/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9872045
Wow that pic is awful lol, let’s do promo pictures in a dingy alley with a car in the background

So Guangzhou's local con just finished about a week ago and the FFACG have two difference cover dance performance types to counter saturation. One specifically for Love Live and the other for general Vocaloid and anime OST songs

Love Live:

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av22872273?

And a couple of the performances from the non-LL version of the contest

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av22892780?
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av22945851?
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av22903463?

Gonna drop some recent videos to get conversation going. I swear one day when I don't suck so bad, I'll keep up on my net-idol news blog, I promise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YgGOXxtnbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VR6vWYSbuI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekMKpogOEOo

Thoughts on this? They mentioned graduation, so I suppose they're not going to try and make the oldest members juggle college and idol stuff. What will Stellure look like without Mimi running everything?

>>9873760
read the comments, retard. they’re still in the group, just not as active now

>>9873853
So why are they calling it a graduation? Thats not what graduations are lmao

>>9873881
they're saying that the actual people playing the characters Astra, Nix and Mimi are literally graduating from high school

>>9873853
Sorry for not sorting through every ass kissing comment they get on their stuff before daring to post here. They called it a graduation, and it's reasonable to interpret that as an idol graduation since, ya know, they're an idol group. My fucking bad, holy shit

>>9873898
but in the idol world when you said you are "graduating" you are leaving the group. It's normal the confusion they make.

>>9873853
>>9873898
Daily reminder that your the reason why Stellure fans get a bad reputation for being delusional and batshit crazy.

>>9873853
Where in the comments does it say that? I can't find any clarification either way.

>>9874259

>>9874308
Thanks! I think that comment was buried in the "previous comments" section, and I could have sworn I read them all but I guess not. I did not realize that the almost-invisible grey button to expand comments was there. :)

>>9873760

I read it as Princess Viagra.

>>9874308
College, especially during you're GE years, isn't even that hard. It's a breeze compared to high school. Perhaps they will be more active then they realize

>>9873881
>>9874142
>>9874221
>people proved me wrong on 4chan time to strawman and samefag to make myself look even more autistic
>>9874550
honestly it’s probably an attempt to escape on their behalf — they’ve realized it’s too much work and college is the best excuse to have long hiatuses between songs

>>9874667

Hi I'm only one of the three comments you quoted. So, you're wrong. Not sure why people like you feel the need to cry "samefag" when this situation wouldn't even call for it.

new to the thread, I dont know if this cover has been shared yet

https://youtu.be/IVqKJ8qycss

>>9874735
The second half of that is original choreography, right? It's arranged pretty well. I really adore that Hanamaru. I wish Dia would not only be more expressive, but would stand with her feet fully together when the choreo calls for it. It's a problem with overweight dancers where if they're not paying attention to it, they space their feet wider more than others. It just looks awkward and draws attention to her size.

>>9874735
Why must you curse my eyes, anon?
This is a very classic case of what happens when people with zero dance experience try to choreograph. It's overall awkward, boring, and repetitive.

>>9874735
Why even post this? There are so many other better covers, unless it is for cringe.

I really hate it when people walk on stage during a dance! you can idol step, skip, spin, anything but walk.
what's with that fight nonsense, it is totally out of character and makes no sense.
They need to work on appropriate characterization when dancing.

Final thoughts: lack luster and not even worth posting as cringe. mediocre.

>>9874968

Watching cringe can actually be very educational, you learn first hand what not to do.
I was watching a LL panel the other day and honestly only two members conducted themselves properly this. While Nico was dancing a solo Kotori was mimicking arm movements from her dance class which is just rude.
A lot of the girls just sat there looking miserable, Umi was laughing at the Rin (who was mvp next to Nico). They hadn't done a sound test so the first few songs only has the backing music and no vocals. Also nobody had tested their costumes prior to that day. Kotori had to take her skirt off mid-dance because it was too big and Nozomi was petrified to move as her top inched it's way down - as a result she was lifeless and another good reason everyone should have basic sewing skills even if you buy everything.

This is only a handful of sins I noticed. I won't post them since it'd feel harsh to do that but so much can be learned from witnessing the mistakes of others. I don't even get why Hanamaru and Ruby are the ones to be featured during the break down, isn't the song meant to be Ruby and Dia focused?

>>9874735
what the hell is with you Australian people and wanting to start drama about LL cosplayers there...
>>9874968
I agree Anon but at least they did try to skip for some parts.

Try something better to cringe at anon, there are way worse dancers than this.they look like they're having fun

>>9874735
I'm really surprised that the original choreography is far better than the odotemitta part. They should do only original choreography.

hey hey~
I just bought a gymnastics ribbon! Any other dances other than DenDenPassion I could have a go at~?

If only these people took the initative to take real singing and dancing classes, they would get their moneys worth, develop better skills, and become less prone to being an embarrassing cringfest.

https://www facebook com/MyIdolAcademy/videos/1997071333955087/

Also, why change perfectly good choreography to shit like this? Did they even learn anything about basic choreography and not just copy and paste simple, boring moves from love live songs?

>>9875370

The worst part about this is the BiliBili performances shows how good can LoveLive Covers get when the girls practice and demonstrate traits of a professional performer. I mean anime cons in china have actual LL! Cover competition with prizes

https://m.bilibili.com/video/av22872273.html#page=22

I know a lot of the LL groups do it for fun. But competitiveness may be needed encourage genuine improvement. Especially if they are professional odottemita dancers and choreographers serving as judges

>>9874735
This was just sad to watch

>>9875745
The problem is that good dancing asks a lot of the person's body. It isn't just mimicking a screen,there are a lot of subtle movements involved that require you to be in control of your whole body. As a fatty-chan myself, I know that people who are overweight lack this (most of the time.)
Dancing is a sport. It requires exercise, stamina and muscle control. A lot of people who decide to perform an idol dance in my country lack this.

>>9876357

What has weight got to do with anything? There's just as many crappy skinny girls as there are for heavier one. Don't sell yourself or your heavier peers short.
They're often the ones who work harder because they have to prove themselves.

It comes down to the person and their willingness to invest time into their craft, just like anything else - then taking the time to review as they progress. You can't simply learn a dance without watching it yourself and think it's acceptable to present to an audience.

A lot of these girls who have never danced a day in their lives to a pre-choreographed routine or without formal training seem to think that a week spent on a dance or less will get them the best standard. Guess what? That's rarely ever the case.
Girls in actual dance comps i.e not weeb shit, will learn their routines for months ahead of a comp and focus only on that and there's a good reason for it. On the other hand you have groups wanting to get as much 'content' out as humanly possible and churning out less than stellar results.

People who know their bodies and what movements give what effect are capable of this, so I agree with your point about figuring out your body first, but this isn't something you're granted from the beginning and time is your best friend in this case.

I'll give you an example in my next post...

>>9876382

Cont.

Just last night I was teaching my partner a portion of a dance (for the sake of argument its the chorus of a LL dance which are so easy to begin with I wonder why people suck so badly at them anyway.) because they have been interested in learning.
They have a condition that screws with their flexibility and movement range so they wanted to try and see if they can build some strength.
Ten minutes into learning the piece and walking them through it I filmed what they'd done so far. I then showed it to them and asked them where they thought they went wrong.
They point out particular areas, I agree and add on a few other things that they could potentially work on. After that I made them go back and do it again with the new changes.
I filmed them without telling them and they nail all of the points we listed together and it already looks a million times better than a lot of these amateur groups technique (confidence and stage presence aside, because they're not interested in that.)

I doubt that any of these groups even bother to do that, and I think even less have access to a mirror big enough to check themselves as a group. They want a quick result but they don't care about the work needed to be put in.

I was in a few groups and I would search the internet for hours for the best reference to learn from and work on the dance every night without fail. We'd meet up once a month and a lot of the girls had the nerve to only start looking at it the night before and then ask for someone else to teach them parts, and cry when they looked awful.

Another problem that we have is that a lot of these Asian groups are probably know each other personally and can meet up regularly. Whereas America, Eurogulls etc are usually scattered and cant work on it multiple times a week because they can't afford the travel and studio rental costs.

I do commend those who try, but there are a lot of things stacked against these groups, not all of them are up to the task.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeEilNTJR1Q

They seem like they're doing pretty good

>>9877613
You’re joking right? This was the most boring thing I’ve ever seen

>>9877613

I just checked their FB - God help us all because they're going to try and do original chorography.

Also the outfits they're wearing, I see a lot of groups do the white dress with the coloured ribbon, is it a reference from a real idol outfit or something? I really wish they'd decided to go all white or all white or no tights for all of them. The mismatched look doesn't work at all.

>>9877613
Dances like this are only meaningful if the person is also singing. They're intentionally low-energy so that the person can focus their power into their voice. If you're not even singing what's the point of covering this? It doesn't have any difficult or interesting choreo, so it's not showing any skills off.

>>9877614
I mean for a first time kind of thing like yeah they can do better in many departments but I definitely have seen worse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa4q8X4s0I

>>9877634
>>9877613
god help us all

>>9877634
why did she assume everyone wanted to see a closeup of her face for half the video

>>9877657
Good question lol

>>9877657
Maybe to help advertise a gofundme to get her braces

>>9875364
Leah? Lmao

>>9877613
The best part of that vid was lucas the spider

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9MreErUXQ24

>>9877784
>why is anon linking a regular idol group?
>hear the strained singing
>I see, it's an amateur group. anon wants to show us even pro groups in japan sound rough at first!
>oh... it's a voiceover cover

>>9877816
>not realizing right away it's a cover
The accent is really strong.

>>9877816
Kobushi Factory is not an amateur group...

>>9877613
This may be boring as fuck. But at least they did it well. I think this is the most in sync they've ever been. They need to continue to stick with easy, but less boring, stuff before they try their own choreo/harder dances.
I'm actually kinda proud. It's the little victories I guess.

Why copy Stellure? Popularity =/= quality

>>9878176
Jesus Christ.

>>9878178
They’re young so it’s understandable that they’re cringy, but still...

>>9878176
I say let them have their cringy fun. They're obviously very young, I'm sure most of us have been through this stage. Sure, let's poke fun at them and kids like them, but we should never post comments on their actual page or direct hate towards them.

>>9878179
but why (badly drawn on) bandori art? they're bands, not idols

>>9878230

It's the new cancer.

>>9878179
they're 14, it's just kids, don't be bad people.

>>9878176
Honestly who cares? They're not going to get even close to the point of releasing content and they're just little kids roleplaying as idols. This shit doesn't belong in this thread.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=iBJR_vUjxqQ
Oh god she made a full version

>>9878388
The comments are disabled on the video , boy I wonder why

>>9877784
It's a pretty hard song to sing, I think she did a good job. But why is it on a net idol thread? Jw

Has someone decided to go after One Wish? I see someones posted a One Wish cover and then proceeded to share two solo covers of two of their members...someone is searching...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDifoYkzw7c
how does vicky manage to be so fucking annoying?

>>9878479
wrong video, meant to post https://youtu.be/IJlyu-m2TnA

>>9878480
I have a feeling they're trying to look ~quirky and fun~ like Noora & Petra

Speaking of things that don’t belong, how does a cover group fit into an Idol festival?

>>9878475

It isn't as uncommon as you think. After seeing the first one it can be a knee-jerk reaction to look at their other videos to see if everything is on the same level, better or worse.
They can then potentially find more material they feel is worth sharing for whatever reason.

I wouldn't worry, they're nothing special and not really worth 'going after'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tadawv4MlUw

Opinions? They seem to have a theme with the ever-changing camera angle

>>9878546
Are you either jealous or don't understand that majoirty of the idols in every US idol showcase is a cover group?

>>9878546
maybe to have something familiar there for people who don't know about real idols

>>9878667
Not jealous, just an honest question because when I think idol show I think actual singing and performing, not cosplaying and doing the same dance 1800 other people have done. >>9878682 makes sense imo because otherwise what’s the point?

>>9878697
Wasn’t there backlash for this crap at ikkicon as well.?

>>9878697
If they limited it to only performers that sing and dance, especially their own content, the festivals would have almost no participants. I can really only think of a few solo and group net-idols that are decent at actually singing and performing live, and they don't live anywhere close. Allowing low-effort cosplay and cover groups to dance for these idol shows gives them the participants and audience they need to justify their existence.

Beyond that, it seems to come down to an "original vs fanart" thing, with the fan "art" being the cosplay cover groups. People in general tend to get more excited about things they already recognize. Songs they know the chants to, characters they already like. The amount of effort that goes into original content is so much more than the amount of effort it takes to recreate something that already exists, and the payoff is much less. Original idols don't get fans because they have to start from scratch with a fanbase, whereas Love Live already has millions of fans all over the world, dozens of readily available outfits you can buy from Taobao, and professionally-produced catchy tunes. What original indie/amateur could compare with their own content? I don't much like the situation either, but I understand why groups like this get so much attention. The audience needs to change for anything else to be able to change.

>>9878480
kind of unrelated but this video reminded me of a video i wanna rewatch but cant find. it was a group of japanese girls in outfits kinda like these on a street in japan dancing in a line and interacting at points of the dance? it was very well done and proffessional. does anyone know what im talking about?

https://youtu.be/H_8MgAHTCaQ

Surprised this hasn’t been posted yet but compared to their other song, this seems a lot better and the lyrics are understandable. Music is still shit but Akaya (the one with the blonde) seems to have a pretty put together voice.

>>9873753
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VR6vWYSbuI
Their timing is good but their Nozomi looks absolutely clueless

>>9878776
Eh I dislike this song more because they both look so awkward. I don't hate Jazi's voice but it sounds like the mixer autotuned and processed the living crap out of her in this and it's very bad. She did the same thing in her solo original song, it was very overprocessed.

https://youtu.be/nMG-e-an6Y4

Was looking for Sakkaku Crossroads covers on YT, to see other interpretations. This is the only cover I’ve found besides the one I learned from. Why the awkward rond de jambes??

>>9878747
I could be totally wrong but the first thing that came to my mind was Pinku Invasion.

https://youtu.be/9W_O2f2o9ZE

>>9878776
I find it so hard to listen to this mainly because of the video and how hard it is to listen to the brunette's singing voice after the blonde one sings so well

>https://youtu.be/9o3tOVvzwmc
kek

>>9878834

In ugg boots.

>>9878776
neither has a good voice. they're struggling to support their voices which means they're not singing from the core of their diaphragm. It sounds breathy and forced and underdeveloped. Their dancing is so awkward; they need to practice being ON camera.

The awkward cuts just scream "We couldn't dance for more than 10 seconds straight without messing something up"

https://www facebook com/PlatinumHappy/videos/1037125239781142/

Time you'll never get back. The sheryl an ranka did the same dance moves the whole time which rustled my jimmies

>>9879679
>>9878834

they couldn't dance for more than ten seconds with Eli going off camera desu

>>9879692

I don't know what to complain about, the shit camera quality, the cringy dances or just how out of position/sync a lot of the performances are.

On the bright side, non love live dances

>>9878737

I'm totally okay with Idol Festivals letting people who just do dance covers in. Like you said, there's just not enough groups out there making original content, or even singing at all, to exclude them.

However, I prefer it when they limit the number of LL! groups. Like others have mentioned, I'm so sick of sitting through mediocre at best LL! dance covers.

>>9878388
i thought it couldn't get any worse but then she opened her mouth
ugh

>>9877613
Wow this is boring as shit. And the dance is so easy, basically every 8 year old could do it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tW7x2cMSuQ
thoughts?

>>9879935
Bad choice of location, worst possible combination of dancers in One Wish alone. Such different levels and styles of dance (lazy, too stiff/awkward, and ok but not confident). Grace really shouldn’t be dancing unless she intents I’m putting some effort into dances and appearance.

>>9879936
Typo. Intends on not intends I’m.

>>9879935
They aren't mouthing the words. The random zoom ins are very odd. The long haired chick looks like she doesn't want to be there. The spacing looks off in later half of video. They need more practice

does anyone know when the winner of the overseas idol competition will be announced? i cant really tell whos going to win from the entries

>>9879935
The editing needs to be more smoother and the big girl at the end needs to put more energy into her dances

this isn't terrible, but I really don't like how the top looks on her, it seems like it's a little too big and it looks kind of awkward

>>9879935
CRINGE

>>9879971
Is that supposed to be mari’s summer song outfit?

>>9879971
The fit is unflattering, makes it look like she painted a granny bra or something

>>9879783

I think they need seperate standard cover dances with LL Cover groups like how Chinese and japanese cons do it. And even then the LL! Dance covers in the Chinese Cons have higher bars of entry to seperate the chaff from the wheat.

Take the FFACG covers seen here >>9873382. The groups covering it had energy, high standards and different ways to seperate themselves from other groups. Aside from Mirai Tocket the groups doing love live covers all did different songs or styled themselves dofferently. They avoided repetition so fans dont get fatigued hearing the same song. The average Love Live Cover performance will do the same song wherever it is Insert Bibi Song here, Kaguya or whatever. The end result is usually all the groups performing the same cover at the same venue.

>>9880026

I think she's making the outfits for their new song.

>>9880026
it's an original costume design, here's what it's supposed to look like

>>9880029
the pattern isn't doing her much of a favor either

>>9880052
I really like the pattern actually. I love soft watercolor stuff like that.

Honestly if she had actually done the top like the drawing it’d look fine

>>9880076
yeah it's cute in the drawing, but in real life...

>>9880045
i wonder what it would be like if we had idol festivals where you had to audition to perform for them in western countries.

>>9878462
Cause isn’t it an idol song? And she’s covering it. It’s not unreasonable for it to be on here lmao

Linking some more videos.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx-Rla-zeAU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ_pEjKv6xw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLs03lRwpP8

has everyone seen this? its so amazing,this is the closest i've seen of a Chika doing the flip right. I so wish to have a group like that, too bad there are bitches and drama around where i am plus some cant dance with enough energy and passion....

>>9880176
ohhh their ruby + kanaan are adorable! this editing is really nice too ... i get so excited to see that end part filmed well because it's so cute in the original so major props to sunrise

iirc i think aqu<3rius did the flip well too? but i'll have to go back and rewatch

>>9880176
Love Live Sunrise is probably my favorite LL cover group! They had a kinda rough start but have improved tons in the time they've been active. My biggest gripe with them has been the camera work for some of their videos - for a while they were using this rocking motion for their covers that made me literally nauseous to watch (like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEO1CJr2Q7k).). It seems they finally found a videographer that knows what they're doing.

>>9880187
whoops, linked their static dance mirror instead of the nauseating one. Here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhTjEKKtqls

>>9880115

The idol showcases do that but the barrier to entry is not high enough

Another problem is most cons are community based, the staff dont want to start drama by saying no and rejecting them to an outdoor guerrilla live show often looks disappointing and mediocre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0QEN4qF_vU

has anyone talked about interlunium? i haven't seen them mentioned in the past few net idol threads - i think its cool that they have their single in diff languages other than jp and en (having it in korean!) ... very smart and the lyrics don't seem forced to fit the rhythm in the english version so that's cool too

>>9872713
Fairly certain they only took those photos before a show, not as promo.

Does anyone have any information on the ANGERME contest? I haven't been able to find any!

>>9880147

The Mari was the only one worth watching. You's make up was disgusting and was unable to stay in sync with the others and Ruby looks dangerously thin.

>>9880222
They were talked about before and during the debut but they haven’t done anything news worthy since other than starting a kickstarter for over $10,000 to fund their second single.

>>9880244
>10,000
>for a single
jesus christ almighty at least produce like an EP or mini-album or something for all that cash

>>9878747
don't think is this video but looks really professional and interacts a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPk0Qj6pSQk

>>9880223
hope I can explain myself because I'm not very good in english.
The winner of this contest will be the opening act before the concert of one Hello!Project group (I don't know exactly what group) in Paris. The winner is decided 50% votes (likes on the videos in YT) and 50% jury.
I have some friends into the contest so, take a look and leave likes please

>>9880273
ANGERME

>>9880266
They claim it was for the actual cost of production, paying the staff, and paying the members, some other stuff since they convinced people to work without pay.

>>9880284
i know they paid the composer and their main artist (?) but i didn't know they were planning on paying all their en/jp members, aren't they all friends or something. i'd get them paying their kr vocalists since those are hired though

overall it seems like a big financial undertaking but if all their stuff is gonna have the quality of their debut that's not entirely all bad. nice to have something that's a little more polished in the net-idol community though. i can't just live off of stellure discourse forever

>>9878488
>>9878480
i actually really like this video. They danced well and they have a lot of expressions. I prefer to watch videos like this than something where the dancers are super serious. + robokiss is a song that was made to be quirky i guess. every time they do it in hello! project it's always super fun to watch.

>>9880310
They explained the breakdown on the page. I don’t know about friends but I would still want to pay my friends for doing this too. Since they also revealed more members (which means more Korean voices), they need to pay more people. All the art is original too so that’s a lot vs just the member imagery.

>>9880223
Here are all the entries of the contest:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTh_zNfT8rLgGbNyzZU1utg/videos

>>9879935
The random zoom-ins remind me of a meme edit

>>9880283
oh fuck, i'm stupid i thought ANGERME was a con's name or something

im looking through the ANGERME contest so far and some of these entries are pretty solid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jME1NZiuOr8 i like these dancers a whole bunch - lots of energy and really good stage presence. just wish they had a better camera

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfA_6isYDxc not a big fan of the vocals on this one but the dancing's pretty good. i like the outfits a lot as well. only one i feel like is a little subpar is the kid with the really short black/red hair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAgfIsDyeFQ this girl fucking rules and has major lung support to be able to do that entire song with choreo and still sound decent

>>9881167
Bunny (the last one) straight ripping her intro from Hello! Station is funny to me.

Why didn't they at least edit this pic before posting it? And they claim out was a professional photoshoot...

>>9881222
If anything, that’s on Milky Kitty. Usually the photographer is the one who edits the photos before giving them to the person they did the shoot for. That’s what you get when you hire someone taking up photography as a hobby without actually knowing anything.

>>9881182
im not super into hello!station so i didnt catch that until you mentioned it lololol

>>9881167
I like that the first ones (Aidorujanai) made the Angerme's cosplay and the second ones (Amaitsuki) video is really well shot

It kinda feels like the pink one dragged the purple one into this. It’s obvious the pink one has more practice/experience and the purple one just feels out of place especially when they put her on stage in those shorts for debut

>>9880694
Supposedly they're streaming today for one of the character's birthdays and announcing some stuff? I'll just read about it later I guess but I'm dying to know if they'll be posting another song any time soon.

>>9882220
They aren't streaming today. They're streaming on Sunday. Hoping they give some good updates.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WSzGF-suNzs
what do yall think of 9 mermaids’ new chika? i personally really like her voice

https://www.facebook com/1421607748108124/videos/2057925594476333/
nico puri is meant to be easy

>>9883997
it honestly blows my mind how some people just cannot move their bodies in the right ways to do a simple dance

>>9883997

I (mostly) blame the fact that she's dancing in the middle of a pig sty.
I imagine that's what it's like to dance in the middle of a mine field and you can't move from that spot.

>>9884041
she have that face the entire time

https://youtu.be/nKSXXxo804A

Why would they chose Lolita attire for this? Seifuku would’ve fit much better especially considering it’s WH7.

Some recents

TeyaBerry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHnDZXno-g0
NiHana: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79kgHoYQvQw
Honey Hime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw3MNOnIB00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luLE6KOJO_0
half of this is her mumbling the lyrics

>>9886366
It feels tacky to use the video and promo images from the music video of the song you're covering. You're covering the SONG, but you had nothing to do with the MV and you're using imagery that isn't yours, isn't of you. At least draw an anime version of yourself or download a free sparkle effect to overlay the song if you don't want to record a full video of yourself.

>>9886366
>>9886410
And yeah I realize "Grace Mellody" probably didn't selfpost here. I was more just venting into empty space lol.

>>9884665
I think one of the members of Ice Qream is really into Lolita and already had a ton of dresses and accessories laying around. Buying seifuku might have been out of their budget or whatever.

>>9886410
You obviously haven’t been apart of the cover community like ever. This plus many variations are common for cover groups or coverists in general, especially those with low graphic skills. Platinum Happy didn’t just make their common cover graphic up from nowhere.

>>9886413
My point wasnt necessarily that they should wear seifuku but more so it would’ve fit better than like... Lolita. Even coordinated casual clothing would’ve fit a lot better. This just looks a thousand times tackier than usual.

>>9886495
Doesn't change the fact that it's tacky. Most of the covers I've seen, people use static images or their own graphics. Even if you suck at making it yourself, it's not hard to use some free graphics or get a friend to help you out. It honestly seems like it's mostly the shitty coverists who overlay the real MV to distract from their own singing.

>>9886512
Literally every coverist does it. Most of those “own graphics” also come from the official images. I’ve very rarely seen coverists not use the music video and usually that’s when it’ll get blocked or they’re doing something special for it. It’s not a distraction it’s just literally how it’s always been done.

>>9886689
Whatever you need to say to keep justifying it. Sorry you feel called out. It's still a shitty thing to do

>>9886824
I don’t feel called out cause I have no need to be. I just feel like your argument is dumb. Go tell the whole coverist community (not even net idols) to stop doing it. See who stops. Been like this since day one.

>>9886144
That Nihana cover makes me sad... the dance itself is not that hard to learn yet all the moves just seem like wrong. The difficulty of it comes from how much energy it should take to make it look fun and interesting. This just looks lazy.

>>9887123
i dont think fat people are able to move faster than that

>>9887865

It's not even her weight, she's just really shitty technique.

>>9887123
>>9886144
Message to the entire net idol community: STOP STOPPING MID DANCE TO BRUSH YOUR HAIR OUT OF YOUR FACE OR ADJUST YOUR CLOTHES. It’s a surefire way to make sure your dance looks sloppy and unpolished. It’s also one of the first things taught in dance and musical theatre. Hair gets stuck to your lipgloss? Too bad, the show must go on. Jacket rides up a little? The show must go on. Bangs hit you in the eye? The. Show. Must. Go. On. You should already know how to deal with little discomforts and be able to put up with them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo3B5zKUCOA
I know the dance isn't complicated but come the fuck on. You can at least look like you're having fun.

>>9888086
I've never seen a dance that was arguably good but lacking so... much energy... Yikes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xut6LAQ9Y-E

I'm not sure how I feel about this

>>9888164
I think I like it? I was really afraid it was going to attempt to be a dance cover. Her voice isn't perfect, and she has pitch problems at times, but overall it's pretty easy on the ears. I think she could turn the volume down on the harmonizations, they're drowning out the melody. I liked the interactions she had with the "others", planning those out must have took time. She's also pretty heckin cute so that helps.

>>9888086
Tbh storm in lover just has one of the worst coreographies i've seen in my life. They do look dead but it's hard to make it look interesting regardless.

>>9888191

I like it - this is coming from someone who has done Latin dance though. Some of the steps are taken from some of those styles of dance, however most people who attempt it don't really know how to pull off the movements correctly to give it that overall 'latin' feel.

The best attempt I've seen of it was a video of two girls in the Arabian outfits.(no idea how they made that connection)
The downside is that they had close ups which makes it harder to learn from so everyone uses the shitty covers to perpetuate the cycle.

Does cosplay belong here? There was a Nozomi Tojo cosplayer at the last Animefest in brno with a really well made dress.

I've uploaded my collection of Love Live odottemita videos I personally like. Some of them are no longer available on BiliBili. A couple of my friends really wanted these, so I thought that someone here might be interested as well.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1pq4P_X0LbNhG-lmTtEAn5SKzkbA7lRhG

>>9888704
I'm not sure what a cosplay of love live has anything to do with net idols..? This thread is for people who sing/dance to jpop, not dress up like anime characters. This is cgl, find another thread.

>>9888740
My bad. I thought the cover pic was cosplay.

>>9888743
>"My bad. I thought the cover pic was cosplay."
>no wigs
>natural makeup
>original stage costume
>bad location

How would anyone think its cosplay? Did you even read the thread before posting?

>>9888802
Nope. I was just looking for an appropriate thread to post in.

Sorry.

someone help her

>>9888870

I can shave her if it helps?

>>9888870
People have been trying to help her since 2014

>>9889028
what's up with her?

>>9889037
She's just. Hm. I'm going to be as unbiased and truthful as possible. Saya (aka Hibiki aka Hoshi) is a young girl from NYC who's notorious in the net-idol comm for being incredibly untalented and embarrassing. I've talked with her via text before, and she's very sweet, but she has no skills. Zero. Cannot sing, lackluster dance, all her videos are awkward to watch and listen to, no sense of self awareness. Despite that, she's been at the head of several failed idol groups and projects, and hasn't seemed to learn anything from them or show any hopes of improving.

>>9889182
can you link some of her videos?

>>9889508
https://youtu.be/62QKEugAuwk

>>9889519
Aww man, I saw this when I searched for a good cover of this song, ugh

>>9889519
the dog in the background is more entertaining than the dance

>>9889182

I wonder if she had invested in even the most basic vocal or dance lessons or is she one of those hard work can solve everything types?

And didnt she tried to form a USA48?

>>9889671
She tried starting an NYC48 (one of her first failed idol projects) and had multiple gofundmes for it.

I think your thinking of the middle-aged midlife crisis woman who started USA48 (now USA50) and runs O!48. Speaking of USA50, have there been any updates?

>>9889693
Of course not. They keep trying to start it back up but nothings going to ever come of it. The only source of activity is their Facebook page profile picture being changed.

>>9889707
"They" meaning the one woman trying to run it. Confession time: I was one of the early auditions. I didn't know anyone involved with the project and thought it seemed like a cute idea, but dropped out when I realized how insane and unrealistic it was. Basically the "manager" Lauren kept giving us really stupid "homework" - for example, watching old AKB48 videos and watching an idol we were assigned, then writing up a thing about how that idol was shining on stage and how we could be like that. No actual effort on improving looks, vocals, or dance. She would drop off the face of the planet once in a while because her and her child were living on a friend's couch and she had unreliable internet. She kept saying how eventually she would make a trip out to meet everyone in person...she wanted us to promote in our own cities by performing on the sidewalks and stuff to garner interest in idol culture...the list went on. She really thought she was going to make a nationwide successful idol group. I just thought I'd get the chance to sing some cute original music. I bailed. That project is only good for its cringe factor.

>>9889923
This is so juicy. Please tell us more!!!

>>9889923
Honestly, the biggest issue I saw with this (which kept me from auditioning) was that she wanted to go fly out to see everyone or having reps in every region. How did she plan on doing that? That shit is expensive.

Did some snooping around and found this. Shall we crash this and turn it into a /cgl/ idol meetup?

https://www facebook com/events/261392617703194/

>>9890225
what’s the point there’s only 2 people going

>>9890145
She really thought that a ton of people would be interested in joining and working for free. I'll see if I can dig it up again but there exists, from the very earliest stages of planning, a map of all the staff she planned on having. She thought that the project would have enough interest to require a full staff for every region of the country, each managing several idols in each state.

>>9890358
I found it!

https://go.gliffy.com/go/publish/10488027

>>9890358
>>9890376
The depressing thing is, if someone had enough money to not only properly pay but also properly manage and uphold performance spaces, it’s not a bad structure. Way more people would be needed sure but managing a single region alone would need at least twice as many as she has listed.

https://youtu.be/wVbhoHsMn0o

>>9891654
That screech trying to reach the higher notes....

Pink haired girl isn't too bad, her voice is just really undeveloped. I think if she dedicates herself to practicing, strengthening her voice, and staying on pitch, she could be good. She just sounds really young, that's all.

>>9891896
I thought the same thing! White could benefit from a good voice teacher as well, it sounds like she doesn’t know what vocal range she has.

Who here Minty Pop Girls?

>>9892711
You’re so far behind. They disbanded.

Did you guys see that Mondai Society closed their idol applications?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaJ26S4ucSw

>>9893113
This is pretty good. I like this.

>>9893113
There's something missing from this and I can't put my finger on it. Energy? maybe the mix is just weird?

>>9893438
There’s really some energy, weighlessness, and precision missing from it but overall? It’s not totally terrible. They did better than a lot of people could but side by side to other covers like the ones below shows what’s missing.

https://youtu.be/A-FIt4bHXXw
https://youtu.be/epzunDTvXY8

>>9893113
https://twitter.com/_33Degrees/status/998465661117583360

>>9894108
If I’m following this right (I don’t speak french) the group posted was accused of cheating in the contest?

>>9894218
my english isn't 1000% perfect but here if anyone is curious

''contest are great, but if youtube remove views,it's because there was botting... and using raids likes bot is cheating isn't it?''

''@_33Degrees it is impossible to contact you meanwhile an entry made 400 likes in a single day ... odd isn't it ?''

''thanks for telling us and thank you for your email!''

>>9894218
basically someone used a bot and youtube took away the views

Its so easy to tell when views or likes are bought by a bot. It's quite pathetic because they didn't win anyway. Amaitsuki won.

https://soundcloud.com/kurohime_91/im-ok

Kuro Hime is okay at singing but she really needs to work on her presentation, she doesn't put much work into what she posts on insta and someone even did an illustration for her single and she doesn't even use it besides for the instrumental version.

I do hope she comes out with an MV or makes a dance for the song to perform on stage

>>9895294
What does the illustration look like? Maybe it's ugly af?

>>9895172
Checked out Amaitsuki's page. 20 girls in their unit. How would you rate their performances?

>>9895294
Never heard of her before, thanks for sharing! Her voice is really soothing to listen to, I hope she does more.

>>9895408
sometimes i feel like they'd be way better if they just stuck to dancing, but they have an air of professionalism about them that I like. Their performances seem to be pretty well thought-out and organized/entertaining for such a large group.

>>9895439
She's really bad at promoting herself so not surprised.

OwO what's this

>>9895698

She looks like someone's mom who stole their child's cosplay wig for shits and giggles.

>>9895698
She look like a grown man in a wig, w.what happened?

I think it's mostly the lip color that's doing it. Luna is pretty cute, she just needs someone to show her how to do makeup that works with her face shape and skintone, and she needs to remember to not tilt her chin up for photos.

Wasn't there a spreadsheet at some point with good dances broken into group size, and not just the idol groups themselves?

>>9896233
Here you go! It's the old version that hasn't been updated in forever. The anon that maintained it disappeared so we made a new one, but the old one still has the playlists.

>>9896336
uh oops here's the link.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1p-CYbtXF9NUJ3EuJuxkcujp_qwMmNfKaOrlO3VjaSHA/edit#gid=1653664279

>>9896336
>>9896338
Ahhh thanks so much anon! Starting to dance with a friend and this makes it a lot easier to find songs to start with.

Live performance video from Follow Your Kokoro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOL-YZi3G4k&

>>9897722
I love their Yoshiko, she nailed her performance!

>>9897722
They're really good!

>>9897722
Wow a rare group that isn't all asians and is actually well practiced, has energy, and respects the original work.

I can definitely tell that they have studied the lives and paid attention to details. My only nitpick would be that some moves seem to have been interpreted a bit wonky, for example the train move in Happy Party Train's chorus seems to always look funny. (To me, it should look like how a train's wheels move more horizontally where as lots of people seem to move their arms more vertically.)

Oh god.

>>9898775

Is there any cover groups in Philly?

What makes her competent enough to give advice about making idol groups?

>>9898964
I was willing to let it slide until I got to the part about idol personas and how to make one. I even let go of the whole “scouting” thing (because I KNOW they're using it in an incorrect way). But no. You do not create idol personas.

>>9899305

So !!
Many !!
Exclamation !!
Points !!
!

>>9895294
She needs to work on her makeup. And what's with all the dark ass photos and videos she posts is she trying to hide her face?

>>9899305
I wish all the love live copycat groups would stop thinking an idolsona is a thing that makes an idol.

>>9899737
She added this. I’m guessing someone told her the advice was stupid.

>>9899737

It's just for groups over here, they never had the kind of official support so they think they know everything about being an idol thanks to Love Live!

I know Seishun Youth Academy has promoted on the West Coast and they have been pretty helpful in teaching gaijin on being idols. But I am not so sure if they had done anything for the East Coast.

>>9893507
the white dude in black shirt looks like my math teacher hahaha. he did a great job tho

>>9900169

All they did was perform for the masquerade at Katsucon once but other than that, I don't see them interacting or doing anything with the east coast that much. They are performing for the masquerade again for AnimeNext.

>>9900507
Anon is talking about SYA, not Stellure.

Someone’s triggered

>>9900575
Stellure isn’t “different or unusual,” it’s a concept that many, many people have tried before and are continuing to try.

>>9900575
"Like the seiyuus" I honestly think she has no real idea what idol even means and knows nothing about them outside of love live

>>9900728
I think she's delusional about how special stellure is. Love Live cosplay "idol" groups are a dime a dozen. Can't throw a rock into a crowd without hitting one

>>9901101
Oh, for sure.

>>9901083
or she could just be attempting to explain what she means to an audience that predominantly has no idea what idols are outside of love live

I'm not mad about the tutorial she posted. she makes it clear she's talking about her group stellure, which is self-produced, american and very different from what real idols in japan are like. people who specifically like stellure and want to be apart of groups similar to it is her targeted audience

>>9901416
But she made it clear afterwards once someone messaged her about it instead of making that clear from the get go. The delivery also comes off defensive too.

> That being said, Please do not message me telling me my information is wrong and that isn't how idols should be/are.

Sounds like to me she is closed off on having a discussion that challenges her views. Even with the disclaimer, there is this know-it-all attitude that comes with this IG highlight.

>>9898964
>>9899305
>>9900575

she said something about original songs, lyrics, make coreos, training etc or just she talk about how to do an idolsona?

Is it bad that in terms of being a "cover group", I feel like V Project is one of the well, best ones around? I am shocked that they have been around for what, 3+ years now?

>>9878546
I have said this IRL and I will say this here. Idol festival are containment for the random dance groups that form; they aren't bad but doing things like this helps clear out masquerade time and lets the kids have their fun. If you aren't bad at running a con its 2-4 hours of programming that you literally don't have to do much work besides get a large room; the idol and cover groups will get butts in seats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REjAymPxoNE

>>9901559

Why is it bad to think that? They're great! And if I'm learning something I'll generally check in with them first to see if they have a video.

>>9901661
oh god the singing isn't necessarily bad but what the hell are those lyrics

>>9901416
We get that chum
But I don't think she really gets it either lmao

>>9901661
oh god the singing is so off beat

...and none is taking about Amitsuki opening performance for Angerme?

/story.php?story_fbid=1816110648409642&id=240963819257674

>>9902040
they did a good job overall, but their singing is mediocre at best imo

>>9902040
I though only the winners would open the concert

>>9902055
Part undeveloped talent and I’m assuming part first time live? Although I’m not totally sure if they’ve performed lived before.

>>9902071
They were the winners unless another group competing went on before or after them.

>>9902096
Theve been performing live events for a long while. Even a quick glace at their YouTube reflects that. They have had performances with strong singing before but it always varies with which of their members are performing.

>>9901661
i don't get the random scenes of her laying bed "sleeping" fully dressed.

>>9901661
I just feel sad. At least this is a little better than the debut performance of this song she did!

>>9901661
Good example of someone who has the power behind her voice that most people lack, but none of the tune. Jenny can't stay in tune to save her life. I even prefer weak singers who can't project but can stay in tune over this.

Some recent covers:
https://youtu.be/yRa_0vES5dQ
https://youtu.be/xbH1-wPMK6c
https://youtu.be/JfOiuG7wJDs
https://youtu.be/Eu5o_CLnsow
https://youtu.be/BxFEMxd2FRo
https://youtu.be/s1sK_SgPWRs

this is awkward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC_muV6EYmY

>>9902505
1) 146 seconds / 7 cuts = 20.85. On average, this girl can barely dance for 20 seconds without messing up so badly she has to cut her video.
3) Love Live dances are really difficult to make look interesting as solos, especially BiBi's slow ballads, but she's a good dancer. She should take that precision and expression and apply it to a more difficult dance.
6) oh no

>>9902683
I like the skit or overal story or whatever it is you wanna call it, but what the hell are those random zoom ins and close ups

>>9901661
It makes me frustrated that she has been into idols for so long and at this for SO LONG but can't figure out how to edit video/photos to not look like she's in a closet or put on makeup that makes her not look like a forty year old crack smoker

>>9902505
The last one was too.. bad to keep watching, but I do like the idea of a male/female mixed dance group. I don't see that alot for Jpop/Idols/etc - Jiong being the only one I can think of.

>>9903373
Girl also needs a cute, flattering haircut. I wish I could take her under my wing and teach her a few things

>>9902505
>>9903560
>>9903309
I don't know if I was watching a different cover or something. But I don't think the last one was that bad. When you take into account it's a live performance in a hall way that's being filmed from a bad angle. They're mostly in sync with each other and it's clear they've worked hard and practice together. I feel like the business of the video distracts from their actual performance. I've definitely seen much worse covers of this song.

>>9903865
Sorry you got posted

>>9903872
Not one of them actually, but nice try.

>>9903865
They are in sync, for the most part, but that's only one part of a performance. Angelic Angel is a slow song, but that doesn't mean you can get sloppy on the moves, and everyone looks pretty sloppy and low energy. There isn't a lot of tightness or precision to the moves, everyone is moving around too loosely. And I'm not trying to be sexist towards the guys in the group, but they look especially awkward and gangly. No one expressions seem to suggest they're having a good time and the cosplays fit awkwardly on most of them. Overall "it could be worse" still isn't enough of a reason to think this is a good cover.

>>9903865
Not that anon but before you give >>9903890 an excuse about the boys dancing abilities, its not impossible for boys to properly learn a love live dance

Source: https://youtu.be/6H4Xtj5tapU

>>9903890
>>9903896
Just to clarify, I never said it was good. I just stated it's not as bad as it was being made out to be. I 100% agree with all of your points. But it's clear they put in some effort, which is more than can be said about a lot of groups that get posted here. Hense why I semi-defended them in the first place.

I'm with the anon who doesn't think its unsalvageable, I've definitely seen worse.

I think the main root of the problem is confidence, and if they showed a bit more for this performance it would have improved the presentation. The Nozomi is sloppy with movements but she looks like she's having a good time which saves her from being terrible overall.

The guys, however, especially the Nico are looking at the ground. It's like they're ashamed of doing such a girly dance. Half-assing it is much worse than throwing yourself into the role though so they screwed themselves over.

From looking at them though, this is probably their first real go at performing in public (in costume too) so as far as first performances go this one isn't dire - it's just average.

They're in the right place at the right time and are at the very least doing the right movements, but they just lack conviction which builds with time.
They probably didn't know how to project themselves as a male version of the character either.

These guys do it right and should be what the guys from the Angelic Angel cover should aim to be. One guy has a full on beard but is not just dancing - he's performing.
https://www.youtube.com/QabWSMyFtIw

>>9903961

My bad, it'd help if I posted a link that worked first!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QabWSMyFtIw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcPZhApEhX8

>>9872045
We need a monthly ranking for idols who are actually good. Its getting kind of cringey only seeing cringe. I would like to see some of these girls improve but spending their time on these threads isn't the way if they're just going to cry about it later. I think it would ignite some sort if initiative. Thoughts? :^)

>>9904467
this. problem is though is that this idea has been brought up before in the net idol community but its always been shut down because it would be "problematic"

>>9904538
I don't think it is "problematic" per say but with the amount of immature people and young kids in this community, it will bring up so much unessecary (but funny) drama. I would really want to see one happen but whoever hosts this poll and the groups who win will probably recieve lots of backlash and accusations by those same people who can't handle competition.

I think the /cgl/ idol comm should host one here.

>>9904550
I second that. We really need some sort of ranking system to give newbies something to aspire to, and something to drive those already in the scene to improve themselves!

>>9904467
I think competitions are a good alternative to that. I agree with >>9904550 that it will cause fighting and drama, since a lot of the community is young. Net idol competitions pop up time to time, but they're usually run by one person and susceptible to that person's bias and procrastination. Having some decently run competitions with fair judging would inspire people to improve much like a ranking would, but hopefully with less hurt feelings.

>>9904736
I know there was the Overseas Idol Competition, but have results been announced yet?

>>9904550
Play it off as if it's like that ranking thing from Love Live, and they'll all jump behind it because Love Live.

>>9905050
its sad knowing that that would probably work

>>9905403
It already has. There’s @/netidol.ranking on Instagram, and as far as I can tell it’s pretty much “who has the most followers?” .

>>9905417
not to mention half of the people mentioned seem to be lovelive cover groups

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkQ964Y_xXM

remember that god awful hpt cover ?boy.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR6QiBM3-vw

>>9905963

>>9905918
First thought: that’s a freaking handsome Tony Stark.

>>9905918
Second thoughts: oh my days that is a hot mess. None of them have rhythm. The Chika sort of does, but it’s only a little. Only half are lipsyncing, the others don’t even bother to smile...wow.

>>9905967
Someone's butthurt

>>9905918
I don't even mind so much that most of them are obese, but dear God. They picked the frumpiest outfits they could find, didn't they? It's not that hard to dress flattering even at that size. And the lazy dancing and sour expressions are only enhanced by their weight. If you're a big dancer, you have to be sharper with your movements and have great expressions just to be able to compare to a healthy sized dancer. It's possible to still look great putting on a performance when overweight, but it takes a lot more effort and these girls really all missed the mark. They almost look like caricatures of fat dancers.

>>9905918
https://www.instagram.com/p/BjlsOAjhkm3/?taken-by=lovecrushdancegroup
how

>>9904736

This is a part of a lot of competitions. It isn't like Love Live where everyone gets along despite being rivals. It is high paced enough that it is similar to the more professional cosplay community where it is more about the popularity than doing it for fun

>>9905918

That was Colossalcon's Love Live cover performance? And you would think it would attract a better group to do Natsuiro

>>9905918
I know this is a cringe forum but come on anon, why did my eyes deserve to view this?

>>9906430
Because the bar is THAT low

>>9906895

You would think Colossalcon being revolved around a water park would invite better talent. I would expect something like this.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av14514338?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afVrX0LDkVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4SyDiZZEto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic7YOoTmsZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qHbM9tBj7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJ4I9bCjEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzQNTg8eRi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkSFup6duF8

>>9906430
what

>>9906430
It's best NOVICE performance.

Have you ever seen most of these skits? They are usually quite bad; the dance thing was better than 50% of most skits because it went off without any technical problems.

>>9907561
Sadiq Taiyou is just... Depressing for someone who’s been performing and dancing for a while.

The last one is pretty much a decent example of timing scene changes and synching scenes really well.

>>9905918
this is so incredibly bad I can't believe it won an award. there had to have been something better

>>9907468
Nah, I noticed from my time there that Colossalcon being revolved around a water park just means that the focus is way more on drinking, partying, and swimsuits than any of the actual anime stuff. Programming is not great, the vendors hall is basically a joke, and I'm not surprised few people were interested in joining the skit performances.

>>9907866

Sad, nice dubs though.

>>9907821
Sadiq is really desilusional because she thinks is an idol and she thinks she have the level to be profesional singer and dancer.

Just as a PSA, Stellure's masquerade performance at AnimeNEXT will be somewhere between 5 and 7:30 Eastern Time. I think they're going to try and livestream it like they did with Unwritten.

>>9908751
Woops, forgot to include insta post

>>9908756
Nix’s wig literally looks like paper mache, how much gel did Mimi put in it??

>>9908932
Seriously, look at this. That poor, poor wig.

>>9908496
what even is this???
https://twitter.com/SadiqTaiyou/status/1005473749578256384

>>9908932
She posted a tutorial on which I think she glued wefts and then glued the wefts onto the wig. I don't think you're supposed to glue wefts on

>>9908756
Nix supposed to be the 'tomboy' of the group and her outfits are still girly?

>>9909076
was it "tomboy" on stupid tumblr gender. I was thinking it was the "non-binary" or whatever other snowflaky shit that is trending nowadays, but either way, she looks girly in this and I thought similarly to you.

>>9909083
Both I think? They seem to push the 'tomboy' angle in art, but all her idol outfits are super girly.

>>9909076
>>9909083
>>9909117
Let’s not forget the he/him pronoun preference...

>>9909059
kek she performed with a facial mask in the neck

OK so Prism (UK group) disbanded last month and have reformed as a duo minus one of the original members under a new name.

What's the tea?

>>9909630
No tea, just one of the girls is moving and can't continue activities. They chose to end on a high with the memory of Prism as is, but wanted to continue performing so formed a new group.

>>9909657
New thread

>>9877657
I regretted it the second I submitted the video to be honest!
Definitely no close ups in the next video!

>>9878449
I actually wish I could have seen the comments but because it was on their channel I couldn't, luckily I got feedback in other places though!