/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

secrets

>>9730693
What?

>>9730703
welcome newfriend

Does anyone have worn pictures of soufflesongs Wishing star JSK?

>>9730724
I'm not new, just really stupid. Are you referring to BtB?

>>9730834
Yes

Wasn't sure if I should ask here or the handmade thread, but here it goes:
Does anyone know of a guide/reference for making patterned fabric? I've seen the spoonflower guide but I'm struggling to find other stuff.

>>9730862
What in particular do you need help with Anon? It's pretty straightforward if you're using spoonflower

Merry Christmas, gulls! Did you get any lolita items this year?

looks like someone at AP USA fucked up their website's coding when adding new items

>>9730885
Looks like it's all items, I haven't been able to click on anything since they sure updated

>>9730885
been trying to get this stupid LP for over 40 minutes... when will AP USA invest in a better web server???

>>9730885
>>9730886
That's normal. The always make you wait a while after the release to actually buy. They really need to get a better website.

>>9730887
Ugh u and me both. Best of luck to us

>>9730885
I thought it was just my work internet, but this is absolutely brutal. What the hell did they do to their website??

>>9730901
I ended up getting the lovely bunny set in pink which is exactly what I wanted. Looks like the wine color sold out first.

Did you gulls get what you were hoping for?

I need advice... I’ve been cleaning up and downsizing my clothing. It was all going great until I got to my lolita stuff (which I never wear anymore but keep because it’s pretty and I hope to start again someday). Been following minimalist advice but it isn’t working for my lolita clothes at all, because if I followed that advice I’d need to get rid of all of it.
I do have quite a few items and they don’t get much wear at all so I’m looking for advice anyone has about paring down wardrobe.

Especially coming in to wardrobe posting time I’m keen to go through and photograph everything so I can sell it and put in the post at the same time.

>>9731007
Maybe keep a capsule wardrobe of your lolita, or the most worn items and make sure you have a couple of outfits you're happy with for the ones you will keep.

>>9730868
>>9730868
I guess just patterning in general.
I want to create something fairly similar to Angelic Pretty's overall style, with a bigger border print and simpler, smaller overall print. I'm confused by what my size settings should be.
Should this all be vectorized, or would raster graphics be okay if the size/quality is high enough?

>>9730874
my rabbit letter series is stuck in the mail, it is the holiday season after all but im worried it will arrive when im on holiday

Merry Christmas, you salty seagulls.

>>9730957
I got the wine bunny set! I'm very happy because it slipped through my fingers during the Japanese release. It took over an hour to get through and make the order. I almost gave up and I'm glad I didn't.

>>9731103
Merry Christmas to you too, dear anon!

>>9731008
Unfortunately my favourite items are the least worn - I’ve had to stop wearing lolita because my anxiety got really bad so I think when I do wear it, I try to wear less loved pieces so that I won’t face rejection of my favourites. This whole minimalism schtik is supposed to calm me down so I can do the things I like again. So Ive decided to just try to get rid of pieces that don’t fit great or are being held in place of something else (ie I’d really like a dress like this in a different colour, blah blah blah).

>>9731022
I personally work in vector because I do most of my artwork in Illustrator, but Raster is fine. default for spoonflower is 150 dpi but I recommend 200 dpi. Make sure your contrast is higher on your image as some color differences are lost in printing. I do a paper to-scale test print before getting fabrics because it's very easy to make all your image way too large during the design phase

>>9730847
The secrets were ok this week, I guess. If we want better ones or more, we should be submitting them.

>>9731007
Read Marie Kundo

>>9731337
Not that anon, but I did read Marie Kondo and I just couldn't make it work. Pretty much everything I own brings me happiness in some way. I guess I'm just a very happy person...

>>9731392
Marie Kondo is for people who feel unhappy because they have too much stuff and lost the overview about what they have. It is not only about getting rid of stuff but also about reorganizing and making everything look neat. So if you don't want to get rid of stuff, try reorganizing first

>>9731337
I did! It doesn’t help, I pick everything up and it friggen sparks joy. Or if it doesn’t, I still want it anyway because it’s cute. I am getting rid of some pieces now that I won’t wear for whatever reason, and I’m hoping I’ll be able to buy a few of my dream dresses in replacement.

>>9731538
But if they give you anxiety that's not happiness..

>>9731554
I'm the other anon who struggled with Marie Kondo. I find that it's the overall quantity of stuff that makes me uncomfortable and anxious, but I love the individual things. It's an awkward position to be in.

>>9731594
Oh I was talking to the one who gets anxious about wearing her clothes or something

What did you do for Christmas, anons?

>>9731594
This
>>9731610
I get anxious whenever I do anything at the moment, I find everything quite overwhelming so I’m hoping getting rid of most things from my life will make what I want to do easier. Clothing wise I basically live in one of two dresses at the moment because wearing other things usually freaks me out.
So what I ended up doing is I’m selling a few pieces, but things I’m on the fence about are just going in a box on top of my closet and I’ll decide later.
Even if I don’t wear lolita I still love the clothes!

Do you ever wear a diaper because its a pain to get your brand off or not let it touch the toilet?

>>9731594
I'm none of these anons but I find Marie Kondo's method just doesn't work for things like lolita or expensive stuff in general. It works for people who hoard fast fashion crap they don't want and can dump it all in a charity bin the next day and feel no emotional attachment. But for something like lolita, where even if you don't want the clothes anymore, they were all still loved at some point and will take a while to sell and ship out to someone who will love them just as much. Unless you have a friend who wants them, or you can bring the dresses you don't want to a swap meet tomorrow, you won't be seeing the back of them for a while and they'll still be stressing you out. The best thing to do is to look after all your clothes that do bring you joy, and keep the rest out of sight and out of mind until you can sell them.

>>9731647
If you don't wear your favourite stuff right now, you can always try displaying and organising them nicely. You can also experiment with making different coordinates or floordinates too even if you don't feel comfortable wearing them right now. I promise you the state of anxiety you're in right now won't last forever.

One day you'll be able to wear your favourite stuff again. So don't feel forced to sell all your favourite dresses because some random ideology says to dump everything you don't use on a daily basis. If you want to downsize your wardrobe by getting rid of stuff that doesn't fit right or isn't the right colour, substyle etc. by all means go ahead, it'll probably be a weight off your shoulders. But just remember that this will pass. One day you'll be able to wear your favourite stuff again and there's no pressure to cull everything, just do what makes you feel the most comfortable.

>>9731392
Why are you minimizing if you are happy? I’ve generally been on the #minimalist train for years, but it’s because I move a lot and have severe AD/HD that gets exacerbated by clutter. If you want to keep something and you are happy with the resources (time, money, space) you spend on it, then keep it. Don’t let an internet trend tell you what you need.

>>9731630
Cleaned up around the house and tried to make it through another day

>>9731630
Had dinner with the in-laws and got complimented on my “costume”, which was just an old school velvet skirt with normie cardigan, tights and shoes. I’m beginning to think that literally anything but jeans is a costume to these people but at least they were nice about it this time and the food was good.

>>9731690
I feel happy when I look at or wear individual pieces and when I think of how much I love them. I'm not happy about having so many things in general, it makes me anxious and I'm running out of closet space big-time.

>>9731666
This is actually really good advice, thanks!

>>9731665
a girl i know complained about how peeing in lolita is so hard because she has to take off literally all of her clothes and put them back on again

is she retarded or is this a common thing? just make a petticoat and waist tie bouquet in front of you it's not rocket science

>>9731630
positives
>wore a nice classic coord and got a ton of compliments from relatives
>hair and make-up turned out well

negatives
>dripped nosebleed blood on my burando
>spilled coffee on my burando
>ill all day
>none of the underages with Christmas money bid on my LM auctions

>>9731630
I went on a date with my bf and snuggled with him on a bench overlooking the harbour for a while

>>9731666
>I'm none of these anons but I find Marie Kondo's method just doesn't work for things like lolita or expensive stuff in general. It works for people who hoard fast fashion crap they don't want and can dump it all in a charity bin the next day and feel no emotional attachment. But for something like lolita, where even if you don't want the clothes anymore, they were all still loved at some point and will take a while to sell and ship out to someone who will love them just as much. Unless you have a friend who wants them, or you can bring the dresses you don't want to a swap meet tomorrow, you won't be seeing the back of them for a while and they'll still be stressing you out.
This is exactly my problem. I think it does work for high-value items hoarded by people with a comfortable income, where they the loss of potential cash won't really affect them financially (plus Japan has resale shops so you can at least get a tiny bit back), but losing few hundred dollars is not a trivial amount of money for me. I managed to be merciless and find 25 lolita items I wanted to get rid of immediately (plus lots more that are uncomfortable/etc but I can't get rid of until I find a replacement), but sales are such a burden. Hours making listings, months bumping and reducing posts waiting for things to sell, and meanwhile they're taking up a ton of space in my room and just looking at them makes me stressed thinking about how much of a loss I'm making on each piece. Plus my friends/family nag me whenever they find out I'm selling stuff, especially if I don't make much back - saying I should have predicted that market saturation would fuck up resale value and I was stupid to put off closet cleaning for so long (true), or acting like I'm a shopping-addicted idiot who's constantly buy-selling new things without even wearing them (totally false, I bought a lot this year but wear it all regularly, most of my sales are things I bought years ago I can't even fit).

sage for blog

>>9731728
Lmao it's not hard? Just pull the whole skirt + petti + waist ties up into your arms and go? Then I bunch it into one arm to wipe... if you're stupid and incapable of handling yourself I can see how people have difficulties, but really, it's not hard.

>>9731811
Maybe just sell the stuff you’re planning to replace, anon. I’m the original anon who started this discussion and I noticed through my cleaning that I have a lot of “almost” items. It’s almost perfect, it almost fits, it almost matches, etc. keeping these items around that I don’t like means that I never bother to get the things I really want because I end up getting some impulse purchase because I feel no urgency in getting the more needed items due to having so many “almost” pieces. ie I have a few long sleeved white blouses but I don’t like one because it has a stupid strip of lace running down the sleeve, and I don’t like the other because they used a weird ribbon on the front of it, and another is way too small. But I’m always like “I have so many white blouses, why would I need more?” If I sold these three, I could replace them with one I really liked.

Getting lots of ideas from this thread that are really helping.

>>9731821
I sewed myself a lolita-sized one of these bad boys. Works great. It's really easy to make, too.

>>9731630
Just had dinner with my mom, brothers, and their girlfriends while wearing a casual coord with Misty Sky in black since that just came in. I wanted to dress up for the holiday and they were really accepting and didn't say much of anything other than it being cute which makes me really happy since I'm generally very anxious about this. I'm taking a trip to Japan in the spring and most of my gifts were related to that from new non-80's grandma couch floral luggage which was all we had previously to airplane neck pillows. Was nice.

>>9731728
She’s just retarded. Pull stockings/panties/bloomers down, gather skirt and petti in your lap, squat. It’s that easy, god forbid any of these morons get married and have to pee while in their wedding dress.

>>9731811
>but losing few hundred dollars is not a trivial amount of money for me.
I feel the same. I'm not someone who sees my clothes as investment pieces to make back my money on but I don't like to go through the months of trouble to list things, try and sell them and ship them out only to take a big loss at the end. It feels easier to just hold on to things than lose money but then I have more stuff I don't want. I try my best not to buy pieces just because they're cheap, and I still have OTT dresses from when I first got into the fashion that I still want but I just know I'm not getting my money's worth of. I usually just display those pieces as home decor at this point since they're really pretty to look at and I don't just like to shove them in a closet to never touch.

>>9731825
I get what you mean with having so many 'almost' pieces that you can't justify buying pieces that you actually want. It depends, how often do you wear white blouses? Can you change some of the details you don't like on the blouses you already have? I'd say get rid of the one that doesn't fit, if you need at least one white blouse keep the one that is the most inoffensive or can be changed(can you seam rip the weird ribbon?) unless you really don't want it. Sell the one with the lace strip if you really don't like it/can't make it work. Then don't buy another white blouse until you see one that you really love. Have you got one in mind that you really like or will you be looking for one for a while?

Personally I have several black blouses because I wear them with almost everything. But I don't just buy them for the sake of it because they're cheap and they exist. I buy them when I see one that I like every detail of, I know they'll fit and go with my outfits even if they're more expensive because I know I'll really love them.

I don’t know if this has already been posted, but I saw it and at first I thought I was gonna be mad, or even angry, but i really liked it.
https://youtu.be/mycRMBFfz-0

>>9731821
I don't really consider bathroom breaks in lolita to be challenging either but the amount of derision you have toward the idea of anyone having difficulty with them is bizarre.

>>9731865
It's been posted, and it's embarrassing. Her wigs are awful.

>>9731719
oh god.

>>9731829
Anon do you have a pattern/can you tell me how you made it? I need it for my peace of mind and to make my life easier

>>9731630
fought with my parents and went to the movies kek
waiting for my ss gift. that is the only thing I've been looking forward to holiday-wise

>>9731866

nayrt, but the original comment was diapers and then the follow-up comment mentioned someone so clothing-challenged they apparently needed to strip totally butt naked to take a pee.

Something in there is certainly worth an eyeroll or a lmao, I think.

so the other day i went to put my tights on and got them up one leg and started on the other before i realized i had bloomers on and was going to have to start over
this is what i get for wearing socks 99% of the time. and being retarded apparently.

Is AP USA down for anyone else right now? Chrome keeps saying that the page is unavailable and isn't able to accept my request. Is there a big release tonight or something?

>>9732014
I feel it though

This is probably a stupid question but I figured it would be answered best in this thread. How do I know if Antique Beast is open for orders?

>>9732095
add yourself to the mail order list and check your email often

>>9731665
dear god not this shit again

>>9732057
Christmas LPs anon

>>9731962
Nayrt but I had to look it up for myself since I had never heard of this before today, found this:

https://m.weddingwire.com/wedding-forums/homemade-bridal-buddy/1fe090b8e844771b.html

Such a basic idea but it’s hilariously brilliant.

>>9732138
That was quite obviously bait, anon.
>>9732139
Really? I thought those were released earlier in the day. What bad timing on my part. But thanks!

>>9731630
Played a ton of cool games with my family, got BTSSB’s Swan Lake skirt in ivory from my parents (my mom doesn’t like lolita, so it was a wonderful surprise), and ended up buying Pas de Deux in the Blue Moon Odile JSK in Black off of Wunderwelt for around 75$! Two dream prints are on the way, and I couldn’t be happier about it.

Two weeks ago I put a bunch of stuff on lacemarket and.. I don't get why people on here complain about LM so much? Nearly everything is sold by now and nothing weird or bad happened. Maybe you guys just overprice?

>>9732212
Or maybe you underpriced... How did you price your things?

>>9732225
I looked at what they normally sold for

>>9732225
I looked up how much it normally sells for, how much I paid for it when I bought it and I thought about how much I'd pay for it now

>>9732013
The best part is that the person who started this discussion was obviously trying to get gulls to describe pissing in lolita and the dumb bitches here fell for it and that guy got something to jerk off to.

>>9731780
Whats your lacemarket name?

What do you gulls do with dresses?
Do you sell them once you wore them once or twice and get another one,keeping your wardrobe constantly moving,or do you keep everything?

I personally haven't sold anything yet since i came back into the fashion two years ago but I feel like at some point i'll just sell and replace,only keeping pieces that i truly love

>>9731103
Merry (late) christmas to you too ya twatwaffle.
Love this board and love you all guys.

>>9732281
you're a sweety!

>>9732280
>What do you gulls do with dresses?
wear them

>>9732212
It depends on the item, the brand, and how recently it was released. Popular AP dresses are still easy to sell (even if you make a loss because an item's been re-released a bunch), but IW and Taobao especially have dropped value a lot because the market is flooded with them and they're so easy to buy new for cheap.

Also, are you in the US? It's way easier when you live in a country with a lot of lolitas within the range of quick, cheap domestic shipping. When the average buyer's paying $20 extra for international shipping it's way harder to sell, especially if it's a small item that was cheap to start with.

>>9732290
I live in Europe. When I buy from lacemarket I only look at European listings and I reckon a lot of other girls do the same, because Americans often refuse to ship here and it can be much more expensive than shipping+SS fees from Japan.

>tfw bought myself Mercator set new from AP
>Also bought myself a meta blouse and socks

Murray chreesmus to me

Does anyone know what the original shop this dress came from is? The shop that posted it is a scam, the dress on their site is a cheap replica that looks nothing like it. I'm assuming it's taobao

>>9732322
I believe that's a souffle song dress but I'm not sure

>tfw when you didn't get any lolita for your birthday, for christmas or on sale and you're still waiting for news on moitie lucky bags

>>9731630
I ended up spending time with my family in the early morning, went to brunch on my mother's side of the family, and then went to dinner at my father's side. My grandma got me a really really nice sewing machine with a lot of really pretty fabric, lace, and basic sewing machine needs. I told her I was interested in sewing my own dresses so she came through for me! I can't wait to see what projects I make this next year. I can't really use any of the fabric for Lolita, however I have some cute puppy fabric that I can use to make adorable tote bags :)

>>9732322
>>9732323
Yes, it's SS.

Anyone know when we should expect the AP Lovely Bunny Los?
I haven't received a tracking number but this is the first time I've ordered from the US store

>>9732344
*Lovely Bunny LPs

Are any of you taking advantage of normie brands' post-christmas sales? I got pic related to go with my military lolita skirts, but I'm not sure what other shops to look at since most cute stuff from zara/h&m etc is too low quality for lolita.

>>9732353
>455 dollars
holy shit anon...... that much for a normie offbrand jacket............

>>9732377
>offbrand
it's one of my favourite brands ever and got a 65% discount in-store

>>9732377
Anon... normie clothes can be expensive. Especially normie designer clothes.

>>9732353
Check out Claudie Pierlot, they had cute tops and detachable collars this year

>>9732379
okay that seems much more reasonable to me! was just feeling like as cute as the jacket was, I'd have rather spent it on burando jackets for less than the online price

>>9732386
I get that. I personally prefer to buy tops and jackets in-person though. With JSKs and skirts it's easy to know if it will fit or not, but with blouses and jackets from lolita brands I've often bought ones that were too big for my mosquito boobs, too tight at my shoulders or with long-sleeves that didn't reach my wrists since they don't always list those measurements (correctly).

>>9732344
I'm sure they won't be shipping out lucky packs until 1/8/18 since they will be closed from 12/31-1/5. In-store LP will be released on 1/6 so the following week will be the time they start fulfilling orders.

Other than the luckypacks that are finiished, when do the AP sales start?

Does anyone else have problems with Lacemarket bidding? Tried to bid on something in the last 15 seconds, but got the message that the auction ended (but I could still bid on it again, too bad that it was over for real by then)?

>>9732410
Maybe not wait till the last 15 seconds lel

>>9732413
In every single auction in the past people did that but worse, like in the last 2 seconds, so I just adapted it. Needless to say, it leaves little room for the outbid person to raise their bid again so yeah. It's sneaky but successfull when there are no errors.

So I've never ordered directly from AP before, and I just got one of the lucky packs on Christmas eve. I checked my bank account today and the money was refunded?
Is this normal? The only email I received from Angelic Pretty was my confirmation

>>9732417
Lm is not meant for sniper bids even if you can do it. So it’s a risk if it doesn’t like you doing it.

>>9732330
>tfw have never gotten anything lolita-related for Christmas, birthday or whatever despite it being my main hobby for over 10 years now and regularly showing loved ones links to wishlist items on easy-to-buy-from sites like WW
>got towels (??) and a book from an author I dislike instead because “oh Anon you’re so hard to buy presents for!!”
Usually on my birthday it doesn’t bother me so much because I’m used to it, but around Christmas everyone on my FB feed starts posting about having gotten brand as a Christmas gift and I get a bit salty. How can this 17-year-old’s computer-illiterate mother figure out how to buy directly from AP but my fiancé, who shops online all the time and can even read a bit of Japanese, can’t even be bothered to get me a cute phone case from Wunderwelt?

I should probably take this to the feels thread, I know.

>>9732332
That sounds great, anon! If you’ve never sewn a dress before then it’s better to practice a bit first anyway, instead of jumping in and trying to make a JSK out of nice (expensive) fabric right away. I wish someone had told me that before I started mangling velvet.

Weird question lolis but:

How would you react if a random guy came up to you and asked to take a picture? I love Lolita fash and into photo faggotry, would like to take some pics and have a nice portfolio of it.

>>9732538
I would say no and I'd get annoyed if someone secretly takes a picture of me. It's weird af.

>>9732538
I always say yes and it doesn't bother me. But I'm a lot less of a bitch than most lolitas.

>>9732545
>not wanting strangers to collect your picture makes you a bitch

>>9732293
Interesting, I live in the EU too and I've had a much harder time making sales than when I cleared out in 2016 and 2015. I even have some of the same basic items up now as I did a couple of years ago (different sizes/colours but same condition) - in early 2016 it took me maybe 2 weeks to find a buyer for 90% of my stuff, now it's been a month and I've only sold 25% even though everything's priced cheaper than before.

While we're talking about sales, hen do you think it's appropriate to wear something from your sales album? Is it fine if you take the post down before you wear it and edit the item details after, or is it automatically shady since you're using outdated proof photos? Would it be weird to post a coord shot to Insta then link it to a listing? I get more interaction on there than views on LM.

>>9732566
As long as you launder or list it as worn, and then check for any new damage and report that, I think it's okay. I usually use old coord photos or just make a flatlay instead of putting it all on, though.

It can come off as rather shady, as people have tried to claim things are new when they're then wearing them.

>>9732553
>I even have some of the same basic items up now as I did a couple of years ago
so the same stuff you couldn't sell in 2016 and 2015?

>>9732538
I would immediately say no because you referred to us as lolis you damn degenerate.

>>9732587
Most normies I know refer to the fashion as loli for short. Correcting them doesn't really solve the problem and just makes us sound spergier than we already sound.

>>9732587
I wear lolita and I say loli because that's what lolitas often said when I got into it and because I like to trigger people like you

>>9732590
>>9732595
Wow amazing.

>>9732452
Out of curiosity, have you straight up told him and everyone else to get you something from wunderwelt or wherever? As in with links and instructions? Cuz if it's been ten years and no one's gotten a clue it's time to take matters into your own hands since you're apparently surrounded by people too thick to pick up on subtlety.

I'm considering getting replica tea parties but I'm not sure whether to buy them from Antaina or Secret Shop. The Antaina ones look kinda wonky in design but I've heard SS has lowered its quality

>>9732583
Reading comprehension please. E.g. bought the same item in two different sizes/colours, sold one in 2016 for 90% of retail pretty quickly, listed the other one in 2017 and had to drop the price to 70% of retail with no buyer. Some sizes/colours are just more popular or cuts fall out of style but it's happened enough for me to think it's a trend.

>>9732634
I really like my ones from antaina. They're comfortable and have held up really well.

>>9732590
Tfw you have been correcting family members and realise that you sound spergy

>>9732322
from soufflesong's spectre series

>>9731728
I will tell you that peeing in lolita is hard if you're born with a penis. I'm a female who was born with intersex features. It's hard to release liquid when you have something dangling between your legs and continues to drip afterward.

And yes my penis is fully functional. I freaked out to my parents when I fapped for the first time. It was way worse when I first menstruated.

>>9732452
Man i feel this too. My bf is pretty well off and from a ridiculously wealthy family but doesn't have really have his own steady flow of cash, and I dont know how to go about asking him to buy me brand\ of if i even should ask him? He's kind of a tight ass when it comes to buying things he doesn't think he should buy, but I'd reallllllllly love it if he ever surprised me with something from WW, CC or my LM wishlist. Last birthday he bought me some tea (which i like!) and did some other nice things for me but said he didn't really know what to get for me... like, mang just look through my open tabs on my computer when you come over and i'm out of the room or something.

I'm not overly material either, I dont feel like he has to buy me shit and always pay for things but i get kind of jealous and salty when i hear about other gulls' family and SO's spoiling them with brand all the time for christmas/birthday and also just for random gifts. That could be me ;-;

>>9732337
>>9732323
>>9732656
Thanks I really fucking liked that and was surprised to see a scam site posting something so cute. I'll have to start looking at SS

>>9732437
email them to see if they sold out or something, why would we know?

>>9732666
sometimes i think about how hard life is, and then i remember it could be worse. i could have been born intersex

>>9732538
kill yourself instead

>>9732669
>>9732452
If it helps anons, my family and friends have never bought me anything lolita or loliable either. They don't like being told "buy this for me", but they're too worried about getting me something I don't like/already have to just guess what I'd like based on my tastes. I don't really mind since there's usually normie stuff I need and money is always useful.

>five different people copped out and got me boxes of chocolate this year

>>9732684
If you're used to buying brand, I wouldn't bother. Souffle Song has pretty bad quality, even for a Taobao brand.

>>9732738
Souffle song can be hit or miss, but I have one or two that I really like. It is a gamble though

>>9732738
If it's cheap enough I can wear it to concerts, I like having coords that I am not afraid to ruin. I used to wear my oldschool stuff but it seems like that's getting to be quite expensive now and I would like to take better care of it. Dresses and skirts that I actually bought a couple years ago for like 2000-3000 yen (karami, Gobelin stuff, meta lacemonsters) are now going for 10000 and up. Blows my mind. I wouldn't mind having some shit quality taobao

>>9730889
did you end up getting the LP? I got black!! Very excited.

>>9731630
Bf surprised me with vivienne westwood x melissa flats and q pot earrings! My mom got me a heart shaped kate spade purse "to carry with my one dress with the milkshakes" (diner doll). Super chill day. Happy holidays everyone!

>>9732569
Thanks for the advice. I have some stuff that's been listed on LM for literally months and I'd like to give another try (esp. since things with worn photos sell more quickly, and people often comment "I love x/where did you buy y" on CoF), but I feel uncomfortable wearing anything I originally listed as "like new, worn once" or NWOT even if I edit the listing.

>>9732590
>>9732595
>actually falling for my bait
POTTERY

>>9732353
I've been looking for cardigans since lolita brand ones often run really small (can't button up any of BtSSB/AatP's 82cm bust offerings), but the colour selection's not great. I liked pic related from Boden but I already have three pink cardigans and two navy ones. If it came in brown, cream or wine I would have bought it.

>http://www.boden.co.uk/en-gb/womens-knitwear/knitted-cardigans/k0009-red/womens-post-box-red-bernadette-cardigan

>>9732669
>like, mang just look through my open tabs on my computer when you come over and i'm out of the room or something.
That's not how to communicate with your boyfriend. How does he not know what you're into?

>>9732785
I can't stand long cardigans with lolita though, they make you look like a fat blob depending on how you button them and whether they are fitted or loose. I like how brand cardigans are usually so short that you can still see your waistline even when they're buttoned. Meta has some that aren't the right length that I was really disappointed by, especially since the one I got was pretty big and shapeless

>>9732538
I'm not that bothered by it, but everyone who's asked has always come across as someone who just likes clothes rather than someone who's fetishizing it or wants to take the piss. A "hey I like your outfit, can I take a photo?" is much better than trying to take a photo without me noticing.

>>9732793
I mean, i show him new releases and dresses i like quite a lot - sometimes just the picture, sometimes a link. He knows my style very well, brands, colours, cuts, etc. and he loves seeing me in lolita but if say, I were stuck for an idea for him i would probably just look through his browser history or open tabs to get the exact links/items. Its not like I'm trying to communicate with him like that, I dont expect him to read my mind and magically know what to get me but that's how I'd "expect to be surprised", if you catch my drift?

Like i said earlier, I'm just hesitant to come forward about asking him outright to buy me brand, I obviously cant be mad if he hasn't caught on to me just showing him things. I'm usually one to be straightforward with communication, if i'm upset, etc. but it feels kind of wrong to straight up say "i want this, can you buy it for me".

>>9732141
Thanks anon! I really can't sew or do anything handmade but I want to try this.

I wonder how long I should make it for lolita?

>>9732280
I keep everything, I've only sold the only few bodyline dresses from when I was a newbie.

I have a very distinct taste, I know what I like, and I stick to my wishlist. This way, I don't fall out of love with pieces, so I don't want to sell them. I love my dresses so much, I don't think I could bring myself to sell them even in a financial crisis.

>>9732810
I like longer cardigans (not hip-length or super long) with just the top one or two buttons done over A-line empire-waisted dresses. Some AP and ETC cardigans I have are like that, but I wouldn't want it as my only option.

>>9732280
My style changed over the years and my size is different too, so I sold off a lot of the things I bought before 2015 or so. I kept my first piece for sentimental reasons but I don't fit it now, I was in my teens when I bought it. I try to buy stuff for the long-term and definitely don't buy-sell new releases, but I don't wear lolita that often when I'm not on holiday, so even though I usually don't get bored of stuff for a few years a lot of things have only been worn once or twice by the time I sell them. I've also sold quite a few things without ever wearing them because they didn't fit or the colour was off IRL. My most frequently worn pieces probably get ~10 wears, there's probably some shoes and a bolero that have gone over 30.

>>9732816
Do you think maybe he just feels weird spending that much on a dress if he tends to be pretty frugal with his money? Like, some people are happy to spend heaps on experiences/travel/food and drink but not as much on clothes/fashion/stuff.

>>9732280
Nah I love my dresses. I could see owning them for a long time

Do you guys ever scout out locations in normie clothes before you wear lolita to them, to see if they're likely to be unsafe or you'll get harassed?

There's a big park in the city I just moved to that looks nice, but it's near the bad part of town so IDK about going alone in lolita.

>>9732538
I have no goddamn idea how to smile or pose and always end up looking like a goblin when someone else takes my picture, so I'd probably say no. But simply asking is the best way to go on about it, like >>9732814 said.

>>9732630
Once, with a magazine I couldn’t buy myself (no credit card) but he expected me to pay him back until I explicitly told him to make it my birthday gift. I don’t think he likes being told what to buy as a gift because then it’s no longer a surprise, but to be honest I’d rather get something I want and not be surprised than be surprised by gifts I never wanted and won’t use. The latter makes me feel guilty as well as disappointed because I feel like they wasted their money on me for no reason.
My mother once asked me to show her where I bought my clothes online and I walked her through CC and WW, showed her my wishlists on those sites, and hinted that I could give her my pw so she and my dad could look through it at their own pace if they wanted to. She said “oh, okay” like it didn’t really click and then bought me laundry detergent and towels because I’m so hard to buy presents for. A lot of stuff on my wishlists is only $10-25 so I don’t think it’s necessarily a money issue. Maybe everyone around me secretly dislikes lolita? I don’t even know anymore.

>>9732852
This is probably part of it, too. Both my fiancé and my dad have no problem dropping cash on electronics they’ll use twice and then forget about, but getting them to buy clothing, even for themselves, is like pulling teeth.

I hope I don’t sound too whiny. I really love my family, but I also just realised that I look forward more to my comm’s gift swap meet than to the gift exchange at Christmas with the senpai and that’s kind of sad.

>>9732666
Reading this made me sad, but I'm not sure if because of being able to relate, jealousy due to not being intersex, or feeling fake myself…

Life sucks, I hope everything turns out all right for you.

>>9732635
How much are you trying to sell them for? I've been looking for good tops but most people are selling taobao and bodyline shit

>>9732816
Do you gift him expensive stuff? If he bought you tea last time that could be because it's his budget. It's pretty selfish to all for more expensive things than what he normally gives you.

JetJ update.
https://twitter.com/J_et_J/status/945942746858000384

>>9732768
If it's been worn, please do NOT list it as NWOT. That is not what NWOT means. If it's been worn for more than 5-10 minutes to try on, it's not NEW at all.
"Worn 1-2x, like new!" is fine, NWOT is not.

>>9732951
Yeah it just sounds like gifting is not their thing...maybe just ask for things you actually use? My parents would never gift me jfashion clothing/accessories and I would never expect them to, but they try to buy useful things. This year I got a massive pack of flocked velvet coat hangers which was actually exactly what I needed for my wardrobe (currently most of it's on plastic hangers and a lot of my chiffon and velvet likes to try and slip off)

If I want lolita clothes I tend to buy them myself, although I have two good lolita friends who have bought me small items before and ex boyfriends have surprised me before.

Meta Dozing Cat re-release!
https://www.metamorphose.gr.jp/metamornews/14359

What are you smoking wunderwelt?

>>9732666
>able to ejaculate from working penis
>but also menstruate
this seems very unbelievable. also, tmi. >that thinly-veiled segue from anything lolita related

>>9733010
Don't shoot! I swear I'm just a friendly rabbit.

>>9733010
>when you try to replicate old school brand photoshoots like Beth and Jane Marple, but end up looking like a still from a grindhouse film...

>>9733005
woooow the pink is extremely cute!
I couldn't pull off Wa so it's not exactly a dream dress...but every time I see the hakama jsk in bordeaux I stare. the checkered print and that lovely mustard accent color. Meta is second to none in wa because their unusual color choices actually shine and look perfect in these designs imo

>>9733005
it's just so unflattering

>>9732951
Can you ask for relatively expensive practical stuff just to avoid having to spend money on it yourself? Wooden clothes hangers or wool tights or pyjamas or something. My grandparents hate frivolous clothes but they gave me a good dehumidifier and high-threadcount bedding when I needed them. One time I asked my partner for lingerie just so I didn't have to spend $40 on a new bra (cheap shops don't stock my size). Sometimes it doesn't work because people think the gifts are too impersonal (computer components) or don't believe I'll use them (rice cooker, grandparents wanted to buy me a slow cooker instead even though I hate stew and eat rice several times a week), but it saves me money. If all else fails I usually ask for Lush bath stuff I'm too cheap to buy myself. Learnt the hard way not to ask for make-up because grandparents will buy me unusably cheap brands instead of the ones I ask for, but if I need a vacuum cleaner or something they approve.

>>9733024
Just like real kimono it looks best on slender women with a small frame and long rectangle/banana body shape. Meta’s wa releases are super popular in my comm, but only one of the girls actually looks good in them. The rest are too round and it makes them look even fatter. But of course the tucked hakama cut is the one with full back shirring...

>>9733029
I meant it's more unflattering than their older wa releases and real kimono

Does anyone else see threads in Rufflechat and look at people commenting claiming to have a wealth of experience, and look on their profile only for them to have no lolita related things whatsoever? Always makes me think they're talking out of their ass.

>>9733032
I've seen some balding men comment lol. Also a lot of people who use rufflechat as their personal blog.

>>9732666
> Fully functional penis and menstruation

Sounds genuinely fake and like you have never met or spoken to a real intersex person but ok

>>9733032
I don't comment in RC but I know lolitas who do who don't have any lolita visible on their public profile for work reasons.

>>9733010
>>9733018
This is fucking hilarious. I love WW.

No worn pictures thread,so does anyone own this? Fancy ribbon bunny parka by AP. The measurements in lolibrary say 84cm~ but I want to know exactly how much ease that "~" means

>>9731630
worked my ass off all day, but when i came home at 1:30 AM my parents were waiting for me and had me open the gifts from them and the family i didn't see. in relation to lolita-related gifts, i got some really adorable OPs and shoes that i had been eyeing for a while. super hype about the dresses because i have a habit of buying too many JSKs.

so, even though the day itself was a dumpster fire, it ended up ok. merry late christmas!

>>9733080
measured mine for you and the 84 cm measurement is accurate. the fabric itself isn't very stretchy, but it's not rigid either (sorry i don't know proper terms) so i can see it willing to accommodate 4-5 more cm but i don't think it would stretch much further

i'm an 81 cm bust so i'm not a huge help RIP

>>9732816
>i would probably just look through his browser history or open tabs to get the exact links/items
I hope you find porn you don't approve of

>>9733032
Unless I recognise someone on RC from their COF or IG posts, I assume them to be a "lolita at heart" talking out of their ass. And I don't even post to COF myself.

>>9733039
This is possible, but from experience + seeing who in my comm is the most active on RC, the roleplaying nonlita theory is much more likely.

Also is it possible to turn off notifications for a specific person on FB? I've already muted her on my feed but I still get notifications every time she posts her daily tl;dr blog to RC and it's really starting to get on my nerves.

>>9732951
I'd just ask for money at this point, but I also realize that it may be against your family's norms to do that. I think the other anons have good holdover suggestions, and I'm just hoping that you don't have other underlying communication issues if you're committing to a lifetime with this guy (none of my business really, just crossed my mind reading your posts).

Ethics question- would it be considered not appropriate if I just....seam ripped off the teal chiffon and replaced it w/ a cream color lace/chiffon???

I seriously can't make this skirt look good in any coord I try and it's because of the fucking teal ruffles. I ADORE this print but those damn ruffles are such an eyesore.

Why are there so many Victorian Maiden and Mary Magdalene replicas everywhere? They're not even popular

>>9733216
It's your skirt, do what you want with it. Of course, doing this will devalue it if you ever decide to sell it, but if modifying it will make you love it more then by all means, have at it.

>>9733216
Do it. I feel like all Triple Fortune clothes could be improved desu. I wish they would just stick to making headwear/accessories. I waited all my life for a flower fairies collab and Triple Fortune did it in the worst way possible and I'll always be salty about it.

>>9733219
>They're not even popular

>>9733224
I'm in one of the biggest comms of Europe and I've never seen someone wear VM or MM irl. I heard from others hardly anyone wore VM even when the designer came to Barcelona.

>>9732986
Not all Taobao is shit.

>>9733230
Poorfag detected

>>9733227
Most Westerners are too fat for those brands.

>>9733216
yikes, I find the ruffles the best part. really brings out the teal in the print.
you should mod it if you want, ti's your skirt! if you ever want to sell though you'll have to put it at a significant discount.

>>9733219
whaaaaat? VM and MM produce some of the most iconic lolita mains, that's why there are so many replicas. everyone loves the 2 brands, but the sizing is very petite so not many can pull it off. plus, they're coveted and retain their value so you won't usually find them for very cheap.

>>9733230
Actually all taobao is bad compared to what I normally buy

>>9733227
>I've never seen someone wear VM or MM irl
Because it's so easy to buy design replicas or similar designs for cheaper, and most girls don't fit the original brand sizing. You could say the designs are popular even though the brand's clothes aren't.

>>9733227
>it's not popular in MY area and country so it must not be popular ANYWHERE

>>9733241
you're lying to yourself desu. a lot of people dont know the design replicas are originally from those brands and mary magdalene is literally not even doing anything to the point new lolitas dont know they exist. just because they have a few fans doesnt make them popular brands.

>>9733224
>>9733241
>does tea-party in Europe for the first time
>nearly every lolita wears a different brand
But I'm sure they're very popular in the US, where people are way fatter

>>9733246
yes, because all European lolitas were able to go to that tea party in Spain.

>>9733264
Popular means a large amount of people like something

>>9733233
rip

>>9733241
>tfw some ita I know called Ekaterina offbrand/IW
It's not popular among newer lolitas

>>9733391
New lolitas these days rarely do their research though, they know nothing about the fashion beyond AP's flavor of the week prints and playing kawaii uguu princess dress-up.

>>9733396
Because AP is popular unlike some other brands

>>9733396
this.
lolita has definitely exploded in the past 5 years and the newer lolitas are by far attracted to the trends because that's what's most visible/available when they start the fashion.
taobao and AP, mostly sweet.
you can't gauge the general tastes of the community if you don't account for the inexperience of the new crowd and whatever changes have occurred.
Poll a bunch of noobs and 90% or more haven't read a GLB and can't name more than 4 brands.

I'm a chubbo and I own 2 VM mains. Plus-friendly MM is a bit harder to find, unfortunately. but you really can't beat the effortlessly elegant vibe of VM and MM. I mostly wear sweet because of my size but classic, old school, and trad lolita are my heart. Maybe one day I'll get some MM in my wardrobe.

>>9733407
>admits to being fat
Opinion discarded

>>9733407
None of that makes it a popular brand though? people aren't criticizing VM/MM, just acknowledging the truth. Just because a bunch of lolitas who joined 4 years ago don't read GLB doesn't mean they don't count when looking at what brands are popular and sell.

>>9733233
>retain their value
Not lately, it seems. The plainer/less known MM and VM items have been going for a steal these last couple of years. Not that I'm complaining though, it's been an absolutely glorious time to be buying even if I lose a bit on the selling side.

>>9733396
Stuff like VM and MM tends to become more appealing the older you get, and newer lolitas are more likely to be younger coming into the fashion there's that to consider. I'd also rather not have to fight my way through releases and secondhand for VM as long as they're making enough to stay afloat, seriously fuck AP/BtSSB bloodbaths.

>>9732994
The shoes are pretty dope, I hope they don't cost 50000 yen like everything else they release these days.

>>9733419
I was really into VM and MM when I started out. My first dress was MM. However I was 15 and stick thin, then my metabolism caught up and now they're not in my size range really...

>>9733432
just eat less and fit them again

>>9733432
Start taking adderall, it'll pump your metabolism up for sure.

>>9733224
MM and VM is very popular in my country, a lot of people wear their items and those that doesn't fit the dress sizes wear their accessories, headdresses etc.

>>9733444
Meant for >>9733219

>>9733444
Where is this, I want to move there ;_;

>>9733448
mte it sounds unreal. where I live baby, aatp and ap are popular,.

>>9733408
edgyyyy

>>9733448
Sweden

>>9733418
The fuck do you live where girls who claim to have been in the fashion four years don't know their brands? Most girls in my comm have been around less than two, and they still know MM and VM because every newbs guide to lolita features them and there pictures are everywhere. It's not popular because younger girls tend to like sweet more, not because they don't know what it is.

>>9733456
Baby mains are quite unpopular in my comm and AatP mains are still pretty uncommon. Seems like the prints are too simple for AP/Meta fans but girls who like subdued sweet go for IW instead. And girls who like plain classic own more Taobao and cheap sale/second-hand IW than VM and MM. Seems like people gush over VM and MM when they see them but either don't fit the sizing or aren't willing to drop the dollar for it.

>>9733457
Spot the newfag

>>9733462
Which comm in Sweden do you belong to? The majority of meetups I have attended to I find myself see people mostly wear ap, btssb or iw.

>>9732852
>>9732951
Yeah, pretty much. In fact my boyfriend spends way more money on food (restaurants, eats out a lot, goes to the expensive convenience store when he needs something and rarely shops at a big supermarket) than i could ever justify. But he still wears his old, worn clothing that really needs to go... and doesn't want to shop for new clothes.

>>9732988
I bought him a $200 AUD gaming mouse, plus some sake and a little sake kit for his birthday (which was before mine) - and no, just because i did that i didn't expect him to buy me something equally as expensive, just something thoughtful. He doesn't really "have a budget", he still spends a lot of his mums money (which i dont really care about because i know its something she insists he does anyway) on takeout food, cinemas, pretty much anything online. And either way i dont really expect anything super expensive, in fact i don't even care if he doesn't ask me what i want - so long as he has an idea, the thought was there and i'm happy. But he "didn't really know what else to get me" even when he could've become familiar with LM, CC and such just through the constant exposure i gave him. Or better yet, asked.

>>9732830
I am trying to figure out the size thing after having my first child and wanting to have another in a couple years. I have been enjoying lolita so much that I bought a couple dresses specifically to wear while pregnant and was about to sell them but having a hard time giving them up. But then at the same time, I'm running out of closet space for main pieces and I want to keep getting new releases if possible, I am the anon from earlier who just got Mercator Antique Shop and I'm also interested in the Dozing Cat re-release. Wish I had a lolita friend to share dresses with, I joined a comm but missed the last event and there aren't any coming up

>>9733471
They know the brands, I'm just saying they're not popular

>>9733474
>I read online that everyone on 4chan is horrible, so I better act super edgy to fit in!
>i-if I call people newfags nobody will realise I'm new, r-right?!

New here, is there any list for good shops and stuff? US based would be nice.

>>9733531
>getting this worked up.
i'm not even the anon you replied to but holy shit they said 3 words.

>>9733574
there were a bunch of similar comments in the same writing style, I wouldn't have bothered if it was the only one in the thread. sage for OT.

>>9733563
http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/buying

>>9731630
I played in the snow, chased chickens, blew $300 on burando and now im finally home, sippin on some peach wine. Might try to daw some qt3.14's from the draw thread

>>9732545
>im not like other girls!

>>9733010
Actually that's an ICHIGO15 photo (which WW is a stockist for)

>>9733396
>playing kawaii uguu princess dress-up.
What exactly is this hobby again?

>>9733578
>every post that is written remotely similarly must be the same person

Take your meds.

>>9733396
This, and they don't care to do the research into anything.
When I first got into lolita in 2012, I got a feel for the market for pretty much all the brands, learned about popular prints and how their prices had fluctuated, researched old trends, etc.
I wanted to know everything I could.
Now the girls I meet are more worried about taking photos of their first coord or first meet up to post to social media. they seem to have such a shallow knowledge of and interest in the fashion.
idk maybe i'm just a crotchety old bird.

>>9733693
the reason they're acting that way is because it's the current state of ~lolita culture~ if you want to call it that. the majority of lolitas i know, most of which aren't complete newbs, do the same shit. hardly wear the fashion but spam social media when they do and don't care about most brands except the 1 or 2 they wear. the last part doesn't bother me though. why does it matter if a sweet doesn't care or know much about VM/MM/MmM releases? the other stuff is way more annoying.

>>9733646
or multiple idiot underage b8 on vacation from school, annoying to see in the thread either way

>>9733693
>>9733699
I find it odd that a lot of cgl likes to jump all over any social media whore they can dig up but then I see posts like this where they are trying their best to denounce social media whores.

You can't have your juicy drama without those lolcows. Either you want them to laugh at or you don't want them, which is it?

>>9732437

They complete their CC charges at the end of the month or something, I've actually received stuff from Tenso and then the charges went out the following month. I don't think the money is even there for you to spend, so far as I understand there's a hold on the funds, it's just not actually charged yet because some other red tape hasn't been properly completed.


>>9732538

Conventions. Lolitas at cons are generally more open to being photographed, not to mention the amount of coslitas who actively want to be photographed. Bonus: you can also take photos of cosplayers.

>>9733806
>/cgl/ is all one person
anon

>>9733699
> it's the current state of ~lolita culture~
Pretty sure it's the current state of Western culture in general anon.

>>9733837
your point? it's intensified by lolita being a materialistic pursuit so i think it's even worse in our community than it is in general

>>9733471
>>9733693
>>9733699
In my comm it seems to be a combination of 1) not caring about anything that isn’t hyped on social media and 2) being really insanely oversensitive and not wanting to even think about something that might dent their ego. The ones who do know about VM and MM also know that they’re notorious for being even smaller than most other lolita brands, who in their minds are unreasonably small to begin with (they’re not, but that’s “common knowledge”). So the minute someone brings up MM or VM someone else will be like “Um I could never fit those??” and derails the topic into body talk and how they shouldn’t be made to feel bad because they’re perfect the way they are and those stupid brands don’t make clothes for Real Women but they’re boring and overrated anyway abloobloobloo
It doesn’t matter if the person they’re talking to fits those brands or not, is wearing a piece, or if they were only talking about accessories, they are the Brands Who Should Not Be Named because their very existence hurts feelings. And you know what annoys me the most? Newbies are picking up on this and repeating it, even if they’re slender enough that they’d have no problem fitting VM or MM. They genuinely believe that any westerner would first need a double mastectomy and several ribs removed before they could even dream of fitting. I only own one VM main piece and few others in my comm do (most people here are very print-focused) so this is hard to disprove, but I’m still going to try. I needed more classic A-line in my closet anyway.

>>9733480
Stockholm

>>9733904
As a person who owns a decently large amount of VM, I've made it my personal mission to dispel that myth every time someone brings it up. Their unshirred pieces are on par with the sizing from the rest of the main brands and a lot of their shirred/free-size pieces are surprisingly roomy. My 100+ bust friend has a VM OP that she fits into very comfortably.

>>9733910
Modern VM is laughably huge. I just bought one of their new releases and was surprised to find out it had back shirring. Their waist standard waist also went up from something like 64 cm to around 71 cm in non-shirred pieces. I fit into their older pieces just right and am almost swimming in newer stuff. There is a huge difference.

>>9733641
It's My Culture, Not a Costume(TM)

>>9733233
Is the cross necklace from VM too? I'm desperately looking for a quality, non-tacky looking cross necklace

>>9733904
Agree people exaggerate how small they are, but being slim enough to fit it doesn't mean you fit the exact bust-waist proportions required to look good in an unshirred dress, or are the right height. Three girls in my comm bought classic VM/MM pieces and sold them due to poor overall fit, only me and one other girl wear VM. Their modern designs are bigger but it's their older designs that are iconic.

>>9733921
Is their shoulder measurement wider too? I've found that this is the main reason I can't wear VM's OPs and I'm eternally sad about it.

Aaaaah the sweet smell of drama in the morning. Very amused to notice 1500 new msgs in the vetting discord's cgl channel. Who else has their popcorn ready?

>>9733957
Ah caps pls!

>>9733693
Maybe we created that image for lolita by making communities for coord sharing, so they feel it's part of being a lolita to do that. On the other hand, we don't have any communities/Facebook groups for sharing GLB/magazine articles or for trades and that's maybe why you get lolitas utterly confused about how to trade.

>>9733947
It's a good thing they keep rereleasing their designs

>>9733970
I never said anything about trades. Trades already happen here, on fb sales groups, on LM, etc.
Saying that we don't have any communities for sharing GLB/magazine stuff or non-coord stuff is ridiculous.
On top of the old guard (LJ, CGL), fb groups like Rufflechat, aminos, etc. all exist, too.

I agree that there's a lot more emphasis on image/having an impressive wardrobe now more than when I first got into it, and I think that's part of the problem.

>>9733699
I agree that the other stuff is more annoying, but it's stupid and annoying for people to call themselves "die hard lolitas" (from my comm) when they know jack shit about anything older than 2015 or not from their favorite brand.
I'm not saying you have to know everything, but if you claim to be a super big fan of lolita, at least try to learn the basic history and brands.

>>9733992
No you didn't say anything about that, but I think the Facebook groups play a part in how new lolitas experience it and what they see as important. So if there isn't a Facebook group for it, it's not an important part of being a lolita. The most active groups are rufflechat (not the same as egl lj at all) and CoF. Why would they look up history stuff or indie brands? We learned about the background of lolita fashion on lj because people posted about that and because there were people sharing new and old content (scans and translations).

>>9733970

Old egl actually used to discuss GLB articles, and someone once posted Angelic Pretty's first appearance in Spoon magazine as it was unusual. This continued even after replica-chans caused egl to ban sharing images/scans from GLB, even that didn't stop the information sharing and discussion aspect.

It just never really made the leap across to normiebook, but then I'm not really surprised. The fucked up algorithm means even if you share something but time your post wrong it'll get buried under other more popular posts. So instead of putting effort into translating a whole GLB article that might not even get seen, it's easier to post a bunch of photos of brand spreads and let people upvote empty pretty pictures.

>>9733996
A few lolitas who used share a lot of new content just never joined the Facebook groups

>>9733957
>>9733967
I wouldn't know where to start. Tldr a seemingly sweet girl stayed up late to start drama and got caught in a lie.

>>9733957#
>>9733967#
I wouldn't know where to start. In short, a seemingly sweet girl stayed up late to start drama and got caught in her own web of lies.

>>9733998

The lolitas who used to share new content weren't always the same ones. New girls should have popped up that were willing to share newer content, the same way lolitas are always looking for new stuff to share on youtube or on their blogs.

Normiebook just makes all of that difficult, it's a microblogging platform so writing a full translation or an explanation of emerging trends is difficult. Then the algorithm pushes all your hardwork into a corner because it doesn't sell them ad revenue, or it shows up as a cut-off article in someone else's feed that they skim over because it doesn't have photos. Face it, normiebook as a platform is pretty much fostering shallow emptiness all around. It's just that other hobbies still have dedicated forums to fall back on, we've got a mostly dead livejournal no one bothers with.

>>9734006
invite link?

>>9734016
>>9734016
I can only speak for myself and my friend but we hate facebook mainly because there is no anonymity at all. Posting things to facebook in such a niche hobby means everyone will know your real name, which town you live in and what you look like. It wasn't ALWAYS the same people sharing scans on lj but a lot of them were. Besides that, livejournal is still the best plastform for scans and translations for many more reasons.
I've posted a couple of translations on cgl but there is so much negativity and fake people here, I never stay for long. I've seen people on here ask for translations, and they get shot down with ''stop acting so entitled!!''.

>>9734026
>>9734016
Yeah, I personally don't contribute to the FB groups because I don't like it tied to my everyday life account. At least a lot of the groups are "closed" now so that when I like a post it doesn't show up in my uncle's feed, but fuck man...

I also don't like trying to do things because I've seen it bite people in the ass. I don't need some anon digging through my online history to find that I drank a beer once in 2012 so that they can try to come and rip me a new asshole.
The only reason I keep facebook is to keep in contact with family. I really wish my relatives would just download line or whatsapp.

>>9734026
Can you post your translations on a platform like blogspot? Speaking for myself, I'd be really interested in checking out a blog with translations of new and old content.

>>9733932
Thanks for the meme comment

>>9733828
I'm just observing what I see posted here all the time.

>>9734060
>Either you want them to laugh at or you don't want them, which is it?
the answer: there's more than one person on /cgl/ who want different things. it's not that complicated anon.

>>9734033
>I don't like it tied to my everyday life account
I made a new account just for my jfash and lolita groups. It feels so much better to post without worrying about anything.

>>9734070
Yet everyone here shares the same opinions about fatties and itas and everyone spews the same memes on repeat.

I'm aware that literally thousands of people post here. But god damn do a lot of them sound the same.

>>9733785
>maybe if I use enough buzzwords I'll sound cool enough to not look crazy

>>9734053
NAYRT, but I've posted translations before, and they've generated very little interest. I mostly do them for my own practice, and there's little incentive for me to post them when at most I'm going to get someone nitpicking my word choice on /cgl/.
Maybe I'm jaded, but I don't feel like the online community is worth as much of my time and effort now. With that said, I do try to fulfill a request here now and again.

>>9734083
>thousands of people
>108 posters
A Lolita general thread on cgl stays up for days and still has less people in it than the average rufflechat blog post

>>9734085
Inb4 someone apologizes that you were posted

>>9734083
>p-people agree on some things so they HAVE to agree on everything
anon

>>9734089
Anons come and go quite a bit. 1000 people actually isn't that much and I meant on the board. If every thread has 100+ posters than there's a good chance1000 some people come here and post at least once.

Don't forget all the cross boarders we get.

>>9734093
So which is it for you since you seem to be hellbent that you and other anons are so special and unique? Do you want the lolcows to exist or don't you?

>>9734086
I just wish someone would post them to lj or somewhere else where they're easy to find. I've read some translations here but the only ones I can still find now are the Soft Lolita one and the Metamorphose designer interview, and that's only because someone re-posted them on tumblr. Don't know what to look for in the archive to find other translations. It's such a waste.

>>9734089
NAYRT but if we're going to be accurate and logical about this.

Taking into account the cosplayers, people who lurk, and people who come here on a very infrequent basis it probably does add up to thousands on /cgl/ as a board. Then add in the fact that it's the holiday season and that people are likely with family doing things etc.

>>9734078
How did you manage to do that? I made a new account once but after a while it got blocked and it asked for a varification of my passport (I guess someone reported me for my name being fake) and I was like wtf no thanks.

What really sucks is that you can't even anonymously lurk in groups. It once happened to me that a secret group that I was part of was suggested to one of my working collegues. I have my friendlist setted as private and my friends still get suggested to everyone. I can't even consider of adding lolita friends to my normie account, it sucks balls.

>>9734095
>So which is it for you
I don't give a single fuck about the lolcows. I'm here for the lolita discussion. Also, I never said anons are special and unique, I implied you're an idiot for asking an either or question when there are tons of anons with different opinions that happen to overlap at times.

>>9734117
I'm really not sure how I managed to slip by. My second account still has a very realistic name, and I set everything to private at first so people wouldn't be sus of an account with no friends. After joining and talking in groups I added some people and now my account looks normal and legit with friends and photos, just a slightly different name and all lolita and jfash related.

>>9734121
>I implied you're an idiot for asking an either or question when
>an either
Yea ok

>>9734086
>>9734096
Adding to this, if there are things you want translated, please, for the love of Mana-Sama, post high quality scans/photos. My Japanese is decent and my research skills even better, but nothing will help decipher some pixelated blob that's supposed to be two 14-stroke kanji. If you can't get a good read in one scan or photo, take multiple.

>>9734135
not that anon but idgi. are you saying "an either or question" is improper grammar? also kek at you not replying to anything they said because you know you're in the wrong.

>>9732538
It's contextual. Usually I say no, because it pisses me off. I'm usually trying to get somewhere, or me and my comm are doing something, and it's just bloody annoying. At a con, however, I'll most likely say yes, unless I'm eating.

>>9734156
Please tell me what "asking for an either" is.

Sorry but if someone isn't coherent then they aren't really worth listening to.

>>9734159
http://www.yourdictionary.com/either-or

i take it english isn't your first language

>>9734162
But that isn't the part where anon messed up. They said I was asking an either or a question.

An either WHAT or a question. What is the other thing anon?

>>9734163
>trying to sound smart but not knowing what an either or question is
anon. when you said
>either you want them to laugh at you or you don't want them
that's an either or question. either this OR that. what is reading comprehension? what is grade school? there is no other thing. either or is related to your question alone.

>>9734167
Yeah they forgot their quotation marks making it look like an incomplete sentence.

>>9734162
Ntayrt but English is my third language and I even I know what "an either or" means and how much of a fallacy it is in this situation. Please don't compare literal retards to those who aren't native English speakers. They're likely a troll anyways, since nobody can be that stupid from the start.

>>9734175
At this point, I am sure you are not being serious. In the event you are not a troll, you should learn to understand quotation marks weren't needed in that context and study harder.

>>9734117
I also have a second Facebook account. I notified my comm and added them all. I used my real first name, but changed the spelling of my last name. So far, no issues.

>>9734053
Seconding this. I would also be highly interested.

>>9734175
>they forgot their quotation marks
they weren't quoting anything anon. they didn't need quotation marks. we've been using them, because we are quoting what they said. it seems to me like you're the only one who didn't understand, which is funny since you're trying so hard to look smart.

>>9734175
You don't even use quotation marks for that... you say either/or question. But it's easy to understand even without the dash.

>>9734078
I made a new account with my real name, changed my old one to a fake "real" name (Ashley Smith, Brittany Holmes etc type name) and wa la bitches. Sprinkling salt guy.jpg. No need to verify anything and just explained to my normie friends and family that my new profile was my professionally focused one for family and employers to look at

Does anyone know any good smaller lolita youtube channels?

>>9734251
I like Milkbox and Princess Fancypants.

https://www.youtube.com/user/shockingpinkz
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9hTJkLLk1YvAaOhp56KZ8Q

With Swimmer and Heart E gone, what are some other Japanese webshops to get affordable accessories?

>>9734135
Idiot confirmed.

>>9734275
wego

>>9733005
YOU CANT IGNORE THIS NEWS

>>9734159
>>9734163
>trying to call someone esl when you don't even know what an either or question is
pretty hilarious when people make themselves look this stupid

Why doesnt AP have sale like literally every other store in Paris?

Does anyone have worn pictures of Westerners wearing AP printed tights/socks? I'm always afraid my thick calves will distort the print

>>9733005
I don't even like pink or their wa cut and I want this, gods.

>>9734375
I don't have any pictures, but I am a fatty-chan who owns many AP socks, and it really depends on the pattern and the shape of your calf.

Vertical patterns that are just on the side of the socks, or patterns that are mostly focused on the ankle (like their boot patterned socks) work well for me, because my ankles are narrower. I tend to stay away from all-over prints like polkadots, because the pattern gets really stretched out in an unflattering way.

>>9734375
anon, it's not about whether you're western or asian. Brand socks and tights only look good if you have thin legs, end of story.

How long do you gulls think is too long to wait for a seller to send an invoice? Obviously people will be slower right now due to holidays which is understand. But last week I bought something from a seller and they haven't invoiced me or read my message. Should I be worried? I'm so used to sellers invoicing the same or next day so this is a little weird to me.

>>9734375
I can take pics of a couple of prints later if you would like. Can you drop an email or should I post here? I don't want people to shit on me, I have pretty thick calves even though I run a lot and never do calf raises at the gym

>>9734377
Same I hate pink but this shade is very mature and appealing to me

Does anyone know how often Victorian Maiden restock? There are two hats I wanted from them, but the colorways I'm interested in are sold out.

Goddamn it you guys. Machine washed and dried my mlt petti like I always do and the machine destroyed it somehow this time

There goes another 50$ I didn't need to spend. And I bought a Malco Modes super cheap but apparently western large is fucking whale sized, I'm trying to sew it smaller but my sewing machine is broken and I'm having a really hard time

>>9734501
did you even read their measurements senpai? i always get the XS and even that goes up to a pretty big size

>>9734514
I bought it on eBay thinking I could sew it smaller not realizing just how big western fatties actually are. I thought extra petti material would create more poof but it's just a nightmare trying to get it evenly spread out on a human size waistband

holy shit gulls is this princess doll lunaria? the girl infamous for self posting and samefagging nearly an entire thread on lolcow? doesn't surprise me she's trying to become a lolita now.

>>9734527
what the fuck is this hot garbage and why are you shitting up the thread with it ?

>>9734527
the one and only! where was this posted, cof or amino?? she tried to be a lolita back then too but failed miserably.

>>9734527
Why do I have an odd suspicion Luna posted this herself.

>>9734531
Ntayrp but I saw this on CoF. I've also seen her post on amino too, recently. This brings back memories.

>>9734527
Yikes do you think she's also the one who posted >>9728935 ?

>>9734471
Try sending them an email about it? AFAIK, if enough people are interested in a restock, they tend to restock right away. Or else, look at Lolibrary and see how often they re-release that particular item. They're pretty regular.

>>9734527
Who is this? Someone feed a starving seagull some drama.

>>9734501
You really ought to be laundry bagging your stuff before washing it anon.

>>9734539
google "lolcow princess doll" enjoy the old milk

>>9734536
wouldn't surprise me if she was

>>9734538
Oh okay, thank you! I think one of the items is one of their staples, but I'm not sure about the other one. Do you know if it's okay to email them in english?
Sorry if it seems like I'm asking for spoonfeeding. I'm just new to how VM works.

>>9734548
>princess doll
my favourite indie brand

>>9734542
I will have to get one, I've been washing stuff for years without it and never had anything bad happen before. I am so mad, when I went to get a new petticoat it is actually like 100$ after shipping for the level of poof I want

>>9734568
I think it's better to email them in Japanese, not sure if they even speak English. Or try to get an SS to enquire for you? (since you'll probably need one to buy it anyways)

>>9734568
Honestly, I'm not sure. I think they'll prefer you to email them in Japanese. You can type a section in English and include a Google translate of your request in Jap, then tag on a "I cannot speak Japanese, I used Google translate."

If the item is still in the web store, I'll recommend you ask them whether the item is in stock or not, since they ask that you do that on their webpage. Otherwise, just indicate your interest in purchasing the item if they re-release it. After that, add a line at the end that you are looking forward to continue supporting them in the future.

You can also add another line that you are from x country and like their products, but this is entirely optional. Flatter, but don't go overboard with the flattery.

>>9734191
Quotation marks are used for more than just quoting things anon.

New bread: >>9734677

>>9734675
>>9734678
Convenient

>>9734275
Heart E was a kind of shitty lolita brand, not anything to do with cute accessories or goods

>>9735055
I got lots of nice cheap accessories there and they have done some nice solid dresses too