/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I don't care what your intentions are, if you start a thread exclusively for black or plus sized lolita/cosplay you are willingly stirring the pot and encouraging shitposting

>>9869524
>At a certain point OTT is a costume and you aren't wearing it as a fashion any more
Agreed, to some extent.
I feel this applies more to girls who don't wear lolita outside of events; wearing an extravagant outfit to an event, especially a brand tea party, when you regularly wear more "wearable" coords in other circumstances, is fine. If OTT-to-events is your only interaction with lolita fashion, especially if you spend months laboring over every coord you put together for every event much like a cosplayer does with their costume before a con, then yes, this is a costume to you.

>>9869527
Seconded.

>>9869524
>wigs are for costumes, not fashion
>“mana-sama“ is outdated and no Classic or Sweet Lolita should feel the need to worship him
>wearing things you are currently selling is wrong. You could stain or tear it without noticing and it is more worn than you originally declared.
>scalping is not such a big deal, you don’t have to buy it (only people who do it on a big scale like rainies are a problem)
>make-up is mandatory for lolita. Step up your game
>just because something was once done in a street snap 15 years ago doesn’t mean it’s lolita and ok now

overskirts that part in the front like curtains always make me think of a stage. but then it's right where your crotch would be, so it's like a crotch stage. I can't unsee it.

>>9869554
>makeup is mandatory for lolita
Agreed. But make sure your makeup isn’t Instagram ready. That overly smoky eye and crisp dramatic brow isn’t good with lolita no matter how good you are with it. Keep that shit with your Instagram normie fashion.
Also, sweet makeup looks like shit with a gothic coord. Same with gothic makeup with sweet coords.

Nine times out of ten, ouji looks tacky. I can think of maybe 2 or 3 people that actually do it well. The mini hats and diamond pattern socks are the worst elements of ouji.

>if you wear lolita to a convention that doesn’t have a lolita guest or brand there, you’re wearing the fashion like a costume.

>if you’re tall and have your skirt expose your thighs too much, you need a underskirt. I don’t care if you are careful when you bend over. I don’t want to see that.

> if you come in here to defend someone or your comm, I’m going to think your trash and your comm is trash.

>people who post to CoF with overly edited images and color obscuring filters are disgusting and hiding something. Prove me wrong.

>>9869569
>>9869554
Make-up in my comm is ugly irl most of the time. It only makes them look better on photos.

>>9869571
>I don’t want to see that.
You don't want to see my beautiful Moitie bloomers?

>solid/lightly patterned tights are vastly underused and underappreciated

>shorter length skirts are awesome, tall lolitas rock that shit

>if an item is clearly lolita and you just call it "taobao" or "offbrand" instead of naming the taobao shop/indie shop you can fuck right off (especially if people ask you where you got it and you still just say "taobao")

>saying things on here like "hi voldie/choke/claire/etc." should result in a short ban; "sorry you got posted" is up there as well

>"you wouldn't say it was ita if it was a skinny girl wearing it" is legitimate criticism for bigger lolitas because it means they didn't take fit, proportion, color balance etc. into account for their size

>who cares if people call it "kodona" everyone still knows what you mean

>>9869573
No one should see your bloomers and be able to tell what brand they are.

>>9869587
Sometimes people forget which random taobao store they bought something from, anon. And the labels inside aren't always helpful.

>>9869587
>"you wouldn't say it was ita if it was a skinny girl wearing it" is legitimate criticism for bigger lolitas because it means they didn't take fit, proportion, color balance etc. into account for their size
I wish this wasn't an unpopular opinion, dressing for one's size is so important in fashion. The fact people think the wearer's size and the clothes' fit don't matter, explains why so many girls in this subculture look like shit. Makes me sad, honestly.

Tights with all the weird corset lacing shit on them are ugly. Same with the stained glass ones.

>If you still live with your parents and they buy you brand you are no better than a sugar baby.

>Western indie is usually just as tacky and badly made as taobao. With a few exceptions, western indie brands will always be an overpriced and bad quality alternative to brand.

>BTSSB has had quality issues for years and isn't worth buying any more. AATP is still OK because their designs are more innovative but they are also hit or miss quality.

>The moitie revival is fucking annoying, gothic lolita should have been allowed to die peacefully.

>If you're a lolita and you have ugly nails, you should be ashamed. Even if they're short you should shape and polish them.

>"it's unoriginal" is not legitimate criticism, outfits don't have to be creative or original to look good, nor is originality/creativity everyone's goal when putting together an outfit

>Instagram is better in every way than CoF. If you look at the most recent posts on the egl community tag you'll see a much more varied group of lolitas with vastly different styles.

Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but I don't see it talked about much.

I miss the days of Livejournal/daily_lolita where there was one central congregation hub for discussion and outfit posting. Now everybody has their own IG/tumblr and although we have CoF facebook's Groups platform really isn't that good for a community of this scale. egl_comm_sales moved seamlessly to Lacemarket and that was awesome. When do we get something like that for outfits and discussion?

>It's nice to have that one flattering pose, but when half of your pictures are posed the same it looks like a catalog

>>9869609
I think this is a very popular opinion. To be honest, amino could have been a good solution, but itas and teenyboppers ruined it.

>>9869609
This. LJ is riddled with problems, I definitely don't miss that, but having the community and resources mostly based in one site was very comfortable.
Gone are the days when newbs could be told to just "read the memories". Sigh.

sugary sweet lolita looks better when its short, and most AP looks like shit with an underskirt

>>9869609
I think people tried this with Amino, but it's full of weebs and itas now.

>>9869587
anon I agree with all of your opinions.
adding onto the bigger lolitas opinion:

>when people say it's ita just because it's a bigger girl. Even if she does look good.

>>9869598
YES. I can't stand corset lacing tights and my friends love them. Whenever anyone says 'do you like my new tights' I have to put on a fake smile and go 'sure, they're lovely'.

>>9869603
>If you still live with your parents and they buy you brand you are no better than a sugar baby.
God damn yes. And people get so righteous about 'WELL YEAH MY PARENTS BUY ME BRAND... UHHH, YOU'RE JUST JELLY!!'

>>9869524
E-fame wannabe's kinda suck the fun out of (online) comms cause they are so hungry for attention.
Never get why they are so obsessed with themselves. I feel like they are in this fashion for a whole different reason than most of us.
Some lolitas get very popular without that need for e-fame and I tend to like them a whole lot better, they usually have better coords too.
PS: don't confuse this with people just posting their coords on cof once in a while please, it's way more than that.

SJWs, I would love them to go virtue signal elsewhere. Stop making lolita so political.
Lets just have Lolita as a common ground and be civilised to each other please.
Especially for us that aren't from the USA, we don't bother you with (for example) EU political problems either.

People that can't take concrit shouldn't post pictures.

I too miss the good ole days of LJ, but it's deserted so there's no point going back.
Wardobe posts make me really happy, but I wished more people would participate but outside of LJ it's super hard to track everyones post cause they are all posting on different platforms.

>>9869527
Very much agree with you!
I'm guessing that's exactly what the OPs of those threads want though.

>>9869603
>>Western indie is usually just as tacky and badly made as taobao. With a few exceptions, western indie brands will always be an overpriced and bad quality alternative to brand.
Western indie brands tend to be overpriced? That's weird, considering they're never as good as "actual" brand. Why do that, and who's buying?

>>9869524
Every colorway of this looks bad. Not an unpopular opinion I think, but AP is losing their touch. The new prints are terrible

>basic make-up (foundation, eye concealer, powder, mascara) is fine for simple coords
>going blouseless is fine if you're skinny and dress for an ultra hot day, however if you are anywhere near chubby don't even attempt it Miss Piggy
>it's okay if natural hair doesn't look 100% perfect on pictures as long as it is healthy and styled well, that one stray hair blown in front of your face by a breeze of air doesn't make it ita it just adds to the natural feel of natural hair.
>outdoor pictures are superiour to mirror/indoor pictures
>lolitas who worship left-wing ideologies leaning towards communism need a brain transplant or stop wearing the fashion because it embodies everything they should oppose.

I hate the "it doesn't matter if stores close down, you can buy online!" mentality, and will gladly pay a higher price to buy stuff in person. If I'm spending 200+ in a dress I want to make sure that it fits like a damn glove.

>>9869729
I think that's usually said as a sort of consolation; hearing that a brick and mortar store for a brand that you love is closing down can be scary, especially with how many brands and magazines went out of business in 2017, so it's a bit comforting to think "Oh it's okay, it's just a store that's closing, the rent is probably very high in that area and keeping that store open isn't profitable, the brand itself is otherwise fine."
It may or may not be true but it's comforting to look at it this way. I do understand your point though, which is why supporting the brands we love (and their stores) is so important for their continuation.

>>9869603
Anon, can you expand on “Baby has had quality issues for years”? What year did they start and how bad is it now, for anyone who has modern Baby?

To stay on topic:
>Better you buy quality brand with a design slightly off than what you like than buy taobao that you love an exact print of. You won’t like you taobao “dream dress” when it looks like it’s printed on paper.

Lolita is a turn on and makes me feel incredibly cute during sex.

I wish shirring wasn't a thing sometimes. I know it makes pieces marketable to a larger audience, but shirring always looks bad. On small frames, it rumples up and bunches at the waist making the silhouette frumpy. On large frames it makes the person looked like a stuffed sausage. Not cute at all.

>>9869524
I honestly like this print and hope it'll go on sale so I can snag the black OP.

>>9869562
>Crotch curtian
>Can't unsee
Dammit, anon.

>>9869527
it's 2018. we're having great threads this year with little to know trolling. just great dumps so far. I appreciate it!

>>9869591
>be able to tell what brand they are
maybe some disgusting casuals wouldn't be able to

>>9869746
I'm not near any physical shops, but actively support brands by buying from them at cons. I also buy from Baby SF. The prices are higher, but it's important to show Baby that lolitas in the Americas support them.

>A little thigh isn't that big a deal as long as it's in proportion to the rest of the coordinate. Underskirts are usually ugly af, especially with sweet and almost always with AP.

>New moitie fans have me salty; I like that, for quite awhile, gothic has been the least popular primary substyle. I can't wait to compete with a new generation of GL babybats for new releases and older pieces.

>Not all individual similar posts in rapid succession are samefagging and it's as annoying as the constant caw caw of 'vendetta' and /r9k/ nonsense.

>Speaking of /r9k/, we shouldn't have to tolerate them or the other crossboarders who shitpost. It's one thing to have a different opinion and another to post stuff that crosses the line into hate speech.

>>9869754

>>9869587
Agreed 100%

>>9869571
>>if you wear lolita to a convention that doesn’t have a lolita guest or brand there, you’re wearing the fashion like a costume.
I do this but I wear lolita on a weekly basis outside of cons too

>>9869820
Well I think that works with an unpopular opinion of my own

>it’s ok to wear lolita as a costume sometimes

Not all the time, but it’s an extravagant frilly fashion that can veer into costume territory. And that’s ok. OTT winged unicorn drag coords are obnoxious as hell, and I love daily lolita more than anything else. But, I think dressing up in a costumey was is fine.

Question- would decora, gyaru, vkei, otome, mori be considered costume at a con w/o a designer?

>border prints that take up a solid third of the skirt and have no/minimal continuation through the dress look tacky
>IW is sweet, not classic. Their “classic” pieces never truly look classic to me.
>New classic releases are dead
>VM’s design quality has been in the toilet for the past two years and I’m not surprised they tanked
>polyester screen-printing is a cop out
>most of the people who post on rufflechat are ita and need to drastically change their look to even think about wearing the fashion

>>9869829
>IW is sweet, not classic. Their “classic” pieces never truly look classic to me.
Some of their prints are definitely on the sweeter side of things, and admittedly they've always had a cuter take on classic, but please explain to me how pic related is sweet in any way.
You could have said they're not a true/pure classic brand because their designs vary too much in nature, and I'd agree with you; anon once said that IW is the Meta of classic brands and it was actually quite on point. But saying they're a sweet brand is laughable.

>>9869527
I like those threads because they apply to me directly, but ymmv.

>>9869591
Does this trigger you sweaty?

>>9869570
Most of the time ouji look even more costumey than any (non ott) lolita

>>9869834
>IW is the meta of classic brands
Ok I actually like this description better. The above dress definitely has the stereotypical classic sihloette, but the fabric used is usually either a strange knit or polyester; the buttons and gathers in the blouse area are more sweet styled, and the skirt is bell shaped. It just feels, to me, like someone who normally dresses in sweet trying to play dress up in classic more than actually being within the classic aesthetic. I’ll concede it can be perceived as classic, it just doesn’t feel like the same aesthetic to me.
>tfw every time I have an IW item I’m sorely disappointed

Bonus opinion:
>I have never seen anyone look good in a Haneuli main piece

>>9869834
Different anon, but the way IW made the yoke on this dress is pretty sweet. The neckbow is too big and the bright gold trim/buttons are too flashy for the dress cut to be classic. This looks like a sweet lolita rendition of Classical Doll.

>>9869850
>the skirt is bell shaped
It's very clearly A-line, are you serious?

>>9869845
I don’t think this is what anon was referring to. Peeking is typical for older styles but when you can see the crotch join or the waistband then it’s too short and too much bloomer showing.

>>9869834
>IW is meta of classic
I love the versatility of IW. I wear gothic/ classic and some of my favourite jsks for gothic dailywear are from IW.

>>9869851
The gold trim I'll agree with, but the buttons are antique gold and shaped like roses, they fit in perfectly fine in classic. The frills on the yoke aren't too big and ridiculous like AP's are, either. I think you two are nitpicking, honestly.

Regular normie formal shoes like pumps and wedges look bad with lolita. I don’t care if they match in color, they are ugly and don’t belong in the fashion.

>>9869569
I'd rather have well done "Instagram normie" make up over girls trying so hard to cover up their shitty skin issues with a ton of foundation to do "sweet lolita" make up.

A lot of girls I've seen that do minimal make up in attempt to do lolita make up usually have skin they have to correct and it always looks bad.

>>9869872
This isn't an unpopular opinion.

>>9869845
>sweaty

when you try to insult someone but you misspell "sweetie" lolk

>>9869918
nayrt but it's a common meme

>>9869918
when you try to call someone out on mispelling but you end up looking like a newfag

>>9869603
Don't sugar babies usually provide sexual favors in exchange? How is that on the same level? I would just call them spoiled

>>9869829
My solid a-line IW dresses and corset skirts would look like shit styled in a sweet way. Also their older pieces aren't suited to sweet nearly as muvh as their newer pieces. Just accept that they're a hybrid.

>>9869918
This is a common meme. It's misspelled on purpose. Summer is starting soon I suppose

>>9869570
>>9869847
Agreed. It almost always looks like someone’s cosplaying an anime character.

>>9869572
Sane here. I actually do think that makeup is better than no makeup, but so many girls in my comm overdo it and end up looking completely ridiculous IRL. They look decent in photos but that might also be meitu. At the end of the day a few of them always have these deep cracks in their foundation and a missing falsie. But my least favorite thing is still the white eyeliner under the eyes and “extended” lash line. Pls stop.

>>9869662
Wages and production costs are higher in the West than in say, China, so any Western indie produced in the West has to be more expensive than e.g. Taobao brands just to break even.
>who’s buying?
The designer’s friends, people who need custom measurements and don’t trust Taobao to get them right, people who really want that zombie pony print no matter how tacky, and... idk who else. Western indie brands that mainly produce clothing are rarely able to compete with the Asian brands.

>>9869905
Why is it still a thing more often then not then? If it’s an widely agreed opinion, then why are soo many people still wearing cheap 10 dollar pumps with their dresses?

>>9869603
>If you still live with your parents and they buy you brand you are no better than a sugar baby.
This is dumb. Calling somebody a sugar baby if their SO buys them brand makes more sense than this.

>>9869814
I don't think you'll be competing much with new gothic lolitas, moitie is still pretty small for most people (e.g. the new jsk that just came out). A lot of lolitas are fat and will never fit into older pieces so there's less competition for you. They will go for the new releases with shirring, at least that's what I'm expecting. Plus moitie is too expensive, it seems like fat lolitas don't like to spend much on dresses whether they're new or used

>>9870006
I’m over the average size for Moitie (80cm waist)and fit into a lot of their older stuff predating 2010. You just got to know what will be bigger then it is measured on their site. If anything, their older stuff fits better then their newer stuff. I love their blouses because they where made without much shape around 2009 and are ridiculously comfortable under jsks. It’s all about knowing your body shape and what flatters you.

>>9869989
For the same reason so many girls stuff themselves into ill fitting clothes and then cry and say people wouldn't have called them ita if they were thin, as if fit and sizing don't matter. Girls with no sense of style or aesthetic are into this to play kawaii uguu princess dress up and don't take lolita seriously as a fashion, hence atrocities like ill fitting clothes and hideous shoes are a common sight.

>>9869527
Isnt it literally just asking for a certain type of content like every other site everywhere? Thats like saying making a gothic lolita thread is just asking for someone to fill it with irrelevant topics.

90% sure that just being on 4chan is asking for shitposts & pot stirring though.

>>9870025
>80 cm
did... did you mean 70 cm?

>>9870060
Nope 80 cm. Told you I was fat.

>>9869609
Well, Minds has a decent platform for the type of discussion board you're talking about, but that move will never happen in a million years.

>>9869603
AatP has had much worse quality problems than modern Baby.

>>9869729
Can you actually try things on in-store though? When I went to AP in Harajuku there was nowhere to try anything on, and even when I was in lolita and went into closetchild they were very hesitant to let me try anything on.

>high waists look bad on everyone compared to regular waists, even on thin people
>getting lolita altered shouldn't be taboo, it's better than seeing people try to wear things that don't fit them (again, both fat and thin)
>makeup is mandatory for lolita and if your hair is limp or otherwise inappropriate for the love of god wear a wig
>all comms should ban itas that don't improve within some time span
>posting to BTB or here shouldn't be a bannable offence
>concrit shouldn't be disallowed on any posts in CoF
>underskirts look bad 90% of the time
>haenuli making such large sizes hurts her brand

>>9870107
That shitty 'featherweight' boning that bends even when the item fits correctly. I own a lot of aatp and that damn boning is incredibly frustrating.

>>9870131
If what is posted online means anything, her larger sizes sell quite well. Wouldn't you rather see larger people wearing clothes that fit/flatter instead of stuffing themselves into brand that doesn't?

>>9870171
I meant it hurts the reputation of her brand, not sales wise. Everyone just sees Haenuli as the fatty brand now.

>>9870131
>haenuli making such large sizes hurts her brand
The stream of complaints that there wasn't 4XL on the last few releases brought me physical pain to read
The only people I see wearing her new pieces are all planets so it looks terrible most of the time.
Maybe it's actually helping her monetarily even though her brand's reputation takes a hit.

>>9870131
>high waists look bad on everyone compared to regular waists, even on thin people
I have an unusually small waist, so anything that doesn't snatch my waist in makes me look awful.

>I hate OTT sweet. I already have a milk dislike for pastel coloured vomit turned into outfits.
>I am not the biggest fan of prints. I prefer plain colour block pieces that are cut nicely over an eye burning busy print.
>Not an unpopular opinion, but if you are buying your first wig, don't buy one that is unnaturally coloured from halloween clearence. If a wig is cheap, it's too good to be true.
>Not every outfit needs all-out poof.
>If you post any outfit online, people should be allowed to give concrit. If you don't like it, don't post shit.

>>9869952
yeah, at least sugar babies are working for that burando. Spoilt kids do nothing and just whine that everyone is mad jel of them.

>>9870178
4XL is a size that should not exist. Not gonna lie, I'm not at my preferred weight right now. But if you that big, you need to admit you have a problem and stop trying to get people to accomidate your eating disorder.

>>9870187
I don't even think Haenuli's 2XL should be a thing in lolita. >>9870178 is baffling.

>>9870185
Hating ott sweet doesn't. Eking in the unpopular opinions thread. Neither does not liking prints. Neither does not liking party city wigs, not liking too much poof, or being concrit-happy. Maybe you should start a thread for "shit that cgl bitches about on a regular basis" because all your opinions are popular here.

>>9870195
*doesnt belong

>>9870187
Agreed. Of course people of every size should be able to clothe themselves, but those clothes don’t need to be lolita. That $200+ spent on unnecessary ruffles should be spent on healthier food, therapy or a gym membership instead. Fashion shouldn’t get priority over your health.

>>9870173
>>9870178

I think it's smart to corner that little niche of the market. If fat girls have money and want dresses, why not? It's gotta be better than trying to beat burando at the status game, or trying to out-design the 9805327084532807 indie taobao stores that poop out a new memey dress every other week.

As for being known as the "fat girl" brand, I don't see any harm to it. What you really want to avoid is being the "ita" brand, like the way Bodyline or replicas consistently turn up in the ita thread all the time and get shit on. That's going to hurt your rep way more than simply being the "fat" brand.

I just mostly don't like Haenuli because I don't like how she handled some issues such as upselling random trinkets. Although I guess if it came down to that I should also stop buying from Meta, because they're the original ones who started the upselling nonsense.

>>9870195
>shit that cgl bitches about on a regular basis

loled, that honestly sounds like a fun thread concept

>>9870201
I thought so too, lol I wasn't even kidding

Time to unleash my salt.
>High waists look bad. I don't like them on even the most petite girl.
>Abilletage corset tights look cheap in my opinion.
>It's okay to not wear makeup if you can rock it. I personally can't, but some people look perfectly fine. Though this does not extend to fancy coords.
>How vocal you are in online communities often correlates to how badly dressed you are.
>People should not give concrit if they are not able to coord better than the outfit they are critiquing.
>cgl's number of rpers is probably higher than you think. I notice a lot of anons critiquing and suggesting things that are impractical in daily life. Colour matching being one of them. Irl it isn't the end of the world if something isn't the exact shade of gold or whatever.
>Shoehorning can be nice. It's not a sin to add a colour that isn't in the print if it goes well.
>COF isn't a place for you to post to every day. Though that may have been the initial intention, with the rise of instagram and whatnot, you have plenty of other places to post if you are wearing lolita every day. Bonus points if the person is vying for efame and using COF as an advertising platform.
>I don't understand why people are surprised when fancy coords get the most likes in COF. They're the most eyecatching, of course they're going to draw in more attention.
>"I'm a lolita and I'm not a NICE LADY, I'm a REAL PERSON" and "I'm a polite young lady who does not drink because that is uncouth, I'm a LOLITA" people are both as annoying as each other.

and maybe the most unpopular opinion of all
>People who try to analyse lolita to the molecular level are tryhards. Not everything has deep dark meanings.

>>9870187
I'm a 4x and I definitely have a problem. I'm working on it. It's harder than it was in my 20s and 30s but I'm working on it. I haven't even attempted to buy any lolita yet because even if it "fit" I'd look terrible in it. If and when I get down to an XL or 2x, I'm going to buy myself something as a reward. It might still look terrible, but I'm gonna try it anyway. Depending on how it looks, I might wear it out in public or I might spare everybody's eyeballs and stay home.

>Plus-size and tall Lolita’s shouldn’t wear High-waist dresses, it looks awful on them.
>Plus-size Lolita’s should refer from wearing Full/Full back shirring dresses.
>Saloppettes are not suitable for Lolita and look bad on most people. It can get a pass for Ouji but it still looks too frumpy most of the time.

>>9870173
>implying it was never not the fatty brand
>>9870171
Honestly I’d rather just see fat lolitas lose weight. Chubby girls can still fit shirred brand and manage to look cute doing it. I don’t care so much about people’s life choices, but seeing someone’s three guts deform a dress will never be kawaii to me. You can’t be obese and look like a princess. Fix what’s fixable first.

Contributing
>people don’t pay enough attention to how non-petti undergarments affect how lolita looks
>most cowtits would be fixed with a well-fitting, non-padded bra
> All the good brands that are still alive are gothic

>>9870215
>"I'm a lolita and I'm not a NICE LADY, I'm a REAL PERSON" and "I'm a polite young lady who does not drink because that is uncouth, I'm a LOLITA" people are both as annoying as each other.
Absolutely agreed, holy shit.
I'm all for the lifestyle and manners but girls who overdo it and put up a dainty demure ladylike front just to be "more lolita" are insufferable and, from experience, usually do it to overcompensate for awfulness that they're hiding. Or for the fact they're dressed badly, or both.
Meanwhile girls who act like baboons at meetups because "lol I'm a Real Person I can talk about sex loudly in public and flash my bloomers at passerby who cares!! lolitas aren't lovelies!!!1" are despicable and embarrassing, and I wish this behavior warranted a ban from comms.

>i don't like wigs, period. doesn't matter how bad your hair is
>old school is almost always ugly
>all of AP's cherry prints are hideous
>the people who whine about "spoiled kids who brag about their parents buying everything and call everyone else jealous" are the poorfag equivalent of itas who go "all lolitas who wear brand are snobby elitist brandwhores"

> I'd rather flash my panties than bloomers at any day of the week. it's better to deal with, than having people think I'm into some kind of kink.

>>9870199
this is what she should have done:

S/M, L/XL, and custom
Any size on the planet but she’s gonna upcharge based on a base custom fee and extra for materials if necessary.

I know custom sizes aren’t easy to do but it seems easier than making special 4XL sizing. At that point it just sounds like she’s trying to say how cool she is for so many sizing options when it wouldn’t be much harder to just do customs for the big ppl

>all these anons who can't greentext their way out of a paper bag

>>9870282
I've got bad news for you, anon: People think you're into some kind of kink just by seeing you, a woman over the age of 8, wearing a frilly dress and a bow in your hair for no apparent reason.

>>9869863
>when you can see the crotch join or the waistband
Has this happened?? Ever??

>>9869866
I just had to post this to compare..It makes me so sad VM is closing.

>>9869609
>>9869612
Amino definitely got ruined by itas, but I think Alice Holic actually has some potential.

The only thing is their tagging system is very lacking, as well as people suck at tagging. Sometimes I just want to look at coord colors like mint x pink or whatever. I miss EGL for that.

>>9870254
>Non-petti undergarments
So,bloomers and maybe underskirts? Does anyone have comparison images for bloomers Vs no bloomers poof? I just use biking shorts and I'm considering buying bloomers if they do give you the extra poof

>>9870351
It's better to post a comparison to a design that actually looks similar. >>9869866

>>9870117
Are you chubbier than the average Lolita model? Maybe they just don't want you to stretch their clothes(even if you fit just fine)

>>9869594
So much agreed. I'm tall and most lolita clothing looks like shit on me since it was made for shorter girls. Still, I wear what fits with my body instead of trying to stuff myself into things like a lot of girls do.

> shirring isn't supposed to be stretched out all the way. Part of the interest and use of shirring os a design element, making the dress/blouse/whatever look more interesting and opulent.

>>9869829
>new classic releases are dead
What about JetJ anon? They still release solids sometimes that are pretty clearly classic, even if they're not exactly like VM and MM were.

>>9869683
>>lolitas who worship left-wing ideologies leaning towards communism need a brain transplant or stop wearing the fashion because it embodies everything they should oppose.

lol +1

>>9869900
god, not me. I can't stand the instagram overly dramatic-bordering-on-drag makeup. the brows need to go.

>>9870240
You can do it, anon. when I first discovered lolita in the early 2000s, I weighed 300 pounds. I spent all my time daydreaming about being pretty and being able to wear it, but eventually gave up on my dream. in ~2010 I finally lost weight and have been 'average' since then. I finally decided to give some 2nd hand brand a shot in 2014 (before that I kept trying to buy bodyline and kept getting extremely disillusioned with it) and found I could actually fit in it! Now I wear only brand pieces and am so happy to finally be here. Don't give up, hope. Losing was extremely hard for me because of hypothyroid, but I did it, and so can you!

>I wish people weren't so scared of experimenting and criticism. Both are great, and hearing another's perspective on your outfit helps you grow and learn, even if they're being dickwads about it. Just don't take it personal

>>9870357
I don't have comparison pics, but I have some ruffle-butt bloomers from F+F and they most definitely do add some extra poof. Plus, more loose fabric is going to give you more bulk under your petti than tight spandex or whatever, but probably not much unless you have specifically fluffy bloomers.

>>9870403
Thank you for the encouragement, anon! I'm definitely going to keep at it.

>>9870240
Good luck anon, rooting for you

>>9870381
My god, yes. Also +1

>>9869527
I think it's silly to avoid doing something just because someone might shitpost. In fact, I think this is a bit ironic to say, since wearing lolita in public is definitely "stirring the pot" and will definitely attract attention, possibly negative. We still wear it anyway.

If I or anyone else wants to see a thread with particular (cgl-related) content, then make the thread, man.

>>9870361
>>9869866
Maybe I'm blind, but these actually look really similar to me? Both look cute and classic imo

>>9870357
Honestly, I meant more getting a proper-fitting bra (for those it applies to) to lift your boobs to where the dress actually accounts for them. Bloomers give an extra oomph to a bell shape, and while I find bloomers nice they weren’t specifically what I was referring to.

>>9870377
JetJ’s older solids are nice, but their new stuff is definitive proof that money can’t buy taste.
>>9870470
Fair enough, I find the VM ones to be more muted color-wise, and tend not to have things like Lace stripes in the middle of bows. I think I’ve just been increasingly disillusioned with IW in general.
>sage for samefagging

>>9869527
You sound like someone who shitposts!

>>9869834
>>9869850
This, thank you! I really like IW for what it is, but I'm so glad I'm not the only one that feels like it's more of a cute, sometimes sweet hybrid classic. Very different aesthetic.

>>9870351
>>9869851
I do still see it as classic, but yeah, the difference between IW and VM is so huge to me. Most people see this, right? I posted in an older VM appreciation thread about being sad VM was closing and some dumb cunt called me an "utter moron" for not jumping to IW as a direct substitute.

>>9870605
I adore both IW and VM but they are absolutely different. I would say that IW is more "playful" with respect to designs and certainly incorporate more sweet into the clothing. IW also follows current trends in lolita fashion (e.g. certain prints, offering just waist and high waist cuts with most releases). Contrastly VM always had their own style and always did their own thing.

>>9869683
>not knowing the difference between communism and democratic socialism ideals
wew

>>9870605
I’m OP, and a unrepentant MM purist. VM/MM are leaps and bounds different from IW. I’ve tried IW and it just doesn’t give me the same feeling as throwing on one of their pieces. It makes me sad that my already small niche in lolita is dying out; especially since there’s already competition for pieces.

>>9870620
This. I'm neither a socialist nor a communist but thinking they're the same shows how ignorant some people are.

since we're talking unpopular opinions here... I have a couple of MM dresses and I was honestly disappointed by the quality after hearing people gush about it. While their design ethos is different to IW's, the quality isn't much better imo. The fabric choice is a bit superior, but both dresses felt more flimsy than several of my IW dresses.
>I was more disappointed by my one JetJ dress, though.

>>9870283
>tfw I'd buy custom just so the waists on her dresses wouldn't be so stupidly large

>>9870317
When a tall girl wears a short hemmed skirt, yes you can see the crotch. There’s one in my comm that wears old AP when it was really short. She bends over to pick something up and even at the slightest bend, you see the crotch of her bloomers under her equally as small petticoat.

>>9870254
Whole-heartedly agree... Particularly in the lolita sewing groups, there are so many pictures of well-intentioned overweight women who look a thousand times worse because they have horrible ill-fitting bras. Add some Spanx into the mix and at least some of the "three guts" issue could theoretically be solved as well

>>9870659
I meant to add that it is by no means just the overweight ones with the horrible bras, but they tend to be the worst offenders

sack dresses look like shit on everyone

>>9869746
To add to this, it makes sense why IW closed their shop in Harajuku. It wasn't very visible and I'm sure it was expensive. Plus they opened a new shop in Marui Annex Shinjuku, right next to all the other big brands so they have so much more visibility to customers.

>>9870624
>>9870620
Socialists, communists and fascista can all go on the same garbage pile.

>>9870707
agreed

>>9870707
>i’m ignorant and have no idea what i’m talking about
christ, this is why we get people like trump in office

>>9870617
Vm also followed trends sometimes in their own way. Do you even follow Japanese fashion trends?

>>9870723
>in their own way

thanks for making my point

>>9870283

That's its own can of worms though. Custom tailoring means drafting a new pattern from scratch for every customer that wants that option, and if the fit is less than perfect it'll get blamed on the bad workmanship, which is going to tank the brand much faster.

And you know 4XL fat girls aren't the brightest bulb who have their shit together, most of them see plus-sized models and think putting on the perfectly tailored dress is supposed to turn their barrel-shaped bodies into hourglasses. They'll get even madder and more annoying trying to figure out that a custom-sized dress can't do anything about your body shape.

>>9870722
Go visit Venezuela and tell me Socialism works.

>>9870756
Tons of European governments literally have socialist aspects you retard

>>9870756
Do you also think the Nazis were socialists just because they called themselves that?
My god, no wonder the US is low ranked educationally.

>>9870770
>aspects
>It's not real socialism
Ok.
Please move that goalpost again, I'm sure you'll change my mind how you don't hate freedom.

>>9870773
Bruh. Nazis are fascists. What the fuck did your history teacher tell you?

>>9870778
Can you fucking read? >>9870620
>>9870624 was agreeing with them too

>>9870756
>Venezuela herp derp socialism herp derp
Christ, no wonder why we Americans get pegged as a bunch of inbred rednecks

>>9870770
Don't bother, anon. You shouldn't fight with retards, you're better than that.

>>9870756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le86H7Xfjrc

>>9870785
what

>>9870780
That’s literally the point, maybe you should reread.

This thread right now is exactly why I dislike actually talking to other lolitas.

>Huur. You're not spending hours of your time typing thoughtful provocative commentary on sociopolitical opinions I'm never going to agree with, you must be a fucking red skinned piece of white trash shit.
No, I'm not. I'm not going to suck your commie dick, so stop asking me to.

>>9870797
>implying the pol ranting retards are lolitas

The difference between sweet, classic, and gothic is nowhere near as distinct and separate as people make it out to be. Coords sometimes have elements of more than one substyle and arguing about whether something is one or the other is nothing but pointless bickering.

>>9870804
So what part of the south are you from again?

>>9870809
Honestly, agreed. The substyles are all influenced by similar sources to some extent, it's possible for a coord to have both gothic and classic elements and it really doesn't matter if it's "tru gothic" as long as it looks good.
I think a lot of roleplayers/lolitas-at-heart like to debate on whether certain coords are truly x substyle because it makes them sound knowledgeable.

>>9870809
I think so too. There are many sweet blouses out there that could work for gothic

>>9870815
All my friends from the south are more liberal than people I've known elsewhere, get your head out of your ass.

>>9870824
kek, sounds like our resident redneck here is getting a little angry at their own ignorance.

>>9870809
>>9870818
Thirded. While this is true for all coordinates, I think that makeup and accessories have a lot to do with nudging hybrid coords in one direction or another.

>>9870827
Not once has any 'retarded redneck' gone down to your level of personal insults, so maybe you aren't actually right, weird how that works.
Bait harder.

>>9870117
You can if you go to the right store. Also to try on blouses you need a undershirt. Closetchild won't let you try on blouses, but everything else is fair game.

>>9870827
I wasn't even the person you're replying to. These bait posts are getting old fast. Can some janitor clean up this thread please?

>>9869554
>“mana-sama“ is outdated and no Classic or Sweet Lolita should feel the need to worship him
omg this. does anyone have the pic of some girl who posted a moitie coord to COF and had a shitty little Mana "shrine" in frame but had her wardrobe hanging out and it was almost all Jane Marple? I need it.

To contribute:
>If someone doesnt want concrit thats fine
I hate this "dont post your picture unless you want my opinion on it" mindset. just let them post their pic and go, if its bad just.....dont like it and scroll past.....

>>9870842
No one called you a retarded redneck. Freudian slip while reading, maybe?

>>9870846
Sure you aren’t sweetie. Maybe take the time to learn the difference between communism, socialism, and fascism before you look like fool next time, alright?

>>9870870
>Christ, no wonder why we Americans get pegged as a bunch of inbred rednecks
Close enough bruh

>Wearing lolita items with normie wear and vice versa isn't a big deal if you're already fashionable/have a good eye or are just plain cute.
>Low poof looks fine for casual. Half the time someone comments "needs more poof," the girl is probably already wearing a petticoat, it's just hard to tell in photos.
>No one needs to be experimental or over the top in lolita. No one needs to "grow." We're not in art school or a contest, and we're not being graded. They're clothes.
>Online comms such as Discord servers, Animo, COF, etc., were a mistake. It encourages e-fame and big, obnoxious personalities.
>Someone's personal opinions shouldn't matter or have anything to do with their "lolita cred." Yes, that includes any weird sex shit they're into (unless it's illegal).

>>9870874
>thinking everyone calling out your ignorance is the same person
Nice try bud

>>9870809
This. Especially with old school imo. A lot of old school pieces have a very gothic look or feel to them, but when you pay attention to the details such as the lace you'll notice it's very sweet (i.e. hearts, flowers, scalloped)

>AP needs to die already, their recent releases will never be as iconic as their older ones
>fatties need to stay the hell away from full shirring
>don’t use your “invisible illness” as an excuse to not get criticism when you post on COF. If you can’t deal with those “mean elitist lolitas” giving suggestions on how to improve please gtfo

>>9870983
>AP needs to die already

It's still doing better than any other company and selling more on average than any other sweet brand second hand?

>buying second hand doesn’t show you support brands.

>people who only buy secondhand are the reason brands don’t want to open more world wide shops.

>Brands will release items that appeal to the Asian market because Asians buy directly from the brands and not wait for second hand sales to show up on closetchild or other second hand sites.

>western countries will never get “tea party only” releases and parties like japan and China because of the spending habits of western lolitas.

>Magical girl and sailor moon do not belong in lolita.

>themed coords like Harry Potter or avengers themed coords are tacky and take it into costume territory. We already have to fight the costume stigma, why wear a costume if you want to be taken seriously in the fashion?

>>9870265
>I wish this behavior warranted a ban from comms
Same here but the worst offender in my comm is actually a mod, so it’s not going to happen. I’ve never met any princess roleplayer lolitas but know way too many people who behave like screaming children in public and justify it as “lolitas don’t have to be lovelies” when someone asks them to tone it down.
Come to think of it, these people probably see me as a fake “lovly” since I cross my ankles when I sit and don’t talk about my sex life with strangers. Oh well.

>>9870983
>don’t use your “invisible illness” as an excuse to not get criticism when you post on COF
Or when you post anywhere else for that matter, and to piggyback on this: Don't use your illness for pity points and to present yourself as oh so frail and fragile and Like A Real Doll to try garner sympathy and efame. As a lolita who struggles with leading a somewhat normal life while ill, this bullshit makes my blood boil. Fuck you if you do this, doubly so if you run to the media with this shit, you're throwing all of us under the bus for your selfishness and you have much bigger problems than whatever "illness" you diagnosed yourself with.

>>9871084
>buying second hand doesn’t show you support brands
Not only is this an unpopular opinion, it's objectively wrong.
I can tell you for a fact that my small-ish comm started appreciating and buying more brand when they saw me wearing it, and I mostly buy secondhand. Plus, it's common for sellers to use the money they get from secondhand sales to buy something else that they like better, so buying secondhand supports the market and actively wearing brand (new or otherwise) raises the demand for it.
Not to mention that brands/designers have rereleased designs that flopped when they were in stock solely because they became super popular on the secondhand market, so yes,
TL;DR: Buying secondhand does support the brands and it does matter.

AP's new releases look cheap. I wouldn't tell if it's AP or taobao without the brand logo.

>>9870730
Innocent World also does it in their own way. So what's your point again?

>>9870797
>implying 4chan is a good representation of what lolitas are like

>>9870850
Maybe she loves Mana as a musician

>>9871091
>you want to be taken seriously in the fashion
If I always wanted to be taken seriously by people I wouldn't wear lolita. A costume is when you dress up as someone else. It's okay to have fun sometimes.

>>9871084
I agree with you. Top tier unpopular opinion, poorfags don't want to hear it but brands need us to buy from them directly or they close, like excentrique and VM

>>9871206
No it doesn’t. Buying second hand brand doesn’t support the brands. All it supports is someone else’s spending. They won’t always spend the money you gave them on new brand. They can take that money and pay bills, buy something else secondhand or spend it on something entirely diffrent. This isn’t supporting brand. Just because you’re wearing also won’t guarantee that brand is making sales. It just means your showing a dress giving people more interest to buy it which will be likely second hand and not directly.

Sorry but you are not supporting brand buying second hand because your money isn’t going to the brand. It’s going to a third market seller.

>>9871284
I did acknowledge the fact the money doesn't go directly to the brand when you buy secondhand, but I also said that doing so supports the market, and that designers notice what their customers like based on it, and it's true. It's not going to save brands from closing, which is why I also buy new whenever something new appeals to me, but again, it does matter.

Most people on this board have a poor grasp of what shoehorning actually is. No, adding a color that isn't in the main piece doesn't automatically mean that it's shoehorned in.

>>9871287
Agreed a thousand times.

>>9871284
>>9871262
You guys have really narrow point of view and can't see the bigger picture. Buying brand secondhand is much more likely to help brands than buying from taobao and bodyline.

>>9870381
totally get that but oldschool era was a lot less 'collect the prints' and had ties to underground punk, goth and other alt movements. That's what made it so appealing, and therefore perhaps on the surface, self contradictory - looking like a twisted human doll reject from some dilapidated, once stately manor house. The original 'alt' aspects of lolita seem to have pretty much died out to become something else entirely.

I think it's these aspects that a lot of older lolitas, or those looking back at lolita fashion history get a certain wistful yearning for.

I mean look at the iconic Kamikaze Girls/Shimotsuma Story movie - despite Momoko fantasising about being a member of the aristocracy, she comes from a humble home herself and isn't in anyway wealthy - she treasures the few pieces she owns and regularly DIYs. Ichigo the Yanki character is like the other side of the same coin, very different in style and demeanour but ultimately they both represent doing your own thing and not being afraid to to do what you want in life, even if it flies in the face of convention. It's also the power to dream and lose yourself in fantasy when so many aspects of modern life might be unappealing.

Having said these things, it's almost as if the hyper consumerism aspect of modern lolita was an inevitability - where 'doing things for yourself' became tied right into spending money on arguably frivolous, impractical things purely for the joy of it. As much as I completely understand the cynicism towards modern lolita, I think it was only ever going to die out or evolve, which in case of the current state of the fashion, means inevitability being tied up in modern consumerist culture.
.
To keep this more strictly on topic I was gonna say:

>the vast majority of modern prints do nothing for me and sometimes the process of lolita pieces collecting seems to resemble scrabbling for Beanie Babies in the 90s.

>>9871328
>the vast majority of modern prints do nothing for me
Seconded, except for solids rather than prints. I do buy the pieces I like but most of my favorite pieces, design wise, were released around 2006-2009, which is kind of depressing to consider.

>>9871325
Not really, it's about the same.

>>9871361
>inb4 buying replicas doesn't matter either
>t-the replica-chans wouldn't buy brand anyway!!1

>>9871325
If you buy brand secondhand you are putting buying power into the hands of someone who does buy from the brands.
You get the older piece you want and they can now afford AP's MTO.
Buying something that has passed through several hands is a zero sum/neutral transaction that neither helps nor harms.
You can't really compare it to buying taobao or replicas, because that's making a choice as a customer that deleniates your support. If you buy taobao, you are making a choice not to buy from AP, to keep the example linear.

>>9871369
Sorry, I forgot to say "I agree, here's why"
My bad

>>9871361
People see what I wear. If I look good in a brand coord, they will ask where's that from and pay more attention to that brand. My favourite dresses were only added to my wishlist after I saw someone else wear them, and I bought some of them directly from the brand when they were re-released.

>>9871284
Do you... know how markets work? The girl who bought the original piece buys from the brand itself. The secondhand buyer then puts money in the pocket of the girl who likely buys brand. The brand buyer can then go buy brand from the brands again.

Also, the second hand market is incredibly important for the life of the brand itself. Do you think it's some magical coincidence when a brand rereleases a very popular print? What about those obscure ones that are around a thousand second hand? Brands actually need to see the secondhand market so that they can see what is in demand. It is one thing to have a bunch of lolitas ask for Milky Planet as a rerelease, it's another thing for the brands to see themselves it goes for nothing special secondhand, therefore it's a wise decision not to rerelease.

>>9871362
>all taobao and bodyline dresses are the same as replicas!!!
Nice try, retard.

>>9871372
>My favourite dresses were only added to my wishlist after I saw someone else wear them, and I bought some of them directly from the brand when they were re-released
Except most dresses don't get rereleased, making most people search for them secondhand again anyways.
Trying to say that buying secondhand indirectly gives money to brands because there's a CHANCE that the person you're buying from the brand directly is a reach. In the same way you can say that buying from taobao brands lets the owners have money to buy from brands too.
Contrary to what you seem to think, most people who buy from taobao or bodyline don't exclusively buy from there only for their entire lives. You could argue that buying taobao or bodyline gives newbies the same step into the fashion as secondhand brand does, which will lead to them buying brand in the future.

Might actually be a popular opinion, but I get the nicest feeling of schadenfreude whenever obvious lolitas-at-heart get told what's good by actual lolitas.

>>9871206
This

>>9871284
You have no idea how it works,do you?

>>9871381
>Do you think it's some magical coincidence when a brand rereleases a very popular print? What about those obscure ones that are around a thousand second hand? Brands actually need to see the secondhand market so that they can see what is in demand.
Except if this were true, then Puppet Circus, Gloria, etc. would've been rereleased.
Brands (especially AP) determine which releases get rereleases by seeing how fast they sell initially and how much demand there is from the original release, not by the secondhand market.

>>9871383
You'd be surprised to find out how many girls, newbies or otherwise, feel perfectly at home wearing their shitty taobao and bodyline and not only thinking that it's equal to brand, but some of them also think they're superior for it, making this
>buying taobao or bodyline gives newbies the same step into the fashion as secondhand brand does, which will lead to them buying brand in the future
a weak argument.
Please read this again >>9871369

>>9871383
Found the taobao-chan

And idk I buy and wear brand nearly exclusively. I recently sold some brand secondhand so I could buy AP's recent MTO. It's more likely for me, somebody who's loyal to a brand and owns a lot of brand, than somebody who owns a lot of taobao to directly support the brand instead of buying another taobao dress.

>>9871394
>You'd be surprised to find out how many girls, newbies or otherwise, feel perfectly at home wearing their shitty taobao and bodyline and not only thinking that it's equal to brand, but some of them also think they're superior for it
Except you have no statistical evidence that this is the majority of them, rather than a loud minority, making this entirely an anecdotal assumption.
Just because you put money in the hands of someone who might have bought directly from a brand (since you have no way to tell for sure that they didn't purchase it from another seller), doesn't mean that the money will go to the brand. If I purchase a Louis Vuitton bag on ebay secondhand, I'm not going to be thinking I'm supporting Louis Vuitton because there's no way to tell if the person is going to reinvest in the brand.
Your argument is weak and based on the assumption that the sellers you purchase from are buying directly from the brand, when they could easily be purchasing off other lolitas and reselling.

>>9871395
read >>9871398

>>9871390
>Puppet Circus
is a collab with Imai Kira; collabs rarely if ever get rereleased regardless of popularity because they're meant to be exclusive.

>Gloria
AP have supposedly said in one of the recent tea parties that printing on velvet is a complicated process, and cited that as the reason for the lack of velvet prints in recent years.

>Brands (especially AP) determine which releases get rereleases by seeing how fast they sell initially and how much demand there is from the original release, not by the secondhand market.
Again, objectively wrong. AP have done it recently with Mercator Antique Shop and Meta have done it with one of their ancient gobelin pieces; those are two instances off the top of my head and there have been more in the past.
Try again maybe?

>>9871390
Are you kidding me? They've stated why Puppet Circus can't be released and they're completely, fully aware of the fact it's a legendary piece that has demand and it sells outrageously on the second hand market. Do you even know what you're talking about? Usually when a piece cannot be manifested into a convenient MTO, it's due to numerous issues. With Puppet Cirucs as an example, they've stated it's because it'd be too expensive to manufacture now, on top of being a collab. Isn't Gloria made of the exact same old velvet material? Well, there you go.

AP will decide in modern times that if something sells out, they may do a MTO, sometimes even immediately after. It was not always this way and your newfag is showing. You need to be in lolita a bit more before saying AP just doesn't want to make Puppet Circus and Gloria rereleases for no reason and that the secondhand market determines nothing.

>>9871398
>comparing Louis Vuitton prices to new brand prices
>>9871399
Do you seriously think that somebody who owns a lot of taobao and sells a bunch of their secondhand taobao is just as likely to buy new from a brand as somebody who owns a lot of brand and sells a bunch of brand

>>9871402
adding on to this
Sweetie Violet came out in 2014. It got rereleased because it's held its value in the secondhand market and has sold consistently at or above retail. The same happened with Celestial last year.

>>9871381
Very very good points here.
Part of what makes these dresses 'worth' buying at full retail is the ability to resell it even years later for at least half the cost you paid for it, that's huge!
Brand buyers pay a premium for a premium product and have value sitting in their closets that they can liquidate if they need to.
The fact that some dresses gain in popularity and go for higher than msrp can make some people pull the trigger on getting a dress that may not really be what they're into.

Our secondhand markets are vital. If they die, our fashion dies. When the market for lolita in China reaches it's apex and crashes back down, those taobao brands will all wish they're products had resell value. Krad will be fine though.

>>9871402
>Mercator Antique Shop and Meta have done it with one of their ancient gobelin pieces
Except those, along with more recent AP rereleases, were due to chinese demand and them writing in directly to AP, not the secondhand market. Meta's ancient gobelin pieces weren't selling for exorbitant prices, and neither was Mercator. There's no proof that the secondhand market sales were the cause of the rerelease.

>>9871403
>you're saying something I don't like to hear so you're a NEWFAG!!!
Nice try, retard. AP didn't frequently do MTO rereleases before, and when they did it was because of overwhelming popularity and requests, not from secondhand sales.

>>9871411
>Sweetie Violet came out in 2014. It got rereleased because it's held its value in the secondhand market and has sold consistently at or above retail. The same happened with Celestial last year.

This is not why they got rereleased. Celestial had tons of Chinese lolitas writing in to AP for a rerelease; they do it quite frequently.

>>9871416
>being expensive secondhand isn't why they got rereleased

uh, but high secondhand price correlates with popularity in China- those pieces go for so much because people want to buy them.
that's why those fucking BTSSB babydoll jsks are expensive secondhand and why Baby keeps churning them out, because the Chinese fucking love them (as well as the prints I mentioned)

Or were you talking about the western market exclusively? Because I'm pretty sure AP doesn't give a shit about what the west wants in comparison to what China/JP want.

>>9871413
>Meta's ancient gobelin pieces weren't selling for exorbitant prices
Actually that's the exact, precise reason why that specific piece/set was rereleased. It was in an interview with the designer iirc, who said she felt heartbroken to see girls paying so much for it secondhand so she decided to release it again. I might try finding said interview myself unless another more diligent anon does so before me.
Is admitting you're wrong really so difficult?

>>9871383
Actually the brands I follow do re-releases every year

>>9871418
>high secondhand price correlates with popularity in China
Not necessarily true either, Holy Lantern and Misty Sky were going for about retail after all the rereleases, but they still keep churning them out because they sell so well during MTOs.
>BTSSB babydoll jsks are expensive secondhand
Huh? unless I'm thinking of the wrong dress, those go for relatively cheap.

>>9871413
Just saying, from a business perspective, it would be absolutely moronic not to have a market analyst on payroll to keep tabs on second hand sales.
There is a load of trend and market information to be gained from it, which is critical to keeping themselves competitive.
You think any reasonable business owner that's been around the block as long BTSSB would seripusly put all their eggs in China's basket?
Anyone with half an interest in economics knows that that bubble will burst, and Chinese nouveau riche are very 'next best thing'.

>>9871423
> that's the exact, precise reason why that specific piece/set
You didn't state a specific set; in general, Meta's gobelin pieces don't sell for super high prices. Is admitting that you aren't actually supporting brands when you buy 3000 yen jsks off yahoo.jp so hard?

>>9871425
Doing a rerelease every year doesn't mean that every dress they make gets rereleased.

>>9871431
>You didn't specify which one of Meta's numerous gobelin sets was rereleased so clearly you're making it up

>>9871430
Except lolita brands have proven time and time again that they are absolute ass at running their business.

>>9871431
All of the prints I had on my wishlist of Jane Marple, ETC and Excentrique got re-released

>>9871432
No one said you were making up anything, but guess your Freudian slip shows the truth.

>>9871428
Going for retail price in secondhand markets is a lot though? Most dresses sell for below retail if they're not insanely popular. Look at Melty Cream Donut, that got rereleased and it rarely goes for retail anymore. Misty Sky and Holy Lantern still do though.

>>9871435
>Jane Marple
>ETC
kek
And again, the statement still stands. Doing a rerelease every year doesn't mean that every dress they make gets rereleased, even if the dresses you like get rereleased.

>>9871438
what's wrong with Jane Marple and ETC? mad you can't afford them, taobao-chan?

>>9871438
Do you even remember what you were arguing? Who cares if literally every print gets re-released or not? I bought directly from brand because I saw someone wearing it and she bought it secondhand

>>9871436
That is not what a Freudian slip is. Like not even close.

>>9871383
>>9871398
must suck being poor and only being able to afford cheap shitty taobao. it explains why you're desperately trying to justify yourself and lashing out at anons who can actually afford brand, secondhand and new

>>9871434
They've been around this long, they're doing some things right.
You're just not framing your perspective with Japanese business practices in mind, which are in fact, pretty much 90% ass.

>>9871439
>>9871440
We're talking about lolita here, salty otome-chan.
Maybe you should reread if you couldn't comprehend the conversation the first time. Not all prints get rereleased. If you buy a dress secondhand and someone else wants to buy that dress too, they are most likely going to end up buying it secondhand too, rather than directly from the brand, because the brand may not have it in stock. Your anecdotal experience is not the norm; in the same vein, I've seen brand dresses that someone bought secondhand that I ended up having to buy secondhand because it was never rereleased.

>>9871444
Jane Marple and ETC are literally lolita brands to the Japanese
holy shit, you really are an angry newfag

>>9871441
You should probably look up what a Freudian slip means then, sweetie.

>>9871442
Imagine being this upset when you realize you're not supporting brands when you buy cheap shit off fril. Taobao and a lot of secondhand brand are the same price anyways; at least try to come up with an insult that makes sense.

>>9871444
Oh it wasn't the right brand, that changes everything. It's not like gothic lolita brands in general keep releasing the same stuff or anything.

>>9871448
>implying secondhand brand prices are comparable to secondhand taobao prices
sorry you're poor, taobao-chan

>>9871446
>y-you're a newfag because i don't like what you say!!!11!!
The japanese have far looser standards of what is lolita then westerners do. Most of the shit Misako calls "soft lolita" doesn't look lolita at all.

>>9871444
You're wrong, no amount of entrenching yourself in your faulty understanding of economics will help you be less wrong.
I wish you the best anon, I can't say I cherish your opinions, but it must be nice living in such a nice and simple world.

>>9871452
>>y-you're a newfag because i don't like what you say!!!11!!
But I didn't say that? You're a newfag because you literally don't know what the Japanese call lolita brands. Being poor and stupid must be a horrible combination

>>9871450
How does this prove in any way that brands are rereleasing things because of the secondhand market? They're rereleasing because it's popular every time they release it or it's highly requested; Moite, Jetj, VM, ran surveys on what dresses to rerelease.

>>9871451
No one was talking about secondhand taobao. Nice job trying to twist things when you're wrong.
And have you seen the prices of secondhand taobao on LM? People are trying to sell them for $50-60 dollars. You can get a cheap secondhand brand dress for that.

>>9871459
>you can't bring up secondhand taobao even though I brought up new taobao and secondhand brand!!
sorry you're poor and retarded, taobao-chan

>>9871444
>>9871459
People are trying to tell you that person has developed an interest in that brand and is more likely to support that brand than before

>>9871457
Clearly you didn't understand the first time, so I'll repeat it to you slowly. Japanese standards for what is considered lolita are different than western standards. Try not to project so hard next time when you don't understand!
>y-you don't think buying secondhand brand is supporting brands so you must be poor!
kek, nice logic there.

>>9871453
>y-you're wrong! you're wrong because I say so, so there!
k, go live in your happy bubble where every piece of secondhand clothing you buy is supporting the brand 100%!

>>9871459
Nearly all popular or semi-popular secondhand brand still goes for 100-200 though.

>>9871463
MILK, Jane Marple, and ETC are still at their core lolita brands though. We've been talking about western and eastern markets this entire time, why are you trying to make this entirely about the west now?

Nobody said buying secondhand brand supports the brand 100%, they said buying secondhand brand supports brands more than buying taobao. Try not to project so hard next time when you don't understand!

>>9871468
It literally does not matter if they are lolita brands or not, she's just trying to derail

>>9871461
Except you were greentexting saying I was the one who mentioned secondhand taobao. Which I didn't. Doesn't change the fact that some secondhand taobao pieces go for secondhand brand prices. Must suck when you can't buy straight from the brand so you have to defend buying secondhand to the death.

>>9871462
Except that's not necessarily true? If you get interested in a brand from secondhand pieces you see someone else wear, but those pieces are older pieces that aren't representative of what the brand releases today, you're likely going to be looking in the secondhand market for them, not from the brand. I sure as hell wouldn't be looking to buy from AP now if what I was interested from them was their older solid pieces.

>>9871464
So does Krad Lanrete.

>>9871473
why do taobao tards always bring up krad when theyre talking about expensive secondhand prices. literally no other taobao brand sell secondhand for this much except for those weird ass princess dresses (though brand dresses in those styles can go for 10x as much)

>>9871468
>getting this offended over wearing otome dresses
kek
>they said buying secondhand brand supports brands more than buying taobao
Except it isn't, they're about the same level of support: incidental and largely non-brand supporting.

>>9871475
+1

>>9871475
R-Series does too. Try to pay attention to the market.

Not sure if unpopular opinion but all this otome talk got me thinking
>Otome should really be more popular in the west. Lolitas need to show more interest in it because it just doesn't have an overseas presence and otome brands are apathetic as a result
>Otome is practically the true answer to "casual lolita."
>People who mince over otome/soft lolita/etc. really don't help this fashion style gain any ground. Call it what you want, there needs to be more of it.
>If Otome were bigger, we could hide under the label "otome" if we don't feel comfortable calling it lolita to someone not in the know.
>Otome pieces in the longrun would be better investments than lolita brands for growing older and easier to blend into a normal closet if you quit
>Overall it's disappointing otome has next to no love in the West or apparently the huge China market too

>>9871473
Oh, since it's not ALWAYS true I guess it's never true

>>9871413
When did AP do "frequent MTO"? Are you trying to say this happened all the time in 2006 or something? Give me years, anon.
>>9871423
This anon is right. Is it so hard to admit you're wrong?

>>9871482
I guess if you're retarded enough to interpret things like that, then sure.

>>9871480
>Otome is practically the true answer to "casual lolita."
Some Japanese lolitas do consider it casual lolita and I remember when I first joined my comm(more than 5 years ago) I asked some newfag questions about ETC and I was told it's basically a casual lolita brand, so it's not a new idea. They've also been in GLB but they're obviously not gothic so...

>>9871484
Are you sure you read that correctly sweetie? Because you're not making any sense.

AP does do MTOs frequently in the past 5 years compared to earlier.

>>9871478
assuming we're talking about lacemarket
pratically all of those 100-200 dollar listings are from 2015-2016 when everything cost more or from newfags who don't know how prices work (i.e. that dress they bought for $150 sold 3 months earlier for 70 bucks)
meanwhile, popular secondhand brand prices are much more consistent on LM. try to pay attention to the market

>>9871489
There's 5 R-Series listings sold with $100-200 pricing within the past two months alone.
Ecailles de Lune has frequently sold in that same range in the past year.

>>9871487
>sweetie
Sorry, luvly. Are you the anon that can't admit she's wrong? Secondhand sales mean everything to a brand, despite what you may think. It shows supply and demand and even sleeper hits. I honestly can't believe you don't think brands watch or care about secondhand sales in any form.

>>9871489
There's 5 R-Series listings sold with $100-200 pricing within the past two months alone.
Ecailles de Lune has frequently sold in that same range in the past year.
No one said that taobao consistently sells for as much as brand does. However, the statement
>literally no other taobao brand sell secondhand for this much except for those weird ass princess dresses
is objectively false.

Tulle lace looks cheap as hell regardless of how good its quality is. Even (good) raschel lace is better.

>>9869603
>The moitie revival is fucking annoying, gothic lolita should have been allowed to die peacefully.
Undead, undead.

>>9869609
I agree with everyone else. This is a super common opinion.

>>9869527
I agree with >>9869844 it's a thread for me. Just cause it's not for you doesn't mean it's shit stirring. Unless lolita in itself is shit stirring.

>>9870240
Ganbatte anon. I'm also losing weight. See you on the otherside!

>>9871328
I'd love to see more people bringing back the whole DIY Alt-scene vibe.

>Fat girls look best in sweet, as opposed to trying classic/gothic/ etc.

>>9871495
>deletes comment
>y-you're wrong!!!
kek

>Secondhand sales mean everything to a brand
objectively false

> you don't think brands watch or care about secondhand sales in any form.
No one said that though. Just that brand rereleases aren't because of secondhand sales; they're because of large numbers of requests from the target market.

>>9871499
The argument is about if you buy secondhand brand you're supporting brand more than people who only buy taobao/bodyline/offbrand

Unpopular opinion: shoehorning is a lazy practice wherein lolitas pick "interesting" color combos because they don't have the right accessories for a print. You're playing with the ita borderline when you do it, and the whole practice should be discouraged, not praised.

>>9871504
This, if somebody likes your brand dress you tell them where it's from, they might check it out. They might buy something they might not. If it's from Bodyline or taobao they'll check those places instead

>>9871504
Yes, and that changes nothing about the statement.
Even if brands watch the secondhand market, they don't choose to rerelease because of the secondhand market. They likely watch popular taobao/offbrand releases as well, but that doesn't mean their prints are directly influenced by taobao or offbrand.
Buying secondhand contributes to a brand around as much as buying from taobao does. It registers in the brand's mind, but it doesn't really influence much.

>>9871499
I don't know which anon you're talking to. You need to calm down, rabid-chan.
>secondhand sales mean everything to brand being "objectively false"
What is objective? You just don't know what you're talking about. Secondhand is something they watch and this proven in interviews.
>claims secondhand sales are irrelevant
>n-no one said that anon!
Are you stupid? Do you not understand it's both? Girls send in requests because of the pressure of secondhand markets.

>>9871516
Are you arguing that people like >>9871440 are a tiny minority or something? Do you think the lolitas that buy from brand directly, didn't buy secondhand from that brand before they started doing that?

>>9871524
>secondhand sales mean everything to brand being "objectively false"
Because it is objectively false. Secondhand sales fall after direct sales and a multitude of other factors. Simply watching secondhand sales doesn't equate to secondhand sales "meaning everything".

>claims secondhand sales are irrelevant
Where? Stop pulling things out of your ass.

>Girls send in requests because of the pressure of secondhand markets.
Again, not 100% true. For recent MTOs, it's usually because they sold out so fast and most people who wanted it didn't get it, not because they looked at the secondhand market and saw how high the dresses were reselling.

>>9871528
>Do you think the lolitas that buy from brand directly, didn't buy secondhand from that brand before they started doing that?
Do you think the lolitas that buy from brand directly, didn't buy taobao/indie/offbrand before they started doing that?
It's not a one way street. Not all taobao/offbrand buyers stick to buying taobao and offbrand, just like not all secondhand brand buyers stick to buying secondhand.

>>9871530
That's not relevant at all. A lot of lolitas start buying from brand after they have experience with that brand secondhand. Thus, the secondhand market supported the brand eventually.

>>9871532
How is it irrelevant? Like you said, the topic at hand is
>if you buy secondhand brand you're supporting brand more than people who only buy taobao/bodyline/offbrand

No one has argued that secondhand brand doesn't support brands at all. It's that taobao and brand support the same amount.

>>9871540
>No one has argued that secondhand brand doesn't support brands at all
That is what they we arguing about lol >>9871084

>>9871545
The topic has changed bud.
Since you didn't comprehend the first time, I'll clarify for you:
No one has argued in the topic at hand, which you stated here >>9871504, that the secondhand market doesn't contribute in any way.

>>9871550
>The topic has changed
No it hasn't, people just started to focus on dumb arguments and insults. What is your unpopular opinion?

>>9871552
Yes, the topic of that train of conversation did change. Please keep up.

>People who care about who supports the brand more are obnoxious and retarded.

>>9871559
So what are you arguing if not the dumb argument of the original topic?

>>9870645
At least she wore bloomers, anon.

>>9871561
It's been linked/quoted at you twice already....

>>9871563
Don't tell me you mean >>9871504 lol

>Head to toe moitie gothic coords are boring and lazy
>people who get upset about conlitas need to get a life because it's really not that serious
>curley and wavey hair (or wigs) looks better than straight hair almost always
>Boz is the best gothic brand
>having two ILDs a year is dumb
>having an international lolita week would be cooler but i realize a week couldnt really work in real life
>Shirring is cute, especially full shirring
>detachable sleeves were the peak of lolita blouses
>princess sleeves are kind of ugly (looking at you AtePie)

>>9871564
Yes, that's literally been the topic of conversation for the past half of the thread starting from >>9871361 and >>9871325
Again, please keep up and read the thread next time so you don't make yourself look dumb.

>>9870131
I totally agree with banning itas from comms. Give them 6 month to improve, and then they are out.

We have this new fag in our comm, been with us going on a year now. insists on making her own dresses, which look like shit-- and trash talks how expensive brand is.
It really upsets me. I wish we could kick her out of the comm.

>>9871572
Are you retarded? Maybe you should read the thread again, especially the title. Don't skip any words.

>>9871578
For someone so intend on calling everyone else retarded, you sure are yourself anon.

>>9871581
Everyone? I just came here, read the entire thread, and noticed you are the only one still arguing

>>9869786
Yes. This to me it’s only passing with sweet. But looks like utter crap with any other style.

>I like shirring. I don't mind the look of front shirring and I never notice back shirring on other people, even if it's stretched out.
>Moitie is beautiful but I rarely see it coorded in any other way than just the typical way.
>Some thigh is okay, but it never looks right when the dress falls higher than the waist. It just looks like your dress doesn't fit you. I'm guilty of this sometimes, so this is a self-roast too.
>Classic is best when it's simple. Ott classic can be nice sometimes but it often looks horrible.
>Heels are always always always better than flats.

>>9871588
You're talking to multiple people anon, i'm not about to ntayrt every time I interrupt

>>9871575
Does she take concrit well? Have y'all tried telling her she looks bad? Has she been posted to the ita thread Before? I make my own coords, too, but I do my research and follow the rules as best as I can. No one tells me I look bad (though I'm well aware of the fact that I'm still in my ita phase). I would consider myself a newfag even. But if no one is telling her she looks bad, and homemade =/= ita unless it looks bad, steps need to be taken to point her to patterns and prints she should be using (and there are patterns out there) before just kicking her out.

If the comm has been giving concrit and she's still blech, then kick her out.

>>9871575
It's not cheap to do homemade unless you're using found fabrics and upcycling, and even then you need notions and equipment. I've heard stories of newfags trying to pass off their Ebay/Milanoo garbage as "homemade". Just sayin.

>All of lolita looks like a costume, and people should own it. It doesn't matter what I wear, if I treat it like normal clothing it's not a costume for me. Gulls who say that a coord looks "costumy" are worse than normies who don't know the fashion.
>Otome isn't a style in a way that western lolitas treat it. It's just a horribly mistranslation of "girly style" which includes lolita.
>Raschel lace is underrated and there are beautiful pieces that use it(mostly meta). It just needs to be good quality.
>Lolita guides online are outdated and give people bad examples. They are also way too much logical and mathematical. It's a fashion, not algebra. Databases with good coords would be a better learning tool.
>I miss lace monsters and other monstrosities that brands like VISIBLE used to make.

>AP looks like cheap taobao at this point and they lost their originality and what made them special to me
>Baby releases also became way less attractive than a few years ago
>2009/2010 were the peak years for lolita
>OTT looks costumey and should only be acceptable for big events
>if you whine about normies thinking you're wearing a costume while wearing OTT you're an idiot
>not wearing lolita daily or every week is fine but if you only wear it once or twice a year at a con/meetup you aren't a "real" lolita
>COF needs more casual coordinates
>you can be a lolita without having brand but it definitely means you aren't as into it as those who own brand given how cheap you can get some secondhand nowadays (unless you're litterally underage and depend on your parents)
>SJWs and alt right bitches are a pain in the ass, keep your political shit out of my frills
>if you're super fat you WILL look bad no matter how pretty your coord is

>>9871696
Casual coords keep ending up on the ita thread because there is arguing about what casual even means these days.

>>9871480
I want to have otome threads again but otome gets shit on every time it's mentioned that it's not a real fashion and westerners made it up.

>>9871200
Thank you.

>>9871398
This, I exclusively bought from lacemarket and closetchild for years. I only started buying from brands once I started getting nervous about brands closing. It still hurts me and part of me wants to wait and get new releases secondhand so I don't pay full price. But supporting the brands I love is different and does matter to me now

>>9871630
I only talked to one

>>9871693
>They are way too much logical and mathematical. It's a fashion, not algebra. Databases with good coords would be a better learning tool.
I agree with this so much, but the most recent guide I know is the worst offender (lolita guidebook by gulls on tumblr)

>>9871723
You could just make a girly style thread or post to the casual lolita threads...

>>9871808

>>9869570
>Nine times out of ten, ouji looks tacky
>I can think of maybe 2 or 3 people that actually do it well.
i have no further opinion on this but if we accept both of the sentences, your math works out to "twenty or thirty people do ouji" and that's hilarious

D.Walkure is the ugliest military lolita release ever

> otome needs to be more popular in the west
> There are far too many white sjws in Lolita trying to tell people what is / isn't racist. Stop throwing that word around. Also GLW was never racist for the pictures with coco montrice
> efamous Instagrammers need to accept that likes and followers they're so desperately trying to get don't matter and to stop reaching
> matchy matchy colors and coords are boring
> plus size lolitas complaining about brands not accommodating their sizes need a reality check
> pictures that have a shit ton of filters and stickers are for children

>>9871891
Fuck off Claire

>>9872122
You sound like a shitlord

>Brand bags and shoes are a massive waste of money
>Girls who freak out about strangers taking their photos need to chill out
>AP hasn't released any good prints in over 2 years
>Wigs aren't lolita
>OTT lolita is horrible and costumey
>Mana is ugly and people obsessed with him are cringey
>All bodyline looks bad
Also
>You're supporting a problematic person by supporting bodyline and you should feel bad if you do

>>9872132
>Mana is ugly and people obsessed with him are cringey

Kek

Holy shit
I posted >>9871084 And didn’t think you would be all up and arms about it. Jesus guys, it’s an unpopular opinion thread. A thread where you post unpopular opinions.

I never said it was bad to have second hand brand. Just buying second hand brand doesn’t support brands.... like directly.

You all taking this too deep and personal.

>>9872138
Late to the party anon.

Black people shouldnt cosplay light skinned characters.

>>9870240
Get it anon! Dont give up! :)

>>9872154
Sooo are they just supposed to cosplay storm and Black Panther? Anon, please

>>9872161
Why can black people cosplay light skinned characters but white people cant cosplay black characters without being racist?

>>9872164
Because there is a disproportionate amount of white characters compared to black characters? We can talk again once it's more proportionate.

>>9872161
Who said that, anon?
Go cosplay whoever you want
>just don’t paint your skin darker.

>>9872167
Shut up you uppity nigger

>>9872132
>>AP hasn't released any good prints in over 2 years
I agree that AP prints have been mainly washed out cliched clip art trash for years. But there are some exceptions.

>>9872177
Charlottes bear was such a clusterfuck of a print

>>9872178
No u

>>9872175
You're the worst

>>9872175
>>9872178

No u

>>9872169
>>9872154

>unpopular opinion
>someone race posts
>anons immediately take that bait
Never surprised, always disappointed

>>9872140
How was that late the party? It was just the op of the post that started the storm mentioning how they didn’t expect to to turn into what it did when they returned.

You either don’t know how this board works or you are one of those lolitas that only has a closet of taobao and replicas and can’t handle that there are lolitas out there with closets full of brand they bought most of from direct stores.

Must suck being that poor.

>Misako is overrated just like Mana

>lolitas that say “this is me” on cgl or out themselves in some way will never not be marked as their own WK. You can’t convince me otherwise.

>>9872222
I'm saying you missed all the good shit and this is post janitor clean up you twat.

>>9872175
>i'm not racist, YOU'RE racist ya niggie!!!

>>9872235
What is the archives? Seriously anon, don’t be daft.

>>9872125
Nobody knows who the fuck she is, stop bringing her up

>>9872292
>nobody doesn’t know who she is

Lol okay. Sure.

I know generalizations like this sound stupid, but fatties and sweet-only lolitas are the saltiest, bitchiest and also loudest motherfuckers in this fashion. I never met a plus-size lolita who didn't shit talk other comm members, created stupid drama or was unnecessary rude irl.

>>9872335
I've met plenty of nice fatties. Most of the salt probably comes from dealing with fatphobia and people telling them they look like itas all the time. It gets annoying.

>>9872335
Adding to this.
>itas who only buy bodyline and hand made are very loud about how they can’t “afford” brand and get some sort of cringy ego when they make a post of a coord entirely of offbrand,bodyline and handmade. Then cry when they get concrit usually along the lines of “I can’t afford brand you elitist”

>frilly ankles socks are embarassingly childish
>so are big peter pan collars
>sweet bonnets make you look like a giant baby
>tea party shoes are ugly (unless you have pretty small feet)
>angelic pretty lost its originality it once had and they're honestly boring and not worth their price now
>pigtails look super childish/stupid 98% of the time
>i think chubby girls can be cute wearing sweets prints as long as they're not super overweight,then it's just sad and gross
>OTT is cancer and neo lolita is getting more and more costumey
>Mana Sama is an outdated meme
>scalping isn't that bad unless you're overpricing like crazy, it's called profit, stay salty
>instathot makeup is a sin
>if you're really fat it's not gonna look good no matter what, chubby is ok and can totally be cute tho
>gulls that are salty about someone's parents or SO buying them lolita are jealous as fuck no matter how much they deny it
>SJWs and altrighters are both retarded and need to shut the fuck up and stop shitting lolita with their bullshit

>>9872460
If the only concrit is "buy burando," that's not helping.

Hand made is actually expensive; I'm not sure who's buying artisan or making it themselves and claiming it's cheaper, but they're probably lying about the pieces being handmade.

Lolita culture and vocal lolita "lifestylers" are incredibly cringey.

>>9872473
I hate ankle socks too but I usually cave if it means fitting in with my comm. What are some good alternatives to legwear in the summer?

>>9872473
>frilly ankles socks are embarassingly childish
I used to hate ankle socks, but weather forced me to use them all the time and eventually started to appreciate them

>>9872647
Agreed. Quit taking it so seriously; it's supposed to be fun.

>>9872473
Curious what style you weat

>>9872600
Nayrt but I'm pretty sure anon is talking about girls who make stuff themselves (badly), or have their mom or grandma do it. Itas who can't afford brand sure as hell aren't buying artisan.

The crit is rarely "buy burando", too. It's usually something more along the lines of "get an OnS book, maybe look at brand pieces for style inspiration for your next work instead of fucking around with Joann's novelty quilting cotton" and these types lose their shit because every mention of brand triggers them and they'd much rather be yooneek than emulate evil burando.

>>9869524
>having a big nose or manly face completely ruins lolita
>lolita is for women who look like little girls, if you are fat, tall or muscular then dont wear it, you look stupid
>fat people shouldn't try to cosplay thin characters
>black people shouldn't be allowed to cosplay white/asian characters if no one besides black people can cosplay black characters
>/cgl/ went to shit when mods began banning threads that focused on one shitty cosplayer like pixy and that fat girl who had shit eyebrows

>wa and qi lolita are costumes
>OTT is only ok in big events, but i hope it dies soon
>itas who don't accept concrit deserve looking like shit

>>9872473
Why are you in this fashion if you hate things that look childish? Genuine question because 90% of lolita looks childish. Including gothic and classic.

>>9872923
Sandals without socks

L O L at the butthurt mod who deleted my post

>having a big nose or manly face completely ruins lolita
>lolita is for women who look like little girls, if you are fat, tall or muscular then dont wear it, you look stupid
>fat people shouldn't try to cosplay thin characters
>black people shouldn't be allowed to cosplay white/asian characters if no one besides black people can cosplay black characters
>/cgl/ went to shit when mods began banning threads that focused on one shitty cosplayer like pixy and that fat girl who had shit eyebrows

>>9872473
>scalping isn't that bad unless you're overpricing like crazy, it's called profit, stay salty

Scalping is for small people. Its one thing to scalp a ticket or you cant go so you want 5 extra. Its another to jack up the prices because you cant be success on your own. You want to say you bought a ticket but turn around, sell it cause you cant afford to go.

>gulls that are salty about someone's parents or SO buying them lolita are jealous as fuck no matter how much they deny it

The problem is they try to lord over everyone.