/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

These are shit

>>9865289
How is this j-fash? Wtf

>>9865301
Shit by titty&co

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>>9865301
Thank you for posting non garbage

>>9865300
Some gulls are plebs who don't know shit about jfash, sadly.

>>9865285
>Stuff you could wear out to the mall n shitt
So everything?

>>9865285
I think I need that dress in my life. Source?

>>9865517
i agree with this, but I'll post some outfits I find cute.

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Korean taobao

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pikarin looking weirdly normal

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new axes femme

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>Korean taobao

Where do I find clothes like this in US medium and large equivalent sizes? Everywhere is always one size

>>9868312
Tried axes femme poetique? Their sizing is larger, although I'm not sure if it'll fit a US L size.

>>9866013
>stuff you could wear to the mall
>shibari

>>9868312
The only plus size Japanese brand I know is punyus

>>9868333
anon? seriously? you can wear a ton of shit to the mall, anon's post included.

>>9868333
Realistically, who's going to do anything about a girl in shibari on her mall trek? What can you even tell a bitch who ties her own damn self up in the morning and walks out like that? "Th-That's lewd"? She's clearly past that point, and the sort of bravado required to even do that proves she's basically untouchable.

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>>9865540
I'm beyond triggered that her navy shades are so close, but still don't match.

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>>9868383
Kinksters can never just leave stuff at home.
I’m aware it’s more for the juxtaposition and rebellious look but it’s still gross.

>>9868471
Take your meds

>>9868419
Sauce on this shirt?

>>9868557
At the end of the day, there's plenty of people who would think 50% of the stuff in this thread is a 'sex thing'. If it involves thigh highs, pigtails, a school uniform look, or one too many frills... then there are going to be those who believe it has sexual undertones. You know this is true.

I dunno'. Shibari is a bit extreme, but that was a great example of how one would go about wearing shibari to the mall.

>>9868688
No shit, but you can tell people like that to fuck off and they'll listen if you make everyone else believe they're the creep. Literal bondage around your breasts isn't anything but literal bondage around your breasts. I mean I'd still wear it in the right setting, but you're delusional if you think it's comparable.

>>9868695
Oh, most of them won't say it to your face, and the women are often thinking the same thing. However, instead of aroused, they're disgusted.

>>9868695
All that said, I did state shibari was a bit extreme. That outfit in particular is just subdued enough that it can pass though.

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>>9871178
old Jane Marple

>>9871179
nanchatte is very versatile

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>>9871180
There must still be some otaku left who haven’t abandoned her even after all these years.

I'm an hourglass figure, is there a way to wear nanchatte cardigans without looking like a shapeless blob? Or a brand/store that offers cardis that are just a bit more tight at the waist? I think that would help a lot

>>9872287
Wear blazers instead of cardigans. If you still want something knitted underneath a sweater vest looks really cute.

>>9872415
nayrt but blazers more often than not don't have the same soft casual look that cardigans have and are rarely a solid alternative, esp if you have broader shoulders or a mature face. just tailor your cardigans anon

>>9872287
Every lolita brand releases cardigans that are tighter at the waist

I'm gonna use this thread to drop a bunch of undefinable looks that I saved back in like, 2011-2014. I'm nostalgic for these times, it seems like there was more experimentation with everyday clothes that still looked 'different' but weren't from any specific style.

>>9873631
isn't that basically what Anzu does?

>>9873641
The cosplayer girl? Not sure what you mean by this, anon. That she dresses in jfash but she doesn't wear a specific 'style' like fairy kei, larme or what have you? I guess I see what you mean but I'm talking about combining borderline 'normal' clothes into unconventional street looks, not slightly off model variations of 'sweet girly pastel kawaii anime girl' clothes. Maybe these all look outdated and normie and I'm just old. idk sorry.

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>>9873652

I hope I don't sound fkn dumb but what defines "j-fashion" to you personally?
Is it specific looks/shapes/pieces? Is it the brands used? Use of specific motifs? Is it an overall "different" look?
What makes j-fashion "j-fashion" and not just..different/experimental/alternative?

I sometimes have difficulty pinpointing whether something is or not j-fashion because some outfits posted in threads like these (unless they're really specific things like lolita, gyaru, nanchatte, etc) look normie to me, others could easily pass as regular goth, etc etc and if I saw them being worn by a western person and not a japanese person, I'd probably not identify them as "j-fashion" at all.
I assume it differs a lot from person to person since everyone's notion of style varies but I'm honestly very interested in knowing personal opinions.

>>9873664
As simple as can defined jfash = fashion that originates from Japan

The range can vary from normie-looking to the craziest, alternative shit, but if it originates from Japan, it is considered jfash.

>>9873664
When the brands are Japanese. But this thread is not good to go by because the person who started it posts a lot of aliexpress stuff.

>>9873647
to me she's mainly a jfashion girl who sometimes cosplays

If I buy all my normie clothes at Uniqlo is it considered J-fashion?

>>9873785
But her clothes are obviously from Western and Chinese brands. To me she just looks like a weeb.

>>9873707
That makes sense.
My issue is just that many of the normie-looking styles wouldn't pass as j-fashion at all if worn by westerns. Feels weird to have someone say they are wearing japanese street fashion if they look like they shopped at the local mall.

>>9873713
This helps with the point above but then >>9873803 places a good question against it. I assume Uniqlo outfits have to be considered j-fashion for simply being a japanese brand, even though their clothes are incredibly normie and cater to the general public (and quite boring too imo).

>>9874038
They're not saying they wear Street fashion, they're saying they're wearing Japanese fashion. That does include uniqlo, wego etc.

>>9873664
Personally I see "j-fashion" as a term that refers to styles that are distinctly Japanese in origin, whether it's one of the well established styles like lolita, fairy kei, larme, etc., or "general" quirky alt fashion associated with Harajuku and similar areas.
If a specific outfit is H&M tier and normie, it doesn't matter if the pieces originated in Japan because brands don't necessarily determine style, the way one wears the clothes does; if that makes sense. That's how I see it though.

>>9874040
That's just your (wrong) opinion. Jfashion literally means Japanese fashion, and that includes normie fashion from Japan. What you're talking about is street fashion, harajuku fashion, and alt fashion.

I used to never understand these threads until I went to an American mall. People really do walk around in jogging bottoms and leggings and shit looking like they just got out of bed, it's fucking weird.

>>9874167
What's the common attire where you're from?

>>9874167
It's so weird too that those same people will cake on make-up when they go to a restaurant (that isn't at the mall). It's like Americans don't know how to do anything in between fancy party and lazy sunday at home.

Question: If something fits what we see as the conventions of (alternative) J-fashion, but the clothing itself is Chinese-made and being worn by a Chinese person, is it not actually J-fashion?
"C-fashion" doesn't really seem to be a "thing" on /cgl/ or the western community in general, but all this stuff about J-fashion strictly meaning all Japanese fashion is making me rethink things.

>>9875289

Yes it's still J-fashion. There's tons of white girls wearing it in this thread, and that doesn't suddenly make it [insert your race here]-fashion based on the person wearing it.

And everything is made in China now. Are Chanel purses now "C-fashion"? No, they're still French even if most of their manufacturing process happens in China. "Point of origin" doesn't mean where the factory is located, it means where the style itself was born.

>>9875289
Weeb kei

>>9875427
Are you retarded? It obviously makes a difference if it's a French designer brand made in China or a Chinese nobody sells stolen designs trough taobao and ali

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>>9875427
>And everything is made in China now. Are Chanel purses now "C-fashion"? No, they're still French even if most of their manufacturing process happens in China. "Point of origin" doesn't mean where the factory is located, it means where the style itself was born.
There are indie Chinese brands, you know.

>>9875427
Then, wouldn't something like Lazy Oaf be considered J-fashion for the obvious style it's based on (and its acceptance as "valid" in the Japanese fashion community via the Tokyo pop-up shop besides Laforet, and endorsement by people like Ayumi Seto)?
And yet, I think most seagulls would side-eye anyone who'd try calling Lazy Oaf J-fashion. Is it because they use non-Asian models primarily? Because if so, that just forces us to question how all of these clothes present on those of us who are non-Asian.

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>>9875469
I'm intentionally choosing to have a broad interpretation of 'casual' so no flak for the new few I post.

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>>9875463
Imo that anon is wrong, it's not jfashion if it's not a Japanese brand. Otherwise vivienne westwood would be considered a jfashion brand because it's popular in harajuku?

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>>9875476
J fash is too broad to pin to specific brands, so your argument is inane and wrong.

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Miho Matsuda's new stuff.

>>9875245
Just normal clothes. I don't really know how to describe them...just not weird leggings and jogging bottoms and uggs or whatever. I'm sure you guys have H&M and Zara over there by now, do people just go in and buy exclusively from their sleepwear range? I always used to think it weird when Americans would say that Europeans were stylish because most of what people wear here is just fast/vintage fashion; but when I actually went to America I began to understand that it was just that their bar is much, much lower than I expected. It's like they literally do not care but taken to a whole different level of not caring, like they buy just anything in their size from the supermarket or something.

Other observations:
-Cargo shorts isn't a meme men genuinely wear them and that is normal as opposed to looking a bit slobby
-Baseball caps are surprisingly common, especially ones that seem really small and dig into the head above the ears
-Everyone has that style of sunglasses that were popular with 13 year olds in the 90s. (The plastic oval shaped ones)
-Typical boy and girl clothing is like athletic wear. You think they're going to the gym but they're just getting in their cars and driving around and stuff.
-There are really groups of guys who wear the "You know I had to do it to em" clothes and they don't seem embarrassed that they all look the same.

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>>9875496
this is really cute but that horrible looking lace on the bottom.. what?

what's the quality of this stuff like? anyone know? genuinely curious as it looks great, but... yikes, that lace has me worried.

>>9875497
>they buy just anything in their size from the supermarket or something.
For some reason the mere thought of this makes me sad. I realize some people just don't care about appearances and wear whatever but... wow.

>>9875476
So, should we have a classification for non-Japanese brands that have a clear Japanese influence like >>9875432 coined?
Pic related is from Little Sunny Bite, a Japanese brand that includes a lot of non-Asian models for its shoots and store.

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>>9875497
America is larger than several of EU countries combined. As much as the middle parts are homogenous, everywhere else can't really be spoken for like that unless you call out specific cities. Affluent cities will have a spread closer to what you're expecting in EU.
I don't go to backwoods France and Ireland for fashion ideas anon.

>>9875502
Dropped image.

>>9875499
Miho is really good stuff from what I know. I actually can't fit much since it's geared towards the Japanese market rather exclusively.
Very popular for goth jfash looks, and everywhere I see good word about quality.
Raschel always looks cheap as shit in pictures, just like ricrac

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Goth bag lady is my aesthetic

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>datass.jpg

>>9868557
Normie get out.

>>9874167
When I travelled through the US I saw people wearing straight up threadbare pajamas to the grocery store in several states, urban and rural, and that’s when I learned never to complain about my country’s shitty fashion sense again.

>>9875501
no, stop being obsessed with useless labels

>>9866013
Wtf.
This isn't even shibari/kinbaku
Try harder.

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>>9875502
even if you go to a tiny poor village in france, people are still more ''dressed up'' than americans. the american lolitas i've met also have this very black and white attitude that either they need to have the perfect coord with full make-up and big hair, or they don't bother wearing a dress at all.

>>9875570
We just value different things anon
Clothing is meant to serve a purpose, unless you're weirdos like us that just enjoy the fun of it.

>>9875476
If it was for that, we shouldn't have Taobao or Aliexpress threads because "not japanese".

>>9875580
stop trying to define rules for such a broad term.. if you are buying lolita clothes from taobao obv that's understood as jfash. but i'm sorry your weeb cheerleader skirt from aliexpress is not jfashion.

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>>9875497
Where do you live? I'm an American and nobody here dresses like that sans athletic wear- but it's always actual athletic people wearing that.

>>9875557
So, what is J-fashion to you?

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>>9875590
people don't wear sweatpants to the supermarket where you live?

>>9875593
You will never achieve peak jfash until you get here >>9875595

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>>9875590
In my town all fat people wear yoga pants and all kinds of stretchy sports clothes

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>>9875593
Fashion in and from Japan. that is what the J stands for. Lolita is from Japan but it can be worn without using Japanese brands. If you wear things from Wego, it's still a Japanese shop aimed at Japanese people even though it's made in China. Stuff like >>9865286 >>9865285 isn't even related to Japan. Do you also want me to explain what Scandinavian design means?

>>9875590
i live in a college town in the US and 70% of the girls wear yoga pants
the rest generally wear ugly ripped jeans
once in a while i get to see a girl who actually attempted to get dressed

im trying to convince my fat ass sister to stop wearing yoga pants but I just cant win.

I mean the Yerin image
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>>9875289
I've seen people say that many small harajuku boutiques carry taobao clothes

>>9865901
Anyone know what brand are these shoes or where I could find them?

>>9875609
Same here. I’m starting to believe that the amount of time a person spends in athletic clothes is inversely proportional to how athletic they actually are.

>>9875619
Idk about small boutiques but I’ve seen second hand To Alice on Closet Child.

>>9875619
Have you been to normie shops before? Lots of small shops in my country have taobao stuff too

>>9875553
My experience too

>>9875502
Well I got a decent look at both sides of the Cosmopolitan spectrum when I went to America.

-Arizona
-Iowa
-LA
-New York
-Vegas
-Also Canada (Toronto)

It is as the other person replied, it's not as black and white as you think. If you go to a rural village in France of course you won't find people dressed like Parisians, but they don't walk around in dungarees either. Even in places you might stereotypically assume people to be dressed poorly (Not sure if you've been to Ireland in the past 10 years but it's very Cosmopolitan now) you'll find that people have better style. It's not that you'll find expensive clothes in rural France to use your example, but people still make more of an effort than they do in America. It's more about how you wear your clothes as opposed to what you wear. It's hard to describe if you haven't seen it, but put it this way - Very little in this thread would turn heads if worn to a mall in Europe because it's just normal, not so much the styles, which are obviously Japanese ITT but the effort or the garments themselves.

I don't know, it's difficult to explain but it might be the reason why American J-Fashion fans look like they are being worn by their clothes as opposed to wearing their clothes. They either pile everything on haphazardly or they try to coordinate too much and end up looking like they're wearing a costume.

>>9875730
Interesting take
I think the disconnect here is I'm at this point in my life where I'm so used to seeing people dressed terribly that I tune them out. I only really pay attention if it's on the level you're talking about
There is in fact, a lot to tune out now that I am actually thinking about it.

>>9875577
>Clothing is meant to serve a purpose, unless you're weirdos like us that just enjoy the fun of it.
Maybe this is where the mentality comes from. Nobody in my family cares even the slightest bit about fashion but they all look far better than the majority of what I've seen in America. It's not that you need to care about fashion to look good wearing clothes, you just need to...look in the mirror before you leave the house. I mean, I don't know how I can phrase this in a way that doesn't sound bitchy. I'm not trying to be bitchy I just don't understand why you seem to think it's black and white between dressing with no effort and being 'interested in fashion'.

Anyway none of this is meant to be a diss on Americans, it's just an observation.

>>9875752
I think it's just more acceptable in America. I haven't travelled a lot but I know at least in my country people will low-key shame you if you just wear yoga pants and no make-up when you leave the house. I'm sure if that didn't happen, people would dress much more lazy here too.

>>9875534
sauce please, my googlefu is failing me

>>9875830
So you mean feminism and "body acceptance" destroys a nation's good fashion sense?

>>9875752
So you mean feminism and "body acceptance" destroys a nation's good fashion sense?

>>9876313
No, /r9k/. Don't join on conversation about women's fashion. All your lot can think of is video games, how much you hate feminism and "tfw no gf", and it leaks into all your posts.

>>9875730
>Very little in this thread would turn heads if worn to a mall in Europe because it's just normal, not so much the styles, which are obviously Japanese ITT but the effort or the garments themselves

Yeah, no. It's not everywhere like this in europe. I invite you to wear any of the corrdinates that aren't black or in any dark or earthen color to a german mall. It will turn a lot of heads, cause most people here are more dressed for comfort than anything else. Anything colorful and/or a bit dressed up will turn heads.

>>9876325
So do you wear yoga pants to the mall in Germany?

>>9876325
But do you wear yoga pants to the mall in Germany?

>sage for off topic
Thinking a bit about this yoga pants thing. I live in a small English village directly above a grocery store and I work from home. So I'll pop to the grocery store in leggings and a baggy t-shirt because that's comfy for working and I'm only going downstairs. But if I'm going to the local town or running more than one errand I'll get "properly" dressed, make up, nice hair etc. because I'd be embarrassed to do anything else. Maybe the way at least suburban America is built this is what's happening?

I know where I live there are those tiny pretty like 15yo girls who'll wear yoga pants and shit because they know they look good in anything and then you get older men and women in athletic gear who clearly don't exercise but they fully commit with earphones and stylish yoga gear. It's all gym stuff but it's put together at least.

>>9876409
Where I live there are people who wear yoga or sweat pants too but the majority of people think they're lazy fucks. I wouldn't let my kid dress that way to leave the house no matter how pretty she is.

>>9876313
No, that's not it at all and I have no idea how you've extrapolated that.

>>9876325
Whereabouts in Germany?

>>9876409
Don't say you're saging, that's against the rurus

>>9875857
I got it off a random moonrune twitter account a month ago, no sauce to be had

>>9875752
Anon...
You're assuming anyone close to the poverty line (which is most of the people you'd see in yoga pants and looking awful) can afford a stand up mirror. That's 50 bucks minimum to tell you you look like shit.

No, when you're poor you don't really 'get' to value your appearance much since all the nice stuff is expensive, you save that shit for rainy days or your car eats those funds when it throws a rod.

You just don't like what visible lower class looks like, and burgers have been taught to value 'what's on the inside' and just bully each other for thinking/acting the wrong way.

>>9876906
I grew up on the poverty line and it never changed how I dressed myself, nor did it change for the people in my area.

>>9876906
By your logic there are far, far more poor people in America than in Europe

>>9877223
bro are you saying some random homeless woman should be wearing a nice dress and shoes while she sits on the pavement

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>>9877248
Did you even read the thread?

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>>9876906
Most people shopping at Wal Mart aren't homeless or death-tier poor, just lazy. Face beat with heavy makeup, but wearing sweatpants and pyjama shirts.
Mirrors come with bathrooms. There are even mirrors in public bathrooms.
Nice, cheap secondhand clothes exist. There is no excuse, America is a land of amenities.

>>9877248
Are you even following the discussion? We've already established that good style has nothing to do with the price of the clothes you buy. Don't be so purposely obtuse.

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>>9877305
yeah but >>9876906 was saying that a lot of poor people can't afford nice clothes which is true to an extent. the only one reply who offered a real solution is >>9877255

>>9876906
Nigga I distinctly remember getting my standing mirror, the one every college student gets, and it was literally $5 at Walmart.

>>9877350
i got mine out of a dumpster and i still look better than these yoga pants loving idiots

>>9865528
I love this because it is so similar to my style..! It motivates me :- )

>>9876906
>anyone close to the poverty line (which is most of the people you'd see in yoga pants and looking awful

anon i live in a pretty wealthy metro area of burgerland and everybody still wears the yoga pants. except rich people call it ~athleisure~

>>9875507
Not that anon, but I hope you're right about the lace just *looking* cheap and not being cheap, because this looks kinda scratchy to me.

>>9877310
Yeah but the discussion is not about poor people. That anon is wrong for thinking most people who dress like that is poor.

>>9880683
its hard for me to imagine the college girls wearing underarmor yoga pants, ugg boots, patagonia jackets, and north face backpacks as poor

Anybody have j-fashion blogs or websites for smaller (5'6) men, and maybe some ways to buy clothes? Most of the places I've tried ordering from are too big.

>>9875530
eternal love for shinya

>>9875553
oh yeah. I like near cleveland and my town is the capitol of people going to the store, (and even the bar during the day) in sweats and pajamas

also prevalent: people driving shirtless

>>9881198
Capital* god i'm stoned

>>9871171

I've tried googling, but I thought I'd ask- does anyone know if this dress is available to buy online?

Just really like the shape.

>>9886290
What did you google? The name of the store is literally on the photo and the file name...

>>9876906
I remember my dads boss had like 40 million saved bc he married rich and that man would wear shitty t shirts inside out, pants covered in dog hair, and the most worn out shoes
some people are lazy or don't care.

>>9865285
would this look good with overalls? I saw an outfit where someone wore something with layers/ruffles with overalls and it looked really good. Maybe like tight overalls?

>>9897319
I think it would look pretty cute, Anon.

>>9898634
where do i get a rad hakama like this one

>>9898634
How is this casual? There is a kimono thread

what does this look good under? I can't figure out how to make it look cool.