/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9713469
I sometimes see trends I like in Japan and China, but they don't reach my comm or CoF. Why's that?

>>9713469
>Will Holy Lantern have another release?
Please no. I am so sick of this dress.

>>9713481
It probably will
>cant wait for hot topic to copy it

>>9713477
Eventually. Trends in Japan usually take time to cross over to other parts of the world. Soft Lolita being one trend that I see being accepted in 2 years time

>>9713469
If more brands would put out more traditional gothic, I'd be so happy, and my wallet would be so sad.

>>9713486
Same t b h.

Looking forward to the decline of the Same Five Accessories (you Know the ones) on insta, and wondering what will replace them next year. Hopefully sack dresses become less prevalent too.

>>9713469
How many years in a row have people been predicting a gothic resurgence for now? Like three?

>>9713524
>the Same Five Accessories (you Know the ones)
I actually don't, I feel out of the loop. What's 2016's madonna crown and peignor equivalent?

>>9713469
I want to see gothic in general become more popular again. For a while the trend was OTT sweet full AP sets with almost decora accessories, right now it's OTT classic with 5 off white chiffon underskirts per coord. I want to see more stuff like the OP pic, maybe some heavier and more interesting makeup for a start?

I know I'm biased because it's what I like to wear, but with the GLB gone it's sad to see all the new magazines to be almost solely sweet classic, with maybe one or two pages of navy AATP that's meant to be 'gothic'. I wish someone would make magazine with an overall darker style. None of these new ones are filling the void the GLB left for me, but I feel as if I'm the only one not satisfied since OTT classic and 'soft lolita' are what's in right now.

>>9713469
I hope these die

>>9713537
I'm still going to wear mine and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

>>9713488
Should it take more than a year though? Considering Western lolitas all get their info online.
I made soft lolita threads here. The people using the soft lolita tags are just Western and Chinese lolitas trying to get as many likes/reblogs as possible. Even after all the info I posted about it people still use it as a label for (toned-down) normal lolita.

>>9713524
What accessories? Veils?

>>9713530
>peignors
I genuinely regret not getting into this trend while is was popular a few years ago, it seems so passé now but I unironically love them. I'd take CPK over menhera any day.

>>9713537
Seconding this, they're horrible. I didn't realise they were even that popular. I thought they were just a thing that Pixielocks and the shitty jvlogger gang latched on to. They're so ugly and don't even look nice in photoshoots.

>>9713542
I'm guessing maybe that one pair of btssb socks that everyone and their mom has a knockoff of? Bonnets? Fake flowers in the hair? I'm lost to be honest.

>>9713533
For what it's worth visual kei media has been a lot darker these past couple of years

>>9713469
>With the resurgence of MmM, will gothic lolita go back to it's traditional roots?
No please, the second hand market for moitie and aatp is brutal enough, we don't need additional trend hoppers.
For the next trend I'd like to see a declined popularity of lolita, haha.

>>9713530
>>9713545
>>9713542
>>9713537 >meme glasses
>that Antique Beast headdress and all its knockoffs
>the Teja Jamilla tights everyone has
>those damn cheap-looking black Sock Dreams tights with the vertical stripes and the lacy bit around the knee
>The Restyle flower crowns

To mention a couple more. I just get bored browsing through coord pics, I guess. Bonnets and veils I'd say are pretty standard, and it's not like I'm seeing the SAME bonnet/veil over and over. Just getting my bloomers in a bunch over popular minor details I guess. The cheap quality of the lace Sock Dreams tights gets me every time.

I hope better hairstyles become standard this year. Also I really don't like the high cheek bone blush when its two bright red splotches next to your eyes. I think people should learn what makeup works for their face instead of copying japanese magazine tutorials or full on insta-baddie makeup.

>>9713562
Pic of socks please

>>9713566
>I think people should learn what makeup works for their face instead of copying japanese magazine tutorials
but its apart of the fashion what

>>9713537
>tfw these are my actual glasses
Fuck off. I can't see without them you twat

I want OTT sweet to come back.

>>9713469
corsets, real and simulated, are still big in Japanese lolita right now. i do not think the West can shake its anti-visible-corset stigma, though.

basically until Angelic Pretty does a photoshoot with something, nobody in the West wants to accept it. the reliance is too much on major brand photoshoots and not enough on street fashion.

>>9713600
>anti-visible-corset stigma,
Why is this a thing? Too many fatties and thots ruin it?

>>9713600
wa and qi lolita are on the rise, and this is something happening in Japan as well as the West. a greater variety of brands are releasing many more kinds of lolita items than the old-school "kimono top, ruffly skirt" look that dominated this substyle for so long.

>>9713601
it has sexual connotations and Western lolitas over-react to anything that could make the fashion seem like a fetish.

also, corset purists fume at corsets worn as anything but undergarments.

>>9713601
>>9713600
People in the west wear shitty amazon corsets that fit poorly and don't match the coordinate. It's also a really common ita mistake to use cheap corsets to make ugly ero or steampunk coordinates. Nobody minds when people wear nice corsets intended for lolita (such as excentrique) that are well integrated into the outfit. Also people in the west are really freaked out about eroticism of any kind.

>>9713605
"ethnic" lolita in general has been seeing pockets of interest spring up in Japan. some are sillier than others and are not really trends. but if you want to go avant-garde, throw a hijab on it

>>9713530
>>9713562
Don't forget the puffy vinyl star clips.

>>9713609
hijab wa rori so kawaii

>>9713544
I don't care how passé they are you can take the peignors off my cold dead body. I just wish it were easier to find nice loli-able ones. CPK was my gateway jfash and eventually I'll figure out how to mix it with Lolita properly.

I love sack dresses - I know they're so unflattering on most figures but I just find them so endearing.

I want to see more corsets and visible circle skirts like pic related, especially in gothic. I just love how to looks. It reminds me of rococo fashion, so I'd also love to see a classical spin on it.

>>9713607
i think with the enduring presence of Sheglit, the stigma will recede in some respects. pic related. i see their layerable pieces worn with Holy Lantern and other unshapely dresses, and it would be a quick leap to a real corset.

>>9713618
>I want to see more corsets and visible circle skirts like pic related, especially in gothic. I just love how to looks. It reminds me of rococo fashion, so I'd also love to see a classical spin on it.
same. this has been mostly an "ero" niche. there are always h. Naoto unstructured cage skirts for anyone who wants to try the look without committing to a full cage

these eyebags (left) have been popular for a while. i predict soon, the West will catch on to the OTT glitter lashes on right. it is a less troublesome variation of the glitter tears that trended for a while, and if you love nail art or deco crafting this is the logical next step.

>>9713469
I want to see more pillow bags. more bed prints. more sleepwear. We're all so fucking tired and it's not like we've ever been afraid of wearing our feelings. looking at u menhera-chans

>>9713621
This looks so good, exactly how I pictured styling HL to work well, glad to see it.

I want lifestyle lolita / rose-tinted living to become popular again. Also it seems like oldschool has been a bit more popular lately and I hope that continues.
>>9713629
I'm all for this lol

>>9713618
>I'd also love to see a classical spin on it.
Abilletage may be cornering that market. For corsets, at least.

>>9713633
here is a similar one! many attempts at gothic HL coords were foiled by the sweet babydoll cut. using these corsets/gilets to shape it works out pretty well

>>9713607
>a really common ita mistake

This so much. I know I cringe every time I hear a newbie mention a corset, 99% of the time they think lolita=corset for god knows whatever reason. The ones that start out this way are generally also the ones that create speshul snowflakey "this is lolita because I say it is" type of coords. They also seem to gravitate towards underwear corsets with dodgy shiny material rather than decent stuff.

I wouldn't mind seeing burando corsets if that means we can at least redirect the the clueless itas to nicer ones. They've been making bustier tops that look pretty close for years anyway, some just need boning to qualify as corsets instead of bustiers.

>>9713584
You aren't wearing them for trendy reasons, read the thread title.

>>9713610
Those have been around for years though. I thought they'd die with the OTT sweet era but they never have seemed to go away.

>>9713582
>what works for their face
As in if it looks good on your face, do it. If not, probably put down that 15 year old copy of GLB.

>>9713566
The instagram makeup looks so jarring with most coords. Sure, you can wear heavy makeup with gothic, but does every look need an overdone cat eye? When will flattering, understated makeup be on trend?

>>9713629
Burando PJs are the stuff dreams are made of. I wish they'd put out more teacups and mugs too...

>>9713607
>>9713646
Seriously. My main beef with corsets is that they're cheap/shitty, or the wrong size. They're meant to shape your waist, and so many people get them too large and just look like tubes.

Some brand has (plastic?) boning, though. AATP releases come to mind: Chocolate Addiction JSK is boned and so is my Vampire Requiem skirt. There's probably more; please correct me if I'm wrong about what the boning is made of.

>>9713638
Abillitage and Excentrique have me prostrate, they are top tier in my lolita pantheon

>>9713618
source on the gold bag?

>>9713554
>I'd like to see a declined popularity of lolita
Agreed. Maybe I'm just neck-deep in nostalgia but I do miss it when lolita was a little more "for us" in the depths of the internet and not on display for every normie to see on facebook. Not so much in a hipstery "I wore lolita before it was cool" way, newbies are crucial for the continuity and survival of the fashion, I'm just tired of seeing so many lolitas-at-heart playing pretend on social media and demanding entrance to our comms and meets without even wearing the fashion (or worse, supporting replicas as a cheap imitation of us), and then crying about bullying and elitism when they're explained the concept of a dress code.

>>9713634
>I want lifestyle lolita / rose-tinted living to become popular again
Likewise to this. I do think that newbies are important but those that claim that lolita is "only clothes lmao" and "only for 20 year olds lmfao gtfo if ur older than 25 hag" and "only for meets lol who would wear this regularly??", those who don't care about the fashion's history and where it came from and only care about the shiniest trendiest new thing that catches their eye for the likes and attention online can fuck right off.
Not to say that you have to wear it daily to be a lolita but if you treat it like a costume that you wear for attention you have no place in this subculture.
>t. salty oldfag

>>9713533
...Was the GLB discontinued? I've been out of lolita for a few years. I always wanted to collect all the GLBs, I guess now would be a good time.

>>9713729
KERA was discontinued because their publisher went under iirc, so the GLB went with it. It's available online now but definitely start collecting the volumes if you want them while they're still cheap.

>>9713611
why is her dress censored?

>>9713730
Damn, feels like the end of an era

>>9713655
Yeah it's plastic boning. But items that need reinforcement to be more smooth and rigid so they won't scrunch or wrinkle, but aren't expected to provide shaping (skirts, smooth bodices, fashion corsets), are just fine for plastic boning. But anything that uses tension to create shape should have steel boning or synthetic whalebone.

>>9713731

Looks more like an arteestique blur effect, given it says "made with BlurEffect" in the corner. The dress itself isn't actually censored, you can see the print pretty clearly down the middle. I guess if this were a normie selfie the outfit wouldn't be so poofy and get caught up in the pixel blur filter.

>>9713584
I'm sure there are other frames for you, anon.

>>9713655

>plastic boning

I think it's plastic, but AatP doesn't cap theirs properly so it starts worming its way out of their casing or something. Anyhow, there's quite a handful of dresses that are boned, even AP has done at least Etoile Twins bustier jsk with boning (can't confirm if their other bustier cuts are boned, though).

Usually the boning for these dresses are simply to help them lie flat, though (in the case of bustier cuts, it also helps them stay up since there's no shoulder straps). I don't know that I'd properly count them as corset-style dresses. Some of Atelier Pierrot's corset lacing jsks might be legit corset-style dresses, I don't own any so someone else may have to confirm that. I feel like previously a number of brands have borrowed the aesthetics of a corset, just not the function. Gonna be interesting to see if it's still important that a corset tightlaces, or maybe it's good enough if it looks like a frilly corset and you don't look like a tube in it.

The brand corsets (Abilletage) are still pretty much one-size only, so I guess even if corsets in jfash take off we're still stuck with girls who look like tubes. Or fatties who insist on stuffing themselves into a small one-size-fits-whoever corset and looking like a snowmen.

>>9713761
Yeah I saw that the print was fine and the blur filter, I was just curious if there was a reason behind it. It just seems so out of place. I know this one girl on FB that blurs any sort of upside-down cross or pentagon symbols because its against her religion and was wondering if it was something like that.

I'm not a big fan of the corsets over the dress style and kinda hope it doesn't become a thing. A friend of mine handmade me a waistcincher as a gift, and while its nicely made (solid construction, sturdy seams, symmetrical), it is pink, lime green, and has a picture of a zombie girl on the front. I wear AP sweet style. I don't have the heart to tell her she vastly misunderstands the fashion. I feel like if corsets become popular we are going to just see a flood of hottopic goth girls thinking they are lolitas.

id like if AP started releasing proper socks again for their otks instead of nylon otks
itd be nice if brands picked up on this oldschool trend but in a new way. i like that baby has their classical series but id like to see ap release some knee length bloomers with a new series. more wearables in general. more novelties and housewares too.
id hemorrhage money if the brands released more raincoats, underwear, pajamas, swimwear again
bring back dailywear

Can we please make garters a thing? I hate how my OTKs keep slipping and sock glue isn't an option if you're wearing tights under them.

>>9713600
Ibdon't love them in coords because true corsets are meant to be underwear, so logically putting them on top of a dress doesn't make sense since the fit would be off. The only time it doesn't look weird is in ero coords because ero is meant to look like underwear. And of course, this doesn't apply to waist cinchers and bustiers that are decorative and meant to be worn outside clothing.

>>9713818
I always thought garters were fine as long as they couldn't be seen. Visible garters are unlikely to ever catch on, since that much thigh shouldn't be shown.

Personally I want OTT to take a step back, bring back wearability for 2018.

>>9713819
I don't see how waist cinchers are less underwear-like than other corsets

>>9713638
>>9713700
I love Abilletage. I just don't get why I have to pay 250-350 euro for it. Their corsets are all rougly the same shape, one-size and don't use much fabric.

>>9713834
Because corsets are really difficult garments to make. The materials are expensive even in small quantities, the hardware is finicky, and they take more time to make. I also don't think just any factory or seamstress can make a nice corset, it really has to be a specialist. Good corsets are expensive in general.

>>9713629
Yes I love bed/lounge themed dresses and accessories. I want to call it frumpy-kei

>>9713834
>one-size
Would they fit well with a 70cm waist?

Just checked a new one and it says:
2(S)…フルクローズ 46cm
3(M)…フルクローズ 50cm
4(L)…フルクローズ 56cm
>>9713844

>>9713822
Dresses sit high on me, so without an underskirt they will always show on me. I'm hoping for fashionable sock garters that are okay to be visible.

>>9713562
>>9713577
Seconding. I feel stupid but... what lace Sock Dreams tights are you talking about, and how bad are they?

>>9713861
I think they're talking about pic related.

>>9713711
I like this salty oldfag and would want to subscribe to her newsletter

>>9713801
>it is pink, lime green, and has a picture of a zombie girl on the front
Oh wow. Is your friend xpinkzombiesx?

>>9713537
Honestly, I'm so sad about how much of a meme these have become
In 8 years of wearing glasses, these have been my favorites along with another pair (I think I've had about 6 pairs in total), and I've gotten more compliments on them than any other frames (along with the occasional Harry Potter joke)

That being said, I think this shape is going to be the next meme, I've already seen a lot of people wearing them

>>9713829
I mean the kind that are decorative and most of the time don't use a metal busk. Some of the Excentrique ones don't look too much like underwear, I guess it's the fabric choice?

>>9713587
seconding, I used to bitch about pastel vomit and OTT sweet being the cancer of lolita but now I miss it

>>9713634
>I want lifestyle lolita / rose-tinted living to become popular again. Also it seems like oldschool has been a bit more popular lately and I hope that continues.
All of this

>>9713629
And this

>>9713562
None of these feel like prominent 2017 trends apart from the Antique Beast headdress and the meme glasses. I saw a lot more flower crowns a few years ago, ditto the tights.

>>9713606
I think corsets are pretty well-accepted in gothic and certain styles of classic, but I'm not a big fan of them in other substyles, especially sweet.

>>9713655
>instagram makeup
this is the no.1 trend I want to die in 2018. Horrible with most lolita, only slightly works with some modern twists on it. Understated make-up generally doesn't photograph well from a distance or in poor lighting; neon blush and huge lashes and strong eyebrows that show up well on camera are here to stay as long as people care more about how their coord will look online than how it looks in person.

>>9713554
>>9713711
>I'd like to see a declined popularity of lolita
Please no, the second-hand market is awful enough already. I feel like my country has a lot less new blood than a couple of years ago, and since Taobao has exploded too and everyone assumes what you're selling would be cheaper on Japanese auctions (even if it isn't) it's so much harder to sell.

>>9713845
Are these minimum measurements after you've tightened it? I don't understand corsets

>>9713844
Yeah i'd go for large and it should be fine. It's 56cm fully closed which you won't do anyway

>>9713963
How do you know what size to pick? What's the ideal difference between the corset's closed measurement and your actual waist measurement?

Which lolita brands do you think are good at following trends, besides VM and AP?

>>9713967
What's the most important is how it will fit the parts of you that won't compress, such as your upper ribs and pelvic crest/hips.The ideal waist difference depends on the construction of the corset. For most corsets that have a more gentle curve, I would say 3-4 inches is a good difference if you plan to wear it with a 2-inch gap in the back (it's not customary to lace it shut, but if you want to then maybe 1-3 inches). If it's a curvier corset then you should talk to the seller or manufacturer about measurements. Most people can handle compression of up to 6 inches comfortably, but it really has to be a corset designed for that purpose, not a lolita corset.

>>9714192
Then size L >>9713845 would be too small for a 70 cm waist

>>9714197
You should also keep in mind that those corsets are probably not meant to fully close

>>9713867
Ehhh I don't really mind those tights that much if they're dressed up well enough. Otherwise, they do kind cheapen an outfit if not coordinated correctly.
They're also very cheap on aliexpress and eBay so that's probably why a lot of girls wear them.

>>9713803
This, 100%.

>>9713818
Oh my god please not these specific ones though.I don't think there are lolita at all and just have that "edgy" goth vibe to them.

>>9713845
Lmfao, these are literally children's measurements

>>9713885
People always miss something when it's gone.

>>9713801
You should just wear it with radioactive cupcakes

>>9714277
You should learn to use online translators and read

>>9714277
>t. fattie who has no idea how corsets work

>>9713967
It says on the website your nude waist should be 10-15cm larger for their corsets.

>>9713618
>circle skirts
you mean hoop skirts or crinoline, anon.
circle skirts are often square dancing skirts and usually not good for lolita

Is it just me or does it feel like there weren't really any new trends this year? I also noticed none of the big lolita event seemed to cause much of a stir and there weren't so many innovative coords compared to previous years. Everything felt so lackluster.

It’s a waste of money to buy a brand corset. They all are badly made, and cost too much. Spend that 200 on a good corset from a corset maker. There are tons of people who will custom fit you a corset, you an ask for it match an outfit, embellish it, etc. Put the money in to get a good shape, or don’t bother.

I don’t think corsets will ever be s trend because 90% of you guys are too lazy to put the money into a good one, and then work to get it broken in, or go waist training.

>>9713868
I hate when this happens too. Since I was a kid I was obsessed with cat eye glasses after watching Grease. At the time they were impossible to find now. Now that I'm older and they are available, they are such a meme and associated with dumb shit

>>9714197
>>9714205
If you took a moment to translate it, you'd see that the L is big enough for a 71 cm waist.
>a chubbo-wubbo, me, could fit in the L

>>9714358
But I haven't found any in my country that look like Abilletage

Japanese corsets are mostly "fashion corsets". They may have boning but it's weak. They are designed to be worn over other clothing and the shape is more of a gentle curve. Think of the tight bodices on historical gowns. Western corset makers have more cultural exposure to proper corsets and make much more of an extreme shape that requires better materials. It's hard to compare the two.

>>9714396
Just ask someone to make one like it then? Truthfully their designs are cheaply made for a corset especially at their price point but like if you wanted something like >>9713638 the only thing unique is the ruffles at the hip and the ruffle at the top. Easily reproducible, and you can get someone who can shape a hip better in the process.

>>9714410
Do you know of any good corsetieres in the UK? I was considering buying an Abilletage one but I'm already quite hourglassy and my naked waist curves more than their corsets do.

>>9714285
That might actually make a decent coord lol

>>9713867
Nah, shes a 'traditional victorian' goth girl that actually usually has a really good fashion sense, which is why I was so baffled by her gift. I think her thought process went something like 'lolita is like an anime thing right? this zombie girl looks anime and is in a frilly dress, so this must be lolita, I'll make her a present with this!'

>>9713477
What kind of trends specifically?

>>9714413
loads of good ones in the UK https://lucycorsetry.com/research-corset-brands/corsetiere-map/

>>9714413
Vollers, or Leatherotics. Leatherotics are cheap but do very good quality satin and leather corsets with steel boning, and are designed to be able to handle tight lacing. Friends who used to tight lace recommended them to me.

Corset-story honestly has some of my favorite designs. Most of them only cost $40-$70 too, so they're easy on the wallet.

>>9714487
No. Case in point of why you look like shit. There is no way a good corset will be that cheap, the materials cost more.

Corset story is the milanno of the corset world.

>>9714497
NAYRT but Leatherotics' corsets are in the same price range as Corset Story's. What's the difference?

>>9714487
corset-story has such horrible quality corsets.

>>9714501
I did not recommend them, but I would say beyond the novelty of “leather” I don’t think they are well made either. Pic is one of their non leather stuff which is more like a girdle than a corset that will do anything. A big indicator is how tube like the model is.

>>9714506
Ah, I see! Abilletage is the only brand I've bought from, so I don't know a bunch about all these other ones. I do like how some of the corset story corsets look though - it's a shame they're shit.

>>9714506
As far as I know the best quality corsets in that price range are orchard corsets. They have a variety of models suitable for different body types and a lot of guides/ information on their site. They aren’t as cute/embellished though as they’re mostly meant to be worn under clothes.

>>9714510
The 411 is probably the best shape for Lolita since it is short and almost a cincher, the big issue with corsets is that it is typically long on your hips, so it’s a good cut. But if you are chubby you may find it gives you a muffin top. I find that if it doesn’t go right to the underbust on me it gives a double boob look which is ugly, and that is why a custom one is always preferred you know? Imo I like the mesh idea, but the issue with their corsets is that it isn’t that curvy. Better constructed but if you have a good waist/hip difference it will be not enough.

>>9714487
Buy excentrique instead you pleb

>>9714487
My boyfriend bought me the one on the far left. It's AliExpress quality and so tubelike that even when laced as tightly as it will go against my hips and bust, there's an air pocket between the corset and my waist. It actually makes me look fatter. My boyfriend is practically blind when it comes to clothes and fashion but even he could instantly tell he'd wasted his money.

>>9713469
I hope we get more matching capes

I think some rising trends over the next few years will be boystyle and aristocratic/gothic. Give it like... 3 years though

>>9713844
If a corset has size listings like that, then it's not a proper corset. Excentrique is the closest brand that Ive found to doing proper corsets, especially as they do use steel boning in at least some of theirs. I'm not sure however how they stand up to any level of serious waist reduction. Plastic boning is always a no-no. It warps and cannot be used for waist reduction. It seems like many here don't understand corset sizings and what to look for. A corset's size is the measurement of the corset, the size waist that you are going down to. Unless you are a regular corset wearer, the best size is to go for one 2-4 inches smaller than your natural waist, e.g., someone with say a 27 inch waist should go for a 24 inch corset. If you are small busted, especially if you're very narrow on top, an underbust corset might be better to go for than an overbust, unless it's custom made for you. Gaping at the top where it's too big on the bust is not a nice look, even if it's taking inches off your waist.

>>9714501
>>9714506

I own a couple of Leatherotics corsets. While yeah, they're cheap, they are well made. I don't know Corset Story, but if those pictures are anything to go by...

Can we make wishes too?
I wish someone would invent a way to buy directly from fril and mercari this year.

>>9714752
Using a shopping service isn't that hard.

>>9714694
I'd like that too, but almost everyone new are "I found these shorts in my closet and wanted to try ouji :)". They are mostly ita as fuck. Nothing against the good ones though.

>>9713584
Agreed, when you need them you can't just not wear them...and no way am I paying £xxx for new frames

>>9714754
Not that anon, but it's not about being hard, it's about being annoying and adding to the total cost of the items I'm buying. On auction sites it makes sense because I'm buying from people, but needing a as to buy from a website not unlike cc or wunderwelt is a pain.

>>9714754
It is, if they're always too slow or closed when the good stuff appears.

>>9714764
It's the same with 'aristocrat' and Jgoth.. So many ita-tastic attempts compared to the decent ones sadly. It's especially painful to see a lot of guys trying to wear stuff based on historical fashions purely and calling it a day even though they're not the same. One is heavily inspired by the other but still...

I hope the new girl in my comm stops talking about her sex life and how fucked up she gets in 2018

Also I hope that brands release more jewel tone dresses

>>9714740
They don't have one-size, that anon was wrong.

>>9714771
What? Mercari and fril are more like yahoo and less like cc and ww

>>9714752
How would that even happen?

>>9714857
Allow foreigners to make accounts and pay with creditcard and other methods

>>9714771
>On auction sites it makes sense because I'm buying from people, but needing a as to buy from a website not unlike cc or wunderwelt

Mercari and Fril are flea market apps with people behind it. It's even more complicated than auctions, because you have to read the seller's self-description and follor a strict protocol to be allowed to buy. And sellers are more flake-y, sometimes include shipping, sometimes not, sometimes accept holds etc. Just because there is a "Buy it" button doesn't mean it's any easier to buy from than auction sites.

>>9714487
Restyle
Timeless Trends
Mystic City Corsets
Orchard Corsets

Those are all OK if you can't afford custom. Corset story is actual shit.

>>9714858
Since it's up to the sellers I doubt that would work. Some Japanese sellers don't want their things leaving Japan. Plus some require comments before purchasing so that's a barrier.

>>9714510
>>9714520
I've got a CS411 and I like it, but I bought it in nude and only wear it under clothes (it stops waistbands digging in). I like the quality but agree that the curve isn't that extreme, although it's decent (quite good for lolita since extreme curves are a bit too fetishy IMO, although the hip is too long for a lot of lolita on me because I'm only 5'3"). Like you said, fit can be an issue on non-custom corsets - I have the smallest size they sell and it's still a bit large for my underbust/ribcage even though it fits on the waist. I bought an overbust from them around the same time and the fit is really bad for my body type, I'd never buy an off-the-rack overbust again unless it was from a seller in my own country that I could easily return to.

>>9714694
it has been steadily increasing since 2015. the biggest jump was in 2016, but 2017 sort of levelled off. the Moitie revival and the appearance of indie brands with larger sizes may make 2018 another leap forward, though

>>9714277
For corsets you typically get them 4-5 inches smaller than your waist. So:
46cm/18in is good for a 22-23 inch waist
50 cm/19 border line 20in is good for a 24-25 inch waist
56cm/22in is good for a 26-27 inch waist

These are all adult sized anon.. maybe not all adults have waists of this size but, quite a few do.

>>9714972
I second Orchard Corset and Timeless Trends

I have heard Corset Connection is also good

>>9715288
I would say that size smaller is for when you're more used to that level of reduction. If you're newer to proper corsets, or do t wear them super regularly, 2-4 inches smaller than your natural waist is a better call. That's what Ive always been advised.

>>9715231
Anon, if you're getting those sorts of fit issues stick to underbust corsets for off the rack.

>>9715288
Those corsets are not designed to get 4-5 inches of waist reduction.

>>9715330
Have you tried them on?

I hope the "lifestyle" and daily aspect of lolita makes a comeback ("lolita in her natural habitat" pictures,casual lolita,simpler outfits and OTT not being the norm anymore)

>>9715335
It's a fashion corset that's shaped like a tube. Where do you expect to get the reduction from?

>>9715345
Exactly. That's why I was recommending corsets from places where you go for a size 2-4 inches smaller than your waist because you WILL get that much reduction. They're not 'fashion' corsets. The tube method of judging a corset's quality by a picture isn't always useable for serious corsetry, as there are many different styles of corset. Not all go for the hourglass silhouette.

>>9714972
I have 2 timeless trends corsets, and while they are made fairly well, they don't really give much shape. It's not bad, and definitely better than corset story, but for a bit more you can get something way better.

>>9715288
This is actually a complex thing, because it matters what the idea is when you wear it plus how squishy you are. For example, let’s say you are 26 inches at the waist. Assuming you buy a steel bonned corset and all that, you at least want to go 4 inches smaller for your corset. Even if the goal isn’t the close it, having an inch or 2 of a gap is no big deal. In fact some people say their corsets are “ made” to have a gap that big. For fashion purposes it isn’t a big deal if you close it at 4 and isn’t that hard if you wear it a lot even not meaning to waist train, but if you easily do, you will find it too loose. Even if you aren’t tight lacing if you are squishy enough you may by default squish down a few inches. If you already know you will be squishy, then you may want to go down 6, so for a 26 inch waist you are looking at 20-22 depending on how big you want that gap.

2 inches will be far too loose for you to go down buy, unless you are a stick you will quickly close and find it too loose. And desu at stick sizing you are at the edge of otr anyways since 18 is where many stop, so I would suggest custom anyways.

>>9715358
TT has changed their design so there is more curvey ones now. I think their hour glass line is better. My TT corset was curvy when I wore it but it was too long for my short torso, their standard length doesn’t mesh with me.

>>9715339
this. ive been taking part in bringing it back (like be the change you want to see, i guess) but at the same time i get really nervous sharing photos because im not very pretty even though my daily coords are really solid. i never post my candids even though i love candids so much

>>9715339
I hope so too, anon. I really do.

Also, more velveteen. It's a normie fashion trend, I'd love to see it in more releases this season.

I don't care about waist reduction, I just like how they look. There's no point in wearing it underneath your clothes so I don't want to get anything ita, and I don't want a design replica. I hope they become more trendy in jfashion.

>>9714487
Anyone recall the story of a girl who's piece of shit Corset Story sent her to the ER?

>>9715393

This. If it's a corset worn inside, then yeah I care about it making the silhouette I want. But if it's worn outside? We're already basically wearing underwear outside, does it actually need to be functional? I just want to look edgy and kawaii.

>>9714972
I can't believe several of these brands have released a galaxy one. Please don't wear these with lolita no matter what print or color.

>>9713469
i just want hime lolita to be a thing again

>>9715380
Maybe post candids that don't really show your face? I don't know what you look like but this might help you share pics of yourself without feeling insecure, plus things like pic related are much cuter than staged photos imo.

>>9713477
Because Western lolitas, as well as otaku and streetwear nerds and anyone else into any Asian-originated subculture essentially, are basic as fuck and are usually just imitating what they see kids over there originating.

This reminds me of a dumbass post from the other day about it being so interesting how "Western ita bag culture" was so different from how it is in Japan since Japanese wota frown on using doujinshi merchandise and fan art in itabags because the point of it is to show your love for a character/series with official merchandise you purchased to support it. They tried to spin it as Western weebs being "more accepting of fan content" when really they're either too stupid to tell the difference or too self-centered to care as long as their vinyl totebag full of postcards of Viktor they bought in the artists' alley gets Instagram likes.

>>9713627
Is the hat on the left btssb? Its fucking cute and i need it in my wardrobe.

>>9715412
Start wearing it

>>9713618
Does anyone know what wig she is wearing? need

>>9715363
No one actually wants to tight lace in lolita. It can be uncomfortable enough as it is, we just want it for the aesthetic. Quality would be in the fabric choices and shape, not on if it's steel/whale boning.

>>9716037
As an anon said above, wearing a corset under your clothes can make lolita *less* uncomfortable because it stops the layers digging into you. Steel boning doesn't have to be tightlaced, and the fact it's metal rather than plastic makes it less likely to warp and dig into you uncomfortably.

>>9716046
Yeah maybe under your clothes, but Japanese brands above are for over your clothes so I'm not sure why you're on about tight lacing. There's a thread for that >>9699044
Anons were just talking about trends.

>>9716037
Are you referencing panel cut tutorials? The ones that show you that fabric cut gives a corset it's shape, not boning? If so, you're half right, and misguided. Panel cut will determine the finished shape, yes, and boning strength/quality will make sure that the corset remains in the desired shape. Weak boning will bend and dig and pinch. Strong boning will provide a sturdy barrier against you and the waist band of your bloomers, petticoat, and main piece, spreading out the pressure over the area of the corset.
Some people like tight-lacing, with practice it becomes comfortable, but that's the caveat. You have to be willing to get used to it. I hate it when people complain about uncomfortable women's clothing, gawking at high heels and corsets as if they're torture devices. No, you're just unpracticed, or you haven't done your research and ended up hating the cheap or ill-fiting corset you tried. Don't paint all corsets with the same brush, they're not all from corset story.

>>9715460
Hime Lolita isn't a thing any more? News to me. All this time I've been wearing it and keep wearing it. Not hard to turn most things hime.

>>9715412
fuck I regret not buying dress on the right so bad when I saw it secondhand

>>9716054
What are you talking about? I'm literally talking about the aesthetic for the j brand corsets worn as an outer garment.
Read >>9716050

>>9716050
Not warping and looking like shit is relevant to the aesthetic when worn over clothes, steel-boned corsets last longer and most quality Japanese brands use them.

>>9716037
No one uses whale boning now. The point isn’t to try to get you to tightlacinb just not buy crap. 4-6 inches smaller is the ideal starting point for a good corset shape regardless of intent.

Even on top of clothing you want to make sure you look good, and most of Lolita’s are going to buy a cheap 50$ corset and look ita. Corsets can easily be a trend but won’t be if you guys are being lazy about it, you see it more with cosplayers and their tube corset but whenever people bring up Lolita and corsets it ends up the same. Even if Japanese people wear bad corsets they at least are trying to make it aesthetically pleasing. But really, their brand pricing of 200 for a badly fit corset is not worth it (and likely will look bad on a non Asian body type too even if you go for abilletage). You can do better because we have the corset market here, Japanese people lack that skill and history. Take advantage of the fact we can get better stuff easier in this case because it is so European.

Another way is to double up, wear a corset under that is good and a nice aesthetic one on top of Lolita and fake it that way.

>>9716132
>>9716169
Just stop. No one cares. Go to your containment thread.

>>9715412
Hime lolita is still a thing, it's just called sweet-classic now. It's all about pretending to be a princess.

>>9716169
Most of the ~real~ corset brands recommended in this thread look ita as fuck, unlike abilletage and excentrique

>>9716545
The difference for real corsets usually is that as a majority they will be functionality first. The fabric detailing and overall shape will be where a lot of the details lie. The 2 inch under your natural waist recommendation that I gave was more for less serious wearers of corsets who aren't regular wearers. Trying to go for much more than that amount of reduction if not used to it isn't exactly good for your body, especially if you don't have much to squish in. About 4 inches smaller on the size I agree is much better as a whole if you're being a bit more serious about things, and even if you're not necessary trying to close the corset.

Can you corsetfag quit derailing the thread please?

To contribute to the thread:
I think 2010-2012 era sweet (and OTT) will make a comeback.

>>9716563
We don't care about any of this, just the colour and pattern/print and fabric quality

>>9715380
I love candids too, but how do you take them unless you have someone do it? Still, I hope this will be a big thing going forward.

Also, less OTT and more appreciation for wearable daily lolita.

>>9713822
>>9716774
>>9715339
Posting wearable daily lolita coords is boring af. Do you guys even give attention to solid releases and brands with a more toned-down aesthetic?

>>9716780
It might be boring to you but not everyone wants to see AP's latest chiffon confection worn to a con, some people miss seeing the fashion worn like a fashion rather than a costume. And people who wear daily coords typically do pay attention to brands that release solids and simpler pieces, yes, because it's what we often wear.

>>9716788
god, this. granted, I'm probably biased, as I've been wearing lolita since 2002, but I LOVE seeing people's daily lolita coords so much more than the pics from meetups and cons. I know lolita isn't a costume no matter what, but when you only wear it at a con or a meetup it pretty much starts to seem more like a costume than an actual fashion.

>>9716788
The rise of brands making OTT items is just making this fashion look like a costume imo. And because of this, the fashion is at risk of dying off completely in the west (since lolita isn't as popular in Japan anymore)
For example, I love I Do Declare's brand but most of the dresses remind me of period costumes or historical garb and not lolita fashion. Every time I see someone wearing one of her creations, I can't help but think it isn't lolita fashion and only furthers this idea that lolita is a costume.

>>9716837
This is where "be the change you want to see" comes in. It's great that we wear it daily for ourselves, but OTT has so much exposure online that newbies and even people outside of the scene think that it's what lolita is about, and they join us with the notion that all lolita is over the top with wigs and underskirts and prints as far as the eye can see, and is absolutely not daily wear at all. And this is something that we can change.
Taking and posting pics of daily coords might be a bit of a challenge, I say this from personal experience; after wearing it so often it feels kind of pointless to bother with pics that seem to get little to no feedback except for maybe some nitpicks by newbies who have no idea what they're talking about. But if we do our best to post anyway, there may be a shift in perception in the wider community, if only a minor one as a start.
TL;DR: Let's make daily lolita trendy again. I promise to do my best if you do too, gulls.

>>9716643
I'm hoping for this. I'm getting bored seeing all the sweet-classic or just classic stuff all over.

>>9714321
No respectable square dancing skirt is fewer than 3 full circles lmao gtfo

A “circle skirt” is a skater dress skirt.

>>9714972
>>9715292
FYI to the orchardfags, Orchard stopped being good a couple years ago. Massive materials quality downgrades and new patterns aren’t as carefully crafted.

>>9716780
I do.

>>9716842
I try. Even if no-one likes those coords on social media, I post mine and try to follow people who post theirs. Maybe we should start using a hashtag on Instagram to highlight daily coords? #dailylolita is too full of meetup pics to really be useful.

>>9716881
That’s a shame. WKD upgraded in return and now says their stuff is waist training worthy, their changed a lot of stock in the past year.

>>9716885
That's a good idea! I understand that #dailylolita is taken by irrelevant posts, but are they the overwhelming majority? The tag doesn't seem to be very widely used on Tumblr so we can probably "claim" it there and fill it up with actual daily coords. I imagine it won't be too difficult to do on instagram or twitter, too.
Unless you or another anon have an idea for a better tag, that is.

>>9716780
>>9716788

I stopped following a lot of things for a bit because I got so sick of seeing the same ott outfits everywhere. I much prefer a simpler and toned down look. Solids rather than prints, not too many accessories, and more natural hair.

>>9716837
>>9716793
I mean it's boring for me to post. And when I've posted more toned-down new releases on here before, nobody replied to it.

>>9717102
Meanwhile I've posted some simple releases in new release threads in the past that gulls loved; not to say that you're lying, this board just isn't a hivemind and you can't and shouldn't rely on gulls' opinions to estimate the general community's view on things. Remember that not everyone here is a lolita, even if they post in lolita threads.
Anyway, I still think there's hope to turn things around if we try to commit to posting more toned down, daily lolita coords. It won't be easy and won't happen overnight, if we're doing it we gotta be persistent.

>>9713818
I'm waiting for packages with these three garters, all in white for me.
>>9714223
It can be really difficult to find pretty garters without these ugly metal spikes.

>>9717133
That lace is terrible. Do they actually keep your socks up? They look like they might be for aesthetic only.

>>9717138
I'm going to check that out, once it arrives. It was only $4 for a pair, so I don't really mind.

>>9716885
>>9717075
I just checked the Instagram tag, and... It's actually OK? I saw a couple of not daily-looking things, but overall it's fine. I think we just need to start using the tag more, it only seems to be used by a small number of people now.

>>9716842
>OTT has so much exposure online that newbies and even people outside of the scene think that it's what lolita is about, and they join us with the notion that all lolita is over the top with wigs and underskirts and prints as far as the eye can see, and is absolutely not daily wear at all.
>nitpicks by newbies who have no idea what they're talking about
Can confirm this is how newbies in my comm view lolita. They openly scoff at the idea of wearing lolita or even just lolita brand pieces to more than meets and cons because "it's unrealistic", and one girl even came up to me to ~helpfully~ inform me that my oldschool coord wasn't lolita enough and that I should wear a wig next time. I've been wearing lolita since 2005.

It's tricky though, because I've also seen girls who claim to be daily/casual lolitas whose coords aren't really recognisable as lolita at all. Apparently many people have trouble finding a middle ground.

>>9717168
>Apparently many people have trouble finding a middle ground.
Possibly because they don't understand the fashion and aesthetic beyond the basic definition given to them by the "rules". Not to say that the rules are unimportant but if you can't coord without relying on a specific "formula", you're probably not as good at the fashion as you think you are. Most girls like this can't dress themselves outside of lolita, some can't even dress themselves in lolita, which is just really too bad.
I'm sorry about these newbs in your comm, that's really shitty.

>>9717138
They are all aesthetic only. I had trouble keeping these garters from sliding down on their own.

Functional garters are the belts, anything like a thigh only thing is for looks.

>>9713818
Burando garters already exist, so I don't see why not.

>>9716842
don't flood any tag with a billion pictures of boring coords. the best way to do this is make weekly collages, pictures like that will look just as lovely and interesting as a picture of a single OTT coord. it will emphasize that the beauty is in how it is worn every day, instead of putting a spotlight on a simple coord that isn't quite as nice to see as something more loud

>>9717286
People can do whatever they want, and personally, I think simple daily coords are nicer to see than some loud, OTT shit that's totally irrelevant to my interests.

>>9717286
>>9717289
I also like seeing simple daily coords, and don't mind seeing them alone. But seeing them in a photoset is good too.

>>9717286
This might be a surprise to you but tags on social media are for public use and you can post what you like in them as long as it's relevant. Posting daily lolita coords under #dailylolita is perfectly fine, and if you don't care to see them you're more than welcome to not look in that tag.

>>9717289
>>9717298
Why are you so defensive? It's not a bad idea. I'd also enjoy coords in a collage more if you can see different ways to wear the same thing

>>9717308
No, it's not a bad idea, but this
>don't flood any tag with a billion pictures of boring coords
is a shitty thing to say. If anon finds these coords boring when posted individually like daily coords usually are, they're free to not look at them.

>>9717174
Don't worry about the newbs, they're easy
enough to ignore. It does suck that this is how many people apparently view the fashion, though.

Generally the people whose 'casual' coords aren't recognisable as lolita honestly aren't any good at dressing themselves in 'proper' lolita, either. They've always cut too many corners, introduce too many normie pieces or 'loliables' and if you take away the petti it often ends up looking like a normie outfit with a quirky dress. IMO even casual daily lolita needs the right silhouette and details.

>>9717297
Same. All I really care about it that the picture quality is good.

>>9716774
my friend is a photographer and takes them every time im not aware because she likes candids too. i got lucky meeting her.

>>9717286
sucks to suck im not shoving all my outfits into one small image collage on instagram. daily lolita for life, suck it up if it bothers you to see actual clothes that arent for cons with sceptres and wigs and wings and ram horns lol

>>9717547
Agreed, what’s wrong with posting your daily lolita outfits in the daily lolita tag? That’s kind of the point, if anon finds daily coords boring then don’t search for daily coords? The point of a daily tag is to post what people wear everyday.

I think OTT shit is boring and uninspiring. It all looks the same to me but I don’t tell people not to flood the tags because I find it boring.

>>9717554
>>9717547
Idk you are the ones shitting on OTT, nobody said anything bad about daily coords

I wouldn't mind subtle garters being a thing. my socks are constantly falling down. i tried looking for some recently but only came across fetish-y ones. i just want plain pink ones pls!

>>9717410
>>9717174
Asking because I'm quite new to Instagram and curious, but what counts as a good level of casual lolita vs. not far enough? Could someone post pics of stuff they consider good and not enough? I sometimes worry my coords are not casual or not lolita enough, and a visual reference would be very helpful.

>>9717562
If you get the cheap aliexpress thieg garters with the two dense elastic bands, cut off the aligator clip, and cut the connecting bit.
What you get is two perfect sock stays that are completely hidden when you fold the tops of your socks over them.
I can demonstrate what I mean with pictures if you're interested.

>>9717570
i am very interested!

>>9717555
>nobody said anything bad about daily coords
Please refer to the several replies calling daily coords "boring".

>>9717570
>>9717644
You can also really easily make sock stays with elastic yourself. Just measure a comfortable length and sew the ends together. You can even add ribbons at the side or lace to peek out from the socks if you want, but even just elastic works perfect if You measure it correctly. (basically just wrap it around where you want your socks to stay and pull it a bit so it's tight but not cutting off circulation and/or uncomfortable.)

>>9715339
It's never gone away? People like queran ruffles and fanny rosie mostly post daily coords and are well-known and praised for it. There are plenty of people who post non OTT coords, you just have to follow them.

>>9717568
There have been threads on this that can help you, you should be able to find them in the archives.

>>9717555
i never shit on ott i wear it too, its just fucking dumb to try to tell people they cant post their daily coords individually

>>9717772
Friendly reminder that fanny rose doesn’t post on places like cof because of people constantly telling her on tumblr she isn’t Lolita enough. She stopped tagging her tumblr stuff with Lolita too.

>>9717798
what we deserve desu

>>9717646
it's boring to take pictures of and to post

>>9717562
Just get a garter belt from the same place you get your other underwear. These >>9713818 never actually work.

>>9717568
Casual lolita is a substyle. Basically, you don't wear a blouse.

>>9717798
Yeah, she's said that she uses the otome and vintage tags because people kept telling her her style isn't lolita.

>>9717798
Probably all itas.

>>9717808
Then don't post? No one is forcing you to contribute.

>>9717955
I don't

>>9716198
>>9716055
i rarely see any good hime coords these days, maybe im just not looking hard enough!

>>9717644
Hope this is clear enough.
Apologies in advance for my thighs.
>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2014New-Leg-garter-fashionable-sexy-circular-black-spandex-harness-for-female/2048879423.html?

>>9718200
I hope you find your dream dress anon, thank you for this.

>>9718208
Glad I could help anon, good luck!

>>9713537
Kind of confused on the popularity of these glass. To me they look like/are children's glasses, maybe it's because I wore them at a year old lol.

>>9713606
the undergarment reasoning triggers me

the same as peeking petticoats and bra straps showing.

Vests are ok. There is another item, I can't remember the name, but is work over skirts. That is ok

>>9713731
haram

>>9713945
except insta-brows for drags look absolutely horrifying both in photos and in person

>>9718602
What about peeking bloomers?

>>9718610
Nayrt but peeking bloomers are usually just the lace, when done correctly they just look like very frilly socks rather than peeking underpants.

>>9718200
If you are going to go through all of that just buy elastic and glue/sew it into a band the size you need.

>>9717811
>Casual lolita is a substyle. Basically, you don't wear a blouse
Jesus this meme again. Casual is no more a substyle than OTT.

protip: if you can't imagine a specific "substyle" without an additional substyle to support it (ex, you can have a sweet coord, and a sweet casual coord, but wtf is just a "casual" coord) then it's not a substyle

>>9719025
Are you one of those people who calls sailor lolita a theme?

>>9719061
It is a theme though, because it can be sweet, classic, or gothic.

>>9718200
You're doing god's work, anon. Thank you so much!!

>>9718603

>>9718973
That requires buying a set for every two pairs of socks, plus ruining resale value is there is any to be had.

>>9719289
No anon, you sew the elastic band to go around your thighs and then roll the sock over the elastic, like in the photo. It won't ruin the socks themselves.

>>9719276
And a JSK is a sleeveless dress, a coord is an outfit, an OP is a dress that can actually be several pieces etc. But when I got into lolita I accepted the terms that people were using and learned the meaning within lolita fashion instead of holding on to american english.

>>9719517
What anon means is that sailor and casual are different types of descriptive categories than sweet, classic, and gothic. The point isn't that sailor/casual is a theme, it's that it's not whatever word we use to indicate the main three.

By your analogy it'd be like saying "A-line" describes clothing the same way that JSK, OP, and SK does.

>>9719534
I know what she means. My point is that we've always called it a substyle, regardless of the literal meanings of theme and substyle

>>9719535
>we've always called it a substyle
I’ve seen this for about a year, and prior to that it was just considered a way of wearing a substyle, similar to OTT.

>>9719539
Is it because you have been into lolita for about a year? I haven't heard anyone say theme outside cgl. But it kind of depends on your comm imo. In mine, they call every different style of lolita a substyle. They even say stuff like 'gothic sweet lolita'. I don't see the use of the term theme if you can just say something is a substyle of sweet lolita.

>>9719541
Alas, I’m old as shit (25) and have been into lolita since my freshman year of college. I’ve not heard it called a “theme” either. I’ve just seen it used as a descriptor for an outfit through the years, like “toned down” or “over the top.” It may be a comm. thing since I’m mostly a lonelita and don’t spend enough time with my comm. to pick up specific terminology.

I will say, the desire to add rules to casual such as “if it doesn’t have a blouse it’s casual substyle” as seen in >>9717811 is a recent trend online.

>>9719549
>I will say, the desire to add rules to casual such as “if it doesn’t have a blouse it’s casual substyle” as seen in >>9717811 is a recent trend online.
I think this is a reaction to OTT. Since OTT became popular years ago, (new) people started calling normal lolita coords casual. Coords that aren't even toned-down.

>>9719551
That would make sense. I was just thinking “shit, I’ve been here long enough to see people argue whether or not OTT classic was even /possible/”

Amusing and relevant post from 2011: http://fyeahlolita.blogspot.com/2011/07/taking-classic-lolita-to-next-level.html?m=1

>>9716780
I like to see casual outfits because I like lolita fashion

>>9719562
Haha same. I also remember when this ad for Twinkle Mermaid came out and people were clutching their pearls over the unnaturally coloured wigs. Then a few years later pastel wigs became the norm, and now we're back to natural hair colours being preferred. I wonder if it's a cycle where we'll be seeing unnatural hair colours hype up again in a few years or if it was more of a passing fad.

>>9719858
>I wonder if it's a cycle where we'll be seeing unnatural hair colours hype up again in a few years or if it was more of a passing fad.
I imagine hair colors & wigs/natural hair will be a cycle in lolita. I doubt we’ll ever get the full 2010 OTT treatment again, since a lot of that came out of the popularity of gyaru (big hair, bigger eyes) and decora (gotta put another ring on it), but I think old school simple vs mid-2010s bold will be the big trend cycle in this fashion.

Along those lines, I think we will see a bigger swim back into old school styles, and modern takes on old school looks. We’re already seeing a resurgence in platforms, natural hair, solid colors, etc. in snaps, coord posts and magazines. I think this will definitely continue.

My big, out-on-a-limb prediction is a resurgence of punk, this time with a more modern and elegant vibe (think egl meets elements of tradgoth). Idk why, but based on snaps in Japan and a few photoshoots (like the gothic spread in Melt) I just get this vague feeling it’s coming back in a new way. Putumayo’s death may likely help, as punk can evolve beyond 2007 into a more mature look.

>>9713771
And would you like to pay for them since you're the one with the issue?

>>9714487
Yeah only if you pair it with a replica dress and buy bootleg merch at the con you wear it to. Stolen fucking designs buy the real thing

>>9719293
Why bother with going to the hobby store, trying to find dense enough elastic that's wide enough, buy a sewing machine, learn how to sew, and hope I dont ruin everything before I tear my hair out over two measly inches of wobbly handiwork, when I could get something that works, free shipping, for $3?
My time does actually translate to money, and the cost behind your suggestion is steeper than I think you realize.

>>9720261
Nayrt but: You don’t need a sewing machine for this, just a needle and thread, and 3/4” elastic is the most common kind there is. Your way is less effort, yeah, but you’re making the alternative out to be much harder in your head than it actually is.

>>9713703
Evil Live, I don't think they make bags anymore sadly

>>9720261
And for the workers in China/India, they only deserve $0.10 for their time.

>>9720339
don't worry, almost everyone who bought one seemed to have issues with it. The zippers had a tendency to break.

>>9720261
>trying to find dense enough elastic that's wide enough, buy a sewing machine, learn how to sew, and hope I dont ruin everything before I tear my hair out over two measly inches of wobbly handiwork
This really is quite easy to make. buying these from Ali and awkwardly cutting off straps with scissors is just as difficulty and time consuming. >Step one: buy elastic from any craft store ever. Have enough to make any strap you need
>Step two: tack it together with needle and thread, requiring like 10 stitches

>>9719549
In what world is 25 old?

>>9720381
Hollywood?

>>9720381
I was being sarcastic (mostly).

>>9713627
(right) Are the designs part of the eyelashes?
I need them

I want lolita lifestyle blogs to come back. Or at least blogs that aren't tumblr. Please?

>>9720307
Fair enough. I had these sitting unused for an eternity and finally had an idea of how to use them. I simultaneously thought I was a genius and the dumbest person ever for not thinking of it sooner.
To all other repliers, gomen

>>9719858
>Angelic Bretty
Every damn time

>>9720593
I’m working on it! I’m having a hard time capturing that nostalgic lifestyle vibe without feeling like I’m just being pretentious, though.

>>9720662
No worries. I’m all about reusing things I have on hand so I’m not at all judging that! I just didn’t want you feeling unnecessarily discouraged about sewing/handmaking things that are so ez!

>>9720593
I want people to actually read and interact with my blog...

>>9721202
What blog? I love blogs and feel like I’m following most of the ones currently active, but I’m happy to follow you too if I’m not!

I think using stuffed animals and dolls with your coord is coming back

>>9719880
>resurgence of punk
I sincerely hope you're right.

I hope next year we get more goth. Casual or OTT works, just more goth.

>>9727631
Like I give a shit about that when the other girl is wielding a blinged out knife as a fashion accessory, give me that please

>>9713469
I am primed and ready for the return and eventual overuse of the Uberfabric.

You thought classic lolitas looked like curtains before, but soon, the sweets and gothics will also fall into its comforting embrace. None shall be exempt; the uberfabric envelops all.

>>9729668
This shows really well how Moitie is the best brand

>>9729676
In this case I agree, their dress looks even nicer in other photos too.

>>9729708
...And then I saw this WW stock photo. I am no longer convinced about its shape.

>>9729711
I still think it's the best one with that fabric

>>9729735
Yeah, that's probably true. I bet this one is pretty nice in person, though.

>>9729735
>>9729743
This one too.

>>9729747
Imho this is the only one that looks good. The others are ugly, I can only imagine this pattern being used on furniture. And maybe a grandma.

I would like lifestyle lolita to rise from the ashes and more solid and simple pieces. Any colour, any cut, just basically something that work with easily if I'm feeling lazy.

I know this is unlikely but sometimes I wonder if there was ever going to be a shop that just sells lolita basics ie blouses, petticoats, bloomers.

>>9730093
There was (In the Starlight, back in the day) and it went bust.

>>9730113
What happened to ITS anyway? I recall them being gone when i came back from my long ass break from lolita

>>9729668
You say gobelin, I say, "Why not goblins?"
>Bonus points for goblin print on gobelin fabric

>>9730113
Their stuff was mediocre quality at best, though. I still have a skirt of theirs and I’m kind of embarrassed to wear it outside the house.

>>9730169
Is that an Arthur Rackham illustration, or just inspired by him? I don't even like painting prints, but if a brand ever released a dress with a Goblins' Market print, I would buy it the second it dropped. Even if it was on gobelin, haha

>>9729668
>You thought classic lolitas looked like curtains before, but soon, the sweets and gothics will also fall into its comforting embrace. None shall be exempt; the uberfabric envelops all.

This is something I can get behind. Would like some floral on dark backgrounds though

>>9729668
Oh shit, I was the one who's been making all this. Didn't think it would catch on, so I'm pleasantly surprised.

>tfw no gf

>>9730955
same, I have quite a few things from them and despite liking it back in uh.. 2003? or whatever because it was still slightly precious and available to me, the fabric is that shitty cotton/poly shit from joann's and the lace is disgusting and crunchy and itchy.

>>9730093
Same here, I wish there was a shop with solid color cotton pieces. I'm trying to make some stuff myself, but I'm pretty sure these first couple dresses are just going to be house dresses since I'm not very skilled at sewing clothing. I want old school sensibilities in more modern cuts.
>Bring back solid Burberry cotton 2k18

>>9731361
>>9730093
Moon Afternoon, And Romeo, Rosa Bianca, Riddle Sheep, Excentrique, Funny Fairy, Maxicimam, Marble, Fairy Wish, Miho Matsuda, Physical Drop, Victorian Maiden, Seraphim, Sincerely... Some of these brands can only release new things like once a year though.

>>9729668
I have four gobelin pieces and no regrets, I seriously want to make this a thing.

>>9718200
>>9718973
DESU it's probably better to just buy silicone elastic and sew that into the top of your OTKs, every fabric store will have it for cheap and it wont put your leg in a vice grip like those elastics seem to be doing.

>>9730118
They returned in 2011 but they didn't go with the times.
https://www.etsy.com/people/IntheStarlightEGL

>>9730093
Why not just buy used and old school pieces?

>>9733573
This
You can buy basics and simple pieces secondhand, for very reasonable prices, to make up the bulk of a daily wardrobe. I just wish that brands would release wearable pieces more often instead of 400USD+ dresses with OTT detailing.

>>9727631

I don't know, I think the current trend is towards normiefication, especially for the older styles like gyaru and lolita where the girls in it are growing older. I can see sales of plush bags, but then they've always been a thing in lolita. I just don't really see it getting any bigger than the small-ish niche it's always been in.

>>9734704
The number of plush bags brands have put out late-ish this year is pretty high compared to in the past.

>>9733573
because theres only so many to buy. have you tried to look for long drawers on second hand that havent been damaged? they get bought up the the rest of the masses of old schoolers. we need a brand who recognizes how popular this throwback has become because they will surely make good money if they just release simple goods fitting to the era!

This thread makes me realise how basic I am.

>>9734717

I don't really think they're any higher than normal. Baby has always pushed Usakumya, AP puts out a ton of specialty bags, and if the theme works out better with plush bags then they put out a plush bag (so for eg, Bear Collection and British Bear logically makes sense as plushes, so plush it is. Bat bag could have been a soft, fluffy plushie too, but it works better as leather, so leather it is instead). It's not like they're incredibly unpopular, it's more like they've always been a bit of a niche within a niche. Just like how they've always been, girls have always carried them, and girls will continue to. I just don't see it becoming a must-have fad anytime soon the way peignoirs and crowns did.

Maybe I'll believe it when Moitie does a plush Snoopy x Mana special collab.

>>9734869
>we need a brand who recognizes how popular this throwback has become because they will surely make good money if they just release simple goods fitting to the era!
Meta has long bloomers up for sale right now.

>>9734869
There are several brands that release long bloomers regularly

>>9734691
Brands do release ~wearable~ pieces >>9731620

>>9734902
>>9735020
bloomers was just an example of the many main pieces and basics that are sought after rn that arent being released. when was the last time ap released anything actually versatile