/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Minimal poof is fine, especially if the wearer is actually going out and doing things. Not everyone wants to run around taking up the space of 2 people. I don't understand people who insist that perfectly good coords that obviously have some sort of petti need more poof. Do they only ever wear lolita for photoshoots?

I love gold shoes even if there's no other gold in the outfit. Fite me m8

>>9857201
A lot of dresses have gold hardware that doesn't really show in photos, so I tend to give coordinates with gold shoes a pass.

>>9857206
That's a really good point. A lot of people who complain about gold shoes forget that coords come off very different in real life to in coord pics, and that tiny gold details are very very common in lolita.

I hate this movement on IG/tumblr/etc. of being "authentic"

like if I started following someone for their outfits/cosplays/whatever, I don't give a shit about their home tour/unboxing/vacations/boyfurendo/pets/~feelings~/political opinions/what they look like without makeup, and I don't care how "approachable" they are or whether they interact with their followers

make a separate account for that shit, or tag them so they're easier to filter through ffs

people who fail to make a thread should delete it. you had time before people started to reply.

>>9857201
I'd agree if people didn't use cheap bodyline /taobao shoes that come in a horrendous gold color.

I love knowing that my lolita friends go on here. It makes me feel like I have more in common with them.

>>9857182
Brown is hideous and looks bad on everyone including Fanny Rosie

>>9857246
This is unpopular? I feel relieved when people I get to know turn out to be gulls. Makes me feel like I have less to hide, somehow.

Bare knees are ugly

Everytime I see a lolita complaining about how normies don't know what lolita is and think it's a costume I feel like my eyes are gonna roll to the back of my head.

This isn't any absurd, not everyone is obligated to know about our niche japanese street fashion and yes, it calls attention and looks weird for them, there are going to be curious people and as we are not obligated to answer those curious people, they are not obligated to know about us or know that you don't like to talk to people.

Grow up and accept reality.

I don’t care if sissies or ddlg people want to buy lolita clothing and wear it as long as they don’t call themselves Lolitas, I think it’s weird when lolitas insist on doing this weird gatekeeping when whether or not you disagree with these people wearing the clothes, they still purchased it with their money so who cares

>>9857441
The problem is a lot of them try to bring nonconsenting lolitas into their kink (see the disgusting captions they leave on otherwise completely normal photos), try to resell stained and damaged dresses, and make normies think all lolitas are into ddlg or fetish shit. If they'd keep in in the bedroom no one would care.

>>9857420
This. I used to bitch constantly about people staring at me when I was a beginner until I accepted the fact I stand out, and admitted to myself that if I saw someone dressed like me in public, I'd probably look at them too; not because I want to be rude but because it's eye catching and interesting.
I feel that many people who bitch about this are either new to lolita as a whole, or new to wearing it outdoors/outside of meetups, in which case they're (hopefully) going to grow out of it. Plus, the ones that bitch about "stupid normies" who don't know it's not a costume tend to be the ones wearing OTT shit that legitimately looks like a costume, which is hilarious.

As for my own (possibly) unpopular opinion: I feel that OTT ruined the fashion's integrity, in a way. I don't hate it completely, it can be beautiful, and the modern tea parties that are organized today are impressive and amazing; but I feel like it's become difficult to explain that lolita is not a costume when the OTT image is so prevalent, at least online.
>tl;dr: I'm a nostalgic oldfag

>>9857452
>>9857420
I completely agree. My unpopular opinion is that I actually enjoy the stares and comments I get when I go out in lolita, not at every possible moment, but I think it's generally a positive that lolita is so eye-catching and interesting. I don't like blending into the crowd. The only thing that I do hate is when people take pictures without asking, because it's just a disgusting lack of manners and it's not like I'd say no if you asked nicely.

I think short skirts in lolita look nice

>>9857464
This. Also Little Bo Peep comments mildly annoy me, even though I know they shouldn't. Esp because I've never even worn a bonnet.

>>9857196
I agree. I think it has to do with COF being mainly indoor selfies or OTT outfits being worn to events. As a daily lolita I rarely post to COF anymore because of the ridiculous exceptations. I think a majority of people who wear it daily or casual and want their outfits to be practical are the same and just quit posting.

>>9857557
Yeah, I feel like the daily lolitas just moved to Instagram instead...

a lot of times on social media i think people tag things as lolita that aren't necessarily meant to be but they incorporate lolita elements. I like looking at itas who misuse the clothing as much as the next gull but "it was tagged as lolita" isn't foolproof

>>9857516
same. i'm a shortlita so i can't do this without altering things, but a lot of pieces look really nice when they hit just above the knee instead of at the knee or at tea length. lolita tends to make a lot of people's legs look stumpy too so adding just a little more of the legline above the calves remedies that pretty well.

>>9857182

Overweight people should not wear Sweet Lolita. You just look like someone with mental issues. Only petite or skinny girls tend to look good in sweet.

>>9857253
I don't like it either, i thought it was just me.
>>9857600
Overweight people should lose sone weight

>>9857441
A part of the online lolita community has always done this gatekeeping. It's an overreaction, and they exaggerate the reasons why they do it. They're probably the same people who get triggered when someone breaks the rules, as if that person will somehow change the fashion as a whole if she isn't called out. I'm sure anons will claim that they've been harassed by a sissy/ageplayer in their comm. But this is 4chan and you can say anything. I'm in one of the biggest comms in Europe and never met of heard of a sissy/ageplayer irl.

>>9857441
A part of the online lolita community has always done this gatekeeping. It's an overreaction, and they exaggerate the reasons why they do it. They're probably the same people who get triggered when someone breaks the rules, as if that person will somehow change the fashion as a whole if she isn't called out. I'm sure anons will claim that they've been harassed by a sissy/ageplayer in their comm. But this is 4chan and you can say anything. I'm in one of the biggest comms in Europe and never met or heard of a sissy/ageplayer irl. The only thing I've seen is fake stories and people who get followed by porn bots because they keep tagging their posts with lolita.

>>9857441
>>9857615
honestly I think most of the lolitas who freak out about ageplay are ageplayers themselves. One lolita I know is a huge ageplayer (I know from picture evidence, not speculation) but used to always shit on them vehemently.

>>9857635
maybe they are competitive and there can only be 1 of them per community

>>9857615
eh, I'm in a smallish comm and we've had a ageplayer in the comm.. Sissies are more likely to steal your photo off insta, plaster their sick captions and post them on DA. The farm has a cgl thread with a wholllee bunch of them. It's pretty gross.

>>9857600
As a fatty I agree. Most fatties wearing sweet look super ita. Classic suits them best imo.

Well, it worked for me at least. I used to be an AP pastel vomit lolita but then switched to a more toned down sweet, sweet-classic and classic. I immediately noticed how good I looked as opposed to pastel vomit sweet me.

I have yet to find a cosplay page that feels original. It feels like every cosplayer goes for the crowd and only choose mainstream characters / series. It makes them seem like basic weebs that cosplay "ok" (or just buy costumes) and not people who have been into anime for years and cosplay from multiple series + genres. Considering how much anime fucking exists, i shouldnt see every account threaded with the same shit on like instagram.

>>9857182
>Printed tights look tacky.
>Fat people shouldn't wear Lolita, and if they do they can't complain about clothes not fitting them.
>9/10 Brolitas are creepy and make everybody uncomfortable.

99% of classic really does just look like granny kei. Imuo classic is the ugliest style.

>>9857201
This! Stop with the fugly gold shoes. I’ll never own a pair for this reason. If there isn’t gold in the print then they don’t go. It just looks like a shoe horned mess.

>Atelier Pierrot looks better in light colors
>Atelier Pierrot needs to stop using the same cuts for every release
>lace topped socks looks better than any other kind of foot wear 99% of the time
>Ophelia has nice coords and is arguably the most authentic old school lolita but she's kind of boring
>some Moitie is really tacky
>Marble is underrated
>Risa is cute and would look cool in gothic. Her constant pout reminds me of old street snaps even though her makeup is modern
>being sponsored by companies like Devil Inspired makes you less credible

>>9857641
>The farm has a cgl thread with a wholllee bunch of them
It's not many at all compared to how many lolitas and ageplayers there are

>>9857761
If by authentic you mean copying others instead of expressing yourself and developing your own style

>>9857641
I’m in a mid-sized comm and we’ve had two sissies and an ageplaying furry who came to meets, but afaik no agepaying lolitas. Personally I don’t care if someone’s into ageplay if they keep it private but the sissies ruined so many meets, they were awful.

Too many people follow punished props and other YouTube tutorials word for word.
It's great to get help from guides as a starting point, but when everyone is using the same exact techniques for everything, it's boring and everything starts to look the same

>>9857767
>two sissies and an ageplaying furry who came to meets
Why were they allowed to attend meetups? Why were they allowed to join your comm at all? Or did they crash your meets? OT, sorry, I'm just baffled by this.

>>9857771
you can't really tell people they're not welcome at meets

>>9857765
By authentic I meant she captured the feel of old school lolita street snaps. She copies other people? I'm indifferent to her, but I wouldn't be too surprised if she did.

>>9857773
I feel sorry for you if this is the situation in your comm. In my comm we always emphasize that meetups have a dress code and people can't attend unless they're wearing lolita or ouji; a sissy or furry would be rejected from the comm when they tried to join, they wouldn't be given a chance to attend a meetup at all.

>>9857635

You're on the mark about people in the fetish community freaking out, but the reason is wrong I think. I do BDSM with my partner and the first rule is always consent. If you bring that shit out in the open, you potentially have nonconsenting adults who don't want to see this shit. It's just respectful of other people. Do you need to follow this? No, it's a code, not a set of rules that will get you tailed by the fetish police. But is it rude? Yes. And that's why I hold contempt for public ageplayers and kinksters (not people who like to promote kink, people who go ahead and display it full frontal in an uncontrolled setting).

>>9857776
She copies the people in old snaps. I mean, you can get inspired by it but she literally tries to copy their coords.

>>9857786

It explains the boring part. Never really liked her, but I never was bothered by her either. If she wants to painstakingly recreate old coordinates, go her I guess. I'm just going to do my thing.

>>9857767
How did they find out there was a meet? Do you have sceencaps of the drama that followed?

>>9857773
Yes you can? Literally every comm I've ever been in required proof that you're a lolita. Newbies who don't have coords yet get questioned and are not allowed to attend a meet until they have a full coord. If they end up not becoming lolitas they get kicked out of the comm again.

>>9857771
Our old mods were really concerned with being perceived as inclusive and tolerant so if a man claimed to be trans he was accepted into the comm no questions asked, and they refused to boot him until people came forward with screenshots of him being obviously sexually inappropriate. IRL interactions didn’t count because those are “open to misinterpretation” or they’d straight up imply we were making things up to suit our agenda, whatever that was supposed to be.
I don’t know what happened with the furry because she didn’t even wear lolita. I think she was someone’s friend.
We now have some new mods who are better about keeping obvious fetishists out, thank goodness.

>>9857786
Oh, I see. I kind of figured she did but didn't want to just assume and accuse. My other unpopular opinion I'll add is:
>Ophelia isn't the best old school lolita, cryptkasper is better and much more interesing

>>9857642
Part of this isn't just the prints but the cuts of those particular pieces. For some reason, to me, it seems like sweet prints have more high waists and shorter skirts, so we look dumpier. I also believe fatties should stay away from the shirt/blouse combo and get pieces with bodices that help define a waist. And no one wants to see our nasty fat knees. I don't want to see my nasty fat knees.

Are heart bodice apron JSKs unpopular? I like them and I'm going to make a few.

>>9857792
I had a feeling that was the case and I still had to ask. Jesus Christ, what a shitshow. I'm glad you have new mods now that actually get shit done!

>>9857798
They've always been somewhat unpopular simply because they fit awkwardly over boobs

>>9857787
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with what she does imo but it's not exactly what I'd call authentic style.

Most lolita dresses look like sissy dresses and I'm not surprised most folks conflate the two.

I'm sick of OTT too. It's given lolitas unreasonable expectations for coordinates (just go on CoF and see what is being described as casual lolita these days lol). I would like to see more everyday coordinates instead of OTT shit that's so busy it honestly doesn't even look good anymore.

>>9857810
then start a basic bitch coord inspiration thread

I think a lot of the younger trans FtM kids who wear lolita or fairy kei are really cringy and annoying. They always make a huge fuss about how they're ~so gay~ and bring up gender politics constantly, or use the comm or meetups as an excuse to complain about how hard their life is and their anxiety or some bullshit when they're 16 and still in high school. Once this one FtM was whinging about their "dysphoria," saying that their mom making them wear a dress to church gave them a panic attack because they're "totes a dude." Meanwhile they're sitting at a tea party in a bright pink AP dress and wig, no problem at all. I don't feel sorry for you when you're a hypocrite who steals their moms credit card to buy Angelic Pretty.

>>9857821
this is the UNpopular opinion thread

>>9857600
The amount of overweight girls I've seen vacuum sealed into pastry-print dresses is ridiculous.

>>9857822
It might be popular on cgl, but in real life not so much, I think. If I bring up my thoughts at an actual meet I'd probably get kicked out of the comm or something for bullying, even if other people secretly agree with me.

>>9857825
In real life it's not an unpopular opinion either, unless you are surrounded by 16 year old transtrenders.

>>9857832
Or if your comm is shitty, like this anon's >>9857792

>>9857669
You see the same shit on Instagram because the algorithms are only showing you a narrow view of cosplay you have been shown to like and interact with. Cosplay is no different than it was in the past, bar patreon and cosplay quality increasing over the years

>>9857214
It would be better if this movement would be about posting pictures of them in lolita doing day to day things, ex: going to work, doing a presentation in class... instead of those usual lifeless coord pics

I think (Lolita) Vloggers are really cringy and take themselves to serious. But I feel like I can never say this.

>>9857825
>If I bring up my thoughts at an actual meet I'd probably get kicked out
Yeah, at a meet it's not acceptable to talk about how much you hate someone in your comm or how much you hate their characteristics. Even if everyone who isn't a minor secretly has the same opinion.

>>9857846
*too

>>9857201
Most of the gold shoes people in my comm seem to wear are like a bright yellow and overly glossy gold. I wear gold tea parties that are less saturated in color, much less glossy, but still pearly-metallic. They match with almost 80% of my wardrobe, which is mostly classic or really toned-down sweet, and are far from tacky. Much better looking than chocolate doubloon-wrapper gold, imo.

Not everything needs criticism. Just because someone posts something doesn't mean they're looking for people to tear it apart. Not even looking for asspats, but it gets really annoying to have everything you post to social media get torn apart instantly for not being the best.

>>9857214
Im 50/50 I enjoy seeing pet posts or more Lolita lifestyle things but I don't give a shit about anything else.

There is nothing wrong with people cosplaying a series who haven't played every game or seen every episode in it.

I've seen it a lot with nier and fire emblem, a kind if gatekeeping of "ughhh awakening cosplayers" or "OMG not more 2bs and 9s".
People like the series. They're fans too and like the characters they cosplay. It doesn't matter if they've only played a few games or seen a couple seasons, you can't say they're not REAL fans

>>9857914
I've wanted to cosplay 2B for a while because she's my main gal in Final Fantasy Brave Exvius, but since I don't follow Drakenguard/ Nier I'm sure I'd get bothered.
>inb4 mobile game trash
I know, I know.

>>9857635
I'm a kinkster and I tend to shit on fellow kinksters when they do something stupid like invite non-consenting outsiders into their scene. Ageplayers need to knock it the fuck off with their cummies and daddies and pacis in the photos they tag #lolitafashion. I love kink but I hate kink culture, sue me.

>>9857898
umm only perfect people are allowed to post their pic on the internet

I dont think every coord needs to be perfect. I love the artistic value of lolita and how online communities help eachother grow with concrit and the like, but I wish it was treated more like clothing than a costume. casual coord with minimal poof, no makeup, few accessories, and looking a bit frumpy is ok. not everything has to be perfectly matched and fitted every single time. thats like wearing your best suit to go get gas.

i know this isnt a particularly "unpopular" opinion but i also dont think its talked about very much that its ok to not be constantly polished and perfect every single time.

>>9857794
I like sable the best

>>9857914
>>9857918
I dont want people to stop cosplaying 2B. She is my favorite and seeing people cosplay her makes me smile.

>>9857930
I agree with this to some extent, but I don't like this strange mentality that uses casual coords as an excuse to look like a slob. You don't have to layer pounds of makeup and a wig to look good, but doing the bare minimum to make your hair look nice and wearing even a tiny bit of makeup goes a long way; as is wearing clothes that look nice on you and in general.
I just think it's odd that some people feel comfortable looking like shit because they're not going to a meetup; why bother participating in a fashion subculture if you don't like dedicating at least some effort into looking nice?

>>9857243
This ^

>>9857420
Some reactions are fucking hilarious.
I feel like people that get butthurt at stares were never picked on in school.

>>9857946
it's hard to see a tiny bit of make-up in photographs

>>9857961
It's pretty obvious when people forgo makeup completely though, and it's not a good look.

>>9857786
Lol who care.

>>9857946
its not so much looking like a slob because yea you should look presentable, but its like >>9857961 where some details you dont see in pictures like that single swipe of eyeliner and mascara, and you're not going to put in the absolute most just to get to and from classes. I just find the constantly perfect mentality to be almost like cosplay were if its not at its peak then it shouldnt be enjoyed, which kills some of the fun for lolita for me. (this may not be the best example, but its the most cgl one i can think of at the moment)

no, you shouldnt wear a frumpy graphic tee and skirt with no petti, but you dont need to have wristcuffs and themed otks and false lashes every single time.

>>9857821
They're fakebois not FtM.

>>9857761
To go off this, Atelier Pierrot would have more success if they just switched up their solid cuts now and then. They should be a little more seasonal, like doing pastels around spring.

Also, probably not unpopular opinion, but every lolita brand that thinks clipart is appropriate needs to stop and hire a real artist immediately.

>>9857968
you do apparently, you even stopped reading the thread to reply to that

>>9857969
To be fair, the only people I know who post to CoF, are also cosplayers

>>9857921
It's fine if a lolita is also an age player as long as they don't mix the two and don't tag kink stuff lolita or vise versa.

>>9857773
Bullshit. I'm extremely open minded about fetishes practiced IN PRIVATE, but the public cannot consent to that shit. It would be one thing to say you can't ban them from meets for doing ageplay stuff on their own time, but showing up to meets in fetish wear is absolutely a bannable offense. If they can't keep it to themselves, they shouldn't be allowed at public gatherings and it's the comm leaders' obligation to enforce that.

>The lolita community peaked in 2010

>The fashion is changing dramatically, and likely will continue to change until old school and new school look like two different fashions

>most of those who participate in lolita threads on cgl dont wear it frequently

>nitpicking and sites like getoffegl/cgl did contribute to the lack of originality in the western community

>with few exceptions, a well styled wig will always look better than real hair

>high heels like AP has been recently putting out dont work with sweet lolita. same with long skirts.

>>9857846
vloggers in general are so awkward to watch, so often. even the popular ones like princess peachie are so uncomfortable and forced-sounding

>>9857914
honestly i don't see anything wrong with cosplaying something you've never played/watched at all, if you like the design. i get why people get annoyed with that but i don't; you see something cool and want to emulate it, go for it.

>>9857951
don't do this on 4chan, gtfo

>>9858091
I think we are already at the point where old school and new school look like completely different fashions especially of you compare old school with RHS, a giant bow and street vibe to an new OTT coord with an underskirt, veil, Sach and ten scepters.

>>9858091
>most of those who participate in lolita threads on cgl dont wear it frequently
Anyone who's participated in a /cgl/ group outside the actual board knows how bad it really is. I'm not talking like the others are cosplayers. I mean almost all of them are itas, community rejects, and those awful "lolitas at heart" lurk here.

>>9858227
I would buy shit if I didn't make minimum wage and could get hired at a real job. I'm trying lol

>>9858272
If you don't own any lolita, you have no right to participate in nitpick or CoF threads. Coming up with theoretical coordinates is a lot easier than in practice. Pieces don't always look the same irl as in photos. Reds that match IRL might photograph differently. Blouses might have details that don't look nice under a JSK, but you can't tell that until you put them on. Finally, there's no way to account for fit/body type if you can't try things on. Yes, you can get a general sense of what flatters you most from looking at photos, but I've looked good in some AP sack dresses and terrible in others. People who don't actually wear lolita lack that kind of practical experience, and I wouldn't take their advice seriously unless it was echoed by someone who actually wore the fashion.

>>9858227

You can really tell from considerations people take in the CoF thread who isn't a lolita sometimes. Really stupid shit like 'she needs more poof' in a daily coord, and 'she needs a different wig' scream cosplayer or backseat lolita coording to me.

Also, this is why I fuckin filter the shit out of my photos, it's precisely so no one can tell how 'mismatching' colors are.

>>9857969
>no, you shouldnt wear a frumpy graphic tee and skirt with no petti, but you dont need to have wristcuffs and themed otks and false lashes every single time.
Definitely agreed on this point.

>>9858272
Do you live on your own?

>>9858091
Was there nitpicking on getoffegl? lolita_fucks maybe, but getoffegl was more about social/community fuckery than criticizing itas.
Maybe this is an unpopular opinion on its own but browsing getoffegl around the time I started in the fashion, helped me understand the community a lot better and get a better idea of what was considered unacceptable to do in it, and what behaviors to watch out for; not that I had to read those posts to not behave like an asshat, but you know what I mean. So while it wasn't perfect by any means, I do think it was useful.

>>9858292
Yeah why would I criticize people if I don't have any experience?

>>9858313
No

>>9857253
Agree.

And for me Fanny Rosie is the most boring lolita ever. Her clothes, coordinates, hair and makeup, photos - everything is boring. She's so overrated.
No vendetta, I know nothing about her and only have seen her outfits.

>>9858224
Imo people who wear old school contribute to that a lot. Why can't they just style new releases in an old school way? Are they poor?

>>9858292
That's why you shouldn't take advice on cgl seriously and people who go to the CoF thread for concrit are naive af

>>9858459
Is this a troll? I wear mostly old school and but I have newer releases too - the ones I like. I buy older dresses because I like them more than new ones. If you are talking about Baby's classical series, yes I'm usually too poor at the moment or the fabric and lace are different from the original ones and I don't like them like that. How would you coord Holy Lantern or any of the OTT dresses AP and Baby put out in an old school way and more importantly how would it help the fact that lolita has evolved a lot since 1990's?

>>9857182
I feel the same way, op.

>>9857820
..and watch it get nitpicked and vendetta'd into oblivion.

>>9858485
The old school lolitas in my comm are always bitching that lolita is too OTT and less experimental now. But they themselves aren't experimental at all, they're just trying to wear stuff from 20 years ago. There's no rule that says you can't wear peaking bloomers, platforms or UTKs with new releases, but they act as if those things can only be coorded with old school.

>>9858494
Nobody pays attention to those threads

I think Triple Fortune bonnets are average at best. I see so many lolita's who have them gush to the point that it seems more like confirmation bias than actual enthusiasm for the piece.
But then again, sure, if I spent that kind of money on something made by a company that regularly uses raschel lace I'd want to delude myself too.

>>9857969
>no, you shouldnt wear a frumpy graphic tee and skirt with no petti, but you dont need to have wristcuffs and themed otks and false lashes every single time
I agree with this by I don’t get why people keep acting like it’s one or the other. I’ve never even owned a full set, wig or a pair of false eyelashes but nobody on CoF or the cgl CoF threads has ever told me I needed them and I get a pretty good reception overall. Finding a middle ground between the two extremes of slob and ott costume isn’t nearly as hard as people seem to make it out to be.

>>9858495
I have never gotten the "lolita needs to be more experimental" thing. I guess my style is not experimental but that's what I like to wear and I'm not going to wear anything else just to be ~more creative~. If one wants to see more experimental or creative or whatever coords better be the one doing it. I dislike the OTT trend as much as the next one here but my solution is to not wear it and give more attention to simpler coords because compalining about it does nothing unfortunately. As an old school lolita I have to agree, old school has become the edgy and somehow more creative and true substyle no matter how cookie cutter the coords are.

>>9858543
Nayrt, I agree with you completely but you'd be surprised to see the gross, sloppy coords that people like to call "casual" just to avoid criticism ("B-but I don't need to wear nice shoes or a lolita cutsew instead of a ratty old t-shirt, it's casual!!")

>>9857557
Tbh I wear Lolita most days but because I wear sweet, I still tend to go for a lot of poof. Sweet just doesn't look right without a good petti imo

>>9857600
They look worse in OTT classic. Genuinely terrifying.

> current classic styles are just horrible most of the time

> OTT classic is a crime against nature most of the time

> Massive eyelashes and ridiculous circle lenses look great with sweet Lolita

> Meta is totally underrated, but also very difficult to wear well.

>>9858613
Agreed on all points, except with Meta I think it depends on whether the piece is solid and simple rather than OTT. Their simple solids are a dream to wear and coord, but I will agree that many of their prints are a challenge.

>>9857809
>more like uninformed opinion

>>9858623
Oh yeah I'm referring to their bigger prints. Their wa stuff is beautiful but totally impossible to coord.

Their simple solids are great though, out of the big brands, I feel like meta remain the best for quality

>>9858630
This, lmao

>>9858632
>Their wa stuff is beautiful but totally impossible to coord.
I feel this. I bought one of their wa dresses and the white is almost a greenish tint and near impossible to coord.

I like older pieces because designers took more risks with them and it was more about weird, beautiful fashion and less about retail/appealing to the market. These days, brands seem really constrained by what they think is going to make them money.

I have the most respect for AatP and Meta because they're still constantly coming out with weird stuff.

I like lolita because it is extraordinary, decadent, and not safe.
If a release isn't extra in some kind of way then I will definitely pass.
Solids and prints alike should have the same attention to detail and be decked out with design features like pintucks, pleats, special buttons, embroidered lace, etc.

no more thin, flighty pieces please.

>>9857861
What are they? I've been looking for some like that for ages

>>9858297
Thank you anon. People rip on filters but if I didn't use one, certain colors would look so much different in the picture... and then that would be ripped on.

>I adore full shirring and I wish brands would release more fully shirred prints
>All his drama and fiscal/familial irresponsibility aside, Akira is a cute brolita
>I freaking love Novala in pic related
>It's the trend to hate on Ophelia these days but she's just a purist and I admire her take and haunting doll style
>There is a sad deficit of substyle exploration in the community
>More gothic releases!
>I judge lolitas who don't incorporate J indie or items from other jfash styles into their lolita wardrobes

>>9858623
>>9858613
Apart from their weird salmon pink Meta's blouses are simply great.

>>9858646
>Solids and prints alike should have the same attention to detail and be decked out with design features like pintucks, pleats, special buttons, embroidered lace, etc.
>no more thin, flighty pieces please.
I'm not sure I agree about liking the "weird" stuff (though I do respect Meta for doing their own thing for decades now), and prints combined with details like pintucks or pleats might be a bit counterproductive or too busy looking, but still, I definitely agree with the above.

>>9858666
>I judge lolitas who don't incorporate J indie or items from other jfash styles into their lolita wardrobes
Can you explain this one, please? J-indie I can sort of understand, but why would you judge someone for not incorporating other styles into their wardrobe?

I don't think transgender women should be allowed in the fashion. I see this fashion as a safe space for women, and I'm tired of men invading my space under the guise of being a woman. It's a shame because I definitely do believe in transgender women, but their struggles are not the same as mine, and too often men pretend to be trans in the lolita community to satiate their weird fetishes.

>>9858666
Baby usually releases a fully shirred cut

>>9858666
>All his drama and fiscal/familial irresponsibility aside, Akira is a cute brolita
What now?

>>9858678
bait

>>9858689
And probably not that unpopular of an opinion here.

>>9858494
I've made basic coord threads before and all reactions were positive.

>>9858686
this, baby is the only brand that still consistently does skirt releases for printed dresses

>>9858689
Not baiting, this is really how I feel.

>>9858686
not really. I haven't seen a fully shirred, meaning all around bodice, not half shirring (aka full back shirring) in a while, that wasn't for a solid release.

>>9858709
I should have clarified. I'm talking about OPs and JSKs. I love Baby and am really happy they haven't ditched skirts like AP has.

>>9858495
I posted in an old school thread asking for advice and opinions on doing exactly that, styling new releases in an old school way, and a bunch of them said they hate people that do that and think it's awful. Go figure.

>>9858725
They have printed fully shirred skirts up for reservation right now

>>9858739
It will look awful most of the time though and there is not a single universal advice to work with all the dresses available. If it works with the style of the modern dress it's most likely not going to scream old school. The closest of safe formula I can think of is lace top socks, rectangle headdress, hime cut and suitable platforms/meta heels but those won't be anything out standing. If you need help to pick out elements for you I would say you aren't any more creative.

>>9858751
>It will look awful most of the time
Why though? I think peaking bloomers and UTKs always look awful, but I don't see how it's better with a 20 year old dress than with a new dress. I think gulls just get triggered when they see something they're not used for.

>>9858649
They were taobao shoes, Antaina, iirc. Not sure, but they're nice and pretty sturdy, and I've heard that Antainas tend to not be sturdy. Maybe I just got lucky? Who knows.

Can't find the taobao link for whatever reason, but here's a lolita wardrobe link. I got the "champagne gold".
>https://www.lolitawardrobe.com/cinderella-sweet-lolita-heels-shoes-with-detachable-bead-chain_p2983.html

>>9858678
>weeb fashion
>safe space
I'm sympathetic to a lot of radical feminism causes, but you're retarded if you're not baiting

>>9858770
I have used peeking bloomers with dresses that have matching lace but I have never seen ones with tulle. With socks in general I think old school socks rarely have suitable patterns and motifs that match especially printed pieces but I have used them too. Plain utks would work though. But I wouldn't say using a few old schoolish things here and there makes the styling old school and to make a styling with modern dress look actually old school is most of the time hard. Depends a lot on the piece though, as I said it's pretty hard to talk about universals when we haven't specified which kind of dresses we are talking about.

>>9858523
I own one TF bonnet, and while it's lovely and I've wanted one for a long time, the construction and quality is not what I expected it to be. I was a little disappointed with it when I finally got it and examined it closely. There's even a seam buried under raschel lace that is completely unfinished and the fabric is just shredding by itself because they use a rather cheap type of duck canvas. Oh, and they don't fucking stay on your head because they're just too top heavy.

We should become more elitist, snobby and niche. I don't know, it just feels inauthentic nowadays and I'm not sure anymore if I'm looking through melancholic glasses or if it was always like that. I see gothic lolitas who never heard any gothic, vk or remotely similar music and can't help but think of them of ""posers"" who just like to dress up gloomy and edgy, like a costume.

>>9858748
oh boy.

> I unironically love that foil-like golden tea parties from Antaina

>>9858787
Imo the point isn't to make it look like actual old school, it's just to stop trying to force 'current' lolita fashion and old-school lolita miles apart. Someone said ''new school'' and old-school are (starting to) look like completely different fashions. Old-school lolitas in my comm complain about what lolita has become all the time. But I don't understand what's stopping people who love RHS, peaking bloomers, UTKs, head-eating bows and other typically old-school things from wearing those things with new releases as well. The old-school lolitas I know are obsessed with being accurate to the time period but at the same time complain about normal lolitas not being creative enough.

>>9858792
I was going to say that gothic lolita isn't tied to goth music like the goth subculture is, but it does feel a bit inauthentic when newbies don't research the fashion's history whatsoever; I'm reminded of that one secret in which the op boasted about listening to ~*hardcore edgy music*~... which was visual kei and how special and unlike Other Lolitas that made them, and while they may have been trolling, I have some doubts.
Plus, I do think that by being more accessible and "inclusive", we somehow opened our doors to a slew of unwanted people that won't go away because everyone's too worried about being "nice" and "accepting" to kick them out, even when it comes with the price of the fashion integrity or worse, people's safety.

TL;DR: Agreed.

>>9858770
the thing about old school is it is very tied to the time. you cannot style a main that has modern features for old school because those features were not available or used back then. Tulle lace, chiffon, overlays, heavy border prints, veils, enamel pins, printed tights...these are just not things lolitas used until later.

people who can't understand or accept the era aspect shouldn't attempt the style.
long bloomers and lace topped socks themselves are not old school. they are universal.
I have quite a few blouses and bloomers that are recent but were made in an old school vein. You can use modern pieces, like broadcloth or velveteen mains with torchon lace, just don't expect to get praise for something like Horror Garden, Candy Sprinkle, or DDC "coorded in an old school way"

it doesn't work.
Try not to be obtuse. Some newer releases can work for old school, like many things Mam, Marble, MM, and Chocochip Cookie are still putting out!

>>9858809
Read the thread from the beginning dude

>>9857731
I thought this was the UN popular opinion thread?

>>9858775
> believe in transgender women
> radical feminism
Choose one.

>>9858495
>they act as if those things can only be coorded with old school.
I don't get this either. People have double standards imo. Obviously not everyone is like this, but still. For example, you can wear black shoes with a solid red dress if it's old-school, but somehow wearing black shoes with a printed red dress that doesn't have any black in it is ita.

>>9858495
Peeking bloomers look like shit with newer lolita. Newer lolita doesn't have as much of a 'doll' look like old school does and I think that's why.

>>9858851
Only time I've seen peaking bloomers with a printed dress was a kerastyle snap, it looked nice and not out-of-place, but her face was ugly.

>>9858678

>>9858864
i'd rather have a big buff guy in my comm than a transgender dangerhaired "woman"

I get that some people wear wigs because their hair isn't great, but I see people with beautiful hair still wear wigs and it's puzzling.

>>9858899
Even people with good hair want to change things up every now and then, it's not that weird

>>9857214
Idk mang. It's also their blog and they can share whatever they feel like sharing. They're just human, they're not corporate entities that are restricted to one thing.

>>9857420
This reminds me of that rufflechat post where some girl got offended that a friend of hers kept referring to her dresses as costumes and got mad butthurt. I deal with that in my group of friends a lot and I don't get defensive if they think that cuz I know what the fashion looks like. It's definitely not something you see everyday.

>>9858292
You put it into words. Bless you Anon. I was guilty of being a backseat Lolita at heart back when I was in college. Now that Ive had the opportunity to wear the fashion I'm a lot less angry at nitpick coords than I used to be.

>>9858678
we must protec woman from dangerous fake woman

>>9858774
Thanks Anon. These are really cute.

>>9858866
I hate mtf who feel like they don't need to learn how to groom themselves and look presentable. If your going through all this trouble for people to call you a woman you should put forth the work that a lot of women do to look good and feel good in their skin.
Otherwise you just look ridiculous, regardless of whether your in an alt fashion culture or not.

>>9858292
THIS
As a sidebar to everything about experience,
>I've looked good in some AP sack dresses and terrible in others
I feel this, I really wish I could go into physical stores and try things on before buying them, my style could be different but I often refrain from buying things I doubt will fit me well. I've been burned several times when things that should've fit well actually looked like shit on me, because the lolibrary measurements were incorrect or the cut was just not right for my body shape. Sigh.

Some unpopular opinions:
>not all non-OTT lolita is casual
>most classic lolita is boring and looks like elegant normie clothes
>true classic died with Mary Magdalene and Victorian Maiden
>People who leave comments about appearances completely ignoring the clothes should be hit with a shovel
>bonus tit punch for using the expression "unfortunate face"
>being on an anonymous platform does not justify acting like an asshole

>>9859081
I'm sure some would call me an aunt tom or some shit but but as a tranny, trannies that don't put in the effort in terms of appearance concern me. Like I would honestly like rather kill myself than go out with a visible shadow. people like that old trans lolita lady from those articles concern me.

>>9858315
You're right that getoffegl didn't have nitpicking of clothing but I think it had nitpicking of behavior. And it established a precedent that anything you post in any lolita related context can and will be used against you in lolita drama communities.

Most people talked about did deserve it, and it is important we have non-hugbox communities to air grievances about trolls or scammers within the community. But I feel like we can never trust eachother. You never know who is the one tearing your coordinate to shreds in the CoF thread.

I think lolita is completely low effort basic dress up that's only determined by how much money you have and by how not giving retarded you are to at least have some sense of color coordination and the ability to look at yourself in a mirror to make normal determinations. The fact that seriously mentally ill bitches with personality problems keep flocking to this atrocious "style" to reinforce their own narcissism and delusions is pretty telling.

>>9859221
this is for like all fashion that isn't cheap fast fashion garbage though. sorry you're poor

>>9859224
Except that it's not considered expensive for anyone with more than a minimum wage job. It's only thought to be from the perspective of the community because they're majority immature girls still living with their parents or going nowhere in life. $500 for a dress really isn't a lot.

>>9859224
it's kinda fast fashion i mean you wouldn't find actual luxury designer brands needing to peddle at cons

>>9857761
>being sponsored by companies like Devil Inspired makes you less credible
Is that an unpopular opinion at all though?I sorta don't mind it when it comes from girls that genuinely wear taobao but a lot of them are brand loyal AP or moitiefags. If they're going around taking sponsorships for taobao resellers and it's their one and only non brand coord, then it's pretty clear they're just generally full of shit to me.

>>9858751
I have my own ideas and am still planning on experimenting with it, I just figured it would be a good idea to ask girls that specialize in the substyle as I've never worn full old school. Wanting to have a conversation about something isn't asking to be spoonfed, lmao.

>>9859226
>implying there's no middle ground between making 20k a yr and 200k a yr
and ok but my original point that all fashion is expensive still stands.

>>9859227
please look up the definition of fast fashion and get back to me

>>9859226
Are you even a lolita? Most releases aren't $500, they're in the $200-$350 range (I agree $500 isn't really a lot but it just isn't right.)

Unpopular opinion: Tyler from Scarving Scarves is overrated. Sarcasm and satire can be fun but she gets carried away with it since a lot of people like the drama that ensues after her episodes air. I also think that it was only natural that she would eventually get sued for slander considering how she presents her information like it's fact when it's just her personal opinion (exept when it's actual events that happen, of course). I also rolled my eyes when she initially got scared in the beginning of the whole drama mess...like, talk the talk but can't walk the walk? I mean, come on...but she got there, I guess.

>>9857182
I love wearing plain tights thank u

>>9859105
> bonus tit punch for using the expression "unfortunate face"
I hate it. What the fuck can a woman do with her face? It's like she can take it off and wear the new one without thousands dollars in the wallet and without painful recovery. No one is obliged to please your prefers.

>>9859195
If your friend says she doesn't tear you apart in the CoF thread, you should just believe her. If you can't do that, you're not ready to be friends.

>>9858855
Please stop calling them "peaking" bloomers. They PEEK OUT from under skirts, not scale the goddamn Matterhorn.

inb4 "Peking bloomers"

I love plain lace tights/cable knit but I hate solid opaque tights, especially in sweet. Black for gothic is fine, and lace topped OTKs work, but when I see someone with stark white or pink or fucking blue legs I'm like... No. That doesn't look good.

>>9859495
My phone would never change it to peking bloomers so don't worry

>>9859226
$100-$200 for a well-made dress isn't a lot, you'll even find dresses at the lower end of that price point at mall stores like ann taylor or j.crew. $500 for a dress is a lot, and I think most people wouldn't spend that even if they can technically afford it. but almost no lolita dress is $500 even new so not sure where you're getting that figure.

its not ita just because someones fat. if a the items were a floordinate or on a skinny girl and you'd say they looked good its not ita (of course with reason. people absolutely busting out of a dress never looks good). same with ugly girls. if you put a sticker on the face and you'd say its not ita its not ita. tired of seeing this shit.

People who aren't wearing bloomers aren't wearing a full lolita coord

>>9859571
I completely agree. I don't understand why anyone would wear ugly shorts for protection instead of bloomers

>>9859012
You're friends should respect what you wear and not call it a costume.

>>9859565
Judging by the vast numbers of girls forcefully stuffing themselves into too small dresses, this opinion is unfortunately very popular.
Please remember that fashion is more than just matching garments for floordinates, you should dress for your size as well. Fit is an important part of aesthetics, and if your clothes obviously don't fit you, then you look like shit.

>>9859579
I don't care enough to argue semantics with someone whose just unaware of what it is. It's not like they're tearing my dress right off me. Chill.

>>9859565
fit and proportion matter a lot, and it's much harder to get both of those right as a bigger lolita. it's certainly not impossible, but something that looks good as a floordinate isn't guaranteed not to look ita on someone

>>9859565
I agree about ugly girls as long as they're wearing makeup but disagree about fat girls

>>9859599
The RC thread was about that girl's friend refusing to not call her clothes clothes costume dispite expalining though. The friend made her purposely upset which is rude and disrespectful no matter the discussion.

>>9859221
You forget that theres people who grew up in the style in their mid thirties today. Its clothes anon. Its more than what you see online, I have the biggest wardrobe in my small eu country but you would have never seen me post online

>bows look silly, especially on your head
>lolitas should avoid wearing wigs
>it would be nice if there were more cosplays of characters from the '70s and '80s
>I'd like to see costumes from things other than comic books, video games, and anime here

>>9859573
Better ugly shorts than nothing. I'd rather girls not flash their underwear.

>>9859725
>liking lolita but disliking bows
How does that work? Not trying to rag on you but so many garments include bows and ribbons, even tiny ones; what do you like about the fashion if not the silly frilly details?

>>9860257
>implying they like lolita

>>9858292
Well, you're right. If I can go to the CoF thread I can't see what the anons critiquing me are wearing. It's the same thing as if someone who wears sweet ott starts giving me tips on toned-down classic and vice versa. Sure, you have an idea. But you don't necessarily know better than me.

>>9859105
>People who leave comments about appearances completely ignoring the clothes should be hit with a shovel
>bonus tit punch for using the expression "unfortunate face"
>being on an anonymous platform does not justify acting like an asshole

You're the best one here. When I was a newfag on this board 4 years ago, I would be nasty just to vent my own insecurities through pissing on someone else. Of course some people are just assholes for the sake of it, but I assume that anyone being too much of a dick is just salty and struggling hard with their own life.

I catch my salt levels rising sometimes when I'm going through bad times (like now) but I try my best to reread what I post and think whether it's necessary. It's usually not, so I backspace it. I don't want to sound like one of those 'why can't lolitas be luvlies' girls, but I do wish that people would take a second to just think. Is it going to help the other person? If not, don't bother. You don't know what someone's going through.

My unpopular opinion:
>Fatty-chans shouldn't be criticised as badly as they are. Fat people are going to exist, and you might not like that, but telling them to lose weight does nothing but instil self-hatred in someone who may already be suffering. Even if they're fine with their weight, I always think it must really hurt to see people degrading you for just being you.
inb4 'but I think fat people look baaaad'
Well, that's fine. No need to make someone feel bad. Keep your unnecessary comments to yourself.

>>9860427
I agree about fatty-chans. Telling somebody they're fat is not legitimate criticism, it's just mean. Nine times out of ten you can convey the exact same critique by saying something constructive like "that jsk doesn't fit you well" or "I recommend tights instead of OTKs," keeping criticism focused on the outfit.
People who throw a fit at the mere notion that fat people exist in the hobby are pathetic.

A lot of contemporary lolita looks like pic related to me. It's better now that more OTT rococo and old school themes are in style. but a few years back it was really bad. I'm not even talking about mid 2000's pastel mania, but the stuff that started coming out after the 'ott classic' boom with the scepters and crowns and crap.

>busty people trying desperately to fit into lolita dresses
As an almost comically flat-chested human female, it's hard not to feel a little bit smug that there is a fashion that actually fits better on my body type and the people who always had a lot more options than I did for fancy prom dresses and bodycon stuff and even western goth fashion are at a disadvantage for once

>>9860613
Same here anon. I used to hate my flat chest before I got into lolita. Now I'm grateful for it.

>>9859498
Cable knit tights are vastly underrated, especially in winter coords.

>>9860613
>>9860629
I don't necessarily feel smug, as I feel bad for girls with big tiddies who have issues with fit, it's just sort of...interesting? that the issue has been reversed for once.

I definitely feel better about my small tits now though. I'd always been insecure about them. The first thing that made me feel a little better was the whole pettanko meme back in the day with Lucky Star, and now fitting lolita well cinches it.

>>9859763
But why though. There is no reason why you can't wear bloomers.

Fat girls wearing candy and pastry prints are cute. It's more authentic.

>>9860546
Yes. Or when people say 'it'd look so much better on a thin girl'.
Maybe it would to you. That's also fine, but it's not on a thinner girl, so speculating like that is just being derogatory for the sake of it. It's plain mean, not concrit.

>inb4 'well what site do you think you're on'
nowhere in the 4chan terms and conditions does it say you have to be a bitch.

>>9860709
If a coord would look much better on a thin girl than on the girl who’s wearing it then she’s not coording for her body type and that’s legitimate criticism IMO. The most important part of any fashion is that the clothes look good on the person wearing it, not just when laid flat on their bed.

VM, MM and JetJ aren’t lolita. Meta is often ugly and IW is boring but at least they’re recognizable as lolita. Most lolitas agree with me or else VM and MM wouldn’t be going out of business.

>>9860746
VM and MM are going out of business because they dont fit fat people. meanwhile IW and Meta make similar classic pieces that can fit fatties

>>9857821
While I mostly agree with you, it is perfectly possible to have anxiety issues when you are 16 and in hight school. In fact, my own anxiety was much worse for me back then than it is now, since I couldn't get necessary medication without my mother's approval, and she wouldn't even let me get checked, even though I was depressed and suicidal on top of that (I don't blame her, though; she didn't know the full extent of my situation and was afraid of my reputation at school suffering even further if word about me seeking mental help got out). Being a mentally ill child sucks much more than being a mentally ill adult since adults have the autonomy necessary to get help, while some kids are stuck praying the depression away until they are 18.

>>9860746
>>9860750

It's also because a lot of supplies they use are also going out of business or out of stock. It's getting harder and harder to source solely in Japan, more expensive which is driving the prices up and margins down.

MM is now catering solely to Chinese lolitas which seems to be working well, much to my chagrin.

>>9860746 is allowed to have their opinion, but their opinion is shit.

>>9860746
>the most unpopular opinion of all

>>9860709
that's true but i literally come here to be a bitch so i don't have to be a bitch at work. also it's naive to think the people giving ''''concrit'''' in the ita, cof, and even the coord help thread, are all lolitas themselves.

>>9860746
vm and mm are ........so undeniably lolita. JetJ sure, but I don't understand this opinion.

>>9860780
Understandable, so I guess we're going to agree to disagree. But I also posted upthread about how I prefer to use a pinch of salt when browsing the CoF thread when looking for concrit because you don't know how good someone is at lolita or whether they are a lolita at all when they're anon.

>>9860742
Got to disagree. I see people saying stuff like 'this is nice but it'd look better if she wasn't fat'. I guess at some point you can't really dress FOR your size, just AROUND it. And I still believe people that are obese should be allowed to enjoy themselves - telling them they're fat and have bad health doesn't stop them being fat. Smokers and fat people are kind of the same: both have addictions and both know it's unhealthy, and repeating that it's bad isn't going to help them stop.
It's like saying 'it's ugly because of her eye color, her hair color, her nose shape'. It probably is to you, but it's not useful.

>>9860797
>repeating that it's bad isn't going to help them stop
actually I stopped smoking after I saw my cousin's 5 minute presentation about the health risks in high school

>>9860801
>actually I
Good for you! Genuinely, that's neat that it got you to stop! But from what I can see, going 'eww fatty' on cgl isn't exactly the same as a well researched presentation.

>>9860807
It's just that a lot of people irl actually do not talk about the negative effects of being fat or smoking at all. They just kind of act like, you're already supposed to know that so let's never confront you ever again.

>>9860797
Hair color and weight are valid criticisms. If your hair is bright green and you're busting out of your dress, it's ita. You can easily change your hair color by putting on a wig, and you can easily change your weight by dieting.
My god, fatties in this thread are delusional.

>>9860797

I mean, I do agree with you mostly, but repeated attempts at interventions have been associated with greater successful interventions in helping people quit smoking. So it's not really a fair comparison. But I agree, /cgl/ is usually very far from the doctor's office or a well informed presentation on the bad effects of obesity.

>>9860797
>It's like saying 'it's ugly because of her eye color, her hair color, her nose shape'. It probably is to you, but it's not useful.

There are things that you can change with effort, and things that you are stuck with. No one says anything about eye colour or hair colour anyways (outside of bad dye jobs and ratty dead hair, but that's a whole other critique, isn't it?).

Body size can be changed with effort, and there are more benefits than drawbacks to losing that extra weight. If you love your shitty joints and shorter life span though, forks up.
People should absolutely be shamed for unhealthy addictions, though I do not agree with shaming them and leaving them without a resource to try.

Being shamed and led to counting calories helped me lose 50lbs. I can make it up more than a few flights of stairs easily, and I fit neatly into one chair with arm rests. My clothing costs have gone down, I don't wear out jeans so fast, and my shoes last longer because I'm not putting so much stress on them. Also, smaller grocery bill! There are some positives for you, since you think negatives are useless.

>>9860797
>hair color
you can change that. plus, any natural unchanged hair color will always be ok
>nose shape and eye color
when has anybody ever said that lmao
also if people do say that they're wrong and petty af, you can't change those things. you can change your weight though

>>9860613
Another flat here and I actually think all flat looks bad with most of the dresses since they have that boob shape on the chest.

>>9860797
>>9860742
>>9860709
>>9860807
>>9860808
>>9860821
>>9860835
>>9860847
One thing is certain: fatty-chans are by-and-large healthier and live longer than ana-chans. You can't judge the health of a chubby girl just by looking at her. You don't know her genetics and what size is healthy FOR HER. But a person so thin she looks like a skeleton is never healthy. I will concede that there is a point of obesity that would be unhealthy for anyone, and that your coords should fit you and be flattering. I am currently working on a plan to improve the construction of heart top apron JSKs to be more flattering on busty girls. But telling a girl that she's ita solely because she's fat and she'll never be able to do lolita properly is just being a trolly bitch.

>>9860890
Ah yes, you're either an obese whales or an ana skelly, no in between.
>mfw this is actual fatty logic
You don't need to know someone's genetics lmfao, if your BMI is in the obese range, you're obese. Unless you're actually trying to argue that somehow a fat lardass is going to be packing pounds of muscle under her flabby body, but you'd just be delusional in that case.

>>9860891
>Ah yes, you're either an obese whales or an ana skelly, no in between.

Nobody said this, troll. And nice grammar.

>if your BMI is in the obese range, you're obese.

Besides the fact that BMI is hotly contested by the med community, I'm so sure you can gain this info from a pic.

>>9860890
I'm just crunching on this popcorn over here watching you move your goalposts further and further. Aren't you out of breath yet?
Obesity is just as unhealthy as being underweight, no one is arguing against that. Your misleading argument is obviously going to sound valid until it's pointed out that you're comparing a 1 to a 2 instead of comparing 1's. Do not compare obesity to anorexia and being severely underweight. Compare morbid obesity to skelly-ness.

BMI is a great start to figuring out what your body thinks is enough. There is no 'magic perfect number', I understand that, but you can try to be close to the range that is outlined for your height. Just because it's not perfect for every single body isn't reason to throw it out as bunk - that's like wanting to get rid of unshirred brand because it's one size. How about you picket for that too?

>>9860890
>You don't know her genetics and what size is healthy FOR HER
are you saying people who look fat on the outside may have the right amount of visceral fat? Are their organs just really big?

>>9860890
>>9860891
>>9860900
>>9860914
>>9860915
Stop taking the bait. The original argument wasn't about healthy/unhealthy. It's about whether or not fatties are automatically ita.

>>9860923
Wow, you've gone from moving the goalposts to pretending to be someone else entirely; a saviour swoops in and leads the flock back to the pasture.

Unpopular opinion:
Fatties are all delusional and trying to squeeze themselves into something that does not flatter them and never will makes them ita.

>>9860923
It's an unwinnable argument. The people who are repulsed by chubby-chans will always say yes, and large girls (plus all the people buying Super Pochaco scale figures) will say no.

>>9860890
I don't think this is a troll because I remember some anon in another thread asking if heart style jsks were unpopular. Ten bucks it was this fatass

Voldie is really cute and friendly and she looks better without bangs.

>>9860927
Um, it was this thread.

>>9860925
If you really think big girls are ita, don't go here >>9828842

>>9860764
I remember Nimura-san saying that they were struggling to find factories in Japan to make their stuff because fewer and fewer people knew how to make lolita. It's really sad seeing a local industry just die like, but that's outsourcing I guess.

>>9860914
As the original anon, I have to say I think my point has been misconstrued entirely. I didn't say it was healthy, in fact I SAID it was unhealthy, I just thought fat people should exist.

Sigh.

>>9860925
Congrats on finding the correct thread for your opinion, anon.

>>9860972
I'm sure a mod will come through here and clean up all of the nonsense. In the meantime...

I think fandom coords will become a thing.

>>9860955
Thanks, I will continue to not do that.

I hate cosplay and I don't understand why people spend time or money on it

>>9860985
Came to this thread to say this. Cosplay is pure cringe by default and I've yet to meet a sane, non autistic cosplayer.

>>9860942
ok
There was an anon in this thread asking if heart style jsks were unpopular. Ten bucks it was this fatass

>>9860750
VM and MM are also going out of business because ugly chink coslitas want OTT everything and don't like plain pieces.

>>9857963
There's a girl in my comm, nice skin, never wears makeup. She's polished enough looking that I don't even notice.

>>9860998
you must not have a lot of friends. Or any at all.

>>9861021
Post a pic

>>9860757
That's true, but a lolita meet is not the place to discuss such things. Lolita meets for me are a time when I get to discuss lolita/jfashion/week shit with other people who actually like and understand what I'm talking about, and I'd rather not have that be turned into a support group for an attention-whoring teenager. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.

>>9860613
I love my flat chest so much, I would never go on the pill for fear of growing boobs (and other side effects).

>>9861062

Growing boobs is incredibly rare. In most cases, they would just get fuller (and in my case actually fit MM busts better). Rarely do you go up a cup size or have significant growth to your chest to make any difference with brand.

>>9861062
My bust didn’t grow from the pill, but of course it’s different for everyone. I think people gain from the pill from the amount of hormones your body is experiencing in the first month and just binge without realizing

There shouldn’t really be an excuse for lolita not fitting a fatty when they can get custom sized taobao if they’re obese and get brand dresses with a lot of shirring if they’re just chubby also weightloss is also an option like cmon now

>>9860900
>replies to comments talking about fatties
>UHH WELL FATTIES ARE HEALTHIER THAN ANA CHANS
You implied it, retard.
Stay fat and mad, ita.

>>9860925
Wrong thread bud, everyone thinks that.

>>9861124
It's only popular on /cgl/ which is only a fraction of lolitas

>>9861130
>thread about unpopular opinions on cgl
ok and your point is?
and it's not actually, unless you live in america where the average body size is obese kek

>>9860935
I don't know about friendly, I've never spoken to her, but I do think she's cute. Sometimes her dresses fit her badly though and that's too bad.

>>9861022
> you don't like to hang out with cosplayers so you don't have any friends!!!

k

>>9861223
You don’t have friends...? What a loser...

>>9861235
Can't tell if you're like twelve or baiting but I hope you're not seriously this fucking stupid

>>9860998
Same. I’m friendly aquaintances with many cosplayers and while they’re generally nice and fun people, they become really embarrassing to be around when the subject turns to cosplay. When my cosplaying coworker found out that I sew and am open to attending a con some time she literally started screaming and showing me various “lolis” on her phone that she wanted me to cosplay because according to her I’d “make a great loli”. When our supervisor came over to see what the squealing was about, she tried to get him (a 60-year-old grandfather) to watch Tokyo Mew Mew on her phone. In the middle of a workday, with patients wandering around. With most cosplayers I’ve met, this type of cringe is the rule rather than the exception. I guess most weebs are a bit socially maladjusted but cosplay attracts the worst of the worst. Which isn’t surprising, I suppose you’d have to be numb to social conventions in order to want to dress up as anime characters in the first place.

>>9861223
>you can't understand that different people have different interests so you clearly don't associate with many people!
ftfy

>>9861306
>i've met one autistic fuck so that means the norm is autistic fucks!
my god, if all lolitas are this retarded i'm glad i'm a lonelita

>>9859414
>think that it was only natural that she would eventually get sued for slander considering how she presents her information like it's fact when it's just her personal opinion
>Sarcasm and satire can be fun
>satire can be fun
>what is satire

>>9861312
I know at least twelve of those “autistic fucks”, actually. Several of them also wear lolita but it’s only the ones who also do cosplay who think it’s okay to scream about yaoi in public parks etc.

>>9860985
I agree with this.
>>9860998
Don't agree with this. Cosplay is no more cringey than lolita and other jfash. Also lol at you thinking sane lolitas exist (they don't).

>>9857420
I think the longer I've been into lolita the more I've accepted the stares. Like I get it. But the 50 questions I get asked does get me annoyed. Like just accept my first answer and let me move on.

>>9857441
In a perfect world they wouldn't wear lolita but it's not so at the very least I wish they would keep their kink out of the tags.

>>9859414
Like I'm not a fan mostly due to the way she goes too far when she talks about people but most of her stuff isn't that bad.

>>9859571
I need a new pair! Any recommendations?

>>9861319
Maybe you should hang out with better people then.

>>9861336
i always thought it was odd when people accused lolitas or alt fashion wearers of "doing it for attention"

like i would do almost anything to get left the fuck alone while wearing it

people staring doesn't bother me but i'd like to be able to walk ten feet without being approached, i understand that they are just curious and don't mean any harm so i don't fault them, but it's exhausting having to explain yourself over and over and over again

>>9860956
That's globalisation in a nutshell.
>leftists will defend this

>>9861312

>can't tell if you're trying to be ironic or not.

>>9861328
Sorry but I have to disagree. Wearing a fashion style you admire and dressing up like your favorite character from xyz show are not on the same level by far imo, no matter how weird that fashion looks. I do agree that most lolita's are just as autistic as cosplayers, and for that reason I'm a happy lonelita.

>>9861384
I have to add people who get pissy if you don't have time or energy to answer all their questions or don't accept the answer you give them. Or the ones who get angry if you refuse to be photographed or just continue anyway. It makes me feel like an object, public property and not a human being with a normal life. No one have ever touched me outside of lolita but somehow in lolita people feel like they can just grab me from my shoulders and I come from a culture where it's extremely avoidable to touch strangers or invade their personal place. Not to mention people talking about my clothes in an earsight. It makes me sad how the clothes I enjoy cause people to view me as an object. I don't notice people staring at me anymore and to be honest it's nice to be visually interesting, something different and maybe bring joy to someone but no one wouldn't have to just suck up harassment, rudeness and negativity because they are asking for it with their clothing.

>>9861437
If the majority of people come across as autistic to you, maybe you are mentally ill yourself. It's certainly less likely for an autistic person to be part of a group.

>>9858459
Styling new releases in an oldschool way would look straight up ita. Mismatched black and brown chunky shoes and plain utks with holy lantern/ milky cross? Yeah, okay

>>9861392
>Somehow makes a point to drag politics and left-right dichotomy into a post about frilly dresses
Gb2pol

>>9861464
Why would mismatched things suddenly look good with an old release? You're just biased desu

>>9861384
That's because they can't wrap their minds around the possibility of someone doing something unusual "for no reason"; as in, there has to be something for you to gain from dressing the way you do, either you're looking to attract sex pervs/you're getting off to dressing like this in public, you're getting paid for it, or you just want attention. Based on some of the shit I've been told, apparently wearing unusual clothing just for fun is unthinkable in the minds of normies.

>>9861459
I'm not. Been tested once, I don't have anything. Multiple Girls in my comm have told me they're autistic though. Most of my other comm members are those people who go wayy tmi when you start talking to them. Telling you about serious trauma's, gender issues, relatives who recently died etc in the first conversation you have with them. Then there's some of them who always gossip about cosplay people I don't even know so yeah that gets boring pretty quickly. Of course there's a few nice girls in there just like in every group but they're pretty rare. I consider myself a pretty open minded person, but not wanting to talk about random people I've never met or hear about your friend who passed away when I just met you is not a very high standard to have in my opinion.

>>9861464
I have never seen mismatched color shoes in anything but ott sweet. Brown and black mismatched shoes would look terrible in any style. Chunky shoes and utks would look fine with those prints though so I'm not sure what your point is

>>9861559
>in my comm
So you're not a lonelita

>>9861508
This.

>>9861560
I think anon was talking about black or brown shoes in coords that don’t have any other black or brown in them.

Two unpopular opinions:
Everyone should try to be happy in their own skin. You don't like the way you look, do something about it. If you're fine with it, ignore the haters. Do you.

Tennies and sneakers can look good with lolita if said shoes are chosen and coordinated with care.

>>9861437
>dressing up as a character, something normies do for halloween
vs
>dressing in fashion widely regarded by normies to be children's clothes or ageplay
yea, they're definitely not the same level; lolita looks more autistic by far.

>>9861566
I go to one, maybe two meetups a year? And don't see/speak anyone outside of meets. I guess I'm not literally a lonelita but use the term because it's easier to explain quickly, since I definitely keep my distance.
>>9861662
Ahh yes, dressing up in a shitty party city cop costume once a year is definitely the same thing as an entire hobby dedicated
To dressing up as some anime character. Come on now.

>>9861662
>>9861671
>arguing about this at all
Both hobbies are silly, honestly. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion in itself but whether it's cosplay or jfash/alt fashion of any kind, it only becomes cringy if the individual is. Own your silly passions and love yourselves, anons.

>>9861674
Yay! I think this belongs on the *popular* opinion thread (if there were such an animal).

>>9861724
I should hope so, but this isn't the first time the cosplay vs. jfash argument comes up on this board, as if both hobbies aren't equally silly at the end of the day.

>>9861671
>implying normies don't dress up like characters from movies and comics
maybe you turned your brain off during the flood of harley quinns/supermans/whatever superhero movie comes out and becomes the halloween costume of the year
even celebrities do character costumes; explain cosplay to any normie and they'd think it's normal or cool unless you're an absolute sperg. yet the biggest association most normies have with lolita is still nabokov or living dolls, and the explanation of "oh it's a japanese fashion" still doesn't make you look less of a freak.

>>9861816
This is probably why a fair amount of the lolitas only do the fash at special events and such, there's a little bit of stigma there and some people can't deal with normies looking crazy at them on a daily basis.

>>9861816
The lolitas worth their salt don't care for normie opinions though.

>>9861844
The ones that do this are cowards, sorry to say. Obviously not everyone's lifestyle allows for crazy fashion choices for different reasons, that's perfectly fine, but if you don't wear lolita outside of special events because you're afraid of being judged by randos, what are you even doing participating in an outrageous alternative fashion subculture in the first place?

>>9861889
Well yea, but the base of the argument stems from an anon trying to argue that lolita is so much more normal than cosplay, which it isn't.

>>9861816

Most normies think con cosplay is some sort of Sports Illustrated for nerds. I find peoples' reactions to be similar for non sexy cosplays and lolita, really. 'Fucking nerds and weirdos' and that kind of thing. Chances are I'm projecting and ranting aimlessly though. I'm really tired.

>>9861632
Yeah, that's a big part of oldschool. Shoes were black, brown, or white. They didn't have a big variety. Even in style, there wasn't a lot to choose from like there is now. So the whole idea of using modern pieces for oldschool is really strange because they were more limited in materials

>>9861949
Ok but wearing holy lantern or milky cross with an old school headdress and utks and clunky shoes wouldn't look bad. I wouldn't call it "old school" anymore but it wouldn't look bad. As for brown shoes, you wouldn't wear those with a black old school dress either.

>>9861306
I don’t know if I’ve just gotten really lucky or what, but literally none of my cosplay friends are like this. They’re a bit socially awkward, but are otherwise very pleasant to be around, in and out of cosplay

>>9861816
Okay but when I said cosplay is cringe by default, what about it didn't you get? Do you think I will suddenly turn around and not Find it cringey the moment some normies and celebrities do it? (which is still not the same level as weebs dressing up for cons which you seem to not get somehow) What kind of logic is that? Why the fuck do you even care this much what normies do and think anyway? Am I supposed to care about the fact that I look like a freak to some random people? Because I don't.

>>9861922
Oh no, it definitely isn't, unless that anon means the very specific kind of classic or gothic looks that at some point look like vintage fashion/goth fashion, so normies are generally unfazed by it.

>>9862237
That's the difference between cosplayers and lolitas, I find; the former dress up for special events and feel odd and maybe uncomfortable stepping out into the public in their costumes, judge and cringe at the younger cosplayers who wear their cosplays out just for fun, and generally seem to care more about what people think about them; while the latter don't really care for public opinions and wear the fashion whenever possible, as self expression.
The former point is also accurate for those that gulls like to call conlitas, funnily enough.

>>9861922
I'm the anon who originally posted about hating cosplay and it has nothing to do with being more normal or weird

>>9862321
You weren't being replied to, sweetie.

>>9862237
Stop sperging out, you autist. You tried to make the claim that normies only dress up as "shitty party city cops" for halloween, then implying that dressing as anime/comic characters is so much stranger and out of the norm. That's blatantly untrue, so I pointed it out for you. No one mentioned anything about cringey or not except you. Take some meds and calm down; why are you getting so upset if you ~don't care~ about what people think?

>>9862309
"Conlitas" are still lolitas though, so clearly it isn't all lolitas who don't care about public opinion.

>>9862322
I know, you were all replying to bait after that

>>9862330
Conlitas literally are not lolitas

>>9862332
They are though. As much as you'd like to scrub away parts of your community that you don't like; they're lolitas. The term "conlita" is retarded in the first place; you can wear lolita any time you want to and be considered a lolita, even if you only want to wear it to cons and meets.

>>9862334
Just because you've worn a lolita coordinate once doesn't mean you are a lolita. If you only wear your one full set to your local con once a year you're not a lolita.

>>9862336
If you consistently wear lolita over a duration of time, you're a lolita. Stop being a retard anon, no one is going to adhere to your autistic lifestyle ideals.
What you're saying is if I like to go raving every year at EDC, Hard Summer, and Beyond, but I don't wear rave clothes every free moment of my life, I'm not a raver? Idiot.

>>9862337
>If you consistently wear lolita over a duration of time
conlitas don't do this

>>9862337
When I was a teenager, I dressed like a raver every day. Although rave fashion used to be a legitimate daily alt fashion. We just wore huge pants, beads, pigtails, and adidas.

>>9862362
Yes they do? If they go to cons or meets multiple times a year and always wear lolita to them, that's called consistently wearing lolita over a period of time. Are you retardd?

>>9862610
That's good for you, but that doesn't mean people who don't spend every moment of their free time going to raves and wearing rave fashion aren't ravers.

>>9862362
Yes they do? If they go to cons or meets multiple times a year and always wear lolita to them, that's called consistently wearing lolita over a period of time. Are you retarded? Wearing it once a month, every month, or a few times a year, every year, is called consistent.

>>9862610
That's good for you, but that doesn't mean people who don't spend every moment of their free time going to raves and wearing rave fashion aren't ravers.

>>9862749
You don't understand what a conlita refers to

>>9863002
Maybe you should lurk a little more and see what people define as a "conlita" these days, because "only wearing lolita to meets and conventions" is a pretty common definition that autistic lifestylers have been using.

>>9863010
Some comms have meets almost every weekend (mine does). So every weekend wearing lolita still only makes you a conlita? Bullshit.

>>9863026
Like I said, your definition of conlita isn't the one that's popularly used. If you see the girls being called "conlitas" in the cof thread, it's always girls who only go to meets or conventions in lolita. Clearly you need to lurk more.

>>9863042
>>9863010
Maybe you shouldn't take cgl so seriously and spend less time here. One or two NEETs using conlita wrong doesn't equal popular opinion.

>>9857182
Agreed 100% They're only necessary if you desperately need to colour balance details and even then a more simple pattern is better.

>>9857568
Agreed. I look so incredibly at stumpy if a skirt hits me like 1cm below the knee, but that said, 1cm above is already getting close to my butt. It's a very delicate balance

Just because I like Japanese fashion doesn't mean I like Japanese food. Fair enough that's what they'll sell at cons, but comm meets should have more variety than the same food every single time.

>>9863146
Maybe you shouldn't complain about people using the popular definition of a word on cgl in a thread about cgl, tard.