. I cant bring myself to wear taobao lolita dresses because the quality is just subpar as compared to brands. Like why am i spending so much for taobao jsks when i can get a brand jsk with better quality at the equal price off closet child or something. Taobao dresses also have wonky cuttings and sewing job i cant bring myself to love them. Tried them on once to see what i can get on budget but decided they arent worth it at all. Sold them all immediately. I rather save up to buy brands.
>tfw bf calls me a brandwhore cause he cant tell the diff between material quality and thought i was being an unreasonable elitist

>>9966325
>the people who are efamous deserve to be efamous
nayrt, and I do agree with you on the other points. However there are some amazing people I follow, but when I post them to the IG thread, I get accused of selfposting, so there's only a limited amount of exposure they get.

I actually wanted to fill my wardrobe with more elegant classic lolita, esp. because I'm in my late twenties. But then I almost always end up falling for sweet pieces and buying those. It's terrible how many cute birdy and strawberry prints are out there.

I think I'm unconciously lying to myself as to what I really want. I don't even know anymore. Still, I wish my taste was more mature.

>>9968950
>because I'm in my late twenties
How is that relevant? If you like classic, wear classic; if you like sweet, wear sweet. You don't have to force yourself to like anything just because of your age, that's ridiculous. True, many girls do move into classic or gothic when they're older but it's not expected of you and you don't have to do it if it's not what you want.

I had to duplicate my online presence before fading out my 'real' identity
I now operate under like three or four different pseudonyms.
I'm hoping to make a move to another state so I can be known only by pseudonyms.

>>9965350
Honestly, I sold all my Bodyline because I hated the quality. Perhaps it's nice for the price, but that doesn't say it's nice overall. It's still cheap crap and their best fabric felt too plasticy, and unless it had cotton lace, the lace is horribly shiny. Only their shoes are good imho.

Like, yes, it's okay for the price, but it's still bad overall. I expect people to spend some money instead of looking like cheap crap. Anyone can save up, and if they can't they have different things to worry about than wearing a frilly fashion.

>>9965495
I never did. I like feeling rich and fancy even when I'm not, and a fake doesn't do that the way a brand tag does.

>>9965720
Kinda agree, although I don't loose or gain respect on background, there is a sense of truth. One appreciates things more if they know what it's like to not have it. That includes money, and the stuff it can buy. It's just more special if it's not normal to be able to have it.

>>9965915
I don't understand why so many people are fat. Much BTSSB fit's bigger sizes already, even a bit overweight westerner can fit. Sorry, I see no reason why niche fashion brands have to gather to overweight, even when it's not obese yet...

Honestly, I'm more annoyed at their cuts having no space for breast than the general sizing. Just sew a curve in the front with the same sizing so my breast don't look squashed thanks to the boxy pattern. Even in China average cup is C, it's not a matter of market anymore...

>>9968996
Any reason for that? Do you just want to get away?

>>9969008
They're talking about shoe sizes, stop projecting fatass

>>9969133
Honestly?
I'm just done being an open book.

It's better not to play poker with an open hand, especially when losing means your social life folds like a deck of cards.

I'm nearly 30, I don't need nor want friends I can't have some implicit trust of, so why the hell would I give anyone, regardless of what small hobby we share, a foothold in my life where they can directly effect me and my happiness?

I hate pretty much all lolita brand jewelry I've seen. I think the molded plastic pieces look cheap and tacky and detract from the coords they're added to; I get that they're made to evoke the "childish" nature of the outfit but I just don't think it works. Even "nice" metal jewelry from most brands looks mid-quality tier at best, with casting errors/remnants or high porosity in the metal. I've only seen a handful of pieces I would consider wearing myself. I just don't get why a community so obsessed with quality in fabrics and lace cuts slack on this part of the outfits.

>>9969300
This is a confessions thread tho.

>>9967328
>Taobao style ruffle all around the collar blouses
>BTSSB did it
>Moitie did it
>AP did it
>Victorian Maiden did it
>Mary Magdalene did it
>Atelier Boz did it
>Atelier Pierrot did it
>Sheglit did it
>Millefleurs did it
>Meta did it
Oh, de horrors of TaoBao designers. They always seem to make up stuff that doesn't go with lolita at all. I owned multiple of those btw, and many are just as small or smaller than your average TaoBao ruffled collar.

Honestly, I don't understand why people hate TaoBao. Each store is a different designer and factory to begin with, and the only reason people hate it is because too many buy crap because it looks cute and is cheap, instead of looking at quality and fit, because many don't know how to check reviews properly, because the overal comm looses knowledge on quality and calls crap great quality, and because many itas have no taste but talk about it like they know it all and try to be special with TaoBao brands in outfits that don't even remotely work.

>>9967349
Anon from >>9969336 here.
I dislike when people use the fast fashion side too, which sadly is a big side of TaoBao nowadays. But I also dislike it when that's all people see about TaoBao, although I guess it's logic when so much of it is actually shit.

Anyways,being negative and critic isn't necessarily bad. I'm like that and I'm happy, got life going great for me. I think the depression and anxiety is more worrisome. If you're not like that and it's just a way to fend or defend yourself from your own anxiety and depression, negativity and maybe a bit of elitism is bad, but if you are like it, embrace it. Makes you more happy than feeling bad about who you are. You can't change who you are, even if it's not the nice, empathetic, caring, person who agrees with the general norms and values.

I delight in taking advantage of people's inability to take good pictures of the stuff they sell. Dresses are hard to do that with because prints are very recognizable, but with blouses people oftentimes don't bother to name them correctly or photograph them well. They'll take pictures where the blouse is all wrinkly and hanging off the hanger in a really sad way, looking like a shadow of its former self. If you're halfway decent at looking things up on lolibrary you can see what the blouse actually looks like and, since other people will be disinclined to buy because of the terrible photo, you can get great deals. A while ago I got a really good price on a blouse where someone had taken a picture with the detachable collar on backwards, making it look ridiculous. If you can't appreciate your clothes enough to take good photos you don't deserve to be paid the full price for them.

>>9969300
I love the ap plastic bangles and headbands, but I agree, they're pretty shit. That is the only "burando" i've bought accessories from, but i intend to buy some baby plastic headbands soon. I own pic related and it started falling apart a week after i bought it. A lot of the jewellery is cute as hell, but it's overpriced for what it is and I enjoy supporting etsy shops and taobao handmade stores too.

Every time I wear lolita, I feel like I'm doing it wrong. I can't tell what I'm doing wrong and I'm too chicken to ask for concrit here, but I know there must be something. Not gonna quit though, I love it too much.

>>9969336
>those millefleurs blouses
I missed one on closet child last week. Fucking heartbroken

>>9969336
I think a lot of anons who think all of taobao is the same and all their pieces are poor quality either are new, parroting other people, or don't realize that there are many brands on taobao and while it's hit or miss the quality can genuinely be really good.Either that or they hate it because they hate the people who advocate for it, for some reason. I've bought from a lot of taobao brands, and I've bought from most lolita brands. While the brands are better overall, I've been shocked with the quality of some pieces of gotten, "rose melody" and "white moon" stand out to me as being very nice.
I buy dresses because I like them and I have enough money to "risk" getting a worse quality piece. Buying only brand because you've fallen for the lie that taobao is low quality is just as stupid as only buying taobao because brand is too expensive.

>>9969360
agreed. i bought only good quality (disclaimer: but not brand quality) taobao for a long time (yolanda, krad lanrete, miss point, ista mori) and thought everyone who was ragging on taobao was just buttmad. then i saw some diamond honey and a few other brands i can't remember (but recognized from lolita updates) at a con being sold and was horrified at how terrible it was. the material was crinkly and awful, the dresses were limp and unlined, and the print was cheap.

>>9969432
>diamond honey
Oh no. I don't know what is with people liking this brand, but I think its because it caters to western trends (like edgy shit).I've never bought anything from the brand (and i won't lie, some stuff looks cute in pictures) but my friend has, and oh my god. It's so gross. The tights look okay, though, but some of them have a weird rectangle shape in the front, and I've heard many people receive it with bleeding. I wish people would stop advocating that brand but it looks like mostly conlitas who love it.
I totally agree that people should be more open to taobao and stop lumping it all together. It's good to be wary of what you buy, but something simply being sold on taobao doesn't make it bad. If you like something on taobao but aren't sure of the quality, there's usually a lot of pictures posted in the reviews that can help a lot, plus the "stupid questions" thread is super helpful. Just because it's not "brand quality" doesn't mean it isn't nice or priced fairly. there's a reason it's cheaper.
Basically please stop pretending diamond honey is the same quality as yolanda because it's on the same site reeeee

>>9969432
Look, I'm not trying to doubt your story, but I have that Devil Cat Angel Cat dress and it has lining and the fabric is soft.

Which dresses did you see? I don't even know what their other ones look like, I just enjoy cat prints.

>>9969360
No, I hate it because China doesn't have any regulations to protect workers or the environment, not to mention they use coal to power it all. Stop buying from China.

>>9969530

You are completely wrong on the second point.

>>9969533
Oh really. Do explain.

>>9969536

I see your point, but my other point still completely stands that no, they do not 'power it all with coal.'

>>9969539
Anon, please get a grip on reality.

>>9969351
I can only buy plastic style necklaces/bracelets. I'm too afraid the headbands will completely snap.

The plastic rings scare me because they aren't adjustable, and even though I'm American, I found out recently that I'm two whole ring sizes too small for them.

I can't even imagine how big the bangles are. They would probably fall off my whole hand, My wrist is only 14 cm / 5.5 in.

>>9969549

>get a grip on reality

You are ignoring a lot of real achievements the Chinese have made in green energy in the past several years. But the other part of the story is that most brands now manufacture in China. So your argument about taobao vs brand doesn't even make sense. This argument would make a lot more sense had you not been talking about Jfashion, a lot of which has shifted production to China anyways. The only difference between taobao and brand these days often is quality control in the individual factories.

>>9969575
Ah i never bought a brand ring but yeah, rings you can't adjust are terrible. I have small fingers too, so I couldn't justify it.
In regards to headbands snapping, I take especially good care of them because i'm anxious about it, but I don't really know when I'd snap them unless I put something heavy on them. Still, the irrational anxiety lives on. Also, Small wrists are a good thing! I think that means your frame is smaller. The bangles are also pretty small, but I don't know if they'd suit your size. I think so though, but who knows. It's not really worth risking since they're pretty overpriced, but if you make a big order from japan I'd say buy a cheap one with it. i've seen them posted for like 500yen including shipping.

>>9969599
I think one day I might order a cheap bangle just to see. I really wish AP would release inner circumference sizes so I could at least guess if it would fit me.

And you assume correctly - I have a small frame, although I'm mildly tall. I was for sure the rings would fit me because asian hands would be smaller than some american mutt, right? Guess I'm wrong.

I'm careful with my items as well. Like you mentioned, the added stress would just kill me. Plastics also get brittle over time, so I just try to stay away from plastic that would need to flex. (This is also way I refuse to buy pleather bags)

>>9969360
>buying only brand because taobao is low quality is stupid
How? Brand is always going to have it's reputation above taobao, no matter what. It's never even a stupid decision to blindly buy brand in comparison to taobao. Why do you think lucky packs do so well?

>>9969533
China is both a workers nightmare and ecological disaster. You must be fucking stupid to think it's pushing the limits like some first world country with strict regulations.

>>9967349
>>9968869
Your bfs sound ita

>>9968950
I know this feel. I do love classic lolita and 80% of my inspiration folder is classic yet when it comes to actually buying stuff I always gravitate towards sweet. It sucks because classic looks 10x better on me and I don’t feel nearly as confident in sweet. Why do I keep buying it?

I hate it when people screech about how brands should make multiple dress sizes.

Just get over it. Brands don't have to cater to you and your "consumer vote."

It's never going to happen.

It's better this way.

>>9969670
>It's never going to happen.
It has happened, IW still does it and Baby tried it once but they stopped because no one would buy the larger sizes.
I feel like girls who cry about brand sizing only want to complain, they have no real intention (or budget) to actually buy anything, they just want to bitch and cry and play victim.

>>9969679
This is true, plus they usually have no idea how much work it is to alter patterns for fat bodies or large busts. It’s not as simple as just sizing everything up, often bodice blocks need to be re-done completely. When VM came out with shirred pieces meant to accommodate larger measurements they cried because they wanted VM’s classic fitted A-line cuts in their size, but those cuts don’t work on a body without a defined waist. When VM made their closing announcement so many fat girls in my comm made passive-aggressive comments about how they wouldn’t have gone under if they’d accommodated bigger sizing because they’d totally have bought from VM then, but the majority of these girls only wore sugary sweet AP. Who are they trying to kid?

>>9969432
Those brands you name are still mid tier in quality. Miss Point really went back hill and is low tier.

>>9969360
Agreed, next to that still feel many people don't even really consider quality or know to little to actually care about it. I feel most just scream "quality" because others do.

>>9969655
Actually the big brands have declines in quality, and have had huge issues as well. Blindly buying is stupid. Brand will always be more popular for it's history and reputation, and most of it is good. But to act like it's always amazing is just as dumb as acting like TaoBao is always bad. Gotta agree with >>9969360 on that.

>>9969530
Honestly, this is the first time I hear that reasoning. If that's your reason not to buy I can respect that. But know that China also has high end designers and workers who are well paid working in good conditions. Just because negative happens and are big, doesn't say it's like that all the time. Many TaoBao brands are small designers by one or two people. Some let the sewing be done by factories, but I also know some do it themselves. Altrough I can understand it's a lot of work to try to find out who does business what way, and it's easier and saver to not buy.

I take it you also don't buy AP then, and check the history of brand items, since they outsource factory work to poor countries? AP goes to even worse places than China by now. And ofcourse you know the "made in" tag is useless as one could make an entire garment in a cheap country with bad conditions, then send it to a nice country, finish the last few bits, and call it "made in [nice country]"?

>>9969670
I'm annoyed because I don't think your bigger than average size is their problem. Most of the time it's your own fault for being that big, and when it isn't, you gotta deal with the fact it's not a healthy weight and most people aren't going to change their business for your medical problems.

I'm kinda done with people trying to make others change so they don't have to work on their problems. And I'm done with people crying about how unfair things are about their problems but they're too lazy to do something with it (like buying the bigger sizes, or loosing weight).

>>9969689
Agreed. I don’t think fat people don’t deserve clothes because of course they do, but if you’re so large that you can’t fit brands like AP then imo losing weight should be a priority over wearing lolita, for your own sake. In the long run it’s so much better for your happiness to get to a healthy weight and wear offbrand clothes in the meantime, than to stay obese and spend $200 on brand (because these items would have to be bought new) for temporary satisfaction. People need to stop acting like it’s impossible to lose weight. Everyone I know who put real effort into losing weight was able to do so, but many people give up too soon or “cheat” too often with sugary foods or drinks. There’s one girl in my comm who lost almost a hundred pounds through exercise and cutting out refined sugars from her diet. But every time she tells her story, someone cuts in with “well just because it was possible for you doesn’t mean it’s possible for anyone else” which is such bullshit. It’s possible for everyone. Not easy, but possible. People have been hassling brands for XXL sizes for years. If they had used those years to exercise and learn healthy meal prep they wouldn’t have needed those XXL sizes anymore by now.

>>9968950
>>9969668
Thirding this feel. I want to own lots of classic so that I can wear my lolita clothes to work (office job). While I own more IW than anything else, I still have a bunch of AP/Baby. I'm not a fan of pastels and sweet prints, but I love dresses like Dreamy Jewel, HL, and all the cutsew OPs from AP/Baby just get me right in the fashion feels.

>>9966013
I'm 1,80 and wear a 245. My sister is much short and wears a 280. Difference, she's fat.

Not saying length doesn't matter, or being fat is the only reason people need bigger shoes. But as a tall woman I'm often looking strange at WTF so many people need such a big shoes as well, especially when they aren't fat. How do they have such a big feet?

>>9966183
>>9965943
>AP uses the same "factory" as oo jia
No one said this. I have read that tread. It was the Factory that made BTSSB that screwed BTSSB over by using the pattern given because they where hired to make them, buy more fabric than needed, make more dresses, write it off as "below quality" even tho they are fine, then sell said dresses themselves.

Unless I somewhere missed a tread that people did say it was the same factory as Oo Jiaa. In that case I apologise. I only know of the one time factory replica story, which is a one time happening. 99% of the replica's are still crap.

>>9969754
Weight can affect shoe size only a little, and even if it's more of the width issue.
Taller people usually have bigger sizes, but it's not always like that. Height isn't directly linked to shoe size.

>>9969700
This. You deserve clothes (heck I don't even want to think about all obese people being naked), but you don't deserve every piece of clothes you wish to be made for you just because you want it, unless you have the money to custom order anything you wish no mater who has to make it. Richfags have more options, but they actually pay for it so fine. If you really want to wear lolita so badly, you'll put the effort in to loose weight instead of cry about not fitting it. The crying is annoying and doesn't solve anything, and if you say anything about it, they just cry harder shouting "fatshaming". It shouldn't be hard to understand the world doesn't resolve after you and doesn't need to gather to you because you want them too...

>>9969759
True. My sister needs to buy bigger sizes mainly for width and space on top of the feet.

But still, it doesn't seem that related to length indeed. I know a lot of tall people with my size of foot. I wonder how so many lolita's can't find fitting shoes. I often hear length as the reason, but most tall people I know still fit Japanese L. There is still the LL option left. What is causes the big feets so often that they can't fit any of the shoes available? It's not height, it's not weight, so I'm really confused how so many people can't fit shoes...

>>9969754
>>9969766
Are you retarded? Genes are the reason why people have big feet, it's that fucking simple. Same reason some dudes have big dicks and others don't, or why some people have green eyes and others don't.

>but muh sister
Just because you're related doesn't mean you got the exact same mix of genes from your parents, that's not how genes work

>>9969771
I know what. I'm not retarded. I just haven't met many people who actually have big feet. I hear tons of excuses about weight and height which is bullshit, but I also hear a lot of complaints about big feet and not fitting any brand, while I rarely meet people with sizes that wouldn't fit at least LL shoes.

Let me say my confusion more clearly: How comes so many lolita's have big feet compared to any other group of people I hang out with? What draws big feeted people so often to lolita? I doubt big feet genes are increasing the likeliness of getting into lolita fashion...

>>9969351
Anon please drop the names/links of the stores. I need some jewellery to go with some ott sweet coords I'm planning for the next meets I attend and I'm not paying AP prices for Claire's quality.

>>9968763
>I'm debating whether or not to have the South Korea facial makeover.
If you're not already East Asian, I'd think very carefully on this. Korean surgeons do great work, but they really only have one type of look, and if it doesn't suit your face, everyone can immediately tell you had work done.

>>9969771
While it's true genes give a baseline for shoe size, the fatter you get the more your foot size goes up. It's not like your feet are magically exempt from weight gain

>>9968763
>>9969783
This. I saw some Westeners look really strange. If you don't look very Asian, be careful. Otherwise, go for it. If I was Asian I would get it. They look great. even when it's fake.

>>9969679
>they have no real intention (or budget) to actually buy anything
The number of people that whine about a brand's decisions when they aren't even part of the consumer base is unreal. Strictly sweet lolitas whining about Moitié using real leather, people who only buy secondhand bitching about AP/Baby being too small, the list goes on. If you want your voice to be heard, maybe try actually giving the brand your money. This goes double for the people that never buy new; why would a brand cater to you when they're not even getting your money directly?

>>9969787
Width-wise, sure, but you don't really have fat deposits in places that would make any difference to the length of your feet. The post quoted above states a shoe size "280", which I'm assuming is foot length in millimeters.

>>9969668
>Your bfs sound ita
Yes he is, when we met he was linking me stull from Neverland/Sufflesong and just couldn't grasp what was wrong with the stuff even though I made comparisions and explanations to him.

>>9969346
Sorry I meant the fast fashion mentality, not whole Taobao. I'm fine with good quality Taobao brands that put out indipendent designs even though they are not my cup of tea.

>You can't change who you are, even if it's not the nice, empathetic, caring, person who agrees with the general norms and values
Idk about the first one but I'm definitely caring and emphatetic. I meant I generally focus on too much nitpicking coords (in my own mind) rather than enjoying them. I'm don't say negative things to people but I tend to pay attention to the negative things more. But I started to only think about it after my bf complained I only start convertsations to critique something let it be politics or something else. On the other hand I'm fairly sure he doesn't listen to me that often so. Back to lolita, I would, for example, love to comment more on people's pics and focus on positivity that way but I'm just too afraid to do it. Well, I'm getting treatment so maybe in the future I'm able to spread more positivity.

>>9969799
Personally, I'm critic, skeptic and I do nitpick many things as wel, and I'm also a bit elitistic. I think it's good, but you gotta take people not always liking it. In fashion, it shows you pay attention to detail which is important to make a great outfit.

What I said is only about if it counts for you. If you're feeling bad about nitpicking and being critic, it's either you're using it to escape from/not think about problems and you're more positive and therefore feel guilty acting like this, or you're more critic and hash than you think you're supposed to be. The first case getting help and fixing problems will finish the whole issue, but if you're like me and you're just not the always positive person, then it's best to not try to be because it just makes you unhappy to adapt to niceness all the time. Some people hate my critism, but others love it. See it on the other side, when I'm positive, at least they know I mean it deeply because I'm so critic and harsh. When I tell someone I care they know it's important because I'm not that empathetic normally. To my close friends, I'm often know as one of the most understanding and empathethic people, even trough I don't give shit about most others. Just because I'm honest and there when I tell them I will be. It's not a bad thing, the only bad part is if you feel bad because you are expected to be more "nice", but it's better to just accept your personality than feel bad about it. Never the less, there is nothing wrong with being nice either, it's just about what your personality naturally is.

>>9969799
The thing is a lot of people, at least in my experience, talk like the first option is the only one, and like you're a horrible person if it's the second one, or like you still have lots of problems. But trying to be more nice in the second case just makes things worse for you. Get my drift? Take care of yourself in whatever way is best for you, not what others tell you is best, especially not random people who don't know a thing about psychology.

Never the less, getting help is good. No matter what it is, treatment will help you feel better hopefully, and help you figure out what to do.

>>9969798
Plus, I feel like weight gain would only affect your feet if you were extremely obese. At that point, lolita isn't for you regardless and there's only certain types of shoes that will be comfortable because of your excess weight.

>>9969798
It affects both. There's a reason you see fat girls having sizes 9+. Fat girl brands that put out shoes often don't have shoes under a size 8 too.

>>9969818
You are really ignorant of the way the human body works. If you gain or lose weight it impacts your body. A lot of anorexics report having gone down a shoe size or two when they lose weight.

>>9969700
It's also easier to lose weight the more overweight you are. If they are so big they really can't fit any dresses, they could probably lose a decent amount of weight with just some effort.

>>9969816
>>9969817
Thank you anons, this made me view things a bit more differently.

>>9967127
>I eat a lot of curry/noodles/spaghetti which doesn't help.
I mean so do I. The trick is to eat like a lady, not like a pig. Just practice (obviously in normie clothing first) until you can manage to not eat so messily. You're making yourself sad here. Some people love just collecting lolita and not wearing it, but I don't think you're that type of person. I think you're holding yourself back because of a fear that isn't even that big of a deal. These aren't some couture dresses with hand sewn everything that must only be washed by being patted down using silk hankies soaked in the tears of angels. Lolita dresses are simple printed cotton, polyester, and blend fabric dresses that can easily be cleaned. You can even take your dresses to be dry cleaned if you don't trust yourself!

>>9969668
Yeah, classic looks better on me too, but I can't seem to help it. I've got another two sweet dresses in the mail soon.
But well, it's good to know I'm not the only one with that knack though.

>>9969655
>Buying only brand because you've fallen for the lie that taobao is low quality
did you not read the full sentence? It's not true all taobao is bad, if you like a taobao piece but refuse to buy it because everyone else whines "all taobao is bad!" then you're not doing enough research.

>>9969757
People used to say that a lot on oo jia's page and on LJ

One of my comm mod has a shoplifting problem.
I know she feels bad about it,had something awful happen to her recently, and is trying to quit it but sometimes i kinda wanna post her just to get juicy drama.

When people I don't like or don't care about ask me where I get my lolita stuff, I give really vague answers because I don't want them to buy pieces I like.

I'm not going to give away free knowledge when I spent years finding these places myself.

>>9970192
i like it when people i dislike own the same things as me because i look better in them

>>9969352
slap a sticker on your face and post it. if you’re not e-famous nobody will even know or care to find out who you are. asking for concrit isn’t as terrifying as it seems, I’ve done it here before and received some great advice that helped me improve.

While I respect what Mana-sama has done for the fashion, him as a person and his fans really get on my nerves. I feel like I can't admit this off anon because both lolitas and visual kei fans seem to worship him while I just really never cared about him even as a member of malice mizer, only thing I like about him is moitie.

>>9970137
Post her.

>>9969867
Those are both me. It just didn't fit in one comment. Maybe I should've mentioned it, thought it was clear.

>>9970073
I see. I never cared enough about replica's to read such pages. That's stupid indeed. They are obviously lower quality and look different. I've seen an Oo Jia mary magdalene replica. It's thin t-shirt fabric, and looked quite worn and frumpy. If that's the same factory, then they have a line of low and high quality stuff that's separated, for separated items. And the factory line is more important than the factory building or brand/name/company/whatever you call it.

>>9970325
>only thing I like about him is moitie
I feel this way too, and I wear gothic. I don't like visual kei, and I don't really see the use in always being silent, having others talk to you. It just seems like a stupid "look at me being edgy" act. He kinda feels fake. He looks good in pictures, but if you put another model there I wouldn't care much. I more like the overall photo than I necessarily like him.

Moitie is the only mana thing I really like in itself, but considering they have more designers nowadays, I wonder how much he really does for it, or if he just slaps his name on it? I'm not a huge fan of resent releases anyways, but there are some amazing ones in his collection for sure, and ofcourse a lot of history that made gothic lolita big, which I respect.

>>9969777
You're not retarded? Because you're asking some retarded questions. Awesome that you live in the land of tiny foot people but not everyone is that lucky. And I very much doubt that there is any correlation between shoe size and liking lolita.

>>9969759
Weight can effect shoe size a lot. I dropped 20 lb and went down 2 sizes.

man, am I the only one who really doesn't like cowbuttcrunchie's venusaur design? the wig is really nice of course but the dress really is uninspired and boring ass hell. just looks like a prom dress someone slapped a bunch of tacky appliques on.

>>9969645
I have a lot of AP rings and they are pretty small, around size 5. I have a couple that are smaller but not many bigger and the bigger ones are maybe 5.5 to 6 at most

The bangles I have on the other hand are annoyingly large

>>9969824
Pregnancy made this really bad for me at the end, I could still wear my work shoes but my lolita shoes didn't fit for a few months

>>9970192
>Where'd you get that
>Japan

Awkward silence... Every time kek

>>9969766
What are you even talking about? LL is only a size 8 which is considered average in western countries. Tons of people have feet larger than that.

I like it when normies associate me with Alice in Wonderland. Every now and then someone comments on the fact I remind them of Alice and then asks about what I'm wearing, which makes explaining the fashion a lot easier... and it gives me the warm fuzzies.

>>9973585
LL is a size 9. Japanese L can usually fit up to an 8-8.5

>>9971266
It looks more like ivysaur

>>9967098
I had the same experience and left to enjoy my hobby alone for myself. Not to mention the shit talking online and how people want to dig up every detail of your life and pick you apart.

Being popular online isn't all flowers and roses.

>>9973651
Depends on the brand honestly. Most LL's I've seen are 8-8.5

>>9974289
What brand? I wear size 8 and strongly prefer L to LL in BTSSB, AATP, AP, and Meta. Sold all my LL shoes except two pairs of Meta that are just a little too big. The Baby/ Pirates shoes are unwearable for me in LL

>>9973483
But was that just because of weight gain? I would have guessed it would be because of swelling, or those cases where your feet permanently grow during pregnancy (which sounds absolutely horrifying for those with already big feet).

Look, if I could make my foot size go down by losing weight, I would. I'm pretty small and petite everywhere except for my feet. They're all bones but have a ridiculous toe length and overall foot length, like some kind of goblin. Sometimes I just want to cut off my toes and heels so I can wear nice shoes, ugly stepsister style.

>>9974302
Yosukes namely, but a lot of other non lolita JP brands are the same.

>>9973675
whoops, you're right
still plain as fuck prom dress design though

>>9974354
I've seen even the brands change what this means (like for platform shoes the sizes are 0.5cm larger for AP so I had to size down compared to their tea parties).

I fucking HATE Gemgem on Lacemarket. She pounces on all my favorite items on mercari then tries to pawn them off on LM for 3 times the price. Every single time, it's something I would have purchased myself. But because I live in the real world and work full time, I don't have the time to just sit in front of the computer to watch for special auctions on mercari all day. Shit is fucked up and selfish and low.

Haven't been on here in awhile.
What are ways I can make money outside of my part time job that I can make money for costumes?
My budget has been getting tighter. Amazon turk takes way too long for the payout.
I know I could take a break and focus on other things but I feel like this is the prime time of my life to cosplay. I love it and it would be heart breaking to not have my hobby to come home to.

>>9973651
Sizes like L are confection based on the market they sell to. Even between brands they can differ, if the brand feels their customers have different sizes. There is no measuring confection sizes other than if they have actual measurements listed

>>9975883
I know, right?
I've seen a bunch of things on LM by either gemgem or rainies I would've bought if just anyone else but those cunts were the ones to sell it.

>>9975883
>>9975894
They both should be banned. LM mods are terrible.

>>9975921
Seriously, those bitches seriously have zero shame. That and people like chestnutlili that buy wunderwelt listings to resell in the same damaged condition for a markup.

>>9975921
I feel like someone is going to do something about that soon. Did you know rainies and gemgem were victims of a data breach not too long ago?

>>9975921
I feel like someone is going to do something about that soon.

>>9975941
Source?

>>9975960
Just a feel anon :^)

>>9975961
so nothing.
lm mods are literally useless anyways.

>>9969300
I feel the same about brand bags and shoes. I fucking hate pleather and I sure as hell am not gonna pay those prices for something that will eventually peel.
>>9975941
I hope you're right

How do you buy from mercari? Do they use the japanese version? I didn't know this app until now. I was always wondering why they have so many stuff.

>>9976703
>>9975740

I am really sick of menhera. It was interesting when it first started but it became annoying seeing everyone hop on the edgy tween bandwagon. It just doesn't mean the same thing in the western context as it does in the Japanese context, so it comes off as very juvenile new emo, look at me, so edgy. Especially when those people are older.

>>9965282
I lurk on here all the time and partly wanna try this whole EGL thing out but it seems like a really huge investment and I don't want to make any mistakes.

>>9976925
I agree. I follow the facebook group thinking i was going to see something interesting at first, but all i can say is yikes.

>>9981180
If you do your research, it won't be a huge investment and you won't make any major mistakes. If you're not new to buying clothes online, especially in Asian sizing, you may not make any mistakes at all. That said, mistakes are a part of the process, they're kind of inevitable and you can do better when you learn from them.
Just do your research, there are plenty of resources for newbies that can help you, and don't worry too much about making mistakes, they're not a death sentence by any means.

>>9981180

A secondhand brand dress will run you $100-200, handbags roughly the same (depending on whether you go the cheap taobao route), shoes and accessories together the same again. Petticoats around $50. So maybe $350 for your first outfit, second one will probably be $100-200 because you'll reuse items from your first outfit.

If you're looking at this money and thinking it's better spent on not being hungry and homeless then yeah, don't do it. There's more expensive hobbies out there, but it's not a cheap hobby either.

If you're just worried you'll buy the wrong things, don't sweat it so much. Stick to sets and conventional colours and you'll rarely get it wrong.

I wear classic and gothic and I find it hard to even acknowledge sweet as the same fashion. Don't get me wrong, I love sweet. I'm not one of those "sweet is degenerate" types. It just looks so different to me that I can't really understand why we're the same fashion. There is very little crossover between sweet and gothic, too... Sweets and goths can both cross over into classic in different ways, but in the end they are two very distant ends of a spectrum.

>>9981995
I think it's just the silouette that holds them together.

>>9981733
Yes. This.
>>9981180
The more reaserch you do, the more savy your spending will become. You can easily find dresses on ww (which sometimes offers free int. shipping for promotions) LM and Tokyo Alice for under 100$. If you're lucky enough to live in a town with a good second hand market, you can find suitable blouses for even cheaper. I once purchaced 3 blouses from a niche shop in Barcelona on a crazy sale for 5 euros each.
But I can't stress this enough: do your reaserch first. If you want to prioritize saving money, then you have to accept the fact that your first coord will be built very slowly. I'd say you could shave off some $ and even manage to make your first coord ~200$ (dependent on the style ofc, solids and oldschool is usually cheaper) but I wouldn't go less than that.

>>9981995
I feel this a lot too, especially when normies ask us about our clothes at a meetup and a girl in a hot pink dress and a lollipop in her wig jumps in to say that the style is based on Victorian fashion. Most people then look at me, then at the girls in sweet, then back at me, like
>???
and I don’t blame them. I do like sweet (on other people) but if our styles diverged into completely separate fashions I’d be cool with that, too.

I just wish i could discuss muh kink and lolita with a group of (willing) friends that take par in the same lfiestyle.

Not ddlg if you're wondering,but my relationship revolves around it partially so it's kind of a lifestyle thing (that i take care of hiding properly as i'm mortified at the idea of someone knowing even though it's very tame) and since I happen to wear lolita quite often as well,the two can "clash" (i obviously never wear a collar or something of the sort with it,but my SO wishes i did,but i obviously absolutely refused).

>>9982121
How about you keep your sex life contained in your bedroom and don't bring it to places where it doesn't belong like a fucking fashion community? It's not difficult.

>>9982121
Half of rufflechat loves preaching about their kinks all the time, just like you. Talk to them. I don't even get how people talk about their sex life. You just... do it? And you obviously have a partner, so you can talk with them about it. Why does it have to be lolitas?

>>9982132
>say i don't wanna bring it out
>keep it in your bedroom!1!
Reading comprehension,anon. I was speaking of having a restrained group of friends to chat about both without mixing them together.

>>9982134
Dear god no, i don't want anything to do with rufflechat kinksters. As said previously i only want a small group of friends to share my struggles with,as having both lolita and bdsm as a lifestyle can get tricky especially since one of them must stay indoors for obvious reasons

>>9982195
I also am not "preaching" it. Dear lord,you gulls need to get that sand out of your vagina.

>>9982195
Why do you feel the need to talk about your sex life at all? Who do you think would honestly give a shit about it, other than your s/o?

>>9981995
bittersweet is a thing, you know, right...?

>>9982207
"Bittersweet" is a label that someone on LJ made up to refer to sweet coords in black, it's not an actual thing.

>>9982207
Any gothic lolita worth her salt can tell you that sweet in the black colourway doesn't actually look like gothic at all

>>9982203
Why do you talk about lolita at all? What's the point if you're just wearing it because you like it?

>>9982195
I'd vote for going through the kink route for people to talk to about it, but munches suck and no one I've met seems to understand the fashion is a separate thing if I show up to an event/meet/coffee wearing it if kink is the subject of conversation.

>>9982239
>comparing a fashion subculture for sex
I hope you did your warmups before your reached that far.

>>9982259
Ok, I see you want a real answer then.

A lot of people talk about who is trustworthy/not, what artists to follow or products are worth buying, some people will talk about specifics, or go into full detail but most people discuss culture the same as you would for any hobby.
Maybe you just don't see it that way, but lolita and kink are both subcultures, and therefore comparing them is possible and relevant.

I would also like to have a place to talk to other lolitas that are into kink, because then I don't have to talk about how the fashion is unrelated every time with people that I have to interact with in order to discuss kink culture.

I've also stopped having any connection between the two and to my real life because lolitas here have said they look for others in the community expressly to out them.

>>9982121

>>9982121
sounds a bit like consensual discipline relationship

not into it myself, but don't give too much of a shit about the other anons opinions.

not the anon that started this, but i think its unfair to judge the kink lolita so quickly.

Sure this is a fashion board, but
>>9982121 is just a lolita writing a confession in the confession thread.

On one hand lolitas fight for tolerance towards their niche hobby/lifestyle, on the other hand they attack other people with niche hobbies/lifestyles without thinking.
(and yes, as far as I've read up on the topic once bdsm can be a lifestyle toonot just a kink)

just think a little about it.

girls like spiro and the girl people are being rude about in the ita thread make me want to lose weight and be as skinny as them but i cant stop eating
ive tried before and i can't do it
knowing ill never be a perfectly skinny lolita makes me want to hurt myself
at least i can do that

>>9982880
If you can fit into brand well, you're fine for lolita. It's not worth ruining your life and body to look like some silly frilly clothes are too big for you.

>>9982203
ntayrt but my normie friends talk about their sex lives all the time? It's pretty common unless you're a pure lolita apparently.

>>9982134
>Why does it have to be lolitas?
It's nice to be able to share a hobby with someone and be able to talk about personal stuff... but that requires real friendship which doesn't seem like an actual thing from what I've witnessed over the years.

>>9982211
How is it not a thing if someone made up the term and people still use it?

>>9982132
I don't get it either. I've never really felt inclined to discuss my sex life with anyone. Except when I didn't have one I guess.

>>9982951
>Except when I didn't have one I guess
that says a lot about you, doesn't it?

>>9982932
actual friendship exists. I always hear people say that it doesn't or women can't be friends. It's not true, and if you have problems making and keeping friends, you're likely the problem.

>>9982997
>women can't be friends
Soo... I never said anything relating to that.

I was talking about JUST within lolita comms. The girls I see who claim to be friends and then talk shit about each other - that's not a real friendship.

>>9982932
Speak for yourself. I don't shit on my friends.

>>9983000
that's not true either. I think you're just clouded by /cgl/, or you're biased from your own experiences. If you can't make friends you're either ita or terrible to be around

>>9982935
it's not a proper substyle, just a quick descriptor. it's really useful on social media because it's easier to search for and tag #bittersweet or #bittersweetlolita than it is with #sweetcoordinblackcolorway

>>9983004
>>9983012
I'm not talking about myself but what I have seen? I have friends but not in lolita.

I would say they are more than acquaintances but not people I would say are good friends. It's not like I hate them or have a problem with them but I know of the drama within my comm.

My best friend and I wear lolita together every once in a while, and even though I dont wear it often I really love the way I look, but god my friend is TERRIBLE at taking pictures. They always end up blurry and at weird angles. So unless I find a mirror it's almost impossible to get a good outfit shot of myself when we go out.

>>9983019
That wasn't the argument though, it was being said that's not really a thing but it is. Lots of people participate in using it and dressing that way.

Gulls just love to live in denial.

>>9981995
I think that sweet sometimes crosses over with gothic. There's a girl in my comm who mostly wears black AP, but she can mix in actual gothic like sheglit or the bat purse without it looking weird. I think it's just rare for someone to like wearing both sweet and gothic.

Tbdesu I'm a gothic/classic lolita and I get kind of embarrassed sometimes to be seen with sweet lolitas, so I wouldn't mind if they WERE different fashions.

>>9982971
Have you had a sex life for every minute of your life since you were sexually active? Maybe you did but i don't think it's that common, I think it's probably stranger if you have.

>>9983029
I feel personally attacked

One of my biggest reasons and motivations for wanting to git gud at drawing is so that I can earn some extra burando cash with commissions. I don't care if I have to draw furry porn or weird disgusting fetishes to make the maximum profit.

I online shoplifted a few times for cheap lolita items from chinese sellers (few accessories and even a pair of shoes and a blouse).
I feel bad about it. I'm disgusted with myself.
I used to shoplift IRL,got caught,and obviously stopped and it just calmed me down especially since I became an adult which would mean worse consequences than if i was a teen.
But this addiction of mine is coming back and I need help but i'm too scared to tell anyone.

>>9983586
How do you even online shoplift? Just curious I've never heard of it before.

>>9983586

She probably means she shop lifted a few ita looking and overpriced accessories from the chinese gift store downtown.

>>9983629

Oops, meant to reply to >>9983627.

>>9983633
It's all good. And lmao, probably. Shoplifting is not kawaii so it makes sense she would be stealing ita shit lmao.

>>9983627
>>9983629
>>9983641
You claim you didn't receive the item or got it damaged,edit pictures with photoshop to add stains and the likes of it on the picture,send it,then profit.

I low key enjoy the weight wank

>>9983649
Honestly with the price of shit on Ali I never do charge backs or disputes. I expect it to look like shit and then am surprised when it's okay enough to use. The one time I would think it's okay is when you don't know it's a Chinese seller, like you think it's a real webshop but they are really just a forwarder who don't disclose it. So you pay 10x more expecting name brand goods and get Chinese trash, that's when I think it's morally okay to do a chargeback

>>9984102
>I never do charge backs or disputes.
You don't have to take it that far actually, just read up on policies for different sites, most have loopholes you can cash in on.

There's also reddit groups and stuff that give advice for shit like this.

>>9983845
What's the weight wank?

>>9984129
Read other threads.

>>9983586
You probably have some issues cropping up in your life that's putting you into that frame of mind.
Don't let toxic people or situations drive you to bad decisions anon, you're not a victim of circumstances if you're an adult enough to realize what's going on.

>>9981995
>>9983357
A big part of the reason I’m salty towards sweet is because it attracts all the annoying immature people. Every ageplayer, every sissy, every furry, every vlogger thirsty for efame, every oversensitive cosplayer and every obnoxious weeb I’ve met joined our comm because they were into sweet. Some of them branched out into other substyles at some point but they were all initially attracted by sweet. If sweet lolita were separate the rest of us wouldn’t have to deal with these people nearly as often, nor would we have literal children or people with intellectual disabilities join our comm because they think we’re a Disney princess or MLP dressup group. I know it sounds harsh but I joined a fashion community because I wanted to meet other people into the same fashion, not be surrounded by people who never emotionally matured past childhood. I’d miss the handful of normal and well dressed sweet lolitas I’ve come to know but overall, detaching from sweet and treating it as a completely separate fashion would greatly improve my overall community experience.