/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

There's always photographers trying to make a quick buck at cons. I wish the cons I went to would implement this so there wouldn't be entitled assholes harassing people into getting pics taken "professionally"

So many photogs are skeevy, hopefully this will help curve that. Good on AWA.

>>9938265
how would they catch people charging for photos that don't have that badge?

>>9938333
Look for photogs with large camera setups and ask them to show their badge or leave. Honestly I support it since artists and cosplayers have to pay for badges, passes, and tables at every convention. I don't see why photographers who walk around and charge out the ass for shoots shouldn't have to buy a pass

>say you're not charging for this shoot
>keep on not giving a fuck

>>9938360
>Oh no sir, I just brought my 5 thousand dollar camera I happen to own and staked out a section if the venue for fun, no shoot here
They're not that stupid you know

>>9938692
Some people do shoots just for fun though. I've had a photographer with a really nice setup do a shoot for me for free and I've seen other photographers offering free shoots for people.

>>9938692

Some photogs just have nice cameras cuz they can afford an expensive hobby and share it with other people without asking for money back.

Just ask all of California.

>>9938940
>>9939097
those people would still probably be charged for taking up con space with an expensive setup of camera and lighting.
honestly I think it's good, the photogs who carry around lighting and shit and try to rope off areas at a con annoy the hell out of me

>>9939111
Except all the photoshoots by photogs don't happen in the convention center or hotel. They happen in the nearby park which is public property and can't be claimed as "convention space". The convention center itself is horrible for photos.

>>9938360
Meh, I have an expensive camera for my business unrelated to cosplay, but I bring it to cons and do photoshoots with people for free. I just ask them to tag me.

>>9938692
Meh, I have an expensive camera for my business unrelated to cosplay, but I bring it to cons and do photoshoots with people for free. I just ask them to tag me.

OP is mad because he is the exact neckbeard creeptographer that this will catch. Then when he cant get a badge at future cons, he will have to explain why he is ghosting.

>>9938265
Can you provide a screenshot of said crew saying women shouldn't carry protection or are you just the same fuck that says the same thing every AWA and Momocon thread?

>>9939221
Then why are the majority of the ones bitching have the majority of their portfolios filled with hotel room boudoir shots and inside the building?

>>9939313
who is going to catch the hotel room guys? gonna have random checks by con staff?

OPEN UP! YOU'RE NOT CHARGING FOR PHOTOS ARE YOU, RIGHT?

>>9939369
It's pretty easy to see who's lugging around heavy lighting and camera equipment anon, indoor lighting is shit so if you're going to do a budoir shot, you're going to need some lights.

>>9939369
I mean, photographers are dumb enough to post themselves jumping on people's box trucks.

Are people here seriously not aware of the guys with big camera setups that shoot for free? The catch is that they only shoot who/what they want, but unless AWA bans camera equipment for non-photographer passholders I don't see the point. There's also terrible photographers with no equipment that try to sell photoshoots, so good luck enforcing all of that.

>>9939530
>for free

Lol okay. That's why every person who claims they are "free" have been caught selling slots already. Sorry I'm not a double D skintight wearing cosplayer with over 10k likes, so my photoshoots are not free. Fuckers think they are sly but are publicly posting their rates. I hope pigs burn for how you treat cosplayers and only give free shoots to immediate gratification eye candy or ones that can go in your personal fap folders.

>>9939549
How is that behavior different than anywhere IRL?
Pretty and/or famous people get favors normalfags don't, that's just a fact of life.

>>9939530
They could pretty easily require special passes to have more than basic camera equipment.
If you're bringing a 3k DSLR and 500+ dollar lenses to a con you can afford 20-50 dollars to account for the fact that you take up extra space with your shoots and equipment.

>>9939503
>>9939369
>>9939313
If you're in someone's private hotel room, the con can't say shit. You're not in their rented space.

>>9939586
That's a lie anon, the hotel can tell you to get out. Even if you have a room, if you're causing issues for the convention they can ask the hotel to kick you out and most hotels will do it no questions asked.

>>9939549
*snap*

>>9938288
>harassing
those facebook posts are just sooooo damn annoying, aren't they?

>>9939619
I meant at the con when you're walking around

>>9939620
wow america must really suck then, because in canada this happens literally n e v e r.
e v e r.

>>9938265
Interesting to see negative pushback to a registered photographer system, even when moving to something like this was literally discussed on cgl in photographer threads a few months ago with people generally in favor of the system. Although in fairness at the time it was pointed out this would work better on the west coast than the east coast (since paid photography culture is already ingrained into eastern cons in a way it isn't at western cons).

The idea, while not stated here, is to create a safe resource so girls aren't going weird places with unqualified strangers who bought a DSLR to get close to cute girls or underage girls.

>>9939627
The hilarious part is how they say they'll censor photogs who don't want to give them money from advertising.
Here's hoping there's an "Unofficial Anime Weekend Atlanta" group that isn't so oppressive towards hobbyists and fans.
There's no reason for it to be 110$ other than "gib moneys to con plz" and trying to frame it as protecting young girls is just sad.
Especially considering probably 90% of those photographers who are actually pro won't even set foot into the building or go to a single panel or event or anything.
Comparing a photographer doing appointments with individuals to a vendor who can work on stuff all year that sets up shop and sells as much as humanly possible is so disingenuous I don't even know where to start.

>>9939638
>muh oppression
>Pays 400 dollars for a VIP badge at AX
>barely uses it

You're cute.

>>9939643
I've never attended AX. You must have me confused with somebody else

>>9939593
A private photoshoot that's not in the con's space isn't "causing issues" for them. It's not like they can say you need a con badge to get into a hotel room.
I'm sure if you were doing something like partying or had been harassing people or something, and the con asked the hotel to kick you out, sure. But taking photos and minding their own business? That would be bad business sense on the hotel's part.

>>9939097
California is "special" and not in a good way. Photographers should be paid for their services, and the fact that there are so many who would undermine you with free shoots is terrible.

I will never do a California convention again until they learn the value of photographic skill.

>>9939638
> Comparing professionals who use the event to draw a large number of clients in a short amount of time is laughable

The con is offering a b2b service. Photographers have been acting as unaffiliated and unregistered vendors for years. Regulating it isn't unreasonable and offers advantages to all parties involved (clients, photographers, and convention alike).

If a photographer really ISN'T relying on the convention for sales the same way other vendors do, then they shouldn't have any problems advertising without using the con's name, and without advertising in the con's groups, right? If they want to be unaffiliated from the event, they can take photography bookings for that weekend in that city using their own resources and networking to gather clients. I'm sure plenty of photographers will go this route. But If they want to reap the benefits of being a convention vendor, they should work with the con in an official capacity.

It doesn't make sense to say that you don't use convention resources and then in the same breath turn around and complain that the convention won't let you use them.

>>9939647
Oh then you are just another self important Atlanta snob then? Seriously you guys are a bigger laughing stock then Florida at this point. The photographers in your region think their dicks are so big, they manage to get arrested for talking shit to the hotel. I'm glad they are implementing this policy. Might make some of you losers stop acting like your hardcore celebrities that deserve to be catered to. Learn from the west coast and maybe they wouldn't have to charge your arrogant asses.

>>9939653
>Learn from the west coast

The same place who undermines the skill of photography by having so many "free" photographer. Please, if anything, the west coast should start learning from the rest of the USA.

>>9939655
>The same place who undermines the skill of photography by having so many "free" photographer.

Cost really does not correlate with skill.

>>9939649
AWA books the entire hotel. They can. As far as the hotel standpoint, you seriously think they give a shit about what a bunch of nerds that only come to their hotel once a year for a discounted rate say? You are not their main clientele. You guys whine over having to pay 5 dollars for parking.

>>9939097
Not all photographers can be nurses or highly paid government bureaucrats to subsidize their hobby.

>>9939652
>Posting on Facebook once or twice is the same as having a physical booth similar to a vendor
Your logic sucks. By your logic cosplayers should be paying an additional cosplay branding fee to the con because they use the con to advertise themselves and by extension their Patreon, etc.
They wouldn't have the same authenticity if they didn't attend cons. They should pay if they want to reap the benefits and use the con's resources.
If they don't have to pay extra neither should photographers. The only real motivation here is Greed - and poorly thought greed at that...

>>9939676
>If cosplayers dont pay extra, we shouldn't pay extra!
>Proceeds to charge cosplayers for photoshoots.

Pick one.

>>9939681
Oh you poor naive child. You still don't understand how Instagram sponsorships and things like Patreon work. It's ok - one day you'll grow up out of your 2006 mentality.

>>9939676
A pro photographer traveling on location, booked solid all weekend long, who isn't even attending panels, and drawing a thousand dollars in profit or more, is extremely similar to a vendor.

The services the con offers to the photographer (including advertisement, easily accessible public listing, endorsement, access to the physical space) are less than the services offered to vendors... surprise, that's also why the photography badge costs half as much as an Artist Alley table and a fraction of the cost of a Dealers Hall table.

>>9938350
There's no law against having an elaborate camera setup and using it for free. There's literally no way for them to enforce this unless they catch them exchanging money for photographs.

>>9939688
Yeah, a good photographer could easily make hundreds, it not thousands at a convention. Can't say the same for artists alley or exhibits.

If anything, they should charge more for photographers than any other vendor.

>>9939688
A pro photographer running timeslots can shoot what, maybe 7 to 15 people in a day?
That's compared to a vendor that can do business with hundreds, possibly thousands of people through-out the weekend? They don't even need to be directly present. You can delegate your sales to someone else. The photographer needs to be physically present. Lots of vendors are just selling shit other people made, anyway.

Stifling innovation and suppressing creativity from 99% of photographers under a supposed guise of protecting young women when really it's just entirely motivated by greed is sad.
They should be embracing as many photographers to do as much work as possible in as many ways as possible. It's a huge amount of exposure and good PR for the con. If AWA has such a problem with This Creep or That Creep they should speak to them directly instead of punishing everyone else.

This new policy is actually just begging for more trouble, anyway. Give it a few years and one of the "APPROVED" Photogs will do some sketchy shit like sexual harassment or rape or stalking. Photogs being exposed years later happens all the time. Then what happens? We just keep trying with this obviously flawed approval system? The whole thing is a mess. It's just motivated by greed and there's no defense for it. It's overly controlling and out of touch with reality.

>>9939666
Lmao photography is the ultimate pay-to-win medium of artistic expression.

>>9939622
Yeah, if you haven't noticed our economy is shit and people are trying to back a quick buck and get laid

>>9939683
Didn't know every cosplayer that wants a photoshoot is sponsored and patreoned. News to me.
>>9939696
Still mad they didn't involve you I see. You have been bitching for 24 hours straight about this. No one cares, you are not some hot shit. We only talk nice to you because you are a thirsty as fuck cuck that chases anything with a half decent ass that hands out free shoots and drinks. Yeah we know you charge girls that are not popular enough and give us free ones because you think we will promote you and help you climb the ladder faster. Go take your frosted hair self into the basement and do some self reflection. You are not that important.

>>9939696
can't wait for when one of the paid photographers 'allegedly' does something bad that everyone knows is true but technically unproven and never taken to court or anything like that.
will the con side with the accused or the victim? is just an accusation enough to be blacklisted from the paid photographer list?

>>9939696
>99 percent of photographers
>Innovation guys!
>This mad because he got busted

Why do you even care so much if you are not taking photos on the property anyway? You actions are very suspicious.

>>9939709
Who do you think I am? I'm literally a random Canadian photographer from Toronto.

24 hours? I came onto CGL today and saw this post talking about photogs and so I decided to give my 2c.

You're delusional. Lol. Just like this policy.

>>9939696
>Stifling innovation and suppressing creativity
Dude, you can still take pictures. You just can't charge for them. No one's stiffing your creativity.

Each passing comment from you shows an even greater lack of understanding of how conventions or the exhibitors hall actually functions behind the scenes. It's startling, really.

What happens when a professional is caught breaching their contract? Their contract is nulled and they are blacklisted from the event for all future years.

They are asking for an extra $50 from your ass for the time it takes them to run background checks, check portfolios, advertise, make the website pages, and manage people That's not greed, that's overhead. That's running a service.

>>9939692
There's no law, but it's a private event for members only. Law isn't the issue here. They can revoke your membership or your permission to be there at any time. They can absolutely say that in order to set up lighting rigs you have to have a photographer's pass, and have you removed from the event if you don't comply.

>>9939710
My bet is a quiet blacklisting. They won't publicly announce it, but anyone with a tarnished reputation won't make it through the approval process because the con won't want to be associated with them either way.

>>9939696
>>9939710
Samefag

>>9939712
Get lost leaf. Drink your bagged milk and get lost. You have no say in this

>>9939713
Paid photoshoots are still creative.
This comment really shows you have a lack of understanding about photography. It's startling, really.
Quiet blacklisting? Don't make me laugh. What a bullshit process. It's just Greed. If this is a contract it could also possibly lead to a small claims court battle that would probs easily be won by the photog if they had already shot there for a few years. Deny me on bullshit premise? Okay - now I sue you for all the income I made last year.
Oh, oh wait - so I just figured out a way through this bullshit. Photographers are allowed to post on the FB groups uncensored as long as they don't explicitly say they're charging and it appears as if they're doing it for free?
They can just advertise that they're "looking for shoots" and wait until the DMs come in to tell them the prices. Lol.
Again - out of touch with reality and way too controlling.

>They can absolutely say that in order to set up lighting rigs you have to have a photographer's pass
Not stifling creativity and innovation, are we? *SNAP*

I can't let this go. The math doesn't work out.

Claiming that an extra $5,000 is clear greed motivation for an event with an operating cost budget well over over $1,500,000 is crazy.

>>9939697
You know nothing about photography.

A talented photographer can take amazing photos with a kit lens and a crop DSLR compared to some weekend warrior douche with a full frame and a $100,000 lens. Photography is all about skill, not the gear.

>>9939719
So you just admitted to giving the cons the finger regarding their rules they are forced to follow by the venue and state?

Damn it was so satisfying seeing one of you arrogant dumb fuckers carted off in handcuffs last year. I hope it happens again.

>>9939722
>companies with a lot of money can't do small things that are motivated by greed in an ever increasing scheme to slowly raise prices and increase their profits
me: ok

>>9939719
Why do you care so much if you are not shooting in the venue anyway?

>>9939719
>random leaf that does not buy a badge or read the policy thinks he is entitled to last years income.

lol this faggot.

>>9939719
If you actually think there's any justification, then group up and sue them instead of throwing an anonymous hissy fit.

>>9939728
I don't like when people suppress photography with poorly thought out worldviews.

It's like they also forgot that a con is one of the cheapest places to get a headshot or professional portrait done ever. They are significantly more expensive from "regular" photographers during "regular" times.
There are bigger fish to fry, honestly.

>>9939733
reading comprehension is nice. I was speaking as if there was a hypothetical photographer years down the line who gets soft blacklisted.
I know thinking hypothetically about ideas and their possible consequences before they get implemented is hard for you - but try. Please.

>>9939725
So you're saying the venue and state FORCED AWA to create this "approved photog list" ? Why didn't you say so?

>>9939735
So why are you suddenly picking on a con you dont even monetarily support? There are like 10 other cons for you to run your crusade, why pick this one?

>>9939726
$5K is chump change to an event AWA's size.
AWA is a nonprofit run largely by volunteer efforts.
You are an idiot.

>>9939739
I mean, they can just report you for tax evasion instead? Would you prefer that? Vendors have to pay a fee to make money at the con, why do photographers think they are exempt. You are like the homeless bum that walks up to my car, washes it with a dirty rag and expects payment.

>>9939736
So hypothetically, your opinion amounts to shit garbage.

>>9939742
Lol what? A better analogy would be if that homeless bum posted a car washing service on FB, then you made an appointment with them, then showed up, then they did it for you.
That's the only way it's comparable.
Photographers can make their income and report it on their own. They don't need AWA to do it for them.

Then again, some anon was saying in Atlanta apparently Photographers come up to you at the con directly and try to sell you a paid photoshoot on the spot? Can anyone comment on this and maybe tell me an amusing story?

>>9939627
Lol cgl has shit on registered photographer systems for a while. Anyone remember fang fox who was controlling one of those schemes?

>>9939735
So you're throwing a tantrum because a con is charging vendors and screening them before they associate with the con?
That's stupid. It has no effect on you. It has no effect on any photographers other than the few who spam Facebook groups looking to book a weekend for overcharged sub par photos.

They're setting up a trusted vendor list to protect their customers and have a list of trusted vendors that actually helps vendors if they have a clean record and can get on the list. It's a win-win for everyone except the autists throwing a tantrum about "artistic purity"

>>9939749
You dont let photographers gatekeep other photographers. You get someone that hates everybody.

>>9939747
Go get your porn from your own cons, leaf.

>>9939719
You think cons make a public statement about how they'll never have Vic McNugget again? No, we just stop returning his agent's emails.

Quiet blacklisting happens at every con. Contracts are on a per year basis, there's nothing to sue over. Besides, "asshole no one wants to work with" isn't a protected discrimination status anyways.

>>9939549
Damn that's some salt you got going on there anon. I've had someone ask me for a free shoot before and my cosplay was anything but sexy he just was really excited to see the character cosplayed. Not all of them are like that.

>>9939769
That's basically how I pick who to photograph. I have 10k in gear, shoot for free, and select based on character and not "hot girls only"

>>9939769
>Not all of them are like that.

Of course not, but a huge, vast, overwhelming majority are like that. Even the ones with good reputations generally focus more on the titties.

Good luck being a flat (or small chested) cosplayer or a dude with no armor. You will get pics taken, but you will never see it unless you work extra hard and pretend to be "friends" with the photographers.

>>9939771
You are a very very small minority then.

>>9939773
Maybe you could, I dunno, actually be friends with them?

>>9939771
>I have 10k in gear
>shoot for free
>select based on character and not "hot girls only"

Hi California photographer, you are not welcome here. Stay in your state and never infect our territory.

>>9939771
How do you find people to shoot with? Walking up to them at a con and asking to shoot? Responding to their Facebook group posts?

>>9939784
>select based on character and not "hot girl only"
I-is there anything wrong with that

>>9939755
:( But I really want to know! Honestly, if they really are pushy and this is a big problem I could maybe understand the need for this new policy.
Like this mysterious man with frosted hair that somebody thought I was. Who is that?

>>9939785
If I have nothing to do I'll walk the con/check the areas people gather at. If they post a lineup on Facebook and I see a character/design I like I'll respond or message them.

But for example I like Tamamo and would definitely shoot her

>>9939784
I do it for free for a couple of reasons. One because it gives me selectivity on what I want to shoot (things I care about tend to go better). Two for time flexibility because a lot of my time at cons is taken up by non shoot activities, some of which are arranged last minute and can't be rescheduled, so I might only do a couple, or maybe none at all, and if I have to drop a shoot for whatever reason can do so.

>>9938265
This seems like a cash grab. I know colossalcon did the same thing.

>>9938692
>>9939097
I can confirm on both accounts. I seen many people that have super good cameras only ask for them to credit that they get credited for taking the photo.
I have about 10K CDN in gear and I do all my shoots for free I been cat called at AX for having my gear.

>>9939723

While I agree, in the cos sphere if you have money to blow looking pro you can (somehow) get pretty far over other talented photographers.

Not that I am a "talented" one. I just noticed some really good photogs who aren't big. But I think they like it that way.

I don't know what I'm going on about anymore, anon. Just ignore me.

>>9940053
Psst. I know you autistic retards as re too busy janking your meat thinking your so superior. But if you did a little of actual research and not what your Facebook homie is telling you, Awa is losing money on these badges. The fee they are paying to Georgia to let people properly advertise is actually more then the badge.

But you kneejerk faggots are too busy playing "muh oppression"

>>9939650
>point
>snap snap
>That'll be $350

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but if you're getting undercut by free, you aren't providing your service well enough, or the quality that you provide isn't as marketable as you thought it was. The people that mooch free shoots weren't paying you regardless of the presence of free photographers.

>>9940152
Yup. I know guys who charge even in California and they're busy all day. If you're good people will pay, period.

>>9939649
Most hotels don't allow professional photo shoots without prior releases, so unless you paid a location fee or got a location release, guess what? If the hotel got wind of it, they have every reason to kick you out if they wanted.

TFP shoots is one thing, but when money is being exchanged, it's now professional

>>9939692
Sorry you have to pack up your light stands and backdrop, it's a tripping hazard and you're blocking a fire exit. GTFO

>>9939719
>If this is a contract it could also possibly lead to a small claims court battle that would probs easily be won by the photog if they had already shot there for a few years. Deny me on bullshit premise? Okay - now I sue you for all the income I made last year.

LMFAO! Good luck on that. No wonder you're out fleecing kids, if you think you have a case, then it shows your ineptitude as a business! You'd spend more on legal fees then your entire career as a photographer.

>>9939749
That's Colossalcon isn't it?

i'm not sure who is the saltier side in this discussion between the photographers and the anti-photographers

>>9939752
Like Vero, they have Jason Laboy as their cosplay rep and he refuses to spotlight any photographers and cosplayers on Vero that he has beef with, not that they have much of a user base after the first 2 or 3 weeks it took off

>>9940296
You have two sides, photographers that have experience and then you have the ones that bought a camera and took some photos and suddenly call them photographers and are shooting everything in dutch angles and chopping off people at their hands, knees, and such

>>9938265
Hey OP. I know who you are and who you are associated with. If you and your little wannabe e-famous friends circle want to run a convention, then start by actually working for the cons. Between AWA and Momocon your entire group is a bunch of insufferable pricks that try to run both cons, without actually volunteering, so you can leech off them to support your delusional lifestyles of being Atlanta cosplay scene popular. Let me take a line from one of your pedo photographer friends.

Get bent.

>>9940296

The actual photogs aren't concerned about this issue because they know at con photography is a joke.

>>9941084
Then why are they bitching up a storm on the Facebook announcement?

>>9941150
the people bitching are either
1 - sub-par photographers that charge too much and know they can't make this list
or
2 - photographers with a large ego that want to control their local scene and think it's oppressive for a con to make any rules that limit or regulate photographers at cons

>>9941207
Are you married? can I marry you?

Saw some of those comments, and most of the naysayers are just fucking kids with cameras bitching about having to pay a fee so they can charge cosplayers for shoots. Fucking zero lack of reading comprehension or intelligence!

>>9940573
Is it the first little bitch who commented on the AWA post? Because he looks like he's pathetic enough to post here for asspats

I'm just going to assume this is a general photography thread.
Would it be alright for me to be picky with who I shoot with if I'm shooting for free?
Really don't want to shoot with anything that I'm not familiar with or don't like.

>>9946970
If you're doing it for free then photoshoot with anyone you want. You're not obligated to take pics of people.

>>9946970
You can ask whoever you want to do shoots, but if you advertise free shoots and turn down a bunch of people who take you up on it you'll look like kind of a dick.
Also you may come off as a creep if you only ask young white/Asian girls in skimpy outfits to do shoots

>>9939097
>>9939650
>>9939784
I'm not from the US, can someone please explain what the deal is with California vs. Eastern cons? Sorry if it's a dumb question, I'm curious since it's the first time I've ever heard of this.

Are they done announcing fashion guests? Was hoping they’d have a Lolita guest this year but it doesn’t look promising

>>9938692
>being poor in 2K18
Some people do drugs, some people buy brando, some spend their money on cars, some of us spend money on Sony/Nikon/Canon/Hassy

>>9939650
>wanting to charge for a hobby

Bro, I will agree that Pateron and those others should pay, but most cosplayers are having fun. Money is a cancer and not everyone is a mercenary. We won't step on your wedding toes or your event/press coverage so long as you don't try to monetize cosplay shit.

>>9939697
Someone post the Good Photographer shit camera challenge, and in terms of equipment, even a shitty canon 150USD point and shoot kicks the ass of most basic consumer films literally ever made. We are in the golden age for cheap good photography between cheap wireless flash equipment, cheap good prosumer cameras and lessons literally being free on youtube. You can be a great person for honestly, 700 USD which buys you enough stands, umbrellas, sandbags, a shit used pro camera, a basic 50mm 1.8 and possibly a used manual focus lens.

>>9939784
Sorry you hate people who have fun OP. The east coast needs a good damn lesson in well, having fun. I shoot shit I love because its fun. If you need this as a job shoot weddings like a real basic baby photographer.

>>9947336

There's a greater number of hipsters with cameras and wannabe photographers on the west coast versus the east coast apparently. So on the west coast, at least at cons, they tend not to charge for shoots versus the east coast where things aren't as retarded I guess? (Except for Anime Weekend Atlanta?)

This is all news to me as well, and I live on the east coast of the U.S.

I'm also not a photographer or a cosplayer so there ya go

>>9947345
They are not done announcing fashion guests

>>9947336

East Coast photographers come from hustling environments. Cost of living is greater, and photography is done there as freelance. The wave of photographers flooding the market is screwing with the profit margins now since so many photographers shoot for free or for cheap, which is what the West Coast is like (more laid back). You still have photographers charging there (West Coast), but there's a lot of of them willing to do it for free, even at cons.

Same token though, you have a lot of broke photographers on the East Coast trying to make money while still learning their cameras, which just also creates a negative attitude towards the entire market.

The Midwest is a mix of both. You'll find more photographers willing to charge for shoots if they're in the city or attending a con, but may otherwise normally shoot for free.

>>9947626
Lot of East Coast photographers also like to start shit and run in cliques while backstabbing one another

>>9947922
Oh no, pls elaborate

>>9947626
>"Cost of living is greater"
>implying that California isn't one of the most expensive states to live in

kek

>>9938350
Man, that really would've pissed me off back in the day. I was a pro photographer with a lot of high-end gear, but my cosplay stuff was just a side hobby and I never charged for it. I knew quite a few people in the same situation, too.

Come to think of it, though, most of those other photogs have quit like I did, and the few who are still around are charging for shoots these days. I guess most of us feel the same way about cosplay photography, that doing it for free just isn't fun or rewarding anymore.

>>9949949
You mean you didn't get to fuck a cosplayer like you thought you would?

>>9950442
Why would I want to? I've fucked enough fatties in my life, thanks.

I'm just imagining them walking up to my photographer and asking if he is being paid for the shoot. Me responding yes, I'm paying him in sex.

For the record my husband is my photographer. I don't actually pay him in sex but we do joke about it every photoshoot.

But in all seriousness, I know several smaller cons considering doing something like this. For one, most of the photographers are seeking press badges and then charging the cosplayers for the shoots they use as press. So not only are they getting free badges but also making money off of the con. So the first thing one of the cons did was ban guest photographers and press from charging for photoshoots. The convention centers and hotels hosting the convention, were pushing them to charge photographers.

>>9951040
the better way to do things is to just not give cosplay photographers press badges. if they aren't doing actual coverage then tell them to fuck off. if they happen to do both press coverage and cosplay photography, okay, fine, but press shouldn't be handed out like candy

>>9951040
>Implying that they are going to ask you because they know your lying.


Oh you naive little snowflake. Just like how you think your husband is not fucking that loli looking 18 year old.

>>9948451
hgih school level shit, like saying they're friends with so and so and then they talk shit behind their back or undercut one each other's shoot and using people for shit like contacts or getting items like banners and shirts made

>>9952272
Name and shame anon, name and shame.

More fashion guest announcements when

I’m considering going since I had so much fun last year, but I’m only going this year if there’s a lolita guest.

>>9938265
>how not to run a convention

>>9956675
Hoping people follow up on their boycott threats and it's possible to actually get a room at magfest

>>9956675
Fun Fact: Nick is the Executive Director of MAGFest.

>>9956675
>>9956956

Yo what the actual fuck though

Never gone because I kept getting frustrated by their hotel and registration bullshit that I just gave up entirely...but THIS?

Yeah they can piss off for all I care.

>>9939566
That’s really dumb anon. How does a photoshoot done on someone’s iPhone take up more space than a photoshoot done on a $3k camera? You’re still taking up the same amount of space, the only difference is the camera. There are a lot of people with expensive cameras that just want to do shoots with their friends, why should they have to pay more?

>>9954146
Not gonna bother, as you can easily find their names if you look up past CGL threads on East Coast photographers.

>>9957369
Oh look, another west coast vendetta fag that does nothing but excel at blowing smoke up people's asses. Go find an evil plastic straw califag.

>>9956956
>in that order
Imagine being such a cuck lol

>>9957436
Edgelord detected. Isn't it time for your momma to breastfeed you?

>>9954146
UV Photography
Jason Laboy Photography
Butch Lee
Just Cosplay Photography
EMCP/Eugene Manning

Your just risking sexual advances with these guys or desperate DMs

>>9957326
Lathe camera setups definitely take up more space. Especially since the people who use them want the background to be clear of people and often shoot across pathways to hold up foot traffic.
At Acen, there were so many people with semi-expensive cameras that kept blocking traffic and wanting people to stop so they could get a clean shot of some cosplayer they walked past.

>>9956956
That is almost as bad as the guy that runs Pensacon

>>9957326
>people holding up reflectors
>speedlight setups
>gigantoid softboxes

>>9957694
See it's funny because UV is the only one out of that group that isn't utter shit. How do such mediocre photographers get well known enough to shoot with cosplayers even with their bad behavior? Is there that little photographic talent out there for cosplay?

>>9939549
salty uggo-chan spotted

>>9957698
The same people blocking traffic and being a nuisance with their pro cameras are going to be the same people blocking traffic and being a nuisance with their iPhones if pro cameras get banned. You might as well ban all photography at cons. Enjoy choosing between having nothing but low quality phone selfies or paying $200 - $300 for an actual professional portrait session if you ever want photos of your cosplays though.

>>9958501
You mean aside from the recent drama that he raped a drunk girl, cheated on his gf of 2 yrs with over 15 other girls while lying to them all

>>9958739
Jesus fuck

>>9958739
Didn't he used to date Dejavudea? Is that who he cheated on?

>>9958739
I was speaking more about his photographic abilities, all the others on that list are little better than snapshitters. At least UV had some modicum of talent to carry him through his bad behavior. Sounds like the guy cleaned up despite his apparent sleaze, was he good looking or something? I'm just astonished that someone can do such clearly awful things and remain unscathed for years,

I feel like photographers are just going to bump up prices to make up for the cost of the badge

>>9958922
that's expected, it's what happens with AA already

>>9958869
He was dating Gaius Cosplay. If you're on Facebook, just type in his real name, Nathan Stallworth, and you'll find the public posts and cringy screenshots

>>9939650
I know good photogs that get paid $100 per shoot at cali cons. The difference between you and them is probably skill.

>>9958937
Why the fuck is he sharing those screenshots on his page? That Teresa Huang girl seems like the definition of insane. I guess he's paying the price of crazy puss. UV also seems a little mentally ill, but this shit should really not be public the way it is.

>>9939650
>until they learn the value of photographic skill

The entire photo industry has been saturated with "photographers." Yet, there are still pros making good money. You can't charge for just owning the gear anymore. There seems to be bubble of con photographers on the east coast still living in the past, trying to collude into overvaluing their mediocrity.

If you are unable to create value for your work that's greater than an amateur that does it as a hobby, you're not a pro yet. "How am I supposed to get better if no one hires me?!" No one's gonna pay for you to practice on them.

>>9939650
The value in photography is now about how well you can direct poses, compose shots, and Photoshop. People still pay for it

>>9959082
So it's the same as it has ever been in every single genre but cosplay? On one hand I feel for people in these threads complaining about how its harder for them to make it in cosplay photography. On the other hand, judging from my area, Florida, the average skill level of a photographer is still abysmal. I still see people paying for garbage photos, so it can't actually be that hard. I think that maybe people just expect a small amount of ability from their photographers now, and a lot of shitters cant compete anymore.

It seems like all this really does (As been discussed) is allow for "photographers" to freely advertise they are booking for shoots and CAN SAY they are charging. Anyone who's been on the AWA Facebook knows the instant a photog post about booking for shoots and mentions ANYTHING about prices... the post gets deleted.

What AWA staff don't realize is, If the money is exchanged via PayPal / cashapp / etc BEFORE the con (If trust the person enough) then the con has really no way to prove the shoot was paid for...

I agree with it because photogs are making money off the con by using their "space" (Yes, Some people do shoots IN the hotel / convention centre) so I can understand... but it's also frustrating, because as mentioned - What happens if someone gets hurt, raped, molested, etc? Now that AWA has given that person a special photog pass - Will AWA be able to handle the heat of it falling on them as well?

This con has gone to shit and is only getting worse. It's gotten too big for the venue, Some of the staff are complete assholes *coughcoughpaulcoughcough* and with the new stadium being next door, it's jacked the prices up for literally everything.

>>9957694
If we're talking shit photogs, We've got AVM cosplay photography, Some kid who went by J.Slicer back in the day, Affliction Cosplay photography and Bentpic5 is abit cringy as well.. but I really don't know if he's still around.

>>9957694
And don’t forget Paoimages. Dude is thirsty as fuck

>>9959264
>>9959266
That affliction guy is talented though, and so is Pao images. Do girls just deal with their advances or give up their bodies to these guys because they're good?

>>9938288
Honestly kinda get where this guy is coming from. You (a convention organizer) spend a bunch of money putting on an event like this and 'photographers' come in and turn it into their own economic opportunity at basically your expense. If someone makes hundreds or even thousand at your event you would want a piece of that cake, and it looks like they aren't even asking for that much.

This also eliminates the issues with creepers who show up to cons with cameras and claim to be photographers. Having a (simple) approval process for photogs with an extra fee to be invited is completely reasonable. Photogs are just mad because the gravy train is ending, and creepers are mad because they'll have a harder time being creepy.

>>9959437
What stops camera creepers from offering free shoots? They can still creep that way

>>9959449
what stops them is they aren't on the list of recommended photogs so they don't get the publicity and people are told to trust them at their own risk. It's like a whitelist of trusted photogs.

>>9959459
And what stops the likes of >>9957694 from being whitelisted and end up creeping on cosplayers anyway? You do realize that if a con were to handpick 'professional' photographers to whitelist, guys like Laboy are going to be their first pick due to how active they are in the convention scene, right?

>>9959264
oh hey it's the guy that's obsessed with this Paul guy again. Dude, why dont you just go to his room and duck his clock. This is not a healthy obsession and you need to get over it. What did he do, fuck your waifu?

>>9959531
>>Implying Laboy would even try to register and not just whine about the price like all the other "professional photographers"

I see the frosted hair faggot photographers of the east are still trying to spread paranoia.

>>9958891
>>9958739
>>9958937
>>9958970


See what >>9959264 does not get is, AWA staff do not fuck around when it comes to lying to them. For some unknown reason they are especially good at digging up info.

As soon in Nathan Stallworth, UV photography getting arrested last year for trying to give a false name. They already knew who he was. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept record on people before this announcement regarding their behavior and risks they pose.

>>9959606
oops *for example*

>>9958987
No sympathy for that cunt. She knew what she was getting into and the group she rolls with is into grooming girls for Maki Hinds husband to rape. Nathan is a piece of shit but she is just as bad. They deserve each other.

>>9946970
I shoot for free and have a policy of only shooting from IPs I'm personally a fan of- that has actually been great for my rep, as cosplayers know I'll bring my own ideas and knowledge of the source material to a shoot. I'm probably the most well known and sought after JJBA photographer in my area now because of that, despite having super basic equipment and very little technical knowledge.

I am very firm about only shooting who I want to shoot- I'll shoot friends as a favour of course, but I really am not going to waste time and memory card space on FOTM#984754759874 because I couldn't give a shit.

>>9947199
>be lesbian
>routinely prioritise cute girls for shoots
>nobody says a thing
gotta love dem double standards

>>9959606
>getting arrested for giving a false name
Would they get as beaned for just sneaking in?

>>9959623
I think he was caught, told to come back with a badge and got caught again. That's where the tresspass after notice came from.

>>9947345
Mutha fucking mossbadger.

>>9959003
East Coast photographers that charge fall into three bubbles.

Those that suck and can't get bookings no matter how hard they advertise.

Those that barely advertise and get fully booked.

Those that advertise like crazy and barely fill their slots and it's usually only due to friends.

>>9959531
They're not handpicking them so much as asking for photographer accountability. They're not going to deny you if you're a paying client. What the cons want is a way to track you down if shit comes up like you molesting a cosplayer.

>>9959606
Wow arrested and 2k in bail, guess mummy and daddy paid that shit quit for their spoiled brat

>>9959612
How exactly did you find the people you wanted to shoot? Did you ever post up on Facebook groups advertising shoots while saying something like "I'll only shoot from IPs that I like", DM cosplayers individually, walk up to them in person asking to shoot, etc?

>>9959725
So I'm assuming you are privy to the process? please enlighten us. I'm all ears.

>>9959606
He got arrested for sneaking into an anime convention? That's an absolute joke, either that convention takes themselves way too seriously, or this guy is such a colossal piece of garbage to have pushed it that far.


>>9959531
>>9959588
Why do people care so much about this Laboy guy? He seems pretty middling to mediocre and he badly overcooks his images.


>>9959531
>>9959725
I think I have to agree with the accountability thing. I'm a literal who, with a decent but entirely non-cosplay portfolio, with under 50 followers on IG and I still got approved.

>>9959623
>>9959624
>>9959772
It's the trespass part that is important. If you get told to leave, you should leave. After they tell you to go then trespass can come into play

Just got my photopass badge. See you creeps crying about not getting to molest cosplay girls soon!

>>9959736
I post in con groups saying I'm looking to shoot from XYZ series, and i often organise meetups myself for a group shoot.

>>9959772
Found the rapist!

>>9959772
If you go on someone else's property after they tell you to fuck off they can arrest you and charge for a misdemeanor

>>9959772
Are you seriously trashing the convention that just approved your photopass?

>>9959772
Laboy's the cosplay photography rep for that failed social media app Vero and on of Kotaku's cosplay photographers as well as staff photographer for the Cosplay Culture magazine so he gets a lot of exposure. he's also BFFs with the owners of the Instagram account, Cosplay and Comics, so they helped him get to where he is with the followers on his Instagram since they feature his photos alot. he even managed to get a Go Fund Me to get him new camera equipment thanks to them.

>>9960356
I don't mean to trash them, I'm sure its a great convention. It just sounds strange to me that people get arrested at something as lighthearted as cons. Maybe I'm just too boring and uninteresting to understand the level con drama gets to with certain people.

>>9960570
Wow, I had no idea he had so much clout. That's even more impressive considering how borderline his abilities are. I guess someone's ability to network is almost more important than their ability to take good photos. How long until he gets me-too'd?

>>9960615
No idea, I've heard rumors, but nothing solid has come forth. You know how it is. Until something solid comes forth like screenshots, it's all hearsay but he has burned some bridges with his Vero pushing and i've had two good friends told me about his DMs for private meetups at cons, but nothing scandalous like dick pics or sexting.

>>9956675
>>9957306

>>9957698
I was at acen too and while I saw those people, I also saw people doing the EXACT SAME THING with with their phone cameras. It doesn’t make a fucking difference

>>9958065
Literally where did I mention softboxes or any of that other stuff? I am just talking about people with pro cameras bucko. Bringing a pro camera to a shoot doesn’t mean you’re required to bring all that other shit. I see so many people at cons with a dslr because they become more and more accessible every year and out of all of those people maybe only 5-10% of them carry around shit that takes up a lot of space. My post was about the other 90% who just have the dslr and nothing else

>>9957326
They're making money at the con's expense, at their event.

If they were competent, then people would be reaching out to them. without resorting to using groups for the con.

>>9939728
>why do you care about oppression if you're not the one being oppressed?

>>9962388
Oh its the guy making shit up about oppression again while he shits on everyone else.

>>9962435
This is my first post in this thread, fucko. Can't comprehend that more than one person disagrees with you?

>>9962435
Good counterpoint faggot

>actually paying someone to design this as your press image

MAGFest continues to shoot themselves in the foot, especially after their Head of Registration resigned over the debacle of this past 2018's reg/hotel fiasco. BoD demanded they used Experient for hotel reservations, despite a huge chunk of the volunteer staff being against it.

>don't want to shoot with someone (multiple people at this point)
>they keep wanting to book with me
>keep saying yes and hating the shoot/them

How the FUCK do I say no?

>>9962388
Who's being oppressed? Camera guys trying to make money illegally? Bet majority aren't reporting their income at the end of the year.

>>9962748
Are they paying you? I mean if they're just ugly/poor cosplayers I say be a professional and do a workman like shoot. Even non-beautiful people deserve good photos. If they're rude or bad people then just say you're busy. It's clear they're not worth the money then and you have no obligation to shoot anyone you dont want to. Your time is limited and there are better people to shoot. Also feel fortunate that you're so in demand. You could always be a nobody.

>>9962437
>>9962577
You do realize 4chan has a counter of how many posters. Despite 1 post claiming to be his "first post" the counter did not go up.

Try to be less obvious of a same fag.

>>9962990
Yeah I'm getting paid though it's admittedly not much. I'm totally okay with shooting with someone if they're not the most attractive or decorated, it's just the people I don't want to shoot with are either a combination of horrifically entitled, rude, annoying, obnoxious, overly demanding or puts absolutely no effort into their cosplay.

Yeah you're definitely right with having some sort of demand, but shooting people that I'm not too fond of is starting to make me burn out and lose interest. I'd like to say "I'm busy sry" but then that means I wouldn't be able to advertise my shoots as I'm sure they'd post something like "didn't you say you were busy/booked already?"

>>9962771
...are you seriously pushing the concept that conventions should abuse photographers because of potential tax evasion?

>>9963346
Lmao how is buying a pass if you want to make money abuse. What a victim complex.

>>9963346
Got it, you clearly lack any form of reading comprehension at all.

>>9963346
>>he thinks its abuse
>>uses a private event and venue that takes 100k and up to run
>>does not help with the event in any way except to benefit him
>>cries abuse when the convention tells him to pay his dues for using their product


I'm ok with abusing photographers now. You are nothing but shoplifters

>>9963160
You could soft block them or temporarily block them while you’re advertising. If confronted about blocking, pretend it was a mistake.

You could just never open her messages and pretend you never saw her notifications.

I’ve seen photographers make cosplayers fill out one of those google forms you can make yourself. You could just make people apply for shoots with you and that way if she confronts you, you can pretend that someone else submitted an application before her

>>9962595
who the fuck thought making this in ms paint was a good idea?

bump for more creepy photog anger