/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9776533
as a dude, i stopped following cosplay girls, because i could get accused of rape.

>>9776533
the betas are finding cheaper thots. Supply and demand. They flooded the market with tits and ass and now they are a dime a dozen.

If Nigri is so worried, she should have saved instead of blowing all the money she earned on stupid shit. Your money management skills have to be piss poor to if you are making how much a month in patreon and other sales and you are worried out your "reach"?

stfu, you hit the dreaded kryptonite of all thots. age.

>>9776533

facebook changed the algorithms, if you want to reach people interested in cosplay who aren't already following you, you have to pay. if you want to follow people who do follow you, you have to pay. the instagram algorithm also changed recently. it's all going $ for views. you may see more non thots going to patreon just because it's the only feed still showing in post order

>>9776589
Her father made her invest her money last I heard. She’s pushing 30, reached as far as she could. She needs to accept that people move on to the next younger piece of ass they find. Only thing about her is she provides nothing back to the community like yaya did. I dislike both of them, but at least yaya made the sewing patterns to help the community. All Jessica did was provide her tits in photos for wank material.

>>9776781

Yaya also pushed that line of cosplay fabrics, which surprisingly are pretty nice quality.

>>9776605
As someone who does social media marketing as a job, this is the simple answer.

Facebook constantly changes it's algorithms, and recently did so that businesses/pages have less reach.

Instagram is apart of Facebook and it's algorithms have already been fucked up, so it's only a matter of time before it gets worse.

>>9776533
How they can stay relevant is by making the crossover to porn. They make a decent buck and everyone blows a load for it. Win - win

I guess I have so low of a reach that it hasn't really affected me. heh.
It feels like a lot of us smaller creators have no opportunities though. I wish I could find more out there about how to use social media to get my content out there, but the more and more they fuck with these algorithms the more futile it is for me to even try anymore.
>I actually try to take good photos with costumes and stuff in the right settings
>People who have never taken photos from the neck down have more followers than me
I've been on most of these basic platforms for awhile and I can't get a break.
>inb4 ur probably a hag
Eh.
Teach me how to social media anons.

>>9776895
I can’t wear her pleathers and stretchy materials. Something about them makes my skin rash out. But I do like their quality none the less. I rather buy the patterns and buy fabric I know I’m not going to have a reaction to ( and costs soo much less).

>>9776533
Is this a legitimate article? lmao get fucked Nigri. I think this will unintentionally purge a lot of the patreon whores.

>>9776533
The only good thing to come out of the influx of costhots.

>>9776533
>how are you managing it
Well I actually got over the wanting to grow my social media pages. Once I get a job in my field I'm gonna delete all my cosplay pages and I cannot wait

>>9777010
I've noticed that business insider sometimes just puts out total drivel. One such example I saw recently was about discount chain Ross. The article was this: Wall Street likes Ross. We went to a Ross and there were clothes strewn about. Here's a bunch of photos. THAT WAS IT.

This has cut my reach pretty bad, but I think it’ll be better for me in the long run. Admittedly I focused a lot on numbers and it led to cosplay feeling a little dry, so I’m hoping to just get back into the swing of enjoying it.

Do you guys think that the social media algorithms will get worse/better ? Is anyone having a hard time getting followers?
YouTube suffered a similar fate with it screwing over its users

Shit is worse when you're not only a cosplayer but also an artist and trying to gain a following

>>9777050
social media companies are about one thing: making money. they aren't doing it for the good of humanity. everyone's trying to monetize it somehow be it via data mining and selling that info to companies, outright charging you for exposure, ads, or otherwise. it starts as a cool idea but eventually bills have to be paid. even 4chan went through that phase as anyone who saw 4chan go down repeatedly and the donate or die campaigns can remember.

>>9776951
Pssst you're supposed to wash those fabrics

>>9777060
I do, it’s just something in her fabric that I’m allergic to. I know how to handle fabric. I’m just allergic to some. Excuse me for having skin issues.

I actually got a much higher reach than I did half a year ago. But i did up my cosplay game in the last half year so I guess I could contribute it to that.
It's kinda weird because my page is listed as a business (fucking can't change page type anymore). But almost all of my posts get about 10% of my page likes in likes and I get about 50% and up in reach/page likes currently.

>>9777156
>my page is listed as a business
You're smart!

>Noob see cosplay: "Hmm... hobby... what an amateur."
>Noob see cosplay: "Hmm... business... wow, she's so professional."

>>9776589

This and it's interesting how she clings on to younger female cosplay thots, acting like their 'cosmom' and praising their work, seems like a case of trying to keep relevant in the scene before it's too late? She's getting older, doesn't really contribute anything to cosplay as a whole and no longer flavor of the month, like mentioned, age is one way to nuke a career.

>>9777162
I do list my etsy products on my page now since you can publish products on facebook. So I guess i'm like whatever. Just thought that the algorithms would hit 'business' pages harder. And I'm getting so sick of the buttons everywhere to buy ads.

>>9777114
You should get an allergy test done. I kept getting rashes from some material and did an allergy test. I found out I was allergic to a certain type of formaldehyde. Makes it easier to avoid that stuff

yo thots you should get into twitch, instagram is so 2015

>>9777284
>hall of bbc
christ, that's embarrassing

The replies to this thread is proof that 95% of cgl doesnt do anything cosplay related. If you did you’d be bummed at how FB and IG have cut organic reach so you have to pay for your own fans to see your posts. Cosplayers and crafters are getting screwed but of course most of cgl are just bitter fatties that don’t contribte shit to cosplay but still want to cry and whine about people like nigiri.

>>9776781
She lived with her parents until about a year and a half ago (i think her boyfriend lived there too) before buying a big-ass house. Even then investing her money is probably a good idea given how she was making $120,000 or so annually from Patreon alone

I stopped using my cosplay social media because the reach turned to shit. It was 15-25% of all my followers at BEST. I was stressed out about it at first but then learned to live with it, after all they're just numbers. It's still disappointing though.

>>9777305
You don't have to have fans to be a cosplayer.

You sound like a faggot.

>>9776948
Link your main social media account and I will pm you from my private account telling you what you can do better. I dont promote my stuff cause I dont want to be well known, but I know how to market other people, products, and events.

>>9777326
Wrong. For most people showcasing what you make is a great motivation to keep improving and keep making cool things.

Germia made a blogpost about how to deal with social media, maybe an interesting read for those that feel like they are on a downspiral. http://aimreg.blogspot.nl/2018/01/what-are-you-doing-wrong-with-your.html

>>9777381
>Most people

Most people cosplaying aren't concerned with follower metrics, expanding reach, or turning views into profitablity. That blog post is geared towards the small fraction of the community trying to turn a hobby into a career, and more power to them. But that isnt, and shouldn't be what drives the culture forward.

I just wanted to add my two cents on this because I have multiple Facebook accounts for various things, because fuck Facebooks feed algorithms and forcing me to see anything other than what I want.

>make a Facebook I call "Lolita Facebook"
>exists entirely for groups like Lolita Updates/Artist Alley, lolita businesses, small gaming news, niche gaming companies, some artists
>most of what I follow has under 5,000 likes keep in mind
>no friends, especially not people who know me
>get roughly 10 random lolitas who find me over the years, I'm assuming, from the Lolita Updates group
>let the randos friend me because it was rare
>only 3 "friends" post frequently anyway and I seldom see their posts
>this update now forces these 3 friends onto my feed all the time
>literally one person is the most chatty, she is about 40% of my feed
>have missed releases of small lolita brands and companies over this stupid change
>had to actually unfollow all 10 friends to get my feed back to whatever it looked like before

Make a fake facebook with a few active friends and try it out for yourself so you understand how bad it is if you have to. You have to see it with your own eyes to understand how worthless it'd be to fight. The idea that there's been like 90% drops is seriously what's going on. Don't start a Facebook cosplay page or small business page right now at all. They're just throttling anyone not a friend into the dirt.

>>9776605
>>9776904
Another social media marketer here. Basically, these posts are right, but neglect to mention the details:

>About a year ago, fb started giving noticeable preference to pages that buy ads on fb
>In exchange, unbeknownst to these pages, their organic growth rate declined. Forcing them to buy more ads
>Pages that just relied on organic growth (like many cosplay pages), although weren't being given the same preference as ads, didn't have their growth rates affected much by this
>Until recently
>It's hard to say exactly when this happened, but very recently (3 months ago tops) the organic growth rate of pages that don't buy ads have begun to get cut, too
>They're seeing the same organic growth cut that pages that buy ads saw when they stopped buying ads
>I can't say for sure, but it's likely that pages that have bought ads are therefore experiencing even more organic growth rate cuts

Basically, Facebook is trying to suffocate non-paying pages. I know a lot of meme pages like to say it's just because they're not businesses, but in reality, it's just because they're not paying for precious ad space. Facebook has arguably the highest reach potential of any digital marketing platform out there right now, so bigger businesses are willing (and able) to put more money into it, and it's starting to get competitive--which is bad news for pages that rely entirely on organic growth because that means you're getting that much less priority in having your posts get seen.
If you don't want to pay for Facebook advertising, my advice is just use Facebook as a photo dumping ground. Make sure the link to your social media platform of choice is posted everywhere, make sure your photos are nice and organized into convenient folders, and then leave it alone until you have more photos to dump. If you're serious about cosplay it's better to have a Facebook page than not (even if you don't use it), but I wouldn't advise making it your main platform.

>>9777225
I have. I noticed a lot of them have one of the same chemicals in latex that I was allergic too and some of them where washed in a sizing bath that consisted of nickel. So I just avoid her fabrics with stretch and buy another brand I know I won’t have a reaction with.

>>9777381
>>9777305
Only cosplayers trying to make it a career are worried about reach. Your limping all cosplayers into a cookie cutter that only fits a small fraction. If this where the case, there would be more and more stands about cosplayers photographs then art at conventions and less walking about the con. Not everyone goes to a convention to enter the competitions. Many , including my wife and myself, like to wear cosplays to find people of simulr intrests and to show or love of that franchise. We go in expecting nothing from other people and not demanding others attention. We get attention, it’s nice but not what we where aiming for. We just wanted to cosplay because we find it fun. Motivation to get better is “ I can’t wait to see what you do next year” and “ wow I like how you did this” by verbal recognition at the convention. The ammounts of likes we get by what ever platform we are on isn’t what motivates us to do more. It’s the reactions we get when we are around others.

>>9777305
here's your (you) anon, you earned it

>>9777537
See, I don't want to make it a career, but at least I'd like for my friends and family to see it without having to share it on my own page all the time.

And I absolutely refuse to invest money in something that I consider a hobby and already invest enough into materials and time. Why invest in something that will only make me invest more and more because FB and IG like to squeeze you as >>9777529 explains?

>>9777537

from another perspective, I like to follow a lot of cosplayers because they're high level crafters and seeing their progress and updates inspires me to work harder and get better. I hardly ever get to actually see these people on my feed even though I followed them. Instagram is better for following.

Are there any social media that could replace Facebook for cosplayers and lolitas? And I don’t mean for just those trying to make a career out of it, but actual social media platforms for people who want their geeky stuff to stay unrelated to the rest of their life. The Amino communities seemed promising, and I like that it’s a mainly mobile platform. But the emerging communities in these apps seem... fairly noobish.

>>9777537
>Only cosplayers trying to make it a career are worried about reach
Maybe you aren't, but I know tons of non-professional cosplayers who hate the algorithm changes and make a point of trying to improve their social media following. There is definitely something to be said about gaining encouragement from fans and showing off your work like >>9777381 said already.

There's some new "guides" out there about avoiding the new Instagram throttle that comes once your posts hit 10% of your followers. I've been trying them out for a few weeks and have noticed no difference. The only way I've been able to break 10% is by posting particularly good content that gains a lot of traction.

>>9780398
>Are there any social media that could replace Facebook for cosplayers and lolitas?

Cosspace remember that?

>>9777305
I mean you're probably right about 95% of cgl not doing anything cosplay related. Whole board has gone to shit since lolita and weeb fashion has become popular

People get too focused on algorithms when they should just put that effort into more quality content.

>>9777529
What sucks is because of our business, facebook won't let us purchase ads. Then, they cut any and all organic reach.

Fucking facebook.

>>9777284
I've probably donated about that much in total between several costhots/streamers

>>9776533
>using facebook or instagram over twitter

I exclusively use Twitter and Twitch and have been invited to five conventions in 2018 already (Blizzcon included) 100% all inclusive because of the relationship it builds with your audience. Plus, no shitty algorithms.

>>9783138
Facebook lets anybody purchase ads, it's just a matter of finding enough people who's interests/likes align with what you're selling.
Unless your business is something illegal, you should be fine to buy ads if you want to. It's just not a good idea to since it'll slash your reach. Facebook ads are a good short term solution if you just have say, one particular post you want to promote as long as you don't mind the fact that it'll cut the reach of other posts you make in the future.

Lewd "cosplay" killed cosplay on social media

>>9783328
Twitter is a very good platform to connect with the important companies, big companies are much more likely to engage with you there. And the reach is 10x better than facebook of IG, if your post is interesting enough it will get you so much more engagement even if your follower count is low.

>>9783147
Why?

>>9783728
I have a really good job and don't get attention from females otherwise.

>>9783854
I mean for that sort of money you could just hire really expensive hookers and actually put your dick in a woman instead of jerking it to snapchat nudes, unless the latter is your kink. A few thousand will get you the hottest woman you’ll ever touch for an entire night and you can do unspeakable things with her, seems to be the better deal imo.

>>9783919
Tried, besides being illegal where I am, sex with them isn't very enjoyable. Would rather beat off tbqh

>>9777010

Amen

>>9776533

Ahahahahahaha!.....AHAHAHAHA!

>>9777529
This, it's so freaking frustrating, I even had a fan this weekend who told me she didn't know I was going to be at the convention despite her having me set to "see first" and me having made several posts about it

>>9777284
LOL LegendaryLea. She's gotten banned a shitton of times for showing vag on stream and got drunk on stream once saying how kids with cancer should die. A+ content there

>>9783328
invited to Blizzcon for what? Run one of their shit cosplay panels?

>>9777284
>not linking the seagull that got twitch famous baka

I think we need more people like Jnig to get cosplay more known. That way all those people will trickle down to my page.

>>9783926

Dude, quit looking at these women, and get with one. No im not saying it like a fucking Chad Thundercock, im saying it like how its better to have normal human interaction and physical pleasure with another person. Beating off to these dumb cunts rots the brain, and lightens your wallet. Cmon man, you can do better than these dumb broads. Also give us a kiss?

>>9783328

I dont really believe you, who willingly goes to Blizzcon?

>>9776589

Are there any older lady type "mature" cosplayers out there ?

Asking for a friend

>>9788745

If there aint, just wait 5-10 years, and there will be.

At this point wouldn’t it be better to just post your cosplay stuff on your personal Facebook account? The only reason I could see people using pages is not wanting their normie friends to see their cosplay stuff or not wanting to see their convention friends to see their personal stuff.

Did anyone else see the OP image and think it was a joke at first?
I don't know what it is, I guess it's the fact that Nigri is on that image, you know. Like, what the fuck does she have to be worried about? She has enough betas throwing money at her to be safe, imo

>>9777050
It's going to get worse for the better. The repeal of net neutrality is helping by stopping thots from getting the exposure they crave that kills the image of cosplay. It also makes maximum use of internet reach more costly which also happens to help stop the flow of underage sluts.
www.mcall.com/business/tech/mc-biz-sex-abuse-smartphone-prices-20180214-story.html
Making it harder for jiggaboos and poor white pedo trash to shit up the interwebz (making it as it was pre-2015) won't be beneficial for profits but good for society.

>>9776533
It's been going on for quite a while. Six months ago, Facebook cosplay page I was an admin in had 250k followers and there are times when some posts would literally only have 500 reach, it was absurd. It usually averages at 2k~5k so it was shocking to see it go that low.

>>9788734
Nah decent women don't like me so why bother. I get plenty of human interaction through my friends.

Yeah my reach decreased.
Last year I posted a pic on Instagram and got 40 likes.
Yesterday, after about a year without doing cosplay, I posted one and only got 10.
Maybe it's because it's just a WIP pic with no con-related hashtag (and only 3 hashs), but sincerely, I don't care.

>>9790658
How much did you normally get ?

>>9776533
Good. Let this be a fun hobby instead of a way for w*men to attention whore.

>>9783724
>big companies notice
This

There’s been a couple times where I was so pissed over a business handling something I called them out on Twitter.

It resolved things WAY faster than phone calls and emails.

>>9777284
I wish Saudi princes threw money at me all day

Honestly I just want my friends and few fans to see my work and interact with me. I don't like smashing my normy page (personal) with my cosplay stuff, life reasons outside of cosplay The cosplay page reach has been decimated. I got about 1100 people on my page and when I make big posts (like a finished project with a real photoshoot) 300-400 reach with 20 likes...Like fuck, whats the point of even posting?! It use to be almost double that. I've been trying to move over to insta and twitter, kicker is facebook posting is just so well organized. It's sad to lose it. Oh well, get fucked.

>>9791203
I don't post often but usually around 40 when I did (2 years ago actually, but it was close to/during the con dates) so people were probably more active.

>>9776533
I mean, people just now found out you could do this professionally, now suddenly the fact that some aren't making that fucking doctor pay means it's the end of the world?