/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9906935

>>9906937

>>9906938

>>9906940

>>9906941
The text part of this made it worse. Keep researching honey.

>>9906942
When you know you’re Ita, maybe don’t post it and work on it.

>>9906942
>brolita
What's that, male lolita?

>>9906945
Lurk more.

>>9906941


Ageplay onesies are not cutsews. ew.

>>9906935
>Amazon tier gloves, wig, and shoes
>That lovely dress

Unfortunate

>>9906942
Honey the quality of literally everything you have on is trash, please go back to the drawing board on attempting lolita. You are saying all the right things and wearing absolute trash that doesn't even fit or look remotely lolita

>>9906935
Is this a Fairy Oddparents cosplay?

>>9906945
>>9906556
Follow the path to enlightenment.

>>9906942
Except for the fact that absolutely nothing in this photo is actually lolita? Wtf!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6AW573IzM

wine and sky blue?

>>9906988
Why do people do this? Provide links of YouTube videos making you click it and giving the poster more views for bad content? I don’t know about the rest of you, but I don’t click YouTube links for this reason.

>>9906935
Context on OP? Did she mention her obvious inspiration or did she really try to pass off this bargain-bin ripoff of takulu's coord as her "totally original idea"?

>>9906935
>Mfw this is my first time on this board
>Mfw this is the first thread I see
>Mfw this is someone I know
>Mfw this life is pain
Pobre nena

>>9906935
Is that the same person as from the Scarlet Primavera kerfuffle?

>>9907026
No, gg at least bothers to spend money on stuff when she coords.

>>9907002
Looks like she’s trying to pass it as real.

>>9907037
Shes doing the same pose too lol

>>9907037
fucking Y I K E S

>>9907002
real

>>9907037
store brand

>>9907049
Lol I am making this meme right now

>>9907037
“Original character do not steal :3”

>>9907051
glad to collab with you on this meme anon

>>9907049

>>9907037
I don't think she's doing that. She's just autismo.

>>9907055
Here you go anon. I couldn’t resist.

>>9907063
>>9907058
>>9907056
Stop stop shes already dead!!!

>>9907037

It could still be the real dress, she fits badly enough into it. Other anon just said she's ripping off the idea, not that she's wearing a knock-off.

You can just barely see the pompoms if you look carefully on the left edge of the skirt, she added some fugly fat layer of sheer chiffon underneath it. I don't know why she's skimping on a better petti, better socks, better gloves, ditch that dodgy crown, straighten out her shoes, nicer choker, use an actual underskirt, less fuzzy wig, nicer backgrou -- actually you know what, just burn her at the stake, dress and all.

>>9907064
It’s only a brief moment of fun. Sorry you got posted.

Poor girl has literally been bullied all her life. She's an easy target i guess :(

>>9907065
Horse placement is wrong, upper black and white panel placement is wrong, I’m strongly suspecting replica.

>>9907066
I'm pretty sure they were joking.

>>9907073
Didn't think I needed to post the pic

>>9907069
If you are going to copycat someone right down to the actual pose, what do you expect?

>>9907065
Hordes are not placed correctly, sleeves are too big, the top layer of stripes sits poorly from poor sewing. And the dot ribbon to each horse has diffrent sized dots from the origional. Highly doubting it’s real.

>>9907069
Then she shouldn’t put her self in a situation to be made fun of. I mean, she didn’t have to copy another coordinate. She could have been inspired by it and done things differently like a diffrent hair color, pose difference, not used a short scepter but maybe a purse or staff, wore wrist cuffs instead of gloves. Wore a diffrent headress that wasn’t a bad ripoff crown. There’s plenty of things she could have done to be inspired but not directly copying it in a cheap manner. Copying someone then posting it on the internet, people will call you out on that and make fun of you for it. Don’t copy you don’t want to be called out for it. If you do copy say you copied the look and copy it exactly. Not cheaply.

>>9907078
It's not me but someone I know. Pretty sure she has autism or something judging from the way she acts. She was bullied for years after posting a cover of her singing the song from Portal. I used to write encyclopedia dramatica articles and I found that video there. People were particularly cruel and I guess I became a moralfag and felt bad. She's a good person, she's just eccentric. I haven't seen her around for a long time and I see she hasn't changed much, still drawing attention for the wrong reasons. Oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that's how the cookie crumbles.

>>9907084
I wouldn’t make fun of someone singing a cover but I beg to differ that she’s so ‘good’ if she’s wearing replicas and copying stuff without crediting it?

>>9907084
Autist gonna learn that copying isn’t okay and replicas are not accepted in lolita communities.

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>>9907088
She probably did credit in some long 5 page article on her blog that nobody reads or someshit. Also she's been like this for at LEAST 12 YEARS. So... At the risk of bullying her my self... She isn't ever going to learn. That's just the way she is. Lol

>>9907026
Isnt it this Canadian kawaii ambassador

>>9906935
Isn't this the Canadian kawaii ambassador?

>>9907093
Then she’s going on my “what not to do” folder. Won’t stop me from calling her ita.

>>9907103
I hope not.

>>9907103
Cadney? Lol, no! Lurk more!

>>9907110
There's more than one KA in Canada, anon.

>>9907070
>>9907079

good eye for detail, I take it back then. A replica and she could not size it bigger for her own body at that.

>>9907069
Pfft. She's a bully herself. There's a reason the lolitas in her city hide the meets from her.

>>9906941
I love tasteful cleavage and sexappeal in lolita, but there is nothing tasteful about this. Why would someone thing this is a good idea unless they want attention for their tits?

>>9907283
Pic for ants.

But I think she’s into ageplay and that’s one of those adult onesies.

>>9907283
Because she's not aiming for our lolita, obviously.

>>9906941
>>9907285
Yup

>>9907084
So many people (including myself) have autism and other mental things. We still know not to copy things without credit, not to wear replica's, and to look in a mirror and dress well. I've always been told, autism is a reason, no excuse. You still need to learn what to do and what not to do in which group, and if you do stupid shit better learn from it. Obviously, reading the comment, she doesn't even try to better herself and learn.

Too much people use things like austim, social anxiety and other mental stuff as an excuse why no one can be mean or even give concrit to them, instead of (try) learning how to deal with situations in a way that does work with whatever they have.

>>9907283
>I love tasteful cleavage and sexappeal in lolita
Get out and take these ageplay shits with you.

>>9907285
Can't make a bigger picture when it's a cut-out from the original picture to show what part I mainly talk about. Unless you want a bigger bunch of (anti-aliased) pixels, of course that could be done easily by enlarging it.

>>9907295
I actually strong dislike ageplay, thank you. I mean more in mature styles like classic and gothic, like having a cleavage like rococo dresses. The more mature and refined lady-like kind of sexapeal we see a lot in history.

There is a big difference between tasteful cleavage and sexappeal and looking like an ageplayer or slut.

>>9907300
Lolita isn't about sex appeal, not even classic or gothic. You might want to try gyaru instead.

>>9907300
I get the types of styles you’re talking about, and I agree they can look really good, but it’s not lolita.

>>9906942
I feel like she has the potential to coordinate well if she gets her hands on actual lolita pieces, but everything here is Hot Topic or Amazon.

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>>9907354
I guess?? Like not to be discouraging but like if she actually "researched" the fashion then she would have known that most of most she had on was not "loliable". Knowing the basics of lolita, do not a make a good lolita even with brand.

>>9907389
Adding onto this.
If she researched, she would know that it takes some heavy investing to make a passable coord. She just opened her closet and checked off the lace monsters and mini skirts but didn’t look for “ is this made for Lolita” point. That should be the first rule to not be ita. Is the dress made for lolita fashion. If no, then don’t wear it. Then check of the other points of lace monsters, poor quality and hem length.

Also if she can’t afford cheap 40 dollar blouse, maybe this fashion is too rich of a taste then what she’s ready for. Especially if you can get a mediocre but passable blouse from bodyline for 25 dollars.

>>9907389
>>9907392
Agreed. Her problem definitely was that she did not do as much research as she said. I still think that if she wore actual lolita pieces, it would look half-decent (not good, but not blatantly ita), but the glaring problem was that she “researched” the fashion (probably just glanced at Wikipedia) and thought “hey, I can do this with normie shit”. We have specific lolita brands for a reason. Even Bodyline is at least made for lolita.

>>9906942
>everything is of good quality
>4 dollar eBay bear tights

>>9906942
Aw babby. Hopefully she’ll keep researching and learn. It looks like she has a vague idea, but just... didn’t really get it.

>summer lolita look
Honey no

>>9907103
regrettably, yes

>>9907497

>>9907497
>>9907525
Beautiful

What is wrong with her body? That dress just rides up her and it looks so awful. Why didn't her friends tell her this dress is not meant for her?

>>9907532
I don't understand girls that do shit like this. Obviously wearing ill fitting clothes looks terrible but I mean, don't they feel terrible looking in the mirror and seeing this or that dress fitting them so badly? Not to mention the fact it can't possibly be comfortable, it honestly looks painful.
I genuinely don't get it; if they're not into lolita because it makes them feel beautiful (and they can't possibly feel beautiful when they look like a stuffed sausage, unless they're deeply delusional), why the fuck are they into it at all?

>>9906938
Alcoholic fetal syndrome looking tumblrgender with coloured and short hair? Also,fat? Pls no

>>9907532
It’s just an unflattering cut for her body type, she seems to have a longer waisted torso shape. She’s the perfect candidate for a jsk with extended straps. A binder would improve the side bulge and reduce her bust but that cut with a shorter bodice will never look really good on that body shape. She needs empire, just waist or a well fitting princess cut.

>>9907538
^ this comment exactly. I also think people in closet of frills are way too nice and should be more honest. Looking at this pisses me off and it should to anyone. this girl walks around as a walking advert to lolita fashion. I don't want people to associate the fashion with desperate shit like her.

>>9907065
It’s real. It’s from a tea party where you couldn’t wear replicas, and it was recently rereleased. It just isn’t worn well.

>>9907222
She doesn’t live in an areas that there are meets.

>>9907497
‘Wasting away again in summer ita ville’
Classic case of ‘lolifying everything but one weird accessory’. This was almost me when I started, my first piece was an accessory I won in a giveaway. Fortunately I just decided to get actual lolita basics to test the fashion and did not do this.

>>9907552
Cof could be so good for concrit, it’s too bad we don’t have an actually helpful group for it, just requiring honesty and politeness together, given by people who actually wear the fashion.

>>9907557
Listen anon I want a shirt with “wasting away again in summer ita ville” on it now I’m in tears

>>9907650
Be my guest, use a frilly font, get it from zazzle or cafe press in a pink babydoll cut. Wear with nostalgic skirt and tea parties with ankle socks. Filthy casual summer lolita, it could be a thing.

>>9907650
>>9907656

>>9907708
Perfection. I’m glad you are amused, this summer has started as #nofun for me but maybe it can turn around. Little jokes help.

>>9906942
>before my first meetup
She’s going to a meetup......in that...

>>9907771
Hopefully someone in her comm helps her out before that happens, yikes.

>>9907771
>>9907776
She? Her? Did you read the tags?

>>9907781
Huh. I completely missed those, my bad.

>>9907532
Oof, seeing this is making me realize my 90 cm bust would pop this thing wide open

>>9906942
This is part of the reason why people are gettind the wrong idea. The community as a whole doesn’t have a strong new repository of guidelines for ‘this is lolita, that is not lolita’ for new people doing beginner research. And lone people don’t have anyone to tell them. The old sites are outdated. The newer ones are ass-patting or run by fairly new lolitas or worse, doily wearing itas. So we get this guy thinking he’s doing it right when nothing at all is right.

>>9907799
We have more info that's easy to access to beginners than ever. Some common sense and comparing what you see on photo's that look good with items you see for sale fix it.

There is also more usable stuff for sale more easily than ever. Idiots who blindly buy anything with the tag "lolita" and who can't tell if something looks okay when seeing stuff, especially worn stuff, need to learn to think, not be spoonfed the correct answers only.

I agree that people are too asspatting tho. But still some common sense and being more critique if things are good/true or not when you find it online would help a lot of people a lot more.

>>9907806
I think many newbies who don’t know anything about regular fashion or quality to begin with have trouble developing their eye for what’s good vs what is not and why. There may be more lolita shopping resources overall but there’s far more noise, keyword spamming and nonsense to wade through too like the cat tights advert.

If people who are new don’t get to read good concrit of others, then it’s hard to learn, so yes, the ass-pat mentality needs to stop and honest concrit needs to come back.

>>9906942
>Acting like $40 on a blouse is a ton of money.

This is why I don't think teenagers should get into lolita. I used to be an absolute ita in HS because I couldn't afford anything. After getting a decently paying job I can drop money on lolita every month. It feels so good and worth the wait. I'm in my mid twenties now.

I hate that the stereotype is that lolita and jfash is for young people. Those are the ones that struggle to dress themselves the most, unless they have wealthy parents.

>>9906938
The right coord is not ita, minus the fat rolls on waist. The left is much more flattering to their shape but is a complete mess. Might be a tad better with a wig from the right, but overall I think this person is on their way, minus being a genderflake.

>>9907806
we have tons of information, but like >>9907799
mentioned, if you're new you won't be able to tell the good advice and reliable sites from the bad. When all we had was EGL it was easy because it was a one-stop community with one-stop resources, even though there was less material. Now it's broadly distributed instead of there being a single reliable repository.

>>9907781
uwu I assumed someone’s gender
>literal hitler-chan
I was actually too distracted by everything else about the photo to look at the tags kek
Gotta say though, he looks very feminine. Good on him. It’ll help a lot when (if) he learns to coord properly.

She called this an Ero Lolita look.

>>9907950
I'm not mad at this as Ero desu.

>>9907950
Soo much photo shop and why is she making a peacock feather face?

>>9907952
Jsk without blouse does not equal ero

>>9907950
I think with better socks and a better headdress (that looks like shitty raschel lace), and with some wrist cuffs maybe and a better quality choker, this would be pretty cute. I really prefer blouses of some sort though, but if she changed up the things I listed above, I wouldn't mind it at all.

>>9907957
I could see like a broken doll kind of ero look with this, but it largely looks unfinished and sloppy.

>>9907950
Has CGL ever liked any Ero coord ever? Probably not.

>>9907980
oh, I definitely agree that it looks unfinished and sloppy. She needs to invest in some higher quality accessories, and add some more imo. The idea she had doesn't seem bad, she just needs to work on it quite a bit.

>>9907950
The perspective and shoop on this makes it look like Alice in wonderland on a bad trip.

>>9908001

There's that one girl who posts a lot of Moitie and Antique Beast that usually gets nice comments. Can't remember her name right now. But then again she usually tags it ero simply because some of the dresses are weirdly really short and not because she just wants to wear a jsk without a blouse.

>>9907066
Wooosh

>>9906944
This one could be good with some more work. The apron skirt needs to fit her better, and could use a lace trim on the bottom. She could also use a wig and some more makeup. Color coordination is not bad, aside from the normie purse being a bit too bright. I like how the tights/socks almost completely match. I’d say this is ok for a first ILD and a supposed first attempt at handmade lolita. Keep working and improving, apron-chan!

>>9908170
It depends if your comm has ILD as a fancy meet for your best coord or as noob welcome event. Some places are fancy and would not appreciate this at ILD at all.

>>9906937
Dear god! 4/5 of these coords are decent...spot the ita.
Ok, I’m a huge fan of short socks, but it doesn’t work for all body types. If you have huge thighs, and the dress is too small on you, wear fucking tights (and maybe get a dress that actually fits). Also, if you’re the only one wearing Bodyline as your main piece at a seemingly upscale meetup, remove yourself!

>>9908181
I agree about the socks but I'd rather see a bodyline chan than a replica chan any day.

>>9906937
For the most part their coords aren't eye-searing, but extremely ill-fitting which makes ok coords look terrible.

>>9906938
I thought the one on the right was ok until how I saw it was fitting around the waist. And I guess there's not much you can do to improve a face like that, but tumblrgendering with short green hair is guaranteed to make it worse.

>>9906940
Hurk. I hate seeing stretched out lacing around someone's waist.

>>9906941
This isn't remotely lolita.

>>9906942
Ditto this.

>>9906944
Needs some small improvements, but it has potential. Better purse, better hair, fix the apron mistake obviously.

>>9907497
Not lolita.

>>9907532
Again, coord is fine to decent. It's the fit that lets her down.

>>9907950
It's decent for ero, but this is the reason why /cgl/ hates ero. Even if it's not a terrible coord for the substyle, it looks sloppy.

Lesson to take home from these is to wear a dress that fits. If you can't find one (and you have very little excuse these days) either lose weight or accept that this fashion is not for you.

>>9908181
>>9908184

It's a lot worse than that. That Bodyline dress goes up to 6L. If you assume the girl in the middle is wearing genuine btssb (usually M-L size) then this means the ita is shoving her fat ass into a dress much smaller than her size for some reason.

Maybe she's not really a lolita at all and borrowed somebody's clothes, idk.

What is up with fatties skipping petticoats anyway. The two on the left are demonstrating exactly what happens with a rectangle skirt, a lot of bulk around the waist and hips, and then it's flat around your knees. Dear fatties, the purpose of petticoats is to make your waist look smaller by contrast to your poof. Don't skimp on it, you just look fatter if you do.

>>9908250
I think a lot of fatties are scared to wear pettis because they don't want to seem bigger than they already are. It's really dumb though, because for the most part, no petti looks worse and makes you look super ita

Somehow this aliexpress-hot topic-milanoo bullshit is even worse considering it was put together for someone who believes they're a doll.

>>9908392
Except this is all images from amazon. This is an amazon ita.

>>9908409
I checked the links, it's from Aliexpress, Hot Topic, Storenvy and straight up Milanoo.

>>9908353
I'm a bit chubby and I think that a petti actually makes me look smaller? I don't have huge sagging boobs and my waist is defined,so the volume from the petti makes me look a bit thinner. Idk if that made sense. I suppose that if you don't have a defined waist+are fat(unfortunate,right?) Pettis do make you look bigger. But you don't look good without the petti either. The best thing you can do is try and lose weight.

>>9907064
Already... dead?

>>9908409
>this is all images from amazon
What? Amazon, ebay, aliexpress, and taobao use the same pictures dummy

>>9908453

>>9908411
All these things are also on amazon too. I don’t blame anon for saying it. I have considered getting the shoes for a beginner lucky pack. They are cheap and like 15 dollars.

>>9908467
The shoes are definitely not the worst thing, especially if they match the coord. The three other pictures are pretty cringe though.

>>9907088
>>9907089
It's not a replica. Carnival had a mto about a year ago. She says so in her post that its the rerelease version.

>>9908501
With a quick search you can see kidsyoyo made a replica of it

>>9908509
A stock image even shows they can white pompoms on it instead of black.

>>9908509
So did she use the replica? Something does look off about hers.

>>9908467
link to the shoes?

>>9908518
Don't get them anon, they're hideous.

>>9908412

Sagging boobs and undefined waists can be fixed with a custom-sized corset, actually. It’s not cheap, but that’s being a fatty in general — your food costs more because you’re eating more, your clothes cost more because you’re using more material and everything needs to be sized up, you need reinforced furniture and more space in your living area, etc etc.

It’s not really my place to tell other people that they need to lose weight, if they chose to continue being fat and bear that extra cost (and effort) of being fat, that’s up to them. There’s just no way to bend reality though, no one’s going to make a corset using 4 times the fabric and then take a loss on selling it. Being a fatty will always cost more and be more effort (well, unless you don’t care what you look like, in which case you end up in this thread…)

As for petticoats, lolita’s not really something you’d get into if you’re worried about width. Sweet lolitas (average-sized ones) get all happy and high when their petti is so wide they have to squish it down to walk through doorways. The poof is actually the one place they are encouraged to be as wide as possible.

>>9907532
The coord is nice, it's just not nice /on her/

>>9908467
>>9908482
>>9908518
Those shoes are bad and you are bad for wanting them. Don’t shop the ita thread.

>>9908555
This needs to be said more, fit is a big factor in how something looks, people should stop pretending it isn’t.

>>9908565
>this goddamned gif
Not only is it ita, but lolita had no reason to be included in that video. It only perpetuates the idea that lolita is a part of goth, which it isn't.

>>9908571
I’ve also never seen a goth dress like that, or at least no one that isn’t a cringy tween going through a hottopic weeaboo phase.

>>9908565
I don't want them by any means, just saying it was the lesser evil of the four things.

>>9908571
That’s the point, those shoes would fit right in with this kind of shit so people in lolita fashion especially should not buy any of this kind of shit when there are plenty of perfectly good brand or mto actual lolita shoes to buy. Even size is not an excuse anymore with mto.

>>9908512
No it looks like the real thing to me. If you have tits then the bodice looks like shit on you. I have to use a binder and corset to reduce the size of my chest to fit it properly. Also it is a-line skirt so there isnt much poof. I can take photos of mine if you want any specific details. I dont know what parts look off to you.

>>9908620
I get the point you're trying to make but not a single thing I said was about those hideous shoes, I was just commenting on the video the gif was taken from because the "lolita" in it is just another example of an ita that's perfectly relevant to this thread.

>>9908660
The fact that the middle horse is not centered on hers and the vertical trim that is supposed to be the poles holding the horses looks different.

Sure is bargainbin-chan trying to pass her shitty replica as the real thing in here.
If this is the case >>9907556, and it was a tea party where replicas were strictly banned, I can see why she'd be in here lying about it. Too bad cgl has eyes.

>>9907110
Cadney resigned a few years back when the Anime Matsuri kerfuffle first started.

Lurk more I guess?

>>9907876
I came into lolita few years ago after people had switched to FB and EGL was far from the only place. But really, I think common sense and knowing a bit of clothes and quality in general would help a lot of people enough to tell a shady website from a good one. Or at least to tell them that that cheap ass monstrosity they bough isn't looking as great as the picture they saw online.

It's not hard to see the difference between cheap, crappy, ill-fitting clothes and proper lolita. Nor is it hard to see what looks like those picture you admire and what doesn't even get close.

I think it's more a problem that people want too bad and stop thinking because they don't want to disappoint themselves with their stupidity, as well as people who don't want to have to think or spend and actually do something but still want to be treated equal as those who do. And so they start screaming like idiots that their cheap crappy clothes are just as well lolita dresses and are just as pretty as the ones most actually wear, and that not everyone has to wear brand and the fashion is about self expression and shouldn't have rules and any other bullshit excuse ita's make about why their crappy outfit should not be criticised.

People just need to be honest and critical to themselves.

>>9908674
The horses were never centered. The bottom has a satin ribon with bows along the hem. It looks like the threw a shitty underskirt under it to make it more ott. Just because her coord is hideous doesnt mean the OP isnt the real thing. Here's my OP for reference, but even the stock photos show that the horses have never been centered.

>>9908728
This mostly, but I do see a lot of cases where someone doesn’t wear nice quality clothes in their daily life and has never seen a brand lolita dress to compare things to. There’s no way they will get it right on a budget, and they don’t know how to shop for even used brand yet.

I think con panels on lolita 101 should all have actual examples of brand dresses, indie dresses, cheap bad dresses and talk about fabric quality, trim and lace quality. I think someone could actually make a go of vending used retail decent dresses and accessories and presenting lolita 101 panels on the US con circuit.

>>9907538
>they can't possibly feel beautiful when they look like a stuffed sausage
You just described a lot of people in my comm and as far as I can tell, they do feel beautiful. I guess they’re so used to looking like a stuffed sausage in all Japanese brands that it becomes normal for them. Sometimes they’ll happily post to the comm page about how well their new acquisition fits them, but then when they wear it to a meetup you can see that the back shirring is stretched to max capacity and there is armpit/breast tissue oozing out of the arm holes. They’ve completely lost sight of what “fitting” really means.
>inb4 lol Amerifat
nope, different continent

>>9908735
I went to a Lolita 101 panel a few years before I actually got into the fashion, and I remember they had a lot of examples of dresses including brand, good handmade, good Taobao, and, of course, cheap ita shit. I don’t remember exactly what was said about quality, but the one quote I remember is “if it’s being sold super cheap, question it.” Also, surprise surprise, triggered itas gave the panelists shit for being “elitist”.

>>9908760
This is unfortunate, people need to realize that just because they can get something on, that doesn’t mean it fits! There are other size options or just get things altered, jfc.
Also, they should lose a little now because if that type gains, their stuff stops fitting for real, as in they can’t even get it on, but they can’t sell it for a decent price either by then because it’s wrecked from the stretching and with stress pulls on the seams.

>>9908760
Well I did say "unless they're deeply delusional", which your comm members seem to be. My sincere condolences.

>>9907295
>>9907300
Sex appeal and cleavage never ever belong in lolita.

>>9908765
I hope the panelist gave them honest replies, that’s the problem with one of the comms near me, a huge girl who is a cheap ita flounced because people were ‘elitists’ and so now she has her own little group of ita tumblr orbiters because she’s so ‘strong and brave to defeat the elitists’. They go to cons in cheap, wrinkled Milanoo and bad colored costume wigs. We call it the containment comm.

>>9908765
>>9908774
>when the trash takes itself out
Beautiful.
How did they give the panelists shit, though? Did the itas call them elitists to their faces?

>>9906941
isn't this brittanyventi? lul she's gained some weight

>>9908783
God I want to fuck her pale flabby body. Das ist güt... So güt..

>>9908777
I expect trash talk online. Most ita's are too pussy to say it in your face. Then hide behind being better than talk against elitist if confronted, and go back to hate behind their save computerscreen.

>>9908777
>>9908806
The only thing I witnessed was a fatty trying to argue and eventually walking out when they criticized an ita plus-sized “brand”. Everything else I assume was online. Allegedly people were going to speak to the con staff and make sure they weren’t invited back, but I have no idea if they did or what came of it.

>>9908774
The panelist was very polite, but honest, and stood by everything she said. She even tried to direct fatty-chan to better, affordable brands, but fatty-chan was just like “it doesn’t matter if I like it uwu”. Eventually panelist-chan changed the subject because fatty-chan was beginning to raise her voice, and thats when fatty-chan walked out.

>>9908760
I always want to post a stock photo/worn photo collage of several examples of this, (faces obscured), to discourage this stuffed dress look in general but unless I used a chubby or fat model, I think posting even obscured face examples would be mistaken as a personal attack instead of just a general, ‘hey don’t stuff yourself into dresses like this’ post.

Tagged under lolita....

>>9909182
>oof

>>9909156

The only way you can make it work is to use a single chubbo girl, her face and hair clearly shown and maybe a time/date stamp clearly in the photo. Put her in small sausage-making clothes and then put her in clothes that fit (and you'd also have to edit the photos so the sausage clothes can't be cropped off and used without context, otherwise that's just going to get posted around without context). It has to be the same girl to show the huge difference wearing fitting clothes can make, and you need the timestamp to show the girl didn't just lose weight over time, it's 100% all in clothes that fit.

The last ita thread had one anon repeatedly commenting that fat girls shouldn't be itas because they're fat, what she missed is that every ita she commented that on, the girls clearly didn't fit their clothes. I think "bad fit" has actually become their way of judging whether a girl is "one of us fatties", as in, if you fit into your clothes, you're automatically not a fatty and they can write you off as not worthy of their time. Regardless of your actual weight, which is absolutely pants-on-head retarded, but I really think that's where they're at now.

So if you use different models for the sausage clothes and the fitting clothes, they'll just write it off as the sausage girl is "one of them" and "just fat, not ita", the girl in fitting clothes is automatically smaller because she fits in her clothes (regardless of her actual weight), and that you don't know what you're talking about and therefore can be fully dismissed.

Like I said, honestly kind of pants-on-head retarded. Makes it so difficult to even try and help them due to their own stupidity.

>>9909195
I was more thinking a stock or model photo next to a badly worn photo to highlight the fit contrast on the exact same dress, more like >>9907058

>>9909258

That doesn't accomplish anything, though. They already know they're fat and that they look like stuffed sausages.

If you don't show them that they look much better in bigger dresses, they'll just continue stuffing themselves into smaller dresses and stretching it out. The real issue is that they think being fat means it's normal to stuff themselves into smaller dresses and look like a sausage, rather than scaling up and finding clothes that fit.

>>9909275
Agreed. Maybe using taobao brands that do S M L sizing would help, show a fat girl in a size S dress vs a size L dress.

>>9908774
My comm has a few itas like that but instead of going off to make their own community (with blackjack, and hookers) they just hover around the margins of the main one scavenging for scraps of discontent so they can jump in and go “see, we told you they’re elitist bullies!”

I honestly wish they’d fuck off and make their own containment comm for uwu lovelies instead, especially if that would cut down on the anon shit talking towards us. It’s probably wishful thinking, though.

>>9909279
B-but anon, are you saying fat girls don’t deserve one-size Japanese burando and should settle for Taobao just because they’re fat? That’s elitist!

>>9909316
I know you're being sarcastic, but so many people really do have this attitude and I've lost all sympathy for entitlement.

If you're fat, you don't look good in lolita period. You might have a good coord, but it would always look better on a thinner girl.

>>9909368
woops, forgot the caption:

>Schools out, home alone, what could possibly be a better time to walk around the house however you want without family being there to judge you? (◡◡)

tagged as lolita and shiro lolita...

>>9909279
>>9909316

You don't even need to go taobao for that. IW already does their dresses in M and L sizing, and their blouses already come in S, M and L.

Then there's Angelic Pretty, whose sizing is all over the place. The smaller dress would be something like Misty Sky or Holy Lantern, if you leave the shoulder straps short both are especially shitty as they're very high-waisted and only 83cm long. For bigger dress, if you search lolibrary a lot of their jsks have adjustable shoulder straps and more shirring. Example would be Freshly Picked Strawberries jsk, or some of the half-shirred special sets that go up to 110cm waist.

If you're willing to cross brands, you can even go with something like AP's 83cm jsk as the smaller dress, vs Metamorphose or Physical Drop. Both Meta and PD are already pretty big but both also have a lot of shirred pieces, giving you even bigger sizing. Something like Fantasy Parade shirred jsk will provide a huge contrast compared with Misty Sky.

Now somebody is probably going to tell me the entitled fatties will still ask why they can't wear all the popular prints like Misty Sky and Holy Lantern. I don't have an answer for that, I'm afraid. I suspect denial of reality features quite heavily in their mental outlook.

>>9908103
Tamielove? She's like the original Ero lolita

>>9908760
South America? There are a lot of fatties there too

>>9909414
Oh look another stuffed sausage.

Also why black shoes?

>>9909320
There are always degrees too. ‘Too fat for anything but full shirring’, ‘too fat for unshirred’, too fat for certain brands altogether. It’s just a fact of lolita life. They might as well just get over it and start buying things that fit or commit to a diet. I don’t see many normal weight girls trying to squeeze into even smaller lolita brand clothes. The ones who plan to keep wearing it should think about that too, it looks less acceptable the older they get.

>>9909320
I learned on Lolita Updates that it's actually racism against fat people for lolita dresses to even exist in small sizes

>>9909374
>Holy lantern
>Small

Milky cross is small, HL is fuck huge.

>>9909644
Looks like someone whose native language isn't English; but still a silly argument, even if the wording was perfect.
>I can't have a nice dress because I'm fat?
Well, yes, you can, just buy from a seller that offers custom sizing so it can actually fit you. Or just lose weight, which is better in the long run. I don't know why the latter is taken as an insult, when I was 19 I chose to lose weight because I wanted to be healthier and be able wear lolita and be comfortable in it; I don't know why that's such a bad thing.

>>9909665

Really? My bad, must've been thinking of another dress that's 83cm long and high-waisted.

Other than that mistake, the rest of the comment still makes sense, I hope?

>>9909644
I didn’t know being fat was a race. Where did they originate? Obese-slavia or fat-astan?

>>9909414
>that floor
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE just vacuum!!!!!!

>>9909644
Which post is this on? Because aqua sounds exactly like a moron in my comm, bad English and all. I want to know if it’s her.

>>9909678
Fascinatingly, there wasn't even any additional context, beyond someone tagging their friend in a post for a dress and that friend freaking out even though a size chart was not yet available.

>>9909680
>fat-astan
kek

Looks like she's from Fat-aly

>>9909753
It's an old post from last year, I'd saved the screenshot because it is so outstanding. Something in this thread brought it to mind. It's the one with the skeleton carousel.

>>9909770
I think I found the OP (with the skelanimal-looking print?) but can’t find that post. Maybe it’s been deleted. I’m going to keep believing it’s her though because that tacky-ass print would be right up her alley.

>>9906938
these coords would look cute on a different person

>>9907002
Does anyone know if that pullip collab doll is actually available for purchase, or was it a one-off?

>>9909898
Iirc she made the doll's outfit herself.

>>9909898
The doll's dress was made as a gift by a friend of hers, it's not a collab doll. She made the rest of the accessories herself.

>>9908353
In my experiences the waists of pettis are usually also smaller than the waists of dresses and skirts; they might have trouble finding one that doesn't cut them in half.

>>9909925
What? BunnyHouse makes everything to measure. MeLikesTea I'm not sure, but I think so? Those two have been the most recommended lately.

And even the stick sized ones on TaoBao and such, they have full elastic or coord around and can go MUCH bigger than the waist of dresses. If they can wear those skirts, they most likely are crushing themselves in half with those more than the petticoat would.

Fat ita's in too small "brand-sized" dresses aren't scared to be crushed into half by their petty, obviously...

>>9909900
>>9909903
Ah that's a shame, still lovely though. Thanks!

>>9909644
The designers are not obligated to design for fatties. They intend for the dresses to look a certain way when worn and if means not catering to a land whale, then so be it.

>>9909644
1% have untreatable health issues that make them fat or keep them from losing weight.
This girl needs Haenuli or custom sizing which DOES cater to the fats and more than that, she needs a prescription for a daily dose of shut the hell up.

>>9909956
> lolsplaining
I was merely providing a funny screenshot

If you gulls want to see some fatties freak out that this model is not "plus size" enough go to this post on FB. It's especially sad because when they originally posted this, they used the words plus size friendly but they've since changed it to roomy because of the fattysalt going on in the comments. The poor model even gives her measurements and she confirms she is plus sized. The fatties then tell her she's more of a US medium.

>>9909963
I meant that as if it were addressed to overweight lolitas complaining about size inclusivity. Sorry anon, I just went on a tangent.

>>9909964
>AP tries to cater to fatties
>they still cry
>ur not morbidly obese therefore not plus sized
There's really no pleasing these people, is there? I doubt they'd even buy AP in the first place though, they're just looking for a reason to complain.

>>9909966
No worries!

There's such a wacky dichotomy in lolita between people demanding inclusivity and simultaneously priding themselves on exclusivity and elitism, it deserves to be laughed at!

>>9909975
I think a big part of it has to do with entitlement. People feel entitled to be able to afford dresses and fit dresses while also feeling special that they wear the fashion.

>>9909976
If you want to afford a dress, you work hard to save up the money for it. If you want to fit a dress, you work hard to lose weight.

I'm declaring 2018 the year we put a stop to excuses and entitlement.

>>9909996
>I'm declaring 2018 the year we put a stop to excuses and entitlement.
I really wish we could do it that simple! I decided to always be honest but not give opinions when not asked for/inappropriate place, and be as kind/respectful as possible. I made so much enemies by telling people the whole world isn't a great happy group of friendly people! I'm somehow a nazi, racist, and elitist as well (just like anyone people don't like). I fear people won't stop that easily.

Luckily I also made some great friends who appropriate honestly above sugarcoating everything. But those scream a lot less hard so I doubt we notice much difference soon.

>>9909976
>>9909996
I feel conflicted about quoting Britney Spears but
>you want a hot body
>you want a maserati
>you better work, bitch

>>9910006
Don't feel bad, I'm loving that quote lol.

>>9909964
>104 cm bust 95 cm waist
>not plus sized
They're even saying she's a US medium. As an American that's absolutely not true. Where the fuck do they shop that she would be a medium?

>>9910014
Torrid, probably.

>>9910004
Just keep being honest. When people ask for concrit, put as much emphasis on fit and cut as you would on quality, colour, pattern etc.

>>9910014
That's what was confusing to me. It's like what anon said above, apparently if you're not obese you're not truly plus size.

Just imagine how fun the fashion would be without sjws screeching about muh inclusivity. Like, we could have a reality show about teaching itas how to wear lolita properly with a host that acts like Gordon Ramsay.

>>9910024
I defiantly will. Never been happier. Some people might hate me now, but I honestly don't give a shit about the opinion of entitled idiots who think the world is going to be one happy place where everything and everyone is good and nice.

Their not really worth changing myself or hiding my opinion for, let alone lying about it. I care much more about opinions from friends, those I need to work with, and those I respect highly myself. If anything, I laugh at the stupidity of some people. But even that I generally keep private, I'm not so mean to make someone look bad in public because I don't like them. If it's bad enough they are good enough at doing that themselves anyways.

>>9910034
>we could have a reality show about teaching itas how to wear lolita properly with a host that acts like Gordon Ramsay
I don't know about a reality show but it could be a great youtube series. Make said host scream at entitled itas and encourage those who actually want to improve and do their best to do so, like Ramsay actually does, and I'd watch it.

>>9910044
>Defiantly

>>9909961
I'm hypothyroid and it is extremely hard for me to lose, but I went from overweight to normal for lolita, and if I can do it, so can the majority of other fatties. it just takes effort and discipline.

>>9909996
They don’t even have to, do you see haenuli’s size chart? It’s whale sized already.

>>9909785
Yeah it was the Skelanimals looking one. I'm not surprised if she deleted her comment, it was such a weird thing to say and she's had months to reconsider.

>>9910048
Sorry. Typing quick and with dyslexia. You're correct, I made a typo there. Probably made much more today online. 4chan doesn't have an edit function like FB to have me clean them up. Believe me, I'm happy at least a basic spell checker works in these comment boxes.

>>9910014
lane bryant

>>9909940
Fuck bunnyhouse. They have some of the worst possible customer service I’ve ever had to deal with and refused to admit fault when screwing up measurements.

>>9910014
Nowhere but everyone cries to read the truth...According to PLUS Model magazine; "In the fashion industry, plus size is identified as sizes 10-14, super size as sizes 1X-6X and extended size as 7X and up".

Of course cheap fast fashion and vanity sizing will say different but that’s the industry standard.
Double digits? Plus size.

>>9910047
Oh oh and the format could be like Botched.... 2 itas who learn and get makeovers, and 1 who is either rejected or fails in a big way. It would be a great mix of fashion and schadenfreude.

>>9910047
Problem is everyone would bitch about the host and say she wasn't good enough for it. She'd get called ita more than the people on the show.

>>9910094
Well you can't please everyone.

>>9910052
Just because something fits doesn't always mean it's flattering.

>>9910105
No one said it is and I’m guessing Haenuli loses some sales over it but big lolita sizes are ~available~
No one ever said wrapping a ruffle around a beach ball would look good, just that there are some lolita dresses to fit land-whales so they need to quit crying that there aren't.

>>9910014
they need to understand that being a plus size is not the same that being obese. It's the same confusion when obese women use the term curvy (hourglass figure) to describe themselves. They need to realize the truth, they are not curvy or plus size, they are obese. Fat acceptation is f*cking cancer.

>>9910113
>censoring yourself
>on 4chan

Fuck off cunt

>>9910114
J-just leave me alone

>>9909964
This message is pretty clear from AP: girls, this is a big dress, it’s free flowing and long sleeves, fat hiding cause we aren’t gonna make form fitting short sleeve stuff for fatties.
Long sleeve one piece sacks for you.

>>9910062
More like Lame Giant, am I right?

>>9909970
I once was doing a lolita panel, a landwhale asked if there were any plus size friendly brands. I said Maxicimam Lovely and same response, that's not big enough. Like fuck, Maxicimam Lovely has some big ass sizes.

>>9910147
>>9910113
>>9910073

How on earth do you reach the point where you can no longer fit into plus sizes and not take that as a massive wake up call?

The issue isn't even that they can't find a dress that fits at that point, it's that they're obese and they're destroying their bodies.

>>9910147
I think leaving the conversation at ‘you have to measure yourself and then add 2cm and check the max measurement in the size range and ideally, read reviews’. That puts the responsibility on them and not on the rest of us to find their solution. They want to bitch? Let them go bitch to the brands.

>>9910117
>mfw not fat
>mfw I like this dress

Glad it's not on the online store because I would have bought it, read this thread, and then be ashamed that I bought a fatty dress

>>9910163
I kind of wonder like, what exactly do these girls eat every day? I feel like I eat a lot and I can't fathom what I'd have to eat every day to become that size.

>>9910168
There’s nothing wrong with the dress but it’s true that it might have the haenuli effect, meaning that some normal size girls will not want it because it also fits big sizes.

>>9910169
Very calorie dense foods in even slightly large quantities with no exercise at all causes many people to get fat. One thing I notice is that many fatties don’t eat that much foods with lots of nutrients and fiber.

>>9910163
It’s not like stores actually make a distinction between plus size and the larger sizes. I didn’t even know super sizes and all that existed. Most stores either put everything plus sized and up into one section or they just keep all of the sizes together, and plus size speciality stores usually have custom vanity sizing scales.

>>9910169
They probably drink their calories. You can consume your entire day's calories and then some easily in Starbucks alone.

>>9910174
What part of LARGE and EXTRA LARGE is not clear though?
Large means big.
And the numbers convert.
And vanity sizing is now everywhere. Compare a thrifted vintage size 10 to one from any mall.
If lolita, go try a vintage Gunne Sax blouse.

>>9910174
But how do you hit size twenty and not start to question your lifestyle choices?

Worse still, how are there people who don't even fit into size 28+/multiple XL and who prioritize demanding clothing brands cater to them instead of doing a massive overhaul of their health and lifestyle?

>>9910181

>>9910178
Well yeah, but if they were already plus sized and considered themselves such, they would just see it as becoming more plus sized, not growing into a different size scale. Also like you said, vanity sizing is everywhere, so if you gain weight slowly enough you can get fatter and remain the same size.

>>9910169

I know someone who eats three ice cream bars to overcome 'hypoglycemic episodes.' She then claims we eat about the same and she's jealous that I'm the size I am. Bitch, I don't binge on a box of oreos for my nighttime snacks, I don't buy calorie dense empty foods, and while it looks like I eat a full plate at lunch time, I don't fucking snack in between for a total of 5-6 meals daily.

>>9910181
They often don’t buy that much new clothes and have badly stretched out the ones they have. Anything with some stretch factor can be stretched out several sizes. I have one really unforgiving woven blouse with no stretch at all that I try to wear at least every couple of weeks and if it gets tight, I cut back on the eating a bit.

>>9910185
Maintaining such a diet is expensive af as well. Most people can survive on eating for eating £15 a week no problem, whilst a person who is 200lb+ eat for £100+ a week, then complain that healthy food is expensive. Society really needs to stop catering to their mental illness. Making 5xxxxl clothes is like making clothes designed to cater for anorexics.

>>9910193
I think most people would prefer that fat people didn’t walk around naked.

>>9910193
I think it is food addiction to a certain degree, and also eating as stress or emotion management. Anyone fat who is healthy enough could probably benefit from a medically supervised fast before a moderate diet to just bust the myth that they can’t lose r that they need all that food..

>>9910169
I know someone who was at least 150 lbs overweight but was also studying to become a nutritionist. She ended getting gastric sleeve surgery because I guess nutrition is too much work. Makes no sense to me but I also can't imagine being that fat, so...

>>9909644
https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-dreamy-jewel-high-waist-jsk
That’s a ~42 inch waist on an AP dress, what more can be said?
Any bigger and the tide will come in.

>>9910202
I really don't understand WLS. You have to restrict with or without the surgery, and you can easily stretch your stomach back out after surgery, so why not just cut out the middleman and restrict without the complications?

But addiction is a scary thing I guess.

>>9910205
People want instant results, and some people probably find it more motivating to maintain a low weight than to slowly whittle down to a larger weight.

>>9910168
Normal sized girls look good in sack dresses too, anon. Don't worry!

>>9910208
WLS doesn’t give instant results either, it takes months and yes, restriction, with potential health complications too.

>>9910113
can I get an amen?

>>9910205
The person I mentioned who got gastric sleeve surgery lost about 100 lbs over the course of the first year, after which point she started exercising. Now she's thin enough that she evidently feels comfortable posting selfies almost daily. She always struck me as the sort of person who would eat butter out of the packaging. Of course she constantly gives nutritional advice to other people.

>>9910240
Tail almost looks like a large furry clutch purse

>>9910210
>>9910168
I like it too. Of course, any thin girls who wear it will have to brace themselves for the fat acceptance landwhales shouting at them “it’s not for you REEEEEE”.

>>9910204
Unrelated, but I think that print looks so awful with an ivory or white blouse. I have that JSK and actually bought a lavender cutsew, which is the only thing it will match with.

>>9910240
Classic case of “uguuu I wanna do that supa kawaii lolita cosplay!”

>>9910240
Thank God someone finally posted an ita.

Dump incoming; they were out en force for ILD and A-Kon.

The looks on their faces

Kek

I feel like this is a nice person who needs some help. I could be wrong.

Again, hopefully a nice girl at the start of her journey who needs help.

>>9910320
Nightmare fuel

>>9910335
She's super cute, and I hope this is her first coord, because I think it's actually salvageable, even though I really dislike wa lolita.

>>9910340
Sorry, I missed one of the names. My bad.

Maybe try again? Again, super cute, probably nice, needs some help.

>>9910345
Whoever took her pic could have at least adjusted her blouse for her. That's a bad friend desu

>>9910345
>>9910348

Honestly the friend might not even have noticed. Consider that the girl herself would have had to look at this photo, go "yep! great photo!" and then upload it to the internet.

I sort of have the feeling a lot of itas just kind of miss the mark by not being detail-focused. That would explain why so many of them think loliable offbrand looks okay when it doesn't, they don't notice all the glaring differences where it doesn't actually look lolita, or they completely gloss over how their legwear looks like they aren't wearing any.

>>9910338

Wow, I'll admit to being impressed and sad at this one. It's so nice to see someone making an effort, the dress fits her, she's wearing a petti, and you can even see some attempt at balancing her hair with the green brooch and the vines on her legwear.

She just, uhh, needs to start over anyhow because wtf is that dress, why are there random unfinished ladder lace trailing all over it and the vines being cut off at the ankles isn't really a good look. So, A+ for effort but also F for the end result? idk it's a shame because it looks like she actually tried.

>>9909182
How did she think this looked good?

>>9909369
where is this from?

>>9909963
>missing the point
I was referring to the pic you posted.

>>9909964
it looks so much better on the hanger she holds it on than it does on her. i cant wait for the fat acceptance movement to be over with. skinny is HEALTHY.

>>9910315
>when a lolita meet has no lolitas in attendance
Depressing.

>>9910318
>#cosplay
>#lolitafashion
Biggest pet peeve. I realize it's dumb to get irritated by this of all things, but how do these people tag something as cosplay AND fashion at the same time? Do they not realize the two aren't the same?

>>9910335
Why does it say 404 file removed when I want to enlarge? I assume it's removed, but why? Wanted to see the ita. That tiny picture for ants ain't showing shit

>>9910117
The majority of their shirred JSKs are form fitting short sleeve pieces that fit fatties. Do you expect AP to start making form fitting stuff for morbidly obese westerners which wouldn’t fit anyone in Japan and China, their main demographics?

>>9906944
Bro she looks like that one lawyer from SVU

>>9907487
I think another problem is them bragging about how much research they did and how quality everything is when the opposite is true. If they just said “first coord, I tried and I like it but what can I improve on?” it would’ve been better.

>>9907950
>all that shoop but they couldn’t give themselves a proper chin or get rid of that toof sticking out

>>9910345
>>9910440
It's this one; I'm the anon who posted it and then realized I didn't line thru her name in both places, so I took it down and fixed and reposted it.

>>9910377
You can fudge a blouse but you better have a helluva eye for the look and style. More often than not, normie blouse looks normie.

>>9910345
>here's my coord
>can't wait to do more cosplays
*sigh*

>>9910338
>>9910378
I feel like she needs more accessories.

>>9910484
Your attempt is even more shit than her coord. Not everything needs a million accessories.

>>9910485
It's 5, A+ math student. And they're standards: headpiece, wrists, purse, and sash. Sorry my sketch is rough.
>million accessories
Ppphhhttt

>>9910484
Shit coords can't be saved by adding accessories. Please continue lurking, you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>9910487
>adds on a sash
>a weird halo crown thing
>bunch of OTT bullshit for a really simple piece

Honestly you're probably just as ita as she is.

>>9910487
>satellite dish bonnets and sashes are standard
>matching hypothetical accessories to her hair color
>completely glossing over the shit dress, lack of legwear and those bizarre shoes
Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>9910318
I thought lace monsters like this were gone forever.

>>9910323
I know Texas is the land of hoopskirts, but weird bulges are not kawaii.

>>9910315
>>9910427
But they all look so happy. Isn't that all that matters?

>>9910328
The left one--what dress is that?

>>9910484
Yeah, nice try but no.

>>9910320
Oh dear god why does this exist

>>9910497
They can be happy and it's great that they're having fun but that doesn't mean their coords are lolita.

>>9910497
>>9910501
I know, just being cheeky.

>>9910503
Oh, sorry, my bad.

>>9910427
The only time I could see it as acceptable would be if you are posting multiple photos from different days of a con and one was a cosplay and the other was a lolita coord.

>>9910484
I know this example is terrible, but it would be fun to take a lousy coord with potential and shoop it to show what it could look like.

Unless it's another sausage in a casing.

>>9910345
Wa Lolita is hard to pull off, anyway. Why do so many choose it for baby's first coord? If you want an Asian look, just wear a kimono. It's easier.

>>9910338
This is not what ladder lace is for. I can't believe the dress was manufactured like this even if it's normie. I sense either an unfinished homemade dress or a thrift find that was *enhanced*. Either way, it looks unfinished. Sloppy.

OMG she's adorable let's help her clean up this mess

This was tagged lolitafashion and lolitacoord

Another "lolita meet"

Another day, another cosplay dress tagged as lolita

>>9910483
They try to learn the terminology so they’ll fit in but always mess up at some point.

>>9910514
I see ribbon-less ladder lace used in normie clothes and lingerie so often and it makes me unreasonably salty.

>>9910507
Usually weebs fuck up wearing kimono too. Kimono ita is a thing and it's awful.

>>9910516
I’m not going to go with the obvious “wear a blouse” because I honestly think those types of dresses look ok blouseless, despite being against the rules . But if that’s what she’s going for, she still needs to tuck in that bra strap (I would personally use a strapless bra), get a red bag, lose the minion keychain, get nicer accessories, dear god brush that hair, and put on a nice red bow.

>>9910517
Ok, the dress itself looks like it could be from a more casual lolita brand like Emily Temple Cute or something, but everything else does not even pass as casual lolita.

>>9910507
Don’t suggest this. Kimono is harder than Lolita and often more expensive too until you learn your way around the market and have your basics. Less size forgiving too.

>>9910529
OMG is there a kimono ita thread somewhere in 4chan?

>>9910454
Right, Japanese fatties and possibly chubby westerners. My point was that they aren’t and the dress is probably as forgiving as they were willing to go and they are trying to say nicely,’ hey look, we do make some dresses that fit reasonably extended sizes’. I’m sure fatties refuse to believe that if you make it bigger it will sag and bag on smaller or normal people because their thinking is to ‘just tighten the back lacing’. They are delusional about sizing completely. They also don’t seem to understand that Japan and China are still the main market. If they have not seen a lot of lolitas in person, or been to a brand tea, they probably also don't realize how much small average size asians proportionally are compared to average Americans. And they refuse to believe that lolita is the fatty-chan Japanese fashion already because to them, the Japanese girls wearing it don’t seem fat.

>>9910323
She's more unfortunate in her looks than ita - other than her fringe and the hoop-skirt under the dress sitting awkwardly, she's not really ita, she's just got an awkward face, a horrible smile and is quite chubby. Even if she lost weight, she can't really fix her face - all she can do is learn not to do toothy grins in photographs because they aren't flattering.

>>9910552
>>9910323
Bless her heart. She should really work on the make-up and facial expressions for photos. Some gulls forget that extra makeup us better for photos.

>>9910540
/fa/ had one a long while back
/pol/ was bashing whites wearing kimonon (all weeb pics) sometime last year (?)

>>9910323
How old are the designers now? That’s some really unflattering light.

>>9910540
Kimono ita (beyond the weeb in a bathrobe level) is harder to call out unless they are just making blatantly bad kitsuke mistakes. Purists still adhere to seasonality and proper kitsuke but deliberate rule breaks for style and things like kimono hime and wearing yukata ‘oiran style’ like Sweet Angel shows are kind of subjective. Also there is the problem of not many here actually being experienced enough to critique. I can see it quickly devolving into a free for all.
Might be fun.
The opposite of iki is busui or I guess more rudely and direct, yabo.

Ok, I’ll admit that Bodyline has improved over the years, but this one...yikes. The lace looks horrible! Also the tags. Like, I get you’re trying to advertise that you sell both cosplay and lolita, but this is just perpetuating misconceptions to newbies that lolita is cosplay.

>>9910552
>>9910323

Actually, I don’t agree. I don’t think she has an unfortunate face at all.

She’s fat enough that her chin disappeared, which means she’s packing fat in her facial/neck area. So if she loses weight and that comes off, her face shape will change. Which means losing weight **will** help her look better, or at least give her her chin back.

Second, that goddamn fucking wig that she just slaps on and then shoves the fringe to either side. Who the fuck can look good when your forehead becomes a triangle and your face shape is cut off by some wedge of hair near your eyes?

Third, those pink mushy messes under her eyes. Like seriously, this girl needs to go back to basics, like shaping her brows and doing some little contouring. Makeup is supposed to be about looking better, makeup isn’t about drawing shitty pink crayon messes on your face.

See, her face alone is not as unfortunate as you think. Most of it is bad decisions and half-assing that makes her look bad.

As for her actual coord, short sleeves with fat arms are a mistake. (semi-)opaque long sleeves, so that people can’t tell which part of the sleeve is empty and which part contains your fat arm, is the right way to go. You’ve already pointed out her petticoat problem. She’s also shoehorning pinks that don’t match and hoping the insta filter covers it up, but even with the filter you can see her pink accessories match the sa.ku.ra. dress on the left much better than her own dress.

I think it’s misleading and actually a little mean to write off a fat girl as “unfortunate, nothing she can do”. If they just put in some little effort and pay attention to what they’re doing, they don’t have to spend the rest of their lives looking like shit and being made fun of, most of them can actually look very nicely put together if they put in the effort.

>>9910618
Both of the wigs look cheap, but other than that, the left one could be an interesting coord with proper lolita shoes, and the right one could be ok without the random splashes of black. If bittersweet is what you’re trying to achieve, the black and pastel need to be well balanced. If you can’t do that properly, just go with sweet.

>>9910648

New thread

>>9910113
>Fat acceptation is f*cking cancer
Typical esl opinion

>>9910615
i know someone who wore that on her wedding

>>9910516
sauce on dress pls

>>9910518
put them all together and you almost have 1 person with good taste

>>9909964
Not gonna lie, I love sack dresses, but I would be humiliated if I wore them because I had a 90 cm + bust/waist

>>9910168
sack dresses are cute anon and if you have slender legs no one will mistake you for a fatty chan

>>9910014
Vanity sizing. I'm a britbong solid 8 or sometimes a 10 around the shoulders because I lift, which is slim but hardly scary skinny, in fact I'd say for the 1980s and before the obesity epidemic hit full swing it would be smackdab average.

Anyway, a UK size 8 would be a U.S. 4, which is the size I go for when I buy vintage stuff from back in the nineties. But these days at the GAP? They put me in the xxxs or 000 size range, it's like every couple of months I go a couple sizes down there while my old clothes fit the same. I'm 5'7 so there are hordes of women more petite than I am, they have to go with xxxxs, xxxxxs? Where will it end? It's no wonder someone who's obese thinks she fits an M when vanity sizing is completely out of control.

>>9909996
Agreed. You can choose Lolita, or you can chose cake and the eventual heart, kidney, and liver failure (not kawaii) that comes with it. You can only have Lolita and cake if you have some measure of some control and eat it as an occasional treat, and not whole sheet cakes from Costco as a snack or pre-breakfast.

>>9910014
I think you are forgetting that these girls will squeeze themselves into anything strong enough to hold in their rolls, so to them a medium sounds about right. It won't fit them well but if it technically fits they will wear it. I have had fat friends try and get me to try on and buy pants/shirts that were way to small on me and sort of uncomfortable to wear but they swore items looked good on me and wanted me to get them.

>>9910618
This post made me cringe so hard. And the fact that they have a vlog (or podcast or whatever) and are sharing "advice" with others just makes me want to barf.