/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Seems they learned their lesson from the last one with skin disease.

>>9723135
for someone who would like to wear a suit like a filthy gaijin instead of only for photoshoots, is there a way to get better visibility on heads with widely-set eyes?

>>9723757
Go for perforated aluminium eyes like most japanese makers do nowadays.

oh, we're back! nice!

>>9724022
these are tirol/chocolate styled eyes with window foil that you attached to your post though

>>9724022
>>9724273
ohwait im stupid, they also put perforated screen behind it? Pretty neat that the lens on top obscures nearly all the texture of the perforated aluminium!

So furfags I finally ordered my first suit and I'm wondering what's the best way to store it. I don't have a lot of room for one of those fabric wardrobes but I certainly don't want the fur getting creased. Any ideas for those of us with limited space?

Can somebody explain the appeal of these things?
Doesn't it get hot in those?

I want to know more about this

>>9724464
Why do people enjoy dressing in skimpy clothing? Isn't it borderline freezing while wearing virtually nothing?
Same reason, because they enjoy dressing up as things. The thing they enjoy dressing up as happens to be furry (literal definition, not subculture).

>>9724474
Thank you

>>9724464
Because it's fun! I know there's a whole escapism culture and getting to be someone/something else for a day, but that exists in every hobby. Really it's no different from any other elaborate costume. There's an element of performance to wearing a Fursuit where you need to really exaggerate your movements so it actually shows underneath all that fur, that's a fun challenge like entering a cosplay competition performance but on a less stressful basis.

I do it because I love being fluffy and cute for a while instead of a boring ass office worker who has to conform to society. But I also like the social aspect and the art elements. Overall the fun outweighs the negative and I'm always capable of taking a god damn shower after wearing a hot costume.

>>9724275
>they also put perforated screen behind it
...no, the eyes themself are the perforated aluminium.

I want to do this even though I have no experience or tools haha.

>>9724444
I store mine in a plastic bin
but if you ever get more room, pic related is ideal.

>>9724464
cute and fun
same appeal as weebs like cosplayin for, really!

>>9724515
There’s lots of tutorials to get you started

>>9724444
I store the body in a wedding gown storage case, the rest just lies in boxes but some Arriba Cases DJ travel bags are perfect for traveling with heads.
http://hyo105.main.jp/archives/493..

Checked the tutorial link and previous threads but didn't find an answer to this. Aside from local shops and Joann Fabrics, where do most suiters buy their foam? Specifically lightweight, springy stuff that is better for tails. For some reason I'm having trouble finding suppliers with posted prices, or forum posts that aren't 5+ years old.

>>9725319
You can get foam from pretty much every home improvement store.

Also:
North America Sources
http://www.foamandfoam.com/
http://www.foambymail.com/
https://www.foamexpress1.com/
http://www.foamforyou.com/
http://www.joann.com/
http://www.outdoorfabricscanada.com/…
http://www.thefoamfactory.com/
Europe Sources
http://www.hornbach.at/ - http://www.hornbach.de/
http://www.obi.at/ - http://www.obi.de/
http://www.anyfoam.co.uk/
http://www.boyes.co.uk/ -A number of shops through the UK called "Boyses".
http://efoam.co.uk/
http://www.reupholsterybycampbells.com/… -A shop in Birmingham.
http://www.thefoamshop.co.uk/
http://stores.ebay.com/upholsteryan…
Australia Sources
http://www.flexfoam.com.au/
http://www.rochefoam.com/
Asia Sources
http://www.sevensea.com.hk/
https://farelawn.tmall.com/

>>9724497
shit man i need that printer

>>9725178
damn I need to invest in one of those cases for long distance travel

I'm half tempted about buying a premade head/partial from Lemonbrat but I hear so many conflicting reviews about the quality. I do like some of their suits a lot but on the other hand many others suffer from some sort of "Joker Smile" with the mouth.
What do you guys think about Lemonbrat suits?

>>9726222
they've been brought up a bit here, some good, some bad.. but really, if you like the premade, get it.
their quality is actually very nice, i have a suit from them from '16. lots of visibility and the ventilation is great too. they're roomy enough to fit glasses as well as a small fan.
the sizing is pretty universal for their head bases. it has an elastic band on the inside to keep it on nice n tightly.

while i do love my head from them, it does look very bobble-heady if you're on the smaller side.
pic related is my lb head (rest not by them)
i did edits to my head to remove the bumps that a lot of the canine heads have around the smile (which really is what kills a lot of the heads for em) and I also added eyelids

>>9726222
Imo if you have any doubts you shouldn't buy. It's such a huge investment to be disappointed with.

>>9726966
Is that a large suit or a tiny dog?

>>9726973
Considering it was made by Mochiri, the sooner.

I really like christmas themed fursuits that aren't too obvious so they still can be worn all year.

Why do some suits get so high? Is it just so you can own a suit from someone popular? Is it because they hope that by owning the suit they will become friends with the popufur people who also own suits from the maker and they are buying their way into a "furry family"???

Quality aside it is just a really plain Reindeer. Cute for sure but it doesn't exactly stick out. Not to say a suit has to be sixteen colors a la a donut steel deviantart OC but almost 6k for this feels crazy.

>>9728651
It’s the maker. Phoenix Nest is very popular (used to be phoenixwolffursuits), they made Telephone the Angel Dragon’s suit, and their queue is normally really full.

So for some it’s a chance to get a suit from a maker they dream of. Others it’s a chance at popularity. This company is the one that made Sniper, the DAD suit that sold for $11k

>>9728605
I'm hoping my bori will be like that next year

I really like that Snow Angel (Beulah Yvette) is an artist for Furstar these days, I always liked her designs.

Furstar's suits are so cute but the limited fur color palette is a bummer

>>9730618
I agree but they're a really nice option for westerners wanting a kemo suit still

>>9730618
This is what puts me off buying one desu. They can do other colors by airbrushing white but it looks terrible and wouldn't last any serious suiter.

>>9729634
Anyone can be an artist for Furstar, I've asked in the past. They'll even pay for designs sometimes if they like em. It's just some artists are more reoccurring than others, like Ichihi lol

>>9731076
I know but I am surprised as she is a chinese artist but then again, Furstar seems to be really popular with chinese furs (likely why they added a chinese option recently).

>>9731036
>but it looks terrible
Looks fine to me.

I am surprised they haven't looked into Rit DyeMore, it's available in Japan (even on Amazon.co.jp with free shipping) and it is the best option for permanently dying fur.

>>9731100
dropped my pic

why are fursuits so typically fat and stocky? Are the only people who do fursuiting just not into lither anthro designs?

>>9731341
It's easier to shape with added mass than it is shaping skin tight. Plus off the shelf 4 way stretch fur isn't much of a thing in western markets for whatever reason.

>>9731102
No that looks terrible. It's really patchy and uneven in places. It works for smaller areas but that's more than half the suit. It Just looks messy and a nightmare to maintain.

>>9731393
>No that looks terrible. It's really patchy and uneven in places.
But that's is how the semi-realistic fur pattern of the character looks? Why should accuracy be terribe?

>>9731102
I don't even like most furry porn but some of the shapely fursuits look really great for a snuggle

>>9723135

>>9723131
SuitChat is now live on discord! ugnDY6K

>>9731076
are the suits all done by amanojaku?

>>9731548
Yes but the team member in charge varies depending on who is best for the art style (pic related).

>>9731341
It's also for mobility and breathability. If you've cosplayed or worn something skin tight and run around it all day, you get sweaty and hot really fast with no way to really ventilate.

>>9731546
is this a different one from our main discord?

>>9731546
This is just a shitposting group, not related to furries in the slightest. Don't waste your time joining.

>>9726222
The lime green on the mouth area is throwing me off. Looks cute

>>9727172
Cute suit ugly colors. That brown really.

>>9732612
It's orange

>>9732617
I think that anon means the hair.

>>9737705
It was fun to watch getting made, it is by the same guy that does the Kemono workshops in China.

>>9723135
Seems like the trainees still have issues with shaving.

>>9740254
K-line suits just look weird to me. I think the fur length used is pretty bad, at least how it’s implemented.

>introduced to realistic suitmaker by man who turns out to be a 40+ year old rambling atheist who has a transformation fetish
>maker is nice at first, makes good suits
>maker begins acting weird, getting pissy when I question the logic behind fursuiting at a children’s playground—with children and their parents present—without a handler
>mentions offhand she would have been accepted into MIT for biology if she didn’t have shitty parents
>I begin to see her fanboys say she’s the one suitmaker around who makes realistic suits properly “everyone else does it wrong”
>She accuses me of trying to steal her ideas when I try shopping around with my ref to different makers
>mentions her otherkin boyfriend’s fursona alteration as if it’s a magical event and says her fursona species is sacred to them—though she says she’s an atheist
>this was prompted by me asking a suitmaking question, which somehow offended her and knowledge of said fursona is “not shared to those with only idle interest”
>am freaked the fuck out by her, but decide to push her buttons to see what happens, so I try subtweeting about the most vague and inconsequential things related to fursuiting
>say essentially “you don’t need a fursuit, it’s just a luxury costume”
>am blocked from all her social media within 24 hours
>learn later she resold a cancelled, unfinished commission to her patreon followers while blocking the original customer from her twitter, all after the customer asked about the procject which had been dragged out for 6 years
>also accused another customer of stealing their unfinished head commission from her studio years back
>still has a following and other suitmakers are friends with her
Why do they get away with shit like this?

>>9740468
>Why do they get away with shit like this?
Furries aren't the most mentally stable people

>>9723131
I just wanted to let others in the community know, but there's a newer chan style board, Crystal.cafe that has it's own /cgl/ board, and doesn't appear to be biased against fursuiting or fursuiters.

Anyone here ever ordered faux fur from Aliexpress/Alibaba? Any good listings, bad quality?

This is a sacrilegious comment, but a lot of suitmakers majorly overcharge for their work. In the past, I’ve had suitmakers say to my face that they “take offense” to being accused of such, and that fursuits are better-made than Disney or pro-mascots and are still underpriced.
As if some generic, one-color plantigrade dog head man suit is worth 3k+. They just don’t want to admit the price is due to demand for the product, not skill or materials cost. I mean, if I were to pay 5k+ for a suit, I would expect to have a custom headbase made for my suit. For the same amount of money you could commission a pro-mascot company and get a more custom product. So as consumers it’s important to check which makers are really worth the price and which are selling the costume equivalent of pre-distressed designer blue jeans.
Also, pro-mascot companies don’t “open for commissions to be started in two years”.

>>9741825
This is not to say that there aren’t suitmakers who do great work, of course. It’s just that some are overhyped.

>>9741825
>a lot of suitmakers majorly overcharge for their work.
It's not really overcharging if chumps are willing to pay, now is it?

>>9741847
True. Maybe it’s undercharging, actually. Best way to go about it: have a massive backlog that you maintain by adding onto it (opening for commisisons not to be even started in the same year as the opening, you just want that downpayment). Then, you have a “rare commission slot for this-year’s completion,” effectively cutting in line the backlog, but only if you pay 10k after a bidding war with other shmucks. Do this a few times a year, make bank. (Also never finish the backlog)

>>9741859
>Also never finish the backlog

>backlog
>getting finished
lol

>>9741861
That sweet downpayment money is how suitmakers make a living, not the commissions and payment plans themselves, lol. To be honest, becoming a suitmaker or furry artist or whatever as a primary occupation is fucking stupid. Even if you find a bunch of rubes who will pay 5k for a basic suit, you aren’t going to have a comfy lifestyle (or even have enough time to improve your art skills) due to the low income. It’s only when you have a good system going that it will work. I think they jump into the game too early.

This will be my suit project this year. I want to make Renamon in this style.

>>9741868
Well Renamon and a Sergal with armor.

First of the "flower" Showcase is done, they indeed use the Rufen headbase model (and the person modeling it is obviously smaller than the owner).

>>9742066

>>9742073
Because japanese are dwarves, of course this happens when some 148cm girl wears the suit of a 190cm 'murican dude.

>>9742077
i think anon was just pointing out it looks like shit
having a thin neck flap with short pile fur looks preeeeeeeeetty bad

>>9742078
That's why you are supposed to tuck it in, I suppose it was quick shots for the owners as always.

>>9742081
^^

>>9742081
I hope they do tuck them in yeah, i really dislike the flaps on k-line suits. Before I always thought it was a part of the suit and you're supposed to leave it like that.

>>9742077
on a side note, those nose seams look awful.

>>9742124
A good way to deal with this would be to have the head fur snap to the neck or something. there would be no flap.

>>9742081
if it was supposed to be tucked in why is it so large? I don't think it was intended to be tucked in desu.

>>9742314
probably just rushed

>>9742128
The seams are the same every fursuit got but the trainees decided to do a quick photoshoot with the new finished suits and the fur is brushed all over the place from touching.

>>9742314
>>9742314
Also height difference to the actual owner who is a very..."broad" guy shoulder wise (pic related).

>>9742340
i cant believe people paid over 3k for these

>>9742381
That's tame considering there are lots of western makers that do LOT worse and cost more.

>>9742381
The future owner of the purple one paid about the same for this by a western maker, just saying.

>>9742397
Maker of that one is https://twitter.com/ArtemisBobcat/ btw.

>>9723131
just wanna say i visited this exact cafe just to see the kemono fursuiter but they weren't there that day or something. we saw the suit sitting at a table with nobody inside...the only ones there were a couple cyclops girls. we were too shy to ask where tsukiyo was but maybe we should've...about a week or two after we left we heard the place was closing for good. super sad!

>>9742394
Yep
>>9741825
>>9741859
>>9741867
But don’t ever say this stuff on a public account or you’ll be pretty much blacklisted as a customer.

>>9742095
the nose looks weirdly small
>>9742066
the head looks to small on this one
>>9742397
eyes look wonky on this one and the hands lazy.
Off topic, I have a friend who is terrified of fursuits (not the people in them, but the sizes of the head reminds her of nightmares she has.) I had to let her hide her face against me when they'd get close, but what really pissed me off is when they noticed she was bothered and would hover around her more on purpose. If you notice you scare/bother someone, move the fuck on please.

>>9742466
The cafe didn't close but they are searching for a bigger, better location and do popup ones in the meanwhile.

>>9742567
where can i get one of the cyclops masks ;-;

>>9742575
From Ozawa when she is open, commissions are 130.000yen
http://dango0zawa.jugem.jp/?eid=179

>>9742471
ugh that sounds so inconsiderate. it's not hard to tell when someone is uncomfortable and if someone is deliberately trying to hide away from you it's clear that you should go elsewhere.

>>9742471
Many furries are absolute sperglords who want to shove their “furry pride” in everyone’s faces. They think their pro mascots and can cheer up kids everywhere, when they can come off as pedophiles.

why are western fursuits so fucking ugly

>>9742830
it's all somebody's style anon
the left is also a 'western fursuit', that's legit just her improving between years.

western suits can look good, and also look bad
same can be said for eastern suits.

>>9742846
left is also a hell of a lot more kemono influenced

>>9742847
i mean yeah, but it's still made by a western suit maker. using a couple year old suit compared to a more recent suit made by the same person to reference to point out 'ugly' western suits is kinda silly

>>9742849
how about this then?

>>9742830
The original corndog (the western one) was made in 2012, while the kemono one was made in 2016. That’s four years between style and work. I’d understand comparing the two if they were made within the same year buuuut yknow lol.

Unfortunately the dude who bought the OG suit has taken poor care of her, she’s in some rough shape now. I think he keeps trying to sell it. He has a habit of buying a bunch of suits and neglecting them

>>9742852
Sorry, didn’t see >>9742846 or >>9742849
When I was typing my response. Apologies for reitirating the point

>>9742851
both are cute though! so nitpicky. there's plenty of adorable western suits

some western suits are cute, I just really don't like the generic looking ones with box snouts and a forced-grin that're popular

>>9742862
Different anon but yeah!
Besides, I understand why people would prefer the style of the kemono fursuits but wearing them is not easy as compared to a western style suit. A western fursuit is way better for casual/long term wear. Air flow and less padding (unless a person pursues a plush-style suit or something really exaggerated). Plus more room for a fan

>>9742868
that doesn't make them 'so fuckin' ugly' like anon said though! i also agree that the basic madefuryou, firestormsix, onefurall generic suits really don't look as amazing as they're hyped up to be- but there's definitely some great western suits and suit makers out there that go a little out of the basic cookie cutter design.

>JMoF is tomorrow
>no mentions of it itt

>>9742875

>>9742876

>>9742877

>>9742875
It started already lol. Pics are popping up on Twitter as we speak

>>9742878

>>9742881

>>9742883

>>9742886

So I'm completely new to fursuiting, and I was wondering: what do you guys think about people buying major premade parts and building up from there?

I've found a base skull by DreamVisions Creations and I absolutely love it, and since making base skulls is out of my ability, it's a perfect way for me to be able to get what I want; I like doing the painting and putting on fur and small details more than I like building the base.

Would I sorta be viewed down because of this? I know I would obviously have to credit DVC for the base skull, which I have no issue doing, but I'm just worried about being judged harshly for not making every piece of my head.

>>9743090
Oh yeah that's totally a normal method! most suits you see around aren't made by the person wearing it

I know a least a dozen fursuit makers longer into it as business so idk what they are talking about.

>>9743174
has latinvixen even done anything recently
I only know her for Natalie lol

>>9743180
>>9743174
she runs mixedcandy, she's done a shit ton

>>9743180
The usual bedroom eyes sameface ones en masse but with more fetish gear, she is only active on Twitter irc.

>>9743189
That.. wasn't intended as fetish gear though

>>9742849
That would also be like posting this.

>>9743197
god I love her latest suit, its so cute

>>9743197
hey if more people gravitate towards the cute kemo style I'm all for it

>not too interested in fursuits, see a few that I really like but honestly can't imagine spending so much money on something I would probably never wear irl
>decide to join a few FB sell groups just in case anything pops up
>first post is a partial head+paws+tail that I immediately fall in love with
>$400
>already messaged the seller to see if it's still available

And here I thought I'd never buy one.

So many beginner suits at JMOF this year.

>>9743657

>>9743661

>>9743664

>>9743667

>>9743657
aw I appreciate their enthusiasm nonetheless

>>9743672

>>9743679

>>9743680

>>9743681
There was a wedding btw.

>>9743682

>>9743683

>>9743685

>>9743687
Also a shitload of rushed K-Line cats running around, someone tell them to add studs for the sleeves in the future when going seal fur.

>>9743688
Because that looks like done by a newbie this way.

>>9743689
I mean, even the newbie in >>9743685 worked better with that material.

Complete newbie.

I am absolutely in love with a bunch of suits on Furstar. Does anyone know how long it takes to have a suit made by some of the creators (asking for any, as a general guide) also if any might do payment plans? Or would I just be better saving up a whole 4k and paying in full?

>>9743707
I don't think there is any japanese maker that accepts payment plans, you pay a deposit right when you order and the rest when they are done. Amanojaku/Furstar only needs about two months once they start but when they start depends on their amount of orders before you but is usually about a half year in total.

>>9743728
As someone who has ordered from them off of Furstar in the past-
They do take payment plans. I did a lump sum myself so I wouldn’t have think about/forget a payment but they do not mind payment plans.

Check their website, Atoama.jp (or just google Atelier Amanojaku, their company name.) to see where you would be in the queue; example, right now the expected delivery date is July. So they would start working in May or June. Mind you, delivery date sometimes just means when the suit is finished, not actually sent out.

Here is my experience!
>Ask them to hold design for me in September or November (cant remember. design had not be adopted in months so I didn’t think they minded)
>Officially order suit late november (2016)
> Discuss payment plan/when I can pay
>Am sent packet featuring fur choices for character, the payment quotation, and a little book about their company all within a folder
>Pay off in December
>They disappear, tell me they will message when they begin
>March rolls around, production has begun.
>Suits “delivery date” was in April,
>Receive suit early May.

I will warn you they don’t really do WIPs. For me they sent me one of the finished body, and then one of the finished head. Then they asked me if I wanted any small alterations and changes. Once the suit is confirmed A-OK they send it over! Ships fast too. Expect 1-2 big boxes

>>9743683
so cute

>>9743775
The suit I want is $4500, which is why I ask. How much did you put down first? And how much did you pay as you went, if you can remember.

>>9744025
Like I mentioned in the beginning of the post, I did a lump sum.
I didn't have to do a deposit. We discussed the payment, I told em that I'd rather do it all at once and to hold it for me and they did. So I saved up and paid her off all at once.

Honestly you can just discuss and plan it out with them, they're really chill and don't mind. I know another anon was going to do payment plans (they cancelled) and they talked it over too

>>9743682
>Sir_Bearington_Marries_His_Waifu.jpg

>>9744025
I bought one off of Furstar too, and they offered to let me make up to 12 payments. But as their atoama.jp site says, it must be paid for in full before they will start making it.

>>9744081
I'm sure you were the anon I was talking about previously
but yeah, forgot about that. No work starts till they get the bank, which is honestly why I did the lump sum payment. Just seemed to work out easier

how do I see past suits on furstar? I just see character designs

>>9744083
That was my first post in the thread, so you may have me confused for someone else, sorry.

>>9744086
Their Twitter is probably the best place to look:

https://twitter.com/amanojaku_j

Or the gallery if you don't mind moon runes (there's no English version that I can find):

https://atoama.jp/gallery.php

>>9744089
No problem! I helped an anon on here order a suit so I thought you were the same one

>>9744086
adding on from above anon's post,

https://twitter.com/amanojaku_e (essentially has the same posts as the japanese twitter, just yknow in english)

http://atelieramanojaku.tumblr.com/ (hasn't been updated in a while but also has photos)

>>9744089
>>9744093
thank you!

>>9743689
omg the paws are so bad

>>9744097
I am not even sure why it is the only one with that issue because the other cats's paws look fine, maybe they let a new trainee do that.

>>9744192
hoooow did that go past quality assurance
(ha, kline having QA.. right)

>>9742867
Super cute!

>>9744291
I can imagine people being super annoying to get something right in time for the con, they don't even care if the quality will be less as long as they can attention whore around with their ~brand new fursuit~.

Pretty sure that's not how abs work but it was one of the winners of the JMOF fursuit design contest either way.

>>9744392

Seems like he lost a lot of weight as he sure didn't have the same sleeve issue as K-Line when Amanojaku made him in 2015.

>>9744400
RIP thickness 2015-2017.

>>9743570
post it!

>>9743690
the proportions to the left are so bad...>>9743690

there aren't very many reptile-looking reptile suits but this one did it very well I think

I forgot the source though ;_;

>>9744615

>>9744582
That's because the owner got wierd proportions

It is for sale.
https://twitter.com/kurondou/status/949910386622439425

>>9744615
Yes! This was a sungazer lizard made by Beastcub. The story is kind of sad. Mordrude the cuntssmith was commissioned years ago for a realistic version. A fullsuit of the customer’s business mascot and fursona. Well, 5 years go by and Mordrude goes theough her “woe is me I am a struggling genius” shtick and the customer is told the suit is cancelled (Mordrude says it’s because the suit remids her too much of her ex...). So she only partially refunds the customer, refuses to give her the unfinished parts, and resells the parts to her patreon cult. Then she blocked the customer on all forms of social media. Tha customer was out a bit of money, and Mordrude got away with it because I think she has big-name friends.
Fortunatey, the customer was able to find another maker to have her character suit become a reality. So there was a happy ending, at least!

>>9744677
>Fortunatey, the customer was able to find another maker to have her character suit become a reality.
Are there pictures out there of the original commissioners recommissioned suit for comparison?

>>9744694
Well the beastcub above is the recommissioned suit. I’d have to dig up pics for the first one

>>9744673
adorb, only kinda weird issue i have with it is that the hairline looks so weird and round

>>9744723
That's because the hair is brushed up into a ponytail, it is supposed to be styled by the owner.

>>9744731

>>9744677
aw poor guy

>>9744731
>>9744735
Ah okay, that is lovely!

Have some fun kemono movie trailer:
https://twitter.com/ponponpon643/status/949970309163044864

is your discord purely about fursuiting or is it more kemono-themed? I help run a different server about kemono art in general

Anyone know any good furry discord servers that aren't filled with 12-15 year old acting like idiots?

Anyone who knows any good furry discord servers that aren't filled with 12-15 year olds acting like idiots?

>>9745772
There was a pretty good one but Garasaki then came in and wanted to sue everyone over talking about how shit K-Line has become, in the end the server was closed because nobody wanted to talk about fursuits anymore because she always would pop up again (also the reason why talking about K-Line was banned from the kemono fursuit maker FB group).

>>9745846
But then again, it says in their guidelines that writting anything that could damage their reputation is not allowed and that "We will be establishing a quality control department and strengthen our online monitoring system in the future." aka sending Garasaki for harassing everyone online.

>>9745853
If they didn't want people saying bad things about them, maybe they should get their studio in order?? lmao
I always wince when I see a k-line photoshoot. the difference in quality between customer suits and owner suits is enormous, and rufen's work is even better than the current owner's suits. people still commission k-line in the hopes of getting something gorgeous like rufen or garasaki's suits and they end up getting a poorly fitted cat/dog recolor made by trainees for a massively inflated price.
I feel so bad for the people who ordered those cat suits from the latest set of premades and the sleeves didn't even mesh with the gloves properly, like god damn. even some snaps would've made the sleeves look way better.

Either way you don't get to send people to bully others into not talking about your company. Maybe get your studio to stop making average quality suits at massively inflated prices and stop coasting on the reputation of two or three stellar suits that your ex-employees made in the past? Eventually they're going to run out of people willing to drop $3000+ on a basic planti suit when they could get a shaped + padded kemono suit from AA for the same cost, or the other various up and coming kemono suit makers.

>>9745658
people post their art in it fairly often, the focus is definitely fursuiting though.

>>9745875
The only good suits K-Line have made in my opinion are the ones the various owners have made for themselves. Of the commissioner suits that I can remember, none have come close. Even when Rufen was their main artist the suits she made never came close to being as good as her personal suit which is understandable on one hand, but on the other they still use Rufen as a way to advertise the K-Line brand. She's not used as the face of the website any more, but she is there at every K-Line photoshoot despite not formally being part of the company any more. I think K-Line know that they have to show off all of the owner's personal suits at every photoshoot because they really are head and shoulders above the commissioned suits in terms of quality.

Speaking of AA, their photoshoots are great. There's no disparate gap in quality in their suits, all of them look fantastic when lined up against each other.

>>9745846
>>9745853
>>9745875
>>9745888
It’s because K-line makes most of their money from downpayments, not the actual commissions themselves. Rush out a hard-to-obtain product (while never finishing others) and get the buyers to think they’re part of an exclusive club.

>>9745911
But that's the thing. They're not that hard to obtain any more. AA are the biggest kemono suit makers by far and the quality of their suits from the photos I've seen are all fantastic and they take orders all year round. Then there's the various solo/independent asian makers you can find dotted around on Twitter who make some great looking suits. K-Line aren't the only option any more and as I stated before, they're just coasting on the reputation of a small handful of (admittedly fantastic) personal suits made by the old artists for themselves.

They need to pull their fucking fingers out or they're gonna be gone in a couple of years. Make something that looks actually impressive and do it for a customer this time.

>>9745875
>>9745888
>>9745911
And the owners aren't allowed to sell their fursuits if they are unhappy, hell, they aren't allowed to alter them to look better.
http://www.k-line.cc/guideline.html

Either way, Rady will be dumping Rufen soon for her new OC, the female dark blue/black cat, as she did with all her previous OCs. Maybe it will tame down the association of her personal works.

>>9745925
Are there any western studios guilty of this? An artist's personal suit is typically gonna look nicer because they can take as long as they want to perfect it and they'll tend to be more passionate about their own character than one they're getting paid to make. But even still, I can't think of any studio group shots off the top of my head where it's so easy to identify who the artist is just because their suit is so much better than everyone else's

>>9745933
>And the owners aren't allowed to sell their fursuits if they are unhappy, hell, they aren't allowed to alter them to look better.
That sound 100% unenforceable in just about every and any court of law if it were to be dragged to that.

At the end of the day K-Line is a business like any other and for as long as people are willing to pay for this shit they'll pump it out. That's why negative feedback is so important for this company so they can produce suits worthy of that price tag.

But they don't care at all. Because as long as people think they're being made by Rufen they'll keep buying

>>9745940
Every wave of mediocre suits they release makes it more obvious to people that the talent their studio used to hold has little/no part in the suitmaking process any more. I give it two, three years max at this rate until they're gone. They need to get their senior artists involved again and make some actually good suits or lower their prices since they're charging premium prices to the customer for apprentice work.

>>9745948
Speaking of the apprentices, I feel bad for those guys too. They're working for a company who's reputation was built off one of the best artists to date and are doing the bulk of the work on the suits while the senior artists do I don't know what?? They're definitely not helping with the suits, that much is clear. I would say they turned it into a sweat shop but allegedly K-Line are grossly slow at making the suits that calling it a sweatshop would imply some level of speed.

>>9745952
>are doing the bulk of the work on the suits while the senior artists do I don't know what
The only two people of the staff, that ever did fursuits, were Rady and Eixin. Rady is a pharmacist studying at the Hokkaido College of Pharmacy since 2016 and Eixin always was shit at fursuits, always would go for who is the most popular maker at the time and try to team up with them (before Rady, he went for FZSW and in fact he is the one causing her to get harassed everytime she pops up again - he wanted to make a studio together with her, they made loki together for him as PR for that, he accepted a shitload of commissions before they were even open and shortly after that, the sexual harassment happend (it was his idea to visit Anthrocon together for PR purposes, just like how he does with K-Line nowadays) that made her quit fursuit making) and as result, he had to deal with lots of angry people wanting their money back which he blamed on her instead of himself.

>>9745961
Additional: If you want more details on that story, FZSW's personal Twitter would be komyusizu but parts of the story, like them wanting to team up and making loki together as well as eixin's tantrum, can be found in archives of his website's blog.

>>9745961
>>9745964
tl;dr: K-Line is only Exin's personal money machine.

>>9745964
Link? Because I've heard similar things from Mochiri who thankfully has a husband that put up with none of his shit

>>9745973
May take a while to find but the blog was part of http://eixinweb.jp/ but archive.org seems to have issues lately so I can't direct link (FZSW also made his wolf).

>>9745973
mochiri is a treasure

>>9746007

>>9745969
I can see why FZSW destroyed those suits now. Not really because people were copying her work, but because they were tied into her experiences with Eixin.

>>9745933
The fuck how do they expect to enforce the no sales rule? You bought the suit, it belongs to you, you can do whatever you want with it

>>9746052
Japanese legal system?

>>9746052
>The fuck how do they expect to enforce the no sales rule?
internet threats, abusing your fanclub to harass them, etc

>>9746019
>destroyed those suits
Damn, I thought she'd just put them in storage or given them to a friend or something

>>9745772
like I said in the post above yours, I have a general kemono one that's drama-free and comfy

I'm not sure if posting it here would be too rude though

>>9746067
Admin of the fursuit discord here, I wouldn’t mind. My server has a primary focus on suits with a few channels related to art in some way, but nothing crazy enough where art pops up often besides the art the lovely people on the server do.

Besides, don’t feel like it’d be rude. Not like you need permission to just post a link yknow? The other anon is interested in finding a new kemono discord and it sounds like you can do that for ‘em!

>>9746125
alright then, here https://discord.gg/Hdr6mVk

we have a channel for fursuits too but it's mostly just dumping photos

>>9746053
I don't see how the Japanese legal system would make a difference? Elaborate?

>>9746308
Not that anon but even without that, when you apply for one of their Showcase suits, it is stated that you agree to their guidelines when you fill out the application so it basicly is part of the contract.

>>9746399
The guidelines retroactively say all previous suits can't be sold. But it you commissioned your character they have no rights to say that.

>>9746407
You can't commission your character, you have to order pre-built recolours based on concept art

Is oneeyeddoe really as sick all the time as she says she is? It seems like she's 'off sick' every week??

>>9736432
I love how realistic the face looks! (Not proportion wise obviously, you know how I mean) Are there any tutorials for doing realistic features like that?

>>9746129
Thanks!

>>9746914
Just learn how to airbrush.

>>9746461
You dumb bro? K-line used to take custom commissions, the new guidelines apply to those retroactively. That's why people pissed get on the same page

>>9747022
Calm down

>>9747022
The guidelines don't apply to old K-Line, under the old ones they even sold stuff for you to modify.

>>9746904
She’s well known for having a shit history with commissions and letting her personal life get into her business. I’m sure she’d use illness as an excuse

>>9746904
yeah, as a long time follower of her's that's the main thing really putting me off from getting a suit from her. i'm on her interest list, but i don't know if i'm even gonna bother at this point. seems like she won't have her queue done for another 3 years

Ellie Ange's latest work.

>>9747698
If the muzzle was shaved just a bit more this would be gorgeous

>>9750800
The muzzle is the same lenght fur as every other Amanojaku fursuit, people just touched her too much at JMOF.

Ichihi posted upcoming Furstar designs again, this one sure would look good in Fairy Kei, I guess?

>>9751197
>Furstar
The colors are going to be so off IRL

>>9740468
NAME. AND. SHAME.

>>9751938
Don't think so, Okadaya's AS-115 is a new fur range of very pretty pastels and look pretty accurate to the drawing.

>>9751998
I hope so. I've been disappointed with some of their fur choices in the past and it's a shame because their suits are so cute otherwise

>>9751998
I hope so too. A suit I am getting from them had to have a main color changed and I’m afraid of what it’ll look like. I was shocked they didn’t have light greens

>>9752138
>I was shocked they didn’t have light greens
They do have light greens tho? Pic related and I know that, at least for commissions, you can even make them import fur as they asked me for my to provide links for the fur they should use when I requested a quote for a head where I already made a body myself.

>>9752152

>>9752157

>>9740468
>>9751994
legit, if someone isn't named+shamed i feel like these kinda stories are bs.

>>9752152
Well now I’m a bit sad. When I gave them my ref and they redid it they said the couldn’t replicate it. My design has light greens and they turned them to yellow

>>9752336
It’s Mordrude

>>9752614
But the problem is she has has popufur friends so even if she is named and shamed it’s quickly dismissed

>>9752336
Also this image triggers me, I want to save Dorito from a lifetime of closet dustiness because Syber never wears him :(
...or maybe he’s a sex suit now :((
I’d fit the suit perfectly, too.

Hey so I was told to come here and tell you guys I charged back my K-line suit after seeing how shitty these cats are coming out. It's taken a few months going back with my bank but I've now been blocked on all social media by k-line. Worth it for my $3k back, I don't want to pay that much for this shit I'm thinking of commissioning furstar instead but id need a design. Anyone know any artists who take design idea commissions?

>>9752672
Both Ichihi and SnowAngel from the Furstar ref designers do commissions and can speak english, idk if they are open tho.

>>9752672
which one did you order?

>>9750761
I thought this was a snowman fursuit from the thumbnail and I was super excited

>>9752825
I want to be kind of careful because I got harassed by their staff pretty badly for charging back. But it was one of the skin disease cats with green markings

>>9753062
you should screencap the harassment and post it online somewhere so people can see their awful practices, they honestly don't deserve to be doing the business they do with the low quality products they put out and their horrible attitudes towards customers

Yeah, I think K-Line deserves some shaming for this stuff if it's true, or atleast make it clear to people that your fursuit won't be made by Radywolf

>>9753348
They bombard social media with Rufen and Co., letting people fall into the idea that a suit from K-Line will look that good and then the poor commissioners get suits with issues like poor fur choices or baggy wizard sleeves. Then they have the nerve to bully people who are unhappy with their service and actively stifle people talking bad about them.
Step one for them would be lowering their costs and being more transparent about the quality you'd expect to receive from them. You will never find them hosting photos of the suits they make for people with blatant design faults.

Step two would be making some actually good suits for their customers. Then they could have an actual positive reputation instead of relying on people not doing some digging on them.

>>9753367
>Step two would be making some actually good suits for their customers.
Which is impossible to happen as all good jp fursuit makers stay away from Eixin and the trainees seem to be used in a throwaway fashion. The only good thing still done is the semi-realistic heads that Rady does once a blue moon for booths.

They also have an exhibition going on right now and of course it's all the Rufens. Considering the trainees wearing the other Rufens all the time, I'm not even sure if it's always Rady wearing the snow one.

>>9753389
why would they show the suits the trainees actually make lol
nobody would ever pay their $3000 entry price if they actually advertised with the stuff they give to their customers

>>9753407
They do advertise with those all over their social media tho (less on FB because they focus on Twitter).

>>9753412
I never see those on my feed, only Eixin and Rady

So is K-Line pretty much just a scam?

>>9753416
Just because you don't see it it doesn't mean it isn't there, don't forget that even Twitter got an algorythm these days to mainly show you who you interact the most with.
>>9753421
Yeahno, while they show Rufen the most, it never said anywhere that you get something done by Rady and newfags seem to think K-Line=Rady.

>>9752672
Any reason you went straight for chargeback option? I'm assuming they gave you hard time/lack of communication.

>>9753334

No because they have my personal details (real name, address, bank, even measurements) and after all the shit they've given me I really don't want them sending their fans after me.

>>9753433
They hadn't started the suit yet when I told them I wanted to cancel. I tried to email them but got no reply so I asked them on social media then they started to block me after some jp users (gara something) started sending me some aggressive tweets, including one that said foreigners, or more specific "Americans" can't be trusted (I'm not American though).

When I did finally get an email they were extremely aggressive in their responses (I can read a bit of Japanese but my friend was shocked at their choice of form). They had no intention of refunding my money and said they will sell it to someone else. Charged it back with my bank and showed them they weren't going to deliver the product with my money.

Bonus: the fur isn't even glued to the foam, look at the ears

>>9753499
Yikes, thank goodness I've always favored AA suits.

I don't get why Garasaki is like this, he's their translator after all. Glad you got your money, but how long ago did you enter into getting one of their suits? I'm still confused about their queue times on these premades...

>>9753506
Maybe Gara’s just a racist dipshit.
>”Gaijin don’t understand out unique Japanese construction methods, just as they don’t understand what it’s like to have four unique seasons or how American skis don’t work on unique Japanese snow. Did I mention the Japanese people are most unique?”
One of those Nihonjinron guys

>>9753506
>I don't get why Garasaki is like this, he's their translator after all.
Because Garasaki is not only their translator but also the online monitoring mentioned in the FAQ and gets paid for all of that.
>>9753501
A lot of makers don't do that so that doesn't really mean anything as long as the tailoring was done well but that's what K-Line sucks at now.

>>9753506
I applied sort of September last year but then tried to charge back late November. They told me my suit hadn't been constructed yet so I'm not sure how their queue works. I know I was pretty late into it

>>9745853
>>9753577
>Online Monitoring
What kind of low-rent Yakuza shit are these people running? It's clear they know their products are shit and they're pretty much scamming their customers, but I guess they have to silence the criticism or else the jig is up and Eixin will have to dump Rady for a new suitmaking project. Of course Rady will end up the fallgirl in this whole thing, because furries are stupid.

>>9753506
Isn’t Garasaki here in the US?

I have my suit project planned for this spring! Since this mascot likely doesn't exist anymore, why not try to remake it?

>>9753740

>>9753740
>Since this mascot likely doesn't exist anymore, why not try to remake it?
It probs does still exist in a werehouse somewhere or someone's house
Either way it'd be a bitch to get hold of

>>9753732
The original purpose was to find imitations of Rufen (there seem to be new ones weekly, pic related) but it evolved into whatever Garasaki is doing now.

>>9753739
No, Nagoya.

>>9753739
He was at jmof recently and he seems to be in Japan from most of his photos? I thought he was American at first too I honestly have no idea.

Also for anyone interested the fish eidolon from mochiri STILL hasn't been bought

>>9753742
It hasn't been seen in 15 years, and knowing how activision operates, it was probably destroyed.That or the suits have fallen apart.

>>9753752
The easiest solution to this would be for Rady to have her Rufen be the first of a semi-closed species, like DADs. But instead she went off the deep end and is now going nuts with redesigns

>>9753757
Ahkay, just asking because I thought I’ve seen things related to him being in the US

>>9753771
Rady made Rufen’s species (Oinu) a closed species, before she got rid of her FA. I remember her posting a design of another Oinu and mentioning their closed species status

>>9753764
Someone from here message her and asked her if it was bought and she said yes, I just don’t know if she’s changed the file

>>9753771
ve if it was a semi-closed species, direct copies are direct copies and that's the main problem but as previously mentioned in this thread, she is already replacing Rufen for her new cat OC which she draws a lot.
https://twitter.com/RadyWolf/status/937881339293921285

>>9753807
*Even if
Just like how DAD doesn't allow people to copy Telephone or the muzzle ring and they do it anyways.

>>9753499
lol that's very illegal to do of them so I highly doubt that will happen.

>>9753499
So they said they take your money and would give your suit to someone else before you got your bank to reverse charge the money? That's fucked up.

>>9753817
Also this, that would be a malicious breach of data protection and you could probably take Eixin for whatever his total net worth is if they were dumb enough to leak your personal information

Why does Rady still hang around with k-line exactly? She could perfectly well work independently. I'm assuming she gets certain benefits for her constant posing for photos for them to use. Eixin would probably be high and dry if she left since Mochiri refused to join his company, or he might scavenge another artist to use.

>>9753833
Pretty much. They told me it's in their terms of purchase and no refunds would be given. They said all characters belong to K-Line even after purchase so they retain the right to sell them to someone else.

>>9753882
The character design might but if you paid for a product they are obligated to at least attempt to deliver it to you. If they decided you wouldn't get your suit in addition to keeping your money prior to the chargeback that is straight up theft, regardless of what they have written in their terms.
If all this is true then it ought to come out because people deserve know what they can have to deal with in relation to this company

>>9753854
She still scultpts the headbases, gets a share of the profit, does the refs and gets to promote/sell her artbooks at their booths.

Also, Garasaki is currently trying to get Mochiri into K-Line after Eixin failed, Gara's new personal suit (pic related) was also made as collab between both.

>>9753980
I hope Mochiri refuses like she did before. She's been making suits for a while too (She was friends with Fuzisawa as well) but only recently started getting attention for them. I'd hate to see Eixin profiting from her ideas. Not to mention the fact that her suits are way better in comparison to K-Line. I think she's wise enough to know she's better off without.

>>9753894
Exactly why I charged back. The way they refused to respond to me, then the dodgy dealings with refunds just left such a hugely sour taste in my mouth. I don't know if it's a language barrier or what but yeah I'm relieved it's over now and I have my money back.

I would hate to see mochiri sell out, I've never won one of her lotteries so I settled for k-line. Definitely going to just keep an eye on her next Fursuits and try again!

Seriously, this shit needs to be made public.

>>9754111
You gulls are more than welcome to screen or quote my posts. That's the reason I came here in the first place because I was asked by my friend to inform you of the bullshit I went through.

At the end of the day I am sad I don't get the suit because I loved the color scheme, but for 500,000+tax+shipping+ conversion fees, that quality isn't worth it. It upsets me more that they confirmed these suits are only good for photos and won't last being worn.

>>9754690
>It upsets me more that they confirmed these suits are only good for photos and won't last being worn.
Eh, the first part has been common knowledge tho as Rady herself stated the same on her FA back when she made it - no fans and all that, you will faint.

>>9754690
>>9754043
POST PROOF

>dub mutt open for quotes
>can't settle on a fursuit design
WHY MUST LIFE BE SUFFERING

>>9754758
Not the same anon but I wouldn't want K-Line's fanboys after me either and they have been known to harass people even over simple things like sharing the same colors as Rufen - Kemosuki closed commissions and disappeared because of harassment by them over his last OC's colors.

I'm not dodging questions I'm at work, I'm also in the discord as well so /shrug. But also as the other anon said and from the amount of harassment and racist comments I got from their fans on Twitter, fuck man I don't want any involvement and I'm paranoid they still have my home address.

You don't have to believe me I mean lol 4chan. But I was asked by a fellow suiter to share my experience. K-lines customer service is non existent, they were extremely reluctant to reply to me when I asked for a refund after seeing the quality of the suits. Then when I did get a reply regarding the refund they told me refunds aren't possible once production begins, except they had told me my suit would not be started until January (this was in November). They told me if I didn't want that suit then k-line still retains ownership of the design so they could still sell it to someone else. But never agreed once to give me a refund.

Honestly I'm so fucking done with the whole thing. I did meet some cool furs who had bad dealings with eixin and they've been a great support. Now though... I'm just so tired of it and it's been nothing but stress. This isn't my first fursuit either but I've never once dealt with a "company" this vile.

Like I said, you're welcome to not believe me and I'm sure if they discover this thread I'll get more harassment. I didn't really set out to tarnish their business or anything since I know a few people who own heads from before they started showcase only (and they're nice heads!) But really i'm sad more than anything, and if you do want to buy a JP suit there are some really wonderful artists so buy one of those.

>Got a job a company that manufactures furniture
>Tons of leftover foam from production
>I can have all the free foam I want
>But only in small chunks because it's leftovers
What's the best spray glue to use for foam when building a fursuit? I really want to get to work on one now that I have easy access to materials.

I'm touring the boards of 4chan, and I'm so confused about the existence of this thread. Isn't this like, against global rule 3, or something?

>>9755795
No more than sonic or solatorobo being posted on /v/.

>>9755795
Each board's mods have their own interpretation of the rules, for example; /co/'s mods are notoriously against even having furry-related cartoons being mentioned, meanwhile /v/ has furfag threads that are allowed because it's about a game.

>>9755812
I hate to use this as an opportunity to set up my soapbox and talk about how bad /co/ mods are, but their enforcement of the no-furry rule is arbitrary. Some furry webcomics like Poppy O'Possum are allowed while others that aren't necessarily furry like Out of Placers are deleted on sight. They aren't necessarily against furry, they're just against what they don't like.

>>9754758
>Super secret discord discussion in a 4chan general
Absolute cancer

>>9755889
/co/ is quiet possibly the worst board and its continued existence never seizes to amaze me.

>>9755960
Even worse than /v/'s console wars and /vp/'s autism?

You know, as much as I'd like to make a mascot cosplay like that new Eevee suit, it's too damn big for a grad student's apartment. Treecko would be a better choice for a project.

>>9755893

>>9755893
Your point? You can ask for the discord link, we discuss subjects that are discussed in the thread, obviously.

>>9755893
Hi there, the discord was made in late 2016 in case of the threads going down, its activity just fluctuates. This past year has been the most active, actually.
The threads have been deleted by mods in the past due to people being upset by the subject matter, but I know some people from here wanted to discuss the topic of fursuits.

The link to the discord was public but unfortunately a few months ago a bunch of dumb trolls from /k/ invaded and shitposted, causing a clog of the chat.

The discord is no secret, and I’m always willing to share a link in case people want somewhere to go when the threads die or if they start getting deleted again.

>>9755998
Yes, although /vp/ dont even enjoy pokemon i swear

>>9756001
That kid is right at crotch level. Bad move there.

>>9755960
/aco/ is worse

>>9756446
I think /aco/ is good because it removes the western crap from /d/. Which reminds me: fuck /d/ for banning certain fetishes, it makes no sense

>>9756502

Half of the content on /d/ is western-drawn nowadays anyway as long as it looks eastern-inspired.

>>9755795
Also, as this thread is more about the design and construction, and the contents of the thread can be applied to non fur stuff...

Just like on /diy/, where discussing making weapons is disallowed, but discussing milling aluminium into a lower receiver is allowed.

I will never understand why some people like breasts that look like pimples poking tru fur.

>>9756855
poor understanding of anatomy

>>9756855
how ELSE will you know they have tiddies???

>>9756855

"Anthropomorphism" comes from two Greek words, ανθρωπος, anthrōpos, meaning human, and μορφη, morphē, meaning shape or form.

>>9756855
I don't mind if a suit has titties or huge hips but there's gotta be a better way to do them than this!

>>9724672
AAAAAAH
I fucking HATE THOSE FUCKERS!!!
Last time I WAS MOVING I boguht this fucking thing and its ABSOLUTE FUCKING CANCER to set them up!!!
I broke the fucking sticks on the shitty thing because you actually needed to basically hammer them down with your hand to get them to fit but that broke the cheap ass plastic.
SO THE FUCKER BROKE!
THen I buy ANOTHER ONE becuase i thought dang now I should be able to do it and FUCKING RBOKE IT AGAIN, AND THIS TIME I ALSO HURT MY HAND!
DONT BUY THIS FUCKING THING THIS GUY IS A SHILL FROM THE DEVIL HIMSELF HERE TO FUCK YOUR DAY UP!!!

>>9759226
i bought one and while it WAS a pain in the ass to set up (nothing breaking just a bit of brute force) it isn't nearly as bad as what happened 2 you
sorry anon

>>9758278
>>9758071
And what has that to do with uneven breasts that have long-pile fur all around them? That's not how chest hair works.

image limit hit, shall we make a new thread or wait till this one dies?

>>9761484
*Bump limit, and it'd be better to wait for this one to die, only 'cause the image server's borked at the moment.