/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

just a small dump to get it started!

and i'll end dump here with my personal favourite. i just want to tower over my friends like a big gothic giraffe.

>>9822363
Did anyone notice that the bag she said that about was literally the exact same bag she turned around and said was okay for oldschool? Just in bxb instead of bxw. Girl needs to learn more about oldschool than just copying snaps.

>>9822657
she said she realized after but the point still stands that Milk bags and other plain heart bags have been around for ages and aren't just a new thing. Same with her statement about no one ever using thicker stripes with plaid, her own street snap flickr she linked has several photos with thicker striped socks and a few even paired with plaid.
It's sad that after all this research she doesn't feel comfortable making her own coords yet. there's nothing wrong with wanting to stay true to the era but streetsnaps only make up a percentage of the outfits that existed in that era, there were probably thousands of outfits that never made it to the internet with all sorts of creative elements.

>>9822376
I love this so much!

I couldn't watch the whole how to wear oldschool video, like the second vampire forest, a 2010 collection, showed up I had to close the tab

>>9822691
>but streetsnaps only make up a percentage of the outfits that existed in that era, there were probably thousands of outfits that never made it to the internet with all sorts of creative elements.
Wasn't the case with Fruits they did only photograph lolita because it was so popular and then only the most "out there" coordinates? Didn't the editor say lolita is booring? However, I'm still quite confident only more interesting coords got usually picked. Sad thing is, we will never know what was actually worn outside of streetsnaps.

I think a good addition to Ophelia's definitions of era would be picking few trends or points of each era that make a coord come accross more as intended. Like popular color combos, shoe styles and patterns. Shame she didn't take her definition into the video, it would have been both helpful and probably helped her to word herself better.

>>9822922
Hopefully part 2 will be more informative

>>9822363
I’m so happy to see this kind of old school too. I’m kinda getting tired of seeing only the super standard old one.

>>9822922
The photographer didn’t liked Lolita, so there are only a few who made it to the magazine. I feel that the ones who were also were a bit more experimental compared to the snaps from Kera and GLB. But it’s indeed hard to find out what was worn outside of these streetsnaps. There is a 30 years of Lolita exhibition soon, but I doubt that people would have send in personal photos. But who know, maybe we will see something new.

>>9823219
Not only he didn't like lolita, he didn't like any people being "uncreative" by only wearing one brand. That means most of the brand-loyal Vivienne Westwood, Milk or Jane Marple fans who might have shown related looks didn't get pictured either.

>>9822922
I think you and Ophelia both need to read some books and studies about the history of lolita

>>9822691
Even street snaps she seems uninformed about, with how basic her coords are.

There is such a huge variety in oldschool, it's not all ringlets/ teased curls and black/white/red. There was classic, gothic, random mismatched shit, some of it was so punk and fun, while others were emulating beautiful princesses. Her style and the other lolitas in her video miss the mark by so much

>>9823598
I personally don't really think she misses the mark very often, but I find it funny that she talked about people ticking things off a list when putting together an old-school coord when she does exactly the same thing when copying street snaps.

>>9823669
She makes it look effortless and "natural" though, that's probably the difference.

>>9823219
That's exactly what I meant. I'm esl so it's hard to word things sometimes. Idk if it's far off, but I imagine it would be comparable if we could only show newbies coords that get over 200 likes on cof. For example, this girl's >>9822372 outfits, especially shoe choices, are a bit different. Snaps often have clunky shoes but she has almost always those same boots.

>>9823551
I never claimed to be an expert in it but I'm not making a guide either. Go ahead and make better suggestions, she lurks this thread so it won't go to waste.

>>9823551
I agree.. Ophelia's video was excruciating. It seemed more like she is trying to be HA to the early 2000s (but not 2005 because omgwut) than cultivating an actual sense of style.

>>9822922
>definitions of era
Did you mean area? I think there was a bigger difference between kobe and harajuku than between 2002 and 2005. I didn't watch the video yet though so idk.

>thick stripes were never used in old school.
>stripes with plaid at all? only once or twice ever

Maybe she just picks things based on her own preference and uses that as the gospel truth because everyone looks up to her so much.

>>9822363
>>9822374
I love these

>>9824485
She made a post on Facebook parting old school roughly on three eras, that's what I'm talking about. I would definitely love to see more examples of areal differences though. I'm sorry I'm way too tired to dig her post up and post it here.

Here's her post:

>>9824793
era 1

>>9824795
2

>>9824796
and 3

>>9824793
I mean I agree with her but I don't like the thought of categorizing old school even more.

>>9823219
>There is a 30 years of Lolita exhibition soon
It's a private exhibition by one person and a helper, I doubt there will be anything we don't know yet. Plus, it looks like it won't be happening, because the organizer didn't ask the brands for their permission, didn't consider copyright issues and only now realises that they exist, after hitting her first goal and second goal, raising 437000 yen in crowd funding.

>>9824793
I agree with her kind of. I started lolita in 2005 and what we considered old school back then was different from what we where wearing. I'm annoyed that it all ends up categorized in the same big oldschool umbrella.

>>9824830
Really? I saw wunderwelt and moitié tweet about it so I assumed it was a bit more professional I am curious tosee how it will go..

>>9822384
I laughed so hard at the gothic giraffe comment, buy you some platform boots like hers and live your gothic giraffe dream! lol

>>9822939
It sounds like she's not making a part 2 now.

>>9825651
deets?

Any of you gulls own anything from HEAVY SYRUP? I just found out about this brand, but can't seem to dig up any info in English, it looks like an old indie brand that I assume died in the mid 2000s at the latest?

Does anyone know why Ophelia deleted her old school vid? Nothing wrong with having an opinion, of course not everyone is going to agree... is that why she deleted it? Such a shame. It would be nice if more people did videos/posts on their views.

>>9825987
>>9826021
>Posted this to my tumblr but it occurred to me most of you probably don't follow me there (not that anyone has asked about this):
>Put my Old School video on private because clearly I did a poor job at articulating what I wanted to and as a result the message I am putting across isn’t the one I want to be sending and I feel like I’ve been misunderstood somewhat. I might make it public again, I might not. I might make a new video where I (hopefully) do a better job at talking about how to dress in old school, but I might not. Since desu my intent isn’t to be a youtuber, I just had some stuff I wanted to say. I don’t enjoy editing videos whatsoever, and clearly I’m not great at speaking in them since I missed out a million things. Hindsight is 20/20 lmao. Anyway, if I do make one I’ll try my best to get help and insight from people so that it is as good and informative as possible, possibly write a script etc. But idek if I’ll make a new one. Also sorry for bumping this post haha.

From Old School FB group.

>>9826047
I understand freaking out and wanting to delete things when people disagree with your opinions, but why not just address those things in a second video? It think the discussion would be super interesting.

>>9824830
There will be really old moitie, for me that already makes it worth going. Idc about her personality or whatever.

>>9826002
I have a headdress from there. I think Heavy Syrup used to be sold at the PRETTY store? Maybe.

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>>9826047
Like I said this is why we can't have nice things. So many people jumped down her throat picking apart every thing she said and the way she said it, there was a lot more negative feedback than there was positive, or just constructive. Everybody knows she lurks so people knew she was gonna see it when they wrote stuff like "the video was excruciating", if someone said stuff like that about something I made I'd feel the urge to take it down as well.
>inb4 "you need a thick skin for cgl"
How about no. This is a prime example of how the gulls' inability to have a civil and constructive conversation killed a potentially interesting initiative.
To those who bitched about Ophelia trying to be a guru or whatever just for sharing her experience and having an opinion - congrats, we're back to no one doing nothing. Yippee.
>I didn't even love it that much but dang it did not deserve the amount of shit it received.

>>9826514
I agree with you, some people just are too harsh, picking at every word imo.
I get the feeling some people just really want to hate on this girl for some reason, probably doesn't matter what she says or does they're gonna hate anyway.
Those people submitted those pictures, they knew they may get critique from her.
I didn't agree with everything she said in her video, but I'm a grown up and I can deal with different opinions without tearing someone a new asshole or stamping my feet like a stroppy toddler.
Didn't think her video was all that bad, she just shared her opinions ffs, everyone is allowed to have their own opinions and share them.

This is indeed why we can't have nice things.

>>9826514
I watched her video and it seemed like she was mostly picking people apart and saying their socks ruined their entire coords, rather than explaining the aesthetic or giving historical context, which is what I think many of us were expecting when she announced this video. I'm not sure how that is "sharing her experience", it was kind of like reading cgl nitpicks out loud.

>>9826514
On Facebook she only got positive feedback and people were quite constructive on here

>>9826470
Thanks for the info anon! This seems right from what I can dig up. I wonder when they went under. They seem to have made a lot of redxwhite and blackxwhite velvet pieces, or at least that's what's been popping up for sale

I knew this thread would be a big Ophelia saltfest.
y'all suck
I don't have enough energy to WK and rebut the things that were clear if you were paying attention to the video all the way through (like her nitpicking wide stripes for herself included, and how MILK made plain bags that size but not with metallic handles (she commented later that it wasn't until after publishing that she realized it was the backside of a BtSSB ribbon heart bag)).

>>9826584
I don't see how you were expecting that when there was a call for people to submit their coords for her to analyze. that was the purpose of the video, to look at coords for the old feel/vibe, and also check for historical accuracy. I think she did a good job of explaining what she could and I wasn't expecting some kind of dissertation in a freaking YT video.

Ophelia isn't the end all be all of old school, but I greatly respect her knowledge. she knows her stuff and holds herself to a good standard. her styling is also incredible across the different jfashions she wears.

If you want to understand the aesthetic the best thing to do would be check through the archives for translations of brand creator/designer interviews. There's a fantastic interview in GLB with Kuniko Kato for example.
VK was also a huge catalyst in the development of the fashion. If you think about it, the lolita silho is structured in a way to feminize any wearer, whether male or female. I'd bet some of the design choices came not only from the OTT trend rising in VK, but also how some of the beloved artists were men.

>>9826584
The point was for people to send in coords and for her to give her opinion on whether it fit the old school 'vibe' and what they could do to change it.... Of course it was based on her perspective and thoughts - she even stated at the beginning that they were her thoughts and not law.

I personally liked Ophelia's video, despite not necessarily agreeing with it all. But that's life, everyone is different and has a different perspective. And instead of bullying people for having different opinions (not saying this is what happened here, but this happens all too much in today's world) we need to be able to have open discussions with people we disagree with, so we can see other perspectives in the world. More people should feel free to speak their minds... and that includes all of us, even people we may disagree with.

Fuck ya'll are a bunch of little kids. Different perspectives and opinions are good for learning and growing.

>>9826669
>and also check for historical accuracy.
But this is the problem, "historical accuracy" is, like the OP pic of this thread proves, based solely on what street snaps you look at.

>>9826566
>I get the feeling some people just really want to hate on this girl for some reason
It's called jealousy. I know the "u jelly" argument is tired but that's what a lot of it boils down to when people have nothing better to say than "ugh I just don't get the hype" or "did you know she was an ita a few years ago!" (as if there are people who weren't ita at least at some point).
There were constructive crits and suggestions, I'm not denying that, but along with them there was a lot of just nastiness which was frankly uncalled for.

>>9826612
Reread my comment. It's clear that Ophelia is active on cgl, she even responded to criticisms right after the video was posted and before the comments got meaner. Many people disregard feedback on FB as "meaningless asspats" and turn to cgl for "honest opinions", and if you get shit on (which the video did, don't try to deny it) for making an effort, I can easily see how one would feel disheartened.
There were people who were constructive, yes, but that does not negate the people who were shitty for the sake of being shitty.

Here's a crazy thought: yes, Ophelia is a stickler for the "do it how they did it in the street snaps" rule and is obssessed with small details like not using pieces that were not yet a thing in those days and no, that is not a bad thing. Apart from just her having the right to have an opinion, I'd like to address the "is Ophelia trying to be some kind of oldschool guru" issue (which I don't think she is but yall are stupid).

I've lost count how many times I've seen anons write in CoF threads and all over the place "you need to learn the rules before you start breaking them". If nooblitas want to mimic Ophelia's strict approach to coording oldschool - fucking let them. If we end up with a bunch of similarly dressed newbies, at least they'll be dressed well. If they have enough of a brain and imagination, they will start moving away from that and trying new things sooner or later, but at least they'll have a solid base and some experience (at least some of them). I honestly fail to see how that is a bad thing.

I have 2 old school baby skirts that I hardly wear because they're just too small. A seamstress in my family offered to redo the waistbands at the cost of some of the gathering. As the btssb tags are on the waistbands, they'd need to be resewn in. At this point I don't really wear them and they were only about $30 each. Should I do it?

>>9827099
How much bigger? I would be concerned if it's a significant increase in the waist measurement as older pieces tend not to have as full of skirts in the first place.

I guess you also need to ask yourself if you honestly think you would wear them a lot after they're altered to fit. If you're considering it because you really love the pieces, it'd be a good idea. But if you're just considering it because they were cheap, you might regret that decision later on.

>>9827104
it's probably going to be 2-3 inches. I was told that the impact wouldn't be so much. Plus, right now I can fit pettis decently in them, I wouldn't mind them being smaller.
> If you're considering it because you really love the pieces, it'd be a good idea. But if you're just considering it because they were cheap, you might regret that decision later on.

I think I'd most definitely wear them more often, though probably buy more tops first. I think that skirts in old school have such a wide variety of looks that can be created.
The only reason I mentioned the price was that if I'm not ever able to sell these in the future it wouldn't be as if it was a $200 skirt, though I have a feeling that someone might like old school skirts that fit a bit bigger.

>>9826782
It was fine, just wasn't particularly interesting. I was hoping to get inspiration and didn't get it at all. Instead of showing what to do, she really focused so much on a bunch of what not to do, which just isn't helpful.

Saying that oldschool was about using what they had at the time is exactly right, so show that style! She needs to practice what she is preaching instead of trying to copy particular snaps item for item

On another note, did one of you get this? I really wanted it but was unsure of how big or small the bust was and didn't want to bother my SS with such a dumb question https://item.mercari.com/jp/m80890884457/..

Maybe I'll start looking for it again if it fits me

>>9827006
I come to cgl to be shitty desu. You shouldn't assume what people say on cgl is true.

>>9827144
I wish!

>>9827144
A gull did get this, she posted in the mail thread about it iirc.

>>9827099
Consider making the back portion of the skirt elastic, it will still fit the original size as well as yours, and be flexible for you if your size changes

>>9827144
Here’s the lolibrary link, in case you haven’t seen it yet: https://lolibrary.org/items/meta-floral-print-front-ribbon-op
It says ~94cm, but I’m sure with full front bodice shirring it could probably fit a larger bust.

>>9827099
Yeah, go for it!

>>9827165
grats assface, you're part of the problem.

Has anyone here owned MAM UTKs? I sometimes see them for cheap second hand and I'm thinking of getting some, but I wanted to gather some feedback first since it's a less widespread brand nowadays.

>>9827165
I get being shitty in other threads cause whatever, but why this one when it's actually functional and serving a purpose?

>>9828946
because braindead people can't tell the difference

>>9827530
It's your problem that you think people go on Facebook to be nice and people go on cgl to share their true opinions. A lot of people just come here to shitposts. I'm not a pussy so if I have useful negative feedback, I can say so on the Facebook post itself.

There were so few mean comments about the video here so could we not spend the rest of the thread whining about it. She just wasn't happy with it herself afterall and hopefully makes a new, better one with the feedback. To be honest she has received far worse here before so she most likely can handle the meaningless critic just fine.

To discuss something else, I just purchased a 2003 op from IW. It's orange-y floral combined with beige/ivory so if anyone has any inspo I would be very grateful. I lost most of my best inspo pics so if anyone had links to the old school folders it would be super appreciated.

>>9827271
Thanks! I should have known it would fit me haha. The one time I don't blindly buy. I was just afraid even if it looked like one on lolibrary it would be a different year and not fit the same. Seems like a lot of the things I've been getting lately aren't on lolibrary and I'm nervous about contributing and measuring wrong or something

How do you guys go about picking blouses? I keep second guessing all the blouses I see on second hand websites.

>>9829000
damn thats one of my dream items, grats anon!

>>9829330
Old-School meetup.

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>>9824793
Does anyone know where/who this came from? I'm working on a con panel and would love to cite/attribute it to someone.

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>>9829349
Due to the success, 原宿懐古会 may be hold more often.

>>9829342
This is Ophelia's post in the Old School FB group, however the comments had much more discussion than this with people agreeing/disagreeing on the eras, someone corrected her that simple prints were in lolita long before 2004, etc. It was a good discussion, I loved reading it.

>>9829000
Here is Ophelia's flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/150661037@N08/sets/72157683778280555
An oldschool cgl album: https://imgur.com/a/YzGcg

I don't have many actual albums bookmarked, so I hope this helps. I gotta commend Ophelia on that flickr, it's really nice. Also here's an orangey floral VM jsk coord from a GLB.

>>9829458
Can you cap it, please? Things like that should be saved, especially when they're on FB where they aren't exactly archived and easy to find.

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>>9829353
This makes me so happy. Thank you for posting, anon!

>>9827530
I own a couple of MAM utks as well as otks and they're good quality. The ones I have do run pretty small, so if you have thicker legs they might feel tight, but that mostly goes for the otks.
I have a printed pair and they're very sturdy, nicely done print, tends to warp a bit horizontally even on small legs though, but ymmv. The lacetopped ones feature a really soft cotton lace, a bit less gathered and long than those of other brands maybe. Overall I'm very happy with them, go for it anon!

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>>9829471
Honestly there were a lot of people just giving their opinion without knowing the facts

>>9829332
dang who's the qt kneeling in the left front row with a fur headdress?

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>>9829561
gonna keep dumping oldschool gothic and kuro coords

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>>9829563
I love this one so much, I'm a terrible sucker for white collared black coords. Do post more, anon!

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>>9829569
Will post what i've got on my hard drive.
I got those (actual) old school western pics from the 2000s in a lolita general a while ago, an anon dumped them, and i think i saved them all. For now i'll dump gothic/kuro coords, but i can dump the rest later if some of you are interested.

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>>9829574
This one is iconic, but i'll post it anyway for the nice "idgaf" vibes it always make us feel

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>>9829293
It was on LM unnamed and it didn't look modern IW at all and I'm pretty sure it's pic related, but it's quite hard to be certain. Lolibrary had nothing similar and the pattern, color and collar match. I will post pics once I receive it!

>>9829467
Thank you, combed them trough and found many pics I had lost and few new ones!

>>9829332
yo, someone plzzz ID those carved out wedges on the sax op girl on the right!

>>9829862
they look like the ones jeffery campbell made

>>9829893
ty anon!

>>9829284
What are you having difficulty with? Picking old school blouses in general or finding one for a particular coord?

If it's the former, I've found that photos of old school coords are the best source of inspo. If the latter, feel free to post your coord here (or in the coord help thread).

Pls help old school anons. I just got peeking bloomers in the mail, but should I wear utks with them or ankle socks? I feel like my utks look like lace topped otks when I'm wearing the bloomers, but I'm not sure.

>>9831517
where did you get your bloomers? are they nice? been struggling trying to find a decent pair of peeking bloomers that aren't 100+ dollars

>>9831517
what's wrong with looking like you're wearing otk lace topped socks? if you look at the glb you can see both options and both look fine.

>>9829544
The one with the snow leopard print jacket or the VK one?

>>9831529
2ndhand from WW, Meta. Very nice.
>>9831531
In your example pic I think it's more obvious that she's wearing bloomers. My dress, utks, and bloomers are all black. I wanted the bloomers to stand out a bit more.

>>9831619
I was actually going to post different pictures but I realized the ones I was thinking of are on my PC and I'm not home. But still! there are lots of examples in glb of peeking bloomers with various socks and legwear!

>>9829614
Wow this op is beautiful! It looks like it could be a moitie dress? But could anyone who knows tell me the brand and what the dress is called?

>>9831644
I have the skirt version, it is moitie. No idea what it's called though

>>9831517
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you with the correct picture anon, but here. a perfect example. Either option looks cute in my opinion. I personally prefer long socks/tights with my peeking bloomers, but here you can see them with short socks as well and it's still super cute.

I wonder why so many now old-school lolitas used to be sugary sweet before completely switching their taste. Is it just a tendency to following trends?

>>9832922
My very first coords in lolita adhered to the very last traces of old school in 2007, around the time when AP came out with their pastel vomit then-OTT prints; these prints caught my eye and I wanted them desperately, my first DD was the Fruits Parlor OP in mint. Around 2010 I realized that it's not actually my thing, and I went back to the "plain" old school looks. I genuinely think AP's earlier prints are gorgeous today too, but they're not something I'd feel comfortable wearing myself.

It might be something similar with others; i.e. they saw sweet lolita in whatever variation that caught their eye, tried it, maybe even loved it, and then eventually grew out of it and turned to another style that spoke to them more. Or it could be a bandwagon-hopping thing, that's definitely a possibility.
I don't really mind either way, as long as people don't wear some basic black and white coord and call it old school because they want to be "cool" but have no concept of what old school actually is.

>>9832922

I don't really see the disconnect/switch in taste. Sweet old school is still sweet. Sugary sweet is just one very specific subset of a sub style.

>>9832942
It bothers me so much how many things I see listed as old school just because they are black and white. just like people saying something is gothic because it's all black.

>>9832922

The sweet brands were and still are major producers of old school. Angelic Pretty always makes one old school set for their New Years fukubkuro. Btssb is still making their Classical series, which includes a lot of old school hits. If you like either brand, I can see how it's an easy step to go from buying sweet print this month to buying an old school solid next month.

Besides, old school and sugary sweet fit together really well. There's a lot of sweet dresses where you can simply swap in a white old school blouse and it would still match the sugary sweet aesthetic.

It's >>9829000 and >>9829643 here, received the dress today! I'm pretty confident it's IW Chemical Lace OP from 2003, pic related is my dress, stock photo, Lolibrary info and tags. The condition is excellent which makes me question it's age but perhaps it just wasn't used a lot. I'm super happy, I'm super wide shouldered and this is the first op in a while I can lift my arms up and it's pretty flattering otherwise too. I have IW's Classical bonnet in mail which will hopefully match!

>>9833480
This is beautiful! That old typewriter font on the label is charming.

>>9833480
It's lovely! What a great find.

Has anyone got, or seen, anything pretty recently?

>>9822363
One thing I really miss from lolita that I used to see a lot when I first got into it (2001) is side lacing on dresses and cutsews/blouses. I love shirring and I think it can really add a lot to a design, but I don't know... I really took a liking to the side lacing back then and I really don't see it much any more.

Are there any design elements or specific things you miss, anons?

How would you coord an oldschool dress with other more modern elements? Do you have any good examples of coords like that?

>>9840436
Wear the Melissa RHS

>>9840436

Metamorphose has a renewed version of their grandma floral bouquet with chiffon ruffles. Is that what you meant?

>>9840436
I don't have a picture, but at an old-school meet I went to, there was someone wearing a black JSK, with a chiffon dotted blouse, and the plastic rocking horse shoes.

>>9840520
No, sorry if I didn't explain that very well! I meant oldschool dresses coorded with more recent style shoes, blouses, accessories and so on. I don't intend to call it oldschool, I'd just like to see examples of coords like that done well.

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>>9840464

I like the dotted blouse idea, not a massive fan of Mellisa shoes though

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>>9840570
This might not be quite what you mean, but imo pic related seems to carry the frumpy-but-charming, slightly creepy old school "vibe" while using all modern pieces. I do think it's entirely possible to pull this off with other modern pieces but it takes a certain understanding of old school and what makes it what it is, if that makes sense.

>>9840923
Well fuck me I completely misread the first post, which I actually quoted. Pls disregard.

>>9840520
daym I love this print so much, I want one of the pieces in navy

I wish the non-old-school coords wouldn't be allowed in the old-school discord

>>9840436
This girl has some where she coords old school stuff with more modern elements, I'll post a few. Here is Baby's Fairy Skirt from 2002.

>>9842343
AP Standing Collar Cross OP

>>9842344
AP Velveteen Skirt and MAM bustier.

I hope these three suffice at least as decent examples of how stuff can be easily changed with diff shoes, legwear, cutsews etc.

>>9836408
I actually have an older Meta skirt that has side shirring and ribbon ties on the side and it looks great together. I do wish side lacing would come back, especially on blouse sleeves.

Anybody know the name or year of this Meta OP?

>>9843692
2002 crown print series

>>9843695
Thanks anon! I found the lolibrary link its so pretty in black!
https://lolibrary.org/items/meta-crown-print-babydoll-op

I see lolibrary has the same pictures as the listing. How long has it been up for sale? A while I'm assuming?

>>9843701
Since january, because the seller is a scalper who buys items off violet blue and other second hand websites and immidiately sells them for 5x - 10x . In this case they bought it for 4500 yen and tried to sell it for around 30000 at first.

>>9843728
Oh shoot well thanks for the info! I got it for about $120usd which is pretty reasonable imo but ill be sure not to buy from them again. I dont like to support scalper behavior when possible

I just ran in to some old files of mine from lolita snap or maybe I got them off her live journal or her site I don't remember she used to go by the name of Kaoru_ai her name was Lauren. I've seen a few pics of her around but hopefully you haven't seen these.

Last one! Hope you enjoyed!

>>9844661
she actually has a website with a bunch of coords from years and years ago (to current)
>http://www.lauran.com/category/lolita-fashion

>>9844718
Bess you, anon

>>9827015
If she truly was a stickler for the rules of old school she wouldn't wear crappy Bodyline accessories and would invest in more than 2 shitty BL accessories at that.

Every so often I vome across am older indie (I'm assuming) brand called "Plastic + Prin" anyone have any info on it?The few dresses I've seen look similar to older Baby items.

>>9846420
I don't recall a "no bodyline" point in ye oldeschoole rulebook, it's your right to dislike BL but there's nothing wrong about using it in oldschool coords.
>tfw tried to criticize someone's choice of accessories but only managed to come off as a brandwhore

>>9846612
god i want a pair of chunky white mary janes

>>9846765
it used to be a sex shop though

>>9846612
That dress is Innocent World.

>>9844682
I had that dress! It was so lovely and the fabric was so nice!

>>9847396
Lolibrary link?

>>9844669
>tfw I was 14
Wish I could've gotten into lolita back then. Glad I found it eventually though!! I freaking love this fashion

>>9847156
that doesnt suddenly make their lolita accessories and shoes null? dont be dumb

>>9847535
https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-rococo-rose-jsk-0

>>9846612
This JSK is on Maiden Clothing if you want it: https://maidenclothing.net/user_data/gs_product_detail.php?id=154069427001

>>9848117
js it's unlikely lolitas bought from there such a long time ago. that girl strikes me as someone who's obsessed with being accurate (''authentic'').

>>9848117
js it's unlikely lolitas bought from there such a long time ago. that girl strikes me as someone who's obsessed with looking ~authentic

>>9848989
Better than throwing on whatever black and white main piece that you have and declare your coord "old school" for whatever cool trendy points it might get you on social media.

>>9848997
why are you so defensive?

I've been out of the loop.. is old school really a "trend" again?

>>9849122
The Oregon comm made it look good again, so there are a few girls on COF that post coords in it every once in a while.
For the entirety of lolita fashion trends, I'd say it's barely a ripple.

What is a trend is low key super wearable looks for 'plain' styling, seems like every major brand is answering that in the wake of VM's fall.

>>9849336
no one has ever given a fuck about the oregon comm
>euro masterrace

>>9851490
>being this new

>>9851492
>thinking anyone cares about oregon let alone burgerland in general

>>9851633
mana certainly seems to care about burgerland more than he does about europe

>>9851636
But he's coming to Finland too tho?

>>9851490
being from neither america nor europe, I can say with a neutral standpoint that almost all of the old school lolitas that I'd credit to "keeping the trend alive" are european

Not sure if this or the taobao thread would be the right place to ask, but are there any taobao shops that make things in an old school style?

>>9851657
Yep. Suck it random Oregon chan.

>>9851711
No because taobao brands use cheap material that isn't accurate to the old school style. They don't want to shell out $$ for that luxurious fabric and crochet lace.

>>9851657
This.
>>9849336
Who are this oregon girls you speak of?

>>9851711
Sibyl Heisei

>>9836408
Mini neckties. :(

>>9842344
That one is my dream dress, I'm so jealous... ;_;

>>9853063
same

>>9822378
I love this dress, anyone know?

>>9858990
https://lolibrary.org/items/max-gobelin-op-2001

I hope one of you guys got this and not some scalper. I was going to get it but decided to pass. Then an hour later i decided to link it here so i went back and it was allready gone. Sorry i didnt think about doing it earlier.

>>9840923
This is what i want in lolita, she got her game on, fancy boots, sharp dress. Love it, especially the cute boots.

This is sooo cute, but I've already bought so much this month. maybe someone else might enjoy this tipoff. it has the really old AP tag, can't find it on lolibrary.

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e235572688

I'm such a noob when it comes to finding worn photos of dresses but do anyone have any worn pictures of btssb's floral jsk? I would be so grateful if someone could upload pictures of this jsk worn!

>>9866556
Not worn, but here's the lolibrary link: https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-galetta-jsk

The "Gothic Lolita Museum" opened yesterday.

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>>9867026
And that's it. She raised 463500 yen in crowd funding for this. At least 80% of the exhibit are things I've seen second hand in the past 1-3 months.

>>9867027

Most of it might have gone towards renting the space.

I was curious if she actually included anything about how lolita started up, the history behind the name, anything like that?

>>9867027
>She raised 463500 yen in crowd funding for this
What the fuck
I was going to say it looked sad, but that's just infuriating.

>>9867021
I love this. It would be so cool if my comm did something like this, not just with old school. There are peopl in my comm who I know collect some very rare dresses that they never wear so it would be really awesome to see them irl.

>>9867019
Do you have links to an article, anon?

>>9867027
I feel like people in my comm would be able to make a more spectaculair and varied exhibition with their wardrobe than this. None of the pieces look like they are from before the 2000s, which makes me kind of sad as it’s supposed to be 30 years of Lolita.

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>>9867045
Now I really want to organise something like this. But, I wouldn't have anything super interesting to bring and I'm not well-known in my comm so people might not trust me with their stuff that easily.

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>>9867027
As someone who studied museology, this makes my blood boil. You can run a decent small exhibition with that amount of money, this is lazy and honestly pathetic. Even if most of the money goes on room hire, she could have reached out to the wider community and borrowed dresses for display, even filmed little interviews from the dresses' owners which could be accessed by visitors by scanning QR codes. (She could have also had information cards.) She could have sourced a more complete GLB collection, it's literally easy to find them. She could have done a timeline illustrated with coords, maybe even recreated famous coords from the media, like one of Momoko's, one of Mana's, one of Nana Kitade's, etc... I hope she brought in at least three interesting speakers, otherwise this is a complete joke. Look at the shop bags just taped to the wall for christssake.

>>9867021
she bought the fucking dress I wanted I'm mad

>>9867027
so basically.. this museum is nothing more interesting than us looking in our own wardrobes. okay..

>>9867202
I'd wager some of us have much more interesting wardrobe than this, actually.

>>9867173
The long black one? I love that one. What a waste of dresses

>>9867206
This. There aren't even any rare dresses in this "museum".

very interesting concept. I wish that, instead of taking this on as a personal project, that she'd collaborated with other lolitas and maybe even designers.

This is a great first step though! I hope this spurs a more professional and organized exhibit.

If I could travel to Japan to visit a lolita museum I'd be the happiest girl on earth.

>>9867138
I think it could be fun even if there aren't any rare dresses, especially if you live in a state without any lolita shops

>>9867035
I wasn't there but judging from the tweets about the museum, it doesn't seem like there was a lot of new information. The organizer claims on her twitter that she's been into lolita since 2007 (lmao, I just checked it and now she's changed it to 2006), but every coord they've ever posted included items she bought in the past year (even her now deleted posts) so I doubt she has a lot of old knowledge to contribute.

>>9867098
No, only their crowdfunding page and twitter tag.
Crowdfunding: https://readyfor.jp/projects/gothiclolita2018
Twitter: https://twitter.com/hashtag/ゴスロリ博物館
Salty Japanese Seagulls, starting around post 1798: http://new.bbs.2ch2.net/test/read.cgi/kotanuki/1519581111/1-

>>9867045
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>>9867138
Same! Imagine a real lolita museum all over the globe, connecting all the comms.
The moitie nun dress, the blue meta dress and the red velour btssb dress are all from 1999 btw.

>>9867141
I honestly suspect she did it purely for relatively easy/lazy profit under the mask of lolita history. Besides the crowdfund she also charged an entrance fee after all. Though she hired a nail artist and will hold the exhibition in Osaka too, so maybe that's where a part of the money goes. (Fun fact: a month before starting her crowd fund and then setting her second goal to fund the museum in osaka, she visited VM in Osaka and tweeted how much she'd like to go there again soon.) It seems like the speakers were only her (the organizer) and a friend of her, pic related.
But your ideas are great anon, I'd love to contribute to such a thing.

>>9867202
Yes, from now on we should charge a fee for people to view our wardrobe posts and magazine scans.

>>9867269
Forgot to say, it seems like there was also a "sales corner" where she tried to sell her own sales that sat on her mercari for months. https://twitter.com/lapis_child/status/990750766305456128

>>9866614
Thank you anon but it's actually the "Floral jsk" from 2005 and the ivory colorway but it doesn't matter. Now I know baby have released this dress a couple of times since I didn't know it beforehand!

https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-floral-jsk-2005

>>9867019
This is really unfortunate looking. From the looks of the pictures there's no real organization, it just looks like a bunch of pieces thrown on dress forms or on the wall with no care for the display's 'story'.

I feel like to really display a history of lolita you'd need to have a piece or two from every couple years (aiming for pieces featured in GLB ads in particular but that would be horrifyingly hard) from each of the big brands (AP, baby, meta, maybe Moitie). Then you annotate the timeline with history tidbits like 'in 20XX Kato-sensei left Metamorphose" or "in XXXX Angelic Pretty hired Maki and Asuka". Displaying the GLBs from that year alongside the dresses could also be interesting. I'm having visions of a display featuring everything pre-2000, then another section for every five years after. Including the more goth/punk side is harder though.

That would be the work of years to buy yourself though, so you would need a number of people willing to loan dresses, which honestly isn't likely unless it's a big comm having a local event and they take their dresses home right after.

>>9867504
I think people would if it was a legit set up by someone reasonably well regarded and there was something clearly in place regarding getting dresses back, but given that the most prominent figures in the western community are surrounded by drama it probably wouldn't happen.

>>9822384
are you Gothic Giraffe-chan from a different thread a while back? Because I've nicked that and have been describing myself as thus and bless you Goraffe-chan ilu