/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Magical Stone

>>9799030
Again no skirt

>>9799030
Again no skirt

>>9799033
I can't help but think this would look so nice as a solid piece. Black with a white collar and cuffs, all black, maybe even brown and beige... I just love the shape of the collar, it's so unique.
The print is nice but somehow the combination of it with this cut seems meh to me.

>>9797762

i love this artist mostly but this. this is utter garbage

VM's 20th anniversary event has 15 minutes to go in case anyone wants to grab something last minute.
>https://camp-fire.jp/projects/view/56734

>>9799030
>>9799033
All the fat tumblr witches in my comm are going to love this.

>no skirt
boo

>>9799118
Tbh, next to fully shirred skirts, I think cuts like >>9799033 look better on fat girls than any other cuts

>>9799110
FML just saw this. I had totally forgotten about it because I thought I'd be out of spending money.
Hopefully someone will sell me an acrylic coffin at some point.

>>9799123
The skirt would have been for me, I prefer skirts. Most fat girls I know only ever buy jsks because it's apparently quite difficult to find a blouse that fits properly if you're big and you can more easily get away with badly fitted blouses if they're mostly hidden under the bodice of a dress.

>>9799129
Doesn't Maxicimam and Physical Drop do plus-size blouses?

>>9799129
>>9799131
Somewhat related: I'm busty but not overweight and I've found that AaTP blouses fit me perfectly with no gapping at all in the bust. My AaTP blouses are the sole reason I'm sad we don't get more skirt releases.

>>9799143
Oh! I’m busty-ish as well and stick with skirts because of it. A lot of the blouses I find are way less cute. What’s your bust measurement?

>>9799033
Anon, you missed a cut.

>>9799157
Now that is cute

>>9799157
I never post all of the cuts and colourways, and I thought that one was ugly, sorry

>>9799168
I agree, the cut makes no sense to me. It looks different from the concept drawing as well and I don't know why they made the parted skirt in the first place

>>9799030
I would love this in lavender purely because amethyst is my birthstone, and it’d be cool to wear during February!

>>9799079
This person has definitely never seen anything from Mary Magdalene

>>9799195

>>9799197

>>9799173
I'm hoping it's a bad sample and the real thing will look better

>>9799198
Uncopyrighted sailor moon "collab"?

>>9799157
I feel like the petti or hoopskirt is at fault here.
It's way too much at the bottom.

>>9799154
About 89 cm

>>9799209
>1 cm above motie’s imaginary standard measurements
>”busty”
Anyone have good recs for 96 cm busts? IW is great but I’d love to hear what y’all are wearing (except this idiot)

>>9799220
lose weight

>>9799220
Plus size brands like Maxicimam Lovely and Physical Drop.

>>9799231
Thanks, does anyone have experience with Physical Drop? Some of their stuff can be cute if you squint hard enough.

>>9799225
Kek, no thank you. My waist fits unshirred brand just fine and I’d have to get a surgical breast reduction to go down to 88cm based on my breast size from when I had an ED. Believe it or not, some people just have boobs.

So, idk how to ask this, but how far would you go for your burando budget?

I earned some money through a few furry comissions, even though I think they’re all weirdos. I could probably get even more money by doing more comissions, there are potential customers. But I kinda wonder if I‘ betraying myself by being a hypocrite?
But it feels so nice to spend those extra dollars on brand.
I wondered if other people had similiar means to earn some money for lolita.

>>9799220
Meta. I've found blouses which start at 96" with shirring before.

>>9799236
Not my pic but when it comes to Physical Drop it depends on your own coording skills. I used to have a couple of Maxicimam blouses and the cotton was really nice.
>I had an ED
Nobody asked

>>9799251
Awesome! A few of my favorite OPs are Meta, so that will probably do nicely.

Dropped pic
>>9799254

>>9799236
>I had an ED

Sure. Binge eating disorder is an ED. I believe you.

>>9799254
>someone tells me to lose weight with no context
>gives them context as to why I’m not doing that and instead asking for brand recs
sage because I don’t want to derail.

I am impressed with Physical Drop used well, plus I like the owner’s focus on actual daily wear instead of more OTT looks. I may do a haul soon.

>>9799264
Aren't you embarrassed to buy plus sized items though?

>>9799247
Hey, if you feel comfortable with it do it. It’s not like you are exploiting anybody

>>9799268
No?

>>9799272
I wish I didn't have any shame or self awareness like you. I can't imagine feeling okay with buying fat girl clothes.

>>9799273
I can’t imagine not buying clothes that fit me properly, but hey you do you

>>9799276
You could just stop being fat and fit into normal clothes.

>>9799273
I also sometimes find it hard to believe skinny people with big boobs exist, but then I remember I have 99cm hips with a 67cm waist.

>>9799279
In normie clothes,not so much,but in Lolita,wide hips aren't that much of a problem (extra poof,yes please)

>>9799279
67cm waist isn't that thin. You're probably technically obese jsyk, you just hold your weight differently

>>9799289
>Cgl, MD: here to save the day

>>9799293
>too stupid to be able to tell if someone's fat or not from almost 100cm hips

Believe it or not most people don't need a medical degree to be able to tell if someone's fat.

>>9799289
It is thin in my country, where the average height for women is 171cm :)

>>9799220
Nayrt, but that is busty when you're skinny. But obviously you wouldn't know that.

wow cgl really hates fatasses don't they.
You people literally shoot yourselves in the foot derailing threads so you can talk about fat people.

>>9799298
I don't see how calling out a fatty for pretending not to be fat is shooting myself in the foot. not like there won't be another thread

>>9799297
It’s literally average burando size? How short are you?

>>9799294
Have you heard of bones?

>>9799298
Eh, it’s mostly trolls who come here to entertain themselves desu. The problem mostly occurs when people try to get legitimate answers to questions and then take bait because half the responses are completely useless

>>9799297
This is what I'm saying. She's clearly fat pretending she isn't.


>>9799304
Nobody is going to be skeletal and have 100cm hips lmao. Are you stupid?

>>9799302
da
burando is too big for me in the bust and I have a 71 cm waist so I'm not that skinny. I def consider 89cm to be busty. you don't need huge boobs to be busty.

>>9799307
t. fatty

People have a legitimate hate for fat people on /cgl/. Calling them trolls just because it hurts your feelings that people are disgusted by you for your size doesn't invalidate their opinion.

>>9799308
>skeletal
If you have ''big bones'' but are skinny, obviously your hips are still going to be huge no matter how much weight you lose, whereas your waist doesn't have bones in it so will become more skinny

>>9799308
So what’s your favorite brand, anon? I’m honestly curious to get to know you. You seem very passionate, which I like.

>>9799313
>buying into the big bones myth

Alright, my bad, I didn't realize you were retarded. I guess I should have figured it out when you thought someone with 100cm hips wasn't fat.

>>9799316
Do you think people who are 171cm tall have the same size bones you do? lol

>>9799302
I'm not the anon claiming to be busty. Average brand size is chubby so if you're on the high end of that scale and not overweight, I can see how they would call themselves busty. But I guess they could consider themselves not overweight when they are. Personally I do think 89cm bust is busty for someone with a 60cm waist.

>>9799318
Seeing as I'm about 170cm, yes. Idk why you think 171 is that tall.

>>9799316
>big bones myth

You realise the term 'child bearing hips' literally comes from women having wide pelvic bones.

>>9799312
but this is so fucking stupid.

it's like you legitimately think most normal people give this much of a fuck about fatasses and caring this much about fatty-chans is normal. we were discussing dresses a minute ago.

>>9799323
>doesn't like bait
>continues to talk to it

>>9799323
>but derailing isn’t trolling if it’s my fee fees!

>>9799321
That is completely unrelated to having "big bones." People who use the term big bones are just fat.

There's a difference between someone with child bearing hips and a fat whale with 100cm hips.

>>9799323
If most normal people weren't disgusted by fatties, why are fatties the one group it's still relatively socially acceptable to pick on?

>>9799327
You’re right! Thanks for your input. You changed all of our minds. Good job, and thank you anon.

Now, let’s talk about dresses.
Probability this will look like an overly long tube on everyone? >>9799198

>>9799327
>>9799326
>>9799324
cool.

I really like the Haenuli Crystal Guardians release, all the color ways are super cute.

>>9799332
Shut up fatty.

>>9799335
I actually agree, which is weird because I normally hate their stuff

>>9799336
So you don’t think it will look awkward and lumpy like usual? That will be a nice change. Are you interested in picking it up?

>>9799337
Yeah, most of their prints are too dark for me but even the black one is really cute with all the pastels

>>9799341
I don’t even dislike dark colors, but I think the pastels helped the design look less garish than usual

>>9799340
Not that poster, but I hope it won't look too lumpy! I think I'm getting the blue JSK. I really like the way the colors look together. I don't actually care about Sailor Moon at all, I just really like how it looks.

>>9799349
Maybe the full back shirring will help? Maybe??

>>9799355
I guess I just have to keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.

Question, are there translations of the scans in GLB? I see alot of oldschool dresses I like and it's frustrating that I can't actually find most of the dresses because it's all in japanese. Even if I never get the chance to actually own them, I'd like to be able to see other coords with them.

What’s Haenuli’s print quality like?

>>9799357
Some. Check egl or wayback for more oldschool magazines

>>9799357
If you learn Hiragana and Katakana and just look up the Kanji by radicals it’s not that hard.
I don’t think anyone has ever made translations for the GLB and the English GLB only had some translated content from GLBs from that era in it.

>>9799319
I'm the anon who was talking about AaTP blouses originally. I am 5 foot and my waist is 61 cm. The only other blouses I have are IW and baby and they gap enough that I would need a camisol underneath to attempt wearing them with a skirt. Thats why I was so happy when I discovered AaTP releases the same blouse cuts as baby but with larger bust size, and some great designs unique to that line as well.

I came back from lunch to a derailed thread and I was just hoping to help some anons who thought burando blouses would never work without a jsk on top to cover the gaping window into your undergarments.

>>9799327
>67cm waist
>fat whale

>>9799369
You would probably have a good experience with a brand like Mary Magdalene. It’s not that your bust size is physically large, but that the bust to waist ratio is greater for your height.

Sweet brands tend to have a boxier style which won’t flatter your body type. Classic brands tend to have a curvier cut (which is likely why AatP fit you better... it’s more fitted than Baby).

Other things that work are sewing invisible snaps into the gaps on your blouse to keep them closed. IW and Baby should physically fit your measurements so it won’t tug or anything. It will just help them lay flat.

>>9799372
So you’re nay on the Haenuli dress?

>>9799372
>doesn't know what fat distribution is

>>9799377
>>9799372
oh my god

>>9799377
I agree, the puff sleeves do look a little oddly constructed.

>>9799358
It’s beautifully printed but on really shit tier polyester. Honestly for $300 I’d expect brand quality.

>>9799376
I'm at a point where I don't even understand why people like Haenuli

>>9799382
K cool, then I’m out. For that price I’ll just pick up some VM before it’s gone.

>>9799383
I think a lot of it has to do with people trying to legitimize taobao in general. There’s a desperate need to find “real chinese brands” to justify taobao purchases, so they overblow the quality f Haenuli or Krad Lanrete. Which frankly isn’t necessary. I don’t need to argue my Surface Spell dress is brand quality to like it or think it was worth the purchase

>>9798963
beautiful

Do you think it's possible for lolita to be too long, or is the overall aesthetic and quality more important to you than "the rules"?

I need some advice.
I listed an item for bidding and a higher BIN.
Someone messaged me and and tries to negotiate.
We've almost reached an agreement (their offer is higher than the bidding, but lower than the BIN).
Now someone has bid on my item and I can't delete or edit the listing anymore.
What should I do? Agree to the offer and tell them to BIN, but pay for the offered price or should I inform the bidder of their competition?

Another example
>>9799389

>>9799389
I’m in the “rules are nice for newbies but let’s not hang ourselves on them” camp. That being said, pic related just looks like a normal dress.

>>9799392
Tell that person to bid with their offer

>>9799394
The pics are from a European lolita who lives in Japan and sometimes models for Japanese indie brands like Rosa Bianca

>>9799392
I’m not sure how CoF terms work, but you could do the BIN option and invoice them for that price with a “discount” in the invoice that brings down the agreed price

>>9799399
Right, but that specific dress doesn’t have any details that say lolita. Maybe aristo? >>9799393 Is closer I guess.

>>9799205
Not surprising from haenuli.

>>9799400
>CoF

Newfag

>>9799406
Shit, nah that was just a mental slip. I did mean Lace Market (I assume they are selling on Lace Market). Regardless, I would still do the PayPal discount option. Seems cleanest and traceable in case there’s a dispute.

>>9799383
I like the prints I guess.

>>9799401
The thing is that she says it's lolita, and I wonder at what point it stops being lolita for you. Personally if that dress was 90cm I'd have no doubt about it, especially considering the simple coords she normally wears. Isn't it just because that particular dress is touching the ground? Pic related is also her.

>>9799247
I mean, if you have customers and don't mind drawing weird porn, I don't think it's that bad. If Momoko can make money for brand with pachinko, you can make money for brand by drawing furry porn.
I haven't done anything of the sort for my brand so I don't have anything to contribute to the discussion besides this.

>>9799413
Partially. Classic draws so much from historical fashion that it can just get into “historically inspired dress” category if it doesn’t have SOMETHING that distinguishes it. Higher dress lines help update the look a bit, and in this cord show off distinctly lolita shoes. Sweet and gothic have an easier time from falling off the wagon, since their themes and motifs are spefic to their lolita substyles in themselves

>>9799392
just tell them to BIN and invoice the right price.

>>9799418
>>9799400
This is really unfair to the other person bidding. You don't know if they are willing to bid higher. That other person should just bid on it too and wait and see. If it's so important to her, she should pay the BIN price.

>>9799254
Maxicimam blouses look really good irl (not in stock photos though). It's a pity that they don't fit my style (2010's AP sweet)

>>9799385
wtf is wrong with you? Haenuli isn't taobao.
do people really feel so comfortable to blurt things out on cgl when they have no idea what they're talking about???

would you wear this to your wedding

>>9799424
What is wrong with you to expect everyone on cgl to have some level of intelligence, or even to care enough about lolita to know such things

>>9799428
If I had 4k to spare I would.

>>9799420
On the other hand, it’s not really fair to the person who made an offer and the seller accepted it. If I was bidding on a house and someone made an offer before I did, I couldn’t run around whigning about how I /would/ have been willing to pay more. You can argue it either way.

>>9799277
2/10 bait

>>9799428
Nah, I’d commission the artist formally known as 4 o’clock for that price

>>9799432
OP said they ‚almost‘ reached an agreement. I think this indicates the offer was not accepted yet.

>>9799268
I weigh 275lbs. My wardrobe is over 100 main pieces & I hope the thought of my fat doughy stomach stretching out the waistband shirring makes you sick

>>9799433
Yeah, I agree the unlicensed collab is pretty tacky

>>9799438
Ah, then yeah just tell them to BIN

>>9799439
Not into sailor moon then?

>>9799439
>275lbs

I hope you die of a heart attack caused by you walking up two flights of stairs, diabetes-chan.

>>9799420
waht, but then by that logic the bidder should BIN.
other person got to seller first with an offer.

BIN for price other than listed has been done forever. that's why people always say you can't use sale price on completed listings to help figure resale value of certain pieces.

There's nothing unfair if first-come-buyer ends the sale via BIN and pays the agreed-upon price with seller.

>>9799392
Agree to offer and do BIN. When you create invoice you can put whatever price in there you agreed on.

>>9799449
Actually I walk 5 miles a few times a week & used to be a dance tutor, but thanks. Enjoy your anorexia.

>>9799439
>>9799449

haha yeah, me too, I'm not too sure about haenuli myself. I like the idea of the print but I'm not too sure about the quality of the brand.

>>9799385
Anon are you a retard?

>>9799439
Nauseating and derailing, thanks a lot

>>9799429
then you're posting in the wrong thread, bucko.
>lurking is free

>>9799461
I’ll probably buy it second hand after the hype is over

>>9799466
Yeah, meta might be a safer pre order

>>9799439

It's not my life, it's yours. Making bad decisions is your call. It's just funny you think it's something to gloat about.

>>9799461
I know what you're trying to do, but it comes off as really annoying and just helps the derailing. Just ignore them and don't reply instead of being more of a nuisance.

>>9799446
People who are into Sailor Moon should support Sailor Moon by not buying from Haenuli

>>9799458
The other people bidding don't know the seller accepts offers. They might've made a higher bid than said offer. The least the seller should do is inform the others about the offer that has been made to see if they want to go higher than that.

>>9799392
There's absolutely no reason why that person shouldn't just bid on it

>>9799439
how tall are you, anon?
I'm 180cm and 212lbs
I have quite a few mains, just under 40.

I like your attitude. wear whatever makes you happy. the vitriol you get from unnecessarily angry anons is really just them yelling at themselves for feeling fat/undesirable (which likely isn't true but mental illnesses are tough).

Ima be the first to admit that ya'll over here throwing numbers around like you know what they mean, I dont fucking know what any of these digits mean.

>>9799481
Obviously that person is trying to secure the item for a lower BIN price. Maybe they don't want to wait for the listing to end? In case it's a 30 days listing.

>>9799481
because they really want it but can't go higher than their offer.

since bidder has actually made a commitment to buy, maybe you can get 50% of offer from offer-chan as a non-refundable deposit before she BIN
either way, you have a little bit of security in knowing someone else is interested.

>>9799481
It’s not unusual to make offers, anon

>>9799476
you're probably right. it's more just my way of trying to convey that I'm annoyed without directly contributing to the derail. that being said i'm doing that right now so....

>>9799468
Pretty much. I don't mind a lower quality dress sometimes as long as it isn't overpriced. for 300 bucks I could buy something better quality.
i'd rather get it cheaper second hand

>>9799247
I've seriously considered FinDom. I wouldn't,of course,FinDom in lolita.

>>9799392
OP here. Maybe I should also have said the person offering a lower price is also wanting it in a payment plan.

>>9799460
>thinks walking 5 miles in a day is hard when it's the recommended amount
>someone that's 275lbs calling a person of a normal weight anorexic

10/10 I laughed pretty hard

I have nothing against fat people, but imo leaving your blouse unbuttoned under your JSK like >>9799129 says is just wrong. Aren't those blouses too tight around your arms and shoulders anyway? Buy clothes that fit or alter them ffs. Pic related fits a 105cm bust.

>>9799195
>>9799197
>>9799198
Its sad I can guarantee that Haenuli will definitely have a skirt for this series.
>meanwhile real brand...

>>9799492
You make offers when you want to go lower than the starting bid, not when you don't have the patience to bid against someone else

>>9799501
I imagine leaving your blouse unbuttoned under a JSK looks frumpy too

>>9799482
You realize fat anon started it by complaining thin and busty anon wasn't. Keeping thinking we're all unhappy with ourselves when really we're just disgusted by you.

>>9799494
you won't get Haenuli cheaper secondhand.
you'll have to wait years and years for it to move away from retail price. If it doesn't sell out (which it most def will) you might be able to get it on sale in the Storenvy towards the end of the year.

I bought, and then sold, the starlight op because it was too big for my bust but the quality was actually quite nice.
soft, lined, with a vibrant print.

I don't think the accessories are really worth it, with the exception of the stained glass headwear. but the dresses are great.
Just one bite and the Hunchback series were prime designs and looked like wonderful quality.

the curved lines on >>9799195 and the jsk bodice are really flattering.

>>9799247
I’m planning on sketching out net idol costumes for people, which guarantees that a lot of my commisions would be weebs. But hey, a lot of weebs are willing to pay for simple sketches of their character in a gothic maid ensemble or a fluffy traditional Japanese style costume.

>>9799501
that's nice, for lolitas with less than a 105cm bust.
the bust are would not cover my actual bust.

also, not everyone does the unbuttoned hack. it doesn't work for everyone.

>>9799335
I couldn't care less about her using SM theme, a lot of people make a lot of stuff with SM. If only she didn't start that drama about copying her artwork for tats before.

>>9799422
How does this not fit 2010 sweet? It fits 135cm waist

>>9799508
those posts are not even by the same anon, obviously.
think critically about any intense feelings you have. you'll find that you only invest that much passion in things that involve you (your self-image, fears, ideologies/opinions of your mentors etc.)

>>9799519
Nayrt but this is pretty old school in terms of design and materials; 2010 sweet features a lot of tulle lace and details that are more modern in comparison.

>>9799515
If your bust is bigger than that you also don't fit their JSKs

>>9799523
>tulle lace
Ew

>>9799520
>those posts are not even by the same anon, obviously.
Same goes for those calling you out.

>>9799519
nayrt but that beautiful torchon lace would not work
2010 sweet is a whole lot of tulle lace or embroidered cotton eyelet lace, if there's any lace on the main at all.

>>9799519
>135cm waist
How come fatties don't support this brand?

>>9799524
pfffbbttt keep thinking that anon
I have mains by Baby, VM, AP, and Meta (naturally)

>>9799528
And that's not even their biggest size

>>9799528
what makes you think we don't? the larger stuff is by their Lovely line. they make average sizes under the main lolita line, MaM
noobs and casuals want trendy AP or Taobao/bodyline

Maxicimam is doing well afaik.

>>9799529
What do you have from VM?

>>9799532
Well they haven’t heard of it, so obviously it’s news to everyone

>>9799532
>noobs and casuals want trendy AP

Fatties are delusional to think their whale brand is better than AP

>>9799536
I'm not into sweet, but from what I've seen in my comm, prints are the only thing APfags care about. People are constantly afraid to put it in their washing machine, their lace is shitty.. When someone asked about AP in the previous thread, the only convincing argument people could come up with was: pockets. As if you don't use bags.

>>9799534
a gorgeous longsleeved OP

>>9799541
Which one so I can look up if it fits me

>>9799511
Seconding this anon that you won't get Haenuli 2ndhand for cheaper. I have very rarely ever seen their releases go for sale 2ndhand cheaper than retail, regardless of cut or colorway. This is the first time I'm considering buying one of their dresses for this exact reason. I've always adored their designs and waited patiently for dresses to drop in price but it just doesn't happen. Navy JSK come home to mama.

>tw when I was typing and my keyboard bugged out so retail became reeeeeetail

>>9799540
Your comms attitude is not indicative of the entirety of people who like AP. Keep being delusional and fat and try to twist things to fit your fat fuck perspective.

>>9799546
>tw

>>>/tumblr/

>>9799540
sounds like sour grapes to me

>>9799357
If you have the physical copy you can use the google translate app

>>9799548
As I said, my keybord is bugging out, I obviously meant to type tfw you absolute walnut

>>9799549
So you think there's another reason to buy AP besides the prints and pockets? What is it? The biggish sizing?

>>9799552
Is making sure you don't have any typos really that hard?

>>9799556
Is making the leap of logic from tw to tfw really that hard?

>>9799555
Their non print pieces are really well constructed IMO and despite their prints being more popular they never fail to add in small details that really make their solids and other non prints really stand out to me.

But the problem is ofc prints are going to be more popular and by extension have more photos taken of them so people aren't as exposed to the lovely little details AP puts into their non prints.

>>9799557
It's about as hard as you learning to type properly apparently

>>9799558
stand out compared to what? taobao?

>>9799551
If the scan is high quality,you can use the app too

Anyone else see Ken trying to shill his stuff on lolita sales lmao

is this guy an idiot

>>9799561
Baby. I prefer APs non prints to baby's non prints for this reason, but I'm tied when it comes to prints from the two brands. Construction with AP also feels a lot sturdier IMO. From the pieces I have, baby likes to skip out on lining the bodice and the buttons are always a hassle and I have to resew them back on for fear of them falling off where I've only had to resew one AP blouses buttons.

>>9799519
ayrt here,does it come in normal people sizing? That one is cute,but if it really does fit 135cm waist,it's going to look like a potato sack on me (73cm waist,not exactly thin,but I can fit almost all partially shirred pieces)

>>9799560
So we're both equally stupid then, glad we cleared that up

>>9799571
Nah pretty sure you edge me out on the stupidity scale seeing as you failed to type out three letters correctly.

>>9799572
Your lack of basic problem solving is more stupid to me than a keyboard bugging out but that's okay tell yourself whatever you need to feel better

>>9799544
if your bust is less than 120cm you can fit some of their sack OPs that are meant to be cinched with waist sash

>>9799555
okay, I'm not an AP fanatic, but the thoroughness of their detailing in the past has been wonderful. I def think they're not making the most interesting pieces. AATP has the most amazing portfolio. Meta is also incredible creative. Meta beats everyone in their detachable/adjustable pieces, which makes coording super fun. Atelier Pierrot has by far the best fabrics and lining.

I can't pick a fav brand. there are amazing things to each one that you won't get from others. I understand why someone would be an APstan in the past, but these days I'd encourage people to feel pieces from other brands.

There are amazing Japanese indie brands we never talk about. Like Rosina Blue, for the plus crowd! If you really love the fashion you gotta at least see what everyone has to offer.

>>9799575
Uh oh, looks like you got triggered despite your warning. Better go back to >>>/tumblr/.

>>9799567
how hard is it to visit the website, anon?
>http://www.maxicimam.com/?tid=5&mode=f10

>>9799577
Make me :^)

>>9799566
I'm the opposite. I prefer the lace and construction of Baby. I actually prefer the bodice unlined though, so I can wear it in summer.

>>9799582
I take it you've never taken sewing classes or anything of the sort?

>>9799583
diff anon, but wtf does this have to do with anything?
Baby has very good construction. I've never received something from them with loose threads. the woven broadcloth they use for a lot of the printless stuff is amazing.
I had a bigass golden retriever fail to stop jumping on me last fall and if I wasn't wearing Baby, his claws would have wrecked the fabric.
luckily, my jsk endured not one scratch or tear.

this shouldn't be a big fight about which brand is better. the tops have all had hits, and all had misses. you're usually getting good, thoughtful quality if you're supporting brand

>>9799567
Maxicimam Lovely is their plus-size label. Maxicimam MAM releases similar blouses in normal sizing

>>9799576
VM has long-sleeved sack OPs?

>>9799541
Do you mean their frill blouse over-dress?

>>9799588
Maybe take a few deep breaths, this isn't a "big fight." Baby's construction is alright, but you often run into problems with their boning and unlined bodices are generally something you are taught to avoid when making something like a lolita JSK if you take actual sewing classes. I've had loose threads and buttons with baby items as well. I'm not shitting on them by any means, they made my DD, but their construction is worse than AP in general.

>>9799593
I understand you may be confused because of deleted posts, but thist started because some anon started fighting people who don't prefer AP

>>9799595
I was here for the deleted posts. If you scroll up, you can see how the conversation changed from needless shitposting to actual discussion. Follow along.

>>9799593
>their construction is worse than AP in general.
It really isn't tough. They don't use boning often and some people prefer unlined bodices.

>>9799593
I have taken sewing classes and I'm pretty sceptical about your story, unless you've taken lolita-specific classes in which case I'd like to know where.

what's wrong with liking prints

>>9799590
>Do you mean their frill blouse over-dress?
no. it's an actual OP. quite heavy, very lined.

>>9799599
It's fine if they meet up to your expectations and standards, you can think they have great construction. But as someone who went to school for this I disagree.

>>9799602
Were you not taught to line your work if you want it to hold up? Where did you go to school?

>>9799603
Absolutely nothing, it's a perfectly good reason to love AP

>>9799603
nothing darling

>>9799604
the elusive long-sleeved victorian maiden OP that fits a 105cm bust. why you keeping the name to yourself?

>>9799605
probably a normie place where people do not want lining because of the weather

>>9799590
Yeah,I just looked at their website and their minimum measurements are over mine. I'll stick to baby and ap, I guess

>>9799605
my old ass embroidery jsks have certainly stood the test of time.
lolita is a peculiar fashion though, that regular has blouses paired with mains, so you don't have to worry about decay and degradation as much as with other types of clothing.

>>9799603
nothing, some fatty chan got upset they can't fit into AP prints and have to settle for MAM's ugly shit

>>9799615
The one who said the main reason to like AP is prints? Sounds like they think prints is a valid reason to like AP.

>>9799610
sorry my dear. I've worked my ass off to sniff out these tit-friendly pieces and I'm feeling a little withholding today. maybe I'll make a secret for you.

If you can't spot them though you're probably not ready for 'em. honestly. 105 is not hard to find pieces for. especially when a good minimizer can get you to 98-100cm

>>9799617
This is super cringey

>>9799615
>MAM's ugly shit
shut your whore mouth

Mam is the only brand consistently putting out beautiful, sturdy cotton lace. but I guess I'm biased as an old school-chan

>>9799605
>as someone who went to school for this
>went to school specifically for making lolita jsks
kek nice1

>>9799617
But you are over 105cm and don't fit 105cm blouses, so I don't know why minimizers would help you with those OPs and JSKs

>>9799618
you're welcome

>>9799617
man fatties really do think highly of themselves these days, jesus christ. imagine being this proud about finding one dress you can barely squeeze yourself into.

>>9799621
Where did I say that? I thought that anyone with half a brain could glean that I meant fashion in general.

>>9799622
...you're confused. I don't need a minimizer for my main pieces. blouses are hard to come by, definitely.
I am 120cm in the bust. the minimizer tidbit was to encourage you. there's way more out there for 100-105 than up at my end. be optimistic. put the work in to find them.
how long have you been in the fashion?

>>9799610
That's alright anon I gotchu. I don't know if it's the same dress that >>9799617 is referring to but this particular VM OP they released supposedly goes up to 120 in the bust. Not sure if that's accurate but I did see a fattychan wear it and her bust was definitely past 105 at least.

>>9799625
I'm a pretty happy camper desu
but I'm also an hourglass which helps a bit.
If I was an apple it'd be a bit tougher. Pear is the dream

>>9799629
Thank you!

>>9799629
pic of fattychan coord?

>>9799631
No problem. Every brand has plus size friendly items and it's stupid to keep it to yourself lol.
>>9799637
Uhhh I would post it if knew who she was but I didn't save it because it was from ages ago. If I can dig it up I'll post it

>>9799625
Imagine being so privilaged that other peoples struggles just fly over your head like this

>>9799642
Being fat is a self inflicted problem and shouldn't be pitied.

>>9799642
>struggles
Like how you must struggle to move and breathe because you can't put down the cookies and go for a run once in a while?

>>9799383
Me neither. I like the Snow White and lace overlay pieces but those seem to have been flukes because the rest of what they produce is ugly as sin.

>>9799682
diff anon, but I grew up in an extremely abusive home and suffer from depression and anxiety. I have like a decade of sadnesschub on me. That's just me though. some people are happy and chubby because they love food and their main hobbies aren't very active.

life's a journey. we're all going to die one day. just be happy and enjoy your clothes!! you never know what people are dealing with, if they're dealing with anything at all, so don't be so quick to bite them.

>>9799699
There are plenty of people who go through worse who manage not to be fat. Keep making excuses.

>>9799699
gulls should all be luvlies like you uwu

>>9799699
Maybe the people trolling and derailing this thread had a hard childhood too.

>>9799615
>fatty chan can't fit into AP
But AP is a fatty brand?

>>9799699
Just throwing this out there - Everyone has their own circumstances and struggles, and mental illnesses are pretty common too, that doesn't mean these circumstances control your life. You control your life, and if you decide to succumb to your depression and anxiety even though your chubbiness makes you feel bad then that's your decision.
>t. anon who suffers from a plethora of issues but still finds the time and energy to exercise for that sweet brand-appropriate figure

>>9799629
>>9799610
the lacey op is gorgeous and def goes to 120 in the bust.
Sorry I was being a jerk about spoonfeeding, anon. I have pic related in green and it's wonderful.

there's a lot on my wishlist by VM.
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-royal-frill-long-op is also gorgeous and can fit up to 115cm

>>9799711
AP is for fatties and MAM is for land whales

>>9799617
You sound insufferable. I feel bad for the girls in your local comm.

>>9799197
Ah I really love the colors, too bad I don’t give a shit about SM

>>9799713
depression attacks self-preservation, anon. it's a counterproductive illness. you'd get it if you were in my situation, and even more so if you suffered with the level of depression that I've been working my way out of.

my chubbiness also doesn't make me feel bad. I got chubbier from being sad. I actually like most of my chub. I am only looking to lose 25 or so more pounds to be at my desired weight. The chub I had in high school was perfect for me.

I never, ever want to be smol. chub looks good on me and I personally like the way it feels. as long as I'm in my healthy range for my height I'll be okay. That's what I'm working back towards.

It's not my decision to be wracked by trauma, anon. you can't sit from afar and try and simplify my life for me. healing doesn't happen overnight. I'm doing way better than 2 years ago, thanks go to me, but mostly God, and also to my BFF for sideline support. certainly no thanks are due to any of my fellow gulls, so...

I think the people who prefer only slim and slender are super vocal on here, but average and overweight aren't bad. chubby can be quite lovely too. that's my choice.

>>9799735
Nobody cares

>>9799735
Yes please tell me more about depression because you are clearly the one and only person on this earth who has it.
Please, anon, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
If you like your chub, fine, again that's your decision, but sitting here throwing a pity party for yourself and derailing the thread with your bullshit as if you're the only person with issues only makes you look more pathetic, regardless of how happy you are with your weight.

Now that there's no TPC event this year it feels like smaller stuff is popping up everywhere in Europe. I'm pretty sure I've already seen two or three lolita tea parties or fashion shows announced. Anyone going to any of them? I've never been to a non-UK event and I don't know what to expect.

>>9799627
>unlined bodices are generally something you are taught to avoid when making something like a lolita JSK if you take actual sewing classes
guess you're just a retard who can't read what they wrote then

>>9799563
Is that the 'dropping wet' guy?

>>9799485
Generally speaking, most people here have learned what numbers typically look skinny, what numbers fit into which brands, and which numbers correlate with fat or skinny with which heights. In CM for all widths and a mix for height and weight, with imperial usually winning in the weight category oddly enough.

Measurement plays a crucial factor in lolita because while almost all brand is “one size” with some exceptions on a given release, the fit of that one size can vary wildly. Conversly normal fashion is where a M shirt will fit like another M will, the exception being of course pant sizes which vary from store to store (but ultimately for women are still not sized by measurement but by an arbitrary number). So, your body size doesn’t mean as much as your clothing size values, especially when you can try everything on.

Back to lolita, numbers are critical. Nobody wants a ¥30,000+ item that won’t fit! This makes sense. The problem is when we use these values to communicate our sizing, and some of us perceive this differently than others. Lolitas here tend to become myopically fixed on the meaning of a certain value without considering its meaning as a greater whole. 60cm waist is fine for a short girl, less so if you’re tickling 6 foot. When someone defends their numbers as “not fat” etc, they’re just chumming the waters.

Tl;dr numbers are part of “fatty” culture but they’re important

>>9799738
no pity party, just facts.
depression has levels and variances. never once did I say you had zero experience with the illness. only want to point out that you and I have very different issues and circumstances. you trying to compare with *I deal with x but I still yaddayadda* is silly.

my response initially had nothing to do with you, it was for >>9799682 so I don't know what you're getting so cranky about.

>new IW label unveiled tomorrow

who here /hypeforsolids/

>>9799766
I AM SO FUCKING READY

>>9799752
>tells people they can't read
>can't read that and understand what it means

I already spelled it out for you above, not sure what you want at this point.

>>9799753
yeah, the 'rick your pushy' guy.

>>9799777
>cry about people not understanding you and how they're sooo stupid
>don't realize what your own statement literally says
it's okay to be retarded anon, we'll forgive you.

>>9799785
My heavenly trips indicate I'm in the right here and that you need to learn to read.

>>9799786
>haha m-muh trips!!!
well at least you know you're retarded.

>>9799428
oh god no

>>9799788
>being this ignorant of the website you're on

Yikes. cant even take a joke.

>>9799791
>i was only pretending to be retarded!! issa joke!!!
nice1

>>9799794
You must be pretty new not to know the whole glorification of trips thing.

>>9799766
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH I'm SOOOO HYPEDD!
/sage for venting

>>9799788
lurk moar newfag

Cgl has been even more bait-y recently, somehow. All generals seem to have this overarching theme of 'reeeeeeeee fat ppl' going on. I'm bored of it.
I genuinely couldn't care less about this topic, it's so dull. Let's get some actual lolita content here rather than just 'hurr ap is for fatties' 'hurr triggered anachan/landwhale'.

Anyway, what's your favorite place to buy socks and legwear? My wardrobe is super lacking, so I need some recommendations or else I'll be wearing the same socks again and again. Preferably looking for offbrand options, since I'm looking to buy a lot.

>>9799820
Are you ok with secondhand? I usually buy plain socks directly from brands and printed socks from fril or mercari.

>>9799825
I don't really mind second hand, as long as they're not obviously gross. I'll wash them anyway.
I suppose I'm looking for shops that sell new socks/tights that I haven't found yet. I like stuff that can go with a few dresses, I've realized most of my legwear can only go with one or two of my dresses. Not versatile at all.

>>9799828
How can we give recommendations without knowing what style you wear? I just buy secondhand or new, so if you're looking for offbrand, I don't know what to tell you.

>>9799790
why not.
I wouldn't, but why wouldn't you?

>>9799820
same. this is why I get so annoyed.
I just don't fucking care and they keep discussing it like it's the most interesting shit in the world. It's not, guys, it's incredibly petty. You're accusing people of being fat in the same way you'd accuse someone of murder.

>inb4 being fat is murder xdddd

>>9799820
KOMACHI 2266531 Dark Lolita

>>9799796
>>9799805
>samefags because no one thought your le epik memez were funny XDDD
nice1

Sydney comm is fucked, they dropped an admin and can’t deal with the fallout for shit.

>>9799879
Pt. 2 of mod excuses.

>>9799879
It's obvious that the mods are corrupt because they got rid of the one who was the most active and had actually cared about the comm.

>>9799881
>>9799879
what were the 'mental health' issues?

>>9799836
I wear all styles aside from old school, really. But I have enough gothic legwear since I usually get black patterned tights from places like Calzedonia. If you have recommendations for new places then I'm fine with that too.

>>9799879
Take it to the comm thread newfag

>>9799854
born to die
world is a fuck
KOMACHI 1989
2266531 Dark lolitas

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but does anyone know the name of the skirt Misako’s wearing? It has the penguins from Mary Poppins on it and I have a mighty need. It also has JM on it, so I think it’s Jane Marple?

>>9799788
Checked. Praise Him, heathen.

>>9799358
The print is fantastic. It is on shitty polyester like other anon said. For me, it's more the fact their polyester is so thin and I don't think it's brand par at all. Above taobao and good for indie, though. I have jacquard and chiffon pieced from her that's really nice, so go for alternate materials when possible.

>>9799877
stop shitposting newfag

>>9799877
>samefagging

You poor thing. So new you don't realize the glory of trips and that many people will speak up for said glory.

>>9799877
>Getting this triggered over some stupid anons post
Kinda sad senpai

>>9799820
The bait is fucking awful. Ya'll wanna rant about ana chans and fatties, then go to cow.

I just go for taobao, honestly. There's no such thing as really "brand quality" tights. I miss the days of thicker socks and I feel like legwear has taken quite a dive in quality since the later old school era.

>>9799699
>depression and anxiety
i've been through a rough abusive relationship, i have depression and anxiety yet i'm still a skinny stick. anon stop making excuses and get your shit together.

>>9799960
>>9799958
>>9799955
>>9799913
>getting this upset over being called out for samefagging
nice1

>>9799972
Yo, this isn't one person samefagging and you sort of look actually insane to everyone who knows it.

>>9799974
>y-you look insane!!!
ah the smell of a samefag

>>9799501
most brand blouses button easily over my whole torso but don't fit my arms/shoulders

guess i'll die

>>9799976
I hope you get help some day.

>>9799392
>>9799481
I had this same thing happen to me this week, i wonder if it's one girl going around and doing it

>>9799978
kek, this is the same argument every anon (or possible the same anon every time) uses whenever they get called out for samefagging. at least switch it up a little

>>9799984
Anon, you do know this is a sign of an actual mental illness, thinking everyone is the same person out to get you right? If this isn't the first time you've ran into this situation, wouldn't you take a step back and reevaluate what you're doing?

>>9799501
Baby often lies about what measurements their blouses can fit in my experience.
Leaving your blouse unbuttoned tends to not look good though as >>9799507 says.

>>9799988
People who are crazy can't see they're crazy.

>>9799511
I was all ready to argue and then I realized this post said "won't"

Can confirm, sold 2 pieces years after their release for more than original price. They were XLs, but I know someone who's had the same experience with the Ss, so I don't think size is even the issue.

>>9799988
sure anon, everyone is insane except you right?
don't worry, your habit of projecting your insecurities will pass

>>9799883
I think thats something private and shouldn't be aired out, but it wasn't hurting anyone else.

>>9799971
nayrt but people deal with depression and anxiety differently asshole. this isn't a competition. there are people with 'great' lives who get depression and still kill themselves everyday. nobody is thinking right when they have depression. I know it's trendy to be an unsympathetic sociopath on the internet but fucking hell man.

>>9800026
fair enough. i realized how fucked up of a question it was after I asked. but if the woman was being blatantly self-destructive that's another thing.

I hate the elitists in my local com. like who tf cares if I wear replicas... and it's not even like they're bad replicas. you can't even tell that they're not legit unless you look really close. I'm gonna start my own coms and not invite those bitches. do any of you seagulls have girls like that in you coms?

>>9800030
Gr8 b8 m8

>>9800030
i'll take the bait simply because I want to say this and there are people who actually think like this:

replicas are art theft. nobody cares how good you look in them. I personally couldn't give a fuck. but if they think it's art theft and it's wrong, they have a right to dislike that.

>>9799988
>The same "You're insane get help".
>The same "You didn't laugh at my joke so i'm gong to explain it because you clearly didn't understand it".
>The same overly defensive "I'm not samefagging!"
No wonder reading this thread gave me Deja Vu, this same chain was in the Lolita General a few months ago.

>>9800034
>caring this much about random shitposting

Why are you this invested in it that you look it up in the archives? report it and move on if you have a problem with it.

>>9800039
>Why are you this invested in it that you look it up in the archives?
Because the sense of Deja Vu was bothering me. Why are you so upset that it’s being pointed out?

>>9800030
>campbell's soup
pls stop trying to be relevant
go bait some cosplayers, this side of the board doesn't give a shit

>>9800041
Because I'm sick of the general getting devolved into nothing but shitposting and you are continuing it unnecessarily.

>>9800033
I like the art and want to experience it like any other person, but I'm not spending $400 for a jumperskirt.Besides I'm the one creating the "art" by wearing it not some kid in a chinese factory.

>>9800045
your bait sucks and I said what I wanted to say. move on.

>>9800049
and I said what I wanted to say :) hopefully people will discard your elitist opinions and replitas won't be ashamed to wear their dream dress <3

I would unironically buy and wear this dress.

>>9800052
soup pls go and stay go you absolute fucking tard
now everyone can stop replying to this nonce

>>9800044
Well you're doing the same thing, aren't you?

>>9800053
Why is this a print dress? The cowards

god campbell is so fucking terrible at this.
all you had to do was talk about how fat you are and everyone would have taken the bait

BUT YOU COULDN'T EVEN DO THAT, COULD YOU?

>>9800053
I'd buy it if the price point was more along the lines of Castle Mirage's fancy OP.

>>9800055
No? How is encouraging people to stop shitposting the same as going on and on about samefagging arguments?

>>9800001
shitposting on /cgl/ is not a healthy way to take out your anger, anon. seek help

>>9800056
Well this and wonder patisserie are actually the most palatable one for most lolitas in the whole collection imo. brilliant jewelry pic related is a printless dress in the collection.

>>9800064
Inb4 she thinks we're both just one person out to get her

>>9800067
it's because she's crazy

>>9800068
clearly.

>>9800069
>>9800068
>exactly 1 min apart replies
>haha we're not samefagging
how many times are you going to use this argument? anon even screencapped it

i think this is the fastest i've ever seen a general sage thanks to terrible bait and arguing over who's samefagging, gj gulls

>>9800072
>anon even screencapped it
>implying that wasn't you
Nice samefag

>>9800072
Get. Help.

>>9800074
>>9800077
posting from your cellphone and laptop isn't fooling anyone. you know your strange defensiveness is just damning yourself right?

finally it's almost fucking over. pray to mana for a better general next timed

>>9800078
You just keep looking more and more like you belong in the nuthouse.

>>9800063
Because replying at all about shitposting is also contributing to shitposting. Either way, you're off-topic and derailing the thread.

>>9800078
whatever helps you sleep at night, mentally ill-chan

>>9800084
>telling people to stop shitposting is shitposting

Sure, whatever makes you feel better.

>>9800086
I honestly feel really bad for her at this point, because it's clear it's not a joke that she's got something wrong with her. She said this isn't the first time she's been called insane for calling people samefags too. Imagine being this level of twisted.

>>9800087
It... is though? You're taking up replies, making the thread sage faster, and it's not lolita related. You can sit on your high horse, but you're still shitposting.

>>9800090
>telling people to sage and report is now on the same level as whatever bullshit over fatties that went on earlier and people crying for an inordinate amount of posts about samefags/mental illness

Alright. Again, if it makes you feel better.

>>9800089
>>9800086
>>9800080
you must be really insecure about your own mental health if you have to project this hard. it's actually a little sad

>>9800095
Yea it is, because it achieves the same effect, i.e. wasting replies and derailing the thread. If you really wanted to stay on topic, you'd just ignore the shitposts and talk about lolita.

>>9800096
take your meds nonnie. they won't hurt you

>>9800099
I really hope you aren't serious but I have a sinking feeling you are.

>>9800101
you too sweetie, no hiding them under your tongue this time!

>>9800029
literally just watching the sydney mods dig a deeper and deeper hole for themselves. like i dont know all the specifics of what led them to oust the other mod but the way they went about it and are handling it is so shit. my popcorn machine is overheating

>>9800103
is that what you do? yikes

>>9800102
Well if you can't see the negative effect of your own posts, there's not much I can say. Some people are too blind to see their own mistakes, I suppose. Try to picture if this discussion had taken place in a non-saging thread. It would cause just as much derailing as any of the previous topics you mentioned.

>>9800108
aww, feigning innocence won't help you! make sure to swallow them down okay? it's for your own good!

I RATHER BE FIT IN A REPLICA THAN FAT IN BRANDO.

>>9799963
What? How? The old socks seem the same thickness, just a lot shorter. I'll take the newer ones any day as I can actually get otks over my knee, unlike the older pairs. Unless you're referring to the new nylon type which are more fragile, but have a lot more stretch and printed designs. I do prefer the knit designs though because I put holes in all socks/tights at the toe and they are thicker.

>>9799881

>>9799605
Unless you own a successful lolita brand, no one cares about your "background" let alone your opinion, Entitled Anon.

(Are you that chick who did The Doll House?)

>>9799424

nayrt, I kind of got what they're saying, though. Like the people who can't get brand for whatever reason (whether it's being fat, poor, "doesn't do secondhand", or plain too stupid to figure out how), then they want to find some reason to assure themselves that their second best alternative is just as legit and just as lolita as real brand. So then they go overboard praising how their second choice actually worked out much better than buying what they really coveted in the first place, which then filters down to the rest of us as bragging about their taobao quality, when in fact they're really trying to convince themselves that whatever subpar indie brand they have is "just as good" as the brand that they wanted but couldn't buy.

I think that's what anon is trying to say anyhow. I don't think she means taobao specifically, a lot of non-taobao indie has just as much of a gap with brand quality.

>>9799205
since when did Sailor Moon own the copyright for cute compacts anyway?

>>9800179
you clearly don't know this but Haenuli is on par with brand price-wise
so if you can buy Nunu's creations, you can certainly buy direct from brand.

other anon is just new & ignorant and doesn't deserve your defense.

>>9800214

That's why I'm saying, it's not about Haenuli or taobao.

Only that people overhype their second choices because they needed to convince themselves, not other people. Second choice could equally have been Lief or RPA instead of taobao or Haenuli, we're not short on brands that are not the main brands.

>>9799523
>>9799525

I just really wanted to chime in that AP is the one that uses tulle lace for 2010 sweet, Baby was still using cotton lace throughout 2010, they don't switch to non-natural fibres until the artloli trend, which is after the 2010 pastel sweet trend.

But then I remembered that aside from the one time Baby flirted with making 3 sizes their clothes are generally really small anyway, so any anons needing a 135cm waist on a blouse wouldn't be able to wear 2010s era Baby sweet.

So, polite sage and carry on, I suppose.

>>9800137
Wow, red admin is crazy.

>I conducted myself fine
>Can't handle criticism and loses it
>I'm out. This is fucked, you're fucked, everything's fucked

No big loss for the Syd Com

>>9799502
Haenuli does a skirt for every series. That's nothing new...

>>9799717
I know "AP is fatty brand" is a joke but I feel superior lolita when I buy AP's unshirred OPs (not talking about sack dresses) and I can show everyone how skinny I am.

>>9799502

Not really surprising. Most indie brands use digital print-on-demand technology, which has no investment in stencils/dies and not much overheads. Brands use a different printing process where the cost of each dress is cheap, but the overhead costs for the stencil/die are a killer. So indies can easily run off an extra one or two skirts, or even custom make just the one skirt if only one person orders it. Brand can't really turn a profit unless they have some minimum number of orders, so if skirts are unpopular, it's better not to make them if they can't meet the minimum order quantity.

You can see the downside of using digital print-on-demand, though. That stuff commonly works better on polyester, and there's already a few comments here talking about Haenuli's dresses that were made on cheaper polyester.

>>9800250
Baby still uses cotton lace most of the time

>>9800427
I assure you nobody cares.

>>9800427
AP's unshirred OP's usually still have a >70cm waist so "skinny" might not be the right word. Normal, maybe?

>>9800528

"Switch" was probably the wrong word. "started also using" tulle lace for artloli releases would be more accurate.

I still prefer cotton lace. Although I have to admit when Baby uses tulle lace and plastic polyester ribbons, they do make it look good.

>>9800427
Brag when you fit their older skirts.

>>9799883
one girl said she cut herself because of the stress from the rin rin meet

>>9799977
mte, I'm just tall with long arms and not built like a 10 year old.