/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I wish they had just done the look on the lolita girl instead of the uncomfortable looking model/cosplayer. She doesn't really contribute anything by being there.

>>9880695
>not using the model to model
wat
Not sure what your issue is, the model isn't supposed to contribute anything but look good in the aesthetic assigned to them, and she does.

>>9880179
this photo is so unflattering. the hair is pushing her eyelash down, and her neck looks huge.

>>9880727
Plus her left eye looks kinda red

Do videos like this count? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqE0Ut8mPXs
I always think it's funny how the time periods named as lolita's inspiration differ from one video to another; Victorian, sure, but where did Edwardian come from?
There's also this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l7k_6vmMdM
>17th century Rococo
I swear this bothers me more than any wonky description of the fashion they come up with.

>>9880695
This >>9880697, chill on the vendetta anon. Isn't the whole point of the video a "transformation" anyways?

>>9880736
Never seen the second video, their reactions to it were really nice.

Housewife option, calling housewife-chan

>>9880733
Iirc she had to wear her lenses for the entire 10 or so hours that they were filming because they didn't know what parts of the footage they wanted to use, which is why she looked so tired and her eyes were so red by the end.

>>9880761
>small criticism is a "vendetta!!!1"
is it summer already or are you always this braindead

>>9881104
How is >>9880695 criticism?

>>9880695
She’s a lolita cosplayer and seagull lmao.

>>9880695
She looks perfectly fine and comfortable. It’s not like they used some middle-aged balding man or a soccer mom.

>>9881170
Her eyes are bloodshot and she looks like she's about to cry

>>9881104
Considering that no one in this thread knows who Zekia is or that this video has already been posted here a million times, it's definitely already summer.

>>9881189
>no one in this thread knows who she is
>other post says she’s a cosplayer which isn’t anywhere in the video
Sure anon.

>>9881263
>one post in the entire thread
>e-everyone knows her!
sasuga summerfags

>>9880695
She's the top comment on the video, she says she is just tired after the long bleaching process

>>9881283
>clearly some people know who she is since they're supplying outside information about her
>UHH YOU'RE SAYING EVERYONE KNOWS HER??? S-SUMMERFAG!!!!!!111!!!
Are you a retard, or is your vendetta just clouding your mind?

>>9881189
nayrt but some people just aren't religious about visiting this chan every day to soak up information about some random model? or don't find that information worth remembering, anyways.
idk i'm old and maybe this is just the alzheimers starting to kick in

>>9880695
well if she is a run way model, they are taught to be very straight faced unless they are at a photo shoot. Run way models are supposed to be very slender and very straight faced so the focus on the run way is the outfit and not the girl wearing it.

With the overabundance of "lolita documentaries", and the occasional terrible ones, they don't make cringe docs like they used to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aHPwF4Rxs
The "director" of this one tries her damn best to force the "Nabokov's lolita" perspective, commenting on bloomers and drawers being "sexy" (while filming the girls getting dressed; I always thought that was sketchy) to asking random men who see the girls in public if they're attracted to them. The girls in it handled it surprisingly well, at least.

>>9887397
She's not an actual model. And do you know how hard it is to become a runway model?
Sage because this is the dumbest reply in the entire thread.

>>9887498
Oh shit this is my comm. I'm scared to watch it, especially after reading your description. I honestly don't know if people in general think we're trying to be sexy or not, though I have encountered men who wanted to know if I was "one of those Japanese sex dolls".

>>9887505
Not everyone is as obsessed with her as you, vendetta-chan.

>>9887720
I say watch it, it's cringey because of the director desperately forcing some sort of narrative that just isn't there, but the girls were very careful with what they chose to say so otherwise it's not that bad.
The gothic lolita with the hime cut and giant platforms makes my heart flutter, she's lovely.

I'll dump a few

>Lolitas of Amsterdam
https://youtu.be/zV3OtzUwcPg

>Vice:
https://youtu.be/DKg8kl_fFuk

>The Feed
https://youtu.be/KD19NMGYN0M

>Sugar Coated
https://youtu.be/W0QSyv8tEgg

>Ellen Smith
https://youtu.be/S_DYt_Wp7LY

>NOLA lolitas (film project)
https://youtu.be/nM_kU6VihGY

>Fusion
https://youtu.be/FwnmGod0OqM

>Icon Network
https://youtu.be/mce9JfGXsF8

>>9880736
aww. I wanna go back to Tokyo. idk how cameras make Maison de Julietta look bigger than it really is.

>RIP Swimmer

>>9888043
I think the NOLA video doesn't count, afaik the community made it so it's not a normie video about lolita.
Anyway,

>Ellen Smith
>IT'S NOT A FETISH
>interviewing girls who aren't lolitas about a style they don't wear anymore
>nearly everyone is hideously ita
>constantly pressing the "IT'S NOT A FETISH" concept instead of talking about what the fashion actually is
>including a seemingly inbred "brolita"
Yikes

Barcroft just posted a new vid https://youtu.be/PUuUIHsJaiM

>>9880179
>heeeey guys, it's me David
Stopped the video there. I fucking hate it when men act so feminine because I know it's a fucking act. I have two friends who are drag queens and they do not act like this unless they're out in public. In private they just act like guys without the gay voice etc.

>>9888043
That fucking The Feed SBS video...God damn I hate the Australian accent so fucking much. They all sound so damn lower class.

>When I wear lurrleeta

>>9888262
Wow chill the fuck out lol

>>9888266
It's just so horrible knowing that I sound like shit.

Not a video, but I remember very clearly reading an article about lolita in the WSJ as a high schooler.

https://egl.livejournal.com/1458771.html is the article for anyone interested.

For some reason it turned me off back then. Looking at it now, the writer is still somewhat condescending the way most people in the late 2000s viewed 'that gosh darned crazy Japan,' but the article is a lot more uplifting than I remembered it to be.

>>9888267
It’s ok. I actually love the Australian accent. I’m American though and hate ours.

i wanted to share this one, not lolita related but it is cgl related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wsk3Oa_3F8

>>9888269
>https://egl.livejournal.com/1458771.html

"heya kitties" off to a good start already, sigh.

>>9888270
>tfw no american cutie with a soft-spoken southern accent to soothe me after I realise I sound like lower class scum

>>9888278
Let me love you anon

>>9888294
please do

>>9888276

Ignore the poster, but the article while being more neutral for its time is still very condescending. I don't like hugbox culture today but at the very least they try not to treat lolita like a circus show freak.

>>9887498
This show was meant to make fun of people. No sane person would voluntarily participate in it. But our comm leader at that time kicked on being on TV, so she gave herself up for every TV show there was! She actually participated in this TV show 2 times! (Because obviously she didn’t learn from the first time.) She would also always ask us to participate in it as well, but we did learn. (Second time is most likely on her YouTube account as well, just as her other TV appearences.)

But yeah, this TV show was kind of there to make fun of autistic and socially akward people and outsiders as well. You can’t expect anything else from them than this. All their videos always have the most cringy comments from the commentators.

Posted in the general bc I figured this thread devolved into shit posting about Zekia but

Australia's Next Top Model did a Japanese kawaii fashion challenge :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x40wbmo

>no attention on gothic or classic lolitas ever, it's always sweet lolitas in the spotlight
Really makes you think huh

>>9888595
I thought the Gyaru one was so boring and normie. The Lolita and Fairy kei one tried, the school girl didn’t do anything special, so she wasn’t really worth remembering, but the Fairy kei girl should have won. She really got the spirit.

>>9888598
It's because goth has been seen a done in so many different ways by so many different fashion subcultures. Classic is, well classic. It's kind of dull.

Sweet lolita is very in your face.

>>9888595
I actually thought that was pretty cute. I agree with >>9888609 though. The gyaru walk wasn’t anything super crazy like the lolita or fairy kei either. I also agree fairy kei should have one bc you could tell she was feeling it (at least for the show).

>>9888595
The models were being so snotty about everything after those girls had to style and do hair and makeup for them

>>9887498
>tfw girls from LJ comm
omg, it's been awhile! I wonder if they still into fashion

>>9888466
Thank you for clarifying! I do remember this girl from back in the day (the one who runs that youtube channel); is/was she your comm leader? I remember she ran a shop in the Netherlands that was an official retailer of some of the Japanese brands. Somehow I'm not surprised to learn that she insisted on appearing on shows like this, not once but twice.
The girls in the video did handle it pretty well but it's good to know they avoided making a second appearance on this shitshow.

>>9888795
Oh wow, is that this girl? >>9887758 I thought it was her platforms that made her so tall but she looks really tall in this shot. Still hella cute tho.

>>9888795
This girl isn’t into lolita anymore. Last I heard she had turned into a LotR elf, but that was a few years ago.

>>9888902
>>9888817
Yes shes an LOTR elf now. Also, wasn't she the girl that did the graveyard shoot everyone wanked about? I think she was also a singer who went by the name Scarlet Penta

>>9888133
>When I dress up it's a little bit like it's a character
I want to like these videos, I really do, but somehow they always end up make alt fashion people look unhinged.

>>9889345
This. Every damn time.

>>9888595
>mfw misako aoki on australian tv
i feel so proud of my country

>>9888946
Yeah she and her friend did a photohoot lounging on graves.

>>9889345
Unhinged people make for more interesting tv I guess. Even if the person is actually sane, all it takes is a single brainfart or manipulative question and boom, the program makers have a soundbite to take out of context and exploit to manufacture drama or make you look crazy. You really have to be on your toes when participating in programs like this. Most normal lolitas don’t think it’s worth it which is why you mostly get clueless itas doing it instead.

Admittedly this was made by a lolita (I think?) but oh lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU0o0MbsYWU
>gratuitous upskirt shots
>peeking petticoats everywhere
>closeups on garbage junk food
>browsing cosplay shit
>this strange, unrelated closeup
>tfw lolitas make lolita fashion look like garbage

>>9888598
This is bad why, exactly?

>>9880736
Ugh I always roll my eyes so hard when people say lolita is "feminist". It's clothes. Yes it's not clothes that guys typically find attractive but I wouldn't call it some big political statement for fucks sake.

>>9888598
Sweet gained a lot of popularity in the last two decades, you can find more emphasis on gothic lolita in older videos. This one is an excerpt from an interview with Mana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntaBQy1Crp8 that also features talk about gothic lolita and shots of lolitas (sweet ones too) at Moi Dix Mois' concerts. Whatever strange impression normies get of lolita fashion, I'd honestly rather it be like this.

>>9890411
It(and many other j-fashions) literally started as a political statement of not wanting to conform to Japanese society's expectations for women but ok

>>9890450
You can say that about nearly any fashion trend (e.g. short hair, mini skirts, boob-tubes). It's conception doesn't necessarily make itself readily available to a political cause.
A more brash assumption would be to say she speaks for why everyone adopted Lolita.

End of the day its just an article of clothing

>>9891513
you know short hair on women WAS a political statement right

>>9891513
I dont know if lolita specifically is for feminism but jfashion in general is meant to go against japan's strict conformist standards so I don't think it's unreasonable to say that lolita originated as a political statement (though idk if it's true).

>>9890398
Have you watched any of the videos that were posted?

>>9890416
Same. I distinctly remember first noticing the public opinion shift in my country from
>like goths that also come in pink, creepy and weird, possibly Satanists
to
>mentally ill girls that age regress and try to appeal to pedophiles
and boy howdy did I prefer the former. This shift happened years before the current ageplay/ddlg trend by the way, and I partly blame the lolitas in my comm who kept participating in these kinds of “documentaries” because they’d say stuff like how lolita is about escapism and feeling like an innocent child again. And of course they all had mental illnesses and half the episode would focus on that as the reason why they wear lolita.

>>9891777
Christ. Do these videos exist? I'll readily admit I'm morbidly curious to see this shitshow.

>>9891777
Are you from the UK because I feel like lots of these opinions comes from the way jfashion girls (especially those into sweet) have been portrayed on makeunder shows.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/uncategorized/3148446/woman-who-dressed-like-a-five-year-old-to-hide-the-pain-of-being-bullied-finally-sheds-her-garish-wig-and-dresses-in-stunning-transformation/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/fairy-princess-who-dresses-like-10078096

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5386163/Woman-28-dressed-like-DOLL-gets-amazing-makeover.html

>>9891802
The girl in the first two was also featured on Barcroft a few months ago; good to know she's milking her 15 minutes of fame to throw us all under the bus. And I've never seen the second one and I kind of regret subjecting myself to it.
Not to imply that terrible docs have never been made anywhere else (see the Netherlands up thread) but what the fuck is going on in the UK?

>>9889365
you clearly didn't watch the whole thing where some aussie called lolita shit and made misako cry. be ashamed of your country.

>>9891829
Didn't Misako cry because she didn't win the competition?

>>9891802
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5386163/Woman-28-dressed-like-DOLL-gets-amazing-makeover.html
She wasn't the pinnacle of lolita fashion before this "makeover" by any means, but are normies seriously this retarded? Nothing about this bizarrely stumpy, frumpy look is "sophisticated".

>>9889365
Don’t be the models were fake as fuck just in it for themselves

>>9891815
Man, fuck this girl. If i ever see her in r/l I don't know if i would be able to contain the cringe that i feel within.

>>9891802
God I hate those shows they're just normies normiefying people to fit their own standards.
Sometimes the guest style is a disaster ngl but jfc they give them such boring,normie makeovers. Why ditch jfash if that makes you happy? Idk

>>9891802
>>9891777
Do people actually know enough about lolita/jfashion to even have a preconception? I think most lolitas forget that most people don't even know what it is...and if they do, they tend to think it's a costume or an anime thing

>>9891802
The first girl appeared in This Morning too, then when it was shared to Rufflechat she appeared to fish for compliments. She tried to make herself look like victim then people clued on she was bulshitting and was promptly kicked.

These shows scout through Facebook and either lie who they are or offer it for exposure. E-fame wannabes sign up for anything though.

>>9892131
A lot of people who approach me about the clothes I’m wearing already know that it’s called lolita, but reactions vary between “cute costume” and “so this means you’re really kinky, right”? My wardrobe is entirely IW and Axes Femme. Preconceptions have more to do with someone’s own views and life experiences than with the thing the preconceptions are about.

>>9892223
Yikes. Where do you live? Has your country seen some exceedingly unfortunate representations of the fashion in the media or something?

>>9892283
I live in one of the countries mentioned upthread. Yeah, we’ve had way too many cringy media mentions and at least half the population loves “Look at these freaks, let’s make fun of them!” style programs. One time my coworkers started talking about lolita out of the blue and they all agreed that lolitas are mentally ill girls with daddy issues. That was a fun day. They hate goths and emo’s, too.

>>9888278
Well come on down and I'll make you some sweet tea, sugar

>>9892420
>They hate goths and emo’s, too.
In that case they're probably just biased against subcultures and alt fashion in general, not necessarily lolita specifically. It does suck though, I'm sorry this is your situation, anon.
Sorry this is OT, but how do you react to people asking if you're kinky because of your frills? Don't know if you've tried this but acting oblivious tends to do the trick, even more so if you look visibly bothered.
>Kinky? What do you mean? Please don't talk to me about your sex life, I don't know you
It can make the person who approached you like this feel embarrassed for themselves, as they should be.

>>9880179
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUuUIHsJaiM

Not lolita, but general J-fashion

>>9898422
It was posted up thread; still wish I could like it but something about the way she was presented made her come off a bit mental, not entirely sure what it is.

>>9898499
Oh, sorry for bumping a dead thread then. I felt the same way about the video.

Popping in with something a little older:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daUWU2C9yFo
Featuring Nana Kitade, a[n Angelic] Pretty store sign, and an unexpectedly tolerant and respectful presenter.

Also, this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU0t8J-nDHE
Which is incredibly silly and over the top in its presentation and attitude imo, and I actually like the lifestyle concept.

Kind of related because of I Do Declare
https://youtu.be/NupQF_Ekvjw

>>9890381
Oh no, I remember these.

https://youtu.be/8lWqHy8zv8U

Taylor R's vlog about the miel shoot